[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / bant / biz / c / can / cgl / ck / cm / co / cock / d / diy / e / fa / fap / fit / fitlit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mlpol / mo / mtv / mu / n / news / o / out / outsoc / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / spa / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vint / vip / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y ] [Search | Free Show | Home]

15$ minimum wage is fucking retarded.

This is a red board which means that it's strictly for adults (Not Safe For Work content only). If you see any illegal content, please report it.

Thread replies: 147
Thread images: 20

File: 1486529455712.gif (438KB, 294x342px) Image search: [Google]
1486529455712.gif
438KB, 294x342px
/pol/ 15$ minimum wage. How can people be so fucking stupid? HOW? I just can't...
>>
>>136359707
you can and you are
>>
>>136359707
if someone starts talking about $15 minimum wage just agree and amplify and tell them you think the minimum wage should be $5000/hr
>>
File: IMG_3582.jpg (43KB, 480x480px) Image search: [Google]
IMG_3582.jpg
43KB, 480x480px
Minimum wage jobs are for kids in high school and notmally have low brain power tasks. Want more money- get a better job.

t. $255k per year job with no college degree.
>>
>>136359707
The purpose of 15 dolla min wage is to make it economically nonviable to operate a business in low population density areas. Thus forcing people from the suburbs/small towns to move into inner cities. It's more of that same old democratic party social engineering bullshit.
>>
>>136359961
This. Just tell them of this country called Zimbabwe where every working woman makes at least 10000000 monetary units an hour!

I've noticed that leaves even hardcore lefties without any chance for coherent counter-argument.
>>
>>136360081
>Like you can control what two privates do in low populated areas.

The goal of minimal wage it's to discourage piggy greed.
>>
>>136360081
I doubt any of them have the brain power to think like that. It's more than likely an unattended consequence, much like getting their hours cut.
>>
>>136359707
Whites should get a cumshot wage for all the bbc they have to suck
>>
>>136359707
what they don't understand is that a $15 minimum wage will just make a higher percentage of people in poverty, which is probably what most of these lazy money grabbers want anyways. it will literally do nothing to improve their lives. there will simply be more poor people.
>>
>>136360047
What the fuck do you do
>>
File: 1493733309716.jpg (46KB, 266x400px) Image search: [Google]
1493733309716.jpg
46KB, 266x400px
I'm almost inclined to say... Let them have it. Fucking campaign for it. Push it. Because when it fucking arrives, their whole shit show will come crashing right the fuck down.
>>
People need money to live. Paying them a decent wage should not be abhorrent. Corporations have the money, mom & pop's will adjust.
>>
>>136360374
Then at the vert least, they have enough brain power to hire people who are smart enough to help them accomplish these goals.
>>
>>136360584
>hey rich guy, you can spare some.

why is this such a common argument? do you have any idea how hard it is to be rich? most of you wouldn't put in the effort. rich people work like dogs and having all the money means you take all of the risks. I bet you think you deserve more than $15 for flipping burgers because hey rich man you got enough let me get somma that.
>>
>>136360757
Fucking... This.
>>
>>136359707
Explain why it's bad
>>
>getting paid $8 bucks an hour
>various welfare, subd housing, subd healthcare, food stamps
>$15/hr lose most of welfare, lose housing subd, lose subd healthcare
>have as much money as before
>>
>>136360584

Let's say I'm an independent business owner. It's a small store, for the sake of argument. I have eight cashiers/stockers who work for $10 an hour, 30 hours a week ($2400 a week expenses). I have four shift managers who work for $15 an hour 40 hours a week (+$2400 a week expenses). Finally I have two general managers who make $20 an hour who work 40 hours a week (+$1600 a week expenses).

Total weekly payroll: $6400

On an average week, after all expenses, I take home $1000 for myself; the equivalent of making $25 an hour for the ~40 hours I spend at the store every week.

