What made you believe in God?

God did, I think

I want to get into heaven

Every good deed I have ever done was not because I'm a good person, I'm just investing in my future, I've never done a good thing because I wanted to actually help anyone, I'm just selfish, obviously I can totally keep that from God, he won't ever know what my true intentions were lmao :')

>>136488763
Nothing made me believe in God, I choose to believe in God because it allows me to acknowledge things that my human brain can't directly perceive.

I look at how the earth works, how the plants look, how food tastes, how animals behave, how the human body to us looks so normal and with the increasing proof that we're alone on this "thing" (whatever you want to call it), I just came to the conclusion that I hope there's something better than what's on this shithole planet.

>>136488763
Being raised in a Southern Baptist family can be literal hell.

>Don't want to go to church on sunday, or Sunday night, or Wednesday night? Go to your room and get ready for your father's belt.

>Those movies are evil anon you are not allowed to watch them

>You can't have friends they might be faggots and try and rape you

>You are not allowed to bring your slutty girlfriends over

>Anon I found your porn and have had a talk with the pastor's wife. She would like to see you.

>You want to talk back? Belt to the face.

>Your therapist says you need help and so we are going to send you to a camp for special people just like you.

I could go on and on.

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>>136488880
>>136488998
>>136489001
>>136489360

Seems like the pattern here is choosing to believe, because its comforting.

Is it possible at all to reach the conclusion that God exists through logic?

god did.

but first i ate some super rare strain of pscyhedelic mushrooms and drank a tropicana so even if i told anyone, nobody would believe me.

>>136491405
tell

>>136490201
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Having this debate is a waste of time. Either God exists or He doesn't. Search your feelings and decide for yourself. One way or another you'll find out when you die. How sad it will be for you if you choose unwisely. Regardless of that which you choose to believe, live a moral and just life. Don't be a degenerate.

>>136492091
How pissed will you when you realize that mudslides were right and now you'll be going to hell while they fucked virgins all eternity?

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difficulties in life

>>136492301

Won't we all? Good thing they aren't right. It's not a religion of peace.

>>136488998
That's not how heaven works. You don't buy your way in with good deeds.

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>>136488763
A French monastery by the sea the beauty helped me become a desit from there I converted to Catholicism for cultural reasons (I am French) Not an active Religiosity but Jordan B Peterson Bible lectures are some of the most deep shit I listen too.

>>136488763
Lots of things, I don't know if I can pinpoint it to one specific thing.

The universe and all that is in it is just so extremely complex. Even the simplest living organism is not simple at all.

I've had occurrences in my life that seem to be more than just coincidental.

The Bible has stood the test of time and been passed on for thousands of years, with all sorts of manuscripts to confirm this.

Christ's apostles went all across the world spreading the Gospel, telling the world what they had seen, even in the face of death. In the first century, the apostle Thomas made it to India and started a community of Christians that survives to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians

>>136493260
so do you actually believe in the existence of God?

>>136488763
Getting quads on a quality post.

>>136490201
If anything matters then everything matters.
Read the Christian apologetics and they'll hit you with some pretty serious logic. Your options boil down to belief in god or belief in nothing which is a belief that cannot be said to be important because if true then your own belief, all thought, is meaningless.
If all thought is meaningless there is no good or bad.
Experience tells me that there is a good and bad. The fact that I poses the ability to think is divine in and of itself. Since thought is not meaningless there must be some intrinsic value to thought, or logos, itself. Logos meaning the logic, rationality, the ability to reason and think that we humans alone possess. The divine soul.
And the bible opens with the following phrase which has been misinterpreted, "in the beginning there was the word and the word was with God and the word was God." So really it said in the beginning there was the logos, and the logos was with God and the logos was God.
"Word" here is about as close to a word for logos as we have. But it doesn't quite do it justice. It's one of those passages most people know, few think about, and even less understand.

>>136488763
>What made you believe in God?

i still dont believe in god just got out of my retarded fedora faze and moved on to agnosticism.

