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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.
Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
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>>136308898
>lelel im just pretending to be retarded to bait /pol/ to beat this dead horse again! im not really mentally ill tho! xDDDDD
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>>136309334
>Replies to own post first so that their shit politics aren't made fun of in fp
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>>136308898
Oh, and go starve commie.
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Hello amigos. This general is for the discussion of Spainfag, the larping, basement-dwelling originator of daily autistic commie threads
Spainfag is the next stage of cuckoldry who follows the failed idea of communism
Who exactly is Spainfag according to everybody who sees his threads:
>Spainfag is an unemployed /leftypol/ drain on society who advocates for gibs cuz he is too lazy to work. He has never produced anything and is thus a waste of resources. He preaches “from each according to their ability and to each according to their need” because he has no abilities and needs to die
>Spainfag in it's full form is a sperging, no class cuck that follows the maxim “lalalala I can't hear your logic” and argues anything you say with cringey pedo memes that are poorly photoshopped to support communism
>To achieve such a high level of autism Spainfag must have been dropped on his head as a baby and been molested by family. His mind is now controlled by the zionist-communist class. A struggle will occur in which the people finally fight back and the zionists will be liquidated by the working class. When the zionist class has been completely vanquished, there will be many classes based on peoples' individual abilities and work ethic, and eventually the functions of the state will become minimized to ensure a free market with low taxes which benefit society as a whole, and the welfare state as such will 'wither away'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Spainfag uses a philosophy called retardation, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
It is recommended to sage Spainfag threads and post anti-commie memes for maximum keks. Hoppean snake & Pinochet helicopter memes, and factual anti-commie infographs work best
Resources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe
https://www.kikebook.com/HoppeanSnakeMemes/
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Fuck commies
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>>136311831
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>>136313317
Ok now this is getting sad.
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Kill yourself
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>136308898
/starvation general/
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>>136315002
There is plenty of food in communism, in fact there is a abundance of everything that society needs.
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>>136308898
sage it NOW
communism is for faggot losers who dont know shit from shit. all commies need to be gassed and left to rot
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>>136315363
even in st. petersburg 1996-98 supermarkets were empty, the power of communism even after its dissolution!
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>>136315540
I said communism ( communist society), USSR was a socialist state
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>>136315363
Yes everything society needs as long as they only need political purges and totalitarian government
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>>136316377
If you are against totalitarianism maybe you should argue with >>136315485
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>>136308898
reporting in comrades
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>>136315540
Russia was capitalist at the time.
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>>136315540
>food problems before socialism
>socialism's fault
>food problems after socialism
>socialism's fault
can't win with you people
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Stop overthrowing Russian puppet regimes.
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Bumping with corn man
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>>136316247
>>136317239
>>136317362
>american teenagers think communism is wonderful
meanwhile all the people who suffered through its attempts want nothing to do with it. really lengthens my breadlines
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>>136317541
not american, not a teenager. try again
>meanwhile all the people who suffered through its attempts want nothing to do with it
pic related
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Even the fucking robots are anti-communist now.
>>136315847
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>>136317465
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>>136308898
Why are you still here?
Just to suffer?
This is no place for these egregious shitpost. You ought to leave.
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>>136317638
show your flag you limp wristed european
>pic
fondly remembering the importance ussr played on the world stage, not actually living in it
i guarantee you have never stepped foot in russia, never experienced living under ussr, never had any life experience or hardship
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>>136317860
Here to have discussion on communism. You autists keep freaking out though. If you don't like it don't come in the thread retard
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>>136317541
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>>136317988
You don't know me
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>>136308898
Some tips on making leftist memes, fellow comrades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGMS_QvbH90
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>>136317991
The discussion has been had. The points have been made. They won't agree with you, no matter how many times you spam this board.
You're yelling into the abyss, at this point.
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>>136317860
Fuck off faggot
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>>136308898
First for Fuck Zionism
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piss
poop
shit
fart
nigger
kike
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>>136318242
We are here to stay. Don't like it then leave fag
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>>136318242
This is my board fatass.
I'm not going to surrender to magapedes and newfags
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>>136318377
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
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>Fuck Zionism
Agreed
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>>136318442
You're German. You surrendered everything a long time ago.
