US WANTING TO REPLACE M4 WITH A 7.62MM RIFLE

>>136420135
7.62 NATO not 7.62 Commie.

you don't know about the 7;62 Nato, u uneducated pleb

>>136420135
like .308
you're fucking retarded and don't know about guns.

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M14 or nothing.

>>136420135
Isnt that taking a step back as far as infantry purpose firearms development?

>>136420135
>Military advancements are bad
According to you we should still be using the M14
You are a faggot

>>136420135
7.62 nato is still used you disgusting faggot.

Good idea - 7.62 round should tear through most commie bloc tier body armor with ease...

Boy am I glad I don't have to hump around with a combat load of 7.62 on me

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>>136420135
>Hating freedumbs rifle as an american
seriously bro

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>>136420135
Retard

Are you stupid? An AR-15 type rifle with a more powerful cartridge would be ten times better.

>>136420135
Jesus, just buy a bunch of .300 Blackout AR platforms.

That's why the round was invented.

But nope. They're going to waste a billion dollars coming up with the F-35 of battle rifles.

>>136420759
Moron, the AR-10 already exists.

>>136420746
kek how can rooskie bois even compete?

>>136420785
.300 blackout at any actual distance beyond 100 yards is fucking useless. Retard.

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>>136420759
like an AR-10 or SCAR 17?

>>136420759
ar-10?

>>136420446
heavy and fud tier

>>136420471
lol no
The current generation m4 is fine for the general population. It's lightweight, which is a huge plus for most people.
It's not even close to the best rifle though. Shot 40/40 on a popup range with an m4. I know that thing well.

>>136421011
ar-15 built for.308 or 7.62 nato.

They look the same, who the fuck cares?

>>136420473
>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/05/breaking-7-62mm-rifle-replace-m4-carbine-interim-combat-service-rifle-solicitation-released-us-army/
not op but did you even read it?

give hk g3 plox

>>136420135
Soldier here.
5.56 is nice for the light infantry because you can carry a bunch of ammo and it won't weight you down while on foot patrol.

>>136420446
unironically this

>>136421086
AR-15 is essentially a scaled down AR-10

>power
bullets are meant to move into your house not shake your hand and jump out the window!

>>136420135
>RUSSIA PUTS PRESIDENT IN OFFICE
>RUSSIA PUTS BULLETS IN GUN
>RUSSIA PUTS GUN IN MILITARY
HOW WILL AMERICA EVER RECOVER?

it's fucking shameful we still use DI crap in the year of our lord 2017

>>136420473
>>136420521
>>136420744
>>136420759
7.62 would have less magazine capacity and more recoil which is worse for modern suppressive fire tactics

>>136420744
I've no idea how that ugly piece of junk can look so fucking good.

>>136420446
This, my god this.
this will teach you fucks not to waist ammo.

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>>136420135
why not just replace with laser guns??!!!!!
wow US military so archaic!!!!!!

>>136420744
best rifle in the world, accept no substitutes

>>136420135
You're a fucking retard 7.62x51 not 7.62x39
Kill yourself.
Ar10 308
308 is way better then fucking 5.56x45

>>136421142
Whats your MOS guy? 0302 come 2018 summer

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>>136421206
We won't.

>>136421253
>2017
>still thinking you're smarter than Eugene Stoner was

>>136420744

Great rifle but heavy af. Upgrade that mag to 30 and we're good to go!

I get the whole stopping power aspect but from what i've gathered, about 250k rounds are expended per kill, thus a smaller cartridge one can carry more of, and place down range faster, was deemed more practical.

Also

This isn't /k/.

>>136420135
Who needs armor piercing when most enemy combatants don't have body armor. Also, it's not as if the 7.62 can't pierce armor. I suspect there are also some logistical benefits to having virtually all crew-serve weapons (minus pistols) be one caliber--carbines, long rifles, machine guns, all 7.62.

It's been so long. What were the arguments for the 5.56 again?

>>136421420
Time to become a man.
7.62 nato all the way baby

>>136420135
The rounds are smaller but they have more power behind them and are higher velocity. Probably will penetrate armor better.

Or I could just be wrong and our massive military is actually making a retarded decision (probably for Israel).

>>136421142
Law Enforcement is started to head back towards 7.62x51mm/.308 Winchester or towards 6.5mm/6.8mm. Too many civilian body armor on the market. We just finished getting our order of Mk. 17/Mk. 17CQ, and will exclusively be using M61 AP.

