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>unions
>2017
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>>136356486
>Workers vote for subservience to their corporate masters
Yeah, so fucking based
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>>136356486
http://archive.is/eUElz
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BASED NIGS
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>>136356859
>Workers vote to cut out a useless entity in the modern workforce that only leads to animosity between staff and corporate leadership, offers no tangible benefits and forces them to pay dues for little to no return
FTFY
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>>136356859
its called right to work . why join a union i get held hostage if the union bosses feel as they are not getting all the money they want then im fucked no thanks
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>>136357345
>>136357391
This is what corporate serfs actually believe.
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>>136356486
>michigan
>GM plant non-union starting wage 14/hr
>same starting wage as 1970
I am against unions but still wtf
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>>136357694
What are robots and (((free trade)))
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>>136356486
pretty sure bernie sanders came down here trying to push this shit. you can imagine what kind of impression this might have made on a bunch of rednecks
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>>136358233
Hopefully they fire everyone in that picture. Although I bet they are flown in profession agitators.
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>>136358463
>Everyone I disagree with is a 'professional agitator'
Curious, but do you fap in front of a mirror?
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>>136356486
/pol/ is redpilled on a lot of things but the union hate is retarded.

Why do you think Johnny Monoxide and Bulbasaur haven't been fired from their jobs even after it came to light they are full 14/88?

Their unions wont allow it.
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>>136359179
Unions take your dues and donate them to the democratic party, who enact laws that force you to pay your dues...
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>>136356486
just a quick reminder that thanks to democrat immigration policies, unions have absolutely no power now.

>>136357391
thats actually elegantly solved by switching to another private union.
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>>136359657

That's the usual case, but I remember Trump was endorsed by the coal unions. Aside from that though there should just be legislation that forbids unions from making political donations, I know that' what paleocons like Pat Buchanan suggested
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Unions also won't allow workers being rewarded for individual input, terminating bad workers, individual promotions and overtime, etc.

Two fuckers not being fired in spite of 1488 is nothing compared to keeping a host of bad workers because they're diverse.
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Probably because Nissan said, "Look, nigger, Canton is a shithole. You nigs are lucky we let you build these trucks. Keep talking this union shit and you can go back to playing basketball and rapping while we move this shit to Alabama".
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>>136360090
The slave mindset is pretty deeply ingrained even after all these years.
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>>136360413
More than likely because MS is a shithole with the exception of a few places. I can't think of any real economic opportunities except working at the casinos north of there or maybe going to Jackson and working for the state.
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True, though the idea of coerced working conditions through the lack of viable economic alternatives is what some classical libertarian philosophers might classify as a form of 'wage slavery'.
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>>136362129
Yes, and the solution to that is to automate everything so there are no jobs left.
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>>136356486
Mississsippi fag here. The general opinion among the workers at Nissan is this:

If we unionize, the plant will close down within 5 years.
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>>136362577
I don't know if that can be considered a 'solution', it's just an inevitability and people need to decide how they're going to deal with it. Even mass traditional unionisation will be of limited help there.
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>>136362850
Heighten the contradictions and it will hasten the resolution.

Most likely, we will just follow the George Guidestones.
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unions ruined australia.
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>>136356486
AWOO AWOO AWOO

Unions only reduce the amount of employment in a given area.
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we have several nissan plants in tennessee, even corporate offices are here.
one plant has been here over 30 years and is still pumping out non-union vehicles.
gm built the saturn plant here, over 5bn $, as soon as the uaw got back in the plant basically shut down.
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Redpill me on unions. Are they anti corporate or lazy fuck enablers?
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>>136362643
if your getting paid fair wages and treated well, then theres no need to unionize. idk what the situation is though
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>>136363335
I live in Smyrna where one of those Nissan plants is located.

I worked at Bridgestone/Firestone both at the Laverne and Mcmeinville plants.
Bridgestone is one step from shutting down, it's been union for years and they suffer greatly because of it.
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>>136359657
Unions allow workers to work in their own interests against owners.

If you are a worker, that is: someone pays you, and you don't want unionization you are acting against your own interests.You think like the boss to better their position instead of your own.

Being an anti-union worker is akin to saying "I don't want my boss to be responsible for workers (me) because I plan to be a boss one day"
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Not necessarily against the idea of unions, but they're outmoded today, unless Trump cracks down on illegal immigration and undoes NAFTA and/or imposes tariffs on foreign goods. The balance of power is just too far shifted against unions for them to really be feasible.
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>>136358233
white woman in the front and center as usual
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>>136356859
Leftie fags btfo hahahahahahaha
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>>136357513
Unions serve a purpose, but it would be much better if all existing unions (sans trade unions) were dissolved and reformed.
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Right to work is shite, once the unions are starved out due to parasitical employees enjoying benefits while not paying dues, the companies will slash wages and bennies and a good place to work won't be good anymore.
It is possible to be both conservative and pro-union.
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>>136365500
>Waaaahhhhh! Why cant I force someone to join my union? How dare the boss and new employee agree to work a certain wage.YOU CANT DO THAT. YOU NEED A UNION TO NEGOTIATE FOR U
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AFL-CIO is trying to get me to join them. They pushed a bunch of coupons and discount price stuff on me to join and made a whole bunch of promises. I chose not to join, I said I would just leave the company if things got bad.
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>>136356486
Local 3 Ibew member here

Literally cannot wait for all unions to crash and burn.

All members are blue pilled and deserve no where near a six figure salary
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>>136363746
Little of both. Mostly the latter.
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Check out the Chrysler union scandal that's developing. Union bosses embezzled hundreds of millions.
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>>136356486
Union greed destroyed Detroit. Auto workers don't want to make the same mistake twice.
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>>136367565

This. I come from a Chrysler town and unions absolutely killed the calf. Degenerate rednecks literally making 100k ca 2000 to drive a forklift.
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>>136358233
jews agitating blacks in the South for their marxist or financial agendas has been going on for 150 years.
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>>136356486
>unions
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>I'm union because I care about good blue collar jobs
>votes democrat

Why are unionfags so bluepilled
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>>136356486
>Gimme gimme gimme more more more!
Then they wonder why their auto manufacturing jobs move to Mexico.
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>>136356486
i know a union worker that says he just reads his union contract looking for ways to get out of work or file a grievance
i am not even exaggerating either
union workers are the blacks of blue collar labor
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>>136366726

I also forgot, the other reason I won't join AFL-CIO is the fact that there are way too many niggers. They had some niggress try and recruit people and the only people she got was other nigs.
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fuck yes, another win for the (((corporations)))

we're almost there guys, we can do it
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>democrats want regulation out the ass on big business AND want unions literally EVERYWHERE
LOL get fucked
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>>136359995
>Unions also won't allow workers being rewarded for individual input, terminating bad workers, individual promotions and overtime, etc
This.

Want to know why Bombardier performs poorly? Union. They cost the company billions a year.
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>>136365253
>>136366804
This current unions are fucking corrupt and useless. Unions were put in place to defend workers but at this point and time they only act as a parasitic middleman that does nothing but leeching union dues from your paycheck.