So now this new law comes along and on Monday I have to start paying my cashiers an extra $5 an hour... if anyone has been keeping track, that's an added $1200 every week. I only made $1000 "extra" dollars every week to take home and feed my family, so what the fuck am I supposed to do here?

>All your customers will be making more money so they will spend more at your store and/or more people will be able to become your customers because they can now afford your products.

So... I should raise prices? If everyone does this, how does this help anybody? They'll be making more money, but that money will be able to buy the exact same amount of stuff.

>No, you'll move more product. Because people will be buying more things with the extra money they have.

I'm at capacity; as a small business my operation is efficient by necessity: I don't pay for more floor space than what I need for the number of customers I expect to serve. I can't afford to. I don't order more product than I can reasonably expect to move because I can't afford to. Now you're telling me I need to move more units to break even? How many more customers can I expect? Can you quantify it? Because I need to know how much additional floor space I need (and I need to find a place to rent with said floor space) and order additional product and if I'm wrong by any significant percentage I'll be out of business.
>>
>>136360429
also it will ad to inflation, our min wage $18.29 which is $14.50 USD and stuff here is way more expensive
>>
>>136360757
It's also just retarded. If you double the minimum wage you will also double the rich person's wage.
At the end of the day the expense of paying $15/hr will fall on the purchaser/customer and depending on what the purchase is, the customer might be a minimum wage earner.

Not to mention that some skilled jobs pay $15/hr and now their making the same as a burger flipper so they will want proportionally more.

You have to have shit for brains to think that minimum wage has an effect on purchasing power.
>>
>>136360889
Explain why Japan has worse purchasing power than USA while everyone gets paid minimum 1000 monetary units per hour. Your answer is right there. It's not bad or good, it's utterly pointless.

Salvador Allende also famously increased minimum wage repeatedly. So did Hugo Chavez and Robert Mugabe. Worked out just fine, everyone can afford Tesla there, right?
>>
$15 hr and legal weed are a huge success here in seattle.
it must suck living in a conservashit state with no freedom and no living wage.
>>
File: dafsd.jpg (15KB, 600x591px) Image search: [Google]
dafsd.jpg
15KB, 600x591px
>>136360889

It's bad because of...

>>136360896
>>136360429
>>136360271
>>136360081 <-----

When government modifies the terms of private business exchange beyond the scope of its duty to mitigate negative externalities, the system will automatically correct itself.

In this case, raising the minimum wage to 15$ an hour puts smaller businesses out of business, and reduces total overall economic output. It stifles innovation and rewards people who HAVE NOT FUCKING EARNED THEIR PIECE OF THE PIE.

If you want to make 15+$/hr, fucking earn it, faggot.
>>
>>136359707
yea it should be like 20 or something.
>>
File: file_20160105152302.jpg (40KB, 600x400px) Image search: [Google]
file_20160105152302.jpg
40KB, 600x400px
>>136361284
Minimal wage saved the population when we stoped having healthcare and ensured enough income to start having healthcare again.
>>
>>136360889

>>136361071 <-----

Also, very much this.
>>
File: cuckattle.jpg (309KB, 960x588px) Image search: [Google]
cuckattle.jpg
309KB, 960x588px
>>136361288
how much do you spend on beard oil a week faggot?
>>
>>136360310
"Piggy" is large conglomerates that work hand in hand with government, increasing government control often leads to increasing profits, the commie push has been supported by big biz, they like their protected industries and atomiezed masses who have no identity left than through products. Marxism is a bigger failure than even most polacks realize
>>
>>136361071
>you will have to raise prices anyways
being at the end of the supply chain handing the product off to the customer
>take a loan buy 4 self serve cashier machines
higher wages accelerate automation, eventually the increase in tech adoption and capital going into tech will end up lowering the cost to the consumer in the very long run.
>>
>>136360491
>who does he do
That's the question.
>>
>>136361764
He's a prostitute. PM'd me on reddit about it.
>>
> Have work requirement for food stamps and welfare.
> Raise Minimum wage.
> Having any job now means you make too much money to be eligible.