>>136421420
t.manlet leaf

>>136421265
With my FN FAL I will not be "suppressing anything ... it will blow limbs clean off, if you get hit by one of these you are very likely to die
former army here, trained on FN FAL, never liked the switch
yes the FAL is heavier, yes it has less capacity, but it fucking kills shit dead, very few people get "wounded" by one of these

>>136420135
for the love of god yes let this happen the market will be flooded with cheap fucking ammo and surplus M4s

>>136421476
ground troops can waste bullets until they call in air support.

>>136421387
don't talk to me kekistan fag

>>136421603
>being tall is good in war
maybe if you want to be a lamp post

>>136421043
weak and mallninja

>>136420135
They're buying 50,000 units. Not replacing all of them

>>136421163
We are in agreement.

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>>136421476
>What were the arguments for the 5.56 again?
mo bullets mo problems
>>136421476
>Also, it's not as if the 7.62 can't pierce armor.
5.56 pierces armor too
>>136421507
>The rounds are smaller but they have more power behind them and are higher velocity.
7.62 is bigger and heavier (more kinetic energy) than 5.56, and typically has a lower muzzle velocity

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>The M14 wins again

>>136421482

I almost get a tear of nostalgia when I see the FALs on the news. Too bad it's always some shithole in Central Africa.

>>136420135
Just give everyone Mosin Nagants and stop being faggots

They've been talking about this for a decade at least, but they'll never stray from ol' M4. They waste millions of dollars, test a bunch out, then go back to the M4.

Fun Fact: the M16 and M4 are the longest service life of any rifle fielded by the military in our history.

>>136421265
>rifleman
>suppressing fire
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>136421476
>What were the arguments for the 5.56 again?
Intermediate cartridges were developed and adopted as a response to actual combat studies and data.
7.62NATO was adopted because 'muh 30 cal stoppin powah!'

>>136420135
Please be MK14.

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>>136421011
>>136420759
It would be either the LMT or HK716

>>136421712
I'm not too savvy on this shit so thanks for the info.

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>>136421712
>only one poster with gun girls in this entire thread

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Also, this was coming even with the LSAT Program.

>>136421772
>You will never own a C1A1
Make Canada Great Again

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>>136421746
The shit storm online would be amazing

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>>136421886
Wrong image.

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>>136421670
manlet as in weaksauce as in you.

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>>136422000
>mfw best girl wins again
THIS IS MY RIFLE
THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE

>>136422049
I'd manage her recoil

>>136420939
>He doesn't realize that .300 blackout comes in regular supersonic loadings with an effective range of 500 meters or more

Sounds about right, replacing an upjumped varmint round with Real Fuckin NATO.

>>136420135
7.62 x 51 is still US
7.62 x 54 or 7.62 x 39 are ruskie

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>>136422212

>>136421336
Little bitch ass boot

>>136421642
Nah, the government will just destroy them like they did with that giant batch from the 80s

>>136422091
why is the lower so bulky and hideous?

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>>136420135
Idiot

>>136421609
still rubbish for suppressive fire which is what you'll be doing 90% of the time

that's why we shifted to an intermediate cartridge to begin with

>>136421886
This is what will actually replace the 5.56, well at least the caliber

>>136420471
Since more muslim freaks are wearing body armor, need more stopping power.

>>136420135

Nice.

>>136422241
It is using CTA(Telescoping) Ammunition.

>>136422049
1st round hit maybe, after that OVER OVER OVER OVER

>>136422241
It's a prototype.

>>136421642

They don't want civs owning m4s.

>>136421805
Do riflemen not use suppressing fire?
Genuine question, everything I know about modern military tactics is from Full Spectrum Warrior on the original XBox.

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>>136420135
>7.62
>commie
(you)

Fake news
It's gonna be a 6.5 by Hornady. Whether that is the Grendel or Creedmor Idk

>>136421918
>>You will never own a C1A1
>Make Canada Great Again

Most excellent. First got to wield one in army cadets and later in the reserves. Shows my age though. First did target practice/drill with .303 Lee-Enfields and later the FN FALs. Good times! Even got to play around with old 9mm Sterling SMGs. Thanks for the memories!

>>136422049
>woman can't be good figh-
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG!

>>136420135

Remember, these contracts go to the lowest bidder.

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>>136422049

>that outer forearm muscle

>>136422297
maybe suppressive fire is a dumb strategy?