Listen, I know that gods exist. Not just your god, but plenty of other gods.

But I CHOOSE to not worship any of them, because I want man to become the next god of this universe.

Get on my level you godslave plebs.

>>136488763
The fact that I dont want to part from my wife forever.

>>136494037
>And the bible opens with the following phrase

That's from the Gospel of John, but the point you're making about it being overlooked is pretty key.

Another verse I really like.

John 8:58 (KJV)
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

>>136494193
You'll be praying to Allah soon

>>136493428
Sure why not?

>>136494886
ok, I was wondering because you described yourself as a cultural catholic. I've seen people describe themselves as "cultural Christians" when they don't even believe in God, much less Christ.

>>136488763
>What made you believe in God?
The limits of logic did.

>>136495065
Understandable, how I do have grievances with the church and the pope hence the "cultural" thing. But my homeland needs a better and stronger church to help against the rising of Islam

>>136496135
well I don't trust the Pope either. I'm a Christian, not a Catholic.

>>136488763
I used to, but now idk. Either God hates me, he doesn't exist or i'm a work of satan.

>>136488763
Hope in there being something after death and just how cucked atheist are.

>>136493263
>Even the simplest living organism is not simple at all.

It is when you are not a brainlet

>>136498863
>it is when you are not a brainlet

t. brainlet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(biology)

>Cells consist of cytoplasm enclosed within a membrane, which contains many biomolecules such as proteins and nucleic acids
>There are several types of organelles in a cell. Some (such as the nucleus and golgi apparatus) are typically solitary, while others (such as mitochondria, chloroplasts, peroxisomes and lysosomes) can be numerous (hundreds to thousands).
>hundreds to thousands

>>136494037
Interesting, makes me think about Origins of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.

What apologetic books would you suggest?

/pol/ and degeneracy ironically.
It's when you realize why Catholicism has all these "bigoted" and "harsh" rules that you can truly appreciate them for what they are.

>>136489360

I'll drink to that man, cheers

>>136488880
This pretty much

>>136488763
https://www.amazon.com/Out-Body-Experiences-Have-Expect/dp/1571746994/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501962125&sr=8-1&keywords=out+of+body+experiences+robert+peterson

I call him The Architect. He doesn't really give a shit, so why call him God.

He put things in motion and then went on to his next experiment. Nothing matters bro.

>>136500631
>He doesn't really give a shit,

wrong. Check out the Bible sometime.

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>>136500631
>The Architect

>>136488763
Auschwitz

>>136488763
Indoctrination from a very young age.
Then I grew up and stopped believing in such nonsense.

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>>136488763
>I stubbed my toe against a wall
>Promised God if he made my suffering end I'd become more faithful
>Return to step one and repeat
>jk

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>>136500631
>>136500838

God, allah or any other name..you, me, brahman... Its all one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Architect_of_the_Universe

Now imagine me standing in lodge with my head bowed in prayer between Brother Mohammed Bokhary and Brother Arjun Melwani. To neither of them is the Great Architect of the Universe perceived as the Holy Trinity. To Brother Bokhary He has been revealed as Allah; to Brother Melwani He is probably perceived as Vishnu. Since I believe that there is only one God, I am confronted with three possibilities:

They are praying to the devil whilst I am praying to God;
They are praying to nothing, as their Gods do not exist;
They are praying to the same God as I, yet their understanding of His nature is partly incomplete as indeed is mine — (1 Cor 13:12)

>>136502026
t.freemason

and who is even mohammed bokhary? are you referring to bukhary the hadith collector? the hadith are a fabrication, how unfortunate that most muslims follow them

>>136500754
honestly, why would he take the bible serious? it doesn't even get the creation right
>inb4 le metaphor

>>136490201
"God" is undefined. (((It))) exists...

A priest was on here yesterday and gave a proof of God's existence. Here's the link: >>136396839

>>136488763
I'm happier and more inclined to be a better person when I believe in God.

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>>136500754

Yes, read your Bible and plz tell me who killed more people, "God" or Satan?

