Tipping Culture in America

Well the other BS thing about this, is if you are going to give a percentage, it should be to the pre-tax SUBtotal. Going off of the main total is a scam.

>>136418408
The employer has to compensate up to minimum if they do not make that much in tips.

If the employee does not make atleast min wage in tips the employer assumes them a shitty waiter and fires them.

Its a bullshit position for employee and customer. Employer is only beneficiary

They can pay less because it is a tipped position. The last restaurant I worked at I made $2.63 an hr.

I get really mad about how they are walking up the standard tip. All my life it was 15% and now suddenly you're supposed to pay 20%

>>136418408
We need to stop snipping the tips off of kids dicks

>>136418408
Or just two dollars for every ten.
Also super simple.

>>136418408
The angrier you get the less I will tip you. I can sense that shit in a server. If you fuck with my mood I fuck with your paycheck. That's the system and that's how it works.

Now fucking smile and hope I pay you.

>>136418724
It was 12% or less when I was younger. And it was acceptable to just tip a $1 for most things.

>>136418408
>Isn't there employer obligated to pay what is owed from their work?

Yes, federal labor law requires that if their statutory wage plus tips doesn't equal the full minimum wage, the employer is required to make up the difference. Of course, a waiter or waitress who is so shitty that the employer is constantly having to shore up their pay probably isn't going to be working there long, but situations like this rarely happen.

In many any cities and states (California, as an example), they earn the full minimum wage regardless, and then tips are just gravy on top of that.

Worth remembering too is that most don't claim cash tips on their income, and dodge taxes (that's why I always make a point to tip on credit card).

All that said, if you don't like it, don't go out to eat. Yeah it's a stupid system, but it is what it is.

>>136418995
I was raised learning to tip 12% as well. Of course if our drinks went empty for a while or our server would do things such as just walking by without addressing us, not coming to check on drinks, check on how meal is, generally shitty, it was acceptable to not tip. Now they want 20% everytime, and the ability to serve you with an attitude. It isn't my responsibility to make sure you get paid if you're doing shitty work. Get another non-entry teenager job and drop your brand new entry level car you have for $450/month you fucking piece of shit restaurant worker who acts like an entitled, temporarily misplaced princess.

That's another thing I just realized, so many poor people act as if they're just temporarily displaced millionaires. Retarded.

>>136418408
Whenever I tip i always make sure to throw in a good handfull of pennies so the waiter has to pick them up off the table.

must be humiliating.

In the Netherlands the waiters don't even expect people to tip...

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>>136418408
This is exactly why I never tip more than $5

>>136419460
How's if feel never having worked a day in your life fatass

>>136418718
Well... That's the wages then... I hate how Americans love to have hidden fees on shit. Go to a store and go hey $1 for that... I have one dollar right here and then go to buy it, then all sorts of secret fees are added to it and the $1 on the price tag is just for decoration. The REAL price people pay is more due to taxes and whatnot. It's bullshit.

>making $17 US plus $3 wage for bringing plates to a table

I make $25/CAD per hour which is pretty much the same as a machinist crafting and designing parts. What the fuck.

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>>136419604
Pretty damn good

>>136418408
I think the kikery tipping culture has is a cog in the wheel of why our culture (american culture/society) is so vapid and fake.

>>136419816
Pretty fucking invincible

>>136419012
>If you don't like paying some cunt more money for giving you your food that someone else made, don't go out to eat

Fuck that, this is a retarded stance to take. Waiters and servers get 1 or 2 coins if they're good and fast. If they're shit they get nothing.
Any percentage based tips should go to the chef who actually made your food and worked for it.
And if they don't like it, they can find an other job

>>136418408
Being a faggot about it doesntmake people want to tip. You knew tipping was voluntary when you took the job and you know not everyone feels the same about everything including tipping.

I am going to start tipping 9.9% now because of this piece of shit

>>136418408
It came from Prohibition.

Banning alcohol ruined their profits and ability to pay waiters, so they encouraged tips. After it was unbanned it stuck for obvious reasons.

>>136418408
>that it's mandatory to pay tip?
It's not. Only stupid people tip.
>they do not get payed at all for their work and rely on tips
Waitstaff are compulsive liars. They get paid what they're work is worth(minimum wage at most stores) but they wany more than that. And they make loads off dumb saps tipping

Tipped gigs are literally the last middle class jobs with a low barrier of entry. Let's make sure we ruin that because it makes you uncomfortable for no reason whatsoever.

Millennial companies like Uber and some other hip restaurants are not a "tipping culture." Give it another decade or so and they'll all be gone. That'll be the millenials legacy. Dumpster fire of a generation.

>>136418408


The restaurant saves money on food so your food is cheaper
Service is incentivized simultaneously.
This is not mandatory, and shouldn't really be based on percent.
If you don't like tipping STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE NOT TO TIP. They are subsidizing your cheap-ass. If everyone stops, service quality will drop AND prices will rise as a new wage equilibrium is met to maintain employment.
Your server should be putting in effort into one or two things depending on the restaurant: making you like them or being a fucking ninja you never see after introduction as your desires materialize on the table.
Judge how well they met these goals and reward their hard work. If you can't afford to tip at all, you are a stupid nigger for paying 300% markup on a meal to begin with.
If your server sucks, still tip them: one penny. This doesn't mean your bar drink or you didn't get enough fries, it means they didn't treat you with respect (which to some degree includes prompt service) and inhibited your enjoyment of the meal.

The one penny is a message that you did not forget and are otherwise hip to tips.

Tipping is great for literally everyone involved, all positive with zero negative. Prove me wrong.

it's alot like sales. some do well, some don't, it mostly has to do with the situation you're in with the actual service you provide as a close second.
All in all I made about $500-$700 a week, depending on hours.
Slow Tuesday 4 hour shift? maybe $50
8 hour shift on a two for one drink sale on Saturday? $300

I only tip if she takes me out back and sucks my dick

>>136418866

Am server, you are doing it right.

My job is to facilitate and enjoyable meal/experience. Anything I do to prevent that should be reflected in my tip amount.

Tipping is ridiculous for two main reason.
My server spends about 2.5 minutes on me personally, Maybe lets round that to 10 because no one can work constantly. In the case of example given that is a $100/hr tip.
Furthermore the economics just do not make sense. Businesses make like 2-5%, a restaurant is like 90% likely to fail because they all make practically no profit. So a business puts out $1 million in expenses, and gets $1.05 million back, maybe. But in the restaurant business, the servers are supposed to get 20% off the top of this $1.05 million, not have to pay a cent in expenses. If a server was really paid 20% they would make more than the owner, CEO, and manager all added together.

>>136420465
You are wrong. It's a ploy to pass on worker's wages to customers directly without really getting anything in return because it's expected by society under the guise of generosity.

>>136419012
The rule of thumb is to claim 10% of cash tips .
>t.chef

>>136420623
>My job is to facilitate and enjoyable meal/experience.
This is why i hate waitstaff. No, dipshit, your job is to get my food from the kitchen because I can't get it myself. I don't want you to talk to me, I don't want to even see you.

>>136419460

Most of us would just leave them for the busser. Even the busser is more likely to throw them away than keep them. Time is money, and we have better things to do.

Hell, if a quarter falls on the floor, it's probably going into the trash at the end of the night too. Picking up and washing my hands costs me way more time than 25 cents worth.

>>136418408
One of the last jobs were a person with little education can make an honest, living wage. It is also a job that can teach social skills and get you NEETS off your asses.

OP, don't eat out if you can't tip.

>>136419750
That's not very common unless you're eating out. Most shit that costs a dollar usually does cost a dollar in my experience.

>>136420988
>don't eat out if you can't tip
Why? The employer has to give waiters minimum wage if their tips don't add up to at least that amount.

>inb4 "abloo bloo i can't live on minimum wage!!!"
Be pissed at your elected representatives, not your customers.

>>136420812
>The rule of thumb is to claim 10% of cash tips
Yeah, to dodge taxes. Only claim enough to get to minimum wage and don't report the rest. Fuck off.
>>136420988
>honest wage
>doing the most worthless "work" ever

>>136421081
They charge sales taxes at the cash register though.

>>136418408
If you can't tip keep your broke ass home.

>>136419802
Servers at my place make $52K A FUCKING YEAR ON TIPS WORKING 4-10:30
It's a min wage job. The only difference between them and a food runner is they write something on a piece of paper after a different person reads them something off a piece of paper.
That I typed up.
And created.
And sourced the product for.
And trained my staff to make.
And cooked for you to perfection, indulgence is key.

