Are you ready pedes?

>>136414818
I enjoy alternate history discussion too. What did you think of that upcoming show about how the south won the civil war?

>>136414818
>Warren
Lowest voter turnout in history

>>136415368
>being oblivious to trump's unpopularity

>>136415471
>He still believes in (((polls)))

>>136414818
It's going to be a long,long time before the Democrats win PA,Michigan,Wisconsin again.Minn flipping in 2020. Demographic changes. The only thing keeping those states blue was the white working class who needed the Democrats, but Obama destroyed that. They were voting Democrat for economic reasons, and aren't interested in the liberal policies that have over taken the Democratic Party. Even whites in states like Conneticut and Maryland are abandaning the Democrats.

>>136414818
Does pedes refer to pedos? Hundreds of victims perhaps like a centipedo? Tory smith. Steele

>>136415941
Turn out for those key states were substantially low for Dems, not to mention the margins were too small to consider them solid Repub.

>>136414818
Okay, The Cubans and Venezuelans in Florida are not going to go for a socialist, and Wisconsin is red now, so you actually lose.

Wow, that got dark for you quick.

>>136415941
However, you may be right about Wisconsin, and Minnesota is one of the most liberal states so I don't expect it to flip anytime soon.

>>136416192
Penn & Michigan were the closest margins in the election.If Hillary had won those, even without Florida we'd have a neoliberal cunt for president right now.

>>136415941
It started with West Virginia in 2000. Up until 1996, West Virginia was one of the most Democratic States. Things changed, and the same thing is now happening in PA,Michigan,Wisconsin,Minn,Maine. i wouldn't actually be surprised to see the entire state of Maine go red in 2020. Hell, Clinton recieved millions of illegitmate votes in 2016, with illegal voters,people voting multiple times, and dead voters. If we had voter ID laws, she would have lost Nevada,NM,Colorado) If we had sane Democrats like there were up until the early 2000s, I would vote for them over Republicans in a heartbeat, but I won't because of this liberal hijacking who can't win without voter fraud.

>>136416484
>illegals
>dead

oh you're one of those

>>136416382
If the Democrats want to win those states again, the will have to nominate a moderate white Democrat. Liberals can't win here anymore.

>>136416603
Again, back to Donald's approval rating, its no secret he is an unpopular president, and unless he can miraculously turn a 32% AR into at least 46% which is where Obama was around reelection season, I don't see him having any change of winning again.

Not to mention Obama won by a higher electoral vote.

>>136416883
No one belueves that
List of Trump accomplishments so far
>Got us out of TPP
>Illegal immigration at record lows
>ISIS lost 1/3 of their territory in 6 months
>Stock Market at record highs
>Unemployment down to 4.4%
>Finishing our pipelines
>Factories opening back up
>Hosuing market is booming
>Reducing Regulations
>Veterens and law enforcement finally being respected

>>136416883
Still citing polls even after Hilalry lost. Even theGeorgia,Montana, and Kansas polls were rigged saying Democrats would win and they lost.

>>136417270
Literally none of these things have anything to do with Donald Trump, except deregulation.

It's impossible for Trump to have any affect on these things simply because he hasn't passed any legislation.

>>136417433
Turnout==/==Approval

Democrats will throw 2020 to Trump by having another awful candidate who can't connect with the majority of potential voters. More identity politics and whoring out to Soros.

If the DNC cleans itself up, maybe 2024 is reachable with a good candidate, but I can't see that. As long as they continue to listen to the likes of Hillary, Pelosi, Waters, Warren, etc, they're fucked.

I actually think we'll get Booker vs Trump and the Dems will save Warren or Biden for 2024. Trump will mop the floor with Booker, I even see Virginia turning red.

There are two ways I believe the 2020 election will play out, assuming Trump runs for reelection against a strong Democratic opponent.
http://www.270towin.com/maps/K2YKR
http://www.270towin.com/maps/36EAn

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>>136416218
The amount of Somalis there might push the whites further right

>>136416883
If you read the details of his approval rating polls, the main reason people view him unfavorably is due to his behavior. When they poll on his policies, majority of Americans actually agree with him.

>>136414818
Where have I seen this before?

>>136417789
Ohio is never going Blue again.

>>136417270
Hey how come the stock market and unemployment numbers were fake when Obama was president but now they are real? what changed? they seem like the same numbers

>>136417758
>Booker
I hate Booker and I think a lot of people do. I think they'll put up Biden since most liberals have a crush on Obama and Biden for whatever reason. Then 2024 they'll run one of their younger senators or representatives or governors.

>>136417789
There's no way Arizona is going Blue in three years, there's also no way that Pennsylvania isn't going Blue in 2020.

