How the fuck do Republicans convince their dumbass voters to

>>136303309

It's considerably easier when the only real competition is trying to convince voters to forcibly whore out their children to rapefugees of peace.

I'M SILLY!!!!!!!!!

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>>136303309
The best thing about Obamaleaf is how increasingly hateful he has become over the months.

>>136303309
How can obamaleaf not have killed himself by now realizing that posting the same mentally ill rants have no effect on anyone here?

Keep supporting those pedos though.

>>136303538
I have never witnessed such a strong mental breakdown. We are seeing someone descend further and further into madness every single week.

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>>136303538
I've always hated right wing retards. I just never realized what billionaire globalist supercucks you are.

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>>136303538
>>136303565
>>136303626
lol all i did was post a thread

what is wrong with u retards?

why do u get so triggered by me?

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>>136303538
oh BOY, time for 60+ posts of mentally ill rants. I wonder what his mentally ill brain will come up with today!

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>>136303309
>republicans
both parties are essentially the fucking same, nothing changes when each get elected in.

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>>136303309
I don't think you understand that republicans do not work for minimum wage.

>>136303679
are you okay obamaleaf like memes aside I am actually worried for you
have you spoken to your father as of late?

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>>136303309
>the poor are too stupid to invest wisely
t. democrats

Unfortunately raising wages would hurt the middle class since everything would only get more expensive if you make 15+ an hour so that's why I'm against it.

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>>136303900
>expecting a mentally ill person to be ok

>>136303826
>this

>>136303309
Strawman argument. It's because we don't want handouts without hard work.

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>>136303900
I'm doing well. 100%.

Which would be 67% better than Trump is doing lol.

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>>136303826
this, anyone have the ben garrison image about both parties stepping on you and them exclaiming "ill vote differently" next time

>my mental illness is completely under control
Someone who loves pedophiles would say that eh skippy lover

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>>136304023
u elected a retard with dementia

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>>136304062
>>136303826
I agree, my fellow radical centrists!
Let's just call everyone stupid to show just how much better we are.

>>136303627
funny how they are proposing a hike on $5million+ bracket, isn't it?

This picture is implying that the only kind of business owner is an established Franchise mogul that rakes in 100 of millions.
Raising minimum wage fucks up local businesses and people trying to start up new business.

>>136304127
Leaf man you have gained an unhealthy obsession with trump and obama look man I called Kathy and she asked me to check on you
the election has been over now leaf it's been 9 months just let it go man

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>>136304199
>Someone who loves pedophiles would say that eh skippy lover


Wtf? I hate Trump actually.

>>136303309
32 USD an hour working on a raise to 36 USD. You are a retard.

>>136304127
We aren't here to belittle you
we are here to help you leaf it's become a big problem

I didn't elect anyone nor did I vote for either of the two shitters that the democrats and republicans put up. Next mentally ill attempt at an argument please obamaleaf

>>136303309
>their dumbass voters
I dont know anyone who is minimum wage, hell I dont even know anyone who's kids are minimum wage. Who the fuck are these losers you speak of that are only worth minimum wage?

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>>136304234
Who's they? 1 person with no real power in the WH and is just a figurehead to give the alt-right hope while Trump goes full billionaire globalist?

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Yo Trump's base is really fucking dumb yo

This is ((((((((((populist?))))))))))))))

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>>136304329
lol you're paid gop establishment billionaire globalist shills who hate it that i expose u

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>>136304363
Leaf just get it together man

>>136303461
This. You can't claim to represent the working class if you're importing hundreds of thousands of people each year that they're forced to compete with, and doing nothing to tackle existing poverty and youth unemployment.

Also, if you want to represent the worker then the best method is through fascist economic reform. Have people vote by occupation/industry instead of locality. This will better represent worker's interests, end regional conflict and end the culture of gibs.

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>>136304407
lol he actually said US wages are too high. what a globalist

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>>136304479
((((((((((((Trump)))))))))))))))))

>>136304420
You lost your job
kathy is gone
you dropped out and you haven't the room in 9 months
it's time to move on it's okay there is always next time and who knows maybe Tyrone can give kathy a session while you watch

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>>136304472
trump is the one flooding the country with more foreign workers

his base loves this shit

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>>136304541
lol larping this hard. you have legit mental illness bro

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>>136303679
we're not triggered, dumbfuck, we're laughting at you.
You asked us to explain your delusion. You made it up, explain it to yourself you brain-damaged manlet.

>>136303309
How do we get both parties to pay more for goods, so that we can in turn pay more for the workers who have produced them.

Also, day of the rope soon, race war now etc.

Saged

>>136303309

Slide thread, report and sage.

>>136304724
>we

>>136304363
Source?

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>he'll post 60+ replies in multiple threads over hours
>he'll sit there and think "heh, my reposted images showed them. Even though they are simply calling me mentally ill I'll prove them wrong by saying blumpf and right wing retard while I deflect every time"
>at the end of the night, when his mental illness is assuaged, he'll lie in bed thinking "damn, how can I always be right" while others go out to enjoy their saturday nights
What an autistic, pathetic existence

>>136303309
Here are some questions you need to find the answer to before posting again.

1. How are wages determined?

2. What causes wages to rise or fall?

The minimum wage is something that KILLS me about the (((right))).

The minimum wage is shit money. It's barely enough to afford a roof over your head - and responsibly affording any of the creature comforts of modern society is impossible. Note that I said "responsibly". People buy expensive shit even if they can't afford it or just probably shouldn't.

