Fascism vs. National Socialism, which would be better and why?

>>136401903
National Socialism. It's ideas are more relatable to the common person. Fascism is more about hierarchy and order which is harder for people to really follow. NatSoc tends to be more about looking out for eachother and helping your countrymen and yourself to pass on their genes more successfully which are things that would attract followers. Fascism requires you to think in certain ways for it to be viable and is less in line with human thinking processes making it harder to enforce.

>>136403170

sounds like some liftist sh...oh wait, YOU are socialists, oh

>>136403170
natsoc has no economy that is not based on war
fascism has a defined economy.

>>136401903
Aren't they kind of the same?

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They're pretty much the same and both took many ideas from one another. I would happily settle for either.

>>136404215
Fascism was born partly out of syndicalism and Il Duce himself was a prominent socialist before becoming a fascist.

>>136404642
Yeah , I kinda figured they were alike.I think hitlers vision was more extreme though..

>>136404642
dat gif, Adi was such an autist

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Strasserism

>>136404379
wrong

>>136404379
>fascism has a defined economy.
yes: planned failure.

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Both Hitler and Benito were Godless beta autists. Franco was the alpha crusader with the best ideolgy.

>>136404379
Natsoc economy is whatever works best for the country. In the Third Reich it was a mix of keynesianism and dirigisme.

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>>136401903
Fascism in Portugal, Spain and Greece didn't start wars and didn't destroy the country.
German National Socialism, on the other hand...
>>136406276
/thread

>>136406277

>keynesianism and dirigisme

nowe thats some nice commie mix there

>>136407857
syndicates are for commies, falangist BFTO, is not time for try "never tried ideologies", national socialism work and that's what matters.

>>136406002

not like Adi's "economy" based on US credit taken for ww I reperations with payment peak in 1941-42 (fun fact:being at war with a state suspends all payments,US in this case).

>nazi economy

>>136406276
Franco was a fake fascist used by the Vatican,he betrayed the real fascist José Antonio Primo de Rivera

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>>136408631
We can clearly see how it worked.

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Is not NatSoc a type of fascism?

It obviously depends on the country; some national characters are better suited to particular ideologies. Good luck getting either to catch on in America, but as for my country of Italy, I think a localized fascism, with a bit less corporatism and a bit more national socialist economic practices, would be optimal. Localism in the sense de Benoist uses the phrase.

>>136408829
idiot, how new are you?, germany wasn't a war economy, go to /nsg/ general and investigate

>>136401903
neither, they both lost and shouldn't be repeated. LEARN from their mistakes and DO IT BETTER!

>>136408975
worked, the jews declaring war wasn't fault of the ideology
no one in this board know anything of germany 1933-1939?
oh I forget the reddit cancer

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Fascism is better.

Nazism has the stupid racial fake Aryan nonsense.

Rudolf Hess being an exception who looked like he could be from Iran having a unibrow.

What Nazi strived to look like this?

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>>136409313
if you born shitskin is not our problem, you can kys

How about you kids start to think for yourself and stop repeating history, and create something new?

>>136409039

>war economy

Just before you gtfo, pls tell me if you know anything about crediting germany 1933-1939 with international loans maybe?

after this, you can gtfo as i said, thank you

>>136409495
of course, because is so easy make another ideology!

>>136409737
>international loans
HAHAHAHa
or you are a shill who try to uniform
or you are very stupid and don't know anything about nazi germany
do you know what is money based on labour ?

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>>136409437
We are the real Caucasians and Aryans.

You are a fraud.

>>136401903
There is no National Socialism or Fascism.
There is only Socialism.
Fascism and National Socialism are misrepresented names of political parties, promoted by dumb west.
Original names were:
Partito Nazionale Fascista
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Political parties can be named anything, important are the laws and laws either create Socialism or democracy or monarchy.

>>136409756
>oh mommy but its hard
>i have to THINK
>for MYSELF
>can you imagine mommy how hard that would be?

>>136409759
literally no one cares either the neutral countries or the holocaust

I dare you to invade france across the maginot line, 100.000+ dead germans instead of 30.000 thanks to the manstein plan

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>>136410066
"Nationalsozialistische"

Gee, I wonder what the fuck that means.

>>136410018
hahahaha still mad iranian monkey,
and the word "aryan" don't have the same meaning as it had in early 20th century
You don't know anything about politics or history or nothing.

>>136410159
do you think the people here is predisposed to do anything instead of watching e celebs, trump tweets or watching anime?

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>>136410371
Yes,because germans were obviously the master race.

>>136410246
It's a name, like a brand, nothing important. Laws are important, maybe study those. I know 12 year old don't like to think, but at least try.

>>136410004

>he literally thought that III Reich's might was taken out of thin air (and economic crisis) in4 years.

now, thats the moment when you gtfo.

