Otto von Bismarck

>>136277313
Was a very capable man, but he had a weak-ass moustache

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My nigga

>>136277313
he introduced (((social))) policies to Germany, like ((((socialized healthcare))))

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>>136277313
I reckon we would be proper-fucked if present Germany had anybody of his caliber to guide it's destiny.
I respect him, despite his attitude against us polaks

>>136277313
>>136278022
What's with the blade runner suit?

bump, i want more kraut opinions on this man

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>>136278901
We all have enemies we respect. For us Americans it was the Japanese in WWII. The true soldiers who give fright to any who challenge them.

Nope, he was an enabler of Wilhelm worst personality traits because Bismarck thought he could control him by playing to his vanity. This meanwhile alienated the young crown prince from his uncle Edward VII. When Wilhelm became Kaiser, he banished his English mother (Edward's sister,) botched the alliance with Russia (the czar was married to Edward's sister in law) and managed to make France even more wary.

Ultinately, Wilhelm's inability to get along with his uncle lead to the breakdown in relations between the two European superpowers that directly lead to WWI. And it was all Bismarck's fault.

>>136277313

Great.

>>136281409
>american education

>>136277313
Bad

the best our people has to offer

>>136277313
Talented and intelligent man. Should be respected on that basis.

Partly responsible for the shitshow Europe has become today, so I have mixed feelings on that front.

>>136277313
Too good for his retarded countrymen. They pissed all his efforts away not even a full generation after his passing.

>>136277313
It's also a damn shame the Three Emperors Alliance never happened.

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He was a big guy

>>136285779
That's not Bismarck leaf

>>136285779
This is luddendorf you fucking retarded leaf
Go fuck some dogsand stop posting

He was like Prince Metternich on crack. His military and diplomatic dexterity is unmatched in 19th century Europe. He held the sometimes tenuous balance of power together by virtue of his own will and ambition, and fought hard for his nation wherever he could. One of the greatest Germans. Shame he was dethroned by that cuck Wilhelm.

>>136285779
This has to be b8

>didnt like cucktolicks, altough was a fedoracuck
>didnt like anglokikes and never relaxed around der Polacke
>recognized the power of not being Russias enemy
>traditional conservative patriot monarchist, true son of Germany
>genius Statesman and protector of his people
>honest, upstanding no bullshit type person: author of thd famous Blood and Steel quote
>author of numerous nevsr before seen groundbreaking social policies that improved the lives of his people a hundredfold


Truly the Greatest German to ever grace our Fatherland , along with Arminius the Cherusker and partly (cuz hes Frenchie's too)Karl Great (Charlemagne)


Too bad you have to witness our demise from the Heavens now,Ironfather

>>136286253
*wasnt a fedoracuck

>>136286253
>>honest, upstanding no bullshit type person: author of thd famous Blood and Steel quote

This. This is the best part of his legacy. It is as true today as when it was spoken.

>>136277313
Germany was a mistake. Bismarck was the beginning of our end

>>136286166
no, this is Hindenburg you faggot

>>136277313
Inept leader but he loved his people. His father was the real deal. He's the one who made Germany Great Again

>>136286253
>Karl Great
Checks history books

Karel de Grote was belgian, fucking krauts. Stop we wuzzing

>>136286482
Lol
fucking American education

>>136277313
He's largely to blame for the situations that led up to WW1, primarily by threatening British economic power, making a rival of France, and threatening Russia by leaving two massive German empires on their western border.

>>136286253
He wasn't atheist

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>>136277313

>>136277313
His autobiography's pretty amusing. Every thing he does is like "So I messed around with this idea for a bit and...GREAT THINGS HAPPENED"

>>136286715
>He's largely to blame for the situations that led up to WW1

No, he was dismissed by Wilhelm I before the run up started.

>>136286758
Yes thats what i said

i misspelled and corrected

>>136287177
Wilhelm II*
hardly anyone here knows shit about this

>>136277313
Statist. All the real independent germans moved to the US while he was in power.