The minimum wage use to be a liveable wage - now it's piss money. To clarify: I make salary and have good health insurance. I'm not talking about myself. But I know a semi-shitty studio apartment in my city costs about $800/mo. Minimum wage CAN put you there...for more than half of your month's wages after tax.

It use to be factored at about 80% of the GDP per capita. It rose at that rate until about the 80's when trickle down economics came around. If it had risen along with inflation and the GDP, the minimum wage would be $15-17 (not doing the math, I'm on a tablet).

It would be one thing if only teenagers worked for minimum wage, but the reality is different.

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>>136304830
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan/full

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>>136304844
>being this obsessed with me

>>136304549
Those figures are nothing, but I agree that Trump is too moderate in his proposals. He doesn't have much choice though because the lobbyists and career politicians will knock any revolutionary reforms he proposes on the head, even if they have overwhelming public support. This is the great fault of modern democracy.

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>live in blue state
>$15 memewage enacted
>prices for fucking everything going up
>service workers getting hours cut
>economy starts stalling
>everyone is wondering why

>>136304871
You could have a livable wage if it wasn't for the multiculti madness and your democratic system, which grants too much power to lobbyists and big business. Diversity is like paying for a second military budget in of itself.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uha4fKKmo1c

>>136303309
>democrats
>free trade
>mass migration
>high wages
kys faggot

>>136304227
I'm not a centrist. I just don't fall for the democracy meme. Both parties on the political compass are pretty much right next to each other.

>>136303309
id take lower pay if they'd stop throwing my fucking applications in the garbage

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>>136303309

>>136303826
>both parties are essentially the fucking same
Gorsuch vs Ginsburg

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>>136304221
>believing polls after 2016

Obongoleaf is back? How are you doing man? Been awhile since you've shit up this board with your autistic ramblings. Since this thread is going swimmingly by your standards, I'll go ahead and link your twitter and reddit account. Hope you don't mind.

https://twitter.com/ObamaLeaf
https://www.reddit.com/user/OBAMA_LEAF

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>>136304871
Maybe the problem is rent seeking rather than the wages?

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>>136305164
Seattle is booming actually. They're down to 2.5% unemployment. The workers love the $15/hour min wage. The only people complaining are the billionaire globalist elites and their right wing retard conservashit useful idiot army

UW minimum-wage study doesn’t reflect reality of work in Seattle
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/uw-minimum-wage-study-doesnt-reflect-reality-of-work-in-seattle/


Remember when you shills promised me job losses? Funny how you've been told not to spout that lie anymore.

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>>136305500
Was this supposed to hurt me?

>>136304871
>The minimum wage use to be a liveable wage
it used to be 0

>>136305549
Do you have any data about rents? Wont landlords just siphon off whatever gains labor has made?

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>>136303309
Canadians aren't mentally fit for politics, kys.

>>136305626
Just wanted to let the people know where to find you when you're not here regurgitating the same arguments over, and over, and over again.

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>>136303309
>Implying the Democraps have done anything for middle class America.

And thanks Democucks for rolling out the welcome mat for all the low skill/low wage labor and driving wages into the ground for us!!!!

>>136305635
right wing retards are against livable wages

really makes you think

>in b4 another +100 post of this left wing leaf retard.

>>136305735
I have different arguments all the time. Most of the time I'm just debunking whatever bullshit you retards are spouting

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>>136303309

>>136305742
Nothing is stopping you from making more the minimum wage now

>>136303309
That cartoon would make more sense if it was Hillary at the top off the money mountain.

>>136303973

Proof or GTFO

>>136303309
you are trying too hard to troll, tone it back a bit

>>136304084
So I'm presuming you're against people inheriting massive fortunes and other luck of the draw based incomes then right?

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>>136305742
I literally hear ten year old kids puking that shit up to impress their friends with their 'knowledge'.
>right wind retards are against livable wages
No, get fucked cuck, you couldn't understand right wing beliefs if you had a fucking textbook of them.

>>136303309
Minimum wages, like all price and wage controls, price people out of the market. They distort the signals that a price is supposed to send and lead to inefficiencies.

>>136305798
>I have different arguments all the time.
You sure? You seemingly spam the same images and reply to your own posts multiple times and ignore data and information presented by opposing opinions. Your main argument is centered around the concept of the "right wing retard," which is a point you parrot multiple times in your 90+ replies while "invading right wing safe spaces." My particular favorite is when someone brings up the national debt and your response is "muh reagan"

>>136305923
Wages go in the cost of production
It will also increase the buying power of the lower class

>>136305164
No. You are just an idiot follower of talking heads and shills that work for billionaires. Not only do you know nothing about economics, you don't know jack shit about statistics and how they can be abused to demonstrate any particular viewpoint even if false.

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>>136305798
Debunking right wing jingos is a joke freindo perhaps you can debunk Georgism?

Free land is the only solutions to the inequity problem

As for the idea that increasing the Min. Wage will increase the buying power of workers and the increased demand for goods and services will create even more jobs, I doubt it.
Certainly it will lower land rent and the selling price of land. And, assuming that the workers then demand more goods and services than the landowners did, it could increase the activities of some existing factories and business that were not operating at full capacity. However, where there are long term leases or a mortgage, and the facilities are operating at full capacity, how could an increase in the Min. Wage increase productivity enough to compensate for significantly higher wages? Jobs are created by making land available for production. How will raising the Min. Wage get people to sell or put to use their valuable unused and under used land — which is necessary to create jobs?
Agreed, high-wage countries have much higher rates of employment. However, rather than employment being created by high wages, both could result from deterrents to land speculation. Even in countries with a high legal minimum wage, deterrents to land speculation could be (and in my opinion are) the reason for high rates of employment. If rates of employment could be increased by raising the Min. Wage, the Min. Wage could simply be increased until there was full employment. No other incentives would be necessary to encourage the use of land.