>>136410480
I told you what to do.What you actually do,i could not care less.
I just robbed your excuse in the future when you try to tell your kids you didnt know better.

>>136410491
better than russian communist savages
germany is the only country that fighted the jews, and is still hated

>>136410159
>Almost all relevant politicians in the history of mankind were children

Kek, alright mr. grown-up. Enlighten us on your superior ideology creating skills.

>>136410688
sure, the jews in uk or us sure granted loans to hitler! they paid hitler to invade! they loved hitler!

>>136409756
yes, actually. You simply admit past failures and form a hybrid of the parts that actually worked and weed out the parts that clearly did not. And you evolve and grow into a new ideology that will be better because it doesn't flair around in the mire of the past fleeting glory but builds toward an actual developmental stage of sustainable life. stop hanging on dead men's balls and grow some of your own. it's entirely possible to fuse the better parts together and reject wholly outright the weaker/failed parts of several ideologies. i do it all the time.

>>136410717
so, I have to do the ideology menwhile the others fap to anime porn?

>>136410789
>Germany is the only country that fighter Jews
>le being defeated by Communists even when they attacked all of Europe makes their enemies all Jews
Jews were only expelled from Germany? Study history and you will realize Jews were also expelled from Soviet Union and also from Germany in past before Hitler, also from 100 different countries. Hitler wasn't the first guy to kick out Jews.

>>136411019
yes, that is literally what always think
but this stupid people directly reject national socialism instead of making better

>>136410371
What do you think Iran means?

It predates the 20th century.

>>136411162
europe is still in the hands of the jew, and I dont want Iran or NK, we need european countries, no pussies hidden behind nukes

>>136410932

No, they've invested in the investment funds, they didn't know where the fuck the money goes as much as there was profit on the horizon.
got the picture now?

>>136410789
>germany is the only country against jews
Boy,you are really a kid.
>>136410803
You cant even understand a simple sentence.
>>136411082
You too cant even understand a simple sentence.

>>136406474
Portugal during Salazar helped Jews and locked up fascists.

>>136411377
with what they invested, dollars?
and also I don't believe anything said without source

>>136411669
no one in this board will do anything behind a computer

>>136411364
We just need to ban foreign capital and everything will be alright and that's exactly what every nationalist done.

different people thrive in different systems

>>136411886
You might as well look up Hjalmar Schacht then.

>>136401903
Socialism is for the weak only. It insinuates everyone is equal, when in fact nature has an observable hierarchy of order. NatSoc is delusional to deny natural order.

>>136411894
not all countries can be self-sufficient

>>136412091
I already know who he was, the progress of germany wasn't thanks to him

>>136412104
the only people who can and want to work are equal

>>136412201
Then tell me why is he famous ?

>>136412113
You don't need to be self-sufficient. You just need to produce it yourself and trade raw materials. There's no need for any inch of this planet to buy brands or allow foreign companies to be build on its land. There's also no need for foreign money. Who says nationalistic countries can't trade? They trade, create in other non-nationalistic countries and they buy raw materials which they can't extract in own country and of course have own money only.

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Neither since they both lose sight of what matters: the faith of the nation. Legionarism and Falangism are superior in this most important respect.

>>136412354
famous, where?
he worked before durant the weimar republic in the exactly same position

>>136412383
so, you need many nationslist countries

>>136412274
Wrong. Even among those workers some are better, stronger, and more efficient workers, or display more leadership qualities. Meaning some have more worth than other, so they are not equal.

>>136412589
You see,you know nothing.Dig deeper,who he was and what did he do.

>>136412673
Why? Nazis build in Poland, they build in Africa. Soviets build in Africa, Yugoslavia build in Africa, China build in Africa, they build in non-nationalistic and non-Socialistic countries. We had great relations with Muslim countries, didn't have any Muslim migrant. What was Poland for Nazi Germany, what was Hong Kong for England, what is Hong Kong now for China? It is protectorate, not China, but not even that is needed, you can just trade raw materials, there's no need to conquer Poland at all, but if you do of course you make laws there. If capitalists/monarchy conquer you they will not care about any order, they only like fast exploitation and cash as long as it can be squeezed out. Hong Kong under England was exploited for England only, Hong Kong under China is exploited by anybody in Hong Kong.

>>136412916
so narional socialism is better for them instead of socialism
>>136412946
stop bitching and thell what you are trying to demostrate
he wanted to make loans for germany but hitler stoped him

>>136411782

https://www.sott.net/article/298259-The-Americans-who-funded-Hitler-Nazis-German-economic-miracle-and-World-War-II

>>136401903
fascism would work better than national socialism in the US, for demographic, economic, and cultural reasons

>>136413193
I already told you to think for yourself.Now you want me to tell you what to think.Interesting.
Do you think Hitler made a miracle with the economy?
Would you justify it with the greater good if the nazis literally commited fraud to get the money for that miracle?Because they did.With the help of Schachter.From the same Schachter who played happily ball with the weimar era.
The sad truth you will arrive at your journey is that Hitler was a pazi who got used by the jews to get Israel.Without Hitler there would be no Israel today.
You want to know why Hitler went crazy?
Because he realized that he was used to destroy his beloved volk.Right from the start.