So if you actually believe the bible etc, seems kinda ridiculous to pray / worship such a jealous murderer, doesn't it?

There's just too many [good] connotations with word "God" that it cannot be used objectively.

More fitting to call him "The Architect".

pic related

>>136502505
God didn't get the story of God creating the universe right.

kek

>>136503682
>implying that your code of morality is the correct one

>>136503991
Tell me more about how plants were created before the sun, or birds before land animals

>>136489975
Calling bullshit.

>>136488763
My hatered for people and my hope that he will send them all to hell

>>136503682
>implying all killing is bad
>implying you can criticize God on morality when God is who invented morality

shiggy diggy doo

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>>136489975
Sounds about right, 'murrican protestantism is degeneracy

>>136489975
>WAHH THEY TOLD ME PORN IS BAD DIS IS OPPRESSION
>WAHH I HAVE TO GET UP EARLY ON SUNDAYS
>WHY WONT YOU LET ME SODOMIZE MY GIRLFRIEND THIS IS BIGOTRY

you sound P A T H E T I C

>>136488763
we spoke

>>136488763
I'd say purposeful creator, not god. The flat earth is an obvious proof.

>>136508170
> purposeful creator, not god.

that's just semantics though.

>>136488763
the devil.

>>136488763
I became a Christian theist due to the absurdity of the contrary.

>>136508858
and why exactly a christian one? why is anything outside of christianity absurd?

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>>136488763

my mom and dad
when i became my own individual i stoped believing

>>136488763
Life's always been a little hard for me. Religion has given me a purpose in life and its a good way to feel less lonely. Faith is a powerful thing it's given me things I do not deserve and because of that I owe God my allegiance as both my creator and my provider.

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>>136499724
>It's when you realize why Catholicism has all these "bigoted" and "harsh" rules that you can truly appreciate them for what they are.

Bigoted rules like what, swell your ranks with brown and black people and support refugees?

>>136499724
come on, it doesn't even allow the use of contraception, that goes a bit too far doesn't it?

I don't believe in God.

None of those old stories from the Middle East are true. Not Judaism, not Christianity, not Islam.

There could be a higher power, but there is no fucking gay ass God who appeared in the Middle East to a bunch of hook-nosed kikes and Arabs.

>>136509878
Contraception is wrong though. It only exists so that people can fuck without natural consequence, and perpetuates promiscuity

>>136509130
Considering your flag, can I address Islam alone for the sake of expedience?

>>136510083
Why not have your cake and eat it too? Just outlaw adultery. Democratically of course. Or would you really call intercourse between a two married people promiscuity?

> All these memelords ITT
A more serious answer would be the apologetics of someone like Alvin Plantinga, or Peter Kreeft, or any of the neo-scholastic Thomists.
>>136509878
see >>136510083
I didn't come to understand this for a long time.

>>136510220
Sure go ahead, but I don't see how Islam being wrong validates the truthfulness of christianity.

>>136510083
coming from a church that fucks little kids. where mother and child homes were set up by the church and then the babies being killed and buried without most of it going on record.
>ya sure listen to the fucked up church about where to stick your dick and what to put on it

>>136488763
The historicity of the New Testament and how it's the most reliable historical account of the time period. Even more so than the contemporary historians. Also how they all speak of a man being resurrected where people went out and told this occurrence in the threat of being killed. And despite this, the religion flourished.

It flourished because it states the self-evident truth that we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We feel this shame of sin almost every day. But God while being rich in mercy died for us that we may be saved. That whoever believes in him, Jesus, will have everlasting life.

In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

>>136510441
>implying I'm Catholic

I answer to God, not some queer in a funny hat.

>>136488763
Summa Theologica.

>>136510647
There have been eye reports of multiple people witnessing things like aliens and UFOs, what makes this one different?

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>>136510083
Juan, married people use contraception as well you know.

>>136510908
never said anything against (you) its the church i despise too.. for a group that speaks in symbology they really make it look like they worship the snake fuck them they all deserve to hang

>>136488763
I believe in God but he abandoned us long ago. And I can not blame him for it.

