Communism General /polcg/

Best communist is a dead communist

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>>136466528
I see you piggy.

>>136466528
Best capitalist is a dead capitalist

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Marx for Beginners:
>https://ia800204.us.archive.org/1/items/MarxForBeginners-English/marx_for_beginners.pdf

Works of Marx & Engels:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/index.htm

The Accumulation of Capital by Rosa Luxemburg:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1913/accumulation-capital/index.htm

Quotations from Mao Tse Tung:
>https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch01.htm

The Conquest of Bread, Kropotkin:
>http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/conquest/ch1.html

The State and Revolution, Lenin:
>https://www.marxists.org/ebooks/lenin/state-and-revolution.pdf

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>>136466679
Words to live by comrade.


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(more newbie resources)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F385rnD1UNo [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>An_Introduction_to_Marxist_Economic_Theory_-_Mandel.pdf

>Capital_-_A_Critique_of_Political_Economy_-_Marx.pdf

>>136466465
I don't want to be an ass, but did you seriously just open up a new pro-communism thread on /pol, where the majority of anons are against communism? This thread will only get destroyed, like most communism threads.

Besides that, dialectical materialism has been refuted a lot of times already. I recommend you to read: Immanuel Kant. He actually knew his stuff and had a pretty stable and still one of the modern logical systems out there, until the many philosophing sophists that came afterwards and destroyed everything, including culture, duty, etc. With the rise of postmodernism and dialectical materialism in new shape, our world has been experiencing a degeneracy of an incredibly high rate.

>>136466889
>This thread will only get destroyed, like most communism threads.
Its getting better recently, more people are making points and having discussion rather than screeching autisticly ,though some still can't help do that

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>>136466889
>did you seriously open a thread about a political ideology in a board about politics?

>did you seriously just VIOLATE the safe space of nazis by posting something that doesn't fit their circle-jerk?!?! how dare you!

Go away, capitalist swine, and stop concern trolling. You're not wanted here either. *spit* Now go cry that your safe space was violated.

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>>136466991
>>136466465
Your opinions are dissent, /pol/ is a right wing dictatorship, go somewhere else if you want a left wing dictatorship.

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>>136467185
I have wet dreams about the war sometimes.

>>136467185
>/pol/ is a right wing dictatorship
lmao. some dictatorship when you can't stop communists posting

>>136467301
literally no one posts in your threads, without a sage at least

i hope you are a troll but you could channel your energy somewhere else

>>136467399
>literally no one posts in your threads, without a sage at least
these generals are always page 1 m8

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>>136467399

>>136467468
But it's always autistic spanish poster or the autistic finnish poster, most people have jobs here.

>>136467015
It's funny that you assume that I am pro-capitalist, while I am neither pro-capitalism nor pro-communism.

See, it's not the problem with communism or capitalism. The problem is 'ideology'. Some might be reasonable people, that are focused on pragmatism, while others are just focused on ideology, like fanatics (capitalism and/or communism), which only ends in death.

That's why communism and capitalism sucks both ass. A combination of both is actually a reasonable solution, similar like it's done

>>136467603
in germany.

>>136467603
>That's why communism and capitalism sucks both ass.
Social Democracy then?

>>136467572
Orly? There's no need to work for pay-dirt under the capitalist hegemony.

>>136467607
But that is definitely not the solution to 'corruption'. And it will always exist. No matter what ideology you implement in society.

>>136467603
>>136467677
Meant to quote this
>A combination of both is actually a reasonable solution

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Hey look, an example of Hitler stealing symbolism from someone great! Guess that's one reason the war ended up like it did. HEHEHEEHE.

>>136467677
social democracy is capitalism dumbass

>>136467684
You'll need to work harder under a communist dictatorship, and you won't have a choice where you work.

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>>136467929
I'll work when there's communism.

And no, wouldn't have to work harder.

Just not gonna work for pay-dirt under porkie, what do I look like, a sheep?

>>136467603
combination of both is impossible because they are mutually exclusive systems. communism is for worker ownership of the means of production, capitalism is for private ownership of the means of production

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>>136467855
>social democracy is capitalism
Socialist policies within a capitalist society, he was saying about a combination of both

>muh free healthcare

Dad went to a dentist during soviet times when he was a young man. They pulled 2 teeth out just because they "couldn't fix" them.

At least it was free, right?

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>>136468140
>>136468049
Wrong definition, see number 2

>>136468140
the definition provided is that for democratic socialism, not social democracy–also, welfare and healthcare, etc. are not necessarily socialist policies

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>>136468029
You'll certainly look like a sheep when you're sent to the killing fields and terminated like livestock for not working hard enough.