But hey, they wrote down what you said and then walked 15 feet with a plate, fuck it, pay them 52k.

America.

>>136418408
I just avoid any place with wait staff and a closed kitchen. pretty much if I can't see the food prepared and who prepares it I walk out.

>20% tip

This is fucking ridiculous.

>>136418408
>20 fuckin percent
I pay taxes on everything I buy legally, why the fuck would I pay an additionnal 20%?

>>136421081
Nonsense.... I went into a normal store and wanted to buy some bread and cheese to bring back to the hotel and none of the prices was the same as the price tag. they added taxes and whatnot. The prices are just decoration.

You Americans sure love to do meaningless math, if there is a price here in Europe then that's the price.

>>136418826
You don't understand man! You can't approximate. Every tip must be calculated to the penny

I tip 10% if I really like the staff, with any job. I don't tip if they just do their job, and I leave a penny if they do bad.

>>136421300

It's 25%, shitlord.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2013/10/14/tipping-25-percent-restaurants/2976417/

>>136421137
That's my point.
They HAVE to claim 100% earnings on card/electronic payments. All modern posi systems track sales to employee for audit reasons.

Cash they claim 10%. So most of the time a solid 30-40% of their earnings they only report 10 percent of.
We are upset over the same thing Anon.

>>136418408

>20% tip

lol no, only if you're fucking amazing at your job

>>136418408
you'd better suck 20% of my dick lol

20% for some turd that brought my food out from the kitchen? Ahahaha get a real job, snowflake

>>136418408
It's not mandatory, it's just that some parts of the culture expect or appreciate it. I just got back from Vegas where I noticed a lot of people didn't tip but we actually did quite a bit.

We had $0.05 beers at happy hour on the strip and were getting about 6 at a time, and I paid $5 bill and the guy went mental, pressed the note against his forehead so it stuck there and was shouting etc, was quite fun.

I noticed a lot of other people didn't tip, and it wasn't a big deal, everyone just got on with things. I was never made to feel it was mandatory.

>>136418408
>I don't get it, why is it when we eat out that it's mandatory to pay tip?

Because it allows your employers to skimp out on paying a decent salary. You just move the onus of paying your employers directly to the customer. Plus that saves them handily on paying taxes. Of course this cost is also borne by the rest of society.

People still tip in countries with decent wages and no mandatory tipping. It just means more. The quality of the food and the service is unaffected, so that tipping myth is just that, a myth.

Plus, once you add in your insane tipping level of 20% eating out in the US is more expensive than doing it in a socialist country where the cook and waitress enjoy free healthcare and good salaries, so you don't even save money on the tradeoff.

>>136418408
>why is it when we eat out that it's mandatory to pay tip?
It isn't mandatory though.
>What i hear from waitress is that they do not get payed at all for their work and rely on tips
Waiters get paid usually something along the lines of $3/hour+ tips, so long as the tips they collect average out to equal minimum wage of $7.25
If waiters are not tipped, the restaurant is required to pay them minimum wage, which, in a lot of restaurants usually leads to shifts getting changed and hours cut for that waiter if it happens consistently.
Tipping is a shit system and waiters absolutely should only be paid minimum wage since there is little to no skill involved in being a waiter short of a fine dining environment.

>>136420738

>a server makes more than a Ceo!
>all restaurants in a chain are served by a single person

Why are people why oppose tipping always so stupid?

Businesses suck, I work at an oil change shop and we advertise a synthetic change for like 100 dollars

But if you come in with a truck or a high performance car that 100 quickly becomes 200-300

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>>136418408
I always tip

>>136421692
>making an ass out of yourself, shouting at people over a $5 bar tab

>>136421852
>not using Amsoil

Pleb

There is no reason to work a minimum wage job that doesn't get tips. I make $9 and hour, but it's $18 on average after tips in a semi popular cafe (usually a higher average during the holidays too)
It allows me to not live like a poverty-stricken degenerate. I eat pretty healthy, have savings, no debt, and I pay for college up front every year. I can only do this because of tips.
Please keep tipping your servers, don't be dicks.
We also remember your unnecessarily complicated orders, have the high cooks remake your order when they fuck up without you even knowing, and we genuinely want to help you have a good experience.

The tipping culture has made the service industry very competitive.

It's not a job that you can just walk into with no experience. I once tried to get a job in NYC as a bartender or a server, and they want 5 years of experience with references.

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>Visiting New York
>Eating at restaurant
>Get check
>15% gratuity was added to it
>Line blank to give them more shekels
>Walk out and disappear into foot traffic
Trying to force me to tip means no shekels for you. I'm not going to subsidize your shit job because you have no goals in life. Get a real job.

>>136418408
I only tip if if the waitress calls me sweetheart or honey.

I deliver pizzas on weekends to make some extra cash and people tip all the time. Even when they don't I don't really mind I still get paid for the mileage. The people who don't tip are more than covered by the ones that do anyway.

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Tipping at all is such a fucking retarded meme, that its mandatory i mean, really what the fuck, you are an asshole if you dont tip. thats fucked in america

Oh look, it's this thread again. Sage.

>>136420479
for an entry level shit tier position, you should not be making $300 a day in any circumstance.

For my shitty wage slave job where I do actual work when im not at class, I barely manage to rake in $300 after taxes a week and you entitled faggots just take that each day and keep bitching.
You fucks don't deserve tips, the chef that made the food does.

>>136420793

I work in a restaurant in Houston which serves largely foreigners staying in nearby hotels. I am bombarded by these foreigners with praise I rarely get from the locals: how friendly I am, how prompt the service is, how I anticipate their needs before they voice them. (They also get excited at how the food is cheaper than anticipated.)

Such things are as foreign to them as the foreigners are to me. They don't come from tipping cultures and do not get to see such personal attention when simply getting a meal.

You get rid of tipping, you lose that. No big deal to you I'm sure, but many people gladly, eagerly pay more for that kind of personal touch.

More to your predicament, is the price. If we get rid of tipping you don't just replace people eager to please with the same soulless looks behind the counter at McDonald's, but the price increases as well.

Between these two, most people (especially like you) will just go to mcdonalds by this point. Impersonal service AND bloated prices doesn't exactly bring people in. Both lowering barrier to entry for customers AND gaining incentivized employees is pretty much the only thing keeping middle-range restaurants open.

Now, people who were tipping generously previously will actually see heir meal cost go down, but people who refuse to tip are just going to get priced out of their favorite restaurants.

>tfw economics major
>tfw server
>tfw you turn down other jobs

>>136422174
We do carry Amsoil but it's 150 dollars because we buy it from the US and our dollar sucks.

>>136418724
>>136418995
I still just do 10%

>>136422608
Tipping based on how much the food costs is pretty stupid too especially if the money doesn't go to the chef. Like bitch you did the same amount of work bringing out the lobster as you did the chicken wings but now I have to pay you extra? retarded

>>136421910
It's happy hour and everyone is drunk and having fun and they're just encouraging that by being gregarious. For him it's a $4.70 in the bank and if he gets a bunch of those then he's had a good hour.

Anyway Vegas is a good laugh, great place to get trashed and spend some cash, we go every year for DefCon and see the sights. I'm happy to tip I'm not cheap, especially after a good night at the tables.

>>136422935

Agreed.

Euros deserve to make fun of us for this shit. Tipping culture is maximum kike

>>136422222
>implying we should pay the cooks wage, the managers salary who isn't overseeing the cook, and then on top of it, tip you to make sure that we get the product we ordered


No, you serve at a shitty establishment. Why the fuck would I pay a cook who doesn't cook and a manager who doesn't manage.

You millenials and your lack of business instincts is what's hurting you in finding a good job and a real career. Protip: you hire people to do the job you pay them for.

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It should be factored into prices/wages.

Pure retarded expecting a tip, or requiring it to make a living wage

>>136420856

What do you think "facilitate" means? If your food never leaves the kitchen, you won't enjoy it very much. I'm not putting on a play for you, or creating the experience itself, I am facilitating an enjoyable one.

Also I mentioned in another comment exactly what you said: to be a ninja as everything the customer desires materializes on the table is an appropriate serving strategy in some restaurants.

I make mad money because real recognizes real. I've turned down job offers at my job (usually sales related)

We recognize you as well. If you've ever gotten decent service it was probably from a rookie.

I tip 20% because of my immense pity for anyone shackled to a service job. Hopefully they're using the extra money to invest into dividend yielding stocks.

>>136422935
You people are mindblowingly retarded. Fuck you. Just die.

Fuck tipping threads online

>>136418408
>20.00
>2.00
>4.00
>20% tip
no thanks, I prefer 10% -- up to a maximum of 2$. And that's only if the service was excellent.

