/vzg/- Venezuela General- Civil War Imminent Edition

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RIGHT WING DICTATORSHIP SOON

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>>136439154
I'm sorry, commie poster. Socialism doesn't work

https://archive.is/NkSJX

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>>136439154
Starvation to those who oppose us!

>>136439154
>Number of deaths : 119
That number has to be way higher now though, I guess we won't know quite yet

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>>136439355
JOIN OR STARVE

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>>136439154
Just started visiting these threads.

Someone, please tell me what the fuck is going on Venezuela and why there is a communist defending 'traitors' getting shot.

>>136439259
But thats not real socialism!

>>136439154
>daily reminder that right wingers support killing police officers if they don't like the government

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>>136439154
>YFW you won't have your promised free vacation at Caracas since they don't even need a war to get rekt.

:^(

Help create Webm's by searching #Venezuela on twitter. Switch to the 'videos' tab to skip most bs.

If you don't know how to create Webm's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjzMKzjNnKk

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REMEMBER, socialism doesn't work and the best way to beat it is to EXPOSE IT

I'm going to presume /pol/ is siding with the authoritarian government of Venezuela and the National Bolivarian Armed Forces of Venezuela in all this mess.

I'd very surprised to see /pol/ rooting for monkeys chimping out on the streets of a sovereign nation against a sovereign constitution.

>>136439406
>why there is a communist defending 'traitors' getting shot.
I'm celebrating it, because I hate traitors. People who want their country to go down in flames instead of using the legitimate avenues to express their grievances deserve what they get.

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>>136439406
>Maduro still has enough money to pay the military and the police
>They are still doing their job defending the despot
>Most of the population starve meanwhile

>>136439406
>Maduro loses parliamentary elections
>Maduro creates unconstitutional assembly that overrides old parliament
>military and paramilitary rebelling against Maduro's dictatorship
>yesterday they successfully carried out #OperationDavid, taking 100 rifles and 10 grenade launchers from Maduro's forces
>Maduro lies and says they failed and run away, deflating their numbers, basic damage control and quickly disproved lies
>tonight they have launched #OperationNinja, which will capture and exile several of Maduro's cronies involved in drug trafficking that have extradition requests

>>136439499
Nah mate, were against the commie gobermint, but were not with the rebels either since their both most likely leftist

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>>136439406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Dj6QUl1j0

Here is a pretty good and short recap .

>>136439499
Maduro is a Narco-Dictator, stealing, enslaving and starving his own people.

He was a fucking bus driver before entering Chavez Cartel

>>136439475
gah running a sketchy -nix distro, twitter thinks I am a cell phone and puts me on this horrible userinterface

/pol/ volunteer force when?

>>136439499
>siding with socialism
go hang yourself retard

>Starve or Starve

>>136439499
nah, it's not for the best of the people
they are lit being starved due to insane government negligence and corruption, and the gov refuses to take any measures to better the situation and just keeps on yapping about imperialists and the us, blaming others for their own mess

is maduro /our guy/? if not then who is?

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Get Shot or Get Shot while starving to death!

Does anybody remember that Rebel leader with the pretty eyes and bald head? What happened to him?

>>136439836
Nobody, so far it's tankies versus rabid welfare libs

>>136439836
Leopoldo Lopez is /ourguy/

>>136439862
He was the sweetest anime character I ever seen!

>>136439570
>>136439589
>>136439654

Thanks for the help anons.

>>136439509
Their country has apparently gone to shit because of socialism and they want to change.
What is wrong with this.

>>136439154
Yet another CIA coup. When will amerishits learn?

>>136439836
The revolutionaries are /our guys/ because they're fighting for their life and liberty.

>>136439509
> population expresses their grievances by voting an opposing majority
> maduro unilateraly dissolves dissenting assembly
you can't make this shit up

>>136439499
You're fucking retarded.

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>No. 13643999
Holy shit! Ancapistan smiles upon yuo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ

>>136440109
lol no.

they're or they'll end up fighting for their "true version" of socialism.

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>>136440036
The Canadian Poster eludes me.

>>136440187
at least it might be better for them

>>136439999
Ancapistan smiles upon you! Shadilay!

My state tachira and the next merida dont have internet. At all. Only phone works. This has happened before. They might be testing something

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>>136439789
seems to me just your average economic crisis because of the low oil prices. pretty sure the west has got a portion of the blame in this. if you think economies in this world are independent of each other you're deluded. it's obvious the western's economies cooperation with Venezuela instead of hostility would benefit its people.

now stop being hypocrites.

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This makes me want to get fireworks

>>136440424
it's happening, they don't want Twitter telling the truth

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>>136440271
>it might be better for them

that's not how socialism works

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>>136439654
>all that commie damage control in the comments section

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Coming in with new Webms. Taking me a while, still new at this.

>>136440902
>bump

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>>136439836
Dear leader Emperor Ramos Allúc will be our savior.

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Im sure /sg/ people are also here as well.

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What would be the thread theme while we wait for shit to go down?

>>136439499
Im with he police but not Maduro

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for those of you who don't have a clue on whats going on it's the same deal as star wars /rebel alliance or the failed turkey coup against king cockroach.


>>president elected
>>fraudulent votes
>>supporters die hards
>>rebel faction nationalist
>>rounding up government staff
>>civilians are caught between a rock and a hard place hungry and no real organization
>>rebels are well equipped helicopters,tanks
>>so is Army under government control so far
>>rebels began operation david approx 3 hours ago currently 3:00 am in Venasaur
>>Arab spring like anarchy

>>136440424
oh it's happening, and it's not really a surprise either. All so typical of totalitarian and/or failing regimes.
The want to shut down communication between people and to the outside world

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>>136441277
based helicopter murderer here have my rare pharma bro court art in return

1/4

>>136439499
>siding with commies
lol go away

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>>136441635
2/4

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>>136441692
3/4

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>>136441730
4/4

side note world of warcraft currency is more valuable than current venesaurian currency

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>>136442019
There seems to be a pattern going on here

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Join the /vzg/ Telegram chat:(don't use your full name)
http://t.me/VenezueiaGeneral

Important people here, interested in anyone resisting or with family in the government.

LOTS of informational guides(etc) there we can't post here.

Reposted from last thread

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>>136440461
well destroying everything else and making the oil sector so uncompetative is their own fault.