Really makes you think.
>>
>>136360584
Poor people are not poor because the Minimum wage isn't 15 dollars an hour, they are poor because they refuse to learn how to manage money or their lives. Half of these people don't even have fucking back accounts, because they spend every cent they make, rather that's 500 or 5000 dollars. A higher hourly rate just means more booze and drugs. Oh and it leads to people actually trying to get somewhere having no entry point int o the workforce, and others get their hours cut or outright loosing their jobs because businesses cant keep them employed.
>>
>>136362416
I think seperating the lumpen proles fron the proles would be apt here, or in neoreactionary terms, the working poor from the underclass
>>
I feel like even with an increase in minimum wage ratios spending/saving due to an increase in inflation (or not, usually if people make more, they spend more) will stay the same leading to no change
>>
>>136361558
Momentarily. Then it was raised again and again and then your country went to shit in two years, leading to based Pinochet to purge your marxists.

Purchasing power has absolutely nothing to do with how many monetary units you get and all to do with productivity.
>>
File: sweetie.jpg (69KB, 641x640px) Image search: [Google]
sweetie.jpg
69KB, 641x640px
>>136359961
>well OF COURSE it shouldn't be that high, silly
>>
>>136359707
>people shouldn't be able to survive on their earnings
why?
>>
>>136361284
>minimum 1000 monetary units per hour.
the minimum wage in Japan is lower than 1000 yen, it varies by prefecture but 823 is average for the nation. Some prefectures are in the 600's and some are in the 900's
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/seisakunitsuite/bunya/koyou_roudou/roudoukijun/minimumichiran/
>>
>>136362853
You can survive on minimum wage, but you can't be comfortable. This is the incentive to move upward through the workforce in case you haven't realized
>>
>>136359777
checked nippon
>>
>>136361624
>higher wages accelerate automation, eventually the increase in tech adoption and capital going into tech will end up lowering the cost to the consumer in the very long run.
WOW
ITS ALMOST AS
ITS ALMOST AS IF RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE WOULD INCREASE UNEMPLOYMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE ARGUMENT AGAINST RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE.
>>
>>136359707

Just make it $100/h, it won't matter. Money isn't on a gold standard. It is pseudo-socialism. Making between 25-55k a year is about the same standard of living.
>>
>>136362705
But increasing the minimum wage doesn't help the working poor, it hurts them the most. Those that are working 40 hours a week giving it their all, showing up everyday on time, they get paid the most, so they are going to be the first ones to get their hours cut. Jamal is just going to get fired.
>>
>>136363374
That's the point retard. If you have to pay 15 an hour to a worker your only gonna hire the best workers. Which means low skilled niggers and spics are out of a job. And if they don't ha e a job and we cut unemployment as well then bye bye
>>
>>136359707
You're retarded fuck-o. Put the $ in the right place.
>>
>>136359961
>if someone starts talking about $15 minimum wage just agree and amplify and tell them you think the minimum wage should be $5000/hr

yeah but what's the argument against adjusting the minimum wage according to inflation ?
>>
What is it with Republicans and wanting to work for next to nothing while their employers enjoy the fruits of their labour?

Textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome.
>>
File: 1501872663523.jpg (26KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]
1501872663523.jpg
26KB, 640x480px
>>136360047
A fine tale
Itt: kewlservative tweens
>>
File: 1499034549393.jpg (30KB, 546x725px) Image search: [Google]
1499034549393.jpg
30KB, 546x725px
>>136363989
Your mother must hate you anon
>>
The leftist don't understand anything about supply and demand. The only people asking for higher wages are two of the biggest labor pools in the in the country, cashiers and food service workers.