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>>136422222
>my unacknowldged quints made at 22:22
Okily dokeily halfichan

>>136418661
restaurant businesses are also the most likely to fail of any venture so it takes some of the pressure off the owner if the location or reputation is bad or if they're just getting started

The only time I eat out is when I am out of town and it's the only option so I don't give a fuck. t. someone who isn't a lazy piece of shit that can cook.

>>136422608
>>entry level shit tier position

Being a waiter or a bartender isn't an entry level job. They want years of experience.

Being a busser is entry level.

>>136420988
Yup! Delivery and then serving turned me from shy to fly. I'm still a shy person at heart, but I'm able to not be now when the need suits me.

Never would have happened without the desire for increasing my tips. If my wage was the same either way, I probably wouldn't even speak to the customers.

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>>136423190
>Hopefully they're using the extra money to invest into dividend yielding stocks.

More like get trashed with their friends over the weekend. But here's to wishful thinking.

>>136420856
>I don't want you to talk to me, I don't want to even see you.
I feel the same way. Don't make small talk with me, just get my food, fill my drinks, and leave me alone so I can make small talk with my group.

>>136423234
digits are gay, and expecting attention makes you even gayer. leave you homosexual. Ps check my post number

>>136422935
Damn straight.
If a group of people buy 500$ worth of food, which is fairly easy for a group of 10-12 people to rack up in a middle end resturaunt, I am not paying an extra 100$ because some stupid cunt spent 10 minutes moving 15 lbs of food about 30 feet.

>>136421225

Just a guess, but you lack the social SKILLS necessary to be a successful waiter.

If not, you are a fucking chump getting paid less than them at the same establishment.

>>136422222
>Please keep tipping your servers, don't be dicks.

kys

>>136423200
>t. entitled waiter faggot who wants more gibs for nothing

>>136418408
>tipping
>not paying your workers a real fucking wage
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>136418408
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States
your welcome

>>136419443
its true, their entitled, bratty, hypocritial cunts, im a cook, i would know.
its funny when they bitch about not getting tipped by one table, like it bankrupted them, when theyll make 200+ a day, literally from just takin orders(they have food runners), then tip out 6 cooks 5 dollars total.

>>136423298
Maybe at Higher end resuraunts and in cities, but most places it is just college and high school age girls or burnt out stacys. Nearly all the waitresses and waiters from where I a from are all college students although I will give you credit on the bartender.

>>136423059
If you're spending $10 on a good sandwich, chips, and some espresso/a dessert after, but can't handle a $2 tip, you wouldn't be coming to where I work anyway.
>why would I pay bla bla you millenials
I'm Gen Z desu. I'm working a job making more than you do while I'm in school and you're just butthurt. I'm not hurting my chances of finding a "real job", I'm just not making $11 an hour working at a call center with a bunch of Mexicans. You should work on being able to afford lunch before you give advice

>>136418726
Kek. Agree

>>136422608

>boohoo, my jobs so much harder and I get less money

Crabs in a bucket people. This autismo lacks the personality and charm to be a server, so he hates on them and wants them to lose what he failed to earn.

While we're on the subject, when is Reddit going to go back online? I'm sick of all the plebbits.

>>136423858
Hey faggot, Its not that we can't afford it, that was never even brought up. It is that entitled faggots like YOU do not deserve my extra money for doing the job you were hired to do. KYS

>>136420812
NO ONE claims 100% of their cash tips. You claim just enough to make it look like you're not obviously lying, and then pocket the rest.
And I don't blame anyone for doing that, fuck income tax. But if you think that the $20 you just left on the table for some cute girl because she smiled at you when she brought your Grand Slam is getting reported to the govt you are retarded.

>>136424126
I wouldn't be working my job if it only made $9 an hour. Do you really want some Juan okay with making minimum wage to be in charge of taking your orders, serving you quickly and accurately, separating your checks, and refilling your drinks?

>>136424019
>addresses entire thread
>personal attack with no supporting evidence
>blames reddit
you are supposed to be in the trump general shilling there. You don't get paid for being in these threads

>>136418408
>why is it when we eat out that it's mandatory to pay tip?
It's not mandatory, it's just seen as a dick move here to not tip because waiters/waitresses get shit pay and rely almost solely on tips for income

>>136423858

It's pretty typical that non-tippers can't afford to go to nicer restaurants and also make less money than we do serving.

Did he really say you were hurting your chances at a real job? I've turned down several job offers while serving. Usually sales related.

>>136418408

I stopped going to restaurants because it just got to be too in-your-face. Even at the takeout window, they want a 15 or 20 per cent tip. Sometimes the machine will even even put 20 per cent on top and you have to manually remove it.

So, fuck it.

Usually if I go out to dinner, it's with a girl, so I make them leave the tip if I pay. If they don't tip, then the servers fucked.

I haven't personally tipped someone in years

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>>136424126
>>136424428
All angry internet banter aside, do you at least see how service would change if there was less of a demand for workers with high personal standards? Or no?

>>136418408
>20% tip

it was 15% ever since I was a kid, what is this new kikery?

what next? 30%? 40%? fuck off

>>136422719
Well I know that's crap because in Japan the service is impeccable and there's no tipping.

>>136424442
> I barely manage to rake in $300 after taxes a week

Evidence enough for me, comrade. You are making a pittance while hating on people who make double that with, according to you, barely any work at all.

if I'm wrong, what does that make you?
too stupid to get an easier job that pays more?

>>136421514
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2013/10/14/tipping-25-percent-restaurants/2976417/

Holy fuck. Not in a million years.

Over here expecting a tip is seen as a form of rudeness.

>>136418408
Only bad servers make low wages. Some average 45 to 50 dollars per hour.

>>136420623
What I don't get is this so called enjoyable experience. I come there to eat food. Not talk or deal with your sorry ass. Give me my food and fuck off

>>136421160
It's like 6% you fucking pussy, get over it.

>>136424737

>homogenous culture based on honor and tradition.

Okay, where are the rest of your examples from say... Western Europe?

>>136421426

It's true VAT is superior.

In some jurisdictions, however, the sales tax could be different depending on your total (i.e., if you buy multiple items).

For instance, in Ontario, if your food at a restaurant comes to less than $4, you pay 5% sales tax. If it's greater than $4, you pay 13% -- on the WHOLE total.

So, $3.99 x 1.05 = $4.19
but $4.00 x 1.13 = $4.52

Fucked or what? Anyway, that's one case where the tax can't be added to the individual item before the total for the entire order is summed.

Non tippers are not cheap. Just too stupid to do the math.

>>136424477
Digits cannot lie
There is no reason to make less than $15/hour in America. If you can't find an office job for more than that, you can make it serving in any shitty diner of your choosing. After working in a shitty place for a while, you move on to more lucrative serving jobs. I'm in Florida, but I have a waiter friend in NYC who makes $50/hour a night on average.

>>136419012
>they earn the full minimum wage regardless, and then tips are just gravy on top of that.
Is this the case for Seattle too? I'm going there soon and I won't tip if so.

what do you think about this invention? basically it's like a taxi fare meter for your waitress. you put it on the table and run the clock whenever she's actually waiting on you. even if you set the wage to something ridiculous like $20/hour your tip will probably come out less than if you calculated a % of the bill since she's probably only actually doing like 5 minutes of work.

>>136425122
Here in Jew York I usually just double the tax and maybe throw a few extra bucks.

>>136424942

You really are dumb as a rock aren't you? Do I have to hold your hand for this?

If I spend time talking to you, asking about your day, complimenting your hideous fashion sense, you aren't enjoying this time we spend together are you?

That I am, by doing these things, preventing you from having an enjoyable experience? And as such, you would probably stiff me for ruining what should have been an enjoyable experience?

Is this starting to materialize in that fragile little mind of yours?

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>>136425215
forgot my illustration

>>136418408
10% is best

>>136419750
>Secret fees
>Sales tax
Fucking wot m8?
I'll admit that a VAT is simpler, but somewhere someone's over paying or being shorted. Compared to a fixed percentage on the bill.

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I don't mind tipping, but the only place I regularly eat at where tipping is expected is a hole in the wall Chinese restaurant. The food is great, the portions are generous, it's really cheap and the service is always fast. The only employees are the owner and his wife and they're very friendly. If it's slow the guy will make himself something and eat it with me while we shoot the shit. They're Chinese immigrants and they have several Trump/MAGA stickers on the counter where you pay or pick up if your order is to go. My bill there is between $7-10 depending on what I order but I always tip $5 just because it's such a pleasant experience going there.

