AnCap & NatSoc

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>>136430100
Tiddy bump

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>>136430100
>Aren't national socialists by definition and practice socialists
It's weird, they will insist that they are socialists all the fucking time, and then when the capitalists call them out on it they will do a 180 and say the opposite.

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>>136430100

>>136430100

You need ethnic nationalism to have a good libertarian society

Through one you get the other when society has been fucked up by shit skins and niggers

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>>136430100
Libertarians have been sharing a board with National Socialists for almost ten years now. They obviously disagree on a lot of things but they have an equal disdain for commies

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>>136430606
You don't need ethnic nationalism to have a good libertarian society; you need strict enforcement of property rights and contracts. The niggers will naturally die of starvation.

>>136430474
Cause they're liars.

>>136430627
I have equal disdain for you.

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Right-wing: hierarchy is desirable, strength is respected

Left-wing: equality is desirable, weakness is respected

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>>136430100
Because right now we shouldn't care about how right you are, just how white you are

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>>136430980
This is primitive. AnCap is based on using wealth as a proxy for social utility, and allowing the natural forces of capitalism to allocate scarce resources to their best use for social utility. This has absolutely nothing to do and contradicts nazis.

Because they both want to remove commies

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We are allies. Stop causing problems.

If they, filthy nazis, step outside of Germany again to a rape a non-commie state, they get the flamethrower again.

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>>136431265
I'm not white. AnCap has no problem with this, but nazis do. It also means nazis are an existential threat and violate the NAP.

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>>136431517
So it's option a. have a sacrificial failed state for the Aryan LARPers

>>136430100
Libertarians and NatSoc have been allies on this board before you newfags invaded.
We've been united by our hatred for the Jew.
Read up on /pol/s history before shitposting like this

In order for a libertarian right society to work you need to first purge all shitskins and leftists, and then keep promoting the benefits of libertarianism with a strong national identity for future generations. Thus, libertarians need NS to achieve and maintain their goals.

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>>136431766
You don't get a free pass just because you hate jews faggot, i don't care what some idiot neckbeard on 4chinz had to say about it

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>>136431894
Why do you need to purge shitskins and leftists? The whole point of AnCap is that they have exactly zero claim on your property and you have zero obligation to help them. They'll sort themselves or die trying, literally.

>>136431894
Most NS are libertarian at heart, but "live and let live" doesn't work when you're being invaded and leftists want to take your property to pay welfare to a bunch of spics.

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>>136430100
>>136430474
Nazis and other assorted fascists are capitalists. They have no economic answers. Hitler told the bankers one thing and the workers another. He also said economics were ultimately pointless.

>>136430980
>strength is respected
Top kek is this why Communism beat Fascism multiple times in history. Rightists are weak, impotent losers.

>>136430520
Lmao

>>136431418
>(((commies)))
Stop pussyfooting around it.
The problem is the eternal Jew. If they didn't create communism they would've created something else.
Ancaps are soulless fucks that want to live within a neat little Jew controlled world and actually expect to win.
>>136431899
Free pass for what? I don't care for your approval. You've read (((Milton Friedman))) once or twice and watched a lecture by (((Ben Shapiro))) and now treat AnCap like the messiah

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>>136432068
>Top kek is this why Communism beat Fascism multiple times in history
And then capitalism beat communism.

>>136431996
Who wants to live around a bunch of brown "people" or tumblrinas? Besides that, you will never be able to reduce the size of government to a libertarian level as long as you have a bunch of low IQ third worlders allowed as much say in government as the white man. They will never vote away their gibs, therefore they must be purged.

>>136432068
The Roman Empire was fascist and lasted ~2100 years. North Korea and Cuba are the longest lasting communist countries and they are on their last 2 feet.

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>>136432068
Nazis aren't capitalists, how dare you. Nazis are socialists just like you fucks, and you all believe economics is pointless. Which is wrong and why you're all fucking morons.

>strength is respected
And capitalists always win.

>>136432007
No, you can't be NS and be libertarian at heart. You're either willing to use violent political force to impose your authoritarian view on others in violation of the NAP, or you're not. There is no middle ground because you can't define exactly under what conditions you could impose such force, which is why all government always gets fucked in the end.

>>136431996
>they have exactly zero claim on your property

You think they'll care about your shitty NAP meme? They'll gang up and take your property because nearly every other race are racially aware.
Whites are something like 16% of the global population and our people are not racially aware at all. We're a divided people. Strength through unity. Other races and ethnicities will pool their resources to conquer us as they're doing right now in the real world, and as they will do in your fantasy world.

>>136431386
Except in reality wealth is used as a proxy to generate more of itself and resources are sold at the highest possible price after creating artificial scarcity.

>>136430100
Sage threads like this. They're a divide and conquer tactic. Sage goes in the options field.

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>>136431386
If people are different, then divergence of outcomes is to be expected in a capitalist society, and a hierarchy forms naturally. Look at how much the left rails against any form of inequality. No shit nazis are different, but it shares with libertarianism that some form of a hierarchy is desirable even if they disagree on how it should arise, whereas leftist ideologies argue that equality is desirable and that hierarchy is an innate bad and is to be avoided if possible.

>>136430905
>strict enforcement
rather authoritarian of you. how do you plan to pay for this enforcement?

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>>136432153
Don't give a shit about (((Ben Shapiro))) or jews; they have no power if there are no instutional structures of power. Meanwhile good luck running your ethno-nationalist state with Richard Spencer as your new chancellor.

>>136432291
>implying there will be government at all
>implying there will be gibs
>implying any level of government at all is acceptable
This is where you fucked up. Property rights. Contracts. That's it.

>>136432369
Invading hordes of spics stealing my hard earned money and my/my children's birthright doesn't violate the NAP? Importing a bunch of violent niggers and mudslimes which are likely to harm me/my family doesn't violate the NAP?

The answer is yes, it does. And once the NAP is violated, you are free to do what's necessary to resolve the situation.

Ancap is a lifestyle and values of a capitalists.

Nationalism is knowing where you are from, understand your country's strength and be proud and patriotic about it.

Why can't ancap uphold nationalistic values?

Why does it have to be mutually exclusive?

If we don't Unite the Right, then the Left will crush us all in a torrent of social justice-Islamophilia-egalitarian-communist horseshit.

UNITE THE RIGHT!

>>136430100
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136430100
I flirt between pure an-cap/an-primtivism on some days and full out national socialist on the other.

i think it's because ultimately I feel as if society could go in two directions and be strong:

1. homogeneous and powerful like the NSDAP were, complete with advancements in every field of civilization RAPIDLY because of successful the national socialist model of government is and societal framework.

2. that civilization is just a cancer and its best to live in small scattered tribes.

i understand the stupidity 2 of times but its a calling in me nonetheless.

>>136432637
Ok genius, how do you propose implementing your AnCap society? Voting? Like I said, shitskins always vote for bigger government. Always.

The only way is going full NS for a while to purge the land of people who want more government. Period. AnCap/Libertarianism is just a fantasy otherwise.

>>136430100
>AnCap state
hmmm this is making me ponder OP

>>136430228
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136430905
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136430606

Specifically, you need a highly eugenic socius. E-N is a good proxy for eugenics.

>>136431386
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136431546
Sage goes in the options field

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>>136432415
>racially aware gangs want my property
Then shoot 'em. If that doesn't work, use your McBunkerbuster.

>strength through unity
Fuck your "unity"; you're threatening my property. I'll shoot you too.

>>136432488
Wrong. Even with all the shenanigans the world is remarkably good at distributing capital to where it is most efficiently utilized. That's why East Asia is kicking the shit out of the West.

>>136432543
>hierarchy forms naturally
Then why do you have to violently enforce your "hierarchy"? Oh wait, maybe its because the natural hierarchy isn't "whites at the top", it's high-IQ, talented, entrepreneurial people at the top. Don't pretend like only whites fall in that.

>>136432571
Consenting parties have a reason to create mutual enforcement of property rights, because it distributes the cost burden but increases the likelihood people will abrogate in the first place. Adding in third parties makes it even more easily enforceable with scaling network effect returns. All while remaining entirely voluntary, in whole or in part.

>>136431651
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136431899
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136430100
Because capitalism has to exist in the USA, and mostly USA posters on this board, so capitalism isn't outright fought by national socialists. You'd make a mistake thinking a direct copy of any past government or philosophy isn't good; each great thing like national socialism has to be catered to a specific moment in time

>>136431996
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136432068
Marxists are the capitalists' attack dogs who do not know true socialism. That includes yourself.