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>>136492888
this. checked for the truth

>>136488763
Nothing, because i don't.

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>>136488763
Psychedelic drugs.

>>136509687
Orthodoxy is the true way

>>136510998
That Jesus performed miracles where they indicated the specific city and sometimes specific people so that people could later verify this and come to belief. Also that he appeared to all of his disciples (which is actually more than 12). In 1st Corinthians 15:6, Paul states that Jesus appeared to over 500 people after his resurrection which was passed down to Paul by the early church. The first 100 years of the church would have people that either saw the resurrected Jesus, had family that did, or trusted the accounts of people who said they did.

Not to say there may not actually be UFOs because it certainly could be true but this is a much different phenomenon. UFOs will only appear to a few people at separate occurrences making the reliability of these accounts not substantial compared to the citing of the resurrected Jesus. Plus, UFO spotters are more likely to be charlatan because they don't risk life. However, the early church was persecuted for their beliefs. Christianity was first outlawed by the Roman Empire and Jews turned Christians away from the synagogues. Christians were fed to Lions and crucified. All 12 apostles were martyred for their beliefs (except St. John). You don't see UFO believes being so stuck to their beliefs that they are willing and are killed for it.

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Question for godfriends, how do you get around the problem of evil, specifically natural evils?

I can accept that moral evil (murder, hate, etc) can be explained by moral agents having free will, but free will doesn't explain natural evils like the fact that we can get cancer and die painfully at a young age.

I believe that if god is all powerful all knowing and all good then he could have done a better job making this world a place with less arbitrary suffering from things like disease and natural disasters.

If I could get around this question then I'd have an easier time believing in god, but all the answers I've gotten have either been in the vein of "He works in mysterious ways" implying that there's a great plan that's beyond our capacity to understand or "It's the best possible world" implying that a world where people didn't get cancer would somehow be worse than the current one.

Just don't tell me to pray for answers because that's not answering my question.

>>136511636
i dont think he did. i think (((they))) are hiding him from us
<the kingdom of heaven is within you
its not somewhere you go when you die
i also remember a quote about the devil/satan/frank call him what you want saying "i will infect the kingdom of heaven" but cant seem to find it now
then theres the old testament and the new testament
>old testament: morning star = lucifer
>new testament: morning star = jesus

>>136511636
Maybe because he trusts us enough, it was time to go.

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>>136488763
Supposedly lethal does of psychedelics

>>136488763
because i'm afraid of people posting pictures of fedoras at me

>>136510647
learn basic english syntax before you try to present the new testament as the most reliable historical text of all time

>>136512929
>the fact that we can get cancer and die painfully at a young age.
Funny enough, cancer is often tied to environmental causes. Humans dying of human mistakes.

>he could have done a better job making this world a place with less arbitrary suffering from things like disease and natural disasters.

Why though? Why do you think God owes us anything?

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>>136488763
I was raised an atheist. Not a radical atheist, just an upbringing that was completely devoid of church, religion, spirituality.

One day at age of 26 I'm halfway around the world in some tropical jungle and the sky opens up dumps a rainstorm and I hopped into some little no-name restaurant (literally) where the staff is pair of old Asian women who don't speak a single word of English (and I don't speak a single word of whatever chink language of theirs) and they don't even have an actual menu, but they know I'm Mr. American Moneybags and get me the good stuff.

I sat there with a gigantic beer and plateful of authentic Chinese food watching the rainstorm and I knew, at that exact moment, that God was awesome. I had never sought God, I have never reasoned an argument for or against God. There was no consideration, drive, or desire. I had the fresh knowledge of all of modern science in my head- from Einstein's Relativity, QFT, to meteorology, biology, astronomy, and material science, and the conclusion wasn't that God *existed*. The conclusion was that God was *awesome*.

>>136510322
Absolutely - and that would be a larger undertaking, since different brands of religion may falter for different reasons.

In the case of Islam, to be succinct, it passes on coherent metaphysics, so the question is whether or not doctrine holds.