A venezuela anon had family in the sector where corruption is rampant. First they were 4k effective workers, now it's 100k, and nobody knows how into. His mother suddenly got her former security guy as a boss, yet he didn't know fucking shit. It's also been reported here in the news, that it's just zerged with unskilled workers.

When it comes to food they also shat them selves severely. You used to have big, ultra big very productive farms. But you know these skilled farmers they where ebin captitalists and what not. So....

First they demanded that they had to produce papers that they owned the land, and these papers had to date back before any such papers were issued in the 1800ds sometime..,,

Then they grabbed the land and shipped in tons of people from the cities; he free land everyone!

Balkanizing these farms into useless unproductive small parcels of land.... Not even able to produce anything for them self.

This utter incompetence everywhere, so you cannot blame this on one single issue, other than malrule over a long period of time.

As we say, as you sow you reap

>tfw Maduro will win

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>>136440461

I'm surprised the CIA hasn't started arming protestors and collapsing the country yet.

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>>136442266
As if South America needs the CIA to collapse.

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>>136442145
sure fbi

What are the blowback from intervening in Vez besides refugees and drugs and increased gang violence?

>>136440461
If that were the case shouldn't other oil producers countries like saudi arabia and arab emirates be in a similar situation?

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>>136441503
Wooo! It's another deep state party thinly veiled as a ((((((((((popular revolution))))))))) kinda thing.

Any news on Colombia's involvement? Logistical, financial, arms?

I wonder when the documentaries explaining who jewed who will come out

>>136442504
The oil sector has been in decline here too, and many people had to go from their job finding something else to do. The sector was a bit too big a period here.

The big difference here, which they talk a lot about on the news, is that we got skilled workers there. It isn't just random people without any training that are given a job to sit on their ass because they know some people, which is the problem in venezuela. Corruption and incompetence

The companies adopt to the current situation, they don't go around and yapp about imperialists and blame the us whilst doing nothing to fix the situation

>>136442595
same deal with erdogan

if shits going wrong blame the usa quite literately seen some of his supporters tweet its a usa backed coup

>>136442416
Not at all, but they like to create chaos regardless.

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>>136442307
WTF is the 2nd to last motorcycle rider (at 11 seconds in) wielding? It has a very wide cylindrical looking thing on the end of a shaft or barrel. Looks like he's holding it as you would one hand a rifle. Flame thrower? Net thrower? Cant freeze the frame to get a better screenshot, but you can see him drop the end as he goes out of frame.

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>>136442476
No mames puto negro come mierda

>>136442064
the pattern is the use of violence to control the population, particularly on those who defy authority.
the monopoly of violence and the use of it when necessary is pretty much the only way to keep the illusion going or else people will just stop respecting authority and society stops working.
>>136442169
> is their own fault.
what I said. but I didn't remove the west's responsibility in the crisis, like you implied. we're all in this together.

>A venezuela anon had family in the sector where corruption is rampant.
nice story. my dad works for nintendo too, i'm not gonna make an argument around it either

>no food
like I said, it's an economic crisis. it has to be the government to deal with it. as outsiders our job is to cooperate if our concern is really the people, instead of hypocritically squeeze the knot and then scream muh commies

>>136442504
those other oil countries don't try to take their population out of poverty, they pretty much don't care how miserable people are. and, and this is the important difference, unlike venezuela, the west has their back, because they comply to the world order

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>>136442954
net catcher hahaha

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>>136439154

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friendly reminder that if you purchase fuel or sundries from pic related you are funding dictators.

>>136442307
lel lit pants on fire.

I get peoples frustration down there, but there are better ways to protest the gubment. Shit like this wouldn't happen up here either really, all it does is give the gubment incentive to attack the population.

Easy to sit here and say you know, but we would have overthrown them differently. Same with looting and shit which they love to do in the us too and other countries, it's totally alien to us

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>>136443010
It was the Venezuelan government that took over the economy and made 95% of its exports oil. It was their gamble with the nation's wealth and they blew it, no CIA conspiracy there. And shortages? Those are a mix of inflation and price fixing, both policies implemented by the Maduro too. Kys bootlicker.

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Burning of electoral material and voting machines.

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>>136443010
Found a pic of you online

>>136442996
>>136442996
based on google translate your post says
Do not mames fucking black eats shit

ok lad calm down we should all head over to your honeypot go ahead anons i ain't stopping you


you already posted some information on gun assembly so what "cant" you post here
Amante del negro

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>>136443010
get lost fucking /leftpol/

NO ARGUMENTS
Never any arguments, just muh capitalst and muh not real socialism. Fucking wake up you idiot. Fucking spoled brats in you mommas basement with no life experience what so ever, to bad you are to young to remember the ussr

>>136442764
You may be right, the nepotism the government has been implementing towards the party's loyalists is what has been deteriorating the national industry.
But you must admit it has worked wonders in their favor, since the opposition has called multiple times to long lasting strikes which if followed, would have collapsed the economy already.

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>>136443010
>>136443286
here, have a pic from his sister too

Post your best Hugo Chaves bloopers

#1 In December 2007, Hugo Chávez changed, via decree, the official meridian to meridian 67° 30' W, the same used between 1912 and 1965. As result, the standard time has been UTC−04:30 since December 9, 2007, half an hour behind the previous time[2] which eventually led to an increase in energy consumption.

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>>136443336
Yeah, he'd also say the attached stats are a giant coincidence that aren't the fault of the commie regime (note, even that low starting number really isn't that great, especially by Western standards)

Venezuela has lately taken to not publishing official crime numbers, since they would illustrate what a terrible communist shithole the commies have turned it into. Moreover they're probably also busy re-tooling the police so they can murder protesters rather than do something about the rather ample amount of crime.

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Alright boys, OP retiring. New baker needed if this keeps going. I'll come back next time with more Webm's and archived links. Pce

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>>136443630
Caracas is literally hell on earth for over a year now.

>>136443188
I agree. it was always gonna be a dangerous policy. but bitching about it is not going to help, that's the path Venezuela choose, and it's /vzg/ job now to accept things are the way they are and support the government and get on with it
>>136443336
relax nordbro, you're overreacting. I'm appealing for support for authority and for /vzg/ to stop acting hypocritically. your aggressiveness is not going to help either, so I advise some tea.

>>136443504
>>136443286
>durr hurr I can't put together an argument so i'll just attack the poster durr hurr

>>136443137
They might be in a slightly different situation considering that they're starving and the police are actively trying to kill them.