>>136303309
Taking more of my paycheck to give to niggers doesn't help my wages.

I fucking love ObamaLeaf threads, its like watching someone be me from 5 years ago when I didn't know fuck all about anything, poor guy just missed the whole Dark Enlightenment

>>136306119
>Wages go in the cost of production
So what. An increase in the pay of workers can come out of the asses of the CEO, upper management and stock holders.
>inb4 you start sucking corporate and wall street cocks
>>136306119
>increase the buying power of the lower class
That is the point you cock sucker.
Why is it so hard for people like you to imagine pulling all those corporate and wall street cocks out of your mouth? You really like the taste that much or what?

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>>136306077
Right wing beliefs are entirely about serving the billionaire globalist elites and massive corporations.

>>136305549
It's not unemployment, it's loss of hours worked, which has been shown in a study conducted by UW.

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/uw-study-finds-seattles-minimum-wage-is-costing-jobs/
http://www.nber.org/papers/w23532

And I wasn't talking about Seattle in any case, as the Amazon boom there is carrying everyone else along. I live in Oregon, which has been slowing since the memewage started going into effect. The state itself says that it will cost 40k jobs, and that doesn't take into account cuts in hours.

But as usual with you, I'm sure that you'll ignore reality.

>>136306102
Funny how you're the one spouting the same old bullshit. I don't ignore anything, I directly reply to u retards. Why do u even bother trying to spout that blatant lie? And if I'm so repetitive, when was the last time I posted this exact thread? With that title and pic. Go ahead I'll wait...

>>136305549
Was the wage increase only for businesses with 50-100+ employers or was it for small businesses as well? I think James Galbraith has the right idea with a 12$ federal wage

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Trump likes when things trickle down.
So should you.

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>>136306546
You know what, I think you're just farming (you)'s.

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>>136306665
That study has already been debunked so many times. It was deeply flawed. Notice how the workers aren't complaining? They love the $15/hour min wage.

It's only billionaire globalists and their right wing retard useful idiots complaining about higher wages for workers.

When the labor market tightens to 2.5% unemployment, employers must offer full time and better benefits.

That's why your owners hate a tight labor market more than anything.

When conservashits fight this hard against a higher min wage, you know it's a good thing for workers.

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>>136306799
i dont even care about yous

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>>136306837
keep on ignoring the elephant in the room. The true cause of inequity in our world is the land monopoly and until you embrace a full land value tax your just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic

>>136306723
>I think James Galbraith has the right idea with a 12$ federal wage
That would be fair as long as it is indexed to inflation.

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>>136306520
>Dark Enlightenment
Rather be a naive teen who jacks off to Marx than your average /pol/ autist in his twenties turning to whatever subculture is most offensive to normies to express his impotent rage.

"Dark Enlightenment" corporate syncophant cunts + youtube generation have turned this entire site to fucking shit

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>>136307012
What about a wealth tax?

Right wing retards will oppose it because it would hurt the billionaire globalist elites that conservashits worship, serve and obey

>even hard-left economists understand why a minimum wage is stupid

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/liberal-groups-chief-warned-clinton-campaign-about-15-wage/article/2604189

Go read your Friedman and Hayek, kiddos

>>136303565
It's either this or trap thread over on b

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>>136307108
you jew haters dont get a monopoly on hating neoclassical economics

fuck your subversive ways

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>>136307171
without a LVT scheme its pretty much meaningless

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>>136307317
Obama imposed the harshest Wall Street regulations since FDR. Regulations that Trump and the GOP are undoing so they can crash the economy again like they always do

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>>136307282
You're retarded, the minimum wage is promoted by some of the smartest economists in the nation

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/15-minimum-wage-petition?inline=file

Min wage increases and Corp tax increases are the only way we can un-Jew this country retard

>>136307423
How would a wealth tax be meaningless? 5% on any wealth over say $100M

Why would you want to raise the minimum wage? A few possibilities:

1. Minimum-wage workers are worth more than we pay them. That is a meaningless statement; labor, like apples and oranges and widgets, is worth what you can sell it for. If you believe that we have a large supply of low-wage workers who are secretly more skilled and productive than they let on, you have to assume that everybody in the question — the workers, their employers, their employers’ competitors — has somehow overlooked that fact, but that our ingenious friends in Washington have special insight into the conditions of people they have never met and markets they have never operated in. That’s fanciful.

>>136307550

2. Slight variation: You might want to raise the minimum wage because you think that markets can set prices for most things but not prices for labor. This is contrary to pretty much all of the economic evidence in existence on the question, so maybe you want to refine that and argue instead that markets may do a pretty good job of setting prices for labor, but they don’t do a good job of setting prices for labor when those laborers are at the lower end of the market. Another way of saying this is that you believe that low-income people are too stupid and hopeless to negotiate appropriate, market-value wages for themselves, and that the vast majority of businesses that employ minimum-wage labor are operated by people too stupid to see that there’s a lot of higher-value labor out there for the taking that they are simply too thick to avail themselves of. But that isn’t really an argument for a higher minimum wage; it’s an argument for a more generous food-stamp program. It’s sort of uncomfortable to argue that low-income people are too stupid to see after themselves, but that is, after all, the assumption behind things like Medicaid and Section 8 housing vouchers and food stamps — if low-income people could be trusted to make appropriate choices about things like health care and housing, we could just give them money and let them make their own decisions about whether they need an extra $1 in health care or an extra $1 in groceries. In any case, it’s not likely that that millions of low-income people are too dumb and shiftless to seek higher wages but are smart and enterprising enough to compete for those higher-wage positions.