Florida, I think is going to be the major key to 270 in 2020.

>>136417921
Ohio is a swing state, don't get your hopes high on it being red forever. If Trump bumbles too much in the coming years(I am in the camp that believes he will continue to be a fuck up) then Ohio could go blue.

>>136417758
Biden is their best choice they need to return to a bill Clinton to win back white working class voters

>>136417952
Booker is just an Obama clone that whores out to Wall Street.

If you want to fuck his candidacy up, Kamala Harris as VP. All that race baiting.

>>136417921
I agree, Ohio and Indiana are pretty much solid R.

>>136416056
>no replies
Pedos confirmed. No wonder it was posted in relation to ivanka that monarch incest victim from pedo a lago

>>136418087
>>136417921
Trump's economic populism has turned the Midwest as red as the south

>>136417929
Oh, so now Trump should use the real guidelines?

If clinton was a terrible candidate and barely lost, doesnt that bode poorly for trump in 2020?

>>136418247

Economic populism and nationalism

locks the midwest

>>136418247
Let's see if he can actually deliver fiscally, if he doesn't deliver blue collar jobs to the Midwest, I think they'll grow tired of his behavior.

>>136418087
Florida too. South Florida Cubans love Trump, and love what he has done after the clown obummer decided to end the embargo, which helps give even more funds to an already represive Government.

>>136416484
MN was close to red this time around
Now we have the Somali affirmative action hire cop killing white people, St. Cloud mall attack. and insane health care premiums so we may go red next time kek willing

The Dems have nobody to run

Biden and Bernie won't have the stamina to run in 2020
Booker is too corporate and won't win the SJWs over
Kamala won't win the rust belt states due to her immigration and gun policies
Warren doesn't have the charisma to win over crowds

>>136418251
or you know, just continue to call them fake instead of touting them like they are real all of a sudden, seems.... disingenuous?

>>136418267
Yes. I don't think the DNC is going to fuck up with another neoliberal in 2020.

But then again, I also don't think they want to push to far to the moderates.

>>136418350
The Foxconn plant to Wisconsin keeps that state red

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>>136416218
trump did flip Minnesomalia, if Egg McMuffin wasn't doing the Jews' bidding

>>136418351
Don't forget about Florida's black population.

Not to mention if you take out third parties, Hilldog would have won Florida by a higher margin than Obama in 2012.

>>136418267
Most of the Clowns in the Democratic Party are worse
Warren-Fake Native American
Booker-Corrupt BLM clown
Pelosi-Clown who only remains elected do the illegal immigration, and would not be able to be a senator in any other state other than California
Lynch-Lol
The Democrats need a Jim Webb or a Joe Manchin

Clinton was corrupt flip flopper with heath issues, but she looks like an angel compared to what they have left as options.

>>136418566
So let me get this straight, Hilldog wins Minn. by 2% which makes it a swingstate, but there's no way in possibility that Pennsylvania and Florida which were margins of like .2% will flip blue?

>>136418349
Pivoting to issues like environmentalism (in a right wing way such as nuclear power and conservation)
And student loans and the college bubble can win white voters in the PNW and NE in states like Maine NH and Washington

>>136418623
all strong points except the first one, checking a box that says your native American isn't really the same as being the most corrupt woman on the planet

>>136418818
The Democrats have to do a long long rebuilding proceses. They have to earn white voters back. Calling people racists and calling people transphobes for not thinking a man in a whig a woman isn't helping their cause.

>>136418623
Webb and Manchin should just flip to republican like the WV governor there is no place for them in the Democratic Party anymore

They're gonna run a milquetoast centrist white male candidate because they're probably still convinced that Hillary lost 100% because she's a woman. It's gonna be a repeat of the 2004 election where the Dems absolutely have everything set up to win but still fuck it up by running an "adult" candidate that nobody can get enthusiastic about.

>>136418950
can you provide me proof of any mainstream liberal purposely antagonizing white voters?

>>136419007
This
Also if they run a white male candidate it would just piss off the SJWs and feminazis who wanted a black woman to run for president. The left is basically eating itself alive

>>136419007
the truth hurts son

>>136417929
Indiana is might flip by 2020 they are bussing in jigs everyday from Chicago Lafayette is almost there and they are starting to fill everywhere from northwest Indiana straight down i65 to Indianapolis.

>>136416111
What makes you think they will come back in 2020?
Obama's numbers were a fluke
>>136418780
The point you are missing is those 'small' GOP margins are only going to continue to grow for the foreseeable future

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>>136418780
not a chance republicans fuck it up because workers love tax cuts for the (((rich)))

>>136419191
this is the same conversation we had about republicans when Obama was president, no party looks good when they are out of power

>>136415654
You don't have to look at the polls. Everyone who isn't up this guy's ass hates him. I can 100% say that he will not be in office in late January 2021.