>>136443498
This stuff is not unique for Venezuela either, it has happened many times in history. And yeah in the short term persepective they get loyalty, which is partly why they do it, but they wreck the companies in the long run.

In both the 3rd reich and the ussr they did the same thing, that is as long as you had the party book there, you were privileged to shit. During the war here too, it happened, people joined the party just to get benefits while they didn't give rats ass about the nazi shit at all. In many ways it the exact same shit

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>>136440881
Thanks anon

Fucking sick of watching the same old Venezuela ones

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#2 In April 1999, Chávez ordered all branches of the military to devise programs to combat poverty and to further civic and social development in Venezuela's vast slum and rural areas. This civilian-military program was launched as "Plan Bolivar 2000", and was heavily patterned after a similar program enacted by Cuban President Fidel Castro during the early 1990s, while the Cuban people were still suffering through the "Special Period". Projects within Plan Bolivar 2000s scope included road building, housing construction, and mass vaccination. Though the plan initially had $20.8 million set aside for costs, some state that the program cost Venezuela approximately $113 million, nearly five times as more than planned.[34][35][36] The plan faltered at the end of 2001 with accusations and revelations of corruption by military officers, including both military officers who later rebelled against the president in April 2002 and officers linked to the president

>>136443765
yeah ofc it's what I tried to say there.

As we say it's easy for me and sit here, have food and not being shot to say these things. It's different when you have been starved over such a long time, get shot at and are frustrated as fuck ofc no hope in sight at all

>>136443630
dat pic holy fuck!

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#3 After the May and July 2000 elections, Chávez backed the passage of a Ley Habilitante (enabling act) by the National Assembly. This act allowed Chávez to rule by decree for one year. In November 2001, shortly before the Enabling Act was set to expire, Chávez used it to put into place a set of 49 laws central to the implementation of his programs. These included a Hydrocarbons Law and a Land Law. The Land Law, or Ley de Tierras, proposed giving some of the many Venezuelans who have constructed makeshift homes in the barrios that surround the country's major cities legal title to the land they occupy. It also contained provisions for rural land reform, including: incentives for people to return to the countryside and farm; tax penalties against leaving cultivable land idle (intended to encourage large land owners to sell plots to people who want to farm); grants of federal land to qualified farmers; and limited, compensated, expropriation of idle portions of privately owned latifunda land for distribution to poor agriculturalists.

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#4 According to economist Francisco Rodríguez, "real GDP contracted by 4.4 percent and the currency had lost more than 40 percent of its value in the first quarter of 2002 ... As early as January of that year, the Central Bank had already lost more than $7 billion in a futile attempt to defend the currency ... [an] economic crisis had started well before the political crisis—a fact that would be forgotten in the aftermath of the political tumult that followed."[65] A few months after the coup, in December 2002, the Chávez presidency faced a two-month strike organized by management at the national oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA) when he took steps to dismiss 17,000 workers; the strike deepened the economic crisis and cut the government off from all-important oil revenue.

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#5 Following his return to office, Chávez quickly took steps to secure support for his government. First, Chávez fired sixty generals and completely replaced the upper echelons of Venezuela's armed forces, substituting them with more pro-Chávez personnel (including Rincón?).[citation needed] The preceding two sentences are at variance with the following source information: "The coup was defeated but Chávez opted not to move against all but the most visible leaders of the conspiracy. The absence of sanctions against the opposition was interpreted as a sign of government weakness."[83] Chávez attempted conciliation by replacing some of his cabinet ministers with people more acceptable to the opposition, reinstating the PDVSA managers who he had fired in February and removing their replacements, and inviting various international figures and organisations to the country to help mediate between the government and opposition.[84] Chávez also took another measure to reduce the likelihood of a recurrence of the coup attempt: he sought to strengthen support among rank and file soldiers by boosting support programs, employment, and benefits for veterans. He also promulgated new civilian-military development initiatives.

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#6 In November 2003, Chávez announced "Mission Ribas", with the promise of providing remedial education and diplomas for Venezuela's five million high school dropouts. On the first anniversary of Mission Robinson's establishment, Chávez stated in Caracas's Teresa Carreño theater to an audience of 50,000 formerly illiterate Venezuelans, "in a year, we have graduated 1,250,000 Venezuelans." Nevertheless, there were also significant setbacks. Notably, the inflation rate rocketed to 31% in 2002 and remained at the high level of 27% in 2003, causing a great deal of hardship for the poor.

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#7 The provision in the Constitution allowing for a presidential recall requires the signatures of 20% of the electorate in order to effect a recall. Further, the cedulas (national identity card numbers) and identities of petition signers are not secret, and in fact were made public by Luis Tascón, a member of the Venezuelan National Assembly representing Chávez' party (Fifth Republic Movement - MVR) and the Communist Party of Venezuela of Táchira state. The government was accused of increasing the voter rolls by giving citizenship to illegal immigrants and refugees; and the opposition claimed that it was a citizenship for votes program. Voter registration increased by about 2 million people ahead of the referendum, which in effect raised the threshold of the 20% of the electorate needed to effect a recall

>>136442771
Grr, is this just oil related? If so, is it to close down Venezuelan production to increase oil price or allow foreign owned oil companies in to secure the profits?

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#8 In December 2005, the BBC said that Chavez "has made no secret of the fact that he is in favour of amending the constitution so that he can run again for president in 2012."[122] He has stated that he intends to retire from the Venezuelan presidency in 2021.[123] The following year Chavez sought re-election and his approval ratings in August stood at 55%

I like how /leftpol/ thinks they can turn this thread into their /pol/ colony. Fuck off you cunts.

>>136441503
it has nothing to do with the turkey coup

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>>136444821
leftys don't realize they're redpilling an entire continent. yeah... it's a shitty one... but its a fucking continent.

and all they had to do was get in power. pretty funny huh? to defeat a commie... just let him do his thing.

What if I told you that all these socialist and communist nations refused to play the global game of capitalism, and have failed not because "socialism doesn't work" but because they refused to be part of the norm.

You've all been jewed by bankers into playing their game and supporting their game.