If modern day unions ACTUALLY FUCKING CARED ABOUT THEIR WORKERS THEY WOULDNT HAVE ALL PUSHED FOR OBAMACARE.
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>>136365253
Unions served a purpose when people were treated like shit, wages were low, and employees were treated like literal plantation slaves ("company store"). Fast forward to the 1960's when the mafia and politcal establishments abused the union to help launder money for these criminal organizations and the Democratic party. GM was the first American company crushed by unions. Pension liabilities and the like became too much for a company like GM to bear, and eventually they ran out of cash and went essentially bankrupt. I am from a small town in Indiana (Anderson). Anderson used to be a great place to live. GM was the primary employer and the average income for a family was around 65k. Then came the unions whining about everything. Then came the Japanese automakers that made a decent product without all the overhead. Then came NAFTA, allowing GM to close these local factories and move them to Mexico and Brazil. Then came the pension liabilities for the unions that crushed an already weakened GM. The higher ups in the plants all knew this was coming, as GM only had so much in liquid assets to cover their obligations to the unions (this was in 99), but couldn't get off the union to because the Democratic party in Madison county was utterly dependent on their money to fund their political campaigns. Fast forward to now. Anderson is a complete shit hole. Most people with any sense moved to Noblesville or Fishers. The plants (GM, Delphi, Guide Lamp, DRA) are all bulldozed and gone. The population has dropped off by over 30k people. The average income is now 35k per family. The city has to spend millions in infrastructure to bring in a Nestle plant that was supposed to employ 3000 people at a wage of 15+ per hour, but instead employs 300 at a base wage of 11.50 per hour. I wish that fat tub of lad Michael Moore would come back a visit to see what a shit hole his idea of a union Utopia has turned Anderson Indiana into.
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I find it pretty hilarious that Democrat pushed through NAFTA, which COMPLETELY gutted union power. You cannot have a union succeed in any industry where it's possible to just pick up the plant and move it to a non-union country where nobody has to put up with your bullshit demands any longer.

The only places unions survive still are teachers and government employees.
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>>136356486
>workers
But I only see one protestor. Here's a better use for that "s":

S
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>be a good worker
>put in extra 10% effort in work
>get rewarded by getting paied less than the mentally handicapped on the other side of the factory who can only be trusted with stacking boxes and regularly gets sent home early because he shits his pants simply because he has been there longer and has paied enough union dues
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>>136357116
>http://archive.is/eUElz

I'm amazed we didn't need our lord and savoir Norwegian Archive Poster.


You gain:

+10xp
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all these fucking union haters in this thread need to shut the fuck up if you actually aren't working in a sector that isn't predominately dominated by union shops (electricians, engineers, warehousing, production, plumbers, etc etc). shut the fuck up. not all unions are fucking dishonest but all of them are mafias, it's no different from any other racket. It's true. They have power and if you're in a better union they'll let you use it when it's your time.
Yes, I can see the fact that unions detract from the individual worker as well, because some guys are bound to be lazier slackers, but I can also imagine a modern world without (some of the good) unions and it looks shitty.
If your rep is shitty expect to get fucked, we used to work consecutive weeks(2) at a company with no doubletime compensation, and a regular six day work week(>10hr days).
You pussies never worked like that, which brings me to my point of shutting the fuck up
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Could it be any more obvious that (((pol))) is a GOP establishment billionaire globalist shill board?
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>>136369392

>Not all
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>>136356859
So be subservient to some commie collective who skims off the top instead?
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>>136369392

Except unions have literally killed entire sectors of our economy.
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please redpill me on this im confused
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>>136369632
Those were the weak sectors, you are stronger without them.
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>>136369632
Conservashits tell me the free market knows best

Free market shipped conservashits jobs overseas

Really makes me think.
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>>136359752
>THEY WEREN"T A REAL UNION
>WE JUST HAVE TO TRY UNIONS MY WAY

where have i ever heard this line of rational before?
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>>136369632
Where is your proof, otherwise you are talking out of your ass
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>>136369557
People starting to realize that now? Yeah, the shills are so fucking obvious.
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>>136369819
DETROIT
TWINKIES
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>>136369869
No I've been saying it for a long time.
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>>136369392
>working 10+ hours a day is tough
Nigger shut up lol. I've worked jobs that were 12 hours a day 6 a week.
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>>136369557
>Left hand scale 10-30%
>Right hand scale 44-54%

REEEEEEE
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>>136357513
Wow you sure showed him with that impeccable, fact-driven comeback.
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>>136369939
>>136369392
or you know be in military and your work never fucking ends and you get paied like shit
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>>136369557

More like a Mongolian Nudist Paragliding Forum
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>>136364526
>you are acting against your own interests

Hello democrat
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Unions did such a great job keeping domestic automakers and Detroit competitive with the Japanese, I just can't imagine why these people would reject the UAW.
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>>136366804
I was in a union for a few years. The people who worked there actually mad money while I made less than 35K a year. They didn't give half a shit about me and I was a good employee. Told me I had to wait 4 years to get a real raise because of "The Pay-ladder" and that the union and company signed in the middle of the night. Most corrupt union I have ever seen.
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>>136356859
>this is what leftypol actually believes

Holy shit
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>>136370021
Are you implying that the other two posters were making verifiable evidence-backed statements?
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>>136356486
>80% nigger workers
>whites are all high up in hierarchy
I guess niggers are just too damn stupid to understand why they might need union
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>>136363746
>someone else gets capital together
>uses it to build some means of production
>hires people to man the operations, FOR PAY
>invited guests band together and start a labor racket
>YOU DIDNT BUILD THAT
>plant moves to chyna
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>>136369819

Did you not pay attention to the US auto industry?
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>>136356486
Did they vote against union or against UAW mobsters?
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>>136370154
It's a Tibetan Scull-stacking forum
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>>136358233
Im going out on a limb here. Maybe none of them have a job.
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>>136370314
You mean the people that made inferior cars?
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>>136370340
Both. Plus the Chinese cars are coming to employee Americans, so no need for unions with that much competition for employees.
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>We're going to fight for your interests and protect you from your boss.
>Now pay us or you're fired.
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>>136370314
Except the auto biz is still in biz.

Nothing killed
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>>136370178
Reagan dedicated his presidency to killing the unions and shipping jobs overseas.

That's why Republicans worship him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2zLt-tdf1M
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>>136363746
The only way they work is by exploiting the scarcity of labour
>Strikes cause plant shutdowns
>Plant shutdowns lose money (lots)
>Therefore plant owners are incentivised to avoid shutdowns by paying attention to union demands

This is all fine and dandy in a restricted labour market, but NAFTA basically allows plant owners to build wherever the fuck they want - and guess what, they build where there's not the hassle of unionized labour.
In the US, unions are a protection racket without the protections.
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>>136370379
All of those people actually work for the union. Last place I worked at; every union employee was black. They all made like 60K while we made 30K
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>>136370314
The one Obama saved?
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>>136357818
more like what are niggers and mass immigration
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>>136370500

Yes I hear Detroit is flourishing.
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>>136369961
fucking sneaky jews
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>>136363335

Yea, Saturn is a story of why you don't do unions.

>be a unique car company
>make a really good product for years
>pisses off GM and the Auto Union
>they collude to get unions into the company
>Company goes to hell and dies off
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>>136370594
wtf i love nafta now!

12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420
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>>136370507
>Reagan dedicated his presidency to killing the unions
That's why he was one of the best presidents we ever had. Union leaders should be tortured to death on national TV.
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>>136370767
And here's the archive
https://archive.is/gpABD
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>>136370696
Yes I hear Mississippi is flourishing
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>Poor southerners cucking themselves to the economic elite since 1860.

Hope they enjoy their low pay and minimal benefits.
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>>136370507
this kills unions
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>>136369590
I'm not gonna lie we all know it's true.
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>>136356486
>nissan
I regret ever buying one of their fucking pieces of shit.Does nothing but cut off for no reason, if you can guess what car it is you get extra points.
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>>136370594
Unions work through government enablement of their bullshit
You don't "Strike" in a free market because they will just fire you

However in government protected Union world, they can block entry to the business... Unions are largely a fucking disaster, and these nutty leftists have destroyed whole industries..
Once upon a time unions were a somewhat right wing concept that protected white workers, but that ended long ago.
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>>136356859
Maybe they don't want to pay dues to what has become nothing more than a political organization or a mafia that cares more about advancing the agenda of the union bosses rather than actually helping the workers.
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>>136370594

You're the only one in this thread that gets it. Unions became such massive parasites that we had to completely restructure our economy to get around them.