>>136468377
see
>>136468375
There is sometimes disagreement,some people call democratic socialism social democracy

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>>136468049
If that would be the case, then I wonder why it works so well in Germany. I don't want to go to the right-wing train here, but just knowing the fact that a lot of refugees choose Germany as their country of choice, is interesting and should be seen from a strategic point of view. Who profits from this?

In fact, Germany has a very good wealth rate, and is a very strong power in the European Union. So, it's no wonder that other countries try to destabilize Germany, by refusing to take any refugees and declining the distribution coefficient that was originally established in the European Parliament (if it would have worked, I guess nationalism would never have risen up, by the way). Why did Germany have to take more refugees than any other country? Because they, the other european countries, boycotted Germany.

From an empirical view, Germany handles this combination pretty well and so it's no wonder that other countries and powers want to see Germany dead.

>>136468510
Whatever. For the sake of argument we will talk about socialist policies within capitalism. The original post by the German was talking about some combination of socialism and capitalism

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>>136468456
>tfw nazi doesn't think he'd be exterminated

>>136468639
>he thinks I'm a jew

>>136468562
>Germany handles this combination pretty well
As do the nordic countries

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry :DD

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>>136468710
Looks like you don't know your history.

>>136468762
unironically this desu

fuck communism

>>136468762
Just wanted to post. Well done.

>>136468562
What I'm saying here is that Germany is undoubtedly a social democracy. When I think social democracy, I don't think combination of communism and capitalism–I think capitalism with adequate social programs instated for the welfare of the people.

I agree that social-democratic countries–like Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and the majority of western europe–are usually better off socially than, for example, the US. What I'm arguing is not that the system is bad, but that it is not a combination of two antithetical theories.

>>136468973
Gibsmedats if at all only work for ethno states :^)

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>>136468781
Looks like you don't know yours

>>136468973
Well those countries all have welfare, universal healthcare, free access to higher education. All policies which would be described as socialist

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>>136469126
Can't handle that someones better then you? Steal symbolism from another ideology and corrupt it with ethno hate, get your low IQ population to believe you, and just send them to death camps - Nazis who can't handle their problems civilly

no WONDER you guys lost the war *thinking*

>chilling in taxi van going to my destination with other folks
>foreigner asks driver why public bus that passed by is not in service
>driver chuckles

Because it's public.

Will ther be vidya in communism?

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I love nazi tears, so delicious.

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>>136469384
Sure why not

>>136469384
As long as the production of said vidyas have no profit motive!

>>136469282
>low IQ population
They're called useful idiots, but at least didn't lose to a speech by Ronald Reagan.

>>136466465
back to your containment site
the only thing communists deserve is a bullet to the head

>>136469186
I think this is where we differ. I believe that socialism can be summed up very simply–democratic worker control of the means of production. It varies in the implementation, but that is the only thing constant to the system.

You might call public healthcare, free education, etc. socialism, and they are usually implemented in socialist societies, but they are not essential to the system and thus I would not call them "socialist".

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>>136469548
You'd make a fine candidate for the gulag!

>>136468973
>that it is not a combination of two antithetical theories

Ah, I see your point now. Yes, I guess I can (partly) agree with that. Of course, these systems cannot be 'fully' established. That is why it's is just an 'intersection'. Simply spoken, it takes out a few positive aspects from socialism and a few positive aspects from capitalism. The 'free' market is free in such a way that one can act in the market, but more or less has to follow 'special' rules that are applied to every demander and supplier.

Basically, the social state agitates as the corrective to the free enterprise economy (= free market). This intersection is also known as "Social market economy" (germ: Soziale Marktwirtschaft). On a spectrum (where the right side of the X axis would be free market and the left side would be planned economy), you could definitely see Social market economy taking place in the middle on the X axis.

>>136469384
Nope, private companies thrive off competition with eachother, everything will be state owned by people who have no interest in video games and will probably just use it to spread government propaganda, say goodbye to nintendo.

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>>136469618
Just remember who won the war!

>>136469685
Well okay fair enough. What are you in support of by the way?

>>136469789
the cold war?
I'll give you a point for subversion of cultural marxist academia but they'll lose themselves in irrelevance soon

>>136469817
demsoc/market socialism

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>>136469750
>state owned
READ.
MARX.
BEFORE.
YOU.
MAKE.
A.
FOOL.
OF.
YOUR.
SELF.
PUBLICLY.

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>>136469789

>>136469962
WW2 dummy

What happened to old Adolf?

>>136466679
>all non commies are caps.
Shut your mouth you red cunt

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>>136470036
I bet Nazi heads made great wall decorations in the gulag.

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>>136470112
Traitors get the ice pick.