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#9 Before the presidency of Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela faced occasional shortages owing to high inflation and financial inefficiencies of the government.[27] An increase in shortages began to occur in 2005, with 5% of items being unavailable according to the Central Bank of Venezuela.[28] In January 2008, 24.7% of goods were reported to not be available in Venezuela, with the scarcity of goods remaining high until May 2008, when there was a shortage of 16.3% of goods.[29] However, shortages increased again in January 2012 to nearly the same rate as in 2008.[29] Shortage rates continued to increase, and reached a new record high of 28% in February 2014.[30] Venezuela has stopped reporting its shortage data after the rate stood at 28

>>136439154
Have we started the fire?

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>>136445067
what if i told you that communism itself is a tool designed by the very same jews that you're talking about?

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>>136443630
Caracas is literally hell on earth for over a year now.
>>136445067
You know these countries used to be more than half the planet not a century ago right? They collapsed even when they were the norm.

>>136445067
good point anon

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>>136445034
eh? it's the same scenario pretty much minus the recent election.

civil war

>>136443504
wow deep

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>>136445229
Wew thanks 4chanx for saving my last reply too.

>>136445252
no its not

the people didnt go out and start rioting in the streets in turkey

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>>136445067
>>136445192
Mr br is right you know, shilling for socialism is shilling for (((them)))

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>>136445252
>50 years old cigs and mocca
>Puts it all on a tray
>Appreciates the hiss
>Nice!

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socialism

>>Venezuela has stopped reporting its shortage data after the rate stood at 28 %

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>>136445350
sit down lad

>>136439654
thanks for gestalt anon

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>>136445409

>smells the packet
>that's real tobacco
>takes a draw
>I gotta sit down

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>>136445409

>>136442416
ema a cute

>>136445816
those military grade amphetamines must be very useful before the gym!

>>136440881
>the disruption of the revolution will be televised
close enough

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>>136445968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsVC0nnL2ns

i think he breaks them up into his coffee / hot chocolate (mocha) during the videos

>>136445968
oh aye

>coffee instant
>instant coffee

>>136445512
those people didnt riot against the government you retard

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Bump from Assad himself!

The chain of events in Venezuela will be the same chain of events that take place in the US once the "progressive" democrats and their liberal shills take power. Little by little, we'll arrive at the same point as Venezuela. We probably won't live to see it, but at least we'll die knowing that liberals will end up with what they finally deserve, a bullet in their cranium.

>>136440461

>only plans for a single avenue of funds to support your gibs, which fluctuate at whim
>this is smart

Yeah, no.

political noob here

how did venezuelas shit get so fucked?
also i heard that the government requisitioned peoples property, is that true? it seems insane

>>136449657
>how did venezuelas shit get so fucked?
communism

>>136439499
REMOVE COMMUNIST
I'd rather see an endless civil war that wealth redistribution of expropriated shit of productive minority

>>136445067
more like low-iq retards voting more gibs and mid-iq retards promising them the same
the latter then borrow and expropriate to satiate the former, all for staying in power
it's an age-old story with the same ending every time

the future is libertarian right, not authoritarian left unless the plan is to devolve into nigger-like tribalism of hunter-gatherers

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so when is Sean Penn going to come save the day?

What are the chances this gets to ISIS tier fighting (i.e. gopro footage of urban warfare/base attacks, taking control of supply lines/financial institutions)?

>>136451827
>commiespics
>able to afford second-hand gopros

Is the CIA actually starting a civil war so communism isn't shown to work ever?

>>136451997
this ain't ukraine, you don't need CIA meddling to bring a failing society with failing economy to its knees

>>136449657
You have means of production? Prove that it belongs to you. Not good enough! It belongs to the people now :)

>>136452962
must be why they are on the bleeding edge of research and development... NOT
communist are only capable of is stealing/looting, terrorizing and making everyone equally poor while subsidising the absolute shit-tier genes of the society

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO7S2lniYp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FopEbzKkw

new info about the Operation David

>>136456169
what's the gist of it? no speako beanero

>>136451827
Situation is a mess but still not that bad atm. As long as there are no weapon crates from whomsoever (US, Russia, China, Soros / NGOs, Org crime syndicates, etc.) inbound I wouldn't count on massive urban warfare yet. Stones and fireworks only get you so far. Might also change if parts of the military actually defect or if military storage facilities get successfully raided.

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>>136441314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5zVtifGxQE

>>136456169
You have already witnessed operation David, to take the guns of the people, I will lead operation ninja to attack the leaders of the narco gangs

Realistically, how would we smuggle weapons and ammunition into Ven? Does the government even have control of the ports?

Also, how do we start accepting thick qt latina refugees into the country?

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>>136460928
Most likely through Colombia since we have military ties an they border venezuela and we shoul allow the thicc ven gfs while the mn fight for their country. I already hooked up with one from my work. It was pretty funny I asked her about madero and she went on a Tyrade saying the is should assassinate him and shit

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>>136461172
Fucking phone autocorrect I really need to proofread my shit

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>>136439154
>communism
They should have asked us about our past, that would save them a lot of trouble.

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>>136439615
Helicopter pilot junta, mate

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>>136461550
>Communists
>Having a brain

You can only pick one anon

>Communist faggots who destroy the economy vs neoliberals who want foreign nations to own all oil riches and get all the profit
>Who is the good guy?

NONE.
I wish it were a fascist revolution. Hugo Chavez fucked the economy bad. He should just nationalized what was primary strategic resources and companies. He should have allowed some transnationals to prosper on Venezuela. He fucked it up bad, and now Venezuela will never have another shot on nationalism after Maduro falls.

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>>136445067

Does the opposition have any weapon and arms? How many cops and military has died?

When will you start to throw out commies from the helicopter?

>Vatican calls on Venezuela to suspend constitutional assembly
Everyone loves socialism, until it is time to do socialist shit

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>>136451997

>>136461924
>Does the opposition have any weapon and arms?
No. Only humans have weapons and they are socialists.

>How many cops and military has died?
Too few to actually there is a happening

>When will you start to throw out commies from the helicopter?
They have to, literally, hunt rats to have something to eat. They cannot afford helicopter fuel.

I, myself, hope the government crack down on the country very hard, very very hard way. Millions of dead at least. They DESERVE it, they WANTED it and they AREN'T HUMANS either. As farm animals they need to be sacrificed for the greater good of mankind, so next time a slut comes around saying my guns are bad I can tell her to go to Venezuela if she likes socialism that much.

Remember to feel happy over their suffering because they are no gun faggots.