The reason they get paid so little is the fact there are so many of them. Think about it, go down the street and tell me how many restaurants there are or how many people in a retail store are the cashiers. You will be surprised how many people are or were in these jobs in your town. I would estimate at least 50% of your town's population has been in food service or a cashier.

The basic premise is that there are too many people in these two fields. there is no reason to pay them a lot because they can be replaced so easily.
>>
File: 149343776576.jpg (54KB, 597x597px) Image search: [Google]
149343776576.jpg
54KB, 597x597px
>tfw I make 17$/h packing grocery bags

These dummies probably pay too much for me.
>>
>>136364279
no. what is minimum wage in sweden?
what is the cost of living?
>>
>>136360491
General Manager
>>
>>136364339
>what is the cost of living?
Too much.

>what is minimum wage in sweden?
We doesn't have any minimum wage laws here in Sweden.

It all depends on what line of work, and it's set up by the unions and stuff.
>>
>>136364122
Why do you assume we make minimum wage? Most of use have realized that if we stop complaining and blaming other people for all our problems, we start to get rewarded for our efforts and actually get somewhere. If you are at all competent you don't stay making minimum age past age 20. But its getting harder and harder to get started because idiots are taking those jobs and trying to keep them and live off them, making it harder for youth to find employment and start the process.
>>
File: 1500164211299.jpg (124KB, 882x731px) Image search: [Google]
1500164211299.jpg
124KB, 882x731px
>>136359707
>>136361305
>>136364279

I know you're some retarded foreigner by the place you put your dollar signs
>>
>>136364933

The only way for young people to get a start now in retail or food service is to get them into the back end of the business like warehouse. I would also suggest getting into construction as a starter job and avoid the """"""service sector"""""".
>>
>>136364933
>Most of use have realized that if we stop complaining and blaming other people for all our problems, we start to get rewarded for our efforts.

Boot Licker.

Half the office is having their jobs outsourced to India, but you Jim, don't complain! And I like that. You can train them before you are laid off.
>>
>>136359707
The left is all about short term solutions. When they get this wage they are happy till their employer has to let them go because they can't afford the wage. Economy suffers and the left blames capitalism. Every form of gibs has resulted in this pattern. Most every form of govt regulation of business has resulted in monopolies for the large corps and death of small business.
>>
>>136365279
Call me what you will, but it seems to be working pretty well. I just started a new job recently after being laid off and I've already got a promotion lined up in like the first 3 months. The money and skills I gained were an asset. It was an equivalent exchange. Shit happens, stop complaining and take control of your own life.
>>
>>136359707
i study alot of econocmics and politics. wages have been stagnate since the 1970s. so people are making the same amount of money from 1970s. thus a increase in min wage would be a NET BENEFIT
>>
>>136359707
I dunno there was a study not too long ago where it had negative effect in literally every industry except restaurants. Kids want McDonald's to be a career.
>>
>>136363997
The argument is against a minimum wage period. Allow employers to evaluate and pay employees based on their capability. More people are employed. People don't want to develop skills that will make them more valuable they just want gibs.
>>
>>136359707
I refuse to work for anything less then $15, but thats a little different. If every shitshifter was getting $15 I'd need to be making $25.
>>
File: 1488124579743.png (120KB, 644x598px) Image search: [Google]
1488124579743.png
120KB, 644x598px
>>136366200
Yes but from studying economics and politics you've come to the conclusion that communism is the answer, which means your opinion on anything relating to economics is invalid.
>>
I identify as a 2spirit. I demand $30 per hour for mopping floors!
>>
>$7.25 minimum wage was set in 90's
>meanwhile dollar value has inflated every year since then
You stupid fucks really enjoy being cucked by Walmart don't you?
>>
>>136364245
These are also the kind of jobs being antagonized by illegal immigration.
>>
>>136363997
There shouldn't be a minimum wage to begin with.
>>
>>136366540
greed doesnt work out well with communism we get it
>>
>>136359707
I just want to point out that presumably you've lived in America your entire life, but you don't know that the dollar sign goes before the number.