>>136468140
>>136467855
Its neither, since there are class limits with progressive taxation, minor nationalization, heavy gibz.
honestly both capitalism and socialism are vague as fuck terms that should be forgotten.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry :D

>>136470064
like any socialists or communists he got what was coming to him

>>136468049
No, socialism is the worker ownership of the means of production.
Communism is the worker ownership of all goods
IE total collectivization.

>>136466465
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

Fortunately communism has already failed in Europe. Never again.

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>>136470391
Traitors get le ice pick.

>>136466465

The dox of Anon5 was a confirmed false flag.

>>136467185
>nazi women will always be fiction and LARPing, while commie women were actually real
lmao

>>136469789
His people won the war for your jewish ideology.

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>>136466465
kill yourselves before you make us do it for you

>>136470232
>anarcho stalinism
kek.
Socialism = Good
GOMMUNISM = total shit

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>>136470560
L
A
R
P
E
R

>>136468973
I agree with your concepts, but don't feel that this trend is necessarily the best way to go. Human greed, income inequality, tax inequality, disproportional income / job opportunities for no / low achievers are definitely putting Capitalism to the test.

>>136470485
So you are saying the gommienism and socialism are the same thing
Holy shit you are dumb pedro

>>136470578
What is your picture implying? Are you saying communists liked Hilary?

>>136470634
I am a libertarian conservative socialist
This shitty flag is the closest i can use.

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>>136470754
>I'M A LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE SOCIALIST

AHAHahahAHAhahHahahHahahHAhah

go SUCK the tite of nestle, lockheed martin, coca cola, and your capitalist swine politicians, larpy mcgoo!

>>136470754
>libertarian conservative socialist
What a random assortment of ideologies

>>136470391
as i see it, communism is just worker ownership of the means coupled with a stateless, moneyless, classless society, not worker ownership of all goods

>>136470844
>IF YOU ARE LEFT OF STALIN YOU ARE A CAPITALIST PIG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>136470845
Lib soc is real and is certanily better than your shitty state enforced famine.

>>136470754
>inb4 you don't want to abolish hierarchies

>>136470869
Pretty much. IE a system that can never work as it lacks any motivation/order

>>136470963
post political compass and 8 values, ashol

>>136470963
>libertarian socialist

hehehehe the retards have sure came out today

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>>136471041
>it's an ancap puts on an anarchist flag episode

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>>136466465

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>>136471329
Remember, every post you make is another post that goes on the list for after the revolution

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>>136471329

>>136470963
lib soc is understandable but wtf is 'conservative' doing in there

>>136470036
This was a great day, I stil remember where I was.

>>136471206
>ancap
>not retarded.

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The faces of capitalism

>>136467891
>Communist dindus
We have found a new level of ignorance
I may be a marxist but im also a realist

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>>136471813
Traitors get the icepick, friendo.

>>136471925
Trotsky did nothing wrong

>>136470754
>libertarian conservative socialist
you can't be a reasonable libertarian respecting god-given liberties and private property while holding totalitarian socialist views
there's a word for your kind and I believe it's FAGGOT

>>136472020
At least stalin did some good things
Not that scummy jewish cuckold by the name of (((BRONSTEIN)))

>>136472087
Wealth should not be redistributed.
But the workers should own the industry.

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>>136472020
Traitors.
Get.
The.
Ice.
Pick.

Never betray your comrades.

>>136472174
You sound confused

>>136471925
>implying the truth is treason
Snowden much?

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You have to go back

>>136472174
public property is cancer and the state is a euphemism for broken promises
private property solves many problems, contractual obligations solve what's left
you want 'industry' you make it through your own capex and opex

>>136472369
Give me one piece of evidence that holodomor actually happened, and wasn't a western psyop... And maybe i'll spare you the icepick.
(protip you can't)

>>136472174

???????????????

oh right he is a rich wannabe commie there we go that makes sense

>>136472442
>Prove it didnt?
If the popular consensus is it happened the burden of proof lies on the mystical claim

>>136472560
A great man.

>>136472688
No, I think the burden of proof falls on someone who insists millions of people died.

If you make such an outrageous claim then you should be able to back it up, right?

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Explain why I should want communism without using any spooks.

>>136472747
Do people who deny the holocaust have to prove they are retarded?

/commiepol/, you guys all live in market driven societies at present. How do you guys live your day to day? Do you buy groceries from chain supermarkets and brand name products or do you buy stuff from farmers markets etc? Only use open source software? What type of phones do you use? Must be hell to be trapped in a consumerist society you don't believe in at all. I'm genuinely curious as to how you try to live a life as close as possible to your ideals.

>>136472861
Nice try to deflect the argument that you're losing to another subject.