>>136286580
>was a bwlgian
Lel
Belgians dont exist just like ukrainians

its made up bullshit of real parts of real countties like france and germany

karls was a frank, a germanic tribe

period

>>136277313
Literally the original "Why didn't you listen, you could have prevented this"

> Dear Deutschland: don't fight wars on two fronts, otherwise you will be A OK
> flash forward to WWI
> loses on two fronts

>flash forward to WWII
> loses on two fronts

> flash forward to WWIII
> loses on two fronts (USA and Russia, again)

>>136281409

Please be understanding of this burger. Common core is to blame.

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https://twitter.com/PepeBismarck

>>136277313
Old whore.

>>136281409
>It was Bismarck's fault for handing a shiny new empire to Wilhelm who broke it like a petulant child because he wouldn't listen to Bismarck

Nah if anything is to blame it's retard monarchs getting pegged into leadership positions just because of who their mommy and daddy were.

>>136287718
Don't forget the "WW1 will be caused by some damnable thing from the baltics"

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>>136277313
Bad

>Thanks to him the French intervention in Mexico didn't lasted as he threatened Napoleon's III regime in France
>Thus provoking the retreat of French forces in Mexico leading to the fall of the second Mexican imperial regime leaving Mexico under a dictatorial republic working as a vassal of the US

If you are not stupid you already know this, but in case you don't:

>13 Colonies get their independence, France helped, woops, France is broke
>US grows in strength, suddenly France regrets helping them "I told u bro" said Britain
>OK, so now who's the superpower?, Spain, Napoleon rapes Spain, Latin American wars of independence start
>Suddenly the Spanish empire, the most powerful empire in history becomes irrelevant forever
>Ok, the US is stronk, wat do?
>Yo, look at this dude, Iturbide, he like, raped insurgent asses in New Spain and then peacefully made Mexico independent trough the Cordoba deals
>Crazy uh?, Mexican empire, who would say, from California all the way down to Costa Rica....
>Woops, it lasted about 2 years and it fell because of (((Gringos))) and Iturbaby was killed, well shit, there goes central america becoming independent :/
>Damn, Mex a republic now, a dictatorial centralist republic sinking into economic and social chaos, but at least we got Texas!
>Texas wants independence, sponsored by american weapons and propaganda
>Mexico looses the war because it was fighting 4 rebellions at once in the middle of an economic and political crisis, that's what happens when you quit an empire
>"Ok dude", said France, Britain, Spain, Portugal and literally EVERYONE, "recognize the independence of Texas, pls, If you don't you are gonna regret this"
>"What's that?, sorry I didn't hear you over the sound of my army being shredded" said Mexico while he entered a war with the US while Yucatan and other places were in open rebellion in the middle of an economic crisis, not so smart Pablo
>"Welp, I guess we'll have to do something", said France

TBC...

>>136288729
>"WW1 will be caused by some damnable thing from the baltics"

Yes, those damn Latvians shooting our heir

>>136288729
>from the baltics"

from the balkans, retard, from the balkans....

>>136277313
Good. Only socialists and austrians say otherwise.

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>>136278832
in order to make the socialists irrelevant...

>>136286166
All Krauts look a like anyway

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>>136289446
>First French intervention in Mexico, "La guerra de los pasteles"
>FAILED

>Ok..., Mexican conservatives were always creeping in european courts, some day Napoleon III decides to maybe hear them out of desperation on not knowing what the fuck to do
>Mexican empire sounds nice for a puppet gov that takes a stand against the US
>But... who's gonna be the new emperor?...

>Meanwhile Maximilian of Hapsburg has an interesting genetic history
>Grandson of Carlos V, but not only that, European elite was afraid of him, you know why?, he might be the illegitimate son of Napoleon II and therefore he has more right to the throne of France than Napoleon III, Napoleon's nephew, that means he (Max) is the direct grandson of Napoleon Bonaparte

>"I gotta take care of a lot of shit, I can do it all in one move hehehehe....", said Napoleon III as he invaded Mexico again and decided that Max is to be the new Mexican emperor

>Campaing in Mexico goes well, the US broke in civil war, perfect opportunity, Republican forces are being destroyed, Empire is established, Maximiliano I de Mexico is proclaimed second Mexican emperor

>Everything is perfect, nothing could go wrong :D

>Pic related

>France retreats its troops from Mexico leaving Max to die in a foreign land, the US sponsors the republic as france leaves
>Benito Juarez makes mexico an american protectorate
>Max is killed in Queretaro
>Thanks to this event tensions between the US and Europe rise, especially between Austro-Hungary and the US

>I mean, you just made your puppet gov kill the brother of the emperor of Austro Hungary, THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Who's to blame?, THE G*RMANS!!!