>hurr lend lease was nothing but LOOK HITLER MADE TRADES WITH FOREIGN BANKS OH MAH GAWD CAPITALISM!!

>>136432369
Sage goes in the options field.

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>>136432991
>niggers go in the cotton field.

>>136432637
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136431546

I'm Hispanic and quasi-AnCap; however, I do despise The Jews.

>>136432637
Interesting. And how exactly do you plan on convincing the Jews to just give up their institutional powers?
The only people that are going to vote for AnCap are some 15-30 year old white males, and a couple token based black guys™ from reddit
It's not going to be a democratic uprising, that won't be allowed, and you faggots are too pussy to ever fight for it physically because that violates a NAP

>>136433005
Sage goes in the options field.

The majority of ancaps are non whites who want to have an edgy ideology but aren't principled enough for fascism. 90% of them haven't read a single book.

It's utterly non nonsensical to think that anarchy won't end up in what will basically be small ethnic micro states in some sort of feudal hierarchy.

>>136430474
>>136430905
>taking bait posts by larpers using meme flags seriously
Wouldn't be surprised if you faggots are trolls.

>>136431894

NS endorses economic authoritarianism. Political authoritarianism and economic freedom are compatible (see Pinochet); you don't NS economics for that.

Sage goes in the options field.
captcha: Select all squares that match the label:
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>>136431894
>lolbertarianism
>NS
What the fuck are you smoking?

>>136433267
Damn right brother

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>>136431546
you do realize that there were colored nazis aswell? like turks, muslims (not a race), blacks, Asians. everybody was a nazi... even some jews. but national socialism is basically: No Race mixing.

>>136433132
This.
>hurr durr in an AnCap society there would be no state in the first place!
So how do you plan on reaching that point?
>durrrrr
The only way is violent overthrow/purges
>BUT THAT VIOLATES THEN NAP!!!

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>>136433132
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>>136432881
>>136432821
>how are you gonna take over the world to make the AnCap state anon?
I'm not trying to fucking take over the world, that's the point. I'm going to buy/build a little private island in international water, create a basic system of enforcement of property and contract rights coded onto a blockchain, and then buy a missile defense system and shoot anybody/anything who comes within 10 miles without authorization.

>>136432291

They would be physically removed. A combination of private security drones and gentrification would be de facto ethnic cleansing.

>>136433332
I was going to remind them of this, but really, the best thing to do is to just put sage in the options field and hit post.

>>136433411
Sage goes in the options field.

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>>136433332
I don't care what color shitskin you convinced to be nazi, it's a stupid ideology that will lead down the exact same path as all (((socialist))) autocracies.

>>136433409
This is my spit of land. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

Sage goes in the options field.

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>>136430100
Keep Your Friends Close and Your Enemies Closer

>>136433411
>"""anarchist""" capitalism
>forms a state immediately to defend economic hierarchy
uhhh hmmmm

>>136433568
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136433411
Right, okay.
So you're going to live a basic agrarian life style. No one will trade with you. Nor will ever have enough money for a missile defence system, nor will you have money for an island.
Nice fantasy tho. It's good to dream big.

>>136433411
Nobody accused you of wanting to take over the world retard
>durr I'll have a private island an sheeeit
Sure you will. The rest of us want real solutions for where we already live and not some fairy tale bullshit.

>>136433158

But I'm a non-White quasi-AnCap and I want Jews purged.

>It's utterly non nonsensical to think that anarchy won't end up in what will basically be small ethnic micro states in some sort of feudal hierarchy.

That's literally what I want.

>>136430100
>Why are these two seen as allies on this board?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It is no different then how feminists are now allied with muslims. Islam has the exact opposite principles of feminism, but they both hate white males and Christianity.

AnCap and Natsoc have common enemies.

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>>136433603
That's a great image

>>136433625
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>>136433728
>>136433766
Guess where sage goes.

>>136433842
Answer: The options field.

>>136433877
You have to be 18 to use this board

>>136433824
Sage

>>136433944
goes

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>>136433824
thanks m8

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the only way to win is together against (((them)))

>>136430100
>Aren't national socialists by definition and practice socialists
no

>>136433307
There's different degrees of libertarianism, dumbshit. Besides that, myself and others have been pointing out there's simply no way to achieve a libertarian society as long as shitskins and leftists exist in your nation, so you have to deal with that problem first before you can even consider your degree of libertarianism.

>>136433978
in

>>136433979
the

>>136433996
options

>>136433307
Meant for
>>136433267

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>>136433614
>voluntary contractual obligations and their enforcement
>state
not the same thing.

>>136433625
What are Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai

>>136433699
So if Elon Musk had this idea, it would be a good one, but because it's anon, no dice. Also they make artificial islands already, and deep water electrical generation exists (OTEC).

>>136433728
this.

>>136433766
But do we agree that once the communists are gone, we have to get rid of the nazis too?

>>136434010
field.

>>136430100
If we're united by anything, it's that we'll give nothing to the useless. No matter who you side with, that will always be an improvement.

>>136434087
Sage.

>>136430100

Both are highly Darwinistic, either through capitalism or eugenics.
AnCap can only work with an ethnocentric homogeneous moral and religious people, the same things NS strives to protect.
Both are also highly hierarchical, NS has the Führer and AnCap will lead to a strong dictator/king to maintain propery rights and kick out any commies.

>>136430100
just another reminder that """AN""""-CAPs are quite literally not anarchists
thats not a political statement its a factual one

>>136430100
When we are at peace we are AnCap. When we are at war we are NatSoc.

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>>136434096
Fuck off leaf, your superiors are talking.

>>136434222
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>>136434290
>seriously replying to these d&c threads
>seriously trying to argue with these d&c threads
>not just putting sage where it goes (options field) and posting
Sage goes in the options field. Put it where it belongs. Set it free.

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>>136430100
Because Ancaps are people who choose to be retarded and Nazis are people who choose to be retarded.

For God's sake, they both think they're rightists.

>>136434010
Yeah but socialism (not marxist) implies a willingness to give up shit to benefit the whole which makes it incompatible with libertarianism not to say there isn't liberty allowed in places.

You're probably thinking of fascistic libertarian which makes sense if we're talking about USING the systems/ways considered libertarian in an organic state.

>muh shitskins and leftists


>>136434222
>NS
>Darwinist
Maybe socially but definitely not economically.

>Anarchy
>Dictator/King
WTF is wrong with you

>>136434087
>tfw someone posts oc you made years ago

>>136434374
>mom I called him a leaf again!
>do I fit in yet?
Sage goes in the options field.

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>>136434222
AnCap doesn't lead to a dictator/king, it leads to small fiefdoms with similar but varying degrees of "law" made up of voluntary agreements between the citizens of the fiefdom. Anyone who doesn't like a particular law can relatively freely "move" to another. No fiefdom is going to commit suicide by offering free gibs because then everyone will move there, and similar no fiefdom is large enough to attack others because they can't suffer the retaliation of the rest.

These nazis aren't eugenicists, they're white supremacists. They don't care that asians have higher IQ or that blacks are more athletic, they only want blonde + blue eyes.

>>136434484
Shit I forgot to put sage in the options field this time. I guess I'll just double sage.

>>136434535
And an extra sage for you.

>>136430100
We both know you need a white ethnostate for our survival, the role of the state can be discussed in the ethnostate after all our enemies are dead

>>136434537
>>136434484
>>136434578
Sage only makes it so your post doesn't bump the thread.

>>136434582
Sage goes in the options field.

>>136434648
You're forgetting that I'm also taking up posts. Every sage brings us closer to the thread limit.

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>>136434481
Assuming you're not LARPing, I post it a lot :)

>>136434484
Who the fuck elected you as janitor? Shut the fuck up we have enough "is it ok to race mix if she's a cute nigger" thread

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We are not allies in the long run. We are mere strategic allies in the fight against the mainstream Left and Communists. NatSocs are Leftists.

Shameless sage, just 'cause.

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>>136434648
Real Libertarians aren't scared of dissent, disagreement, or debate.

We value the marketplace of ideas.

>>136434087
>Hong Kong
Long history, both through China and through England.
>Singapore
Also another country with long history that has its formation entwined with ww2
>Dubai
I'm going to assume you mean UAE. In which case it's a formation of 7 authoritarian emirates working together with a load of oil. Not too sure how any of this is meant to prove your point.

I don't doubt small nations can exist. I just doubt that you personally will ever be able to make them exist. The 3 places you mentioned all exist because it was in the interests of entities far more powerful than you or I

>>136434798
That's what I figured. Why the fuck is it so toxic to discuss AnCap and NatSocs?