>>136472846
You get to deny genocide for starters
>>136472747

>>136473120
>Do you buy groceries from chain supermarkets
No
>Only use open source software?
Pretty much
>What type of phones do you use?
Android

>>136473178
Larp.

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>>136473120
Presumably they are all either self-employed or work in a coop or commune, and I can only assume that they buy as many products as they can from people who are also self employed or from coops. Otherwise they would just be hypocrites.

>>136473122
>Hurrdurr genocide doesn't happen unless its to other ideologies
Grow up and stop sniffing paint
You are whats wrong with the current state of communist theory

>>136473315
>Presumably they are all either self-employed or work in a coop or commune,
Well depending on where you live that might not be an option. We exist inside a capitalist society and sometimes you have to play by those rules

>>136473371
You're larping, i'm still waiting for you to give me one piece of evidence holodomor happened. Until then you've ran away from the argument.

>>136473315
>>136473237
It must be bloody hard to live like that in our consumer driven societies. How on earth do you avoid feeding the beast you don't believe in? Surely even the most ardent of commie must at some point yearn for a can of coke.

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>>136473449
http://www.ic.org/directory/intentional-communities-by-country/

This ought to help anyone looking to live in a commune.

>>136472422
You could trace over the letters and then cut them out. It's make the whole thing a little more legible.

>>136473120
>>136473574
>utopianism
>virtue signalling
There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. Trying to adhere to communist ideals under capitalism is an exercise in futility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaGp5_Sfbss

>>136473449
move to Laos

>>136473568
Give me a single shred of yours
Protip
You can't

Freemasonry is Judaisam for goyim -dubay
j

>>136473568

I'm interested in knowing more about this also. This might be your chance to sway someone to your side if you disprove holodomor

>>136473875
Burden of proof falls on the prosecution.

My proof is that it didn't happen, it's propaganda. Now, since the burden of proof falls on you give one shred of evidence it did, or else you're running.

If something so big, with millions of people dying happened, it should be easy to show evidence right? Sounds like your scared because you know we're right, larping concern troll. Ice pick for you.

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>>136473939
Why? Even if the Holodomor didn't happen Communism has already proved itself to be an ideology too weak to sustain itself.

>>136472846
70% of the market is still private, how is it not capitalist. also oil prices.

>>136474037
YOU ARE PROSECUTING THE WIDELY HELD BELIEF IN A FUCKING GENOCIDE
Jesus if you are right just post a fucking link you idiot

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>>136473939
>disprove holodomor
Son, what kind of fucking idiot deliberately starves their own population, therefore destabilizing the country and puts their own government at risk?

Yes, there was a famine. Yes, people died. Yes, there were grain exports, according to the 5-year plan, then there was bureaucratic confusion and shipments went back to relieve the shortages. No, actually Kazakhstan got it worse than Ukraine.

>>136474153
This is true. In fact countries like France have more government control over the economy

>>136474066
Well we always give proof for the non event that was the holocaust. Shouldn't we treat holodomor the same way?

Stop being tankies

>>136468762
This one always makes me chuckle

>>136474160
Burden of proof ALWAYS falls on the prosecution.

And the ones who are persecuted are the communists who fell victim to propaganda.

You started this by saying the human centipede that is the capitalist funded propaganda group voices of communism is fake, and we are dindu nuffins is where you started the prosecution.

And as the prosecutor, someone who brought up and said we are wrong, and also the one who brought up burden of proof in the first place, explain why we are wrong. Or else you're just making blank assumptions, and running.

Kinda sad that you'd make such an outrageous claim and you're so cowardly that you can't even provide one shred of evidence.

I rest my case, you've proven yourself an idiot.

Ice pick for you.

>>136474261
>a desert suffered more from a famine than the most fertile farmland in the world, so it's ok

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>>136474153
>70% of the market is still private,
Which doesn't do much good when massive government oversight leads to the private sector doing terribly.

>also oil prices
Norway and Saudi Arabia don't seem to be having the same issues despite the oil price change.

>>136474327
I don't have proof for holodomor either way desu but its important to remember there is a strong ideological incentive to exaggerate these things

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>>136466465
>mfw i'll never get to see a commie flag flying on the roof of the white house in my lifetime

>>136474261
So how many dead?

>>136473667
I certainly see where you guys are coming from. Our consumerist society is shallow and frankly deranged. Just looking around my house and seeing how much of it is just stuff that was bought for the purpose of being bought. Most items serve no purpose. However, I am still a believer in the free market and mostly in freedom of choice. I don't disagree with the system per se. How do you live in this system that you are diametrically opposed to without going batshit insane?

>>136474384
those country arent as depended as venenzuela. also venenzuela was always a shithole, why are people now so worried about venenzuela all of the sudden.