Islam
Confirms Torah/Bible as they existed during the time of Muhammad are divinely revealed word of God, same as the Quran. Sura 3:3-4, 5:47, 5:68

No one can change the words of god. Sura 18:27

Torah/Bible are to authenticate the Quran. Sura 10:94

Left with only to conclusions.
The Bible is the authoritative uncorrupted word of God, in which case (given doctrinal contrary claims, Christ's death/resurrection, versus no death Sura 4:157) Islam is false.

If The Bible is not the inspired authoritative word of God (corrupted), then Islam self defeats as the divinely revealed incorruptible word of God has been corrupted. Islam is false.

If the Quran stood on some other authority beside the incorruptible word of God it might be different, but that's about all it has going for it. Advocacy (prophecy) for Muhammad/Quran in Torah/Bible texts is tenuous, where prophecy of Christ was overwhelming.

I also might be more accommodating if there was significant reason to believe Biblical doctrine had somehow been corrupted AFTER Muhammad (although the same dilemma exists but that would muddy both players). Integrity of the gospels go back to first century, with apostolic ministries being dated in Jerusalem within 5 years of the Crucifixion - read: three days after the death of Jesus, but we can't really be more specific than 5 years. Anyone could have verified the empty tomb, which the Quran does not account for.

Sorry it took me a minute. Make no mistake: God is of ultimately importance. Whoever He is, there is nothing more valuable than seeking and understanding Him.

>>136504061
Nigger please. Southern Baptist and Pentecostals keep it real. Other denominations pale in comparison.

>>136512929
Great question anon. It seems you've done some research into this as well.

The best explanation I've heard is in a word: perseverance.

To go back, the Christian story is that this world is cursed by man's disobedience to God. This curse affects every living thing and is the reason for the natural evils. This is convolutibly done because Satan is the one that now has power over the Earth. Here it would seem God is not all-powerful but he can intercept and overcome the power of Satan when he chooses (the miracles of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus.)

However, him creating Satan with knowledge that he will desire to be like God and destroy humans, and also to let Satan have his wish by giving him dominion over the world would appear that God is not all-loving. However, I believe God uses Satan and the evils of this world to shape each and every one of us. It is through these trials that makes us each utterly unique. God loves us and loves this uniqueness of us. Now, these trials may only contribute slightly to our uniqueness. Another reason could be the utter joy that will be experienced when God will finally abolish Satan and his minions and bring everlasting peace to the Universe. If we didn't first experience hardships, disease, and death, the realization of true peace wouldn't really be all that great. I didn't do that last point that great of a justice though. CS Lewis' book Mere Christianity does a great job explaining this.

>>136513736
You want to be my editor?

>>136514752
It simply confirms them as being originally revealed by God, but the Quran also mentions that people have fabricated texts against God which altered the original scripture.

>>136515061
no, i just think you should learn how to write in your own language before going on unprovoked multi-paragraph rants about your supreme knowledge of history

God is an imagined friend Jews created to control the goys and enslave their societies.

>>136515526
Sorry bruh I get a little tarded when I get excited about a subject. I've just read a couple of books on the historical aspect of the bible. I'm not an expert by any means.

Was their anything in the content that you disagree on though?

>>136515513
If they were altered, and they were God's Word, it would have corrupted God's incorruptible word - Islam is false.

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>>136488763
Fuck off nigger lover

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>>136489975
> the pastors wife wants to talk to you
> about your porn collection

S so what did you do once there?

>>136506816
>WAHH WHY DO PEOPLE WANT FREEDOM

You sound pathetic, kill yourself, Christcuck.

>>136488763
>What made you believe in God?
My stupid low IQ primitive brain did

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>>136488763
I have a bachelors in biochem and molecular biology. On an atomic level cells basically work as a bunch of billard balls bouncing around just happening to go to the right place at all times to keep cells alive. Going from a bunch of things moving at random in space to actual consciousness is something I can't do. It's absurd.