>>136422345
They do
t. Former Infantry

>>136420135
>another year
>another the US military will replace the M4 with a 7.62 rifle
K. Keep me posted

>>136421882
>>136421902
>>136421921
>>136422049
>>136422186
>>136422212
>>136422230
>>136422298
i dont get this, are you a beta male? are you a feminist? do you get turned on by muh empowered women?

>>136421918
C1A1 is just canadian version of M4
the old FN FAL were better imo, we still have them
and they are refered to as "Heavy assault weapon" what ajoke,
alot of it depends on application to
if your in countryside or bush then you want the hard hitting weapons, if your in an urban environment, them M4 is very versatile, but I still say if I had to choose just one I'd pick up the FAL, just for its ability to tear people apart, it will turn your head into a crimson mist,

when you absolutely positively have to put people down with every shot, the FAL is the winner, its alot more accurate then an AK, very rugged, and very powerful

its a mans rifle

>>136422100
Let's be fair now, there's an important role for manlets to serve in war.
Operating a stationary machine gun and having a small profile, and being sent down foxholes with a .45 and a knife.

>>136421320
Cmon... we seen Star Wars... laser guns don't hit anything.

>>136422424
>did Drills with Lee Enfields
Jesus Christ Gramps, what happened to Canada. Right before your eyes

>>136420135

I thought they were seriously looking at a 300

>>136422602
>not watching girls shoot guns
What are you gay?

>>136421330
Heavier round, more recoil

>>136422624
FN FAL is an inaccurate piece of shit like an AK.

>>136421336
Not even a fucking boot yet, get the fuck outta here leg

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>>136420135
spess muhreens when

>>136422631
and tanks and aircraft.

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>>136422473
yes, let the enemy just stroll into defilade positions

>>136420243

What's the difference?

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>>136422602
bin it

>>136422473
no it's very effective, learn why the m16 was developed
>>136422724
i don't get the appeal

>>136422091
That looks fucking atrocious.

>>136421826
Did you mean HK417?

t. noguns

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>>136422843
*blocks your path*

>>136422898
The amount of Patriotism in every round.

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>>136422898
7.62 NATO is twice as powerful.

>>136422929
you don't think an army can ever make a mistake? hitler didn't like assault rifles.

>>136422602
ahmed, go fuck goats

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>>136422602
tits are good
guns are good
tits + guns is extra good

>>136422234
>>136422813
buddy first summer at quantico is over next is when I graduate and actually earn title of 0302. But yeah Im a boot. I mean cmon who doesnt want to say theyre in officer training

>>136422425
They need to bring this fucker back.

>>136420446
Wendy Peppercorn was a sexy bitch. Squints did nothing wrong.

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>>136422929
>i'll always be home when the attacker rapes my wife

>>136422978
>BR
>7.62mm
Fuck off scrub

>>136422756
Get stronger and 5.56 hits with fuck all stopping power.
Its been reported over and over again by armed forces that they need to hit cunts over 10 times to drop them in combat.
We need a bullet that can hit hard and carry heaps of ammo.

>>136423047
>hitler didn't like assault rifles.
is.. is this supposed to be some authoritative figure on military tactics?

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Intermediate cartridge is the only way to go.

>>136422929
>not watching titties and ass bounce
Plus I think it's kinda hot when they shoot, that is, if they can actually shoot the damn thing and not look retarded.

>>136420135
7.62 NATO you fucking moron, not the commie 7.62x39mm you fucking retard.

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>>136420746

>>136422929
observe the jiggling of the ass and tits
observe the fit and capable women they are attached to
i, and many others, find this to be aesthetically pleasing

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>>136423079
>girl who knows how to use gun

my dick is hard, desu.

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>>136422843
>>136422978
Their both in the same caliber
7.62x51

What ever happened to Grendel?

werent the main reasons for switching from 7.62 to 5.56 that soldiers could carry more ammo and that, since getting actually hit is, compared to the amounts of bullets spent, pretty rare and getting hit with either of those bullets wouldnt really make a difference in most scenarios?

wouldnt in make sense to develop a more powerful 5.56 chambered bullet make more sense?

>>136423141
no I'm just saying war constantly changes and maybe it's not as effective as once thought.

>>136420135
>7 weapons for testing
Fucking finally, I can't wait to see new firearms.

>>136422898
>What's the difference?

>Being a Burger
>NOT KNOWING THE GOD DAMN DIFFERENCE

Get the fuck out of my country you fucking heathen communist fuck

>>136420135

They say this shit like every 5 years, they will spend a couple billion dollars running tests on various weapon systems and then ultimately conclude that it isn't worth the cost to replace the M4A1.