>>136307317
This is money laundering or a payment for something like child trafficking.

>>136306837
Yeah I'm sure that your heavily biased propaganda farm in that pic did a great job with debunking that study.

The billionaire globalists barely give a shit about the minimum wage, because they can afford to take the impact of the increase, automate, or even push labor onto the customers with shit like self-checkout. If anything, it helps them by putting greater pressure on small businesses, both from increasing wages and increasing payroll taxes. Maybe that's why they're the ones funding the organizations that are pushing for $15 so much.

As for the workers, they're not impressed: http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2017/07/oregon_minimum_wage_hike.html

>>136307592
3. You might want to raise the minimum wage because you think that low-income people “should” make more money. The word “should,” however, has no meaning at all when it comes to questions of prices — if tomorrow people start paying more for Hyundais than for Ferraris, are we going to lecture them that the Ferrari “should” cost more? People assign their own values to things, and your opinion of the value they assign does not change anything about that. An hour of Bob’s labor is not more valuable just because you really, really wish it were so — if you really believed it were worth more, Bob would be working for you.

4. Maybe you think that raising the minimum wage is effectively “free.” That’s what is meant when people cite studies alleging that increases in the minimum wage do not cause higher unemployment or contribute to higher prices. That may be true in some narrowly defined circumstances; to be broadly true, it would have to be the case that higher prices do not correlate with lower demand — i.e., that everything we know about basic economics is wrong — and that prices of goods and services are not in the long run affected by the prices of inputs, which is contrary to common experience. Perhaps you also expect the price of gasoline to go down when the price of oil is going up — which very well may happen in the short term, but is less likely in the long term. And the “free” model of the minimum wage of course ignores what an increase would cost employers, but, thankfully, nobody cares about them.

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>>136307539
silly goy, corporations that make billions in profits need tax cuts! why? because it'll trickle down!

>>136307630
5. Maybe you think the working poor deserve to have more money. If that’s your argument, then the most sensible policy is to simply write them checks. If you want to increase the purchasing power of low-income people who are employed, then you should give them money rather than trying to distort the labor markets in such a way as to get the money to them through indirect means with unintended consequences, including the possibility of higher unemployment. Nobody proposes this (or rather, proposes expanding our existing program that does this, the EITC), because nobody wants the cost of these subsidies to be known. If we wrote poor people checks (more checks), then that would show up on a budget somewhere; if we pass a law saying that other people, mostly firms in the private sector, have to write those checks, they don’t show up on the budget (the government budget, that is, the one we do together). And if they don’t show up on the budget, then that reinforces the illusion that this is effectively “free.”

6. Maybe you think that if we “gave” low-income people more money, then they would spend that money, stimulating the economy. No doubt they would; on the other hand, their employers would have spent that money, too, perhaps on things like hiring other people or expanding lines of business or developing new products. There is not much evidence that money spent by low-income people is more stimulating in the long run than is money spent by businesses.

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>>136304523
>>136304588

>>136307550
>1. Minimum-wage workers are worth more than we pay them

Thats your first mistake, this will either prompt businesses to hire better more skilled workers, or install machines (which is unlikely)

It would also get lazy niggers, spics, and white trash out of the work force
https://fee.org/articles/the-eugenics-plot-of-the-minimum-wage/

>>136303309
>he hasn't been redpilled on minimum wage.

Jewish economics man will help you out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk

>>136307633
/pol/ is filled with fucking retards dude, they're saying trump the kike puppet created all the jobs this year when Obama's fiscal year hasn't even ended yet

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>>136307805
>dude
>kike puppet
>haha im above all these sheeple i see through dem jews lies
Can fucking smell semen stained shirt and grease stained fedora through the screen

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>>136307460
>Defending a corporate cock sucker.
Tsk tsk tsk.

>>136307723
Doesn't matter what those dumb kikes vote for, Obama was the one who said fuck israel. Trump is the one whos kissing their ass and has jewish kids!

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>>136307805
Yep it's hilarious how hard Trump is trying to take credit for Obama's accomplishments

>>136303309
The real redpill is that both parties want to lower wages. Democrats via unchecked immigration and outsourcing. Republicans via tax cuts and benefit cuts. The workingman is effectively dead in this Luciferian-run world. Who knows whether he'll be back, in this century or the next?

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>>136307723

>>136303309
>increase minimum wage
>kills upward mobility since lower/middle class can't start businesses anymore
wtf I thought it would fix EVERYTHING

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>>136303309
They don't. All you have to do is get libshits to allow women and illegal immigrants into the workplace and voila, instant lowering of wages! It's called supply and demand, look it up.

>>136303309
>not understanding how the minimum wage works

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>>136307925
Obama imposed regulations on them and then raised their taxes. Including the cap gains tax which Republicans are always trying to cut for their donors.

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>>136307913
Fuck off retard, you sound like the other economically illiterate trailer trash trying to defend trump in this thread

>>136307931
you're trying too hard there, obamaleaf.

>>136307980
I see shilling has evolved to become more effective. But alas, the shills are always too late with the right memes. Smearing Trump as a Zionist would've worked great back in 2015 before pol decided to adopt him. Now it's pointless.