>>136425253
Thank you for having common sense and some math skills.

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Hello sir.
That will be 10.99 plus 1.99 delivery fee plus my tip
and how will you be paying?

>>136425511
15$

>>136420793
>pass on worker's wages to customers directly
No shit dumbass. Maybe if the DR understood basic economics, it wouldn't be 3rd world hell hole.

>>136425511
i'll pay by fucking your wife

What I don't get is that they demand 20% of your bill, what if I ordered some lunch menu meal and water and I pay like $10 then the tips supposed to be $2, but if you order a steak and a beer and you pay $15 you're something supposed to tip them $3 for same amount of work done.

>>136425119
idiotic... Here in norway we mostly have a flat sales tax and the price you see is what you pay. Also in the resturant, no tipping nonsense necessary.

I long for the day when you waiters are replaced by robots. Watching a sweaty and obviously stressed out person jotting down a few words on a paper with a forced smile does nothing but ruin my restaurant experience. If you work in the food industry as anything but a chef kys.

>goes to restaurant
>le qt3.14 waitress
>doesn't realise she was hired because she has tits. no other reason
>faux friendliness and vapid questions about your day
>"tips" like 25% because "obligated"
>don't want to seem cheap
>ends up tipping $20
>she cheats on the income tax because lul that shit is for plebs who get an actual pay cheque from legitimate work and business
>don't even get your dick rubbed by her

lads, sort yourselves out with this tipping horseshit.

>>136421340
>why the fuck would I pay an additionnal 20%?
For your shit socialized medicine. You fucking cuck.

>>136425215
>>136425306
Genius. Let those pretentious roasties work for their buck!

The largest tip I gave was around 45% when a taxi driver got me to an airport on time when I was sure I'd be late.

It was mostly me being in a hurry though, the fare was £22 so I just threw two £20 bills and ran off.

>>136418408
You are fucking idiot. Tipping positions are the only positions that can be paid less than minimum wage. If you don't tip, you are basically a NIGGER.

>>136418408
It's not mandatory unless you're white.

Staff gets paid, but most of their money will come from tips. Everyone I know who worked for tips preferred it that way. Cash in your pocket the government doesn't need to see. And without sucking a dick. Also, if management cut tipping and paid the staff more, the increased costs would be passed along to you in the form of increased prices.

If you're white, tipping is a privilege of direct human interaction with those who serve you. If you're jewish it's probably some kind of scam I don't know. Others probably try to reframe it as injustice towards the serving class.

>>136421811
>You just move the onus of paying your employers directly to the customer
You just described tipping. Sweden yes!

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>>136418408
>"your Medium halal pizza will be $35.95. After jizya tax, kosher tax and sales tax, it comes to 56.89$"

>>136425993
I'm not sure you know how percentages work.

Is it too hard to give 10% for the service?

If I get a really good service sometimes I even tip 15%.

>>136418408
i was a server. we made way under minimum wage, i think is was like 3.70/hr when minimum was 7.15/hr. i had to put up with a lot of bullshit (anyone dealing with the public does though) and when niggers sat down it was about 90% likely you'd get no tip at all, but every so often they'd act like they were sort of civilized and tip 10-15%. i hated niggers at my tables.

so generally speaking, good tips are often just making up for the shitty nigger tips, and a long string of nigger tables could leave me walking with under minimum wage after tipout. if you have a good server, please tip them correctly, it makes their night so much better.

>>136425306

Looks like a great way to get terrible service.

Non-tippers don't seem to realize we have other people to deal with. While you can't always sniff out a non-tipper, it's dead easy to tell which tables are most worth your time.

Pull out a clock like this and you are going to the bottom of the ranking ladder even for rookie servers who don't know any better.

I actually feel bad for non-tippers. If you aren't good looking, you never will experience good service. You reek of poverty and we know it. Even if you started tipping you would still have that reek about you. Your really have to become an established regular before you got the full package.

Not that it really matters, autismos aren't really capable of enjoying the finer things anyways.

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>>136425683
fucking kek

>>136426128
I meant to type 85% but it's 4 a.m. here.

81.82% my calculator tells me

Jesus Christ, /pol/ lately
>be anon
>OY VEY! You want me to tip 20% on a $10 meal? That's a whole $2!!! LITERALLY THEFT!
>some variation of "I'd never pay 20%" or "I'd pay 20% if a sex act was involved"
>"hates" Jews
>acts like a bunch of kikes
Sounds about right
Bonus
>can't afford $2 tip while shilling for STEM jobs

>>136426100
Oh I forgot the voluntary mandatory US 20% tip its $68.3, infid- I mean sir

It gives you the consumer the immediate power.
If tipping didn't exist, food would cost 20-25% more, so owners would pay the wait staff.

If someone does a poor job e.g. slacking about refilling my water, getting my order wrong, etc, I can complain, but what does that accomplish?
They might get yelled at. They might even get fired, but what does that do for me?
However, if I have the power to tip and a waiter does a bad job, then they don't get anything I saved money for my inconvenience.

It also pushes wait staff to go above and beyond, because there's only so much you'll do for minimum wage. And you don't get in trouble for doing the bare minimum. That's why it's called the minimum.

This is why we have tipping, and this is why tipping is so advantageous.

Now, with that being said, there are some downsides of tipping. There are mainly two problems with this. The first is a sense of entitlement. Some waiters do a poor job and STILL want the 20%. If you don't give in they will shame you or spit in your food. It's a total shakedown.

The other issue is that a number of people expect tips for things that don't deserve it.
The AC in my hotel room break, and some dude hung around clearing his throat after he fixed it.
It's like fuck off dude. The ac is supposed to fucking work.

It's a good system, but you need to hold your ground and make sure people who try to exploit it get punished. If a waiter tries to shake me down when they did a shit job, their manager is getting an ear full.

>>136425808


Servers can smell poverty, and judging by your flag you probably have this reek about you and will even if you manage to become wealthy.

We don't waste our time with you. We don't expand charm and we don't rush. We give you the service you deserve and don't sweat it one bit. Every minute I waste on your dollar tip is 5 more dollars I lose by not paying attention to my worthwhile tables.

>>136426215
lol oh no terrible service
just bring me my damn coke and my burger slave
and no you don't deserve more then min wage for carrying one plate so enjoy it
I am not choosing to enhance your pay beyond that
bitch

>>136426384
Good goy YOU pay for her wages so mr. Shekelberg doesn't have to

>>136426215
>don't actually do the work your employer is expecting from you 100% of the time
>b-but our employer isn't paying us fair wages
you are slime.

>>136426058
>Also, if management cut tipping and paid the staff more, the increased costs would be passed along to you in the form of increased prices.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard
The prices are already higher than they,seem due to the fucking tip

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So if we're talking restaurants...

Do you Yanks ask for ladies' menus when you take people out? Is that even a thing in America? The better restaurants have those here in the UK and I usually ask when making the reservation.

I'm asking since I'll be in the US a few times later this year and might end up inviting people.

isn't giving your hard earned wage over to support others low wage the very epitome of communism/socialism?

>USA cucked

>>136426215
'I have other people to deal with' shouldnt be in a waitress' fucking vocabulary, if you're not happy with how much they pay you, you can quit

>>136426384
Explain to me why do they deserve my $2.
If I do my job and fix the car customer paid me to fix I don't get a fucking tip for doing what I was paid to do.

>>136418408
ITT: nobody who has ever worked in the food service industry

>>136426829
Nobody is forcing you to work there, anon. If you're not content with the pay you can quit

>>136426664
>>136426664
>do you have ladies menus
Yes, just ask for the British special.

>>136426664

It might be a thing in super high-end restaurants (the kind I never go to), but I've never seen one in an ordinary restaurant.

It'd probably be interpreted as sexist, these days.

I just tip $5 no matter what.

I don't understand tipping though. I used to be a store manager for a large grocery store and our total wages were only 5.4% of sales. I'm not sure why the salary of one server is supposed to be 20% of sales.

The whole thing is bizarre anyway. The cooks do all the hard work. The server just walks your food out to you and refills your drink after you ask three times.

>>136426554
Implying it's not the most based form of income
>be teacher
>wage paid for by taxes is taxed again on your paychecks
>go out to eat, tip waiter with credit card instead of cash
>waiters minimum wage and credit tips taxed on paycheck
>waiter goes out to eat
>cycle repeats until eventually a waiter is tipped in cash
They're supposed to report it for taxes, but no one does. They're the only ones Shekelberg isn't fucking

>>136426611
Now *that* is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Obviously the amount that gets paid by the tipper would just be incorporated into the menu price if the owner paid directly. How else do you think the owner covers his costs? If the price of steak rises, you'll see it on the menu. If the rent rises, you'll see it on the menu. If the price labor rises...guess what

If the service is good or worse, no tip.
If the service is fucking great I leave 15%.
If they cop any attitude whatsoever there is no tip and I complain to a manager.