You can also thank greedy unions for the outsourcing of jobs and the shitskin invasions.
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>>136370793
>t. billionaire globalist shill
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>>136370858
Hondas are better to be honest.
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>>136370755
Saturn was the best. In second grade my class all made wooden toy cars, and wrote letters to every big car company asking about their cars and including pictures, and only Saturn responded. They sent us a poster and some little toy balls, I still have mine to this day. I remember that day I decided I was going to have a Saturn car when I grew up. RIP
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>>136370767
Filthy democrats helping the shitskins.

Why did they signed that?
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>>136370696
It's actually improving a lot. It was 90% niggers at one point, but now many of them left the city. It was so bad even the criminals were moving away. Detroit can actually be rebuilt within 20 years if we keep Libs and neocons out of office.
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>>136370833
then they get mad that the blue, liberal coastal areas are thriving

you can't make this shit up
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>>136370826

What does that even mean? That's one of the most nigged states.
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>>136370858
LEAF
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>>136357513
let's ask the proud free UAW in Detroit how they're enjoying life? oh wait, they're all fired because only a few factories are left
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>>136370987
Pretty much.
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>>136356859
>workers don't want to join the actual mafia
FTFY
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>>136370944
For a commie you're right.Hondas are the most durable machines out there.
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>>136370962
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>>136356859
>giving 15%+ of your wages to a (((union))) like the good little goy you are
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>>136370880
>Paying their dues
Wow, such a fucking cuckold ideology.

Do you honestly think that most of corporate oligarchs who run these things paid any dues?
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>>136370922
>the star
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>>136356859
Every union fag should listen to this -
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/561/nummi-2015
Even (((NPR))) can't disguise the fact that American auto unions are cancerous and will do everything conceivable to make themselves redundant.

Unions can do important shit, but all to often they're just a legal mob extorting money out of struggling businesses.
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>>136370947
Too many big companies refuse to answer the little person anymore. You can barely get any human response at all. Let alone get a human response for a bunch of school kids. It's sad.
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>>136358463
>>136358887
They are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DN4NIg4o_o
And before any of you start crying leftist kekistany, etc, etc, etc, that only adds to the point.
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>>136371067
they "mock" Seattle $15/hour min wage while they work for peanuts and obey their corporate masters
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>>136370767
Except it was Clinton who signed the actual binding NAFTA bill.
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>>136370858
>not checking the consumer reliability reports before buying a car
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>>136371138
Yeah, I listened to that one. The bigger problems were the executives and leadership at GM who were lazy conservative fucks who couldn't be bothered to innovate at a time when Japanese automakers were overtaking them.
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Unions are shit now anyways.
>join Union under new bargaining contract that protects the boomer and gen X workers by double locking pensions but slashes new worker wages
>starting wage of 1/2 what a starting worker would make 10 years ago
>no guaranteed pension, no guaranteed raises, first ones out when automation inevitably makes you redundant
Unions are boomer gibme protection rackets and nothing more. It's sad that greed is the only thing that can counter greed and even that doesn't work forever.
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>>136370755
They're trying to do that to Tesla now I believe.
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>>136370987
i heard $30 an hour barely gets you a 1 bedroom apartment in coastal areas
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>>136371262
NAFTA was already a done deal when Clinton came to office.

Reagan/Bush spent years negotiating and completing NAFTA.


12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420
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>>136371254

>I don't understand what 15 an hour does to a small business because I've never had a job: the post
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>>136371406
It was not a done deal. It was signed by Clinton.
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>>136371320
this

but all (((pol)) does is suck corporate executive cock all day

even tho all they do is ship american jobs overseas
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>>136371254
15$ an hour min wage destroys jobs. You do that and McDonalds will just fire half their crew and make self order robots.
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Top kek, my dad's union
>fees every month for nothing
>health insurance plan that costs $400 per month with a $12k deductible, has to pay for it even if he doesnt use it to subsidize other workers

It's basically how democrats are part of the elite corporate cabal despite having support from the most lowly people
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>>136370755
Saturn was a GM subsidiary.

Do u right wing retards just make shit up?

Don't u have any embarrassment when I can look this shit up in 2 seconds?
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>>136356486
being required to join a union is tyranny.
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>>136371429
They increase their prices by 50% and many of them will likely go out of business.
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>>136371487
Nice try corporate shill. Seattle employment is booming.
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>>136371486
>people think this is how businesses operate.

no wonder lefties are poor, you guys are retarded.
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>>136371604
lol you completely missed the point, likely because you have no idea what you're talking about
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>>136368231
Me to. I work with him.
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>>136366330
Unions are colluding with government (in particular, state governments) and promising public workers unsustainable pension benefits. When these states go bankrupt, it will be the union bosses held accountable, not the long gone politicians.
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>>136371476
It was a done deal.

12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420

Once again, the worst attack against Democrats is that we didn't undo stupid shit u retards did

Why did Republicans spend years negotiating and completing NAFTA?
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>>136358233
>niggers who don't do the job they're hired for fight for unions
>whites who go to work and do their job fight against union
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>>136371696
>this is because of the minimum wage

all this means is that Seattle is growing fast enough that it is outpacing the job losses. an enforced minimum age hurts the job market.

literally everyone agrees on this.
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>>136371780
Saturn was a GM subsidiary.

You retards are so fucking dumb.

>>pisses off GM and the Auto Union >>136370755

???
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>>136371824
>Generalization about group doing x
>Generalization about group doing y
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>>136371696
>infinite growth will last forever
obama leaf and his fake graphs again
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good
fuck the UAW scum, communist supporting faggots
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>>136371911
take 2 more seconds to read about the history of saturn my friend
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>>136371981
>reddit flag
opinion discarded
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>>136371902
Lol you corporate shills promised me job losses. You got btfo.

>literally everyone agrees on this.


Lol the only people who claim this are billionaire globalists who don't want to pay workers and their right wing servants
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>>136371696
Yeah yeah seems bullshit. Is this where you take out people who have stopped looking for work etc? Cite your source
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>>136371271
It was an early 2000's model, didn't really think about it at the time, just needed a car.
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>>136371696
From what ive heard their homless population is booming as well
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>>136359942
>That's the usual case, but I remember Trump was endorsed by the coal unions.
Considering how popular trump was/is with coal workers not endorsing him would have been financial suicide for the unions I imagine.
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>>136371986
The point was where are the job losses you corporate shills promised me?
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>>136372004
Saturn was a GM subsidiary. I already knew this actually, I just wanted to confirm.
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>>136356486
One look at this retarded, aggressive, fat fuck, nigger activist and you know you don't want anything to do with that union.
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>>136372013
>>136372104
obamaleaf with his fake graphs again
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>>136372045
the sources are cited.

you're a complete fucking retard


What does U4 measure?
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>>136372205
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>>136372206
obamaleaf with his fake graphs again
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>>136372012
>anon discards opinion over flag
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>>136357345
>offers no tangible benefits
Obviously you never worked in a field where an employeer will quietly remove your rights over time. I have. These people just signed away their rights as workers and signed up for less pay and benefits.....All because of scary unions.

t: Union Pipefitter.
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>>136370987
>thriving

oh you dumb leaf fags
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>>136372244
>reddit flag
leaf, poo, swede, or cuckman?
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>>136372053
2 million employed
3,000 homeless

wow
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>>136372152
You realize that saturn being part of gm does not refute a single thing about what he originally posted right? Like I said just read the history of the company.