>>136434434
Is working together with your volk, giving up your time, resources, and possibly life to remove those that stand in the way of libertarianism not in a way socialist? There is literally no other option to implement libertarianism at this point. None.

>ITT Shareblue tries to divide and conquer
not gonna happen shills

>>136434415
This is an important conversation conversation to have because we've been flooded by a bunch of new fags from Reddit that don't understand shit

>>136434769
The point is that this is all long settled on /pol/ and your shitposting thread only serves to divide the right. You're either doing this because you're a newfag, or you're doing it on purpose because you're a shill. Either way, fuck off retard. Sage goes in the options field.

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>>136430100
We can either fight together or die alone.

>co-exist
Why the hell couldn't we? We would have a non-threatening neighbor, and you would have an inwardly-focused one that leaves you alone.

Commies and globalists are the ones who like to meddle with everyone else/steal shit. Just keep your degeneracy on your own side of the wall and we will be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg9hhQ8K4a0

>>136434415
But I don't want to sage. I want to bump.

>>136431546
You're a fucking idiot, of the nazi's are the owners of property, they control it and can tell you to take your nigger genes elsewhere

>>136434893
If you consider your people, your socios "libertarian" then sure.

>>136434535

Maybe I should've used the word autocrat instead of dictator.
AnCap will lead to you being your own """king""" of your own private property or voluntarily electing an autocrat to protect your property for you. The strongest, most virtuous, and most intelligent person will always come on top of the social hierarchy, certainly because AnCap is based on Darwinism, or at least economic Darwinism.
Of course, it's your choice if you want to move to another fiefdom.
Democracy is absolute shit and just a light form of socialism so to keep socialism/communism from emerging we have to purge any and all democrats/socialists/equalitarians
National socialists can fuck off to their own countries

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>>136434867
Ok so now that we've established small states can exist, are we literally just talking about the money now?

For example, suppose I rent a used-up oil rig in the South Pacific that's in international jurisdiction, and then stop paying rent (or just buy it from whoever claims to "own" it). It's not in any country's jurisdiction, which literally makes you subject to no sovereign law except arguably maritime law, which is actually very protective of international jurisdictions. At this point, if you could convince people to move there, does it work?

>>136434989
Fine by me so long as the thread is shitposted to its limits.

>>136434945
This is actually a sensible argument to make. Perhaps we should assemble some sort of infographic to counter these types of threads though, instead of letting the board be flooded with them a gorillion times a day in an obvious attempt to divide us.

>>136435187
Cheeky sage.

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>>136434952
I don't think uniting the right by saging legitimate discussion is very libertarian; it sounds like the AnCaps on this board are just cucks that let nazi LARPers run wild

>>136434798
We're fighting against Jews. Not their tools that you guys constantly talk about
>>136434433
>they both think they're rightists.
ND don't think they're right. Go to any NS forum and they'll legit laugh down anyone who uses the word "right", "left", "conservative" or "liberal". We're the third path.
>>136434952
As I said, there are many newfags on this board. And they need to see this. At the moment, they think anyone and everyone that isn't full an-cap is their enemy.

>>136435209
There are plenty you just have to look.
You could also head over to 8gag and check if any of the oldfags have some good macros for you.

>>136434769
did you find it on /v/?

>>136435299
>2017
>being a tryhard failtroll
All you did was start a semi serious conversation between newfags. What a fucking disgrace.

>>136435187
>a used up oil rig in the middle of the ocean
Exactly how are you going to feed yourself or produce anything of value to trade for food? You're going to eat fish all day every day and die of scurvy?
Arable land is everything.

>>136435187
If your ultimate goal is to live on an oil rig in the pacific with 25 other like-minded people awaiting death, I'll tell you, I'm honestly impressed.
I didn't think anyone could honestly aspire for so little.
I implore you to run away to the end of the earth and sit on a cold, floating chunk of metal until you die. While the rest of us actually try to make a difference and save our Volk.

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This dichotomy is fucking stupid, anarcho-capitalism is a very open-ended ideology, and can theoretically fit with any other system. The defining point of anarcho-capitalism is private property and contract based society. If the owner of a commune or place of property only wants to let whites live on his property, whatever. If he wants his property to operate in a fascistic way, fine. There is nothing in anarcho-capitalsim that precludes authoritariansim - in fact, it's lack of rules and federal governing structure means it can adopt whatever system the property owners want.

>>136435299
You can go and have this discussion somewhere else, it's already been had here, and settled. Sage goes in the options field.

I'm always surprised by the willful ignorance of the vast majority of users on this site. It'd take you no more than five minutes of research to discover that the NSDAP were not socialists.

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>>136435186
Something like that. Probably a group of people and it will be structured more like a corporate board and management team.

>>136435300
You're not a third path, you're socialists like the rest of them. The most you can try to wiggle into is being "national capitalist" but then it's just being racist AnCaps. And nazis ARE the enemy, just like communists. Don't you know anything about being American?

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>>136434952
This. OP is not coming into this discussion seeking understanding, but to posture and "win" the argument. I'm seeing a lot of nitpicking instead of addressing the central point or admitting that it has some validity, along with using misrepresentations of non-ancap ideologies to buttress his posts (e.g. >>136433005 natsoc is "whites at the top"). Of course, this makes me even more racist since I've observed this pattern of behavior occurring disproportionately in Indians, and OP is further confirmation.

>>136433979
this ancap & natsoc friends forever meme is like a backup backup backup plan in case the shit truly hits every single fan then the j00s will infiltrate through the nazis and begin the degenerate game all over again....

i understand more and more everyday why they were kicked out of so many places.

>>136430100
Both Natsoc and Ancap agrees the weak should fear the strong we just disagree on how to organize society. Once you accept that hierarchy is preferable you are more or less just arguing about the role of government which is a much easier argument to have when you don't have commies ruining it with there leftist cancer

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>>136435355
Found it on /pol/ a long time ago

>>136435378
I wanted a legitimate discussion about it so I could shit on some nazis.

>>136435398
OTEC + biorock, cultivate mangrove wetlands and use cold water from deep sea to chill condensers over the mangroves for freshwater + distillation for drinking water, fresh and saltwater aquaponics for protein sources and vegetables, import grains, chickens don't need much sq.ft. either.

Arable land is a meme in the age of 21st century engineering, lad.

>>136435657
“…it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism.” (The Coming of the Third Reich, Evans, p. 173)

>>136435709
Explain NatSoc then.

>>136435493
Exactly, what the fuck are they going to do out there all day? Watch rust slowly eat away their cold damp tiny steel island until it finally disintegrates because they produce nothing of value to trade for maintenance? Hurray we're totally free...and can't do anything at all.
>we'll have rich investors fund the seastead!
And when the money dries up because there's no profit to be made on a group of neckbeards starving to death in the middle of the ocean, what then?

>tfw I used to be one of these people promoting seasteading.

>>136435918
See

>>136436033

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>>136435972
You are a moron. This is literally straight from the wikipedia on NatSoc:
>We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
>State
>Job
>Welfare
Socialist.

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>>136436033
>deep sea drilling
>deep sea mining
>ultimate tax haven & financial industry
>marine biologist dream
>domestic employment (operating OTEC plants, solar panels, aquaponics systems, etc)
>green technology hub
>tourism
It's not seasteading. It's literally building a city-state from the ground (water) up.

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>>136436033
Apparently it is called seasteading. Cool!

>>136435209
I like the idea, but how do we about it? Make an archive explaining this shit and spam post it whenever newfags say dumb shit like Marxism and NS is the same?
>>136435659
NS relies on the expansion of one's family. I trust that if you're a decent man, you would help your siblings, children and parents. You love them unconditionally and you help them as you need and work as a team. National Socialism expands this idea to the nation. Which is why it requires a high degree of homogeneity.
I'm not a fan of communism in the slightest, however I'm more than willing to help those like me. My people are more important than my individual good, for the Volk are merely a collective of individuals and there's nothing more noble than self-sacrifice for the greater good.
I don't want to be a selfish cunt and say I should put my desires ahead of the needs of others.

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>>136432369
>Nazis aren't capitalists
Nazi Germany had private property, hence capitalism.

>>136433068
Communists want to replace capitalism and in the process capitalists will lose all their power. Unless you believe that they want to kill off other capitalist competition, in that case this is why we need GLOBAL communism. Leave no stone unturned

>(((ancap)))
goodest of goys

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>>136436556
>NS: love them unconditionally
>4chan neet: i get welfare from everybody else for shitposting on 4chan, no need to work
>NS:everything's fine.