>be at restaurant
>waiting on people to show, just go to get some raspberry tea/lemonade shit that the waitress grabs from the bar
>start talking to her
>tell her I used to bartend for a few weeks before moving here, just make small talk
>about to leave because my friend showed up
>she must have assumed I was trying to get on her good side to get a job at the bar
>"Next time you ask someone for work, try giving them a tip" with a sneer on her face
Fuck these entitled losers

>>136426478
Unless you work as a chef in a five star restaurant you're looked down upon and pitied by literally everybody else who doesn't work in the food industry, your false sense of superiority is sickening considering your position.

>>136426989
>The cooks do all the hard work

Actually the hardest work is talking to the general public. By far. They're all literally retards.

>>136426554
All of Mr Shekelberg's expenses are paid by his customers. Like every business owner everywhere.

>>136426748

I'm extremely happy with what I'm paid, because even if you come in I still have other tables.

If you don't like it, make a sandwich. I'm pretty happy with the arrangement whether you come in or not.

Also, have you even had a job in your life? If you are getting more than minimum wage, you probably have too much on your plate and need to be able to prioritize.

Complain to my manager if you want, I'll explain how I was too busy with the wedding party paying her rent with their booze tab to deal with the guy drinking water and eating free bread.

She'll shut the fuck up or take care of you herself. (Spoiler, she's not going to take care of you because she doesn't want you back)

>>136418408
If the service is shit/takes to long i dont bother tipping, if it's decent i just round to the nearest 5 or leave whatever singles i have in my wallet on the table. No matter what the price of the food was i dont think i've ever tipped more than $5

>>136427001
There's no scenario where a free market would support a server who made more than $8 an hour. The only reason they get away with making $30-40 an hour now is because their pay isn't advertised. If servers were paid like everyone else, their wages would go down, as would the price of menu items.

>>136418408
Back in the 50's and before most women didn't work except for the mothers from the poorer families. Waitresses used to be all women. There were no man waiters. Tipping was the American way of giving poorer people a chance at a middle class living. We used to look out for each other more. That's part of what made America great. Then Democrats wanted to throw welfare money at poor people which took away their drive to work and caused a major downturn in our society. So now we tip high school and college kids to serve our food to try and instill work ethic in hopes that they will not turn to the welfare Jew.

>>136418408

It's not mandatory usually (Unless the restaurant has some gratuity rule or something), but it's a decent thing to do given how little the law says you're allowed to pay tipped employees, especially if they make a good effort. I forget exactly but in some cases it's absurd like $3 an hour for tipped employees, and depending on the restaurant it can be hard fuckin' work.

>>136418588

Makes sense.

>>136426982
>It'd probably be interpreted as sexist, these days.
The name or the practice? It's good for business dinners and such as well, not just dates. There needn't be women involved at all.

Also in the UK they generally just give the normal menus by default, but surprisingly many restaurants have ladies' menus around as well and can bring them out by request.

>>136426928
alri

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>>136426995
good goyim, use our credit cards and bank services, and remember to pay your taxes

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>>136424923
Not true
I work back of house (were we actually get paid). The servers are constantly getting fucked by people on tips. You would think its black people, but the vast majority of bad tippers are Indians (and their retarded cousins Guyanese).
If you're spending 40$ and tip a 5$ they're pissed, but its understandable.
But when a waiter gets a table 9 people and 2 kids, and stay for over an hour, with a grand total of 132$. Then leave a 10$ bill on the counter, its shitting on the floor basically.

Also on a side note. Americans eat out far to much and there is no real reason to. When I found out how much food most customers were getting and how much they were paying I almost had a heart attack.
The average meal your paying 4x the actual raw food cost, not considering anything else or that they buy in bulk.
Its a huge waste of money

>>136427127
You're still a loser waitress that doesn't make anything with or without him.
Take that massive chip off your shoulder.

>>136427081
>the hardest work is talking to the general public

You've never worked a kitchen for 10 hours straight during a rush. Don't try to tell me that chatting with customers is difficult. Clerks at every store do it for 1/4th of the wage servers get paid and they don't bitch nearly as much.

>>136427127
I can also choose not to tip you, since you are given a wage by your employer

>>136426664
>ladies' menus w
What the fuck?

>>136427240
Tipping goes back to southern plantations after the end of slavery where the servers were given extra pay by guests.

>>136427274
Do you have a gender-queer menu? What if I decide to change my gender mid-meal?

>>136427240
Thats before your country turned into a 56% hellhole with worsened race relations and a leftist media escalating everything

>>136427344

Actually I've worked both jobs, for many, many shifts. Both suck. But if I had to choose, I'd go back to cooking. I just couldn't go back to dealing with, for instance, another demanding retard bringing in a competitor's coupon and screaming that we honor it.

>>136427640
I suppose it comes down to personal preference. I think you'd agree that being a server isn't so much more difficult that it requires 4x as much pay.

>>136427415
Menus without prices on them. Good for dates and business meals.

Also in better days (as my granddad told me) when women knew their place the staff at classier establishments was canny enough to just give those to ladies by default when they saw a date. Actually this brings us back to tipping, since in the days when the staff could be expected to be that perceptive on their own initiative it really gave you a reason to tip.

>>136418408

gf and i had dinner in a pub the other night, was short staffed so the bartender was running tables.

i tipped that guy 20%, simply because that guy was running his ass off for 2 hours straight

>>136427765

I do agree with that. It should definitely be the same pay, or at least very close, with, perhaps, the wait staff getting slightly more as a sort of "danger pay" for dealing with the general public.

On one of my last shifts, a customer called a waitress a nigger because she wouldn't give him a free dessert for no reason. It's funny and all when we're LARPing here, but not so funny in real life.

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ill copy and paste my green text from other thread

>is a liberal
>appreciates working hard for income
>takes up half a servers section all night to ensure that not only do they not just get a tip from him, but make sure they get no tip from anyone possible that evening
>as the night goes on
>other servers section fill
>other servers walk with 200 after a long 8hr shift
>they sat there while u ran them for mt dew and chicken tendies for 2 hrs
>no one else can even sit down for a chance at a small tip
>ur fat ass crumbs all over the floor
>hurr i onyl tip at 5 star
>server has to clean ur chicken sauce off the ketchup bottle as ur fat ass sat there not tipping
>mfw im a server
>mfw even poor im not that fat broke fag dropping tendies all over the floor
also, look at fast food. theyre paid hourly. look at your service. if you want one refill and a shitty attitude go to waffle house or mcdonalds. The average server has 5 tables, youre paying for your food but youre contracting my service and renting my table space that im working for the opportunity to have

>>136418408
I never tip anyways, it isn't required to eat out.

Only niggers don't tip. Quit being a greedy jew nigger and tip like a proud white man.

>>136427321

You missed the point. I know I don't make any money with him, but I definitely make it without him.

And on slow days, I let my creative side try to find subtle ways of making non-tippers day just a bit worse. Nothing better to do when slow anyways.

>>136427384

Uh yeah, welcome to the thread buddy.

But you at least touched on the real tragedy here, the underlying problem that spawns threads like these...

That is the most power you will ever possess over another human being. Sad!

>>136422719
That's bs. I go to bars and restaurants to eat and drink with my friends. Don't give 2 shits about who serves me. No smile? I don't care just bring me my shit. You wanna take forever ? I'll call you a lazy fuck to your face and tell your boss if the service is ever that shit again I'll take my business elsewhere.
>tfw not a cuck

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>>136428069
>youre paying for your food but youre...

WRONG
I am paying for the right to sit at one of your tables, I am paying for the food and I am paying for the service

if you are not willing to offer me those 3 things at the prices quoted on the menu (with tax) then you should raise the prices of the food, I'll pay more and the boss can still make the profits he wants while paying servers the salary they are willing to do the job for

>>136427274
>alri
Goddamnit. No witty retort? Where's the banter?

>>136422222
>we genuinely want to help you have a good experience.
what a waste of a get.

>>136428267
>You missed the point. I know I don't make any money with him
No, you missed the point.
I meant you don't make any money period, because you're a fucking waitress.

You're a loser.

If you're white, tipping works out for you. As someone who used to be a server, let me explain. and INB4 racist. All servers of every color love when white people eat in. They are more likely to tip, and since this is known, white people, more often than not, get better service.

