Is Jesus the ultimate redpill?

>>136426568
Learn the basic prayers
Go to Sunday Mass
Confession is nice

also what country?

>>136426568
As someone who grew up fundamentalist evangelical, became agnostic/apathetic and tried to read about all kinds of different philosophies and religions, from gnosticism to Satanism to existentialism to Buddhism to Judaism to objectivism to national socialism to egoism to...(etc, etc, etc) traditional Catholicism is the most /comfy/ redpill.

In my limited understanding, natural reason points us towards God, but only asymptotically. In your heart, you must admit that you are finite, and that you do not know everything. Or at least, that was what I had to do, and to humble myself. I started going to a mass near my house, and just sat and watched the people, asking for clarification and help when I needed it, and people were always happy to tell me what was going on. While I really like Jordan Peterson, and he is accurate in some respects about the psychological significance of certain Christian teachings, as well as his very interesting and learned understanding about the evolutionary development of the human body (including the mind), he is still trying to get people to fix themselves, rather than humble ourselves and admit that we cannot save our own soul.

I do not have a full understanding of the Catholic tradition, but everything that /pol/ is on point about is said more profoundly by the Catholic Church. Degeneracy, kikes, family, tradition, hierarchy, communism, monarchy, all of it was articulated by the Church, and within the framework of the Church. I came to realize that I wanted everything that the Church was offering, without humbling myself, and it has been a gradual process of accepting that I am not the end-all-be-all, and trusting Jesus when he said that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide his followers into all truth.

God bless you, anon.

>>136427547
Can you be a Christian without going to Mass and Church? That will be quite a shock for me man. I only went to a Church once or twice and it was to see the architecture.
Is just prayinga way of letting God in? I'm honestly lost man. I feel empty af.

Christianity is fake.

Also it holds back the white nationalist movement. Jesus was a pussy hippie bitch. It's a semitic religion that ruined Europe. Europe's true religion is paganism idgaf if people cry about it being degenerate. It's better than worshipping this faggot

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>>136426568
He's the only pill, Anon.

Are you ready for the bread pill?

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>>136428159
Someone needs the red supository

>>136428028
>implying you arent literally just trying to start another flame war

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>>136426568
I recommend reading the Bible, maybe start in John or Matthew of the New Testament. I also recommend reading the King James Version of the Bible, there is a lot of controversy with the newer bible translations. Pic related

Romans 3:23 KJV
>23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
The Gospel is all over the Bible, here is just one explanation.
1 Corinthians 15:1-8 KJV
>1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
>2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
>3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
>4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
>5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
>6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
>7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
>8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
Jesus is the ultimate redpill
John 14:6 KJV
>6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

>>136428018
I'm going to give it a try. Thanks for that reply.

I went to Science college, I wasn't even an atheist, there is no mention to religion here. But the more I learnt about Science the more I felt there is something higher. I think that life in the city, always in touch with a man made world drives us out of any though on a supreme God. Whenever I go out to the countryside that feeling embraces me in a strong way.

I honestly feel like a retard and the best way to describe it is like an inner war. Between what? I don't know.

>>136428028
>Can you be a Christian without going to Mass and Church
Yes

>>136428325
Hippie Jesus describes a lot of things I used to believe but I've been moving steadily towards The Lord Jesus Christ it would seem.

>>136428325
they literally attacked him and he started healing the romans ear mid fight. You cant tell me thats not pussy as fuck. Thats supposed to be the example of what all europeans should strive to me. Miss me with that faggot shit this is why the west is in decline

If Christian values are objectively good then why not adapt them out of utilitarian interest and toss the supernatural mumbo jumbo parts into the bin where they belongs?

>>136428028
Yes you can. But you should try it at least once a week.

Mass calms my mind and soul. I should do it more often, but I feel I am not worthy yet.

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If you spend many hours reading the Bible and spend numerous hours translating certain words of Christ to the original language, you will find out that Jesus was the most redpilled, alpha, being in existence.

The most redpilled state possible, would be a Christian Theocracy, with Ethnonationalism and Totalitarianism. I know I'm probably going to get shit on by other people, but it's the truth.

Jesus loves all of you.

>>136426568
do not fall for this sandnigger cult anon

Thanks anons. I'll get a KJV Bible and start reading.
I'll try Mass, it's an experience I never had. But it makes me nervous.

>>136426568
Oral tradition passed on for multiple centuries before capability of written came in to place. People who wrote it aren't the most trust worthy. Maybe all religion is based on an et experience which brought our species to earth. We were dumped here with nothing (the 4th time or experiment) and it took awhile to come up with a written language to recount. During the time things were passed verbally which construed the truth.

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>>136426568
>I can't explain it.
I can. Believing in God is a primal instinct humans have, like mating. Its literally your brain tricking you into it.
But its not helpless, you can take the redpill and become a rational man by puting your instincts behind. Of course, you can always take the bluepill instead and become a religious normie like everyone else, it's your choice.

>>136429007
The problem is that men aren't as perfect and loving as Jesus and a totalitarian government in His name would fall to corruption.

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Yes give Jesus a chance, He helped save me from myself he can open your eyes to white alot of things.

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>>136428742
You clearly have not read the bible
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%202:13-22

>>136428028
Yes, a good thorough version of scripture (KJV), and wounds to heal is all you need.