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>>136308082
>being this mentally ill, retarded and paranoid

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>>136308082
>>136308115
>this is how redditors argue
o i am laffin

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>>136308054
>communist flag
>calling anyone else economically illiterate

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>>136308115
oy vey

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>>136303309
>Market manipulation
>Higer wages
Pick one leaf
Shitpost more

>>136304363
Okay you realize that in order for businesses to stay in America they need tax cuts. Right now they are going to other countries to enjoy tax cuts and siphoning the wealth out of the country. Taxing them will force them to leave which will leave the public in further disarray.

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>>136303309
You answered it yourself. Because they are dumbass voters.

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>>136308225
newfag: the post

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>>136308262
here take this image and put it in the top right corner

>>136308244
Why are you trying to shill on me? I'm literally talking in the meta-cognitive frame. That's like trying to punch a man with arms over his face.

>>136308189
>>136308199
>getting this triggered
>having a total meltdown
Did I strike a nerve, leaf? Sad that you have to use a proxy to make it look like you have supporters.

>>136308286
Almost like corporations have no allegiance to any particular country.

Maybe u right wing retards should stop being such billionaire globalist supercucks?

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>>136307723
Somebody better help them

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>>136308476
I take it as a compliment that u retards think I'm a god than can type 500 wpm and flip proxies

I laugh at your paranoia and absolute delusion that anyone who disagrees with u must be me. Keep thinking I am everywhere. You only make me stronger in your tiny deluded brain.

I don't use a commie flag. I'm not a commie.

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>>136307980
Explain this please:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-members-of-the-114th-congress

>>136308596
keep sperging

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>>136303309
Sage

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>>136308050
And that makes it okay for him to rake in their dough why?

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>>136308594
lol didn't trump lose a billion in the middle of the Clinton economic boom?

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>>136308366
>lefty pol calling anyone a newfag
Try not to suck any dicks on your way back there

>>136308596
True or false: As prices go up, demand goes down

nice shitpost

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>>136308683
Explain this please:

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>>136303627
>Be leaf, care about American politics to the point where suicide is a solution
Why do you care about us, or what we do? Shouldn't you be welcoming rapeugess and fucking dogs???

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>>136307931
>not promoting the nation of Israel so that the Jews and Arabs will be in a constant state of war, killing each-other

4D chess, m8.

>>136303309
1 week of economics classes and you will understand why a higher minimum wage is bad

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>>136308755
After office. He has no power.

Trump is serving his Wall Street owners from inside the White House.

>>136308787
Damn did he have to pawn any of his planes, his 150 million dollar jet or any of his choppers? It must have been tough, poor guy

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>>136308683
It's because conservatives already shill for Israel so they're trying to take over the democratic party too. Real democrat policies like helping white worker wages and taxing the rich (half of all income earners 100k and over are Jews >>136307539 ) don't help kikes you retard

>>136308838
not necessarily

Prices can go up and demand increase even more. There are other variables in play.

inb4 ECON101 retard

>>136308896
4D chess, see: >>136308944

>>136303309
Republicans are half classical liberals, half classical conservative. They are mutts. Socially conservative and economically classically liberal; with tons of inbreeding in between different sects like religious christian zealots. They are obstructionists who are owned by corporate donors and do their bidding, like lowering taxes and removing beneficial social programs that help millions of people for pennies from their paychecks.

They convince their voters by telling them if they lower taxes, they will earn more money. They tell them that if you lower YOUR wage, other things will be cheaper. Which is just not true. Democrats having sought to actually raise the minimum wage in years; and they can't every time they actually do. They are complicit in this as well.

tl;dr Republicans are stupid economically and so are Democrats. THey convince their bases through lying about how lower wages would make items cheaper, which is not true whatsoever.

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>>136309047
he had to pawn his boat lol

brb

>>136309094
please provide an example. also, your 'other variables' won't obtain over the long run. eventually economic reality will assert itself.

>>136309048
Democrat whites like Pelosi fill the country with millions of beaners. The new Dems are globalist, and snobbishly cosmopolitan.

The Jim Webbs have all been cucked out of existence. Jim had yellow fever anyway.

>>136307960
>Jew-run world.
Ftfy.

The solution is simple, if you want the working man to come back.
>Take care of the (((problem)))

I earn 45 an hour in Australia and can't afford a decent house. 30 percent of my income goes to taxes not included taxes we pay on goods.

>>136304363
How are people who earn less than 1 million going to save 1 million on taxes?

Of course the top 0.1% save that fucking much on taxes when they earn infinitely more.

>>136303461
FPBP

>>136303309
by lowering costs of living

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>>136309251
Obviously there is a price point high enough where demand will decrease. Just like there is a wage high enough where it will impact employment levels. But Seattle has proven that $15/hour is below that point.

Right wing retards are honestly just useful idiots who have been programmed their entire lives by their billionaire globalist masters to work for as little as possible so that the elites can have it all.

Right wing retards fight against higher wages for American workers at every turn.

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>>136309435
>Of course the top 0.1% save that fucking much on taxes when they earn infinitely more.

Of course Trump's tax plan will benefit the wealthy elites!

Lol nice argument retard. That's my argument.

>>136309551
why didn't you give me an example of a situation where price increases and demand also increases?

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>>136304472
>>136304549
The Dems voted for TPP, and shilled for Mexicans and immigrants more than any Republican.

Pro-Democrat, anti-Trump news and (((comedy))) shows actively shat-on Trump's trade protectionist and anti-immigration polices night after night since his inauguration.

>>136309650
Canadian housing market. Prices were rising for years and demand kept increasing.

Seriously how retarded are you?

>>136309551
>>136309624
>this

>>136309669
Actually wasn't it mostly Republicans that voted for TPP in Congress?

>>136303309
Oh hey Obamaleaf is back, haven't seen you in awhile. Did you read that list I sent you?