>>136461832
>Complains about nationalization of industries
>Endorses Fascism, which involves nationalization of industries

>>136462274
*[...]to actually believe there [...]

>>136449657
>how did venezuelas shit get so fucked?
Subhumans + socialism

>>136462405
nobody actually wants italian fascism. nazis werent fascist.

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>tfw escaped Venezuela before it went to shit

>>136442954
maybe a cheap silencer?

>>136462405

It doesn't impede economies or the private sector, it nationalize only whats strategic.

Whats the point of being a third world plainly liberal nation? To be plundered and raped by the north rich nations? To sell all your minerals for banana price? Goddamn, NO.

>>136462676
There is no such thing as strategically nationalizing any industry. Nationalization is pleb-tier and shitty 100% of the time.

>>136445067
socialism has a central bank you stupid fuck

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>>136462645
I know that feel

>>136462768
National Socialists think that central banks are okay when they do it, because they're low IQ retards who think that they can essentially have the same policies as commies, and it will work in their case because it's done with "nationalistic" intentions.

>>136463025
authoritarian age is ending
we shall overcome

>>136462676
Your advice is somewhat marred by Brazil's economic history. I'll stick to the track record and not your hallucinations.

>>136463164
I hope so, brother.

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>>136439154
> Civil War Imminent Edition
Nah it's just based Maduro squashing domestic terrorists who are backed by the CIA

>>136463739

So we should sell you all our minerals to america, for a super low price, while you make strategic reserve out of them, like you did it so many times, because somehow this is whats best for us.

>>136462756
Yeah, China nationalized their social media, just to avoid being snooped by the americans. I call that smart. Nationalizing the oil is also okay in my book. You can intervene only in very specific markets, instead of interfering with the entire market, like Chavez did.

The whole point is that plain neoliberalism is as bad as the commies.

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>>136463739

Yeah, no...
We privatized lots of government business, for like 1% of the real value, while giving permits for foreigners to control our mineral reserves, all for neoliberalist policies.

Vale do Rio Doce, was actually bought by George Soros, the same faggot, who appointed the directors of Brazilian FED.

Alternate that shit, with a fucking commie scum mongoloid for 3 turns, and we get where we are now.

I wish Enéas had won.

>>136463961
>based Maduro
previous century called for you, subhuman
kike commie tyrants lording over illiterate serfs using ideas of looting, terrorizing, genociding and expropriating are no longer en vogue

>>136439154
Is there any fascist or ultranationalist movement in Venezuela right now?

>>136464281
Accuse Communism for what Capitalists regularly do instead of admitting this whole thing was set up by the US government which is trying to overthrow another sovereign country for oil.

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I hate when commushits defend banana republics, they obviously don't know fucking shit about what happens there and try to damage control a fucking lost cause.

>>136464484
> for oil.
The fuck are you talking about?Do you even know what type of oil does Venezuela have?USA would profit nothing from it because it would be costly to refine Venezuela oil.Why are you western commies so retarded?

>>136464484
>mom but they do it too
where have you read anything I wrote that favours any kind of authoritarian state?
no state should be sovereign, only the people, which means no taxes, no public property only private property and all land is allodial, inalienable personal rights defendable by any means necessary, voluntary association...

notice how these concepts exclude subhumans incapable of rational thought, foresight, respect for others and their property and similar masterrace concepts

>>136464475

Now is the right time. Venezuela is the biggest reserve of oil on the entire world. I don't want to see it fall on the fags hands. I wish a hardline military coup, with a sense of economics to take on. America Latina unida!

>>136464909
Where did you read me talking to my mother?

I said you are blaming Communism for Capitalist failures

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that truck needs pic related to keep the zombies away.

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>>136465050
Yeah sure those millions of people who died in the name of 'cultural revolution' under Mao was because of Capitalist failures.

>>136465313
>Nepal
Opinion discarded

you can thank the capitalist pigs over at the CIA for this
the US gov cares more about oil than the lives of millions of people
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/04/venezuela-crisis-the-us-wants-its-country-back/
http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-tearing-venezuela-apart/218335/

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>>136465424
The absolute state of western communists.And isn't communist supposed to represent equality?So why're you being racist to me?

>>136465570
What if we archive that

>https://counterpunch org/2017/08/04/venezuela-crisis-the-us-wants-its-country-back
https://archive.is/LLKbO

>>136464475
No, even the opposition is quite left leaning

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>>136460928
>Does the government even have control of the ports?
Does the US? Somehow there is no shortage of drugs here. With the right connections established, it wouldn't take much to get a significant amount of small arms or any other contraband into a country.

>>136465583
they are in the wrong, therefore they can get their point across either irrationally to subhumans that buy it or through violence upon non-subhumans

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I want my country free of communist

>TFW I see people (socialist) in Spain supporting Maduro
>TFW socialist fags try to explain me what's happening when I lived in Venezuela for 24 years
>TFW when I tell them all the things I know
>some people STFU,others try to convince me and they think they know more of Venezuela than I do

Socialism is cancer

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>>136465824
>So why're you being racist to me?
Because I don't give a shit about the opinions of people who openly tolerate slavery while worshiping the poo gods.

>>136439154

It was confirmed that the dox of Anon5 was a false flag.

>>136451997
CIA doesn't have to do shit at this point, Venezuela is slipping pas the point of no return economically

Since the dawn of mankind hunger has been one of the most consistent motivators for change, the military are people as well with families, when they can't get food that is when things will get real

If the US decides to impose sanctions on their energy industry, it is over for Maduro I think, they wouldn't be able to pay literally anyone or buy food

>>136466436
>CIA doesn't have to do shit at this point
Then it shouldn't do shit

>>136466553
It isn't doing anything, we'd know if they were

The opposition is being rounded out, they are out gunned significantly, if the CIA was involved there would have been a near endless stream of weapons flow over from Colombia along with elements of the Venezuelan military switching sides due to bribery

We know how the CIA operates, and we haven't seen any signs they are involved or making any kind of impact in the country (yet)

If the CIA was truly involved and committed, Venezuela would have gone hot weeks ago

>>136466315
I look at it like this: I don't project my values, my traditions and my circumstances on any out-groups; there are loads of different "cultures" on this planet that haven't evolved societally for this or that reason e.g. sandniggers can't into anything but benevolent tyranny, niggers can't into anything above primitive tribalism, chinks can't into anything but group think, russians can't into anything but personality cult and so on
by virtue of appearing here and engaging in discourse with other anons he is not a slave, at least he's honest enough not to hide behind anachronistic heraldry like (you)

>>136466399
ind that's gives you right to being racist with me while you cry 'WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACISTS COMMUNIST ECONOMY YEEEEEEY' in your developed capitalist country?How does it justify it?Atleast we're working in it and we're not prtending we don't have problems. Quality of life,equality,gender equality,same sex marriage,etc. many more have vastly improved in these past few years since Maoists threw monarchy

>>136439403
*Join and starve

>>136466758
>It isn't doing anything, we'd know if they were
Look at >>136463961
The officer who is leading the "rebellion" fled to the US and now returns, coincidence?