Don't bother replying if you're just going to make another low effort post.
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>>136371359
>fresh out of high school
>work at local grocery store chain
>forced to join local union
>coworker is some old fart who i also assuming had some mental condition or something because he was literally incapable of talking to anyone without cursing them out
>moving around stock in the back one day and i suggest we move stuff over instead of doing it the way he wanted cause it would have been faster
>he responds "asshole ive been with this union for 20 fucking years i aint gotta listen to your fucking shit not move the fucking boxes"
>this asshole literally had a chair that he propped up in the stockroom and would just sit there for most of his fucking shift and whenever someone happened and we actually needed his help " all the kids that lasted in the store would just do their work and avoid the man at all costs" he would always be yelling and bitching like some fucking aspie fuck but he was a huge fucking kissass when upper management/owner was around and his word was fucking gold for them

But yeah i ended up walking off on him during a busy work day and last thing i heard from him was him cursing me out. I also imagine that people like him are commonplace in union controlled places
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>>136372205
>>136372241

>Calls something fake but can't explain why
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>>136372275
waaaaaaaaah

Get a real skill or start your own company, faggot.
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>>136372275
>t: Union Pipefitter.

based american

Wait till Trump replaces you with a foreign guest worker
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>>136364974
(((White)))
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>>136369778
There has never been a free market.
Why do you think those jobs got shipped overseas?
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>>136372381
>reddit flag
leaf, poo, swede, or cuckman?
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If you ever worknin a union environment it will make you at least partly anti-union. Generally a third of the employees are carrying all of the weight and the rest are overpaid losers, drunks, and louts. It is impossible to improve a business with a union because staff will just have to work better and they have no incentive to raise their standards. The positive side is real but that can easily be addressed by legislation. Just as we banned exploiting child labor and excess work hours we can also provide better protections for employees. Time off should be required, two or three weeks per year. Holiday work should pay a little extra. If you get fired you should receive severance ($2k per year employed pro-rated). If you want to keep employer health plan you should be able to until you get a new job, just paying the full amount without employer subsidy. Unemployment insurance should be largely paid by employee with some employer contribution, and be paid regardless of why you lost job until your account runs out. Do these things and unions are now completely unnecessary and the economy would greatly benefit. Nothing else needs to be regulated in terms of hiring harassment discrimination and that crap.
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>>136357694
That's a really good starting wage considering how fucking easy auto assembly jobs are
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>>136372327
It does refute what he said. You have no argument and u know it. Stop pretending.
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>>136372300
A real American:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZQwKVspiMA
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>>136372381
>right wing retards in a nutshell
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>>136369392
I literally work 10+ hours a day, 6-7 days a week for 3-4 months at a time.
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>>136372013
How many hours do they work?
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>>136371902
Yes fellow goy, Goldberg should be able to pay $1 a day if he so chooses!

How else will you compete with 3rd worlders after all? And what's so bad about sweatshops anyway?!
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>>136358233
>(((white woman))) in the middle.

Every.
Single.
Time.
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>>136372552
>reddit flag
leaf, poo, swede, or cuckman?
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>>136356859
>workers vote to be able to work instead of pricing themselves out of a dying market.
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>>136372104
Why are union cucks so fucking unaware of their surroundings? Every single one is so fucking strung along by union propaganda that they are disconnected with reality.
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>>136372566
t. Trudeau
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Left-wing unions are doomed
Left-wing politicians now support globalization and an endless influx of cheap labor to replace local workers and completely eliminate their rights

Any worker would have to be completely insane to support such a thing, it's suicide.

Unions will turn far-right very soon, it is inevitable.
Working class people do not even vote for left-wing parties anymore, it's the city-sheltered elites who do so now.
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Why the hell should I be obligated to pay a Union that doesn't give me any benefits money?

If it was actually an issue then why couldn't I just form my own union?
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>>136370507
Bigger the Teamsters backed Reagan

He used Tariffs to protect Harley-Davidson and I seem to recall other Tariffs
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>>136372433
Guest means they leave.
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>>136372575
he wouldnt be able too because nobody would work for that little. And if people did, fine thats on them.

Jesus christ dude its basic supply and demand.
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>>136372574
When unemployment is 2.5%, employers have to offer full time, higher wages, and better benefits.

I don't think u retards understand how the labor market works.

The thing your corporate masters hate more than anything is a tight labor market.

That's why they're shilling so hard against the success in Seattle.

inb4 debunked fake news corporate shill study

UW minimum-wage study doesn’t reflect reality of work in Seattle
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/

https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html
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>>136372480
>local union factory keeps trying to restructure and revamp their business model to try and increase productivity
>one thing they cant change is the union protected employees
>the one that that refuses to actually work is the union protected employees
>anyone new they hire normally ends up getting snitched on and written up/fired or just ends up quitting before they finish probation because the union protected employees just throw all the fucking workload on the new people.
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>>136367565
>Union greed destroyed Detroit. Auto workers don't want to make the same mistake twice.
The biggest problem wasn't so much the union but that the state is a collectively bargained state. This means that the Union has a literal monopoly on labor in a given segment. This is why you'd have people at Ford getting paid $30/hour to clean two toilets in a day because that was cheaper than letting them retire.

The power structure is different in a right to work state where a company can tell everyone to pound sand and hire a new workforce. The union is strong enough to push back against some company stupidity, but not so powerful that it can force the companies to make terrible choices just to do any kind of business.
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>>136372789
>When unemployment is 2.5%
>splitting one job into 3
obamaleaf with more fake graphs
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>>136372321
>number of towers being built = economic boom

Not necessarily Chicago has been shrinking for 40 years and it still has tall buildings go up all the time.
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>>136356859
>actually believing this
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>>136372771
>nobody would work for that little

They do all over the world, they did in America once too, people worked for that little back in the 30s in coal mines for example. Even children.
Infact they worked for less, they worked for scrip which was company currency that only would be taken at the company owned stores :)
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>>136372104
And yet St. Louis lowered their minimum wage to $7.70 and their unemployment is shrinking faster than ever, you stupid nigger. Wages have no correlation to unemployment rate, but you're the retard that jacks obongo off, so I can't expect you to use common sense
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>>136372719
>He used Tariffs to protect Harley-Davidson and I seem to recall other Tariffs

LOL WTF?

It's the complete opposite. Reagan wanted to drop tariffs on foreign motorcycles entering the US, Democrats wanted to protect American companies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI0DLdLwovU

Where do u guys get your information from? Holy shit.
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>>136372961
Not in the United states I dont give a fuck what people do in Bangladesh.
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>>136364526
>Unions allow workers to work in their own interests against owners.
That was the idea, yes.
I have nothing against colective barganing but in time as unions got bigger they also became political organizations, lobbying the government to pass laws not in favor for the workers but to reinforce the power of the unions (and their bosses) and making it hard to imposible to work without joining the unions... and paying your dues.
So it fucks the owner thus stiffling the growth and prosperity of the company (or even crippling it) and sucking off the workers.
You also have to remember that it makes it harder to start a company or may lead to its shutdown thus fucking over workers agian by depriving them of potential labor.
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>lets help the worker by encouraging mass immigration to take their jobs away
If there ever is some sort of communist revolution here then I can at least die happy that you all will hang first.
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>>136372863
>The union is strong enough to push back against some company stupidity, but not so powerful that it can force the companies to make terrible choices just to do any kind of business.

That's a fairly reasonable and ideal end goal to strive for but it seems like current policy goes to either extreme, albeit more anti-union measures than pro-union.
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>>136372789
None of that answered my question. Great, unemployment is down, but how many hours do those people work?
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>>136372631
>Every single one is so fucking strung along by union propaganda that they are disconnected with reality.
I make nearly double my non-union counterpart doing the exact same job. In addition to my fair wages, I also work for medical, dental vision, a pension and annuity...there is also 2 weeks yearly of vacation based on 40 hours/week....If I work more, I get more.