Jesus Christ.
>>
>>136361288
It must suck to need your wages doubled to be able to afford living with a shitty job. Can't wait for best korea to nuke every last one of you homos.
>>
File: 1483575429510.jpg (26KB, 480x466px) Image search: [Google]
1483575429510.jpg
26KB, 480x466px
>>136366704
Walmart pays $13.38 for full time workers and $10.58 for part time.
Keep believing everything leftist commies feed into your brain
>>
>>136366540
nah. i know whats going down in the real world. i know people who worked they asses off working min wage and goin to school. most of them end up in worse shape. the ones that i respect on teh dudes that hustle on the side and sell dope and make it how they live. if you aint born rich you gonna struggle. i have people holdin it down from teh inside rite now and struggling. when they get out of jail they gonna go back to dealing dope. sorry but min wage needs to increase so POC can eat. but wtf do i know right? i only read 4 economic books and watch economic videos on youtube

btw your meme is lame just like you

pussy

drops mic
>>
>>136366704
Unskilled labor will always be the lowest paid. Less people will be employed after a minimum wage increase. Reduction of the unskilled labor pool will have more effect. Combining the two might be a win win.
>>
File: 1501847104909.jpg (29KB, 491x404px) Image search: [Google]
1501847104909.jpg
29KB, 491x404px
>>136359777
>>
>>136367219
HOLY SHIT. you have no idea wtf you are talking about .. im gonna send you post to my hisory professor so he can get a good laugh.
>>
>>136367200
Are you trying to make the argument that niggers should be gassed? I thought you were a commie, not a fashy.
>>
>>136365279
>Boot Licker.
>Half the office is having their jobs outsourced to India, but you Jim, don't complain! And I like that. You can train them before you are laid off.
>Aaaarrrgg ye be lickin' my peg-leg.

>Ye be lookin' fer doubloons are ye? Come back wi' me an' I'll give ye reddit gold! Ur else I have ye keelhauled an' walk th' plank!
>>
>>136367219
>>136367149
>pays their workers shit while the government subsidizes their wages with EBT cards which get spent right back at Walmart
Jesus Christ this country is full of idiots. And yet you still have the nerve to wonder why the Jews control you
>>
>>136367200
> i know people who worked they asses off working min wage and goin to school.
But have you?

>sorry but min wage needs to increase so POC can eat.
People of color aren't automatically low wage workers. Quit being a racist

> i only read 4 economic books and watch economic videos on youtube
You obviously missed the explanation of 3rd party payer. That is why the government is never very good at anything it is asked to do.
>>
>>136360578
Well the problem is that leftists are fucking retards and will always find some retard reasons to deny the reality.
>>
>>136359707

I showed my power level to my GM last night and tried to explain basic economics to him (Chicago's minimum wage just went up to 11). Not sure how he took it, but I'm positive the owner would agree.
>>
>>136367326
>im gonna send you post to my hisory professor so he can get a good laugh.
Waiting....
>>
File: durrrrrr.jpg (56KB, 223x344px) Image search: [Google]
durrrrrr.jpg
56KB, 223x344px
>Companies shouldn't have to pay their workers a living wage
>Instead the government should use tax money to give the workers EBT and housing subsidies to compensate for the companies not paying a livable wage

Do you guys who are against raising the minimum wage realize this? Anyone who works full time should get paid a living wage.
>>
>Complaining about $15
>Mexico's is $3.90
>We are currently on a Free Trade Agreement

But thats okay, you guys need some workforce :^)

Fuck you burgers.
>>
>>136359707
Not an argument
Sage
>>
File: VW.jpg (194KB, 1004x1305px) Image search: [Google]
VW.jpg
194KB, 1004x1305px
>>136367326
>flake fag fakes flag
>im gonna send you post to my hisory professor so he can get a good laugh.
This is bait, right?
>my hisory (sic) professor
>my city college liberal arts professor
>>
>>136367877
Things are also 500x cheaper in Mexico.