>>136429305
I watched some videos about Hovind.

>>136429283
I've been rational all my life. If this is where it took me then I will gladly try Jesus. And I don't see, at this point, how holding Christian faith is in any way conflictive with reason.

Anons, I've been listening to Elvis' Gospel songs lately. And those songs feel in a completely different way than years ago.

Maybe I'm getting emotional due to age I don't know.

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OP i suggest you watch this debate since it can be trully life changing, you will see how unsustainable atheism can be.
https://youtu.be/4KBx4vvlbZ8?t=774

>>136426568

Totally go to Christ. He's the only one who can really forgive you. All you have to do is accept Him. It's that easy.

>>136426568

>> accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies

Link related

>>136429698
I know I sound like complete moron, but do you feel different after you accept Him?

>>136429693
I haven't watched that one. Thanks

>>136429392
idk why you linked this to me. So what? He threatened like 5 people at one point in the Bible. Doesnt make him less of a pussy

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>>136429035
If you are interested in traditional Catholicism, I would encourage a Douay-Rheims Bible. Without going into a lot of history and theology and philosophy, Protestants removed seven books from the Old Testament which support traditional Catholic teachings.

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>>136426568
Jesus is: "If you kill them, they win". You think this is red pill?

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>>136429471
I guess it can't be helped then. I won't try to reason you out of your faith, that's something you must do alone.

I know Jesus is uncool in these days of irony, sarcasm, being hip and all that but I think Christanity is better than anything else out there. We need something more than Trump, Pepe, and white ethnocentrism

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>>136430294
>>136429693

>>136430294
I have no faith. I am bluepilled according to you. All my life has been based on philosophy and science.

>>136430139
even if that shit is true it doesnt matter. Christianity has keked itself beyond repair. No one knows or talks about any of that shit thats in that thread.

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>>136429967
Ow, the edge

>>136430326
The pope is a cuck

>>136430599
wtf are you talking about. Are you in the right thread nigger? That meme has nothing to do with what were talking about. I adovacated for paganism the true religion of europe. Im not an edgy science fedora atheist . Stop being retarded

>>136428018
What are your thoughts on East Orthodoxy?

>>136426568
If you like dead people and rapefugees

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>>136430741
Sorry, my mistake

Yes.
We turned away and tried to find other things but the truth was always there.
It's like when your parents tell you something when you're younger and you don't believe them.

The story of Christianity reads like the story of James the Just's cult growing too large. There were plenty of false prophets/messiahs at that place at their time, Jesus just happened to have good spokesmen.
The Hebrew religion Christianity is based on isn't much better, either. It too is just too obvious in its human/tribal origins and influences, especially in the scripture.

Believe in what you want man. Christianity is good until you start being a pretentious fag about it (like most of pol seems to be)

Hope the jewish cock is good faggot. I cant wait until your sister gets culturally enriched. Continue being a kekold to a sand cult

>>136429833
Epic straw man

>>136431312

>>136428742
You have no clue who Jesus is. You are only taking the version of Jesus that's been spoon fed to you by Hollywood. You would do well to actually read the bible and find out for yourself, unless you like illuminati satanic child sacrificing power hungry people hating sociopaths tell bent on ruling the world and killing you and your loved ones in the process telling you what to think, then by all means just keep thinking you know what you're talking about.

>>136426568
Yes, the Bible provides the best explanation the condition of our existence, the best ways to cope with it, and the way to eternal life (after death). A lot of people feel empty even if they have everything material that they want they don't have a relationship with God. I suggest you start reading the Bible. You can read it for free on Biblegateway.com.

>>136428762
You can't adapt them because the core of it is Jesus Christ. If you remove Jesus from the equation it will not last and people will never really take to it.

>>136431028
My mother told me to believe as a child but instead I indulged myself in those science books with planets and stars and NASA and shit..very early on the grasp of there is no God was a hold of me, but I finally saw the truth and the light of the Gospels of our Lord Savior the Christ Jesus, it takes time or it comes to you early but when Christ calls you, you answer

Im just getting started aswell, can confirm it feels good to live by a set of moral principle, I've heard that the King James Bible is the best but im reading Gideons Holy Bible cause its the only one I have

>>136429833
Except that, you are larping. No one seriously believes in those gods. May as well just call yourself an atheist.

Blind faith in some shit that makes you feel good is just another degenerate drug. If you're gonna become a religionfag then at least think rationally for yourself.

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I was raised a protestant. Should I switch to catholicism or is it not worth it since my parents are protestant?

>>136431574
You need to be careful with other versions, mainly any written since 1900. They ha e serious changes that completely flip doctrine, deny the divinity of Christ and teach works based salvation.

Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

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yes ultimate red pill indeed

get saved by praying to jesus one time and calling on him for salvation

and then read the king james new testament starting with the gospels

ez pz

rapture is on september 23 so ur very late to the game

>>136428018
Good read. Such enlightenment.

>>136431757
Do it, but make sure you will be a traditional catholic, and not those charismatic ones.