So, for all you people who don't tip, especially white people with white servers, politely and kindly with all due respect, fuck off.

>>136428270

>I'll hurt your feelings!

Oh no! You'll have to do it as I'm walking past you, so make it short and sweet.

Haha my boss won't believe you. My job is basically learned psychopathy, they will never believe a customer over me.

But, she's in the same line of work, so before she comes back to have a laugh with me she will make sure you feel like I am punished.

You sure are agitated over all of this.

>>136426100
>>136426396
You also forgot to add the man tax, the hetero tax, and both the anglo and saxon taxes.

>>136428336

>option to pay more
Fuck this gay shit
>forced to pay more
Ah yeah, slide it in, no lube

You have fully internalized being a cuck.

>>136426215
You carry plates around you filthy faggot fuck. You don't deserve any more money than minimum wage. There are animals that do your job, literal animals, monkeys did it for us in a novelty cafe in india.

Basically, you're so pathetic, you'd rather pass the buck of getting paid decently onto your consumer than haggle with your employer. You're a literal bum.

jews and patels dont tip. rest of yall should

>>136428797
Bruh I make ~60k on 20 hours a week.

Lots of it is untaxed.

>tfw you will never be on my level.

>>136418408
>Enlighten me
There is a specific type of work that actually is clear to work primarily for tips. Last I know of, it was just under $3/hour. It would be non-existant, but the government wants to be able to get you for something. Yes this is real. Yes people really rely on their hospitality and your generosity to pay bills.

>>136429059

If I don't deserve this money, why do I have it all? I've stolen from no one, in fact, they gave it freely without compulsion.

Why are you so butt hurt over this?

>visit montrael
>get yelled at by the staff for not tipping
what

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>>136418408
>Sum Total + $1 tip
Suck it service wage slaves.

>>136418408
I just tip around 25%. It's easier to do the math. I'm poor but a dollar or two is really not worth worrying about.

>>136429171
And I make 120k on 35 hours a week.
And it's not untaxed. You're just a thief.

>>136429048
>if I don't pay more "by choice" people will hate me and make me paranoid that someone might mess with my food (which is horrifying)
>charge me upfront what you want me to pay for your service and food (I don't have to worry about people messing with my food or hating me because I didn't "choose to pay extra" or I didn't "tip enough"

Yeah I would rather it be mandatory.
Its called honesty.
Tell me what you really want me to pay and if im ok with that I will pay it or if not I will simply eat at home.
Don't ask me to pay a certain amount but "expect i'll pay alittle more"
I just hate that

Sorry but I just think logically that tipping culture is stupid
It isn't fair and it encourages bad behaviors by the servers

I think you should be paid what you deserve which on most customers probably isn't much more then min wage...
yeah if you have a big table for some party or wedding or some shit maybe "they" should tip but the average customer shouldn't need to put up with that nonsense.
the job is consistent enough that a flat rate is perfectly logical with tips only coming from the small percentage of customers who require extra services the majority of simple 1-2 table customers won't need

>>136429565
1-2 person***

>>136418408
>>20% tips now
Fuck that shit, they get no more then 15% unless extraordinary circumstances are involved.

>>136429462

You gotta tell me what you do so I can mock you for barely outearning a "minimum wage monkey" like myself.

I'm tempted just to start mocking you now for measuring epeens with someone so far beneath you.

And while its fruitless to argue over it:

>when you lie about your salary online to impress a waiter

>>136418408
>4 tables
>20 dollars per table
>10% tip
>2 dollars per table
>8 dollars total
>more than minimum wage
>less then an hour per table
Most people spend more and tip more.
Tipping is a scam, add in 2+ dollar minimum wage from restaurant that's 10 dollars.

Fuck waiters.

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>>136418408

>Isn't there employer obligated to pay what is owed from their work? Enlighten me pol.

If their wages for the night without tips don't equal minimum wage then the employer is required to make up the difference.

So in effect if you don't tip them they're working for minimum wage which is a fucking pittance. If you can deal with being a cheap shekel pinching schlomo or an inconsiderate nigger then go ahead and stiff the tip, its your choice; but you're being a dick.

>>136429565
Wow major autism, did it ever occur to you there are tons of places to get food that don't have a tipping culture?

>but I want to eat at the one where I feel like a subhuman who gets his food spat in

Why are non tippers so incapable of introspection on their wants and desires?

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>>136429838
Why does anyone who makes more than minimum wage considered the bad guy? Servers have customer service out the ass on top of doing the majority of work in restaurants for free just to have the opportunity to serve there. the field is highly competitive with few actual good shifts per restaurant. Why do you feel they dont deserve your money for quality service? If theyre shit, you dont have to tip. why is the server bad when they work hard and get even years of experience to just move to a slightly better restaurant?

>>136429462
>And it's not untaxed. You're just a thief.
Say that again, statist?

But I cant pay tips to every waitress,the economic situation here makes it impossible

>>136429782
>>when you lie about your salary online to impress a waiter
>When you lie about your salary so online strangers don't make fun of you for being a waitress
You don't make 60k in 20 hours. Post what restaurant you work at.
Secondly, it's not to impress you, it's to put you down. Because you're a loser. And you do care; that's why you keep replying.

I even tip, refer to my original post in the thread
>>136426406
I just have problems with faggots like you with chips on your shoulders. You're just a garbage person.

Lastly, I'm a pharmacist. You going to talk shit about that? I don't care about some loser attempting to put down my profession.

>>136430073
you just need to embrace socialism like the USA has and subsidise the low income of others with your own hard earned money

Why the fuck do I have to pay a delivery fee?

>>136430099

I won't post what restaurant I work at because there is only one location on earth. If you are interested there are enough hints in this thread to narrow it down to 4. Pick any one of those and check the menu prices.

Poor niggers like you can't afford to eat there, everyone tips.

>lie on the Internet to feel better
>tell everyone you are a server

Pick one.

>>136430099

You still haven't even provided a relevant field when asking for the specific building I work in, by the way.

>why

>>136418995
>It was 12% or less when I was younger.

Yup. This is my real deal with it. The terms seem to be incredibly arbitrary. Servers seem to want to be able to send their kids to college.

For that matter, I hate eating out outside of fast food.

>>136430216
You call it socialism?Here every person,no matter if he/she is spanish or not,gets free education and healthcare.

This is a fucking joke,and people only blame some corrupt politicians,and they want to vote a communist party to "solve the corrupts problem"

>>136430286
>I won't post what restaurant I work at because there is only one location on earth.
Didn't even read the read of your post.
Nice LARP.

I make 300k as a Wendy's chef and I'm 11" hung.

>>lie on the Internet to feel better
>>tell everyone you are a server
>Pick one.

>be sneering cunt on The Internet to feel better about shit life
>be waitress
Pick both.

What gives you away is the Reddit spacing in all of your posts.

You

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This

>>136430323
>>136430286
>Poor niggers like you can't afford to eat there, everyone tips.
>>136426406

You have terrible reading comprehension.
No wonder your'e a waitress.

>>136429945
Nah, tipping culture is pretty pervasive in some areas so avoiding it really isn't always possible or reasonable.
Most restaurants, cabbies, delivery people all expect it.

I mean sure you can avoid it to some degree based on your own choices but its kind of shitty for the decent people who are willing to pay more but don't like or wish to take part in tipping culture.

>>136430413

>still won't even share a single detail about your job other than your salary

>Getting butt hurt I won't give you the fucking address I work at on a Mongolian kneebending forum

>going nuclear because of formatting

Jesus man, just end the pain already. I'm not even you and I'm starting to get depressed.

>>136430043
To simply respond, it depends on the restaurant. The quality of food, the quality of service.
My cousin is a chef at a luxury golf resort, he is paid salary. The waiters have full time jobs, tips are a bonus. The best is always expected, always.

At an IHOP if everything is perfect, I'll tip 15- 18% and not complain.
If it is anything less than perfect, anything. It's 10% or nothing.

I don't make enough money to throw at people who aren't providing me quality entertainment or service, period.

You're seriously implying most waiters are quality workers.
If I sit at a table for thirty minutes, you better be by every ten minutes minimum. I'm not a difficult customer.
I know what I want at every restaurant i've ever been to, I always order coffee and ask only one creamer per cup.
I ask for my check politely upon receiving my food. After enjoying my food I check my check, pay for my food, and let the person in question know if I'd like anything else.
It's pretty much the least stressful experience ever for the waiter.

Yet time and time again, I get shitty service.

