Gay Conversion Therapy

>>136547557
Matt Moore is an “ex-gay” blogger for the Christian Post who has written extensively about homosexuality and his alleged journey out of the so-called “gay lifestyle.”

“Although I have same sex thoughts on a daily basis, I do not, in any way, feel compelled to ever return to a lifestyle of homosexuality,” Moore claimed in one blog post. “My stomach actually turns at the site [sic] of homosexual ‘relations,’” he wrote in another.

But this week blogger and activist Zinnia Jones was tipped off about a Grindr profile in Louisiana that appeared to belong to Moore. In case you’re not aware, Grindr is an incredibly popular location-based social networking app for smartphones, created exclusively for gay and bisexual men.

Jones noted that the personal information contained in the Grindr profile (name, age, year of birth, recent move to New Orleans) matched Moore’s profiles on Facebook and Twitter. She contacted him for comment, and the self-proclaimed “ex-gay” admitted that the profile was indeed his:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-becker/matt-moore-ex-gay-grindr_b_2624785.html

>>136547731
What if we archive that
https://archive.is/daH76

>>136547731
http://www.watermarkonline.com/2010/05/03/ex-gay-activist-vacations-with-male-prostitute-update-photos-of-both/

The expert witness hired to defend Florida’s gay adoption ban was caught at the Miami airport returning from a vacation with a “rent boy.”

Florida attorney general Bill McCollum paid anti-gay activist and Baptist minister George Alan Rikers and his colleague $87,000 – derived from taxpayer money – to testify that gay people are mentally unstable and unfit to adopt children.

According to the Miami New Times, on April 13, the top anti-gay Christian activist and the male prostitute were spotted at the airport, returning from a 10-day European vacation. When contacted by the New Times, Rekers claimed that he didn’t find out his escort was a prostitute until midway through their trip and that he hired the “rent boy” to help lift luggage because Rekers was weak from surgery. However, Rekers would not deny that he met his escort on RentBoy.com, which touts itself as “the world’s largest gay escort and massage site” and features images of nude men and gay sex acts. When the New Times reached the escort, he confirmed that they met through the site.

Reker was paid to testify in favor of Florida’s gay adoption ban – the only one in the country – in an effort to reverse the ruling of a Miami judge who ruled that the ban was unconstitutional.

>>136547557
Wives of ex-gays speak out:

https://youtu.be/Bm9hLVjpZno

What game do gays play in muslim countries?
Gravity Rush.

I don't think there is a cure for it but I do know damn well that homosexual molestation is a guarantee for turning someone gay.

Whenever that question comes up they always pull wishy washy bullshit about "Maybe the predator just targets people they know are gay" like gaydar is a real thing, when in fact it is that a predator takes advantage of a kid during pre-pubescence/puberty and their first association of sexual pleasure is with another man. So naturally that is how they end up defining their sexuality. Not because they were 'born' gay but because they were made gay by another male predator.

Doesn't mean everyone that is gay was molested or that you can't be born gay because many or most are born gay. But you sure as shit can be made gay by sexual predators.

>>136547557
Conversion is possible for the committed -- and you don't even have to cut your dick off as you do with state-approved (and military paid-for) (sometimes) gender conversions.

But seriously, how can states outlaw psychologically-based therapy related to unwanted gay impulses, while endorsing dubious surgical solutions to gender dysphoria?

It's the equivalent of saying, lobotomies are okay, but talk therapy? Nope, that's **outlawed** -- **illegal**.

>>136547557
In 2000, Wade Richards appeared as a media spokesperson for a group called the Saviors Alliance for Lifting the Truth and gave his testimony of “change” at a major press conference sponsored by right-wing zealot Peter LaBarbera, who now works at Americans For Truth. But a year later, Richards rebuked the “ex-gay” ministries when he came out in an interview with the Advocate magazine.

* In the early 1970′ Gary Cooper and Michael Bussee were counselors at an “ex-gay” ministry in Anaheim, Calif. In 1976, they organized the first national conference of “ex-gay” ministries. At this conference, Exodus International was formed and it is now the world’ largest “ex-gay” organization. While traveling on behalf of Exodus, the two men acknowledged that they had not changed and were in love with each other. They soon divorced their wives, moved in together and held a commitment ceremony. In 2006, Bussee apologized at an Ex-Gay Survivors Conference for his key role in starting Exodus International.

* In 1973, John Evans co-founded Love In Action, the first contemporary “ex-gay” ministry on the outskirts of San Francisco. However, after Evans’ best friend Jack McIntyre committed suicide in despair over not being able to “change”, Evans left the program. Today, he works to help victims of these organizations find self-acceptance.

* In 1979, Seventh Day Adventist minister Colin Cook founded Homosexuals Anonymous (HA). Appearing twice on the Phil Donahue show, he became the face of the ex-gay movement. But Cook’ career collapsed in 1986 after it was discovered he was giving nude massages to clients. Cook moved to Colorado and made a comeback in 1992 by helping Colorado for Family Values and Focus on the Family promote anti-gay campaigns. In 1995, Cook’ efforts once again unraveled after several of his clients accused him of engaging in phone sex, inappropriate hugs and other unethical behavior.