>>136431718
If this was just about the feels I would just take some pills and keep fucking chicks until I dropped dead. Then I can lie to myself about the relativity of everything and the lack of meaning, and keep buying the spiritual bullshit science is trying us to swallow.
A bunch of fags that can't cure a flu but are certain on how and when the universe was created. gtfo

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>>136431932
catholics dont go to heaven they get left behind on the rapture because they trusted their works and jesus never knew them

sure you can be a moral person but it doesnt matter in gods perspective youre just boasting by thinking ur just gonna be a good person and thats all you need

>>136426568
Read the Book of Luke and the Book of Matthew, even a modern day version if you have to.

Jesus taught the Jews to not spread false gossip (think of the modern day MSM) and he taught them to not practice usury, which was a system of loaning out money on interest (modern day international Jew banks basically). That's why they hate Christ and that's why they hate Christianity.

Yes, Jesus is the ultimate redpill. Have faith on him. /pol/ is a Christian board for a reason.

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>>136426568
yes

1 John 2:22-23
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

>>136427547
>t. cuckolick

>>136428028
I don't go to church, myself, anon. But I should.

>>136426568

OP, I hope and pray you find these useful.


https://www.youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy

https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg

https://www.youtube.com/user/DrOakley1689

Good channels, hopefully they help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97k4z6Qe7JM&t=18s

A true Gospel presentation. Hopefully those who haven't heard watch, and those who have can share this

>>136426568
if you wanna take the jesus redpill, just do what he said: love him and love your neighbor. basically that means just pray and be a good person. if you do that, you will never fear death since you'll be up in heaven with your loved ones.

John iii. 3,4,5,6,7,8.

Jesus said unto Nicodemus, Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a Man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a Man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second Time into his Mother's Womb and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a Man be born of Water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.
That which is born of the Flesh is Flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The Wind bloweth where it listeth and thou hearest the Sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: So is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Matt. xvi. 26.

What is a Man profited if he should gain the whole World, and lose his own Soul? or What shall a Man give in exchange for his Soul?

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John 6
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

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>>136432301
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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>>136432287
nope you just have to believe and get born again


>>136432304
>>136432301

keeping his commandments wont get u saved

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>>136432374

true reality is god

>>136431412
Enlighten us then.
Based on your tone, you appear to be a shill

>>136432446
No shit nigga the verse i posted is faith alone salvation

>>136429035

Don't go to mass and leave it at that. Talk to people. Find a good conservative priest (I've had good experience with Opus Dei, that's what got me converted).

It's all real.

>>136432554
>>136428742
He needed to die and knew he was going to. Read your Bible anon.
Also he is probably torturing most if them right now in Hell.

>>136428742
The West was at its high point when most people were Christians. The West is failing now as most people are becoming atheist and atheism is on the rise.

>>136432495
And God created all reality

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>>136426568
Jesus isn't even a real name.

Dude's name is Josh.

Thats the redpill.

>>136432701
Why did he have to die?

If the Jews didn't kill him, would his mission had been deemed a failure?

>>136432554
Shills don't want you to be Christian.

Christ is a pretty aggressive fellow in The Bible. Debating people and chewing them out, getting mad at his disciples if needed be, and wrecking the money changers out of the temple.

If you read The Bible, and you read in between the lines, you'll note that Christ didn't want to die on the cross. He prayed to God and asked for another way, but if there was no other way, Christ would do what needed to be done. That was his mission. To take all the sin of the world into him and die with it so that we may be justified upon death to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

>>136431412
I dont understand what id be a shill for. I'm just a Christian who used to think the same until I read it for myself. And believe me I wish I could just explain how the popular perception of Jesus is wrong in a few sentences but just like any complex topic it takes time and your own research.

I will say that Jesus constantly ripped on people for being hypocrits and liars. He tore up the temple flipping tables because of the money changers. When he says turn the other cheek back when he was alive if a Roman soldier struck you presenting your other cheek in front of people was seen as an insult and am embarrassment for the romans. He was saying not to fight the powers that be head on but to fight smart. Also how arrogant do you need to be to call God a pussy? You should try to humble yourself a bit and realize your just another guy amongst billions and your not hot shit and I'm not trying to be a dick.

>>136432816
He knew he was going to die ahead of time
John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up
Also the serpent Moses lifted up was for sick people to get healed. Like sinners getting salvation through Christ.
You're saved by believing on Jesus' death and resurrection.

>>136432554
I dont understand what id be a shill for. I'm just a Christian who used to think the same until I read it for myself. And believe me I wish I could just explain how the popular perception of Jesus is wrong in a few sentences but just like any complex topic it takes time and your own research.

I will say that Jesus constantly ripped on people for being hypocrits and liars. He tore up the temple flipping tables because of the money changers. When he says turn the other cheek back when he was alive if a Roman soldier struck you presenting your other cheek in front of people was seen as an insult and am embarrassment for the romans. He was saying not to fight the powers that be head on but to fight smart. Also how arrogant do you need to be to call God a pussy? You should try to humble yourself a bit and realize your just another guy amongst billions and your not hot shit and I'm not trying to be a dick.

>>136426568
read 'the life of Christ' by Fulton Sheen and make up your mind

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>>136433021
jesus does support being a "pussy" thats what meek means

Meek Definitions:
quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive.
enduring injury with patience and without resentment: not violent or strong

turn the other cheek means dont fight back exactly what he said but mighty men of violence dont like that

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pretty much how I feel about this thread rn

>>136433157
You can't take one word and understand Jesus and what he was telling us. You can't take one verse and understand the whole gospel.