It's like a child's ball pit at chucky cheese creating a consciousness seemingly outside of itself and looking back at itself

Human consciousness is the divine spark, I absolutely cannot reconcile it with any natural process

>>136517196
(((freedom)))

good goy. Wow, look how well freedom works! Rampant STDs! Sodomite parades in the streets! Children being drugged into trannies by their sodomite adoptive "parents"!

>>136512929
>Question for godfriends, how do you get around the problem of evil, specifically natural evils?
Personally? Because without God (metaphysical sense) the notion of evil is nonsense.

But that's no satisfying is it?

If satisfaction is your metric, you're left with two options.

1. There is no god, and all of the pain, suffering, and (apparent) evil, is utterly pointless, purposeless, and devoid of any moral dynamic. It is what it is, and that's just all there is.

2. There is a god, and while there is yet pain, suffering and (actual) evil, it is allowed toward some direction/some purpose, and is infused with moral quality.

The metaphysical case however only goes so far. It's one thing to humbly concede that I just don't know... it is entirely another to insist that someone just "have faith".

Faith in what, right?

I said earlier I am a theist because of the absurdity of the contrary.
Intuition doesn't coincide with our notion of natural evil. Everything suggests things "ought" be some other way, but we're in a position that leaves us unable to even really speculate on what that what "ought" to be. Still, we see suffering and we say with conviction "that is evil".

I said earlier I am a Christian theist because of the absurdity of the contrary.
Given that evil is, and given that we're enduring through it all. IF Christ is who He claims to be then what was God doing being beaten, scourged, rejected by His people, and ultimately nailed to a cross?

Aside from one of the most well documented/attested doctrinal central and remarkable miracle claims in history, you're given the suffering servant; God himself who condescended to enter creation, as you, as me. Suffer along side us, both in physical pain, and lose of rejection as even his disciples abandoned Him at trial.

I don't know what His reasons are, but I say with certitude, His reasons are good, as He is good. You won't get that anywhere else, but you will still have suffering no matter where you turn.

>>136517650
I love watching the mental gymnastics Christcucks make to rationalize their hate for freedom while still claiming to be pro freedom. Cracks me up every time.

>>136517679
> Because without God (metaphysical sense) the notion of evil is nonsense.

BINGO

It didn't come naturally. I chose to try believing so I could get a good feel of what a real community is like. Now I just sort of go with it. Never looked back though, it was one of the best decisions I ever made.

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Seeing what the lack of God does too man and society.

>>136518064
yeah it's really eye-opening. I've been arguing with some atheists posting under rainbow flags unironically. They're dead men walking.

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Gazing upon the evil of the world, and realizing that Evil has always been more powerful than the forces of Good is a neat way to open ones eyes to how fucked this planet truly is.

>>136507100
Stephen is that you?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NrJCDhf5N7k

>>136516265
i don't believe you've ever read a couple books on anything. your lazy writing is indicative of your lazy personality. more than likely you watched a lee strobel presentation on youtube and now you think you know better than people whom have dedicated their entire lives to studying history.

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>>136520582
why do christian apologists like william lane craig and j.p. holding question hitler's devotion to christianity then? try to keep your response under 1,000,000 characters

>>136488763

Australia will rule the world
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>>136492888
Impure thoughts and pure deeds is at least better than impure thoughts and deeds

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>>136488763
Once had a dream I was fighting a giant pumpkin-monster in a puddle. He stabbed me in the abdomen and just when he was about to finish me off God appeared and cut him in half.

When I woke I was sweating like hell and my bed was covered in yellow pumpkin blood.

>>136518064

there really are no morals without god...

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>>136521117
Because he didn't kill all of the Jews.

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The thing that made me believe in God is the exact same thing that made me certain that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam were 100% bullshit.

t. Deist

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Neoscholasticism. Arguments that detail God's relation to nature, such as Divine Conservation.

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>>136488763
norm said it well when he questioned why "god cant just choose to genocide thousands of people, why do atheists try and say god has to do certain things, that would be good. I'd say that requires more belief than just me thinking there's a god."