>>136303309

Obamaleaf is antisemitic.

>>136309816
IDK, but Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, and Reid all supported it.

They also made Congressmen go to a secret location to be able to read it.

I make more than minimum wage, so an min wage increase comes from my pocket.

>>136309816
the fast track vote of course I'm referring to

>>136309769
Don't you support Trudeau?

>>136309769
Was demand increasing because of a price increase? What caused demand to decrease?

>>136308997
>Serving billionaire elites and massive corporations is bad on principle.
>Except if Obama's the one who's doing it, then he can do speeches for corporate advertisers and line is pockets with Wall Street money all he wants because he isn't in office lol.

Is doublethink a side effect of Obama cum addiction?

>>136309816
Nah, it was mainly Obama's people, many Neocons as well but mainly Obama's.

>>136309915
you mean Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell

>>136310005
Nah it was mostly Republicans.

>>136309990
Reminds me of this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/specialreports/solyndra-scandal/

>>136309982
lol u already got eradicated

just stop

>True or false: As prices go up, demand goes down >>136308838

>>136309094

I gave you an instance where prices rose but so did demand.

you ECON101 retards need to pull your heads out of your asses and live in the real world

>>136310053

Yeah and Trump supporters dislike more than half of the "republicans" in Congress

>>136309954
>>136310014
>>136310053
you're killin em left and right.

>>136310179
Answer this: >>136309979

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>>136309990
What part of Obama enacting the harshest Wall Street regulations since FDR did u not understand?

Regulations that Trump and the GOP can't wait to repeal because the only reason u right wing retards exist is to serve your Wall Street masters

>>136310179
Do you think demand would have been higher or lower if prices had stayed the same, rather than rising?

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>>136310297
>>136309979
I support Trudeau fucking Ivanka's brains out.

Something her daddy failed and tried to do for decades.

>>136309883
no what list?

>>136310053
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership#United_States
The senate majority leader (R) withheld voting on it until after the 2016 elections.

What you're thinking of was the vote to fast track it (which was indeed Republican's voting).

>>136310320

You mean me getting more wealth?

I'm up in my investments substantially the last couple of months.

Not my fault you want to me a poor fucker.

>>136303309
The same way liberals get niggers to vote for them...... oh wait. you're a leaf. hahahahaha

>>136310462

To be*

>>136310053
https://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-makes-last-ditch-push-for-vote-on-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-1473804821

>The Obama administration is enlisting business leaders in a last-ditch effort to win Republican support for its signature Pacific trade agreement after the election.

Kek.

>>136310327
Prices went up
Demand went up

Do you admit you're retarded?

You econ101 retards are honestly my favorite. You're so fucking dumb. You think real life abides by 2 lines on a graph. X

>>136303309
How the fuck do democrats convince their dumbass voters to keep raising taxes?
>>136310272
You need to revise your definition of "killin em"

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>>136310462
>>136310515
Thanks Obama!

>>136310546
the 1 thing Republicans were willing to work with him on. Really makes u think

>>136309624
I was just referring to these types of graphs which people will fling around.

Even if my taxes were halved I would still only save a couple thousand a year, whereas cutting a mega-corporations taxes by .5% would probably still have them saving more than me.

But put it on a graph and it is a low-intelligence "argument" that will be shared indefinitely.

On the topic of wages I think it just depends on living costs and services. I know that someone earning half my paycheck in America is probably better off than me, they might even be paying off a house. Our living costs and goods cost way more.

I don't think it's as easy as artificially inflating wages, you need to readjust prices for goods and services to match.

>>136310574
Why won't you answer my question?

>>136303461
/thread

>>136310433
http://freedomoutpost.com/1063-documented-examples-of-barack-obamas-lying-lawbreaking-corruption-cronyism-hypocrisy-waste-etc/

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>>136310396
Then you're obviously a cuck who doesn't care about white nationalism.

You only pretend to be anti-Jew or anti-immigration in order to get right-wingers on /pol/ to accept more leftist ideology.

You know full well you would be okay with letting 6 gorillian more Somalians into your province, as long as you got a bigger NEETbux check from Weed Man.

>>136310320
You mean the same Wall Street masters that Obama is taking half a million from? Your question is irrelevant. Answer this question for me, Obamaleaf. Is taking money from billionaire elites and large corporations to financially benefit yourself a good thing or a bad thing in your eyes?

>>136310676
I did.

prices went up
demand went up

why don't u just admit that i debunked your retardation and educated your autism?

>>136310763
That wasn't my question. This was my question:

>Do you think demand would have been higher or lower if prices had stayed the same, rather than rising?

>>136310320

that's right. He should kill the FED !
the most criminal system and the biggest trick EVER played on mankind.

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>>136310725
You think a Jewish billionaire globalist elite cares about white nationalism?

>>136310763
>demand went up
Says who?

>>136310763
Based Obama Lead.

Long time no see

>>136310652
You say that, yet it's Trump's fault when Democrats and McCain/Graham refuse to pass his immigration resctriction bills.

Dems are a cuck party who want to let-in as many Mexican gang members as possible. Funnily enough, they mostly stat in big blue cities and rob/kill left-wingers there.

>>136303826
Exactly right, which is why Trump is your last hope.

There will never be an independent with less chance of having raped/killed kids ever being elected in the near future.

>>136310868
>Jewish
Yes, yes he would.

>>136310821
Answer my question: Can prices rise and demand go up?

>True or false: As prices go up, demand goes down >>136308838

>>136309094 (You)

>>136310885
hey buddy

>>136303309
My problem with jacking up the minimum wage is that it doesn't bring up everyone's wages. All it does is bring up the wage for the bottom tier earners into that of associate's degree level professionals and tradesmen.