This goes back to why you need to read it for yourself. Are you worried it might change your mind?

>>136433088
You should tell him to read the Bible to fund out. This movie is pretty accuate on what happened acording to the KJV
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ZcbjLBtls

>>136429283
Apparently you have not fallen deep enough down the rabbit hole to realize the false prophet of atheism is at odds with logic and rationality; a weapon designed by Marxists and Post-modernists to push humanity into the brink of internal chaos, narcissism, and hedonism. Thus making them dependent on the state and the collective, rather than the enlightenment within provided through constraint and proper moral meditations.

Sure there are many people that accept faith blindly and put no reason behind their belief, but that is due to a limit of intellect. You however have had enough intellect to make a decisive rejection of faith; live a bit longer, think a little bit harder, tread a bit further down that rabbit hole.

>>136426568
>And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
A WEAPON TO SURPASS THE REDPILL
THE BREADPILL

>>136433157
I think Christ would have gone to war with Islam. I mean, in Revelations, He goes to war with Satan's army (the beast of Revelations). Me personally, and many other Christian's alike, believe the beast to be Islam.

(A beast in the Bible is a common way of figuring an ideology).

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>>136433561
im pro jesus i just think hes meek and gentle and non violent and its a good thing


Proverbs 16:32
32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Matthew 5:43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


There is nothing to indicate actual physical violence against the money changers in the temple. Just that he made a scourge.

John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

the bible says jesus didnt ever do anything violent one single time

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.


>>136433767
god judging the world has nothing to do with how he commanded believers to live

its called judgement for a reason

he wants christians to be gentle, meek, loving, forgiving, etc

not violent and fighting other people when he said turn the other cheek unless you want to flip jesus words around to mean something else

>>136433084
Says the guy telling someone else they don't know jesus. Humble and humility is something we all need

>>136426568
Hey, Christianity is NOT about going to church ;)
It's about repenting of your sin and accepting the lord as your savior!

If you intend to accept Christ as your savior, here's a free copy of the King James Bible!
http://www.bibleprotector.com/KJB-PCE-MINION.pdf
Don't worry about copyright law! As long as you live in the US, the KJV's copyright expired!

I recommend starting from the New Testament! The old testament is history and the old Judaic law.

>>136433036
He knew it was coming, but the Jews could have
Let him live and reign as the son of God.
They chose the worst fate for themselves.

>>136426568
Ask God to reveal himself to you.

>>136433987
Nah, I think this anon >>136433561 has it right. Jesus is a pretty complicated fellow. You can't read something in isolation and say that was his whole character. He debated people in the streets until He won, He reprimanded His followers when they couldn't accomplish the task He set them on, He beat despicable merchants out of the temple. A "cuck" would ignore all of those things, back away from an argument, walk past the money-changers and ignore failure from his people.

Be meek and kind is more like an everyday thing. He obviously didn't meekly walk past injustice. It's not flipping His words around, it's reading everything about Him to actually get an accurate picture of what He meant and what He was like.

>>136434464
I just ask?

>>136434538
This is what I did when I was grappling with faith 7 years ago.

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>>136434502
this is Jesus christ character throughout the bible.

does this sound like somebody who retaliates against his enemies? when you get whipped and beaten and you just sit there? and then it says he serves as the perfect example that we should do likewise

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

1 Peter 2:21-23
21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:


i am a "cuck" in that sense because thats the character that jesus wants

violent mighty agressive brawlers of that nature are not godly

Everyone wants to know there's a purpose for them.

We didn't just randomly appear one day. And there was no random "big bang". Ever wonder how so many people who've never met or talked and have had near death experiences come back with nearly identical stories? And it sounds amazing. We have a soul. Our body is temporary. Just a container for our soul.

You don't have to be a church person & nothing wrong with being ignorant. Everyone beings ignorant. Don't be afraid to search for something more than the day to day physical life of bills and materialism. Jesus rocks! You won't lose anything by searching.

>>136431515
THIS.

>>>136428028
Ignore the KJV cult. The only benefit it has over a good modern translation is the ye/thou distinction that has been lost in modern English. They'll rant about "Alexandrian heresies" and "seven-times purified" and "corrupt manuscripts," but they don't really know what they're talking about.

Among modern translations, the ESV is probably the best all-around for English speakers. It possesses a dignified style, is fairly literal, and acknowledges the ancient Christian interpretation of the Old Testament. There are many other excellent translations, though.

Alongside the Bible, you may wish to read various confessions of faith to better understand how different groups of Christians interpret the Bible and their traditions. All should be available online. Some of the important ones:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
http://www.pravoslavieto.com/docs/eng/Orthodox_Catechism_of_Philaret.htm
http://bcponline.org/
http://bookofconcord.org/lc-1-intro.php
http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/
http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html

When you find something that resonates with you, go find that church and introduce yourself.

>>136434866
Like I said, it's complicated. I think everyone should read Luke and Matthew for themselves and find out what they think. I expected Jesus to be a humble lamb, and I found something else entirely, or what I thought was a humble lamb wasn't quite so. He was much more fiery than I would have pictured. He allowed Himself to be tortured and killed when God called upon Him to do it for the sake of mankind, and He even prayed for another path before accepting what had to be done.