Why would I work scab for nearly half? Why would I want to fight with my employeer to just get to $20/hour with shitty benefits and a total junk "retirement" plan.

Yeah, no. I am organized, and don't mind paying dues. The market is booming, and anyone who can lay the pipe is needed.

Let me ask you this:

If supply and demand dictates your value, and there is an immense need for skilled labor, why would you take a job that pays less?

t: Union Pipefitter
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>>136372934
>>136372961
>>136372985
>reddit flag
leaf, poo, swede, or cuckman?
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>>136373084
>>136373087
>reddit flag
leaf, poo, swede, or cuckman?
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>>136372816
I can confirm construction unions workers are just as bad if not worse. Anyone else here who has worked in other industry with unions who suck?
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>>136372717
>Why the hell should I be obligated to pay a Union that doesn't give me any benefits money?
I pay less for my benefits for an entire family than most people pay for just themselves. Also, my plan is considered a "Cadillac plan" and is light years ahead of any ACA bullshit. Better benefits. Better retirement package. Better conditions of work.
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>>136371211
For sure. Just give us back the Volksgemeinschaft. We need a war
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>>136356486
Unions are what turned Detroit, one of the most prosperous US cities in the 1960s into the set of post-apocalyptic ruins that you see there today.
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>>136372879
>splitting one job into 3


right wing retards make up incredible things in your demented brains

this magical split never happened

u know this right

You just proved my point that you don't understand what a tight labor market means.
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>>136373043
Did you read the post? They worked for less than that in America too not too long ago. Are you so naive you think it can't happen again?
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>>136373260
>Detroit
I am sure the demographic of residence has nothing to do with that.

Baltimore does not have the same union presence does it?

I think you are correlating unrelated things.
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>>136373213
But I was looking for is a part time job, I don't need fucking benefits, I am just trying to gain some summer cash
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>>136356486
lame. the kikes win again it seems.
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>>136371737
That is a hyperbole, but that IS how business operates
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>>136373213
We should make some of that the basic requirement for skilled work compensation. Unions exist because of failure to legislate worker conditions in a reasonable way.
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>>136373283
obamaleaf with yet another fake graph
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>>136373055
That picture literally describes almost every revolution ever. It typically starts with intellectuals but then gets overwhelmed by the masses due to economic distress or food shortages, among other things, and ultimately appropriate by more radical authoritarian groups. Who in turn radically uplift the social structure but ultimately retain it by switching around and ironically enough, they become the political establishment, so on and so on.....sniff.
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>>136369778
I'll tell you the unions and open borders do not work together
And every person in a union is an open borders democrat
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>>136371211
Nah they still do it, but only so they push the narrative to hacks & bot those stories to the top of reddit for a PR buzz
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Daily reminder Obama has deep ties with the unions in Illinois that made him rich and helped him get to the presidency where he fucked our country in the ass with a giant dildo for 8 years with his corrupt pro union style philsophies.
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>ITT: Unemployed leaf attempts to make a case for destroying small businesses

Have you ever had a job 0bama leaf?
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>>136373417
>reddit flag
leaf, poo, swede, or cuckman?
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>>136373087
They work full time hours 40 hours a week.

Again, you're proving my point that you right wing retards are so mentally brain dead, you have no fucking clue what a tight labor market means.

https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html

Vast majority job openings in Seattle are FULL TIME

You corporate shills are literally trying to argue that low unemployment and high wages are a bad thing. You're against the American worker at every turn.
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>>136373358
Easy to classify jobs as such. Basic oversight and enforcement prevents abuse. Problem solved.
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>>136373097
>union tells you who to vote for like a good goy
>lazy good for nothing employees who don't get fired
>rely on labors to do all the heavy lifting
>sitting in the union hall because there is no work like a faggot because nobody wants to pay me more to do the same job as Jose
>only get job by threating people and protesting
Enjoy the union hall or the picket line when it gets slow buddy.
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>>136373416
holy shit you're unhinged

https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html
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>>136373283
Circling part of a screen shot from indeed.com proves next to nothing. The opinion piece you posted here >>136372789 makes no mention to the ammount of hours those people work.
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>>136373417
if you are smart enough to understand it then why in god's name would you support it?
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>>136373421
Trump is the one flooding the country with more foreign workers.

Seriously u retards just make shit up.
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>>136373577
>more fake graphs
it never ends
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>>136358233
Found the jew.
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>>136373634
more fake graphs
the obamaleaf trademark
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>>136373097
I forgot to add you're exactly the type of person I was referring to in that post.
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>>136372566
lefties are so creative that they have to copy other peoples memes. many such cases.
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>>136356486
the following have unions
Doctors
Lawyers
Pilots
Politicians
Athletes

Explain to me why the economies highest earners need unions but mindless laboros should not ban together to secure a better wage.

Unions is why your grandfather made more then you can working on an assembly line 60 years ago inflation adjusted.
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>>136373417
>It starts with the """intellectuals"""
You mean useful idiots. Once it is known a revolution is going to succeed, the vanguard are often the first to get purged
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>>136369557
PAY ATTENTION

This is the result of the 1965 immigration act
This is what happens when you flood the market with labor

OBAMA LEAF KNOWS THIS, we've had this conversation with him 100's of times

OBAMALEAF IS WHAT A PAID SHILL LOOKS LIKE
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>>136373444
>car manufacturers
>small businesses
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>>136371809
>rewriting history

It was a fucking symbolic signing faggot. The actual NAFTA bill had to go through congress, and it was then signed by Bill Clinton.

>

After much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives passed the North American Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act on November 17, 1993, 234–200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. The bill passed the Senate on November 20, 1993, 61–38.[15] Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994.[16][17] Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."[18]
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>>136373727
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf? what are you hiding?
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>>136372789
>fight for 15 info graph
just leave
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>>136373784
He knows
We've all had this conversation with him 100's of times
He is a paid shill
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>>136373756
>15$ minimum wage
>not killing small businesses
got some news for ya.
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>>136373729
my grandfather was a self employed mechanic you commie fag
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>>136357345
you are a moron. The will litterally fire you for talking about unionising. middle managements only job is to avoid it happening. And this is the talking point they use. I bet you vote democrat too.
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>>136373444
Wants to protect shitty employers paying shit wages. Lol what is wrong with u?

Why do right wing retards always fight for the entitlement to slave wages?

Plenty of small businesses are thriving in Seattle at $15/hour. They encourage higher pay.

http://www.mollymoon.com/

This woman has like a dozen ice cream shops in Seattle and they're thriving.


https://civicskunk.works/the-market-doesnt-set-your-pay-employers-do-9648c36a97f8
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>>136364526

If my boss doesn't treat me right, I can leave. Unions do nothing but increase the chance of my company going bankrupt and leeching fees.
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>>136373496
>Again, you're proving my point that you right wing retards are so mentally brain dead, you have no fucking clue what a tight labor market means.
You keep posting screenshots of indeed.com and an opinion piece about a scholarly article, that again makes no mention of the central point of the UW study which is the ammount of hours those people work. That opinion piece is also just that, opinion. Please stop calling people shills while you blatantly push an agenda.
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>>136373623
Because I enjoy being subversive yet retaining a level of cohesion and moderation in my political/economic viewpoints. Marx got the right ideas about capital and labor but his solutions were fanciful and incorrect. Now we have a globalized system that is constantly changing the foundation of nation-states and in the process, forcing us to reassess our relationship between internationalism, new technologies, and the current economic model which arguably is unsustainable.
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>>136357513
The ironic thing about you calling those anons serfs is that actual serfdom was pretty much union labor with Lords negotiating allegiance, etc on behalf of his workers.
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>>136373750
I said Obama cut immigration slightly. >>136373634


When do Republicans cut immigration to 500k? Any moment now amirite
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>>136373634
What is this graph supposed to prove, you fucking knob? And then you say people are making shit up? What even is the RAISE act? You're so unbelievably retarded, kill yourself already
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>>136373967
>>136373444
He's not unemployed
He's working right now
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>>136363746
Both.