Fuck you if you think a fucking burger flipping kid should be making as much as a machine operator or a veterinary technician. Jacking up the minimum wage doesn't help these people, it just devalues their skills. That's a bigger problem then ensuring Laquavious can work at Burger King forever and never aspire to anything greater.

All jacking up the minimum wage is doing is showing people that they can skirt by without doing better than the bare minimum, hence why everyone on the right is against it. McDonald's should be a job you work at while you're getting through school or when you're in between something better, it shouldn't be something you are in any way, shape, or form comfortable with staying in.

Keep wages in shit jobs shitty. If you don't like it, fucking try like everyone else.

>>136310885
I know right? I have the fear Mummy poster will return any day now.

>>136303309
it's called fractional reserve lending, without a central bank people won't allow export of over 35% of what they produce without revolt, but with a central bank people will export 95% of what they produce, in exchange for nothing

>>136304227
It's nothing to do with left and right wing, it's to do with who has these people in their pockets.

>>136310956
Why are you still avoiding the question? Is it because you know that you're wrong?

>Do you think demand would have been higher or lower if prices had stayed the same, rather than rising?

>>136310879
TREB

>>136310868
No, not most of them anyway. I don't intentionally support them, just tangentionally, due to the US having a shitty bipartians dichotomy.

I would be in favor of publicly executing the entire CEO board of Goldman Sachs, but that's not likely to happen.

>>136303627
That's not an argument, try again.

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>>136311023
Lol I answered your question you retard.

You asked

>True or false: As prices go up, demand goes down >>136308838

here >>136309094

Did you think that as prices rise, demand auto falls?

Lol u econ101 retard AHAHAHAHA

ah well, i heard a good one today. the implication was that trump was the rick guy and Hillary was a average middle class person. only reason i watch the news.

>>136303826
I'm so glad I'm not the only fucker that sees it

>>136311040
http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/toronto-housing-demand-slides-as-sales-drop-most-in-eight-years/wcm/29c73be8-6c45-495d-9768-902ab5e2b3c3

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>>136303309
>Via 9gag.com

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>>136311071
>I would be in favor of publicly executing the entire CEO board of Goldman Sachs, but that's not likely to happen.

u really want to execute Trump's Cabinet and closest advisors?

>>136310885
>Communist Kike View

>>136311140
How about you answer this question?

>Do you think demand would have been higher or lower if prices had stayed the same, rather than rising?

>>136311195
Yes, I think they should be executed.

>>136311195
Answer my question.
>>136310757
Is it good or bad as a matter of principle in your eyes?

>>136311185
AHAHAHHAHA i knew one of u demented retards would btfo yourselves

u realize that prices were rising for years and demand kept going up right?

which was precisely my point

seriously what is wrong with u retards? what mental illness do u have?

it's like u retards can't even think

>>136311142
really the news is hilarious most the time.

>>136305413
This fucking homo believes what he wants, not what is real. I thought I was gonna come in here and have a conversation about why jacking up the burger-flipper-wage is a stupid idea and I just see this little bitch trolling. Yet another gay as fuck leaf bitch.

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>>136311272
I don't mind Obama taking their money after he btfo them when he was in office, raising their taxes and regulating them

Why is Trump serving Wall Street from inside the WH?

>>136303627
nice projecting. I can see the Jewish trickery is strong in you

>>136310868
Also, your post is a deflection.

This post is also a deflection: >>136310652

>>136305589
And you obviously have no idea how presidential elections work in America. The electoral college ensures that liberal as fuck NYC and Los Angeles don't dominate EVERY election.

Just get back into your cabin in the woods or whatever the fuck it is you do in Canada, and get back to prepping for the coming winter... Your stupid ass input isn't worth its weight in dirt.

>>136311297
And sales, conflated with demand are now sliding back to recession levels.

That is not good. The demand was only ever increased artificially by opening up to international markets, we're doing the same and it is impossibly shitty.

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68 posts brb retards u got btfo hard

some things never change

>>136311455
House approves fast-track 218-208, sending bill to Senate
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/245417-house-approves-fast-track-218-208-sending-bill-to-senate

>>136311529
>Do you think demand would have been higher or lower if prices had stayed the same, rather than rising?

>>136311516
Do u admit that prices and demand can rise simultaneously? Cause that's my point.

The reason Republicans wan tax cuts for higher earners and businesses is in hopes that they will start new businesses and provide jobs. When you tax them too high they leave and then workers are making nothing because the business would rather operate without the burden of heavy taxes. It isn't because of the rich that Republicans support it's because these people want more jobs in the us and that wont happen if the rich and businesses are taxed too much.

>>136308262
should gather more data on south american flags other than Arg and brazilniggers.

>>136311581
>fast-track
And then was stalled by the senate majority leader (R) until after the 2016 election and dropped after Trump's election.

>>136311405
Why did Obama use TARP funds to buy Goldman Sachs bonds?

Really makes me think.

>>136303309
>wanting to keep your own money is greed
>wanting to take someone elses is virtue

what fucking planet to liberals come from?

>>136311638
Will you make/enter another thread, friend?

>>136311671
>le job creators meme

I thought we already moved on from that phase. you need to keep your talking points more updated

>>136311405
So you really are saying that it's okay for someone to line their pockets with corporate and billionare elite money as long as Obama's the one who's doing it.

At least you admit to your doublethink.

>>136311638
Do you admit that, holding other factors constant, demand for something at price 2x will necessarily be lower than demand at price point x?