>>136474066
Im a proponent of Communist idealism, but i also understand the best way to build our ability to reach communism is by maximizing efficiency to make its eventual implementation much quicker and easier
Basically communism will work but up until this point and for the foreseeable future it wont be easy to implement and the people will always see what its done in the past and not what it can do for our future

>>136474368
When I said is fake, it was a type I meant to say you defended the capitalist funded propaganda group voices of communism

>>136474368
oh jeeze

Disprove it or you have lost end of discussion

>>136474677
Prove it or you have lost the argument you started. You can't start an argument with no basis. :^) Run run, capitalist piggy.

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>>136474327
Hell, I don't know, maybe the Holodomor is exaggerated, just like the Holocaust is exaggerated, and all the supposed "deaths" under capitalism are exaggerated. At the end of the day though capitalism has always won in the battle of ideologies.

>>136474489
your country becomes more and more socialist, maybe no commie flag, but certainly a red flag.

>>136474736
Of course its exaggerated but it definitely happened
In western societies sensationalism holds sway over the masses and makes morality 1D

>>136474736
I'm asking for facts and don't care about ideologies. And with your flag neither should you. How many dead at holodomor? Was it volontary or not?

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>>136474886
>it definitely happened
It's pretty easy to make outrageous claims with no proof or basis, ay? Run run.

>>136474886
This reminds me of one of Jordan Peterson's lectures were he says that they used to print posters warning people not to eat their children. I have tried to look into this and I have only ever been able to find a dubious second hand account

>>136474991
>>136474720
I know why im not getting proof because im lazy
But why aren't you?

>>136474736
Oh look, someone with a.....

"sure, i'll take the flag you sell me porky!"
"sure i'll advocate to make a free market so you can spread your monopolies with no regulations porky!"
"sure i'll distribute the wealth of my families into your pockets porky! as long as you give me a flag and a cool name that makes it sound like i'm advocating freedom lol!"

....flag

>>136475162
Because i'm lazy.

Nice excuse, seems like something so outrageous with so many millions of people dead would be easy to find evidence on. Even a lazy person should be able to find evidence on an event that supposedly led to millions of deaths.

Ha, but you're just lazy, you're not running away from the argument you started or anything.

Hehehe.

>>136466465
>>>136474736
>I'm asking for facts and don't care about ideologies. And with your flag neither should you. How many dead at holodomor? Was it volontary or not?

I'm finding sources claiming 3 to 6 millions between ukrainians and kazakstan.
Lots of them with some backed up by the kgb archives.

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>>136475279
>so you can spread your monopolies
Kek

>>136475123
Yeah when you dedicate your life to researching genocide im guessing when you find something like that it sticks in your mind. To some people the truth doesnt matter only the message

>>136474963
actually my worst nightmare my family and friends being dragged out of there their and shot for criticizing the government they live, oh wait

>>136475365
Im waiting!

>>136475509
>sure porky, lemme just kiss your boots and not even know it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg

remember kids: the only good communist is a dead communist

>>136475590
I'm waiting for evidence, running larper, until then your argument is nothing burger.

>>136474502
The 7 million figure is probably right, going by the disparity between expectation and reality of the census data taken in USSR in 1937.

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>>136475613
>all these posts and not a single argument
Kek

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>>136475845
>yes my pretty

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>>136474780
i mean there is already red in the flag

>>136475789
Well im not getting evidence and you arent proving me wrong so

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>larper

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>>136475885
Kek

>>136468762
I owe you a beer gomrade.

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>>136475969
Never was about proving you wrong, you tried to prove me wrong by starting your argument.

You bring no evidence, no argument. You lose, over.

>>136475822
So 7 millions either by political repression or by incompetence... way more than what the nazis "did on purpose" care to explain?

>>136476004
What a retard

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>>136466679
>The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them

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>>136474506
>How do you live in this system that you are diametrically opposed to without going batshit insane?
Who said we do?

>>136476143
Whatever the number it was due to the need of rapid industrialisation. Not defending famines but what the nazis did was calculated and deliberate and served no purpose other than genocide

>>136476143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwhpnxHYiA

Take the incentives out of an economy it loses allot of efficiency doesnt mean its not for the greater good

How do you commies devise to get people out of their daily consumerist trappings? Our societies are hard wired to want more stuff, regardless of need.

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>>136476200
Kek

>>136476580
run run run

no evidence
ran
hehe

>>136466465
>>>136476143
>Whatever the number it was due to the need of rapid industrialisation. Not defending famines but what the nazis did was calculated and deliberate and served no purpose other than genocide

Why the need for rapid industrialisation at the cost of 7 million dead?

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>>136476782
Kek

>>136476595
>Our societies are hard wired to want more stuff,
In the current state of things I suppose so, but was it always this way? People say over and over in defence of capitalism that greed is human nature but in fact I think that human nature is more egalitarian than people think.