Your ass belongs to Turks and Syrians now.
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>>136318420
>>136318442
Obvious troll is obvious. Do you even know where you are faggot?
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>>136318613
whoops, meant for
>>136318377
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>>136308898
Free Shit: The Ideology
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Oh boy, this thread again.
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>>136318649
>Do you even know where you are faggot?
Yes, and? I have been on 4chan for a long time too
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>>136318385
>Wants to own slaves
>Is a slave
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When will children learn?
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>>136318753
World communism please
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troll fag
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>>136318634
>loves Taliban when they fight the USSR
Surprised when his bastard ideology does 9/11
>>136318649
>Do you even know where you are faggot?
On my board you retarded fat fuck
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>>136318702
>I have been on 4chan for a long time too
No, no you haven't. Take your cancer back to redbit, you enormous gay.
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>>136317988
He's Spanish. See >>136311733
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>>136318902
How about you make a point, in your own words, instead of posting pictures
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>>136318838
>Thinks he is saging
>Bumping thread with pictures
>Calls others newfags
Hmmm
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BBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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>>136308898
fuck of commie kike
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>first man in space
>significant percentage of population is gulag'd
You fucking lost you dumb faggot. Have fun posting your wholesome Lenin memes while you dream-cry of a world without GREEDY CAPITALISTS replaced with TOTALLY NOT GREEDY COMMUNIST TRANS DYKE NIGGERS
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>>136318991
Do you think everyone with a communist flag is the same person? moron
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>>136319097
Go away commiebot
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>>136317991
Seriously just kill yourself
Communism destroys countries, there is a reason people attack you, you want to destroy the world
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My face when gommunism is dead. Buried forever under mounds and mounds of Murrican capitalist cheese.
Capitalism is here to stay. Let me feast on your tears like I do my burgers.
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>>136319196
Fuck off to your safe space in /ptg/ you cancerous piece of shit
>>136319210
Please suffocate on the hotdog you think is freedom.
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>>136319415
Dude......stop posting. It's ogre.
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>>136319210
>you want to destroy the world
No, that is capitalism
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>>136319461
Dude, shut-up. I'm trying to watch Jojo.
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>>136319305
>Let me feast on your tears like I do my burgers.
lel, get fucked confederate piece of shit
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>>136308898
This is now a fashwave thread
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>>136319609
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>>136319584
>fashwave
cringey desu
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>>136319439
Keep eating out the orange monkeys asshole.
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>>136308898
Gotta love an ideology that promotes constant revolution and class warfare, stopping any attempt at the society actually developing into something, no wonder it's such shit.
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>>136319641
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What's the story with people who actually believe in the failed ideology of communism past Middle school. Did they never grow out of their edgy phase? I always think they're joking, but I've seen enough that I believe some must be genuine, so what's the story there?
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>>136319415
>>136319461
Capitalism has provided us with the highest living standards in the history of the world
Commies are so delusional
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>>136319584
>>136319609
>>136319641
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>>136319671
>stopping any attempt at the society actually developing into something
No, the whole idea is for countries to develop into communism
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>>136319584
I can dig it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cz_MBUZcn4&list=PLnUp9JNxbvu8gVnXG9bb86--enEtHytYr
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>>136319725
My nigger!
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>>136319686
>>136319731
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>>136319785
Fuck yeah
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STFU KIKE!
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>>136319788
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>>136319735
For who? What country are you from?
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>>136319868
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>>136319788
Eat shit. Im the fashwave master!
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>>136319896
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>>136319584
>>136319848
Cybernazi makes good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNuYGxMV-xQ
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obligatory
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>>136319936
Fuck me daddy
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>>136319788
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>>136320010
No
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>>136320000
CHECK EM HAHAHA EAT SHIT COMMIES
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>>136319924
>>136319936
>>136319969
>>136319981
>>136320000
>>136320010
Thanks for the bumps
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>>136319665
>Dude BLUUUUUUMMPFFFF uhhhhh he's orange and sheeeiiit!!!!
Commies are just CNN but more autistic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNuYGxMV-xQ
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>>136320071
That's a good one, where'd you get it?