>>136311638
Never said they don't it just means you're increasing the markets you're selling to (overseas property magnates).

What you are having is fewer mortages and domestic owners instead having very little traffic in properties through international businessmen, so while on paper there is 'more demand' and ludicrous prices none of that money is staying.

>>136303826
Ninth post best post.
Fuck democracy and fuck leftists.

>>136311791
>Jewish Communist View
>"I'm a nationalist who supports globalist communism!"

>>136311886
You need to differentiate between domestic and international demand, so by expanding the markets they have to sell to they can technically achieve higher demand and higher prices, but it's excluding too many people and removing the profits from the area.

Basically it's like allowing property developers to run section 8 housing in coon town.

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>Giving attention to a desperately pathetic R*dditor who cannot exist without some form of internet identity
You all suck as much as this LARPer does. The lot of you would be better suited rotting in /b/ with the other subhumans.

>>136303309
>How the fuck do Republicans convince their dumbass voters to work for lower wages?

They didn't, low wage workers voted for obama, that didn't work, they tried the other guy.
Let's face it, obama sold out the working class. Here's your healthcare, now I can move on to the goldman sach's policy.

>>136312203
>He doesn't know Obama Leaf.

He's like the only notable thing out of Canada, been here semi frequently for years.

>>136312140
No, you really don't. For any given good, demand will be higher at a lower price, all other things being equal.

By increasing the value of the dollar.

>>136303309
>Raise Minimum Wage to $15/hr
>Have to cut back on hours to maintain upkeep

OP if you worked any job than just sucking off Trudeau or shilling for anyone, you would know that businesses have a payroll and can only work within a certain set of resources that they have. Money doesn't magically come out of thin air, that leads to inflation and the intrinsic value of it becomes worthless, this means the money becomes worthless due to it having no value.

>>136311700
I swear to god u right wing retards actually enjoy getting btfo by me

Senate approves fast-track, sending trade bill to White House
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/246035-senate-approves-fast-track-sending-trade-bill-to-white-house

>>136312318
From what I've seen he's no different than a namefag save the fact he doesn't use a trip. Giving (You)'s to such a pathetic creature is beyond contemptible

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>>136311808
Why do u retards larp like you care about Wall Street when the only reason you're allowed to exist is to serve your Wall Street owners?

Everyone laughs at you right wing retard conservashits for being nothing more than useful idiots for the wealthy elites

>>136307980
You mind if I screencap all your anti-semitism and report it to the mods on the subs you frequent?

>>136312389
well yeah, all other things being equal.

But when all other things aren't equal (the ability to save, wages, deregulation and incentives to foreigners etc) you do need to differentiate between international and domestic demand.

although you're right they'd have ridiculous demand if the prices suddenly got slashed.

>>136311791
meh probably not. this place bores me. it's just the same old right wing billionaire globalist shills. i come on here mostly to see what the russian shills are programming the right wing retards to believe. like this latest mc master thing

>>136311886

>True or false: As prices go up, demand goes down >>136308838


Answer your own question.

I answered it. >>136309094

>>136312594
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-tpp-mcconnell-idUSKCN1102CM

Fast track voting means they vote yes/no with no alterations allowed. They voted for that and promptly sat on it and waited for the next president.

>>136312140
The housing market was just 1 example off the top of my head. There are plenty others. Gas prices would be another.

I guess u econ101 tards haven't gotten to the chapter on elasticity of demand yet LOL

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>>136312677
Explain this please:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Krueger

>On March 7, 2009, he was nominated by President Barack Obama to be United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for economic policy.[1]

>Krueger grew up in a Jewish family[6] in Livingston, New Jersey, and graduated from Livingston High School in 1979.[7

>>136312883
He's going to deflect it and then say something about Trump being Jewish.

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>>136312700
Highlighting the Zionism of America's first Jewish President is not anti-semitic

>>136312677
Answer this question. Did Obama serve Wall Street and their wealthy elites when he agreed to take half a million dollars to speak at their forum that they invited him to?

>>136312809
Work with me here, obamaleaf, you might learn something. Let's say that some other factor (as you alluded to earlier) is driving demand up for Product X.

Scenario 1: Producers of Product X don't change their prices at all.

Scenario 2: Producers of Product X increase their prices.

Now, here's the question that I want you to answer. In which of the above scenarios would demand be higher?

>>136303627
So what? We should just outlaw being a billionaire? Gtfo of here commie degenerate

>>136312952
/pol/ has basically become "pass the Jew" now.

>>136312677
Reject the exploitative elite, left or right. It doesn't matter. Socialists understand this, we should too.

>>136312992
>>136312992
>like clockwork

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>>136312883
>>136312883
Where did I ever say that there were no Jewish people in the entire Obama Executive Branch?

Doesn't change the fact that Obama was tough on Israel. That's why u Trumpshits hated him so much.

>>136312952
what did his post have to do with anything?

You retards are getting btfo so hard by me that you're just splerging random shit and saying "explain this please" and u think u have an argument

>>136312882
I've said it before it's because they're tapping into new markets, eventually they'll run out of markets to tap into and the true cost of inflated prices will become apparent.

>>136303679
Because you are a shit Canadian that probably doesn't work and benefits from our welfare state.

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>>136313019
No. He was already out of office. Like I said, Obama raised taxes on the rich and regulated Wall Street. That's why u right wing retards hated him so much

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>>136312992

>>136303309
Still doesn't understand how economics works. Stay an entertaining rage leaf for our amusement forever.

>>136313153
>b-but obama wasn't a jew
>h-he didn't hire jews
>l-l-let me deflect some more