>>136439259
Global Socialism works great, not for you goyim, but it is set up so that a handful of people can help themselves to your treasury, and redistribute it as need to win more nations over to (((global communism)))

enjoy the ride!

>>136467121
>expats returning home at the peak of protests

this literally happens in every single revolution, this isn't abnormal

the guy lead a near suicide attack on a base with 20 dudes and zero outside support, they did it to capture weapons, if it was the CIA they wouldn't have had to have done that and killed their elements prematurely

>>136467283
>CIA never tries to make terrorists seem like freedom fighters
Taliban were gud boys who dindu nuffin

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Jesus entire time i thought /leftypol/ were decent and non-racist who could hold arguments but i was wrong.In this entire thread this western communist is just shouting CIA and being openly racist just because i'm from a poor country.I'm gonna screencap this entire thread for near future.Is entire /leftypol/ racist like this?

>>136466758
That's just not true. We don't know the extent of US influence until data is leaked. When it does, it's not uncommon to find out that influence has been happening for many years before conflict reaches an inflection point.
>https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

>>136467476
The mujaheddin was an organization numbering in the hundreds of thousands with billions of dollars of military equipment.

This as one extremely reckless former military officer trying to capture weapons to try and daisy chain further attacks against the Maduro regime.

Don't even pretend you can compare the two, and I'm not even sure what you're arguing seeing as I described the same CIA methods earlier and none of which are being seen in Venezuela at the moment (could easily change though, all it takes is a few trucks full of guns and RPG-7s from Colombia to make shit go hot).

>>136467638
Indeed, there are subtle methods the CIA could be conducting such as HUMINT (standard) and attempts to find suitable indigenous elements to turn against the "cause".

We won't know for sure, but in terms of direct action the CIA hasn't done anything worth of note in Venezuela (yet).

>>136467538
>/leftypol/
they are a bunch of larping dependent household members whose daily routine includes piss bottles and staring at their lunch plate in silence while gorging on mommy's food so they can gtfo the dining room asap thereby escaping the condescending gaze of disappointment and disapproval coming from their parents' faces
they probably have failed studies behind them, no prospects for the future but reliance on welfare, nothing of note to inherit and face a steady decline after their parents kick the bucket and government ponzi schemes come to a halt, that's why they fantasize of a trannical society that forces everyone down to their level

>>136467862
>This domestic terrorist is actually a freedom fighter
>The domestic terrorist of whom we said they were freedom fighters in the past weren't
>But this time we are for real

>>136465787

Yes it does, somethings just slip through occasionally

>>136445067

Imagine being this retarded.

>>136468077
Fighting against Communist Tyranny and starvation is not terrorism. The government does not have the support of the people and as a result patriots are coming out of the wood work to organize and fight against it.

We've seen this happen for a century now, but please, keep whiteknighting a Communist Regime that is suppressing it's people. Their day will come and it has already begun. The CIA could easily push things over the edge and flood Venezuela with the resources necessarily to start throwing Commies out of helecopters a la 1970s Chile.

>>136468248
>Throwing stones at the police
>Not terrorism
>Attacking the military
>Not terrorism
>Burning cars
>Not terrorism
Ok

>>136448690

>>136465060
Wouldn't last two seconds in an urban environment would probably rip up a gas main and blow it's self up.

>>136468651
Fighting against a Communist Dictatorship is the definition of patriotism, its why the people are overwhelmingly in favor of the government stepping down and the governtment's inability to secure anywhere near the amount of votes needed their their made up assembly.

But yes, please, continue to white knight these Commies, they'll all be starving and switching sides the moment the money stops flowing (which is already starting to).

https://twitter.com/Antikaratel/status/894184307715166213

>>136468651
Moral ground is founded on either the winners or a just cause, a corrupt government is a cause for dissent. History is always written by the winners, and you could even argue that the Bolshevik revolution was terrorism. Every revolution is terrorism on paper.

>>136467476
I DEFEND the taliban

They put women in their due place.

>>136468821
>Russians

fucking kek why are they even supporting Maduro he has nothing they want other than to fuck with the US or is that enough reason alone?

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>>136468651
>Throwing stones at the police
>Attacking the military
>Burning cars
Huuum it's almost like Communism is a terrorist ideology.Really makes you think huh

>>136468248
It's neither communist nor a tyranny you utter moron.

>The government does not have the support of the people
Wrong they win every elections fair and square, which is why the opposition wants a coup rather than elections they know they would lose (can't win elections when your program is only good for the top 1%).
>patriots are coming out of the wood work to organize and fight against it
>patriots
Is this how you spell jews or cia assets?

Go suck a kike, clown.

>>136468858
>Government spreads oil wealth among the people
>Immoral corruption
>Government spreads oil wealth among a small group of people who are friends with the political leadership
>Moral and not corruption
We have different definitions of the word moral and corruption

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>>136469078
>Wrong they win every elections fair and square

>>136468248
Also there's no starvation in Venezuela, it's a fucking hoax, under the tropics food is plentiful.

>>136469078
Wrong it's proven this election was rigged, just Google it.

>>136469078
>Wrong they win every elections fair and square

Categorically false, there is no indication Maduro has democratic support which is why he created the National Assembly as a parallel political organ to side step the democratic process and push his goals through. Very similar to how Cuba is setup at the moment.

You realize the parliament is opposition majority, correct? No, you don't, you're just a shill who knows nothing about the reality of the situation.

This Communist Dictatorship is being slowly chipped away by popular protest, the people can only take so much before things get real. When people have no food and the government is responsible, what the fuck do you think is going to happen.

>>136469244
That oil wealth has been squandered for almost 20 years now, Chavez especially had an amazingly inept run at spending tens of billions of dollars on programs that virtually all failed and attracted massive corruption, particularly with the military.