They are the white working mans version of GIMMEDAT mentality
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Fuck unions.

Everyone should be happy that they will work harder and harder each year and not get compensated appropriately.

Why? Because (((memes))) and failed elderly reality game show hosts.
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>>136356486
The communist butthurt on reddit is glorious.
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>>136373097

More than likely, the non-union wage is the "fair"/market value for your profession and skill. A union enforced monopoly (you know, those things liberals are usually against) on your labor has artificially inflated your pay and benefits.

I mean don't get me wrong, I can't blame union workers, anyone with half a brain would do the same thing. You have to look out for yourself and do what's in your best interest, would be stupid not to do the same work for twice as much if the option is available and you're able to get in.

Just please don't have any delusions about the true value of your labor. Because again, it is being inflated by an artificial monopoly. A day may come where this monopoly ceases to exist, and any regular Joe off the street can be trained in a few months to do your skilled labor job. And when this happens, there will be a correction to the wages/compensation.
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>>136357694
Skill requirements have gone way down.
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I am pro-union in theory but I worked in a union building and can say unequivocally the union destroyed the company.

Union support is like being a civic nationalist. It's good in theory but in practice the onlu success can be had if you are anti-union and white nationalists.

Unions get high-jacked by beaners niggers and jews and are ruined. I wouldn't be surprised if in order to stamp out competition some corps support forming unions in competitors.
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>>136373831
>doenst know I'm using the flag ironically.
>doesnt know that flags were used years ago on pol
KYS nufriend
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>>136373353
>ultimate good goys cannot reply to my post

If Goldberg can have 3rd worlders do the job for cheaper then he will always use them to maximize profit. The only way to change that would be to make Americas jobs pay the same shit wages as in the 3rd world. Is that what you want?
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>>136374062
It doesn't matter your little graph is 100% the result of the 1965 immigration act>>136369557

You know it, I know it yet here you are in another thread talking your shit
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>>136374055
This.
They rub it in your face like it's something to be proud of, a while being complete and total suckers.
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>>136373927
What does the mimimum wage have to do with this thread retard.
I'm not leftypol but sometimes feel like it when constantly presented with this temporarily embarrassed millionaire bollocks on here.
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>>136356486
Mississippian here
It seems like this shit loves to repeat itself

>black population works on catfish plants in the 70's
>academics and "other" people convince them that 8 bucks in that era(living in the delta mind you) is beneath them
>blacks unionize and strike
>catfish plants leave
>delta is back to being ultra impoverished.
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>>136373986
LOL AHAHAHAHA I'm giving you actual data that shows the vast majority of job openings in Seattle are full time. You retards just can't face facts. Do u have any fucking clue what happens at 2.5% unemployment? Wages rise, employers have to offer full time and better benefits. This is what you corporate shills are most afraid of. A tight labor market. It's your worst enemy.

The UW study has already been debunked. >>136372789


Notice how the only people complaining about the $15/hour min wage are billionaire globalists and their right wing retard useful idiots?

THE WORKERS LOVE IT!


UW minimum-wage study doesn’t reflect reality of work in Seattle
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/
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>>136373928
>>136373986
>>136373998
>>136374164
>>136374201
>>136374226
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136374367
>obama leaf and his fake graphs
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>>136356486
get fucked commie scum
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>>136374436
(you)
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>>136373727
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136374161
you have to share a country with right wing retards who are completely subservient and obedient to their billionaire globalist masters.

pretty sad desu

hell, they even elected a billionaire globalist elite
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>>136374521
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136374187
Price per car hasn't gone way down has it...
Maybe just maybe its the million people a year who come to the united states that are causing the wage stagnation

Kind of hard to negotiate a higher wage when Paco will do it for half the price
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>>136374576
>fake graphs
obamaleaf strikes again
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>>136356486
is this at that big ass nissan plant in canton?
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Right wing corporate shills literally arguing that booming employment, 2.5% unemployment and rising wages are a bad thing.

You can't make this shit up.

There are no bigger shills and cucks (shillcucks) than right wing retards
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>>136374367
You are still pushing the same opinion piece whilce citing indeed.com as a source. As I have stated before that article makes no mention to the ammount of hours those people are working. Even better, it is written by a leftist lawyer that works for the National Employment Law Project, surely she would have bias to downplay the significance of that article.

You haven't "won" shit, obongoleaf.
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>>136374631
I see you're in the BSOD Phase
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>>136374576
he owns realestate how is he a globalist.

vs

a bimbo taking donations from foreign leaders, who bows to soros
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>>136374688
Like you're going to leave the thread, you paid shill
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>>136356486
Cucks, unions should be nationalized and all powerful.
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>>136374436
>VPN flag
poo, swede, cuckman, leaf, or my autistic countryman?
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>>136364974
Surrounded by niggers.
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>>136374773
fake graphs aside, at least you don't hide under a reddit flag
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>>136374828
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136374773
this is one of those shill chat bots
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>>136357391
Exactly. As current supervisor in a non-unionized factory, although I have to respect the labour code, I can fire who bugs me or anyone who complains. Plus I get to hire who I want, friends, family or hot chicks, as long as they can do the job. Since I have high standards, it works out great.
Need to keep wages low, profits high, production high, and instil fear within the staff to keep it so.
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>>136374436
European trying to fit in.
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>>136373569
Most people in my hall I've talked to is far more conservative than your average person and ignores the halls propaganda. The only person at my current job that supported Hillary is made fun of at least once a week

Lazy hands are often laid off or fired, labeled as slugs and have a very difficult time getting hired. These are the guys that sit at the hall while the good hands work.

In the 6 years I've been in the trade I've had probably 6 months off total, 3 of which I chose not to work.

It's not all upside, sure there's dues and other shit that gets taken out of the check, but I've made over 100k the last couple years and started with no experience.

t. different construction worker
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>>136374716
HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOW RETARDED ARE YOU?

Go to indeed.com and take a look at the Seattle job openings that are full time and the ones that are part time.

It debunks your retardo argument.

>>136373496

https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html

You retards have legit no fucking how a labor market works do you? When unemployment is 2.5%, there is a scarcity of workers, what must employers do to attract workers?

Face it. It's your worst nightmare, corporate shill.
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>>136374828
>VPN flag
poo, swede, cuckman, leaf, or my autistic countryman?
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>>136374583
>Price per car hasn't gone way down has it...
Why would it? They keep piling on new safety requirements all the time, plus now there's things like computers in cars that keep the price up.
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>>136373986
https://archive.fo/CRo2I

I cannot find the amount of hours worked weekly by state or by local level, so here is the national average of hours worked since 1950 and minimum wage since 1938
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>>136374976
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136374976
>>136374867
whoopsie
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>>136374367
15 an hour minimum wage devalues anyone who managed to climb out of the minimum wage hole, and it fucks anyone who managed to save any money.