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>>136320137
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>can't formulate own arguments
>resort to spamming the thread with cringey 'fashwave' pics that 15 year olds make
ok, you sure changed my mind
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>>136320115
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>>136320000
Checkem, commie fags.
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>>136320021
Captcha: PLEASE
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>>136320115
>he thinks we're bumping
Heh, Redditfags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIIieb4uvVU
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>>136320137
I make them.
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>>136320286
>Nazism
Your ideology died in 1945
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>>136320212
Time for arguments have passed
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Praise capitalism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQ6fAtHXXQ
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>>136320286
well you clearly fucking are bumping the thread retard
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>>136320294
Laborwave > fashwave
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>>136320085
>Muh magical digits
>>136320134
You are a whore of Middle Eastern Monarchs like your president and CNN, enjoy losing friends and family in Iran
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>>136320294
Never stop
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>>136320404
>Praise feudalism
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>>136320467
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>>136320421
labour wave sucks nigger dick.
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Post more fash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHLXgRFf3fw
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>>136320529
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>>136320387
This.
Communism was fully debunked and proven to be shit years ago.
>>136320450
>>136320419
>so retarded xe doesn't know how 4chan works
I got quads, nigger.
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>>136320286
>Doesn't know that every picture bumps regardless of sage
lel
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>>136320582
give the quads
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But itll never beat whats coming...
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>>136320582
what? you are bumping the thread back to page 1. I was watching you do it retards
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>>136315363
Jordan Peterson on the "Not Real Communism" Fallacy
https://youtu.be/OlB_xNOAn1c
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>>136320609
They're from reddit, they'll learn the ins and outs of this site soon enough. On second thought
>Nazis
>Learning
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>>136320609
>americans
kek
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>>136320582
>I got quads, nigger.
Plebtier digits
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>>136320716
>commies
>iq greater than 65
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Fash it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B42Z4MMU0_w
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>>136320678
kek
>>136320716
national socialism has never been tried before
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Kill yourselves commie autismos
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>>136320773
Did someone order some fash?
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fashy fashy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNa3O91MwWU
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>>136320750
well yeah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_Nobel_laureates
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>>136321048
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>>136320750
Lol
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>>136321072
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>>136320750
>The following Soviet scientists were recipients of a Nobel Prize.
Physics[edit]
1958 Pavel Cherenkov, Ilya Frank and Igor Tamm "for the discovery and interpretation of the Cherenkov effect"
1962 Lev Landau "for his theories about condensed matter, particularly about liquid helium superfluidity"
1964 Nikolay Basov and Aleksandr Prokhorov "for fundamental work in the area of the quantum electronics, which led to the construction of oscillators and amplifiers on the basis of the maser laser principle"
1978 Pyotr Kapitsa "for his fundamental inventions and discoveries in Cryophysics"
2001 Zhores Alferov (RU) "for the development of semiconductor heterostructures for high-speed and opto-electronics" (working in the time of the USSR)
2003 Alexei Abrikosov (RU), Vitaly Ginzburg (RU) "for innovative work in the theory about superconductors" (working in the time of the USSR)
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>>136320650
>He....he's fast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU2yixkqqDg
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>>136321162
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>>136320799
>national socialism has never been tried before
Oh it has, and it failed. Meanwhile socialism in the USSR among many other places was wildly successful. So successful it was a large threat to the capitalist world
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>>136321092
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>>136321188
Degenerate. But I'd fuck.
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>>136321162
>dead
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>>136321220
>successful
lel
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>>136321151
>B-But only capitalism drives innovation
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>>136321275
Hitler never died
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>>136321357
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>>136314908
thank you
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>>136321417
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>>136321457
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>>136321473
It's happening
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>>136321473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECkDIZJmXt0
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>>136321248
Do you know how he went into debt? Do you know for a fact that he used his money wisely?
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>>136321151
>>136321346
>hundreds of millions of soviets
>six measly nobel prizes between them
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>>136316247
is there any actual example of communist society?
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>how can other anthems even compete
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BulFwGSi8bc
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>>136321546
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>>136321547
>2009
heh
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>>136321586
the words ruin it
old version and new
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>>136321600
>>136321581
Yes, USSR.