>>136413803
he got help from the companies inside and outside of germany if is thst what you are trying to say
what's wrong about that?
Hitler needed a lot of money for the election campaigns

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>>136401903
Anyone who believes there is an ideological difference between them hasn't read books on it. The only difference between NatSoc Germany and Mussolini's Italy is the cultural difference between germans and italians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kaNEURnyog

>1 post by this ID
Divide&conquer thread.

>>136414107
sure, the jews expected the defeat of stalingrad a decade before
that theory is stupid

>>136414107
>Do you think Hitler made a miracle with the economy?
He did.
>Would you justify it with the greater good if the nazis literally commited fraud to get the money for that miracle?Because they did.With the help of Schachter.
This is bullshit. If you are referring to the mefo bills it was indeed because of the genius of Schacht that saved Germany from the crippling reparations of Versailles.
>The sad truth you will arrive at your journey is that Hitler was a pazi who got used by the jews to get Israel.Without Hitler there would be no Israel today.
I'm always amazed how the most ignorant have the most bold opinions. What is the Balfour declaration?

>>136414312
>theory
Its you who has a theory.I have facts.

>>136414116

Just sum up these and credits taken for WWI reps and you won't get a "election campaign" found, you will get sinews of war with capitalist creditors of 1930's US unaware (not willinig to know thats going on).

>>136414460
>Hitler did miracle with the economy
>fraudster is a genius
>If you refer to documented case of fraud
>its bullshit
>it doesnt matter if its literal fraud
>i call it still a miracle
Thats you.Full of logic and wisdom.

>>136415009
It's not fraud it was a way to cheat the monetary system and allow Germany to escape from the unfair Versailles diktat. Do you like the Treaty of Trianon?

>>136415271
Facts dont care if you or me like them or not,they stay facts.

>>136401903
National Socialism is like a premie ideology. It's the work of Hitler, a single man, and it was never finished due to WW2. Fascism is not as historically contextual.

The one that's not Italian?

>>136415537
Yes the fact is that Schacht was a genius that cheated the system and saved Germany.

>>136415589
Absolutely not true. Read German authors from the conservative revolution in the 20's. Spengler, Arthur Moeller van den Bruck.

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RIP Ernst Zündel (1939–2017)

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>>136401903
Neither, they both lost so they are both degenerate like socialism.

>>136415664
>commiting fraud
>genius
Yes,kid.This mindset is why history repeats itself,because nobody learns from history,just repeats it without thinking for themselfes.
You dont even realize that all that Hitler did was made a war economy.Guess what?Every war economy in history was very succesful.But only while there was someone to rob from.

>>136401903
National Socialism. It's just a mixed economy while being an ethno-state.

>>136414522
I can't believe I had wasted my time in you and your stupid theories, your people fought with the germans
shame on you

>>136404379
The US has no economy that is not based on war... if you only look at the Gulf War period. NS purpose was to destroy Marxism, which is why they needed a large military. It was circumstantial.

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>>136416461
Ah,yes,shame.Whatever,kid.1488 gas the kikes amirite?!

>>136416665
go to suck soros cock

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>>136416327
You're severely retarded "muh fraud" shouting is pathetic. You don't even realise what Schacht did.
>You dont even realize that all that Hitler did was made a war economy.
>inb4 "German war machine required constant war"
Their GDP was growing regardless of whether they were actually at war or not, because a military industrial complex (military spending) doesn't require actual war. The US and many other nations today take advantage of this, and spend of their military despite not "being at war".
>inb4 "German military spending was unsustainable"
>German GDP in Billions of Dollars:

>1938 - 351
>1939 - 384
>1940 - 387
>1941 - 412
>1942 - 417
>1943 - 426
>1944 - 437
>1945 - 310

As far as military spending, Germany barely broke the US threshold of 40% of GDP, the entire duration of the war, and spent LESS THAN THEIR RIVALS in preparation building up to war:

>CHART 9 - spending as percent of Germany GDP:

>1935: 8%
>1936: 13%
>1937: 13%
>1938: 17%
>1939: 23%

http://voxeu.org/article/macroeconomics-germany-forgotten-lesson-hjalmar-schacht
http://www.nber.org/chapters/c9480.pdf
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-germany-military-expenditure/

>>136413803
Lol, you just linked to a conspiracy blog wherein it is stated that the bankers worked alongside the Nazis with prior knowledge of WW2, knowing they could profit off of it. Pseudo-history, basically.