>>136418963
If they start a rebuild in 2018, they should have a chance at the 2032 election.

>>136419275
The same reason why any incumbent President doesn't do as well in the reelections, because his opposition has been energized, especially with Trump. Liberals really don't like him.

>>136419149
have you been alive the past 8 years?

>>136419317
You read Facebook too much.

All the same bullshit as what was said during the election.

>>136419315
The Dems lost a lot during the past eight years. They don't have the senate, house, Supreme Court and majority of governorships anymore
Eight years ago they were viewed as the people's party but now due to the influx of virtual signaling they've done they lost a huge faction of people, not to mention the massive shitstorm coverage of the DNC corruption scandal last year

>>136419570
an election that was barely won, and against the most hated woman in America. yea it'll be fine

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>>136419149
Read these headlines with white switched to black and get back to me

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>>136419570
I don't use Facebook, I talk to real people (including Trump voters such as myself). That huge drop of supporters from his base is real. It's not all of them, but enough of them.

>>136419675
same thing happened to the republicans in 06 and 08, its all just cycles my man

>>136419325
The Repbuild waill start in late 2018, after they lose a decent number of senate seats
Indiana-Gone
Missouri-Gone
North Dakota-Gone
Ohio-Gone
Highly contested
Florida
Montana
Wisconsin
Michigan
Pennsylvania

>>136419570
Trump lost the popular vote. He only won because he narrowly won Michigan and Pennsylvania. His lead in Michigan could easily erode next time.

>>136419413
blah blah GOP is energized tea party mitt romney 2012
And you're wrong historically the incumbent does better. Obama was one of the few that lost votes/states but still won reelection.

>>136419773
Excellent work. Saved for later

nigger plus

>>136419939
Manchin will be Republican by then also

>>136419975
No problem

>>136419858
Could be, who knows where these things can go
One thing for certain is that the left is at war with each other because a huge faction of them went off the deep end with identity politics. As of right now I don't see any Dem candidate that could stand up against Trump in the rust belt states but who knows

>>136419946
if incumbents historically do better then why are there only 18 two term or more presidents out of 46?

>>136416883
>don't worry comrades, Donald Trump will never be president
You typify the definition of insanity

>>136420259
agreed

>>136414818
at least put bernie there to make it semi believable

>rust belt
>blue
all i need to know you are fucking dumb

>>136420264
Because Democrats and Republicans used to be very simmilar parties until the early 2000s. So Registered Dems and Registered Rs would have no issue voting for the other Party. Hell, Bill Clinton was against illegal immigration, against fag marriage, and abortion. He was amazing. Only if is cunt wife didn't sell out to the libshits.

>>136420423
>bernie sanders is for middle schoolers and poor ppl
lol

>>136419720
>>136419815
>>136419944
Less than a year into his presidency. Conversations like these are pointless.

Come back in 3 years when we can decide whether or not he has had a positive affect on the US.

>>136420486
Bill Clinton won Montana,Tennesee,Arkansas,Kentucky,Arizona,Lousiania,Georgia, and Missouri. All deep red states. That should tell you everything you need to know.

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Wisconsin is staying red. Gov Walker is liked enough and he's very economic focused: all he posts about on social media is lowering a like $5 gas tax, bringing 10k jobs to Wisconsin, Wisconsin pride and economic issues.

Wisconsin dairy farmers got fucked by the Canadian dairy tariff, Trump imposed a lumber tariff as punishment.

There's no way WI will go blue: and Ohio/PA have similar demographics.

Especially since GOP will win more Senate in 2018, they'll be able to pass more laws.

The numbers are in Trump's favor, he just has to not fuck up.

>>136414818
Leftists should reeeealllly get out of the predinction game....

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>>136420582
That's true. Perhaps insisting his popularity will stay the same or drop lower is too much assuming. However, it seems as though the issues that many people have with him are constantly being addressed, but he doesn't take the initiative to fix them. I don't see it in him to work on his image to the public.

>>136416883
Nigger do you still not understand that polls are bullshit?

The people who are creating and calling out these polls knew Trump was going to win because they manipulated them themselves lol. Polsters are liars...

>>136421194
The national polls and most state polls were correct though. It was polling in some swing states that were fucked because they're not as thorough.

>>136421194
Polls-Clinton will win the Presidency-Lost in a landslide
Republicans will lose Kanas-Wins in landslide
Montana-He bodied slamed a reporter! he will lose! (wins by 10 points)
Georgia election-Dems will win by 5 points! Winds up losing by 5 points

>>136421504
Dude no polls said they'd lose Kansas or Montana.