Everyone should just read it for themselves.

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>>136428028
You can be a builder without learning how to build or going to carpentry classes. You aren't going to be a very good builder.

Praying is a way to let God in, yes.

Go to a Catholic mass. If you don't like it, go to a different one until you find the one that's right for you. Hell, go to Lutheran churches if there's no Catholic church that you like. Or Orthodox or something.

Find what's right for you.

>>136428742
Turning yourself in when you know you're going to die a painful death requires balls so big that I question how the cross didn't break when they put him on it. That's the only doubt I have about Jesus, that his balls are too big to have been put on the cross.

>>136434937
It's funny that Atheists lambast us for believing in "fairy tales" when their explanation is more stupid than ours. Yes, it just happened for no reason. Life makes no sense, especially multi-cellular life in our form.

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>>136426568

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>>136434393
You should look into NIV and ERV

>>136426568
Yes, you should, and yes it is. I grew up surrounded by Protestants, and my parents were Catholics who "wanted me to pick" growing up; which is strange in these parts as normally it's beaten into a Protestant's brain. It did really good what they did, and now I'm a devout Catholic. I always knew something wasn't right with Protestants by their ways; and Catholism is the best way to really see when a snot Protestant wants something from you. Most Protestants are beggers.

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>>136435320
i see a perfect righteous lamb still


Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

>He allowed Himself to be tortured and killed when God called upon Him to do it for the sake of mankind

god didnt display his sacrifice as a one time thing its a example of how were supposed to live "take up your cross"

thats his true character that were supposed to live the same way

you guys say god is mean when it says god is love

who is right the bible or /pol/

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>>136429283
>gaytheists
>redpilled

>>136433738
You see, Fascist, if Atheism is truly a weapon designed to destroy civilization as you claim, it's clearly not working. There are less and less atheists by the day in the world, and the best countries often have the hightest rate of atheists.
I think that, if lack of faith holds hands with degeneracy, it's a correlation relationship, not a causation relationship. I could be wrong though.

>>136433767
the antichrist will probsbly be a jew and claim he is actually the messiah and that Jesus isn't

>>136435506
My parents did the same thing when they converted. Took two years for me to get baptized, but now I'm more religious than they are.

>is worshipping a Jewish desert pagan cult redpilled?

Yes goyim, of course it is!

>>136435522
You could also correlate lefty tendencies with high IQ. Does it mean that being smart makes you a leftist? I would say no.
Talking about myself, i'm atheist, and yet i will be voting for the religious party due to my conservative views.

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>>136435447
no

>>136434413
Nope. Prophecy in the OT said they would reject him.

>>136435515
"Take up your cross" yes, but we're not Christ. Not many of us are expected to die for our beliefs, we're simply too weak and not good enough. In the Bible, King David went to war to protect his people, killing invaders, and he had his own cross to bare. I don't think we're supposed to sit idly by and watch Christianity die as Islam takes over. What would Christ do if he saw jews worshipping an idol? I think something similar to what He did to the merchants in the temple.

>>136433157
Turn the other cheek means don't get violent over an insult. Slapping someone's face is an attempt to goad them into violence. Don't fall for it, Jesus says. He was obviously okay with legitimate self defense, since he ordered his apostles to arm themselves.

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>>136435319
no

>>136429007
People don't want to understand that, but it's true.

Deus Vult

>>136435877
Sauce?

>>136428018
you must study pure mathematics and the physical sciences as well. these are the foundation of everything, and are nearly infallible

>>136434538
God is already revealing Himself to you. He's drawing you towards Him. That's why you're hungry for knowledge about Him and craving closeness to Him. That's why you're posting here.

Now you ask Jesus to come into your life. When you're alone, talk to him. You can whisper if you want to, but speak to him in solitude. Tell him how you feel, that you feel empty, that you need his help. Ask him for help. That's all you have to do.

>>136435877
>lefties
>smart

>>136435525
Yes, Sweden is such a great country

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>>136436067
david was a huge sinner dude that got saved by faith
nothing he did makes it right

Romans 4:6-7
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

>>136436093
no he said put up your sword into its place

Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

thats why he told them to buy a sword so he could teach them this parable to not use violence

Love Jesus and he will love you too

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>>136436093
this

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>>136436369
i wouldnt post that if i were you thats what i call changing the words of the bible to mean the opposite of the intended meaning

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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>>136434538
Yoi also made this thread
Try reading the Bible and this movie gives a pretty good onshowing what Jesus did. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ZcbjLBtls

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Revelation 21 (probably my favourite cahpter)
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

>>136436311
>david was a huge sinner dude that got saved by faith

That's what we all are.

If you want to live like Christ, then please, be my guest, you will have high honor in Heaven, no doubt. I just don't think Christ is *exactly* what you're saying He was. There was the side to him that allowed Himself to die for our sake, and there was the fiery side to him as well. He wasn't nice to everyone and He wasn't ok and quiet about everything, evidently.

That's why I implore everyone to read Matthew and Luke for themselves. Christ was not what I pictured AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. I was expecting a liberal hippie that told everyone to be nice to each other. Of course, that does happen to a certain extent, but there's a lot more to it than that.

On an unrelated note, one of the bigger redpills for me was when Christ told Jews to stop spreading false gossip (modern day MSM) and to stop the practice of usury (modern day banking jews giving out loans with interest).