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>>136430474
Not really the same kind of socialism that you would see in a communist country.

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>>136436609
>Communists want to replace capitalism and in the process capitalists will lose all their power
That doesn't seem to be going so well for you.

>>136436609
Nazis operate a welfare state for their white citizens, that's socialism, hence communists.

>>136430980

this. however natsoc and ancap disagree heavily no what constitutes a just hierarchy and what constitutes strength

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>>136435978
I'm not natsoc, so I may not be the best person to explain it. My point was that it encourages hierarchy within a society (whereas you seem to think that there's a racial hierarchy, natsoc advocates for separate nations pursuing their own interests). Proponents want to encourage the family unit (hierarchy within family encouraged by the state)*, corporate activity is encouraged with the national interest in mind (hierarchy within the economy)**, etc. Consider lefty ideologies for comparison, where many want to abolish/discourage the family unit and constrain corporate activity to maximize equality within the society. That's what people have been attempting to get at in this thread, please try to understand instead of arguing for the sake of arguing.

You should read this, your discussions will be more productive unless you're (you) farming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

*In an ancap world this could arise naturally as no welfare discourages single motherhood

**In an ancap world this arises from market competition, natsocs would have more government involvement to align corporations with the national interest, but aren't opposed to free enterprise in and of itself

>>136436333
Ok, lets say your meme civilization works out, and everyone is free and happy.
How do you prevent your libertarian paradise from devolving into what the United States is 250 years later (because that's exactly the story arc of the United States)? You're back to square one, and now you're stuck on a tiny artificial platform literally in the middle of the ocean.

There's no getting around that at some point or another, you'll need purges to maintain your libertarian society. The US is long overdue for one. There has been and always will be cycles like this in any civilization. Isolating yourself on some meme floating platform won't change human nature.

>>136436732
NEETs are born out of a culture of complacency. No responsibility has been instilled in them from a young age.
4 years of Hitlerjugend will sort that out

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>>136436759
Ok cool, now explain how you decide how to balance "valu[ing] the individual and encourag[ing] him in individual efficiency" while also "holding that his interests must be in consonance with those of the community". i.e. what are the fucking rules because you're just posting cliches

>>136436802
>wellfare = communism
Anon, I...

>>136431386

if u think social utility is determined purely though wealth then u r autistic. social harmony, security, innovation, living standards, robust family morals and national health are also important. your egoist materialist worldview fails to capture this. it is this fundamental truth which makes ancap ideology jewish and the enemy of civilization

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>>136436952
>because that's exactly the story arc of the United States
The United States had a democracy which allowed people to vote in more government power. Our Ancap paradise would have no such democracy, and any attempt to institute one would violate the NAP and would be opposed with violence.

>There's no getting around that at some point or another, you'll need purges to maintain your libertarian society
Purges are required because the state uses our tax dollars to support the lazy and degenerate. In our Ancap paradise, no such welfare system would exist.

>>136437032

>american education strikes again

they have been fooled by neoliberals hook,line and sinker

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>>136436802
Socialism is the worker owned means of production. Most capitalist governments on Earth have some sort social safety nets because if we didn't you'd have bodies being piled on the streets from capitalism. Fact of the matter is Nazi Germany had a capitalist economy, of which tax was used for more social services than other countries.

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>>136435978
Listen to Rockwell lay it down
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DB9oUqIcX-c

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>>136436952
Wrong. Again, it all comes down to private property rights and enforcement of voluntary contracts. Nobody can force you to subsidize people, e.g. gibs. There's not going to be an FDR new deal or any government because the moment you try to start instituting gibs, an influx of people will want to join your tribe and the hard workers will leave. Knowing this, your tribe will never offer gibs in the first place.

>>136436995
Bullshit, all you'll get are the idiots on this board. And you're still not answering the actual question, which is what incentive is there to work if the state will pay for you.

>>136436951
No. This is exactly the fucking point of AnCap and capitalism 101. He who doesn't work, doesn't eat. I don't care if he's "part of the nation". That's what you cucks are stuck on about, that somehow we should have a welfare state but only for white people. No welfare. No gibs. You work, you eat. I don't care if you're white, if the nigger works harder, he gets to eat more. That's the point of capitalism.

>>136437306

kind of. the nazi economy was heavily regulated and controlled by the govt. capitalism existed but in a subservient manner to the state. and long term none can say is the NSDAP might have abolished capitalism altogether. its what many members of the german bourgeois feared

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>>136437306
>Most capitalist governments on Earth have some sort social safety nets because if we didn't you'd have bodies being piled on the streets from capitalism

>>136437360
Did you even read the post? You make no attempt to understand, you're still arguing for the sake of arguing.

>>136437360
one again the ancap displays his appalling political ignorance. if u think u can build a social system with no social safety net that will last, think again. it will be overthrown before u can say heil hitler. ancap alaso fails to address how to counter social degeneracy and the onset of nihilism in society, and how to maintain social cohesion. ancap at its heart is an anti-social idealogy that conflicts with the basic fundamentals that underpin any society

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>>136437151
Wrong.
>social harmony
Don't even know what this means
>security (innovation, living standards)
if you provide the best security measures, you get more wealth until others start producing better security
>family morals
Families with strong morals will naturally prosper if they are left untaxed and in control of their property
>Jews
AnCap is not a jewish ideology, and even if it were maybe they're right.

>>136437163
this

>>136437230
no, fuck welfare get off your ass and work you fucking socialist

>>136437306
>worker-owned means of production
>nazi germany allows a guy to own the factory
>they tell him what to make and what to charge and tax him for doing it
>they spend the money to prop up social services
socialism.

>>136437163
So how do you maintain order? "Dude no government lmao" simply cannot work in practice. What's to stop (((someone))) from paying paying a private army to assume complete control and turn it into just another country as shitty as the rest?

>dude we'll have a constitution lmao
And how do you enforce it? The only thing that matters is force.

>dude the NAP-
Again, what's to stop someone from completely disregarding it if they have the force?

>>136437423
the commie is right for once. unchecked capitalism would engender mass poverty, followed by famine or revolution short of govt.intervention. capitalism survived because the state stepped in to preserve it, if no social safety net was built and workers rights never became a thing, then the industrial revolution would have collapsed. marx predicted capitalism would fall but it did not. why? because of the social welfare system. u r completely ignorant of social tension dynamics, step out of the fucking basement for once

The only alliance that really exists is ganging up on lefty groups, pointing out their bs & stemming their tide.

Fascists have by far the worst literature though, there's no self awareness there. At least Socialists admitted some set backs & had a long somewhat productive debate with the classical liberals, the fascists have a long eugenic, leviathan state, social engineering elitist tradition of literature. Literacture that just ignores everything that happened in history. Including economic & philosophical history and comes to some truly meme conclusions.

At least socialists will strawman arguments over time, fascists just bypass logic & facts and go straight to their bubble opinions that I bet 75% of the people on this board would find pure meme and impossible to take seriously.

>>136437612
>implying everyone can find a job

god u r a sped. for someone which glorifies capitalism u sure have no idea how it works

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>>136437492
>corporate activity is encouraged with the national interest in mind
Tell me what that means. I'll tell you what it means, because you keep dancing around the issue.
>be corporation
>want to make dolls
>nazis: don't make dolls, make guns
>ok i made you a gun, please gib $15
>nazis: can't do $15, take $10
>but my family will starve
>nazis: it is for the fatherland, anon. Here, have this government bread handout.
You are not addressing the issue I am raising and it's because you CANNOT address it because the nazis were a fucking socialist welfare state that wanted to protect white people exactly the fucking same as the united states is a fucking socialist welfare state wanting to protect niggers and spics. The only difference is now you're mad because its not the whites that are getting gibs.

>>136432068
>Lose 20 people million to fascists
>Only start winning when capitalists start to fight for real
Oh yeah comrade! That wasn't a Pyrrhic victory or nothin'.

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>>136437306
>t. someone with zero sense of history
The explosion in poverty and unemployment in the USA was caused by the welfare state and other socialistic policies such as minimum wage and affirmative action. Blacks were on track to par with whites until the 60s came and the Leftists injected their faggotry into the system. Kill yourself.

>>136437612
>doesn't know what social harmony means. thats why u will always fail. there is literally 0% chance your regime would attract any support or would last or any sustained period of time. your ivory tower ideology is shit

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>>136437616
>What's to stop (((someone))) from paying paying a private army to assume complete control and turn it into just another country as shitty as the rest?
There's no restrictions on weaponry, so the population and businesses that you would be trying to subdue would be armed as hell.