>>136423142
5.45x39 > all

>>136423247
Their still doing testing with 6.5 grendel and 6.5 creedmore

>>136423221
Ahhh but the BR gets better range.

>>136420135
>7.62 nato being re-adopted
>women allowed on front line roles
Can't wait for muh shoulder sexist cartridge
>>136422898
Kys

>>136423275
maybe things will be different with Trump

>>136423140
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. A 556 will kill the fuck out of someone under 200 yards and will really ruin someone's day out to 500. That is the point of an intermediate around and is exactly what a 7.62 soviet round will do. I would support them doing a 7.62 NATO DMR per squad

>>136423254
you may well be right
i will, however, let people much smarter than you or i determine that

>>136423221
"no"

BR fires 9.5x40mm

>>136422305
That's what M855A1 was invented for. Going to a larger caliber is dumb as fuck. Can't carry or transport nearly as many rounds. You automatically lose 10 rounds per magazine. They should work on a better cartridge that fits in an a standard 30-round AR mag only needs the barrel changed out.

>>136422500

They don't, current infantry.

The rifles exists purely to keep the gunner safe.

>>136422843
>The Virgin 'Assault' Rifle


>>136422978
>The Chad Battle Rifle

>>136423450
Ah. Didn't know that. Thanks.
Thought they were the same

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8mm Kurz

>>136423140
>they need to hit cunts over 10 times to drop them in combat.

Well maybe they shouldn't use M855

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>has a bigger collection than you

what is your excuse?

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>>136423026
God damn you people are brain dead. 7.62 represents the projectiles width. tons of round are 7.62mm to name a few 7.62x51 NATO, 7.62x54R, .300 blackout, 7.62x39, .303 british and 7.62x25 Tokarev. pic unrelated

>>136422390
I hope it's Grendel

>>136421265
(you)

>>136423485
So what do you do when bounding across open terrain while being shot at?

Yell bang?

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>>136423409

It's not up to him to decide.

As much as I'd prefer a 7.62 NATO rifle just for my own peace of mind, it's pretty unlikely. The Army just finished replacing all the M4s with M4A1s like a year ago.

The G28, a HK417 variant, just replaced the M110 SASS so maybe the HK417 will replace the M4A1 but that's getting my hopes up.

>>136422624
This.

M16 was a mistake, we should have just adopted the FAL and not been autistic about it.

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>>136422390
Forgot pic

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>>136420473
>this fag has a problem with based Betsy

>>136423729
>tight pants
>tighter groupings

I have a PTR 91 and it's a fucking great rifle.

>>136423851
I hear the hk417 is a damn good rifle too

>>136423535
Kek

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>>136423901

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>>136420599
>Boy am I glad I don't have to hump around with a combat load of 7.62 on me

Women can barely wield a M4. Can you imagine the ass pain attempting to drag around a 7.62 and it's combat load?
I seriously think they are doing this on purpose ...
That said, HK417 gonna slay !!!!

Cap this.

It's almost like 5.56mm is absolutely shit in warfare.

>>136424132
Women don't belong

>The end

The intention of 5.56 was to wound, not to kill, thus removing multiple combatants from the battlefield. The enemies we face today don't give a shit about their wounded comrades and just leave them wounded while they scurry off to safety. This tactic is obviously outdated. It's time to start killing.

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>>136424194
>Women don't belong

>>136422898
7.62x51 NATO has no curve in a magazine, they stack very easily and are larger, see a FN-FAL 20 round and FN-FAL 30 round magazine, the 30 round magazine is just significantly longer and not a curved mag

7.62x39 has a very noticeable curve in their magazines and is why they're ironically called "banana clips"

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>>136423384
>muh shoulder sexist cartridge

>>136424321

Thanks I was actually hoping for an explanation and you provided one.

Is one round superior to the other? I thought the banana shaped magazines were just so they could add more rounds without the magazine being obtrusively long.

>>136422500
>>136423485
It is an option, not what they are supposed to do.
For suppressive fire it is better use other guns.

Current nerd.

>>136424141

It works great when you are within 300m or indoors clearing rooms.

The problem is that most engagements that US Soldiers find themselves in still take place at ranges beyond the effective range of 5.56 from a carbine platform.