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>>136321547
>TFW ultra-nationalists control Poland
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/magazine/the-party-that-wants-to-make-poland-great-again.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECkDIZJmXt0
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>>136321735
liar
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>>136321248
>Implying not a cunt
Paris is rich because of our socialist regulations and central banking, same as JP Morgan who killed Tesla.
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>>136321586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PLoSMIandg
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>>136321856
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>>136321275
He's actually in Argentina, Stalin is dead though.
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Guys, I just saw a lightning bug outside my window.
What does it mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHT3Pe39UQg
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>>136321547
>Communism was horrible ask the people
>pollsters ask people result: 81% want Communism to return
>fake polls look Trump won
>it's a poll from Serbia
>TRUMP WON
I think they don't even realize how retarded they are.
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>>136322040
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>>136322105
Last one, someone take over.
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>>136321751
>>136321547
>TFW ultra-nationalists control Hungary
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-21/hungarys-antimigrant-strongman-leader-viktor-orban-challenges-eu/7952308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QSwDLH2ang
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>>136321151
And obama got a nobel prize just for being black, what's your point? Are you admitting there is nothing consequential about the nobel prize and it's based on a jewish agenda?
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>>136322141
>another communist general stays on page 1
thanks
>>136322378
Nobel prizes in peace are an entirely different thing than those in physics which I posted
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>>136322274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsu7wEyiWGQ
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>>136315540
That's because oligarchs starved the populace to get them to hand over their shares in the countries infrastructure and industry. Paper is worthless when you're starving
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>>136322440
There's only like 5-6 people in these threads at any given time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7uduCAZD38
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>>136322303
>Thomas Worstall
>Worstall
Nope. Your jewish propaganda is far too easy to spot at this point.
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>>136322527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAx0t3O55Zo
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>>136322542
Worstall isn't a jewish name you mong
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>>136322671
>shadilay
c'mon even /pol/ is sick of that shit
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>>136322542
>He...he's fast!
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>>136322671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJxlol3sumI
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>>136322859
based
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>>136322905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7n0t-b9aHo
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>>136323022
mup da
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTrBDJGySm0
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>>136322859
It's pretty funny that most of /pol/ seems to share a lot of common ground with communists, they just refuse to admit it
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>>136314908
Only quality post in this thread
Sage.
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>commies get btfo
>can't go to empty lefty pol
>no where to attention whore but here on normal pol
>normal pol is far upper right arch-traditionalist
>commies never actually argue points using resources and logic, but shitpost with shit anime girls instead
SSDD
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>>136322859
meanwhile USA only imprisoned less than 3 guys for the 2008 crisis
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>>136308898
https://youtu.be/OlB_xNOAn1c
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>>136323160
>>normal pol is far upper right arch-traditionalist
do you actually believe this
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>>136323114
>>136323126
The only thing we share is we both hate neoliberalism. Your cultural/national ideas are nigger-tier though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOdO-Rn0bso
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>>136323160
>commies never actually argue points
If you have any points to make or questions then go for it
>>136323260
Zionism too but for different reasons
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>>136319848
This is my favorite
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>>136323293
Yeah, you just hate Zionism because you want to eliminate all nations and culture. You're kinda like ayy lmaos or zombies or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzU-FQuMy74
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>>136323230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBsZJkXxWU4
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>>136323423
>You're kinda like ayy lmaos
You almost made a sensible post but then you have to spout that 16 year old-tier shit.
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>>136323423
not all of us are globalists
if you're looking for a system that has no regard for sovereignty, culture, and community, see capitalism, and it's current vessel neoliberalism
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>>136323260
I always thought that retrowave music titles were completely random, now I'm sure lol
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>>136322096
>>136322859
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage
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>>136323540
DESU, I'm in like 5 threads and watching animu and fapping right now. I don't have time to reply to you seriously.
>>136323594
Nah, just 99.9% of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxeHm74COk
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>>136323766
I like botany too
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>>136323606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI6cLTl26pI
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>>136323785
>DESU, I'm in like 5 threads and watching animu and fapping right now. I don't have time
But anon, it would have been quicker not to write that
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>>136323851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDOd-gEIc_U
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>>136323785
i know, but how do i separate myself from the shitty commies? my ideology is literally minimal government and shared means of production but anything linked to socialism has been co-opted by SJWs and globalists
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>>136323915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsz1u4U2TNA
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>>136323936
>my ideology is literally minimal government
well so is communism
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>>136324043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjcDsOANAk
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>>136324052
what is the communist view on meritocracy?