>dude we'll have a constitution lmao
That literally makes no sense at all.

>Again, what's to stop someone from completely disregarding it if they have the force?
Our force. It wouldn't be profitable to take it over anyways even if you somehow could, once you did so now your entire workforce is gone, it's no longer a tax haven, who knows how much structural damage you caused, and you've spent a shit ton of resources on weapons and mercenaries who don't know how to operate all the businesses and are just a money drain for you.

Basically, if you have the ability to acquire a force powerful enough to take the seastead, it's more profitable for you to hire them out as defense contractors anyways.

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>>136436609
WE MUST ESTABLISH AN INTERNATIONAL FINANCE I MEAN COMMUNIST UTOPIA

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>>136437755
I'm gonna need some facts to support those assumptions.

>>136437894
wrong. the failure of the system is attributable to globalization and neoliberalism

>>136437962
Also
>private property = capitalism
Holy shit even Marx would disagree with that fag lol

>>136432637
>no government
>property rights

So the man with the biggest stick takes your property. What do you do about oncd you're dead?

>>136430100
Who knows. All that matters is we implement some type of Capitalist fascism in the end.

ancaps are retarded, natsoc is necessary, traditionalism is the true redpill

>>136437755
Quite ignorant of history mate.

Huge historical trends from the 1800's to the early 1900's, increased living standards, reduced poverty, increased incomes, decreased working hours etc etc until statism went full swing in the 30's & 40's and every decade after that.

How you think there would be mass poverty when the industrial revolution put everyone out of work from the fields and then created the technological economies we have today and you think that trend is going to randomly reverse because of the corporatist/statist/socialist mix we have today is fucking people over?

Seems more like fantasy mate.

>>136438041

this post essentially sums up the illierate autism of ancap. property rights without state means no coercive force attributes said rights. hence it devolves into a free for all where no-one rights are truly respected. property is under constant threat of seizure

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>>136437588
I have a social safety net. It's called if you try to steal, I'll shoot you, so you better fucking learn to work or die trying.

>muh degeneracy
It's pretty fucking hard to be degenerate when you have to kick communist and nazi ass all day
t. 1940s America

>nihilism
Because of welfare. If you have to work, you won't be nihilist because you have a role in society.

>anti-social ideology
Says the white supremacist.

>>136437616
Private police that are contracted by agreeing third parties with strict clauses governing police work.

>what if they're stronger than your police
Well then I think we found our new police and the new cost of policing

>>136437821
>no job
That means you're worthless. Literally. Die.

>>136437755
Wrong, and now you're agreeing with communists. Capitalism has literally been the best thing for the world since bread. Arguably since before.

>>136437360
>what incentive is there to work if the state will pay for you
I see you've never read any nazi literature at all.
The government doesn't pay for you. It's not like National Socialism implements some universal basic income.

>>136437971
pinochet regime was a perfect case and point. neoliberal with no concern for welfare or workers wages, the people toppled the regime. if he embraced some light prussian socialism the regime would probably still be alive

>>136436802
>Nazis operate a welfare state for their white citizens

not exactly, natsocs are very in favor of things such as protectionism and social programs for the actually disadvantaged, like cripples or whatever. nazis arent in favor of just giving every citizen money

>>136438171
> no one can enforce property
That's not how it works mate. Just because you need defensive force to protect property doesn't mean every method of doing that = a state. Common misconception, poor effort bud.

>>136436136
That doesn't make a country socialist.

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>>136437896
>has clearly never been to New York City.

>>136437981
Wrong. The "failure" is only a failure for poor ass whites in the Eurozone and the USA that had been living on borrowed money from hard working asians. Now the chickens come home to roost and whitey sperges out into destroying the world again.

>>136438041
>me: this is my land
>anon: this is my land
>me: if somebody fucks with your land, i'll help you
>anon: cool, likewise.
The above is the idea behind Nash equilibrium, i.e. it's mathematically certain that rational parties will agree to enforce property rights because its more beneficial than constantly being attacked

>>136438171
You don't need a (((government))) to enforce property rights, just like you don't need a (((central bank))) to have a bitcoin. You need to retire your failed 1940s ideology. Frankly, the idea that a white ethnostate will ever exist again is more imaginative than an AnCap state.

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>>136438366
The people didn't topple the regime, he held a referendum which he lost, he could have easily kept the regime going until his death if he hadn't. And, even with the regime being voted out, Chile still retained far more economic freedom than the rest of South America, even going so far as to privatize their water, leading to the prosperity that Chile has today.

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Common goal: to destroy the left especially communism
Although natsoc is centered and ancap is far right they agree on certain things
Natsoc
>nationalist
>wants the betterment of our people
>socialist in the sense that everything should be for the good of society
>large private sector but regulated
>if the economy is in a slump the government can create programs to help
>see german workers front
>the state is a means to an end for the people
>the state promotes:art, science, education in general, better infrastructure, etc

Ancap
>kikes fight to out kike each other
>no laws so degeneracy runs rampant
>the rich let their own people die in the street in filth and poverty for more cash
>never content with themselves so only way to fill bottomless void is money
>no infrastructure (ie no roads meme)
>no education
>people become slaves to rich for pennies
>essentially neofeudalism with cash as a medium

Believe me we (as a ideology) don't like you greedy kikes either but we hate the filthy reds more, so the enemy of our enemy is our friend...for now

>>136434535
>>136435659
all that ancapism would do is push the reset button then you idiot

we already had that in europe, it was called feudalism

>>136430606
There are a lot of libertarian jews...

>>136438141

u fail to understand that economic development was underpinned by social stability, which was underpinned by a social net and nationalism. the benefits of capitalism came later, first there was widespread poverty and exploitation. it was in this depressive cesspit of the industrial revolution that socialism spawned, and it would be in this cauldron that socialist revolution would succeed. it never took off in most places because governments stepped in to establish worker standards and create a social safety net.

>>136437930
Nigger, I don't think you understand. The only thing that matters is force. What are you going to do when battleships roll up on your stupid glorified party barge and threaten to sink it if you don't surrender?
>lol we'll fight! We'll have our own battleships!
Uh huh, where did you get the resources to build those? Where could you possibly build one on your meme rock, let alone in the numbers you would need to actually defend yourselves?

>our force! Unrestricted weapons!
You're gonna have to understand that human nature is to control others. One charismatic person on your floating turd combined with a few others who are pissed off about something and you've got onboard civil war. With no organized law enforcement/military how is that going to go down?

I think I've wasted enough time trying to talk some sense into you, you'll grow out of this pipe dream eventually. If not, by all means- buy a "used up oil rig" and take your child sex slaves and anime with you to die in the cold, miserable ocean.

>>136433124
Who fuckin doesn't.

>>136438542

>new york

cesspit of liberal leftism

looks like neoliberal capitalism has few adherents. amidst the failure of the neoliberal ideology we are now stuck between sanders socialism or alt-rightism. the cult of the free market has died

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>>136437848
Good god are you obtuse. You asked how natsoc and ancap could possibly be similar, I responded that when juxtaposed with lefty ideologies they both see hierarchy as valuable and respect strength. I have charitably interpreted what an ancap society would resemble for the sake of this discussion while you continually have a cartoonish view of natsoc (again, I'm not even natsoc).

Could you possibly conceive that they'd produce children's toys or have general prosperity? Could you possibly conceive that welfare could be used in a responsible way, rather than the dysgenic way it's currently used? You may disagree with natsoc, as do I, but instead of a reasoned argument you dismiss it as gibs for whitey before even trying to understand what they may be advocating.

If you're unable to have civilized discussion about an idea rather than an ego-ridden brawl, perhaps you should head back to whatever shithole you came from where that's the norm. I'll play on your level if you won't play on mine.

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>>136438341
>universal basic income
>the government doesn't pay for you
Fuck you faggot you can go join the bernie fags picketing outside of a mcdonalds. You don't get a universal wage, you get what the market will pay for your services, if it was even willing to pay at all. You can always become a trap and suck dicks for a living, us ancaps love getting our dicks sucked by nazi larpers.

>>136438366
Pinochet is not AnCap, he's a capitalist dictator that imported some guys from Chicago to run his economy in an intelligent manor and it set Chile up as the standout economic power in South America.

>>136438420
Yes, it does. From my perspective, you europoors are socialists. That's why you're poor and euro.

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>>136438691
>What are you going to do when battleships roll up on your stupid glorified party barge and threaten to sink it if you don't surrender?
Where are these battleships coming from?