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>>136424303
Women belong on my penis
Not on the battlefield

>>136423047
>hitler didn't like assault rifles
because he hadn't seen their effectiveness
>>136424451
neocon kike servant

>>136423895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrPjlcJ3rtY

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>>136424527
But damn if they didn't make a beautiful sub machine gun.

>>136421316
>this will teach you fucks not to waist ammo.
yeah who needs to carry all that ammo on a belt if youre a good shot

>>136424266
>The intention of 5.56 was to wound, not to kill
either ignorant or troll

Stop the fuddmemes please.

>>136422624
Correction. The C1A1 was the Canadian version of the semi-automatic version of the FN FAL. The C2A1 was the full auto version for the section automatic.

What you are thinking of is the C8 which is the Canadian version of the M4, and the C7 is the Canadian version of the M16.

The main issues with the FN FAL was that they were quite uncontrollable in full auto.

Smaller, high power cartridges were later adopted for a variety of reasons...a soldier could carry more ammo. A laser fast, quick moving projectile is very accurate and just as deadly as a slower, heavier round...as far as human flesh is concerned.

The rumours you hear about nato/western militaries switching back from a 5.56x45 NATO (556) to the 7.62X51 (762) is TRUE. Body armour technologies are becoming more advanced (kevlar, different composites), and the 556 is not penetrating the new armour on the battlefield, where as the 762 has more energy and has a higher chance. In cases where the 556 does not penetrate, it also does not yield a devastating punch like the 762.

In Canada, the latest C8, the C8A4 will be 762, and I wouldn't be surprised if/when they unleash the M4A4 it will be 762 as well.

Dem hoes gunna die

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>>136420135
>The primary justification for the ICSR program are improved ceramic body armors that are resistant to existing forms of small arms ammunition. The logic goes that the Army’s new 5.56mm M855A1 round cannot penetrate these new armors, and therefore the service must switch to a new round. However, this is misleading, as current 7.62mm M80A1 is incapable of penetrating these body armors either – and specialty tungsten cored ammunition in both 5.56mm and 7.62mm calibers are capable of penetrating armor of this type. The US Army seems to be banking on its yet-undescribed XM1158 ADVAP round to bridge this gap – however Chief Milley himself admitted in testimony to Congress that the ADVAP’s design could be applied to either 7.62mm or 5.56mm ammunition.

>These facts leave us with very little justification for the move to 7.62mm. It’s difficult to ignore the picture that a move towards a larger caliber infantry rifle has been lobbied for by manufacturers for over a decade, as it would give whoever won a toehold on a highly lucrative exclusive contract. Sadly, all this program will do is take a load off Chief Milley’s back, and put it on the backs of our troops. One wonders if General Milley is willing to write to families of the dead when ICSR-equipped units run dry of ammunition and are overrun by 5.45mm-armed foes.

just the military industrial complex doin what it do

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I think that more soldiers need to hunt. All the best shots are hunters. I'm a hunter and my first deer was shot in the nostril, my first wall hanger was... well... I'll let a pic speak for me.

>>136421043
For you

>>136423047
The nazis literally invented the assault rifle (sg44) late in the war. Since so few were produced, their full potential was never realized

>>136421476
I believe it was adopted to minimize over-penetration along with other more obvious reasons

>>136421265
>doesn't realize the average infantry engagements have a distance of 400 meters
.308 is a much better round for distance.

>>136420135
Wow it's fucking nothing, they're aren't going to replace the platform anytime soon.

>>136424699
>Smaller, high power cartridges
Medium power.

>>136423769
me too. I think it will happen though some friends are still in and there's more talk about the 6.5 than going back to 7.62

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>>136424640
>muh yutubes videos
>served with First Fatty Brigade at Gamestop

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>>136424527
>neocon kike servant
yea I could believe that but he seems skilled and I like mad dohg memes. redpill me on General Mattis?

>>136424659
>ignorant

Look it up

>>136423806
That's what the Germans and Swedes do.

>>136423881
>that slight slope

aww hell yeah, thats a fantastic falloff for marksmen.

>>136424266
No. It's not.

POF Revolution. Problem solved.

>>136424983
Yes thank you for the correction

>>136424876
Hitler also invented the blow up sex doll

>>136423047
>hitler didn't like assault rifles


>what is the STG44 aka the blueprint to assault rifles

Uneducated people deserve public death and shaming.

>>136424876
>so few were produced
they made over 400,000 and used them extensively in the East. There were so many of them that Russia sent bulk quantities to mid-eastern and african client states that the rifles and ammunition are still being used in conflicts today, such as in Syria.