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>>136547879
yes, i realize that most if not all high-profile cases of GCT have resulted in similar outcomes. the history of medicine is wrought with trial and error.

In theory I see no reason why GCT cannot work. I'm sure it's much more complicated than prayer and shock-therapy but is it really impossible?

>>136547557
there is probably a cure for homosexuality. but we'll never hear about it. even if someone came up with one that was proven to work, the controversy would get it outlawed.
theres no research into it and the (((psychologist community))) would never finance research into it.

>>136548056
this, if someone really wants to convert sexual orientation, why shouldn't they be allowed to seek help? it makes 0 sense

>>136548297

We identified 47 peer-reviewed studies that that met our criteria for adding to knowledge about whether conversion therapy (CT) can alter sexual orientation without causing harm. Thirteen of those studies included primary research. Of those, 12 concluded that CT is ineffective and/or harmful, finding links to depression, suicidality, anxiety, social isolation and decreased capacity for intimacy. Only one study concluded that sexual orientation change efforts could succeed—although only in a minority of its participants, and the study has several limitations: its entire sample self-identified as religious and it is based on self-reports, which can be biased and unreliable. The remaining 34 studies do not make an empirical determination about whether CT can alter sexual orientation but may offer useful observations to help guide practitioners who treat LGB patients.

http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-whether-conversion-therapy-can-alter-sexual-orientation-without-causing-harm/

It is possible perhaps using gene editing but that is really far off.

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>You will never cure your gayness

rrrreee

>>136548297
thats probably why they re high profile. so the gays can say it doesnt work and the tabloids can spread drama.

>>136548657
I'm willing to bet some of the high profile patients who relapsed were paid handsomely. might do a little research on this.

>>136548861
no they dont need to pay them. all you need to do is look for a few that did and talk about it a lot and say that it doesnt work.
imagine if you looked at a thousand heroin addicts in recovery. some of them will relapse. then you take the ones that relapsed and write articles about them.

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>>136548447
theres also a problem with religion being very prominant in conversion therapy. too much spiritual stuff. its not good science.

>>136549342
I don't think being gay would correlate with epigenetic tags if it were that easily to alter with social policy:

http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530

>>136547759
You know, usually I find you irritating as fuck, but if it's The Huffington Post I have no qualms.

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>>136547557
I've said this a million times with regards to trannies. We should be helping them, not hating them and certainly not enabling them.

With trannies people are all about trying to give into their delusion instead of the far kinder alternative of helping them to accept the body they do have. Like imagine a 12 year old guy thinks he is a woman trapped in a mans body, instead of the hormones and dick chop, through the aid of therapists, physiatrists etc we helped them to ACCEPT the body they do have, accept who they are.

Maybe you could do this for gay people, I have no idea. But as far as trannies go I'm not disgusted by them, they have an illness that society tries to (((cure))) by making it worse, instead of offering help to make them better...

>t. Lost my brother to the hormonal jew, later killed himself. Never once did they consider helping him accept the masculine body and mind he had.

>>136548056
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Years ago we tried to "cure it" but the methods were just fucking autism (electoro-shock and all that shit). The thing is, thats how we used to treat every form of mental illness. Medicine and our understanding of the brain has come a long way since and it never ceases to shit me that we don't try "curing it" through actually non-retarded methods. With the sky high suicde rate in the LGBT community the response is to still enable the lifestyle, never to intervene.

Unpopular opinion on /pol/ but the LBGT community are the victims, the (((allies))) make them worse.

>no seriously i mean an actual treatment to alter someone's sexual orientation
You could probably use chemicals to forcibly reduce sex drive to convert someone to an asexual, and if human pheromone research actually discovers actual human sex pheromones (no human pheromones are currently known to exist, most promising research has to do with a possible pheromone released lactating women which causes babies to suckle, and even proving the existence of that wouldn't prove sex pheromones exist so we're at best a few years from this even being determined to be possible) you might be able to forcibly attract someone outside of their orientation, but that wouldn't be a true change in orientation, since they'd still be attracted to the pheromone of a particular sex. However, short of massive advancements in neuroscience, you couldn't actually change someone's orientation.

Another thing you could do is classical Pavlovian conditioning to try and link pleasure with particular sexual characteristics and displeasure with others. That said this sort of procedure would be immoral as fuck and again, wouldn't actually cause a change in orientation. I mean people can be threatened or rewarded to perform acts against orientation, such as actors of one orientation acting as another on screen for a paycheck or anyone that has ever been raped against their orientation and limited their resistance to avoid further physical harm, that doesn't change their orientation. This would however let you train up a particular fetish if you were so inclined in a less horrifying application of this technique.