Christ is /ourLord/

>>136436579
Interpreting it differently isn't changing it. O konda agree worh what you have neen saying but I'm prettybsure that if someone is tryimg to stab it's okay to push or punch them.

> Is Jesus the ultimate redpill?
> Jesus -
> Is he the ultimate redpill?
> The ultimate redpill. Is it Jesus?
> Is Jesus the redpill which is the ultimate?
> Is Jesus the ultimate pill which is red?
> Is red Jesus the ultimate pill?
> Is Jesus red ultimate pill the?
> The Jesus pill. Is it the red leader?
> Is the Pill red ultimate Jesus?
> Was Jesus on the pill, Red?
> Is Jesus the ultimate redpill?
> Pill it, Red Jesus?
> Is Jesus the ultimate redpill?
no

>>136437031
yes

>>136430811
Dunno if you're still in this thread, but I'll give it my best shot.

From my (limited) understanding, the Eastern Orthodox's orders and rites are held as valid and licit by Rome, and the EO have a very rich and profound understanding of the faith. Obviously, the EO's refusal to accept the primacy of the See of Rome is problematic, and I would point that this manifests itself in the EO's rather un-catholic (aka universal) impact on the world. The charge of Orthodoxy being the purview of ethnic country clubs seems to be- sadly- accurate in many respects. Jimmy Akin's article on this subject has been something I continue to meditate on
http://jimmyakin.com/why-i-am-not-eastern-orthodox

Some strengths about Orthodoxy are their emphasis on the mysteries of faith, theosis, and their unique sacred art. I am also humbled when I think about the suffering the believers in eastern Europe and the Middle East have gone through, and am hopeful that one day we might be reconciled to one another.

God bless you, anon.

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>>136436949
thats all judgement though......

ya he says theres a lake of fire and stuff ... that doesnt tell you about how he wants a christian believer to behave

every thing he teaches about how to live is about loving other people and forgiving and giving and etc etc

you have to understand the difference

just because god judges he says thats the reason why we dont need to avenge our enemies because he will in the end

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

>>136437541
Yes, we are supposed to be non violient but Jesus still is quite violent at times.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 6:15-17
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

>>136437541
So will you willingly invite the Islamic horde into your neighborhood, knowing they will kill you and your family for being Christian?

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>>136437915
once again thats revelation when god puts an end to all unrighteousness in the end. jesus christ didnt do anything violent one single time while he was on this earth serving as an example. and would you consider punishing criminals violence? its judgement... it needs to be done.

you cant use revelation when he btfos satan and his followers and then say see god is a violent man and supports violence its not fair at all

god even says he hates war and will rebuke many people after that

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Psalm 46:9
He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

>>136438231
>jesus christ didnt do anything violent one single time while he was on this earth serving as an example.
....

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>>136437915
>>136438454

god is the opposite of violence

Psalm 11:5
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

how can we live on earth in peace with the meek who inherit the earth when theres violent warlords that god has to take out

these violent people are of satan and they cause the violence god is simply getting rid of them

Genesis 6:11-13
11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

does this sound like a violent person or hes putting an end to the violence?

>>136438231
Yes it is justified

And punishing criminals is voilent

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>>136438745
see>>136438565

how can god HATE VIOLENCE -- DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE

and then meanwhile he is a violent man?

its not possible

this judgement is removing the violence people

Genesis 6:11-13
11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

>>136428018
Good on you, m8. And I couldn't agree more.

I hear atheists say more and more "I hate religion, but I like the community aspect of it".

No, you like religion. You just don't want to admit it because you're arrogant. A community get-together wouldn't be the same. The reason Church works isn't because of the sense of community. I mean, it is partially, but it's because you're in God's presence.

>>136438855
He hates it when it isn't justified.

If someone tortured someone for that guys entire life don't think that person is a bit violent? But God does it to them for eternity.

>>136438855
>this judgement is removing the violence people
Yeah, people are not supposed to be violent.

>>136428028
Keep the Sabbath. It's literally one of the 10 things you have to do. Don't listens to everyone else. You definitely have to go to mass.

>>136439261
Yeah you should but you don't go to hell fir not doing it.

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>>136439135
see so you dont believe in the righteous character of god anyways

to you he is a mean violent guy

>He hates it when it isn't justified.

violence is not justified dude

when someone is convicted of a crime and punished that could be justified

/pol/ thinks you just need to fight back smartly and makes jesus into a mma fighter to be manly and high test when the bible refers to that negatively as a mighty man of violence

>>136439135
>muh hell is torture for eternity

Okay so one guy wrote a book about how he thought hell is like, and suddenly that's Gospel?

All we know for certain as far as Hell is concerned is

>complete separation from God
>you are only there if you don't want a connection with God

That's all. It's probably an endless void for your senses and mind. It could be pure nonexistence, pure nothingness, exactly how Atheists say death is.

So you may be saying, "Anon, where do bad people go then".

Purgatory until they've been cleansed and can go to Heaven. And no, we don't know what Purgatory is either. Nobody does because nobody's been there and been able to tell us. Some people that have died say that you experience how you've treated everyone you've met, meaning that you feel the impact you made on the world from all possible angles.

I think that's the most plausible.