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>>136424991
>boomer can't deal with his old and busted rifle is old and busted
embrace the new hotness old man
https://youtu.be/PYfGq1yk66Q?t=2m43s

>>136420785

Gotta spend that military budget somewhere. Think of the economy if we didn't!

I have both and would never go to war with .223 when most enemies are engaged with small arms fire at a distance over five hundred yards. .308 is a better round in every respect.

>>136420135
Did we not win WWII with 762

...

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>>136420446
>M14

Ceramic body armor is cheap as chips now. 5.56 ammo was designed in the 50s to deal with heaps of poorly geared Soviet conscripts. 7.62 is more appropriate for smaller more specialized troops like are common today.

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>>136425219
I've pissed more salt water than you will ever cross, Junior.

>how does that feel?

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>>136420135
Haha. Funny story my father told me from when he was in the norwegian army. So they were out playing war-games with the US somewhere in the norwegian mountains, and so when the US soldiers were hiding behind trees and wooden buildings, so if they got shot at while hiding, they were assumed as killed or wounded by the observers.

Likewise, when the situation was reversed with the norwegians being behind the trees and buildings, and got shot at by the US, they were assumed alive by observers.

The difference between M4 and AG3, is astoundishing.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF EUGEN STONER IS GOING ON

>>136425252

Technically we did. 30-06 is 7.62×63mm.

>>136424994
it's not mattis himself, any politician who pushes the idea that countries like russia and iran are enemies of america is doing the jew's bidding

>>136424991
That guy works for Fox News

>>136422898
Retard, its 7.62x51, not 7.62x39.
We have been using x51 as a standard cartridge since like 1959 when we adopted the M14. Its also used in marksman roles, as well as being used on machine guns such as the M240.

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>>136425381
>Funny story my father told me
Did he tell you your real dad was a nigger?

>>136423480
THey are working on the better cartridge now. These 7.62x51 rifles are to replace 50,000 current m4s, that's it. Basically adding more at the squad level. It's a place holder until they develop whatever 6.5mm they decide to go with

>>136423729
She has 6, I have 11 or 12.

>>136425252
No. That was .30-06. And we were fighting dudes using fudd rifles with 5-round mags.

>>136425465
They aren't our friends either, anyone who pushes the idea that Iran and Russia are allies or friends to the US is fucking retarded.

>>136420135
Because they know 5.56 is a fucking wet pussy of a round... If you own an AR15 youre a retard. Never pick up anything less thren a .30 caliber if its a rifle

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>>136424017

I have couple of decades of shooting experience with the M-16, and cleaning it's carbon crusted filthy parts. It's a good rifle.
Bought a MR556 and a MR762 ... gas piston all the way. They are excellent rifles.
The HK416 and HK417/G28 are the choice of the most operators.

>>136425026
Yes, look it up yourself. It's a dumbassed fuddmeme that has zero basis in the reality of wounding and killing. Probability of death is proportional to the probability of incapacitating injury - thus, any round that wounds better also kills better. And it's not predictable enough to try to dial in an exact "amount" of wounding.

Also death takes time in almost every case. So a wounded soldier that dies is still attended to by his comrades.

Third, look up the disparity in wound channel profile between an M193 out of a 20" and M80 out of a 22". The 5.56 round actually is better at wounding.

>>136422898
7.62x39 fits in my commie SKS
7.62x51 does not.

>>136425671
>I'm literally an idiot that knows 0

>>136425792
>7.62x39 fits in my commie SKS

Enjoy your meme "innawoods" gun.

>>136425637
according to this dude >>136425446 it is a 762, and we aren't talking about guns, we're talking about ammunition.

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>>136424512

>>136425655
why aren't they your friends?

>>136425544
And bet your ass it'll be a 6.5mm. I'm betting Grendel or 26 Nosler.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_British

when you realize the british had it right all along

>>136425729
>cleaning your rifle

Not even needed but for like every 1000 rounds, probably can go longer than that most of the time.

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>>136421291
DONT YOU CALL HER UGLY

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>>136425366
Like I'm talking with an autistic NEET who is larping asperger flashbacks from his days in the chairborne

>>136421711
Just like jamal has an agreement with your wife.

>>136425898
My guess is that it'll be some new snowflake. The military is autistic af. With that being said 6.5g is a cool round

>>136425945

In the military cleaning your rifle is an every day task in the field.

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>>136425765
>talks about "wounding"

Let's hear bout it, pog.