Companies have spent a lot of money, in fact there is a whole industry built around convincing people that they need more stuff. It is called advertising

>>136476782
Honestly Pathetic.

>>136476653
I'm willing to take bait.
What kind of evidence though?
Pictures wouldn't be availlables.
No mass graves since its not camps
Only witness statements would be availlable right?

>>136476649
Honestly pathetic.

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>>136466465
>Communism was invented more than 100 years ago
>Has not worked a single time and ruined many countries in attempts

Is there a single reason why communists shouldn't kill themselves?

>>136466465
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

New stage! New command structure, bring it on! So instead of a capitalist pig's boot in my face there's now a communist party officer's boot in my face.

>>136466465
Is there any country that treid communism and succeeded?

>>136476653
You sicken me,
To think thundercunts like you are picking up the Communist mantle saddens me greatly

>>136476782
A commie could never afford a table

unsubscribed

>>136476771
>Why the need for rapid industrialisation at the cost of 7 million dead?
Because Russia was pretty underdeveloped before the soviets took power. It would have never survived against the outside world if it didn't catch up quickly, hence Stalin's 5 year plan.

>>136476883
Yes, but how would you break the conditioning? Nobody needs a flatscreen or an all inclusive holiday in the Maldives. These are desires that have been instilled over the years. Hasn't the world gone too far to turn the ship around?

>>136476771
Because the Russian Empire was a backwards shithole, that was always plagued by famines. Nobody just gave a shit before. USSR actually doubled life expectancy, quintupled wages, eliminated homelessness (twice, lol) and had a 100% literacy rate. The last famine in USSR was in 1947 and that was due to devastation by WW2.

>>136477096
spoken like a true keyboard warrior who can only use ad-hominem and can't back up any of his arguments with evidence

run run little piggy

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>>136466465

>>136477161
Is there any country that tried communism and succeeded?

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>>136477214
I don't know what your argument is, what does that picture have to do with Stalin's 5 year plan?

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>>136476595
>How do you commies devise to get people out of their daily consumerist trappings?
Good question. If you look at most of human history, humans were really that much of consumerists like under capitalism now. Capitalism requires consumerism to keep the machine running. Once the machine dies people can devout time to reading, spending time with their families, and enjoying their hobbies. All of the advertising and propaganda to "consume" like in They Live would stop and maybe people would learn how to be people again. Capitalism has it's side effects too. Many people in society have mental problems. Anxiety, depression, dysphoria. The fast-paced consumerist lifestyle isn't how humans evolved, it's unnatural and many people are suffering from it.

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>>136477063
They can go ancom to be actually free from any bigger controle and still be left.

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>>136477135

>>136477267
No. There have been socialist states, yes.

>>136477128
>flatscreen
>vacations
>bad
Hold up, son. We're talking more about Juicero-type stuff, than denying people creature comforts and the like.

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>>136477054
Kek

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>>136466465
Looks like the faggot spaniard is back with his commie slide thread.
Remember kids, sage goes in the options box.

>>136477487
Great post. Fuck off you 16 year old

>>136477267
yep, cambodia in 1979 was closest to real communism. they did all that was on their Agenda. and in 1 year they cilled 25% of all cambodians (2 Million out of 8 Million) through starvation or death camps.
The Vietnamese had to invade to stop that horrorshow

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>>136477391
Are there any examples? (the german reich doesn't count).

>>136477317
<3

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>>136475613
Noam...the anti-capitalist who lives in a gated community, instead of with his comrades, lol.

>>136477707
Of socialist states? Of course. The USSR is a pretty obvious one

>>136477794
Well how's ussr doing now?

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>>136477794
No, it was State Capitalism, comrade.

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>>136477135
Every other western developed capitalist country did that too though? Maybe not the homeless part i'll give you that. But after the wall their quality of life was way worse than what we had. I don't see the appeal

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>>136477933
>succesful socialist economies cut down by capitalist imperialism
maximum kek yeah it's called prosperity

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>>136477978
>developed capitalist country did that too though?
>capitalist country
>100% literacy rates
no lol
>According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read.

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>>136477117
What outside world are we talking about? The japanese? 1933 china? Germany? None of them killed 7 million russians during a war did they?

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>>136477933
>successful socialist economies cut down by capitalism
It's not exactly successful when you are incapable of standing up to any resistance, now is it?

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American pigs

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>>136478328
Thing is that he cant even Name one.