>>136438855
>>136438855

>my bible makes no sense when I take it out of context!

This is immediately following the Tower of Babel and the creation of chimera. Creation was perverted and while God wanted to table flip rage quit Noah was dope as hell (he was albino n sheeit) so he gave him a 120 warning to start building a big damn boat.

So the flood is a response to man reaching/threatening/mocking God and the creation of genetic abominations.

Woah. Deja vu.

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>>136439418
God is the only righteous person ever(Romans 3). And men are are still supposed to be masculine and women feminine. Being masculine doesn't mean being violent.

>>136439415
You don't go to Hell unless you don't want to go to Heaven.

>>136439418
I mean, I can't speak for him, but Catholics don't believe that the flood is as it was written in the Bible. The Bible is a confusing set of books because it was written over literally thousands of years and by many, many different writers with many, many different writing styles interpreted through many, many different cultures and traditions.

More than likely, Noah's Ark is meant to be a moral story, not a historical one.

Genesis is sort of half, there were clearly more than two humans even in the book itself. It's probable that it was a true story, but since it was likely passed orally, it got tainted. This is shown from the story of how the Earth formed being somewhat accurate as far as science is concerned.

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>>136439630
m8 youre not christian if you dont believe in the literal noahs ark story

you havnt yet believed

John 5:46-47
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

>>136432374
Latria
Hypderdulia
Dulia

>>136439441
>not eternity
WRONG
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

>seperation from God
WRONG
You fell his wrath
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
cant find the verse but it says got kindles the flames of Hell. Yoi aren't seperated from him his torturing you.

>>136439791
I didn't say I didn't believe it. I said that more than likely events didn't occur exactly as they were written in the Noah's Ark story. The whole world clearly didn't flood, it's entirely possible that an area did. I said the same of Genesis, that it's ideas and such are true, but the specifics more than likely are based around story. Which is fine, it's how they wrote back then.

Also, explain to me how 1.2 billion Catholics aren't Christian?

>>136439630
I'm pretty sure everyone would want to ho to Heaven but only a few do

>>136439630

But there is no real moral to the flood myth, and hundreds of other flood myths exist with different causes.

Of all events in be bible, the flood is the most likely one to have actually occurred. It is corroborated by the most amount of ancient sources even from distances that make communication impractical.

Why would you not believe the flood happened?

>>136439954
its a literal global flood m8

>explain to me how 1.2 billion Catholics aren't Christian?

works+faith salvation
bible says its faith alone

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>>136439630
>The Bible is a confusing
If try to say everything is sybolozim when it clearly isn't then it migjt be

>>136439873
I am wrong, I looked it up, it's a holdover from my Jehovah's Witness days, but I'm right about it being separation from God.

I mean, essentially, from what I saw, don't be a shitty person and you won't go to Hell. Or at least, don't be in a state of mortal sin intentionally. So like, if you're a 13 year old and you jerk off, you're not going to Hell, but if you're like 20 and you fuck chicks all the time and pay for abortions, you're probably going to Hell.

>>136440122
This. Tower of Babel stuff probably made people lose a bit what it was for different cultures

>>136440136
So be a shitty person, as long as you believe in God, you're fine.

That's not how it works, numbnuts. We're meant to emulate Jesus as much as possible.

Also, to be fair guys, I'm kind of new to this whole "Catholic" thing. It's a learning process, I've been wrong plenty of times before.

>>136440136
divorcing faith and works means divorcing Christ from the Cross

>>136440388
yup

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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>>136426568
Hardline conservative Lutheranism or Baptism are the true forms of Christianity.

Catholic and Orthodox are memes, unless you're a Latino or Slav.

inb4 everybody ITT shits on me

>>136440233
No you are not seperated from Gid, you feel his wrath.

>don't be a shitty person and you won't go to Hell.
Not how it works
Romans 4
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

>>136440388
>>136440502
Yoi still will be pinished on earth for your sins though.

Hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

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>>136440791
this but Baptist us the better one
Baptism
Need to believe.
Acts 8
36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Fully submerged in water.
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Matthew 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
John 3:23
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

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>>136441047
>>136440791

>>136440388

Sure you're meant to emulate him, but the idea that it requires faith and works sounds to me like a LACK of faith in the absoluteness of the mercy of your lord.

But I get how that is a bummer. It of Jesus teaching makes more sense when you can't escape your sins with a last minute apology.
How can I turn the other cheek if justice is diverted to Christ? Is a slight on me not only that, but a slight in Christ ?
Shouldn't I be further disinclined to turn the other cheek, knowing salvation is granted to me as well?

Is the real message for me to show that mercy to Christ, through my assailant?

Was Christ just trying to stop the sin train to make his own shitty job a little less shitty?

>>136441152
please tell me how
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

supports faith plus works salvation.

>in b4 James 2 dead faith
Yeah its dead because its non-productive, but not non-existent. Faith is for Jesus, works are for mankind. Men can't see our faith so they understand us by our works. Dead faith is still faith.

>>136441278
I'm waiting and I want an actual good answer

>>136426568
You're probably a christian shill, but try to believe in God without reliigon instead of subscribing to a false belief.
Gods do get angry at people who worship false gods.