This is why liberals love it, it keeps the people poor and creates new poor people from those who'd managed to reach lower middle class level. Liberals are truly evil.
>>
Seems you are either stuck with choosing between corporate overlords and big union overlords
>>
Obamafaggot has a twitter
https://twitter.com/obamaleaf?lang=en
bask in the embarrassing loneliness
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>>136370987

>blue coastal areas flourishing

Is this a fucking joke? Living in the blue coastal areas is fucking ass

>thousands of dollars for shitty cramped apartments.
>No fucking jobs at All, if you have a stem degree you might find an okay job.(friend with engineering degree took 6 months to find $15/hr job
>taxes out the ass. $700 check equates to $500 pay.
>Mexicans everywhere sucking up benefits and flooding the job market

The only reason why coastal are "flourishing" is because bosses can pay their employees shit because of how easy it is to find workers so we can produce products for nothing yeah we produce but unless your parents already had wealth you will be poor here, you can be okay but everything is so expensive anyways because of inflation you're money is crap.

Most of the wealthy people are people who are old and bought property when it was dirt cheap which has since increased in value over tenfold and now that the state is overpopulated they can rent it to leaching immigrants and wageslaves for their entire checks.

Oh wait
>a fucking leaf
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>>136375054
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136371696
Actually the minimum wage increase has led take home pay of min wage earners to decrease by hundreds per month due to hours cut
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>>136375213
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136374974
>indeed.com is a source now
You have fully gone off the rails. Also, I thought you were leaving?
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>>136375342
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136375071
Lol you right wing retards literally fight for people having to slave away at $7 per hour so your corporate masters can profit billions. You are the scum of the earth. Truly.
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>>136375410
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136373967
>15$ may or may not be working as the data is still coming in a liberal shit hole that has an astronomically high cost of living
Even if your right (your not) having it be applied to the whole country would be a disaster.

Again do you or have you ever had a job?
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>>136375084
That's what people like Obamaleaf want you to think
That's why they come into these threads and spam their fucking bullshit.
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>>136375465
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
Big unions reproduce non-teleologically: they cease to retain the original function (successfully collective bargain with the particular employer on behalf of workers' demands) but rather they exist solely to benefit the union leaders.

Unions must be reformed and must downsize if they want to provide any good use for workers
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>>136375354
holy fucking shit I can tell you've never looked for a job in your life. Take a look at Seattle job openings on indeed.com. What do you see? Vast majority are full time. >>136373496 (You)

This triggers you. Facts trigger you. You lost.

https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html
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>>136374961
>w-w-we don't vote for the Democrats I swear!!!
>In the 6 years I've been in the trade I've had probably 6 months off total, 3 of which I chose not to work.
>half a year off
>chose not to work for 3
It was guaranteed more but since your trying to defend your good goy brigade lets shorten it up. How many times did they make you stand in the picket line?
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>>136368893
but some dipshit teenager will call you a cuck for not voting for democrats and the idiotic union.

how can you live with the idiocy that an angsty communist spews?
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>>136372912
there is little middle ground in chicago

All the service jobs are dominated by the local poor and all the upper class paying jobs is being dominated by college graduates and proffesionals that came out of state. Meanwhile we had a shitty fucking mayor who keeps buying into this skillsgap and lack of local talent when majority of would be homegrown proffesionals are being pushed out of the city because companies are incentivised to hire people from out of state because it pushes the tourism agenda
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>>136375004
I'm paid to work 1650 hours per year but actually provide at least an extra 100 hours of unpaid overtime. With all the women in the workplace it helped give some free time.

To have more kids, we need extra time to stay home and care for them.
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Unions outside of hard labor jobs are pointless, the Fed already fills the role.
I work in a navy repair yard and the union , while sometimes jewy, helps more then hurts.
>jews the company so they pay you more each year
>gets you another job while no ships are parked in the dock
>good insurance, you need it, iv seen a guy get cut in half
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>>136375251
Their pay went up actually because they're making more money. Notice how the workers actually love it. They love the $15/hour min wage. They're not complaining. The only people complaining are the billionaire globalist elites and their right wing retard useful idiot corporate cucks.
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>>136375622
What happened to you leaving you waste of life
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>>136375004
Thank you. It seems as though as wages have gone up, hours worked have gone down. Thoughts?

>>136375622
>indeed.com is a source now
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>>136375594
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136375448

>slave away at $7 per hour
Stop working as a cashier or food service worker and get a better job.
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>>136364526
>against owners.

Which in one of the big problems with it. They enforce competitiveness, they institutionalize us vs them. A worker is not the enemy of the boss, the only way a business works long term is for the boss to look out for the workers and the worker to look out for the boss. It only gets done when everyone works together. Businesses where this does not happen eventually fail.

But that is just the cultural failure of unions. They fail on so many other level as well.

Non-accountability. Unions have no reason to do their jobs. A person works hard and outperforms expectation, they get a raise, a boss works hard and improves productivity their business makes more money. A Union boss only makes more money by voting himself a pay increase, getting more clients, or bribing Washington to force more workers to pay union dues. A business has an incentive to work for their employees, a union simply does not. Unions simply do not work for their constituents, they work for the mob or the democratic party, or the bosses, whoever pays more.
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>>136374161
Deceptive chart. Workers have consistently voted for benefits increases instead of wage increases. That is why the chart doesn't show "total compensation" and only hourly wages. If you showed total compensation you would see the line following the trend since 1970.
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>>136375789
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136375768
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136374773
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>>136375768
>indeed.com taken seriously
>its just a website for recruiters and hr to fluff their books and pretend they are working
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>>136375493
I would agree that it should be adjusted depending on the locality. But quite frankly rural and suburban shitholes can continue rotting away with their meth and $7/hour min wage for all I care. I've tried to teach u retards but u don't listen. You want to continue being corporate cucks enslaved by your billionaire globalist masters.

Keep getting pissed off at the success and prosperity of the blue liberal coastal areas
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>>136375790
I mean it is an unacceptable wage in a major city like Seattle
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>>136375830
>>136375852
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136356486
Ha, I saw articles on Reddit in the past week about Nissan being strict on unions. Let's see what those fags say now when even the workers reject unions.
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>>136375988
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136375941
thanks for the help faggot

*steals 16% of your base*
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>>136375768
right wing retard has no argument because he's mad that the vast majority of job openings in Seattle are full time.

Keep losing bitch.

https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html

It's so sad how you pathetic nerd virgins make it blatantly obvious you've never held a job in your life.
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>>136369392
theres a shitty electrical union here in denver, im making good wage and theyre sitting on thier ass.

Youre an idiot at best and a stupid commie at worst. Do i fire up the helicopter or just ignore you?
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>>136376005
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136375864
lol i love how much u get triggered by me that u have to imitate me
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>>136375448
Actually, I'm fighting for the person who worked hard, distinguished themselves and had managed to climb up to 12-15 bucks an hour or so and was starting to put some money into savings.
Fucking cancerous liberals just made that poor guy a minimum wage poorfag again and devalued the crap out of his savings.
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>>136376140
>>136376150
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136375954

It is acceptable when you realize how many cashiers and food service workers there are. Take a trip down the street and count how many restaurants and stores there are. The vast majority of the workers there all do the same job, the market is saturated with them. The more of them there are the lower the wages are.
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>>136375811
>Unions have no reason to do their jobs
Unions get kicked out by workers if they don't represent the interests of the workers. I've seen it happen many times. Basically you're just a corporate globalism shill or a fluffler for them.
Unions aren't all bad and those who are will be replaced - sooner or later.
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>>136376099
Democrats are the party of workers. Republicans are the party for the elites.

This has been true for over a century. What's your point?
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>>136374164
Any links?
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>>136375768
Honestly, I think it is more to do with an increase of new technology that would speed up certain services
>>136375691
Man up and ask for those wages dude. I'm sure your union would help
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>>136376104
Continuing to post a non-source doesn't make it a source, niggerleaf.
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>>136376104
>https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html
front page all i saw was contract or retail/restaurant dish washing crap

shut the fuck up leaf
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right wing retard billionaire globalist corporate supercuck shills trying to argue that 2.5% unemployment, booming employment and rising wages are a bad thing!

good goys!
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>>136376337
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136376263
Its unacceptable when you realize there are so many cashiers and food service workers because big money has lobbied for basically open borders immigration
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>>136375941
>Teaching people

Holy fuck, you actually belive your doing an service posting here??

hold on:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABABAHABABABANJAJANANAHAHAH!!!