We don't want you over here, the more Mexicans and immigrants that come to America, the lower the wages, because we then have a surplus of workers willing to work for nothing.
>>
>>136367877
>Mexico's minimum wage is now over 50% of the minimum in my home state
Holy shit, how did you guys catch up so quickly?
>>
>>136359707
I support our new robot working class.
>>
>>136359707
>/pol/ 15$ minimum wage. How can people be so fucking stupid? HOW? I just can't...


The problem is that we have a inflationary system, instead of a deflationary one.

Even a 0.01 dollar minimum wage will fail
>>
>>136365114
Or just check the flag. Mr $suckmydick
>>
>>136367455
>EBT cards which get spent right back at Walmart
Welfare has been destroying families since it was implemented. Families are used to build wealth.

Our government is supposed to be breaking up monopolies, but every time we ask them to regulate things they end up creating monopolies. Minimum wage attacks small business. Walmart is the result.
>>
>>136362837
>Minimal wage=Marxism.

Some times I don't know if you are dumb or just dishonest.
>>
>>136368019
>500x cheaper
Not really, make the reasearch and do the math, minimum wage is Mexico is enough to barely survive as a homeless.

And we don't want our people there being treated like slaves, lets end NAFTA please.
>>
>>136367750
Those of us who are against minimum wage increase also want to cut EBT and housing subsidies completely.
>>
>>136367877
Cost of living in an area is a factor. Cost of living in Jackson, MS is very diff from San Francisco, CA. Same goes for US and Mexico.
>>
>>136360374
>I doubt any of them have the brain power to think like that. It's more than likely an unattended consequence, much like getting their hours cut.
Not saying he is right, but they have research institutes.


Also they are not dumb (at least not the higher ups), if your father tell "you should go to school everyday because santa claus will give you nintendo switch if you do so", this father is not stupid "for believing at santa claus", this because he doenst believe at it, if you try to discuss santa claus with him, he will say stupid bullshit and contradict himself because he is trying to fucking explain a lie, something you dont believe at, how the hell do you do that?
>>
>>136359707
I agree, a higher minimum wage is not the answer. Universal basic income is.
>>
>>136359707
Depends on the area. A $15 minimum wage makes sense in NYC for example, but it's terrible for Upstate NY.
>>
>>136359707
Agreed. It is retarded to move it up about $8 in the blink if an eye. It hurts small businesses who all of a sudden can't afford shit.
However, moving it up slowly is a viable solution. For example, move it up from $7.25 to $8.50 by the end of the year, $10 by end of next, and move it up more if necessary to keep up with inflation. That way, people can actually afford their employees, and people with new spending money give said businesses more customers.
>>
>>136368229
> lets end NAFTA please.
Agreed
>>
>>136359707
You had $15 minimum wage about a century ago, adjusted for inflation. You're literally earning less while the jews are getting richer.
>>
>>136359961
This is the most retarded conservatard argument against thr minimum wage I've ever seen.
>>
>>136368261
Do you think millions of people would literally starve to death or be homeless without any sort of societal repercussion?

Do you think there would be no repercussions to you?

There will even be repercussions in the after life for wealthy people like you.
>>
>>136360889
Removes costs to business for discriminatory hiring practices.

Let's say people really did pay women 75c on the dollar.

Now, you have to pay someone $15 minimum wage regardless of your bias, you can freely hire only men with no added cost.