I don't mind when someone accumulates wealth as long as he really made it himself and is not going to pass down on inheritance or something
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>>136324082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wSqz71XgM
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>>136318993
>le socialism is about parasitism meme
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Communism is not a societal tool, its a disease to inflict on rival nations
[spoiler]and its kinda working, unfortunately[/spoiler]
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>>136324287
During the socialist state some people argue that there could be labour vouchers interchangeable for luxuries
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>>136324287
>I don't mind when someone accumulates wealth
But what do you mean? how is wealth accumulated in a capitalist society? it is workers who generate wealth and therefore no one person should be gathering it
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STOP BUMPING THIS
SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE
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>>136320609
I doubt these socialist groups are genuine. They could be just a bunch of Berntards for all I know
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>>136324376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9aaaR5QGT0&list=PLnUp9JNxbvu8gVnXG9bb86--enEtHytYr&index=10
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>>136324571
triggered?
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>>136324612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDOd-gEIc_U
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>>136324515
>value in porperty
TO THE GULAG WITH YOU
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>>136324515
I clarify that this is not money, but functions as a ticket, is not interchangable etc. so it is not wealth, it is a certificate of the labour you have socialized.
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>>136324753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlWp32BS2QI
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>>136323708
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>>136324535
I mean a guy that works 12 hours a day because he is addicted or something, won't he get more things than the others from his own labor?
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>>136324768
communists are fine with personal possessions, property means something else
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>>136322303
>implying income inequality is bad
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>>136324817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s26pr1fSiE
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>>136325182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVc5bkG34G0
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>>136326163
Wow, nationalist and chauvinist much? Go to gulag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YItUjrGdkh8
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>>136326378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxARYmac2ZQ
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>>136326163
>>136326359
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>>136327251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzezXSyp158
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>>136327713
I really like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX723DUmoeU
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>>136327983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tcEDIFg9Ik
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>>136328307
>>136328307
>wanting the world to be ruled by retarded chinks
no human race in its entire history starved to death because one day they all collectively decided to exterminate an entire species of birds, allowing locust to flourish in the coming years
- except the chinese.
they melted down all their pots and pans and cut down their houses for fuel in order to get steel for buildings but "magically" ended up with shit tons of useless pig iron. And then froze to death in winter.
inb4 it wasnt real communism the entire time
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>>136328671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCLGVUenCeA
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why do commies think there so smart that theyll end up leading instead of working like the rest of them ?
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>>136329337
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>>136330167
top spooky my friend wanna ask why on earth you would support the communist reign in china as an example? or was it not real communism
try le harder
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>>136330322
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Hey when there is no state who enforces socialist policy? Is it just the workers duty to maim people with farming equipment if they horde goods?
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For that matter how do you even stop organized crime? Lets say the people whose job it is to hold the guns decide to run a protection racket.
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>>136331250
I'm not going to talk about maiming people. But if you have issues with your feels, there is a community who can help you with that.
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>>136308898
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>>136331337
>Ukraine without Communism
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>>136331671
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>>136331541
Well as a lazy unproductive neet i'd like a steady job with a fixed supply of food water anime vhs and shelter, I just want to know how any system can operate without the state to enforce it. Because hey I'm all for the working man utopia but what about the assholes?
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>>136331790
>jews are parasites in general
now if only you didn't run off their philosophy and ruin everything everywhere
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>>136331841
>but what about the assholes?
That's what the revolution is for
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Wow, the shills really are trying to co-opt this fucking board with gommunism. Fucking hell.