>>136478401
good job changing the subject

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>>136478369
>and are successful
Might want to read the history books again

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>>136477707
>Anonymous
off the top of my head, makhno's ukraine, shindim region, revolutionary catalonia, yugoslavia under tito, burkina faso under sankara, the zapatista regions in mexico, and rojava today, as well as ussr, cuba, and china under mao

>>136478369
When you create a system ment to be fair but doesn't work and is even unfair in some areas in the economy (wellfaire)
, and in result when tried in practice and it fails people don't like it* the missed spelled something no need to thank me

>>136478503
shinmin*

>>136477394
>>136477317
What is enough and who decides? We all need food, clothing, clean water, lodging, healthcare, education and security. We don't strictly need any creature comforts, but they sure as hell are nice to have. However, our stuff and pointless desires own us at present. Advertising creates these supposed needs to want more and feeds our innate greed. It also makes us all intensely unhappy. I can share your revulsion in all of this. I still remain unconvinced that communism will be the solution to our societal ills.

>>136477978
USSR did it much faster, though. And western developed countries needed encouragement from socialist movements. Even as the western capitalists literally killed them in the street. USA was actually the worst in this regard, to the point European capitalists were complaining about them being inhumane. Basically, socialists won you all your "rights". USSR was the sole reason capitalists ever played nice with you, and the Sputnik made USA realize that USSR was producing engineers and scientists in triple numbers than what they were,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

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>>136466465
I feel hungry just looking at this thread
I'm going to go buy a burger now, comrades

>>136478768
>What is enough and who decides?
You will get a different answer depending on what type of communist you ask.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7

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>>136478974
>first to unleash propaganda

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>>136477345
>ancom
Doesn't exist

>>136478266
Maybe that's the niggers?
100%?
So even the retards could read during the 1950 soviet union?
Somehow they could test all of their population for reading ability but could not manage to feed them?
I just looked up literacy rates guess who have a 100% right now? North korea. Maybe literacy is linked to starving?

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>>136479049
Interesting, it is almost as though controlling people is a bad idea and we should leave everyone to their own devices and allow them to work and earn as much as their skills and ambition allow.

>>136479059
Yeah, I don't know what google is either.

>>136479057
Who is rabbi Harry Waton and why should I care
>>136479112
I shouldn't have said 100% to be fair, just quoting the other post but still

>The population of the Russian Empire in the 79% were illiterate (census 1897), that is, could neither read nor write. Under Stalin, illiteracy has been eradicated. Literacy has risen to 89.1% (1932).

>According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can’t read. That’s 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can’t read.

>>136479353
Do they count emigrants?

>>136479333
I can find a lot of information regarding Bigfoot on Google as well #wow #whoa

>>136479333
Anarchy and Communism contradict each other

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>>136466465
>This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

So, what exactly does that entail? The best way to starve to death?

>>136479112
>Somehow they could test all of their population for reading ability but could not manage to feed them?
Remember, six inches of top soil AND the fact that it rains. Ukraine has the former down, but keeps struggling with the latter. The situation is the same all over USSR, either shit soil or shit weather.

Still a hell of a lot better than starving tens of millions Hindus in the single most fertile region in the entire goddamn world on a regular basis, because you're high on Malthus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule.

>>136479509
Not really. Both anarchy and communism are without states

>>136479509
How?

>>136479497
Zapatista, sound familiar?

>>136479509

No they don't. Most anarchists (in the UK) at least are quite happy to describe their own politics as being communist with a small c - more likely to call themselves communist than socialist fwiw.

That's why the leading British/US anarchist website is call Libcom.org ie Libertarian Communist

>>136479630
It's not about starving to death, it's about equality and forcing other people to starve to death too.

>>136479822
Wow, an army of Mexican intellectuals! I guess that means anarcho communism is possible, shame they were defeated by imperialism! :(

>>136466465
>>>136477978
>USSR did it much faster, though.
They did not, in fact every country under communism fared way worse.

>And western developed countries needed encouragement from socialist movements. Even as the western capitalists literally killed them in the street. USA was actually the worst in this regard, to the point European capitalists were complaining about them being inhumane.
Yes capitalism clearly has issues, that link of yours say 20 dead how big is it compared to 7 millions?

>Basically, socialists won you all your "rights".
Socialist are not comunists

>USSR was the sole reason capitalists ever played nice with you, and the Sputnik made USA realize that USSR was producing engineers and scientists in triple numbers than what they were,

Quantity over quality. India has lots of "computer scientists"

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

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>>136478879
>>136478974

What do you think about people who scream "MUH 100 GORILLION!"?

>>136479702
>>136479743
>>136479856
Explain how common ownership works when there's no one to enforce it?