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>>136421504
They actually overestimated Estes' win for example.

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>Texas
>Arizona
>Utah
>Georgia
>Ohio
>North Carolina
>Iowa
>red

Umm, no sweetie. Try again...

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>>136421504
And Montana. The only polls that had Quist up were Google Consumer Surveys.

>>136421941
>been on like a 5 year skid, wrong about literally EVERYTHING, still hasn't recovered from the most embarrassing political defeat in US history, losing to a reality show host
>thinks he's in a position to be making preditcions

>>136416883
>>136415471
>Believing National Polls in a country that does voting by states

National polls mean absolutely nothing because over half of the population lives in Los Angeles,Detroit,NYC,Dallas,Chicago,Houston,Atlanta,and Seattle, what you need to do is look at a state-by-state case when it comes to polling

>>136422653
>over half of the population lives in Los Angeles,Detroit,NYC,Dallas,Chicago,Houston,Atlanta,and Seattle

Not even remotely true.

just like Hillary won right?

>>136422653
thats only 20 million people

>>136423343
fuck is wrong with you? NYC metropolitan area contains over 18 million alone

>>136423621
i just googled all the places so idk
i google nyc population and it says 8.5 million

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>>136422768
>>136423343
point being is that the population density in those areas are higher than anywhere else in America so in any nationwide polling those areas, which for the most part vote democrat, would be a be a bias poll. I should have said "cities like Los Angeles,Detroit,NYC,Dallas,Chicago,Houston,Atlanta,and Seattle" to be more accurate

>>136423621
The NYC metropolitan area is a meaningless term. It's not actually NYC proper and spreads into three states and into counties that are run by Republicans like Westchester. It's useless for voting purposes. The area under the mayor of NYC has around 9 million people.

>>136423853
The nationwide polling was pretty accurate though. Polling in Ohio and Pennsylvannia fucked up.

investors business adily only pool that picked Trump to win

rest are shills

>NC
>red

>AZ
>red

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>>136418041
What you arent getting is that these states are still 80% white and now that identity politics has kicked in, a significant portion of them will never vote for an antiwhite democrat again as long as they live

Maybe you'd be right if the party drops the anti-white SJW shit, but what are the chances that happens? Almost nothing.

Michigan and Ohio are never gonna be blue again, and because of it democrats wont win at the presidential level for a long time

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Trump 326. Remember this post.

>>136416883
Nate Silver is that you?

>>136419413
What are you fucking retarded. 1984. Reagan wrecked house.

It will be Gabbard vs Trump in 2020
Warren is an old boot, Gabbard is the new face the democrats need to dig them out of the Hillary-dug grave.
I supported Trump but would switch to Gabbard if she ran.

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>>136416883
Listen, polls now are a joke, even more so than the election. Did you notice how the polls showed Trump as super unpopular all the way up until one day before the election, when they magically jumped to within the margin of error? That is because people wanted to make it look like Trump was unpopular so you wouldn't bother voting. But then, when they realized their efforts were futile, they jumped to within the margin of error to save at least a little of their credibility. Compare that to the current situation. There are THREE MORE YEARS until the polls need to be accurate again. Just wait until 2020, because right now the media is just trying to make Trump look like Satan incarcerate, and there are no repercussions against publishing a bullshit poll.

>>136430441
*Incarnate

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>>136414818
>be me
>Leave /pol/ for a while to focus on career
>come back to see what's been going on
>first thread I see is t_d refugee shitposting

Get the fuck out. You leddit faggots are cringey and need to go back to where you came from

>>136419317
Then it's a good thing 63+ million people are up his ass.

That's about 15x as many people as who even know who Elizabeth Warren is.

>>136430669
Your a dumbass. Read the map.

>>136416883
obama was also literally, shit :)

>>136415471
>Still believes polls
>Doesn't know that election is in over 3 years and polls couldn't matter less, even if they were accurate

>>136416056
"Pedes" is short for centipede, the joke is that centipedes are "nimble navigators" and Trump and his voters are supposed to be "nimble navigators" so they call each other centipedes or "pedes" for short.

>>136415471
It's been 9 months, loser

You lost

Libs are stupid.

>2020 is 4 years away, a million things will happen between now and then
>Trump is the incumbent. The last 4 out 5 Presidents won 2 terms
>Trump will have the full weight of the RNC and government behind him
>odds are Trump will run a more traditional "get out the vote door-to-door" operation in addition to his massive crowd campaigning

It's already over.

>>136414818
>Warren

>>136416382
PA anon here. Gas and Coal have won the hearts and minds here. You can take that off any chance for the democrats to win. ESPECIALLY if you run Warren. Trump was one of the biggest turnouts I've seen.