*deep breath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

you
are
a
joke

get a real job.
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>>136376220
I would rather be a minimum wagie making $15/hour per hour than a right wing retard making $8/hour when min wage is $7.50. I swear to god u retards are such cucks.
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>>136376336
>Honestly, I think it is more to do with an increase of new technology that would speed up certain services
Well yea, it would be more affordable to save costs with technology when you can. In most law offices there was a small army of paralegals that were employed to do research, now its maybe two and a database.
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>>136376373
Mansplaining is all they're good for.

Poor Emily.
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>>136376236
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136356776
exactly
unions nowadays only exist to protect lazy boomers and their pet niggers and spics
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>>136376278
It's actually 22% of your base, not 16%
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>>136376557
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136376278
>democrats are the party of workers

no, they are the party of poor people and they do the damndest to make more.
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>>136376687
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136373984
And where you gonna go when no boss treats you right?
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>>136376358
all i see are amazing jobs, even entry level jobs at great pay


I dunno how u retarded losers are still unemployed morons
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>>136376453
Clearly it's no use. The billionaire globalist own you right wing retards.
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>>136376697
A lot of workers are poor in America. That's exactly the problem.
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>>136376767
then post the individual links and prove it you fucking shit
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>>136376739
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136375811
You're right, a worker is not the enemy of the boss.
The boss is an enemy of the worker. They will never be equal and their relationship is always exploitative of the worker
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>>136376838
>Clearly it's no use
Then feel free to leave. It's clearly lost cause according to you, go back to your hugbox on twitter and reddit.
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>>136376918
i could post 10 in a row and u nerd virgins will bitch about every 1

https://www.indeed.com/rc/clk?jk=35608461a8a6df76&fccid=4ff181906b1f1a21
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>>136376459
>I'd want to live in a shoe box and drive a scooter to my shit job at McDonald's where I work 30 hours and have zero job security.

You've never had a job have you?
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>>136368893
Get a job at the Honda plant. It's not bad, just ran by a bunch of retards. I knew a few andersonites when i was there.
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>>136377015
>>136377085
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136376936
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?

keep the fuck up faggot, youre slowing down
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>>136377015
lol u wish

Nah I love studying how the billionaire globalists program u retards to spend your entire lives working against your own interests
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>>136377181
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136377035
>washington state patrol is limited to seattle
Holy fuck you're dumb.
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>>136377147
Hoosier.
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>>136377233
>>136377277
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
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>>136377222
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?

checked
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>>136377233
>>136377035
>thread about non government jobs
>posts a government job
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>>136377215
No one here is a minimum wage worker
and I could give two shits about how bad life is working for a cuckold pushing, diversity hiring corporation
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>>136377057
>>136377085
>>136377215
>>136377233
Given the speed of this thread, looks like the right is really threatened by unions.
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>>136376278
>>136376767
>https://www.indeed.com/l-Seattle,-WA-jobs.html
These entry level jobs do not pay over $50k a year, which would help the majority in Trump's tax plan
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>>136377233
that job is based in seattle u moron

you're proving my point

>i could post 10 in a row and u nerd virgins will bitch about every 1

it's clear u right wing retards just want to be unemployed losers your entire life just bitching about things. I've studied you for long enough. That much is obvious.

some of these links are long af

https://www.indeed.com/pagead/clk?mo=r&ad=-6NYlbfkN0Cgzzg34OcIBt71QtIDabF0n_0CVjONGUd2X2ihn2A56EzzxqhR8Mp0hHUSKHXHkJi6M6nzLN9MCw0P--wI_AX9Nhhs5LrtC_jxMb8zGVLSN-7CDp2cNIhL_lmLXrdz-_zcKRQ56ZTeJOsDxCpQPKab8aX934r9C1dKb3mK-qYxv582_ai573N9lDr1BgX178ss_GfU_cb3llgw1LjoBFKx8Fht6d3FBCrm32RlECwkfMIrnKn9RyONrjG518dB1gGw9PbGfseC5OE5VsHZmFa68Niu_94dM1D3hm2XfBv0KGEDAGH6ikhbN3XFD7-RwKMkvZn04iVZLfrp-UBha-goeoZGG0tKDZDI0EcuuhRQt-19fmFeN_e7OdEDqOIM5slQ7pTbX5cXv2m7AO14nHXoRrGhnP9CQWj-MNbFb82E6ATznG9CRRgaEADJzTR3T0TH-kiI_UP-w1e6XTGvx6plt8dmtsTOMvHrWpvflTbCRozlGUXM5G4ezOHMJS9_03ro4pms0aqHvSNkILYgTe-i3FPf2FtEHKIUwUUBMaGyJO1i6wsTnEmotl-Ds4m6OwIXNXAwJ4emFjA490IwlbqkC0YSMjpTMtI=&p=1&sk=&fvj=0&tk=1bmscaur6a10scf9&jsa=6230
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>>136376838
>he's says while being employed by the largest globalist organization on the planet: government welfare

Being on welfare should preclude you fom commenting on this subject
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>>136377376
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
>>136377415
I'm just picking random job openings and copying the link address

https://www.indeed.com/rc/clk?jk=95d808234898a280&fccid=edae4285faf6c2f0

you're proving my point

>i could post 10 in a row and u nerd virgins will bitch about every 1

it's clear u right wing retards just want to be unemployed losers your entire life just bitching about things. I've studied you for long enough. That much is obvious.
>>
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>>136377215
>Nah I love studying how the billionaire globalists program
How much do you watch CNN or any MSM?

>to spend your entire lives working against your own interests
How do you know what my interests are?
>>
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>>136377464
Again
>>
>>136377421
the right will fight against higher wages for american workers at all times
>>
>>136377421
Well, so far unions have been bad for my state.
>>
>>136377587
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
>>136377630
>>136377656
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
>>136377430
lol u retards have never worked a job in your life. u need some education, some skills, if u want to start at $50k per year

u unemployed right wing neckbeards have no education or skills
>>
>>136377672
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
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>>136376901
At least they're working, and a great many of them voted for Trump.
>>
>>136377612
>first link of job listings was a fucking list of dead end retail jobs
>ask for examples of actual jobs
>keeps linking redirects as to avoid the "how many applied" count that indeed has


YES MAN ANYONE CAN GET THESE JOBS BUT NO ONE IS CLAIMING THEM
>>
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>>136377648
his biggest demographic is non-educated white males
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>>136377464
>that job is based in seattle u moron
Nowhere in that link did it say that.

>you're proving my point
In the fairy land you live in.

>it's clear u right wing retards just want to be unemployed losers your entire life just bitching about things. I've studied you for long enough. That much is obvious.
>implying
>>
>>136377725
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
>>136377864
>>136377874
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
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>>136377772
>At least they're working

Thanks Obama!
>>
>>136377421
Unions are the force they used to fight against, sorry your to blind to see this.
>>
>>136377720
Why Can't I get 50k a year in an entry level job? It is my right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness
>>
>>136358233
imagine the smell
>>
>>136377836
Well no fucking shit
They're literally the enemy of the democratic party and all their goons
>>
>>136377656
Why do you think it's because of unions? A company who is not willing to work with a union is only interested in profits and shareholder's dividend.
>>
>>136377890
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?
>>
>>136377890
>reddit flag
poo, swede, cuckman, or leaf?

lets keep this up nufriend
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