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>>136420446

>>136426056
Even when it doesn't need it and you never fired a single shot out of it. Which leads to malfunctions due to over-cleaning.

>>136426056
Which is fucking stupid

>>136420744
my waifu is an FN FAL :3

>>136421265
I used the 7.62 in our ag3's in the military. The recoil is next to nothing, it's like a powerful air rifle.

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>>136425381
>Norwegian humor

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>>136425964
>Like I'm talking with an autistic NEET who is larping asperger flashbacks from his days in the chairborne

Let me guess...

Your Flip mom told you stories about your hero dad, so you went out and bought a pop gun.

>I'm your daddy

>>136425637
.30-06 is 7.62x63. 7.62 NATO is designed to be ballistically equivalent, just with a shorter case length.

>>136425887
>and we aren't talking about guns, we're talking about ammunition.
>Thinks the two are not related
Sperging hard here. Volume of fire counts, so does weight of ammo, and going to a caveman round for everybody is going to cripple American soldiers when faced with the same ol' AK they've fought for 50 years and its nice light intermediate round.

>AR vs AK

False dichotomy. A solid firearms arsenal contains both AR and AK variants

Kalishnikov was NOT an engineer. He was a tinkerer. Engineers by nature would be aghast at the loose toleranced and overall "sloppy" nature of the AK design. But that provided its best characteristic - uncomparably reliable performance regardless of maintainence and enviornmental hazards. Or in laymans terms, it still shoots when fouled (ARs not so much)

>>136426121

Yeah it's fucking stupid but it's how the military operates and they base their standards around that kind of shit.

>>136422843
Gawd I wish this was real

>>136425881
They were like 60 bucks in the 90's and were still pretty cheap pre 2012.

is the US military finally learning from the past? replacing 5.56 with 7.62 seems to indicate they're switching from "cower in a hole and call air support" to "actually shoot the fucker," which is the needed doctrine for COIN.

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>>136424991

tfw he actually spent money to purchase a marine uniform that would fit over that fat belly.
i get having pride in the uniform, however your fat ass makes that uniform look like shit and demeans it.
someone should let him know.

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>>136426063
>Let's hear bout it, pog.
Thank you, yes lets hear about it, neverserved.

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>>136426414

Just in time for us to switch from COIN to fight a conventional war with North Korea.

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>>136420135
This is bullshit.
How are US Military full of trannies going to be able to handle that recoil?

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>>136426063

>>136426399
Never post that again.

>>136426326
That's the story. It's not literally the same round and it's big and heavy compared to 5.56. Basically nobody wanted 7.62 NATO apart from some American generals who hadn't seen combat since the Kaiser surrendered and thus couldn't be made to understand the advantage of 7.92 kurz. It's unloved and apart from the M249 and DMR applications, practically useless.

>>136420135
They wont do it because it weighs more

>>136426338
OP wasn't talking about a specific gun.. He was talking about the transition from 556 to 762.
>sperging hard
Says the one sperging over gun vs ammo...

.308 does a much better job of making drugged out goat humpers sit down.

>>136420135
Basically the same bullshit they've said for 25 years. The round they supposedly want to replace 5.56 with has no advantage, while the tungsten core version of any of those rounds performs better. It's Military spending bullshit.

>>136426437
Wasnt that guy involved in a case of stolen valour?

In B4 30 cal clips....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0

This state senator had to be trolling, right?

>>136426437
He's an imposter regardless, why would he care how he is presenting the uniform?
Aside from his ribbons being all jacked up and out of order, he has a SEAL trident on his coat, and what appears to be an army decoration of sorts too.

>>136426515
>conventional war with North Korea.
Nerve gas and nukes is conventional now?

>>136426515
YESSSSSSS

>>136424321
is non curved better for belt fed?

>>136426535
All the female (male) soldiers should be fine. The only soldier trannies I've heard of were mtf.

>>136420446
>I don't want no teenage queen I just want my m14

>>136425881
I picked it up for like 200 bucks. I have a few others too, but it's great fun to shoot. Ammo is cheap af too, 500 rounds for 180 bucks.

>>136426063
You want the bullet to stay in the body and no overpenetration. Overkill is inefficient unless you line up people.

>>136426562
it's a very british photo though

>>136426630
No, leftist are really like this

>>136421815
7.62 rifles are making a comeback due to combat experience. Long range fighting in Afghanistan has the US and many other western countries looking for more powerful rifles to supplement the assault rifles which have become standard across most armies.