Mainly the largest problem is a disconnect between waiters and the cooks.
One of them always fails, it's sad and I try not to punish waiters for cook mistakes, but hey.
If my food is late, you should have come to the table and told me so I would know it's not your fault.
literally day 1 shit.

>>136430413
>I'm 11" hung.
Show us daddy!

>>136418408
>tipping over five dollars to any waiter/waitress
Fuck you, platewrangler, if my meal was that expensive I'll tip the chef

>>136430570
>>still won't even share a single detail about your job other than your salary
>>136430099
>Literally say my profession in initial post addressing you.
refer to >>136430542
Keep on bringing me my food you stupid bitch.

>>136430552

>willing to pay more
>refuse to tip
>just force me to tip, senpai

God damnit how are people this cucking stupid reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>136418408
I believe the girls serving at our diner are making like 2.50$ an hour so if they aren't tipped they aren't eating. I don't know howit become a thing but it is. Never knew it was weird growing up. I'm a delivery driver for the same diner and I also get tips so I'm not complaining. They pay my bills

>>136418408
Quick guide for tipping

Step #1 - Round down to the nearest whole dollar amount.
>Less sig figs to worry about, round up if you're feeling generous

Step #2 - Decide how good the service was
>Shitty - 0% - YOU GET NOTHING!
>Slightly below average - 10% - move the decimal place and add
>Average - 15% - times three, divided by two, move the decimal place, add
>Slightly above average - 20% - divide by two, move the decimal place, add
>Excellent - patron's discretion

Step #3 (optional) - If the service was particularly noteworthy (extremely good or exceptionally bad), leave a comment with management
>Further rewards good service and punishes bad helps encourage better service in the future.

>>136430659

Only person whose told me their job was chefbro. If that's you then HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH I take all your hard work out, take credit for it, and still earn roughly the same as you adjusted for hours.

No wonder you are so fucking butt hurt. You are overworked in a hot kitchen will I flirt around up front getting money thrown at me.

Thanks for doing all the hard work. Stay butthurt, chefbro.

>>136430772
It used to be the delivery fee was the tip.
Now I order something online and I get
>outlandish minimum order like $30
>delivery fee
>processing fee for using the website
>tip

I exclusively carry out now, because it's such a racket.

I'll give them the tip of my penis

>>136429565
I think that logically tip culture is smart because it rewards better service. Whereas if I went to Europe where some stuck up waitress gets no tip service will be spotty, if i go to a mexican beach where all the business is basically tips, service is glorious!

>>136418408
Tbh i don't tip unless I'm actually waited on. Best service of my life 20%. Good service 15% (always remember 1.50 for every ten). The people I tip deserve it. This greasy Mexican place I love, they wait on you well, incredibly friendly, and are little mom-pop restaurant. I see no problem in incentivising that type of business and work ethic beyond my basic patronage.

>>136430988
And you get free shit in mexico if you tip good

>>136430891
>Only person whose told me their job was chefbro
>t. Waitress who literally cannot read
>>136430099

I must have linked it 4 times now.

>>136418408
It's annoying how I have to tip 6 million dollars for anything, it's worse if you're eating with people who make tips. Number one reason I NEVER go to restaurants that have waiters, or bars for that matter.

>>136418408
Is this a fucking joke? Nigger you're getting $5 at most if you do a good job.

>>136430692
Yes.
Force me to tip "aka pay your employees a reasonable wage"
Tipping cannot be both non-mandatory but also mandatory
if its mandatory then it really isn't tipping at all but an automatic fee and which case there is no reason to hide it from customers as if that makes them feel better and unfortunetly some tipping cultures seem to imply its mandatory which means its not a tip which MEANS DON'T CALL IT A TIP AND JUST CHARGE ME MORE YOU BASTARDS

>>136431091
So basically everywhere?
Where do you go?

I tip 20% or more on a regular basis because waitstaff generally put the money back into the economy. (They're white people where I live) plus I have worked in the food industry.

>>136431159
This.

This is the entire post I'm trying to make.
Tipping is a fine system, but you >>136430891
act like an entitled cunt and think it's some sort of expectation.

No, you get your 20% when you do a good job.
Anything less than that, you're getting 15%, and anything less than that, you're getting zilch.

>>136419750
It's businesses way to remind you it's the taxman's fault if prices are high.

>tipping 20 fucking percent

fuck america

>>136421514
>By the way, if you're reading this, here's another compelling reason to tip above and beyond: Chances are, you're a frequent traveler and you eat in a restaurant more than the average American, which is about five times a week.

What. Seriously? People go out to eat THAT MUCH? I'm lucky if I do it once every three weeks!

>>136418408
i NEVER fucking tip .they dont deserve shit. especially those fucking slants at the china buffet. i also leave a fucking horrible mess

>>136431017
You get free shit EVERYWHERE if you tip well
I "forget" to ring up all sorts of difficult inventory for good tippers.

>>136431023

>pharmacist

How's it feel knowing you are more likely to be replaced by a machine (and a security guard) than me?

My whole job is about personal touch, yours is autism replaceable by a Google search.

>count pills
>Google contraindications

Muh value muh hard work.

>>136431333
In other words, you're a grade A cuck.

Tipping is pure shit, and the only fags that defend it are greedy entitled waiters that want to get paid 20 dollars for bringing fucking food to a table and asking if you need water. Worthless beggars.

>>136418408
>not understanding its a complete jew meme we all fell for
as someone who was a kitchen manager at a restaurant for 10 years the whole tipping thing is complete bull shit.
>but muh i only make $2/hr without tips
find a different job faggots. all your doing when you tip is just giving the restaurant that much more money. they should pay these people at least min wage its not my job to pay your fucking employees. i pay for your service (cooking, preparing, and serving the food) not to pay your fucking employees so you can make more money.
under that reasoning is should give a tip to the cooks and dishwashers as well.

ITS A FUCKING JEW SCAM BOYS DONT FALL FOR IT!!!

>>136431159

I seriously can't tell if you are trolling or just alpha cuck leader.

>I don't want options
>I don't want control
>I just want you to tell me what to do clearly so I don't mess it up and make you mad.

Grow a fucking pair man. If you don't want to tip then don't, and live with the consequences. Stop begging for everyone to be cucked just because you desir bull jizz so much.

>>136431226
If I eat out I go to Chipotle or Moe's. I have lost some friends now that I don't go to bars but fuck that degenerate waste of money. I try to do more fitness related stuff for fun rather than consumptive activities.

>>136423807
>then tip out 6 cooks 5 dollars total.

Your restaurant in breaking the law if it enforces a tip-out to employees who receive regular wages.

Jesus there are a lot of fucking retards in this thread.

You know who doesn't tip? Kikes and niggers.

>>136431333
>put the money back into the economy
Are you that naive??? 100% of the waiters ive worked around have had a drug problem of some kind. anything from alcohol and weed to fucking crack. and im not talking about your fucking waffle house 3rd shift crackheads im talking about literally every restaurant ive ever managed everything from small time family business to the nicest place you can eat in a booming city

>>136418408
As a full time bartender my employers minimum to pay by state law is 3.35 an hour. Now if I don't claim enough tips that equal minimum wage they would have to pay me minimum wage. I also will never see my pay check because my 120$ a week goes to paying taxes on my claimed tips that I'm forced to claim.

I make 65K a year though and open bud lights for degenerates.

>>136431658
I can't argue. It's a fucked system. I know way too many fucks who collect welfare for a living so when someone has any job I'm surprised. I'm lucky to have enough cash to throw around I guess.

Waiters are subhuman. Get a better job faggot.

>>136431352
I have never claimed entitlement to tips and reccomended multiple times to not tip or tip a penny.

All I'm arguing is this cucks attitude of "I don't want any control in my life, so no one should have any control" and the other prevalent attitude of "I must convince others to not tip so I can no longer take advantage of it."

I do not care at all about individuals who do not tip, it's this wierd cultural push that disgusts me. Forcing your wants on other people is wrong. Imposing your technique of beating the system removes the system.

YOU DO YOU, STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

>>136431609
>How's it feel knowing you are more likely to be replaced by a machine (and a security guard) than me?
We already have robots fill scripts for us. We aren't getting replaced, techs are.
And if you really think you can Google clinical judgement for interaction, pharmacodynamics/kinetics, regiments, situational dosing, and finding a way to make all of this understandable for patients, then you are totally out of your element.

I would come expect nothing less than this level of ignorance from someone who carries food for a living.
And if you really think
>pharmacist more likely to be replaced that some expendable waitress
then you are totally delusional.