It also makes low skilled workers (women) lose their ability to leverage their wage if their skills are subpar (they are).
>>
>>136368467
>a higher minimum wage is not the answer. Universal basic income is.
No sweetie. Socialism is the reason our free market is faltering.
>>
>>136363243
This
>>
>>136359707
It's the wrong argument to make for a very real problem.
>>
>>136363997
Why do you hate low-skill laborers so much, specifically the youth?
>>
>>136368467
Fuck off with your socialist star trek bullshit. You know damn well half the population would make do with that and nothing would get done.
>>
>>136359707
Why do you don't like the idea of 15$/hr?
>>
>>136359707
>How can people be so fucking stupid?
They literally understand nothing about economics. They really, honestly believe that if the low-end workers are paid more, the prices of everything in society won't increase to rebalance against it.
>>
>>136368666
The minimum was higher in the 60's adjusted for inflation though.
>>
>>136368568
No one thinks there wouldn't be repercussions, but that's expected when you attempt to remove the teat from mouths that are conditioned to suckle.
>>
>>136368568
Welfare has been destroying families and dragging down the free market since it was implemented. We had less poverty before welfare.
>>
>>136361071
you sell out and buy a boat.
'sorry, fellow shop-a-doodle employees. we can't afford to operate with the new m/w law. we'll be closing in two weeks time, for good. you will be paid in full for the time that you work in accordance with the new law and reimbursed for any PTO you've accrued. thank you for your service and good luck - it's tough out there.'

then you buy a boat.
>>
>>136368945
Nah. It dropped from 25% to 15% when Johnson did his Great Society. It's been stuck there ever since though.
>>
File: 1484365140059.jpg (911KB, 1515x2079px) Image search: [Google]
1484365140059.jpg
911KB, 1515x2079px
>>136367750
>Anyone who works full time should get paid a living wage.
No they shouldn't. It's not the government's job to ensure a living wage. It's not the companies' job to ensure a living wage. The country was stronger and its people happier before either of these utopian premises arose. Move to Venezuela.
>>
>>136368573
Equal pay for equal work is enforced by law.
There is actually a bias toward highering women.

MSM has convinced women they are worth less than men so they don't negotiate for higher pay. This is resulting in wages being driven down for everybody. I wonder who benefits?
>>
>>136359707
don't woory about it. when the robots come and you get fired for the last time, you won't even be a ble to finda job period, let alone one for "muh $15 barely livable wage". THEN you will have my permission to die.
>>
>>136369175
Yeah when children had to work in factories to help support their families people were definitely happier

It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. A minimum wage hike doesn't mean Venezuela.
>>
>>136368568
>repercussions in the after life
top kek

And i'm not rich, If I was rich it wouldn't be that big a deal to loose a portion of my paycheck. It's my job as a man to feed my own family, not everyone elses.
Why do you need to take a portion of every dollar I make at gunpoint to feed the poor? You seem to be religious, if you care about the poor so much, YOUR going to be the one that helps them. Churches do charity work all the time. Most people will help you out if you ask nicely and don't hold a fucking gun to their head. If you care so much, you will do something.
>>
>>136369126
>Nah. It dropped from 25% to 15% when Johnson did his Great Society. It's been stuck there ever since though.
You have a source for this?
>>
>>136369353
I worked to help my family from about age 10.
>>
File: original.jpg (56KB, 679x422px) Image search: [Google]
original.jpg
56KB, 679x422px
>>136369820
Of course those are rough numbers. You just have to search the poverty rate.

I'm against welfare btw. It's a simple fix to a more systemic problem.
>>
>>136369931
Doing what? Helping your dad out at the family store isn't exactly the same thing as what I was saying.
>>
>>136369978
Our welfare programs were implemented in the 30s not the 60s.