Why are there so many flagless shills in this thread whiteknighting Maduro? Hes literally a retard lmao

>>136469367
HAHAHAH WHAT?!!?!?

>>136462645
VIVA MADURO
SIFRINO ! ESCUALIDO DOLARIZADO

>>136469367
UMA

>>136469385
>implying starving sifrino manlets can do anything
Dont be a feminist!let wealthy women suffer and let all the chads and beta orbiters who enable them also suffer.

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>>136469367

>>136469385
>Why are there so many flagless shills in this thread whiteknighting Maduro?
Implying the whole western media from FoxNews over CNN to MSNBC isn't calling Maduro evil and bad.

I'm the white knight because I'm not a retard who listens to fake news. Ok

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>>136469699
Says the person spewing Telesur propaganda all day.

>>136469679
DELICIA
>>136469507
why aren't you there? you could use a 1000kcal diet to strengthen your revolutionary spirit that aids in catching rats, I hear

>>136469699
Then why did you cite sources done by a western organization while arguing with me??

>>136469699
Western new has literally nothing to do with a Communist Dictatorship subverting the democratic process and creating their own rubberstamp parliament via fraudulent votes to cling onto power.

The opposition is the majority in the real parliament and has the vast majority of Venezuelans are unhappy with the ruling party to the point of the economy breaking down due to civil unrest.

Love how you ran out of arguments so you bring up fucking Fox News, like holy shit get it together you commie faggot lmao.

>>136469679
DELICIA

>>136469798
Wtf is even Telesur?
>>136469877
>Western new has literally nothing to do with a Communist Dictatorship
Maduro is a socialist and a democratically elected one. I don't particularly like him because he's too liberal.

>>136469812
THERE IS NO LACK OF FOOD THERE
its all a huge media psyops,crisis actors,so on.

>>136470012
Maduro LITERALLY had to create his own parliament via fraudulent voting to stay in power due to the parliament calling for a vote of no confidence.

Like holy fuck how are you even arguing this? Brainless shills defending commies lmao.

>>136465787

That's because narcos are allied with Maduro, same thing probably with the black market.

>>136470031
Wrong Maduro is personally going around stealing all the food. I saw it on CNN

>>136470181
This, it is common knowledge the biggest drug runners in Venezuela are the military. With the collapse of the economy and payments and food being rare, of course a blackmarket will thrive and who better to run it than the guys with the guns and logistic capability to run it? It is why the higher ups are so fucking scared of Maduro getting ousted because they know they are next.

>>136470102
>Election results I don't like are fraudulent
>Putin needs to give back Crimea
>Clinton won
Your hypocrisy reeks. Is your nickname Reek?

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>>136470211
>I'm not a retard who listens to fake news
>I saw it on CNN

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>>136470012
If you don't know even that much then I can safely assume you're an ignorant first worlder LARPing as a communist.
Venezuela is in shambles because the government took over the economy and made a bet with the nation's wealth which resulted in 95% of their exports being oil. When prices went down it blew up in their faces. Shortages are a result of inflation (which was intensified due to bill printing) and price fixing. Both Maduro policies.
Want to know why the military loves him so much? Because he put them in charge of food supplies and now the armed forces are running their own black market.
Dumb first world communists should do the world a favor and kill themselves.

>>136470031
right, I'll let that be verified a decade from now to see how a generation of malnourished children with arrested development did on an abundance of marxist thought diet

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>>136469699

>Implying the whole western media from FoxNews over CNN to MSNBC isn't calling Maduro evil and bad.

What the media says and whether Maduro is or isn't evil is irrelevant.
His government is done.

>>136470500
>His government is done.
It's not, but your fascist friends will have to leave Venezuela. Maybe you want to take them?

>>136470337
Why are you attempting to steer the conversation away from the topic at hand? It is proven the election was extremely fraudulent. This has nothing to do with the west, or even Crimea, why do you keep trying to bring this up?

The majority of the parliament is in opposition hands and Maduro was forced to establish his own parallel parliament to avoid being impeached and to change the constitution to rule even without the popular support of the people.

Are you denying the opposition is the majority of Venezuela despite this information being publicly available on the internet?

Are you denying Maduro was forced to establish the National Assembly to prevent from being ousted?

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>>136439154
I'm largely displeased with my life. Wondering if I could get involved in this conflict just for the hell of it.

>>136465583
they are few suburban teenagers larping as red guards and coming up with horrible '' memes '' , pay no attention

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>>136470031

so literally my friends in venezuela since 2010 are paid actors and they tell me lies how the place was entering to hell ?

>>136470620
I'm saying your guys are going to lose, because the Venezuelan people don't want the CIA to pick a regime for them.

Like the Crimean people didn't want the CIA regime from Kyiv to tell them what to do.

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>>136470603

>It's not, but your fascist friends will have to leave Venezuela.

He can kill and chase away as many "fascists" as he wants, it doesn't change the fact that the state he is leading is slowly collapsing.

>>136471122
They aren't going to lose, the opposition is the vast majority, people are hungry, the economy is past the point of no return, inflation, corruption, and a sprawling blackmarket combined with national civil unrest has pushed Venezuela to the brink.

Crimea literally NOTHING to do with Maduro and his government establishing a parralel parliament since he lost the support of the people and had to railroad a rubber stamp congress to prevent himself from being ousted.

The opposition is the majority.

Maduro was forced to create the NA in a last ditch attempt to cling onto power, and now independent government agencies have turned on him. It is only a matter of time before this Commie retard gets throw out of a helicopter.

Their economy is in what we call a "hardcrash", there is nothing Maduro can do to stave off collapse at this point.

>>136471298
It's sensible to phase out expensive extraction projects when the oil price is so low.

>>136471389
>They aren't going to lose
They are losing, the army and police force stand with Maduro, all the CIA shills have going for them are stone throwers and a dozen traitors who attacked a military base and uploaded a video to youtube.

>>136471493
Or because Venezuelan Crude is fucking shit combined with massive corruption in the energy industry causing declining performance? Most of their terminals don't even pass inspection dude, do you really have no knowledge of Venezuela and you're just here to whine about the US or something?

>>136471609
But they are losing, are you ignoring all the facts I just presented?

Maduro had to create his his own rubberstamp congress to prevent himself from being ousted.