>>136426665

Technically speaking, yes they are.

It would only turn into a COIN operation after we turned the surface of North Korea into a proxy moonscape like we did in the 50s.

The potential upcoming conflict with North Korea would likely be a repeat of the first go around, only hopefully with less Chinese people involved.

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All you fags larping as gun nuts when i put money on the fact non of you know the year model of these puppies and then the round size.

>>136426888
>No, leftist are really like this

Kek. It's the same up here with the 'military-style rifles' that the media loves to throw around. The comments section in that video are hilarious

>>136426583
The idea with adopting 7.62 NATO was so that you would have a standard infantry rifle, automatic rifle and light/heavy machine gun round. While overall the .280 would make for a good infantry rifle round there was more to be desired for the latter roles. The idea was that all NATO countries would have one rifle, and one ammunition for when the soviets invade. That being said though, nobody was on board for anything of that sorts except for the ammunition type. The brits wanted .280, the germans wanted to locally produce an FAL (the belgians wouldn't allow it), the brits wanted the EM2 rifle, and the US wanted 7.62x51.

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>>136426723
currently

>>136420135
This has to be a bait thread if you are using the shy snake flag and pretend to not know the difference between 7.62x39 by 7.62x51.

Yawn...... these rumors go round and round the internets every couple of months. I hate to break it to you, but youre stuck with 5.56 rifles and the m9 beretta for the forseeable future.

>>136421772
FALs wer eoriginally designed for that .280 british round, which was smaller than 7.62 nato. 7.62 nato is obsolete as fuck.

>>136427110
>sigs literally already shipping to campbell

>>136426968
7.62 nato is a shit round at distance, it effectively goes no further than 5.56

>>136424468
7.62x51
>longer effective range
>more kinetic power
>stoppahn powah
>bigger bulletz
>harsher recoil
>more weight

>5.56
>more bulletz
>less range
>less kinetic energy
>smaller bullet
>easier to handle recoil
>lots more bulletz (about 2x more)

Different strokes different folks. For room clearing dont want to be the guy with the BR. For standoff and long range engagments i might want a bit more oomf then my carbine can muster.

>>136424782
>run dry of ammunition and are overrun by 5.45mm-armed forces

What kind of fantasy is this? The US military is quite well-supplied and has excellent combined arms. I'm not even arguing in favor of a larger-caliber rifle here. The argument doesn't make sense.

>>136427131

How come they don't design underbarrel tazers for LEOs?

>>136423806
Run faster or have the lmg already set up and providing cover fire. Combats in cities and urban area have tons of cover and ways to break line of sight. A harder hitting round that can penetrate light cover and still kill is a GOOD thing.

Use the 5.56 on the saw in a set position to take down in opfor in the open and use the 7.62 heavy rounds for precision and coverbusting duties.

Simple logic. Just use your fucking brain.

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>>136426997

Clearly a .12 gauge

How you like them apples you nigger-faggot.

>>136426515
>>136426414
Could the US even fight a war with only air parity, not superiority, now? I have a serious question about how many grunts these days would actually make uncovered maneuvers with +50% casualty probabilities.

>>136426997
Grease gun 1954
AK-SU 74 1974
STG 80 1944

>>136427269
7.62x51 is barely more effective than 5.56. 556 shoots significantly flatter trajectory, they should go with 6.5 or something.

>>136426834
HI McIntosh

>>136420135
Ammotech here.
Pushing around boxes of A059 sure beats kicking around boxes of A165

>>136427291

Whoever wants to steal this idea will make millions.

>>136422925
Didn't a bong explain long ago that those things are great because the police empty those out before the actual trash cans ever get serviced?

>>136423026
Body armor is rated in several classes. The first class that can handle rifle ammunition handles 7.62mm AP rounds. Bumping up to 7.62mm gives you extra weight with minimal performance increases.

>>136427284
more shots>better penetration when fighting muhammed in a hot desert where no one realistically wears body armor. It means not taking shots you might have scored, and reduces the intensity of cover fire.
7.62 is an inferior round for GI rifles. DMR rifles, maybe, but normal GI does not need to be carrying that. They need to be spitting cones of lead death.

>>136427504
How much more 5.56 can you carry than 7.62. What the % increase in rounds carried?

>>136426997
Dayglo tips
Do they even fire plastic bb's?

>>136420135

Yeah in Spain we now 5.56 was a mistake the Cetme C was always better that posterior rifles.
NATO fucked up