>With no organized law enforcement/military
Who said there wouldn't be military and law enforcement? It would just be privatized.

>>136437755
Reminder that virtually no one starved during the first few years of the Great Depression, pre-FDR. In fact, starvation in capitalist nations is virtually unheard of unless there's an extreme catastrophe (in which case no system of government can fix the issue) or for a tiny minority of mentally ill/abused people incapable of feeding themselves.

>>136438545
>privatise water

allowing an unregulated monopoly on a basic resource.
genius. this kind of stupidity is why ancaps will shoot themselves i the foot everytime

>lost referendum. wew lad. better make a regime that elicits more popular support next time.

>>136433411
Until a jew slithers in, takes control and imports exploding muslims & killer blacks.

>>136430627
As the goal is the same, the Nazi is just a disposable third party in removal of commie scum. After that the Nazi either abandons his ideology or becomes the next in line for helicopter rides.
Personally I think you guys should be rewarded for the help and thus should be taken a ride on a c-130 and toss out from a higher height.

>>136438542

>mathematically certain that rational parties will defend each other

u assume human beings are rational. therein is a basic flaw of your entire methodology

>>136438792
No it doesn't, and nobody gives a shit about your perspective. You don't understand economics.

>>136438792
Jesus Christ, Americans are painful to talk to. I'm saying NatSoc doesn't pay a universal income. Why do you guys have such shit reading comprehension

>>136439035
He's a Pajeet, ego and winning the argument matters more than understanding an idea.

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>>136438737
No, and I'm very fervently against welfare for a reason. It's not because you can't maintain a small amount of welfare and still have a decent society, or that NatSoc is doomed to failure. It's that forced charity is no charity at all, and institutionalized welfare distorts the essential proxy between socio-economic success, in the form of money/resources, and ability to reproduce and keep a family. It's sad that the kids of a single mom have to starve, but that's the fucking point. People should really see how bad it is to be a single mom with no filtering lens of welfare hiding it.

And it is fundamentally gibs for whitey. Hitler was somewhat respectable but egotistical and misinformed, the nazis on this board are retarded sociopaths that should be shunned.

>>136438847
Jews, Muslims, and blacks alike are nearly powerless in an ancap society. The former won't even bother, the second only interferes with Western society because we interfere with theirs, and the latter responds well to gunfire.

>>136438542
>Nash equilibrium
>enforcing property rights
>rational people

Ok. So seriously, I find a guy who has some land or whatever. He has no friends or relatives. I kill him and occupy his land.

Who does anything about this? In who's best interests is it to enforce the property rights of a dead man?

Who gains economically from it since that is the only reason anyone does anything in ancap land

>>136438391

not everyone can afford to hire a private army. if everyone is living in a state of fear due to no great power enforcing property rights very little business will occur. social stability and surety or property rights underpin all economic growth. failing that an unstable environment discourages any form of investment as no assets/contracts are secure or officially recognized. in such an anarchic state lending occurs rarely, as financial intermediaries or investors have few to on methods of reacquiring lost capital from debtors

>>136438792
>That's why you're poor and euro.

most of Europe has a higher GDP per capita than the USA

>>136439170
if u think gangs of niggers won't get together and exploit the fact there is no state authority in order to steal everything then i've got news for you sonnyboy

>>136430100
We've been sharing this board for a while now, and I don't mind it. I respect NatSocs for their principals, while I disagree with their methods.

>>136439200
Only the microstates like Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, plus a couple other oddities like Norway and Switzerland. Also, USA GDP per capita is held down by Mexicans and blacks.
>>136439280
They don't get together in states like Texas or Florida where castle doctrine exists. Roaming packs of nogs only exist on Europe and cucked states like Maryland or Washington.

>>136439182
>He has no friends or relatives. I kill him and occupy his land.
source?

>>136438545
>Privatize water
>Privatize natural resources
>Giving your resources to private businessses that can get greedy and start making water a luxury, by only making the wealthy be able to pay for it while the rest die
>Won't make protests or create conflict of class

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>>136438847
How is the jew going to import exploding sandniggers if the only place he can import them too is his own house?

>>136438844
>public water
>nobody gives a shit how much they use
>desert.jpg
Privatizing water is a good thing. Even an unregulated monopoly is better at developing water resources than the government, because all the government will do is tell the same private developer to do it in a less efficient manner.

>>136438940
>hurr durr humans aren't rational
That's because we have morons like you running around, and yes human behavior is well documented to be the same as mathematical rationality when you consider groups rather than individuals.

>>136438994
Fine. Welfare is a dumb idea, and socialists always have welfare. Some "capitalists" have welfare too, but they're dumb and not real capitalists.

>>136439035
The party platform of the nazis guarantees work and income to individuals, that's socialist; there's welfare, that's socialist. Do you disagree with the nazi platform, and if so, how, or what am I missing here?

>>136439117
I am winning.

>>136439144
>the guy who wants to abolish social welfare to leave people to starve has the gall of calling nazism psychopathic. top kek

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>>136439182
>no friends relative etc.
>blockchain/property records still reflect him as having title
>You say I killed him
>you're arrested for murder and his land is sold at auction since no next of kin
You're literally asking why should people enforce property rights if its not their property. That's the point, you want to enforce them so the situation of your property being contested doesn't happen to you.

>>136439511
>public field, because natural resources should be public
>everybody brings their cows to graze on it for free
>all the grass dies
>all the cows die
Good job anon.

>>136439527
to paraphrase neitzche: the rule of rationality is the norm when dealing with the individual but the exception when dealing with the masses

>>136439640
Yeah and nature is psychopathic because lions eat gazelles, why can't they just eat grass like the rest of the animals. After all, hitler-senpai was vegetarian look how great he was.

>>136430100
a lot of ancaps see it as nazism lite, both want to exterminate the jews so it's the same means to an end

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>>136439823
Literally the opposite is true you fucking twat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds

>>136439170
why the jew is nearly powerless in an ancap society?

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>>136439144
>institutionalized welfare distorts the essential proxy between socio-economic success, in the form of money/resources, and ability to reproduce and keep a family
At least we're on the same page as to why contemporary welfare in the US is harmful (i.e., it's dysgenic). However, it's not universally dysgenic. Consider a homogenous NW European society such as Denmark. Any man on the dole is considered extremely low status and is therefore unable to find a mate, thus limiting the welfare expenditure to one generation. Contrast that to how welfare is viewed in lower class communities here (a man collecting welfare doesn't exclude him from reproduction). I'd agree that welfare for single mothers is harmful as it creates a perverse incentive. Widows can of course collect life insurance. I would think natsocs disagree on how to handle the single mother problem, but are in agreement that it is a problem (lefties disagree that it is).

Ancaps and natsocs have common ground in common enemies and common core values, but differ in how specifically they'd organize society in their ideal world. Dismissing them all as "retarded sociopaths" is childish.

>>136439183
Who says every living person needs to pay for a private army? That's so random. I live in a country of 24million people with only about 9million private sector workers keeping the whole fucking thing afloat, with a huge stagnating, rusty state leeching off them at every level of government where everyone dips their hands in our pockets.

The idea that we would less be able to afford a military sounds ridiculous to me. So does the idea that market innovations wouldn't improve the supply of defence, or that would we really need that much to defend the whole island or that if we had more like 15/24mil actually being productive and working that it won't be that much easier to obtain.

That's to say nothing of all the vast alternatives that you lot still can't seem to grasp beyond McDonalds Defence Force Pty Ltd. Lack of imagination mate.

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>>136438844
>allowing an unregulated monopoly on a basic resource.
Actually privatizing their water produced great results. See for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Chile#1998-2004:_Privatization

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>>136439511
Actually privatizing their water produced great results. See for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Chile#1998-2004:_Privatization

>>136430100
Ancap is for kike lovers. Sage

>>136440143
i think in south africa the privatization of water gave to the people an epidemy in johannesburg...

>>136430100
It's the anglo-germanic-kikesphere's doing. Racism + Capitalism = Cancer that destroys everything which white men find highly addicting.

>>136440060
Because all their power exists through political intimidation; lawsuits, defamation, SWATing, etc.

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>>136440062
>dismissing them as retarded sociopaths is childish
>muh white is best we are #1 fuck the other races shitskins shitskins shitskins yay for whitey is not childish
Really?

>welfare in Denmark
>Why should an able-bodied man be able to collect welfare at all?
>Why should ANYONE collect welfare at all? >Why should people who DID make money the hard way have to give it to someone who didn't?