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Also, and im just spitballing here, who enforces the distribution of goods? I mean ok let's assume i drive trucks and in exchange for delivering goods the community allows me a home and food. Is it all the same type of food though? What if I prefer pasta and my neighbor likes pizza do we fill out orders? If the chef only can make x amount of a specfic dish but alot of y hoe is it decided who gets the x food and stuck with y? Like i get how doctors who do more skilled important work gets better food but what if the quality is the same but there isnt supply to meet demand? Is there a person wgo keeps tracks of all the services? What if I'm a neat freak and i call a maid every single day to clean my house maybe a different maid each time, does someone record my needs to match my ability? I know if that was my job i'd fudge the record all the time for myself. Or is there a communial bureaucrats who keeps my record. Is there a never ending chain of bureaucrats recording service and goods to other bureaucrats? What if only like a couple decide to collude, no one would know? Wait how would you even get that job? Do you attend a communal school amd get placed if you do alot of good paperwork? What if everyone just goes for the cushy paperwork job and intentionally screw up their other stuff? Hold on wouldnt higher ability people be divided by class from the common worker? How is this different from pure anarchy again?
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>>136332067
Ok but like what about the assholes who are born AFTER the revolution. Or the assholes who thought they liked the idea of communism until they actually did it and then decide "well fuck this I'm just gonna be self sufficient and sell my product. Oh also i kept all my guns from the revolution" whose gonna bother to stop them?
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>>136332886
A computerized planning system takes account of what people needs and adjust production accordingly, so if many people are voting for pizza then the production of pizza will increase for example. Soviet Cybernetics (like OGAS) in the USSR was a plan to eliminate bureaucracy and human error/corruption, and make the economy much more efficient but actually was denied funding sadly.
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>>136319781
>No, the whole idea is for countries to develop into communism
Funny then how it never really happens. Is that so you can claim that there has never been real communism? You obviously skipped over the part where 3 of the worlds most famous Communists said that the revolution itself was the only thing in communism that mattered. How then, can you even have a society, if it is under constant revolution.
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>>136308898
Why are you here?
i have seen 100s of your posts, and im responding once to ask why you keep posting.
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>>136333138
The socialist state can't tolerate cheaters, they need to be enforced/reeducated somehow. Notice I'm talking of socialism, communism comes after generations of socialism when technology, education, eugenics, etc have gradually eliminated the cheaters.
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>>136333138
Everyone has a responsibility to stop abuse. I'd say the person closest to the abuser should have the primary responsibility in stopping them.
The other comrade can probably give you a better answer. I mostly lurk in these threads to make memes.
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>>136331790
Nice deflection
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>>136333284
Oh ok there is cenrtal planning, and its a computer? I mean im pretty sure thats not how marx thought it'd work but ok no ones perfect always room for improvement.
But wait wouldn't the person who programs the governing machine be the defacto state? I mean sure techincally its an incorruptible algorithm that coldly monitors and determines who needs what but the only person who could know how the program works is the programmer. I know if I was the programmer I'd fix it so me and all my buddies get the best stuff. No one could argue with me as long as I made sure the workers got the minimum amount of supplies to survive. Isn't this just despotism with a computer monitor instead of a crown? Does the computer act as a judge too? Can it interpret law and hand down judgements? Are you sure this isnt a technocratic system run by skynet?
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>>136333856
Even if you managed to elimnate all the cheaters how do you stop new cheaters from being born when you shift to communism. I mean you can't breed out assholes.
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>>136333902
Ok but like what if the job of the person doing the abuse is to hold all the guns? What if its the planner and no can even know he's cheating?
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>>136334674
>What if its the planner and no can even know he's cheating?
Then it's called capitalism
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>>136334539
This require full understanding of human ethology, possible use of genome editing for the genetic traits for cheating-behavior predisposition and maybe the most important part is education and culture context in which they are born, it must be designed so it discourage cheating behavior , so you got to have control both in what people are inherently born with and the environment people will be born. Imagine that one day people will feel socialism or communism just as 'natural' as capitalism feels to us right now.
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>>136334400
That's the key of such a system, to make it work it must be virtually impossible to be manipulated, this system must not have a life on its own, we are not making a god-machine here but using it us a tool for humans, not a machine that enslave us or has the potential to do so.
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>>136333284
All of these computerized systems would still need constant oversight, even in the best possible applications for it.
It sounds great but really isn't.
>>136333902
No, your answer is correct, but leaving the responsibility to those immediately in contact with them is a dangerous game to play.