>>136550857
>Medicine and our understanding of the brain has come a long way since and it never ceases to shit me that we don't try "curing it" through actually non-retarded methods.
It is precisely BECAUSE medicine and our understanding of the brain has come a long way since that we no longer try to cure it.

One of the fundamental aspects of medicinal psychiatry, neurology, and psychology that has developed over the last few decades is the concept that human minds should be left in as natural a state as possible that doesn't involve disruption to daily life. For example, lobotomies actually do cure some terrible shit. We don't god damn do them any more because they also completely fucking depersonalize the subject, effectively turning them into a fleshy robot. It's better to manage the disease as best as possible rather than use a cure that forcibly alters the personality of the subject in an unwanted manner.

On the other hand we also don't try to cure it because WE KNOW WE FUCKING CAN'T AT THE MOMENT. Our understanding has come a long ass way, but we still understand the brain a fuckton less than just about anything else in the human body. We've progressed from knowing nothing to knowing that we know nothing.

Buddy of mine from M.I.T. told me he thinks sexuality can switch during a peak L.S.D. trip, and was disappointed with me when I disagreed, like he was just realizing that he actually doesn't like me. Weird.

>>136551719
>It is precisely BECAUSE medicine and our understanding of the brain has come a long way since that we no longer try to cure it.

I can respect that to a point. I agree we shouldn't be using methods that we know don't work or even methods that we think might work but there is a chance they won't. The scientific method and so forth, proof is mandatory. But thats not to say we should be looking for options that do work, and we aren't doing that.

Consider trannies, hormone replacement and reassignment surgery. Is that absolutely the best we can do? A 40% suicide rate suggests we can do better. I'm not saying feeding them drugs that could have side effects we don't know, or freakish medical experiements on the brain, I'm saying we need to realize we can do better. We need to get to the point with treating it that we can look back 50 years later and see "wow our old methods were really fucking stupid, Im glad we learned something". But first we need to drop the notion we have hit the end of the road, we tried treating it this way and the results show it doesn't work, lets find a better way.

>>136552720
>But thats not to say we should be looking for options that do work, and we aren't doing that.
You need 3 things for that.

1. Experiments that you know or have strong reason to believe won't cause lasting harm even if they fail
2. Willing adult test subjects, lots of them
3. Funding

Nobody has 1 to my knowledge. 2 is more or less going the way of the dodo with social acceptance on the rise. 3 has a shitton of problems ranging from funding for medical research in general being incredibly hard to procure especially for anything that isn't a drug you can patent to the AMA and APA likely not going to sign off on jack fucking shit to be marketed as a medical procedure for something they don't consider a disease in the first place.

>Consider trannies, hormone replacement and reassignment surgery. Is that absolutely the best we can do? A 40% (lifetime) suicide (attempt) rate (for transsexuals overall without regard for treatments which are still relatively new) suggests we can do better.
I refer you back to the lobotomy example. There are transgenders and transsexuals that do not experience suicidal tendencies which is to say that the two are not intrinsically linked. If you can have one without the other, you can treat one without affecting the other. Medicine would rather just treat the depression or the body dysphoria than directly alter the personality of the subject to conform to a certain thought pattern even if doing so would also make the depression and dysphoria go away. In fact, lobotomies would probably massively reduce suicide rates in transsexuals.

You also have to think about exactly what we can do better with. People being depressed doesn't inherently mean something is wrong with them. It can also be environmental.

>we need to realize we can do better.
Managing suicide and depression risk for trans-gendered individuals is an actual matter of ongoing research.

By the way, transgender and homosexual isn't the same thing.

Yea it's changeable. Anyone who says you're born with it is naive or lying. These are usually the people who also tell you that sexuality is fluid. Why they don't see the glaring circular logic is beyond me, but the fact is your environment makes up a majority of the problem. I used to frequent a very gay/trans online community for years. After I left it and stopped hanging around people who enabled and encouraged that behaviour, it started going away. And now that I'm on /pol/ most of the time I can't imagine being in that sort of relationship ever again.

>>136554570
1. Why did you go to those communities in the first place?
2. Who encouraged you to give up that behavior? I mean I'm assuming you went to those communities due to your own urges in the first place. Even if you left them you ought to have retained the urges you had in the first place without some other impetus for change.
3. Can you still get hard to cock? Cause if so you didn't change your orientation, just your orientation identity, which is the thing science actually considers fluid (orientation itself isn't considered fluid).

>>136547557
It is. You will need 1 year and good therapist.
Most of gays are mind-damaged. Mind tends to remake conditions of mental trauma until it solved eficiently.
Usualy it is self-esteem problem caused by sexual assault of close relative or general toxic atmosphere of "you-got-nothing-to-love-for" "you must be hero of some kind. Only if you serve people will love you"

Gayness is condition of maximal submission, which because of nature of our brain leads to passive or inadequate agressive mindset(jailrape criminals of any sort)