I keep trying to get you to answer this and you refuse to. You're going to come up with some variant of "man down on his luck" or "prevent social unrest", and both of those are a. exactly the distortionary effect I was criticizing and b. not desirable anyway. A guy should make it back on his feet by working hard cleaning shit, not by collecting his unemployment until he finds a new desk job. If people are going to die or chimp out because the gibs stop, let them. Otherwise the problem gets worse.

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>>136440355
Well water privatization seems to be working fairly well for South Africa, even if the country is still a shithole in other respects.

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>>136440355
Nobody is defending government controlled monopolies on water which is how you get these privatized monopolies in the first place. Naturally AnCaps would almost never have a monopoly on water because it's literally the definition of a perfectly competitive good, and multiple people will begin distilling, condensing, well drilling, etc. if the price of water creates economic profits for the entrepreneur.

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>>136430627
this, plus you can actually debate with natsocs and lolbertarians, they won't punch you in the face for saying something they don't like.

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>>136440939
Nobody can punch you in the face on 4chinz. The nazis here spend their time discussing exactly how white is white enough, just like all nazis always inevitably do, because the entire socio-philosophical movement is based on a mythical idea of "white/aryan-ness" that magically solves all social problems.

I don't see that as constructive, and it seems very similar to the modern lefties idea that society will fix itself if we get rid of white people. The real problem here is that /pol/ doesn't understand niggers come in every color, it has to do with IQ and culture, not skin color.

>>136430627
True this.

>>136441172
Except modern lefties are delusional, and the enemies of mankind, and Nazi's are right.

Read the bellcurve, literal nigger.

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>>136440879
> Piped water
> trucked water
> bottled water
> rain water
> distilled water
> river water
> coke water
> soda water
We'll be rich Forest!

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>>136441172
>niggers come in every color,

They do, however let me propose this. Imagine how dumb the average white person is, now realize that 80% of blacks are dumber than that.

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>>136441274
No, you're not right.

>>136440062
Pajeet - 1 White Nazi - 0. Part of the reason I'm mean is because that's what I get from you fucking white supremacists. I felt bad for white people until I came to /pol/. If the best answer you can come up with is sperging out Nazi-style again, you deserve white genocide.

>>136441308
Shiiiiet I better sell that fruit company stock Lt. Dan bought

>>136441542
> well water
> fruit water
> milk water
> desert water
But muh natural monop-

>>136439527
>guarantees work and income to individuals
Guarenteeing work is different to gib me dats. We need work to live, and I don't mean that we need to product of our work, but rather the mere action of accomplishing a goal or target
>>136439909
Most of the Ancaps on this board are refugees from reddit. Only the olderfag libertarians are actually anti-jew. I'd say 99.99% of redditors haven't come to understand the JQ

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>>136440678
>>dismissing them as retarded sociopaths is childish
>>muh white is best we are #1 fuck the other races shitskins shitskins shitskins yay for whitey is not childish
>Really?
/pol/ is one person

>>Why should ANYONE collect welfare at all? >Why should people who DID make money the hard way have to give it to someone who didn't?
Calm down, you're putting words in people's mouths. I didn't make a value judgment on collecting welfare, I was offering a counterexample to your assertion that welfare is necessarily an expansionary phenomenon due to its decoupling of economic success and reproduction. Try understanding what people are saying instead of getting buttblasted whenever someone examines the effects of welfare without including a normative statement about how evil it is. I myself am generally opposed to welfare (where did you get the idea that I want gibs for whitey? I'm not some fucking useless NEET), but externalities exist. For example, incentivizing two-parent family formation and education (though less so than we do now) may be in the collective interest thanks to the positive externalities.

I doubt natsocs are even terribly pro-welfare since they view work as virtuous. They seem to be more interested in jobs and (blue collar) training programs for the unemployed. A likely downside could be overinvestment in infrastructure like what you see in China today.

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>>136441400
Cool. See how the red one, for white, isn't the highest IQ on that graph? That's because whites are not the highest IQ. Hitler said he respected Eastern peoples, and borrowed the swastika from Hinduism. Why can't white people on /pol/ realize that just because you aren't white doesn't make you a nigger. The answer is because other than their skin color the nazi has nothing redeeming about his character, and insists on his safe space /pol/ so he can bitch about how superior he is to other nazis. I don't understand why /pol/ AnCaps put up with this nonsense or treat nazis any different from other lefty scum, it would actually improve the image of the board quite a bit if we sent the nazis back to stormfront as well.

>>136430627
True

As long as Nazis are with us with destroying the leftist scum, that's cool. But if they try to shove any socialist shit down my throat, I'm finished.

>>136441172
Nigger you're retarded. NatSocs on this board promote National Socialism for all ethnicities and all nations.
It's not some whitw-only club. We just want white nations for us, and black nations for blacks, and Asian nations for Asians.

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>>136441542
>Pajeet - 1 White Nazi - 0. Part of the reason I'm mean is because that's what I get from you fucking white supremacists. I felt bad for white people until I came to /pol/. If the best answer you can come up with is sperging out Nazi-style again, you deserve white genocide.
Upstanding American - 1 street shitter - 0. Don't come here if you can't handle the bants, but I'm sure the pressure in your bowels will force you to take your leave soon.

>>136441172
>I don't see that as constructive, and it seems very similar to the modern lefties idea that society will fix itself if we get rid of white people. The real problem here is that /pol/ doesn't understand niggers come in every color, it has to do with IQ and culture, not skin color.

Correct, but this is a nuanced idea that requires actual thought - something most people don't have the inclination to do.

>>136441400
OK, but what about the other 20% of blacks?

Do you really want to make enemies with them, even though they have qualities that could make them just as good or even better than a white person?

>>136439368
The failure of this premise is that right now we still feed them and support them. You fail again to understand human nature, or rather their animal nature which is to consume resources and move on. They simply have the numbers to throw at you and when they run out of food and essentials then they will come.

>>136440567
And thats why you find them so prevalent among ancaps right? Because they want to strip away their own advantage? Jesus Christ you people are like children.

>>136441672
We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
Those are literally all socialist demands, including expansion of welfare, seizure of private property by government, nationalization of industry and confiscating profits from legally owned and operated businesses.

>>136441701
>buttblasted
Literally had to walk you through the whole argument without being mean for you to not scream pajeet. But whatever, faggot.

>no value judgment
We're in a fucking thread about AnCap vs NatSoc and we've established NatSoc has welfare and AnCap does not. There is an implicit value judgment when you come to the defense of welfare.

>incentivize two-parent family formation
No god dammit. The whole fucking point is to not distort the free market. If a guy is gay, I don't want him to live in an unhappy marriage for tax breaks, the same as I don't want some broad collecting checks for every niglet she popped out.

>muh negative/positive externalities
That's the point, stop trying to fix them with government. Externalities solve themselves by either becoming such a problem that people will pay you to fix it, or businesses finding a way to eliminate the negative or internalize the positive externality.

>NatSocs not pro-welfare because they're hard working
They're fucking german, so there's that. I think you'll find American NatSocs not so hardworking

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>>136441937
You've been losing the bants. Fuck your misinterpretation of a Teddy Roosevelt quote to try and say America is for white people. Fuck your racist attitude towards my skin color. Die.

>>136442098
They only care about the color of skin, not content of character. A country of white niggers is what they want.

>>136442255
Where do you get that Jews are AnCaps? If anything the closest example to a "white ethnostate" is Israel. Go live there.

>>136441701
>blue collar training programs
First, this is retarded, those jobs are going to the machines not back to the good white folk. Second, government sponsored retraining of workers is bad for all the reasons welfare is bad, because it's distortionary.


>>136441859
>"white nations"
You can't undo decades of immigration without some violent civil war type event that is even more fanciful than anything any AnCap ever said

Personally I think the nazis are being ironic but the alliance seems to be because nazis don't like Jews and ancaps don't like (((war, media, academia, and banks))). I personally don't like it

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>>136442339
If you scream nazi and white supremacist at me, I'll hit you right back with Pajeet and street shitter. Fair's fair.

Please read this, you seem unable to understand that positive evaluations exist, which is what I was doing in the Denmark example: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/12/difference-between-positive-normative-economics.asp

>If a guy is gay, I don't want him to live in an unhappy marriage for tax breaks, the same as I don't want some broad collecting checks for every niglet she popped out.
Nor do I. You seem to have a religious belief in the evil of government spending, which is partially understandable as growing up in the US all the new gov't spending we observe is a huge waste in practice. This doesn't mean you should dismiss out of hand the idea that there may beneficial (by some metric) instances of welfare/spending/tax incentives. You don't have to agree with the metric by which it's judged beneficial.