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>claims to hate the (((1%)))
>supports an ideology that benefits the (((1%))) more then Capitalism does
You faggots do realize you'll all be killed off because I can guarantee you most of you commie fags have no abilities except sitting on your ass all day and collecting handouts from the government. You faggots don't know anything about manual labor

>>136480341
Because we will all hold le hands and share everything in harmony :)

Capitalism doesn't work because people are too greedy though

>>136480341
BBBBTfo'd

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>>136480304
I prefer not to.

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>>136480432
>your pic
>I am the tea party

lmao get outta here

>>136479647
I lived in india for a year. Famines still happen here. Not because of the british but because they can't be bothered to build or maintain infrastructure. Because corruption is rampant and they live under a socialist ruling class.
Does that makes you think of something else?

>>136480341
>Explain how common ownership works

Depends who you consult, although I'm pretty sure you would be able to enforce it. Even without a state no-one's expecting a society to exist without organisation or rules - the only difference is that this legitimate authority (as opposed to the illegitimate authority of the bourgeois state) comes from the bottom up not the top down and consent can be withdrawn.

In fairness most of human history prior to the last few millenia, that is to say 99% of our history as homo sapien, was without private property and the state.

>>136480686
>Because corruption is rampant and they live under a socialist ruling class.

Here is a very deeply confused individual

>>136480670
>can't be bothered to disprove my claim
You commies are pathetic. You always avoid any decent claim you don't have a comeback to and resort to dumping pointless images in a desperate attempt to keep this thread alive. I don't see why you bother; anyone that comes to /pol/ isn't dumb enough to fall for the Communist meme

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>>136480686
>India's ruling class
>socialist

>>136480851
And yet you still didn't disprove his claim.

>>136480925
What claim are you making? that there is a Jewish conspiracy?

>>136468762
just wanted to see if this was already posted

>>136481029
Not our job.

Isn't comunisim like prison. Forced bloc style living corters, shitty food, assigned work and the guy at in charge having control above everyone due to the fact they own the guards?

>>136481211
being intelligent is everyones job, too bad commies don't read books.

>>136481029

It's so utterly ridiculous and contradictory I don't think I could desu.

>>136481286
Why are you shirking your responsibilities then?

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>>136481063
Marx, Lenon, Stalin and Trotsky were all kikes and Communism benefits the elite more then Capitalism does because it gives them complete control over the population since everyone becomes dependent on the government for handouts in order to survive

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>>136481286
India isn't socialist by any definition, it is a ridiculous claim. In fact India is famous for taking outsourced contracts from western nations

>>136481286
>being intelligent

Someone who just described the ruling class of India as "socialists" isn't intelligent and hasn't read any books.

Furthermore the claim that famines on the scale of that which took place repeatedly in Bengal in particular and India in general are not being repeated at the present moment in time. Adjusted for population increases over time on today's scale the 19th century famines inflicted on India would be pushing 100 million deaths per annum, and since that manifestly isn't happening anywhere in the world at the moment let alone India I think it's safe to say the man is an idiot and you can dismiss his absurd claims outright.

>>136481552
>Lenon
*Lenin, and no he wasn't

>>136481552
>Communism benefits the elite more then Capitalism

Why do capitalist nations have much wider inequality than the USSR did if this is the case?

Are you arguing against communist because it's not egalitarian enough? A bold move, i have to say...

>>136481552
>>136481647
Also, I missed you claiming that Stalin was Jewish. He trained to be a priest at one point. What a stupid post

>>136480851
I am not confused. Even did my master thesis on indian corruption. The indira-ghandi crew has been feeding socialist lies to the population and stayed in power for 50 years. You think the us has a profiteering deep state? Lookup what the poo have. Look up curruption and commonwealth games. The worst is that they steal money form starving instead of obese people.

>>136481647
>*Lenin, and no he wasn't

Not that it would matter if he was.

Had the revolution happened in England in 1917 instead of Russia I swear you'd have NatSoc's crying about a conspiracy Irish workers being behind socialism. Anything to protect their masters eh?

>>136481799
>Look up curruption and commonwealth games

Not quite on the same scale as the Bengal famine though is it?

>>136481647
>Lenin wasn't Jewish
(((They))) tried to hide it but the KGB released files confirming he is you fucking retard. His Grandfather was also Jewish

http://archive.is/y5Pr8

>>136481909
>His Grandfather was also Jewish
So? Even by Jewish customs that would not make him Jewish. Not that it matters anyway

oh god one of this threads again

>>136466465
>There will only be one class

AHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA

There will be a minimum of three, as there always is. And you faggots will be on the bottom still.

Move to Venezuela.

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>>136481759
>priest
>Soviet Union massacred around 20 million Christians
>completely ignoring the fact that Stalin has Jewish blood in him
Seems legit

>>136481724
>when the people will never be equal and hierarchies are beneficial, but Communism isn't egalitarian enough
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