He doesn't have the support of the people, the economy is in a hardcrash, people are hungry, there are no jobs or money, and elements of police, intelligence services, and the military have started switching sides

You really think the Venezuelan people are going to turn over in the face of a Communist Dictatorship? There is already NATIONAL CIVIL UNREST, it has already started you fucking ape lmao.

>>136471619
>Or because Venezuelan Crude is fucking shit
That's kind of what I implied, extraction costs are too high.

Remember to hide and report communist LARPing shills who literally just come here to shit up the thread and troll everyone. :^)

>>136471822
Why are you ignoring the rest of I wrote? Their energy industry collapsed before prices tanked as well.

I already blew you the fuck out multiple times and all you have to say is "MUH CRIMEA", filtering your ID for now, have a good day.

>>136471774
>in the face of a Communist Dictatorship?
Socialists aren't Communists, Maduro is a Socialist.

And he won multiple elections. Apparently winning elections make you a dictator

Are you trying to say
>Drumpf is not my president?

>>136471609
Of course a dirty fucking communist stands with Maduro.

>>136471954
His party lost their recent elections you retard why do you think they setup the National Assembly? You're trolling at this point.

>>136439259
It's working great! I'm enjoying of full socialism right now here in W(F)inland.

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>>136471609
I already told you why the armed forces sided with him. Why do you conveniently ignore every argument that gets you disproves the nonsense you spew?

>>136472233
He is a troll, notice how he kept trying to steer his "arguments" against me with fucking Crimea and Fox News of all things lmao.

Guy doesn't know shit about Venezuela he is just here to cry about the US.

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>>136471493

>It's sensible to phase out expensive extraction projects when the oil price is so low.

Oil production isn't sinking because they wanted it to.
It's sinking because oil field service providers basically left the country in 2014 when PDVSA stopped paying them for their services. Their oil industry is literally slowly falling apart.
Now the damage done by deferred maintenance is apparently hitting refineries too. There are rumors that they're operating at only about a third of capacity.

>>136472233
Yeah and your right wing buddies are now attacking and hurting soldiers and police officers you deem to be evil.

For me you are just like an Antifa.

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So when is it going to be available to sign up as a foreign fighter?

In a globalism world and economy all wars will be globalized as well.

>>136472469
imagine being an actual attack helicopter dispensing DU munitions and missiles all over communist scum

>>136472362
I'm just saying you don't accept the results of democratic votes when you don't like the result.

That's why you are calling Maduro a Communist dictator instead of calling him an elected socialist president.

>>136472469
I was wondering about that as well, if Venezuela went hot would there be other South Americans going to fight or are South Americans not into that kind of thing?

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Gee I wonder who is behind this (((citizen revolt™ )))

jews sure are starving around the world aren't they?
I mean, venezuelan population fo sho is, but that's pretty much because((( induced petrol crisis on them/global market crisis))) is happinen


don't believe the kike

>>136472555
You understand that the helicopters are firing on your guys who are hiding in the forest like the rats they are?

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>>136472555
It's going to be the opposite in this case, the millitary is going to get all the cool planes and shit, while the rebellion (if it ever happens) will have to rely on guerilla warfare, captured weapons/defected army units and improvised tactics.

Unless Drumpf sends in some air support of course.

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>>136472436
The police and military are corrupt and betrayed their citizenry. And me personally? Please. I have no involvement in the issue I just want Maduro to fall so we don't have to deal with a collapsed neighboring country. 75% of the adult population lost 7+kg over the last year while the military is presiding over food supplies, and that's because they're involved in something as inhuman as food trafficking. Why would I support them?
>>136472614
You're so dumb and uninformed that it's impressive.

>>136472614
The opposition in Venezuela is the vast majority though lol, this isn't Syria with a manufactured "revolution", Maduro is literally a known retard and people are tired of his spergy ass.

Like, Maduro is a legit retard, he is no Chavez either with his once powerful party commanding the majority of support being hemorrhaged by people changing to the opposition.

Another major, major issue is he wants to change the constitution, something hardline "Chavistas" think is abhorrent since Chavez is viewed as a deity almost to them. This could really turn things ugly is there is a "civil war" within the party.

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>>136439154
kill the commies before they fuck up another country again. KEEP THEM AFRAID IS THE ONLY SOLUTION

>>136472770
>I just want Maduro to fall
He won't, the military and police is loyal to it's government.

All the right wing has going for it are Jihadist tier terrorists.

>>136472873
>Podemos
you should be worry

>>136472770
Don't reply to him, he knows nothing about Venezuela and is just here to bitch and moan about Fox News and MUH CRIMEA lol.

He didn't even know Maduro's party got blown the fuck out in the recent elections.

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>>136473024
The police is meant to deal with criminals and the millitary is designed to fight other millitaries. When these are turned againts their own people, it usually ends poorly.

Also 'jihadist tier terrorists' is quite alot, not sure if Maduro can win without foreign support then desu.

I haven't really kept up with all the Venezuela news, but read

>Venezuelan Jews emigrate to Israel to escape social chaos

is all I needed to know. You know shit is bad when the kikes run out on their property .

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>>136439154
Operation: Bolívar is going to be put into effect soon to help Venezuelan Rebels overthrow the government of Maduro join us today.
Discord Code: pyMesj

>>136473034
>He didn't even know Maduro's party got blown the fuck out in the recent elections.
Implying local elections are national elections.

>>136473266
This kek, when the jews start running you know shit is going down

>>136473265
>Implying you can't use the army against foreign backed terrorists who've already killed 119 people

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>>136472799
he's sperging big time, and he is not pointing his finger at the international kike, which is pretty much what he should be doing, yes, those people are controlled opposition, based on the right wing of the country, the people behind them are pretty much CIA kikes

Yep he's trying to go full commy in hopes china/russia can save his ass, unfortunately I don't control global socioeconimics this fucking hard, protip tho, assad is with russia.

But yeah, these people smell of kike big fucking time, they've done this in the past in southern america in several countries, I'm gonna have to ask you to research it, but it is pretty much as real as it gets, for some reason the leftand right kike are fighting eachother around the world, people are getting killed hardcore, meanwhile the kike pulls the strings from a safe distance, that's why shit is sureal and u can't tell what's really going on.

But one thing is for sure, they are trying to swith the country from russa satellite to america satellite, and u kno the international kike is behind warmongering as fuck

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