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>>136334867
So of we cannot prevent the cheating and we'll simply end up with capitalism, why even fucking try at all you daft fuck?
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>>136335202
A system where you can't figure out exactly how the people "planning" society are cheating is the system we currently live in.
Any Communist society needs transparency. Transparency serves the dual purpose of making it apparent if someone is trying to cheat and it helps people understand what they need to do next
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>>136335155
it doesn't need to be perfect, if it is better to plan to economy than using inefficient human bureaucrats then it is very useful.
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>>136335445
Yeah, you are right, it's actually the best way to make it secure. We can't have a black box here.
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>>136334918
Ok I get that, capitalism is based around the assumption that people are greedy and works with that, a d communism wants to socially and genetically engineer greed out of them. I mean i get socialism is the process of turming people into super nice dudes but it I'm not sure how the system is supposed to affect the people controlling the system in the first place.
I mean i guess given enough time you could just implant people with cybernetics to create a race of ubermench. I guess the borg and geth would be classes and stateless without the reapers or borg queen.
Alright I'm on board just tell me when the neural implants are ready.
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>>136335690
>how the system is supposed to affect the people controlling the system in the first place.
The controllers are the working class as a whole, is a transparent system (otherwise it would be insecure and prone to be hijacked maliciously).
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>>136336312
Wait so workers split their day between labor and paperwork? Is it manditory or can I blow off my daily distribution index report?
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>>136336822
People just have to vote what they want, they will receive according to their contribution(labour) in socialism. There could be labour vouchers for luxuries as incentive too. In communism people receive according to their neccesities and most work has been automatized
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I hate to be the breaker of bad news to you boys but communism is never happening again
also,
>poor people
who gives a fuck lmao, they're subhumans
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>>136319415
You're making communism look bad. Based on my experience, every time I try to have a genuine conversation with a communist they say shit like that. I see a lot of problems with communism so I do critique it but thats nothing personal nor is it an attack. If someone said the sky was blue but I look out my window and say that its a cloudy grey, its not an attack on that person, its just my own logical conclusion. All that other person could do is explain why he thinks the sky is blue. In the same way, communists should just explain why they see things that way. Communism obviously works for a while so there is some truth to it. I just want to understand why communists see past that. Insulting people isn't going spread your ideology. Its actually the most exhausting thing trying to learn communism from communists because they try to attack/insult you when you engage. I don't understand where their hostility comes from because Karl Marx never came across as aggressive in the writings I've read. So please stop insulting and just try to explain your view as best as you can.
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>>136337355
>You're making communism look bad.
which frankly is unnecessary, Marx did a good enough job of doing that himself
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>>136337335
Communism has never existed yet
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>>136337589
aw so millions of chinks died for nothing then ;_;
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>>136337111
But the people enforcing that would be the state right? So would be the people who legislate what the value of labor is. And obviously they would consider their work more important creating a class schism between the centeral planners and the workers no matter how transparent. I mean the workers could vote on that too but then skilled work would obviously be worth less defeating the point.
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>>136337447
Its happening right now in vietnam in a limited way.
>>136337589
Oh right gotta turn people into robots first before a classless stateless systen can function.
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>>136337762
Paul Cockshott proposes that the value of labour is measured in time of labour no matter the kind of labour , so people would receive just depending on the time they have been working , this would solve the problem you mention , and for luxurious commodities there would be labour vouchers as incentive for extra time
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>>136338182
can i work on edging for 8 hours every day and get paid
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>>136338452
if it is socialized labor, something that contributes to society.
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>>136338182
Then wouldn't people naturally gravitate to easier jobs with inherently valuable means of production? Can i call myself a pharmasist and just spend 12 hours a day handing out cold medicine, and keep all the fun stuff? How can any merit based system exist if the most valuable asset is time alone?
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>>136338565
Who gets to judge whats valuable to society?
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>>136338595
the solution is using labor vouchers as incentives , for extra time, for very dangerous jobs, for dirty jobs, etc, exchangeable for luxury commodities.
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>>136338651
society can decide it democratically
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>>136338741
Who gets to decide what job is worth luxery vouchers? Doesn't having a preferential labor go against the ppint of the time based system?
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