>>136413803
>>136417084
To add, these same fortune-tellers would finance the German war machine prior to the war... knowing that they would default on all the payments because they had just been taken for a ride by the Third Reich. It makes no logical sense.

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>>136417084
Truth will triumph in the end. This might be the most slandered man in history but immigration is already waking up people.

>>136413803
Recommend reading this, it's less biased: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_07.htm.
>We do know that prominent European and American industrialists were sponsoring all manner of totalitarian political groups at that time, including Communists and various Nazi groups....In the early 1930s financial assistance to Hitler began to flow more readily. There took place in Germany a series of meetings, irrefutably documented in several sources, between German industrialists, Hitler himself, and more often Hitler's representatives Hjalmar Sehaeht and Rudolf Hess. The critical point is that the German industrialists financing Hitler were predominantly directors of cartels with American associations, ownership, participation, or some form of subsidiary connection. The Hitler backers were not, by and large, firms of purely German origin, or representative of German family business. Except for Thyssen and Kirdoff, in most cases they were the German multi-national firms — i.e., I.G. Farben, A.E.G., DAPAG, etc. These multi-nationals had been built up by American loans in the 1920s, and in the early 1930s had American directors and heavy American financial participation.
They weren't funded because they knew what the outcome of the war would be. The war broke out because they had the power to say 'fuck off' to the bankers and not pay what they took.

>>136413803
The same thing goes with the German-Jewish Warburg family.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_family#American_and_German_Warburgs
>Paul Warburg was a planner for the U.S. Federal Reserve System which is a collection of private banks, and attended as the American representative, at the Treaty of Versailles conference, where his brother Max was on the German side of the bargaining table...Beginning in 1933, Max Warburg served on the board of the Nazi Reichsbank, reporting directly to Hjalmar Schacht, before emigrating in 1938.

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>>136417570
>including Communists
Guess (((who))) financed them and kept silent about the genocide in the USSR. Read Culture of Critique.

>>136416921
>war economy without war
>thats what dumbfuckistan does
Oh,great kid.Yes.War economy is created because its working without war.Thats why dumbfuckistan didnt went to war since ww2.Thats why Trump is so desperately looking for a place to send the military but dumbfuckistan runned out of places to invade without getting nuked that he even proposed to cleanse mexico from druglords with the military.
Fact is there was no miracle,it was fraud commited on simple people(!!) and even this fraud was not sustainable so war happened.
It just reeeks from the smell of jewery,you know.
Set up Hitler with Schacht to make money from fraud to fuel his dream made Hitler commit to this type of economy.
Poland jews jew with germans living there,taunting Hitler for go to war or let the public start whispering about how he lets the poles get away with jewing with germans.So Hitler commits to the war because all the jews want was war.
So how was he not used as a pazi ?

Fascism is cool but only if it's applied to an ethnic group. Problem is it's not strictly a racialist political system.

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>>136417770
Yeah, I am well aware of Schiff and the like. It isn't a surprise that various people donated to various political parties. What is absurd is to claim that the same donators also knew a war was going to break out and that their companies would be nationalized... yet still donated. It makes no sense.

>>136418386
It is but Italy never had a large jewish minority or colony immigration like France and the UK. Belive me if Mussolini saw Italy today he wouldn't care about a thing until all foreigners are out.

>>136418530
>Italy
You may consider that Italy was the main reason Hitler failed.You know,maybe there is a reason they got away with switching sides at the last second?Just like Romania?Oh,noes,the allies were just friendly and only hated german nazis reeeeee

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>>136418101
I can't even read your rant. I already gave you links explaining the keynesian economy of Germany and Italy. Anything else is a conspiracy to tarnish Hitler's legacy.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-economic-history/article/div-classtitlethe-role-of-private-property-in-the-nazi-economy-the-case-of-industrydiv/5853885D956348A13B5CEFDC42313E2B

>Against the Mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930's Germany (Germa Bel)
http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf
http://voxeu.org/article/macroeconomics-germany-forgotten-lesson-hjalmar-schacht
https://pridecomethbeforeafall.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/hitlers-economic-miracle/
https://youtu.be/pKnFN8P21-0

>>136418783
>You may consider that Italy was the main reason Hitler failed.
I won't even bother.
>You know,maybe there is a reason they got away with switching sides at the last second?Just like Romania?
The fascists didn't switch sides in fact they fought in the north to the last man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL8H28f_r8E

>>136404379
human life is constant struggle and the life of a nation is constant war. If you are not at war or preparing for war you are stagnating. Life is eternal fighting.

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>>136418791
>>136419049
Okay,kids.Bedtime.

>>136404379
we were basically a democratic nazi germany before palme.
we had the same economy as nazi germany and we didnt need war to keep it going.

>>136419215
Wow... so this is the power of Hungarian "arguments"...

>>136419215
You're not (You) when you're Hungary...