>I'm against welfare btw. It's a simple fix to a more systemic problem.
I personally don't think we should eliminate all welfare, but letting women effectively marry the state is a huge problem that is destroying families. Families are for building wealth.
>>
File: 1493804392397.gif (360KB, 2420x933px) Image search: [Google]
1493804392397.gif
360KB, 2420x933px
>>136369978
>The great Society lowered the poverty rate from 25% to 15%
>Here, look at this chart that says it never budged from 15%
Genius!
>>
>>136369738
I can't because I'm poor too.
>>
>>136370051
Helping chop and sell firewood and horse manure. Mowing lawns and other landscaping.
>>
File: minimum.png (462KB, 948x949px) Image search: [Google]
minimum.png
462KB, 948x949px
>>136368666
>666
Nice work satan. I see your fake american flag and raise you this picture
>>
>>136368573
>>136369336

Women enttering the work force is the whole reason were in a mess to begin with. You can't just double your workforce over night and not expect it to have lasting repercussions. Remember that supply and demand thing someone already mentioned? Too many unskilled worker, and not enough jobs? Sure immgrants and oursorusing are a huge problem too, but it's all this combined tother that creates the shitshow.
There's a reason it now takes two people working now to support a family on average income, or to get a decent apartment you need to have a roomate. This is what happens when you double the supply of workers.
>>
>>136359707
my buddy is trained tradie apprentice and gets 15 an hour. What happens when the fast food people get bumped up? Does he have to be moved up to 20 or something?
>>
>>136370499
If they are working for a small business they will end up unemployed. Small business will have to close. Walmart wins.
>>
>>136370408
Exactly. So how about the people abusing government gibs get a fucking job and support themselves? If you remove gibs they would have no other choice but to starve and go homeless. And churches and charities and even in today's world provide food and shelters to the homeless.
>>
Remember that the same people believe we should welcome in third worlders freely under the unwritten assumption that they will take up some jobs for well below minimum wage. Basically, they think they can secure themselves an economic safety net of $15/hour for the worst job they could possibly get, and this won't cause any problems in society because 1) they assume most business in America is massive corporations who can and will pay workers $15+/hour, and 2) society will adjust for this by filling in jobs that can't afford to pay that much by hiring illegal ("undocumented") immigrants.
>>
>>136371072
>how about the people abusing government gibs get a fucking job and support themselves?

When they do get jobs, they don't get paid a living wage, and still have to get welfare. Most people who receive welfare are employed

YOU FUCKING MORON, you're giving reasons to support raising the minimum wage.
>>
>>136364416
general manager
manager of nothing in particular
kek
>>
>>136359707
It works here for some reason. It's been around 15$ in modern bux for a while and we have no unemployment. Does it not make sense to slightly subsidize the least well off so they can have more opportunities to rise in economic status and create more value? It doesn't work if there is no culture of contributing to the greater good but if you have no such ideals left you aren't really a nation, just a group of people trying to exploit each other in a framework imposed by the state through violence.
>>
>>136360491
Lies on a Tibetan yak milking forum
>>
>>136361071
>raise your prices to compensate
>b-b-but Wal-Mart will bleed me
They're already bleeding you just like everybody else. Now that poor people have more money you'll sell more of your cheesy wares. Your business will grow and kikes will lose power.
>>
>>136366200
Hahahaha fucking retard. wages have been stagnant since 1970 so increasing mim wage is the answer? Communists are so dumb I swear thinking that one thing will fix our problems.
>>
I don't understand, why do people (especially low skilled people) want the government to tell them "Hey, bud, if you can't get a job that's at least $15/hr, you're not gonna have a job". I honestly don't.

Look, I get the virtue signaling we need to give more money to the poor yadda yadda... But how's raising the bar to get hired gonna achieve that?
Thread posts: 147
Thread images: 20


[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / bant / biz / c / can / cgl / ck / cm / co / cock / d / diy / e / fa / fap / fit / fitlit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mlpol / mo / mtv / mu / n / news / o / out / outsoc / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / spa / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vint / vip / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Search | Top | Home]

I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


If you need a post removed click on it's [Report] button and follow the instruction.
DMCA Content Takedown via dmca.com
All images are hosted on imgur.com.
If you like this website please support us by donating with Bitcoins at 16mKtbZiwW52BLkibtCr8jUg2KVUMTxVQ5
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties.
Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the content originated from that site.
This means that RandomArchive shows their content, archived.
If you need information for a Poster - contact them.