>>136418408
its the additional money you have to pay for doing something stupid like eating outside

>>136421514
I usually tip 20%, just because I typically get good service when I go to that place again, like how you give the bar tender a $5 tip on the first drink and he doubles all the alcohol in your dates drink. But fuck paying 25%

ITT a bunch of cucks that fell for the tipping meme
jesus i thought you people were intelligent

>>136424922
Servers are also better compensated in Australia and mostly ever other civilized country, so they're less reliant on tips. Also, maybe not incidentally, service tends to be far worse in casual settings in those countries.

>>136431938
Niggers that sell crack buy Buicks. And god willing cops confiscate their money and cars.

>>136431982
>I have never claimed entitlement to tips and reccomended multiple times to not tip or tip a penny.
And I don't care. My whole argument is that you're a total piece of shit.
You don't seem to understand this.

You don't think every job gets shit heads?
I have people all the damn time demanding things, bitching about prices, getting irate, and anything you can imagine.
Do you think I have some garbage attitude where I try to inconvenience these people?

No. I put on a smile and try to help them as best I can, even if they are shitheads.
That's the difference between you and me.
I'm a professional, and you're piece of shit.

That's my entire point.

>>136432029

>All of your pharmaceutical knowledge has been learned second hand.
>claim no one can learn this second hand

Wew

>>136431763
Jesus this is retarded reasoning.

Let me ask you this: every time you go grocery shopping, do you want some poor homeless person at the end of the line begging you for money in front of all of the other customers just for a dollar? How about every time you go to a convenience store, a poor orphan crying at the cash register?

Because that's basically what waiting tables is. It's forced empathy. No, I don't want the "option" to shove cash at someone needy every time I go to do something mundane in public. If I wanted to help those people, I would go find them. All waiting tables is is shoving those people into the restaurant experience so people feel obligated to shove cash at them for doing nothing. It has nothing to do with "control" any more than a homeless guy washing your windows is "control".

I want to go out and be able to eat at a restaurant without the equivalent of some homeless windshield washer constantly buzzing around my table and expecting a king's ransom for his busywork.

>>136432234

>Be BTFO
>don't care

There are some more differences, you know. You are poor and stupid.

But keep up the good work buddy! I'm sure your customers and management really appreciate it!

>>136432390

A better analogy to your examples would be... A homeless orphan outside the restaurant begging for money...

Not exactly part of their business model, is it?

>>136420937
>cry about not earning enough
>throw money in the trash

this is why i dont care if you starve

>>136431937
>You know who doesn't tip? Kikes and niggers.

You know who else doesn't tip?

Fucking EVERYBODY other than Americans, you god damn retard. You would know this if you ever left the country. Only Americans have been trained like seals to pity the poor waiter. Every other country just pays them a respectable wage and doesn't do the retarded fucking dance of tipping.

>>136425119
>can I get each item on a separate bill please
I fixed it.

>employers plow waiters up the ass with their business model
>instead of banding together to negotiate for fair wages, waiters shame customers and hold them hostage for tips by threatening to put spit/period blood/jizz in your food

Why can't you subhuman waiters just negotiate with your bosses?

I never tip anywhere and there is nothing anyone can do to stop me. Feels pretty rad man

>>136432390

"I don't want a server!"
>walks into a full service restaurant.

What's it like being totally ineffective at navigating your own life?

>>136432429
>make more than you and have actual skills
>this somehow makes me poor and stupid

>I'm sure your customers and management really appreciate it!
They do? It's called having actual work ethic and not needed a carrot and stick to do your actual job.

>>136432240
>push button on ipad
>conveyor belt brings me my food

>>136432519
Uh, no. It wouldn't. Why did you even say that?

>>136432541

But I haven't cried about that at all, I am very well taken care of with my job.

Why do you have to make things up? If I was that desperate for money is keep the pennies, as it stands I would literally lose money by spending the time to pick this money up.

>>136422222
>Remembering complicated orders
>99% of waiters write it down and charge extra for complicated shit and the chef doesnt do it anyway
Everyone hates you and wished that your job didnt exist in the resturant industry

>>136432748

>carrot and stick

What the fuck is your paycheck if not a carrot you stupid cunt.

Go work that same for free, then you can try to pull that.

>>136426215
this is why you're still working as a waiter you entitled faggot

its not my fault you got stuck in a shit job, its not my responsibility to donate my hard earned money to you.

id rather get my food from a conveyor belt leading form the kitchen then give you a single solitary cent.

luckily i live in a sensible country where tipping is seen as crass

>>136432752

>unemployed homeless man
>analogous with employee
>not analogous with unemployed homeless man.

This is getting pretty intense for me.

>>136432663
Fuck you're stupid. Would you have this same attitude if they had the "poor orphan bagger who needs tips" at a grocery store? Would you have your same stupid mentality when this stupid shit became widespread at almost every single grocery store, to the point where you had to deal with the poor bagging orphan and turn them down every time or else give them money? Where it became something "shameful" not to give the bagger 5 dollars? What about the poor fast food worker who needs tips? The poor clothing store attendant? Blah blah blah. Suddenly you have to tip everywhere, and what are you going to say? "OMG ur so stupid u walked in 2 a place that requires tipping and then demand they not have it LOL!!!"

You are a fucking retard. Tipping is a stupid practice intended to make stupid people think they're doing something good when all they're doing is perpetuating a system of greedy waiters demanding more money than their job is worth while simultaneously milking customers via pity. And dumb shits like you defend this shitty practice because you don't know any better.

>>136432221
im not talking about boons ive only employed one and about one month after he got hired a group of 3 monkeys came in trying to rob the place on the one day when the owners who open carry their guns were always off. me not being a dumb cunt conceal because i dont want to be a target. counting up the register at the end of the night see them come in despite the sign being turned off and most the lights off. they all pull out knives walking through the door which is about 30 ft from the register screaming about wanting
"all dat muny and dem tips too" (had a shared tip jar kept behind the counter)
they all took of running with the speed of usain bolt when they caught sight of my gun aimed right at them tripping over themselves pulling up their pants trying to get away.
anytime i think back on it these days i laugh my ass off. good memory

>>136427240
This story is complete fiction, every word of it.

>>136432833

>we hate you and your industry
>now bring me my refill

Maybe they wouldn't have a store to work at if you stopped giving them money.

>>136432911
My paycheck is a flat amount.
If my peers did the bare minimum, they would get paid same as I do.

I go above and beyond, because I like what I do, I take pride in my work, and I like helping people.
You just have a poor attitude, which would explain why you're in food service.

indiana law(not sure if differs from state to state,) is that they are paid like $2-$3/hr, and rely on tips. they have to make at least minimum wage for the day, and if they fall short for what they worked, the employer must cover that

Im european visiting san fransisco today and me and my gf were eating in a spaghettirestaurant and there was this table that left and didnt fill in the tipping section and his weighter was flipping out to the rest of the personel. Tipping system feels so retarded.

Hitler should have gassed the waiters too

>>136432981
You are dumb enough where I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time typing to you. The analogy is related to the pitiable begging state of the homeless man to the pitiable begging state of the waiter, not his homelessness. Fucking idiot.

>>136432928

I actually very much like my job. I've turned down jobs that actually use my degree, on one occasion at work mid shift.

If you don't like servers, stop going to full service restaurant.
Just stop making your own life worse. It isn't hard.

>>136427300
>free money is shitting on the floor

fuck off you faggot. i didnt get any free tips when i was shooting those commie gooks in veitnam

>>136433274
>bragging about declining a job that leads to a meaningful career

How much weed do you smoke?

>>136432564
That's not true at all. Tipping is the norm in the UK and France, i.e. the only two countries that matter, culturally speaking. At least at *proper* restaurants.

Americans often get compared unfavourably with Europeans in terms of etiquette but the truth is you're not so bad, better than most continentals. Much of the continent was taken over by Jew-tier lower-middle-class """manners"""" based on petty thriftiness (or rather, they'd hardly ever had their own elites to develop any etiquette...). A good common example here is not wearing shoes indoors, as if the people were there for the floor and not the floor for the people - all founded on a cult of petty thrift which sees an occasion to pinch some pennies on floor cleaning.

And so the average European (and even many Brits) will tut-tut at Yanks wearing shoes indoors and present themselves as superior and more worldly by removing them, oblivious to the fact that their own properly brought-up elites also wear shoes indoors as is proper Western etiquette.

>>136433003

I've never in my adult life had bag it service. I've seen people specifically request it when I was young.

Never in my thirty years have I seen forced bag running services. Most stores don't even offer it on request.

On that note, most food places don't offer servers even on request. You can go to those places instead of ones with servers to help break this horrible cycle that is ruining your life.

>>136433372
Servers make more than coders?