>>136441152
appeal to authority

>>136441278

well protest-faggot ...

what he is saying here, is that you can't earn salvation. It is given by the grace of god. What does that mean? That means that you may do a lot of good deeds, but God may choose not to give salvation to you. You may be an ok person on the other hand, and God may choose to give salvation to you.

But, that does NOT mean that you should not do good things. Good things definitely help you get into heaven, but the final decision is up to God.

>>136441412
> isn't religion an appeal to the authority of God

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>>136441483
>shitty answer
as expected

well lets see what it says "saved through faith" well it looks like you don't have to do any works. ""gift of God" you don't work for gifts you just accept them otherwise it isn't a gift. "not of works" well that's pretty clear you fin' need to do works. "lest anyman should boast" just like the guys in
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(see John 6:38-40 fir Father's will)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It looks like thise people were boastimg and relying on their works "done many wonderful works" AND they had faith "in thy name". But Jesus still told them to fuck off.
Looks like relying on yoir works like orthodox and catholics do has you NOT enter Heaven

>>136431912

Glad to see you posting again anon. This is kind of off the topic of the thread, but I remember you posting in previous ones. I'm also closely following the Sept. 23rd buzz.

What caught my attention is that you said that you were entertaining the thought of suicide of nothing happens that day. I want to say that I wholly believe the sign is a Rapture sign, but am unsure if Sept. 23rd is -the- date.

I don't think we've talked before, but I love you as a brother in Christ and don't want you to harm yourself. Read this.

http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2017/1705-exit-sign.htm#cont

>>136426568
Start off with the book of Matthew. It's pretty powerful.

>>136441899
lel

> misinterpreting bible 101

well, if you like a person aren't you more inclined to give him a gift?

also here it directly says: "he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven". Now can you imagine God that tells you not to do good things ... WHEN HE HIMSELF DID MANY GOOD THINGS?

in this quote from Matthew that you provide, he tries to emphasize the fact that using God as a public spectacle, presenting yourself as a good person to the people by using religion, is not true faith. Also this is supposed to be in contrast to the people in the verses before, which did what?

>>136441492
Yes, to God. Not to some faggots in long robes

Mark 12:38
And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

Luke 20:46
Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

>>136426568
OP, I know Reddit has a pretty ad reputation here and honestly that is well deserved, however if there is at least one good subreddit that would be r/catholicism.

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>>136442215
>still no arguement

The Father's will is believe on Jesus
Matthew 7:21 is saying that yoi can't fake your faith but actually have to believe

And you didn't respond to anything it Ephesians 2:8-9 which was the focus. And yes you should still do works since you will be rewarded for it(Rev 22:12) but it won't get you saved(Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
)

>>136442622
nothing you can do will get you saved.

nothing. even if you "have faith" it won't get you saved.

and I did respond to your Ephesians quote. like did you even read my post?

> what he is saying here is ...

>>136442143
Rapture is post-trib pre-wrath
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvv2HPYdhMA

Also yoi guys always use the no man lnows rhe day or hour so it clearly won't be 9/23/17

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>>136442727
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

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>>136442848

The day or the hour? No. The season and times? Yes.

>1 Thessalonians 5

Additionally, the "unknown day and hour" refers to the Feast of Trumpets and Jewish wedding customs of the day. This year it takes place Sept. 20-22. I am of the opinion that this is the time frame for the Rapture, not specifically the 23rd.

I don't believe the body of Christ will be here to witness the September 23rd sign.

>>136443083

> implying faith is not a gift from God

also sorry, but that's not how people who actually died for their faith (and are not some monks trying to rip you off) thought of this passage.

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>>136432160
just try it a few times a year, once a month perhaps. it will help. rejuvenation after 4chan traumas.

>>136443465
It is a gift from God like Ephesians 2:8-9 says

also
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>136443836
yes, so you don't just produce faith.

you have to ask God for faith. And again it's his choice to give you faith or not.

^ is an explanation of why you're wrong. Because faith is just another link between you and salvation that you have to ask for from God. So if faith does guarantee salvation (suppose it does) then you still have to get it from God, but how do you get it from God?

>It's another warhammer aficcionados mistake christianity for their game episode.

>>136426568
>I have zero affinity for the church.
Read the Bible, use the Church to get baptized (or do it outside) and ya it is still the way even if u get pissed off.

>>136444107
sounds dumb

>>136444479
begone leaf

>>136444107
I didn't ask God for him to make me believe

ITT faggots that can't handle reality and need an imaginary friend.

Most Christians aren't really Christians anyways. They are just shitty people that might attend church once every 5 years and do nothing to help others.

How can God expect forgiveness from man when the world He created is total garbage and a five year old could do better? God can go to hell.

>>136426568
>king of the jews sacrificed in blood ritual for your sins
>because of this unsolicited sacrifice, you must submit soul to (((YHWH))) for eternity or else you burn in "hell"
>take the redpill and turn the other cheek goy!
>t. Schlomo

Have fun accepting a passive role in your spirituality syphoning off your spiritual energy to (((them)))

Daily reminder the "globalist satan worshipping gay pedophiles" aren't listening to marilyn manson, reading from anton lavey, they're incorporating hebrew language via kabbalistic teachings to actively harness their collective spiritual energy.

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I recommend to all anons in this thread to leave the KJV, and to take up the NIV, best translation of the Bible to date!

>>136426568
Read the Bible. Start with Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, and Colossians.