>Externalities solve themselves by either becoming such a problem that people will pay you to fix it
This sounds like extortion, e.g. the village has to pay you not to dump sludge in your drinking water.

>They're fucking german, so there's that. I think you'll find American NatSocs not so hardworking
Most here are LARPers, hence the all the swastikas and whatnot. I was unaware it's an exclusively German ideology.

>You've been losing the bants. Fuck your misinterpretation of a Teddy Roosevelt quote to try and say America is for white people.
You've been more butthurt than bantsy. And American was for white people, at least implicitly, until 1965. Most of us want(ed) to be welcoming to others, but patience has its limits when we see the extent of "fuck whitey" attitudes many of the newcomers have.

>Fuck your racist attitude towards my skin color. Die.
>muh racism
Sorry for noticing patterns. Pattern recognition helps you get ahead and succeed in any environment, I'm sure you'd agree.

Because both are retarded and don't realize that the true right wing is LP national Gary Johnson Libertarianism

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>>136442690
>>blue collar training programs
>First, this is retarded, those jobs are going to the machines not back to the good white folk. Second, government sponsored retraining of workers is bad for all the reasons welfare is bad, because it's distortionary.
That's effectively what I said: "A likely downside could be overinvestment in infrastructure like what you see in China today.", i.e. a distortion. You presume a lot about others' beliefs.

>>136432488
>to generate more of itself
>what is growth
>to generate more of itself
>what is innovation
>to generate more of itself
>what is efficiency
>to generate more of itself
>what is accountability
>to generate more of itself
>to generate more of itself
>to generate more of itself

Yes. And how does it do that?

>>136436033
>what the fuck are they going to do out there all day?
>implying fat fuck self moves distances larger than that daily
>hurr office space can't exist there
>derp only way to generate wealth is hard labor

>fuck, I'm a god damn idiot, hope nobody notices.

We noticed you cock sucking faggot piece of shit. Holy shit you got to be a special kind of fucking dumb.

>brb a small city can't make money
>how do small cities exists elsewhere
>what is logic?

Castrate yourself.

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>>136443171
>positive vs normative economics
This has nothing to do with anything; I'm glad you just learned what normative means.

>government spending isn't always bad
Yes it IS. You keep dancing around this issue as well.
>everyone can spend their money however maximizes their utility
>taxboogeyman.jpg
>pay tax boogeyman for collecting taxes
>what is left is necessarily less than what was there pre-taxation, and necessarily must be spend exactly the same way or it wouldn't be utility-maximizing
>QED.jpg
Since I know you're not convinced because you're a government worshipping nazi, let's put it a different way. Take whatever service the government was going to provide - that service would be at worst provided at the same level of efficiency by a private corporation. If the demand for that service exists, then a private corporation is at worst at least as good as the government at providing it. If the demand doesn't exist, the government has no business providing that service.

>extortion
The village SHOULD pay you to provide clean drinking water. The next villager should also be freely able to point out your drinking water has sludge in it, and that the water he is selling does not. This is how you achieve the market level of pollutant removal, because it's just fucking impractical for the government to say we want 100% pure drinking water with no contaminants (and that's not what you buy from your utility company).

>NatSoc
>Not german
Gotta be fucking kidding me. Even fascism is only 5-10 failed countries in the 20th century, and national socialism is 100% nazi germany.

>fuck whitey attitude of newcomers
Nobody had a fuck whitey attitude except niggers and lefty spics until white people started sperging out with Richard Spencer and "muh ethno-state". This is literally a direct threat to my property, because what the fuck do you think is going to happen to poor pajeet who worked to buy a house but whitey decided it's time for the US to be white again.

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>>136443481
You keep trying to come up with ways that the state is necessary or somehow good for the economy. It's NOT. The only thing I presume is that you disagree with me because you keep replying with inane "what ifs" rather than addressing the intellectual argument being put forth.

>Pattern recognition
Recognize the fucking pattern of authoritarian states mismanaging themselves into disasters and then recognize that nazism is another authoritarian state.

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>>136430474
Because they aren't free market capitalists and they aren't Marxists planned economists either. NatSoc advocates for state controlled (not run) corporativist mixed economy.

In traditional left-right/communist-capitalist dichotomy they don't fit in either groups but in values they tend lean more to the right than to the left.

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>>136444469
They tend to lean more to right on social issues; they're lefties on economic issues.

Again, what the fuck is the difference between "state-controlled" business and "state-run" business. The fact that there's a token "private businessman" that has to do exactly what the state tells him doesn't make it different from the state literally hiring the people and telling them what to do.

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>>136444129
>>136441834
ITT: Nazis don't understand economics

>>136430100
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers%27_Party
>but they have socialist in the name
Mixed economy isn't socialist, moron.
Ancap is a joke, anyways. You really think a white ethno-state will last for a second when state borders are removed? All the non-whites will be employed as they replaced the white working class, and Mr. Goldberg will parade it around as the free market. The answer is not 'more freedom', you are simply promoting degeneracy because the degenerate social parasites will just 'die off themselves lol'. Worked so well in Weimar Germany, those parasites were thriving because you allowed them the freedom to sell their filth to the masses.

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>>136444774
>You really think a white ethno-state will last for a second when state borders are removed
And replaced with private borders, along with an end to welfare and affirmative action.

Who /hybrid/ here? Get rid of shitskins and kikes and promote nationalism, but also welfare and things such as public education or public hospitals...
Provided he isn't a kike, someone could normally open a business, and left largely to his own fate by the government

I think that's the best compromise between a tyrannical 1984 pseudo-capitalist government and an anarchic who knows what hole.

>>136444946
Fug I meant get rid of welfare and the rest***

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>>136430100

tl;dr: AnCap is Anglo NatSoc, and Germans are weird.

So check it out.
National Socialism was the closest Germany would've ever gotten to actual Capitalism. Why? Because Germany is a socialist country. Not in the marxist sense, but in that collectivism seems to be Ingrained in the German DNA. It's just how Germans are. We see this same trend in Pennsylvania, a predominantly German ethnic state. They also vote blue more often than not.

What AnCaps want and what NatSocs want are quintessentially the same thing. The only difference is that AnCaps want McBurgerstein to hire people to make the roads, while NatSocs want Obergruppenfurher Burgerstein to do the hiring. End of the day, both Burgersteins want to make awesome shit for the betterment of themselves and their countries. It's just two different ways of going about it. Because they're from two very different cultural foundations. Both want an economy with open trade, both want to make money, both want, ultimately, freedom.

>>136444774
Literally have linked multiple times to different parts of the platform that are textbook socialism, e.g. property seizures, welfare, guaranteed employment, etc.

>white ethnostate
Nobody wants that except nazis.

>Mr. Goldberg
Is more likely to invade your white ethnostate than the principality of me.

>muh degeneracy
Right so the obvious answer is to instead shoot all the non-whites, oh wait the jews would still be there

>weimar germany
Was AnCap?

>>136444620
Again, what the fuck is the difference between "state-controlled" business and "state-run" business.

In socialism such as Venezuela the state gets to own the company and dictates which bureaucrat or politically connected nephew or my-wifes-sons-dad gets to act as the CEO.

In corporatism privately owned businesses exist but they have to co-operate with the state because the state is in control of the labor force, resources and exports and imports.

That's the simplest I can explain it in theory. In reality it's pretty much the system we had before free-trade agreements.

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>>136445001
>Both want an economy with open trade, both want to make money, both want, ultimately, freedom.
Then why do the nazis on this board only talk about how to stop race mixing and how much they want the shitskins gone? Do shitskins just not deserve freedom?

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>>136445109
>state in control of labor force resources and exports
This is socialism. The state dictating who you can hire and how much you have to pay for the inputs for your factory and how much you can charge customers is socialism. Whether or not the socialism is corrupt, it's still ultimately state-controlled and "operated" enterprise.

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>>136445159
NatSoc is a cultural focused ideology, Ancap is an economically focused ideology. NatSoc assumes that if you solve your cultural problems, the economy will mostly fix itself, Ancap thinks the same but in reverse.

>>136444399
>>136444204
You are unwilling to have a reasonable discussion (can't recognize positive statements, religiously held beliefs, strawmen galore, graphics implying supremacy without acknowledging selection bias, unwilling to consider arguments based upon different axioms, etc). It's tempting to pull argument from credentials on you (Indians LOVE credentialism), but it's not in good spirit so I'll hold back. Types like Richard Spencer are, in part, a response to our collective realization of your unwillingness to play by our rules. Good day.