>>136286166
That's hindenburg

fuck him t. Dane in england

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>>136289446
>>136290732

Also, my point is, these chain of events is part of what eventually led the world into a world war about 40 years later

As the US influence grew, degeneracy, death and famine spread trough the world, and the most fucked up thing is that it is Mexicans and Germans fault

I'll kill myself nao tnks

Uniting Germany was a mistake
Still a very powerful man though

>>136286580

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>>136277469
bavarians are the missing link between austrians and human beings

>>136289446

That's cute but Mexico is an irrelevant piece of shit. Mexico is such an irrelevent piece of shit that in all its history it has never been as relevant as it is now.

The Spaniards failed to colonise you guys properly. The rebelions you are complaining about were mostly rightful rebelions against a shit pseudo imperialist ambitious centralised government.
Mexico is wrong. It was a mistake. It's just wrong... whoever wants out of it has a legitimate position just because of it.

Compare the History of the Brazilian empire and even its aftermath with that of Mexico.

>>136277313
sounds like /OURGUY/
"The division of the United States into two federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the High Financial Power of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economical and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the Rothschilds predominated. They foresaw tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the Jewish financiers, to the vigorous republic, confident and self-providing. Therefore, they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus to dig an abyss between the two parts of the republic. Lincoln never suspected these underground machinations. He was anti-slavery, and he was elected as such. But his character prevented him from being the man of one party. When he had affairs in his hands, he perceived that these sinister financiers of Europe, the Rothschilds, wished to make him the executor of their designs.

They made the rupture between the North and the South imminent! The masters of finance in Europe made this rupture definitive in order to exploit it to the utmost. Lincoln's personality surprised them: they thought to easily dupe the candidate woodcutter. But Lincoln read their plots and soon understood that the South was not the worst foe, but the Jewish financiers. He did not confide his apprehensions; he watched the gestures of the Hidden Hand; he did not wish to expose publicly the questions which disconcert the ignorant masses. He decided to eliminate the international bankers, by establishing a system of loans, allowing the states to borrow directly from the people without intermediary. He did not study financial questions, but his robust good sense revealed to him that the source of any wealth resides in the work and economy of the nation. He opposed emissions through the international financiers.

>>136292243
He obtained from the Congress the right to borrow from the people by selling to it the bonds of the states. The local banks were only too glad to help such a system. And the government and the nation escaped the plots of foreign financiers. They understood at once that the United States would escape their grip. The death of Lincoln was resolved upon. Nothing is easier than to find a fanatic to strike.

The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots. And Israel went anew to garner the riches of the world. I fear that Jewish banks with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and will use it to systematically corrupt modern civilization. The Jews will not hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into wars and chaos in order that "the earth should become the inheritance of Israel."

>>136290732

Napoleon was a mistake.

Look, the Napoleons have no legitimate claim to the throne of France. They were simply usurpers.

Study France's History before pointing fingers at others for the shitty situation in Mexico.

>>136291987
lol

>>136286253
where do you place Friedrich der Grosse?

>>136292243

Yes, Bismarck was great.

>>136292589
saying actually attributed to Bismarck.

>>136281409
You're retardes

>>136292288

You guys when posting this kind of shit really need to present the source...

>>136280866
You're an idiot if you think that the US had respect for japs in WWII. Respect was given to German soldiers (see Rommel), but japs were thought of as merciless heathens with buck teeth and short stature.

>b...but my based japs with bants

The only japs left nowadays are 100% gamma orbiters. We nuked the beta out of them long ago.

>>136292717

Good, didn't know that.

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>>136292124
>it has never been as relevant as it is now.

During the vice royalty of New Spain people lived better than in fucking Castilla, don't bullshit me

During the Porfiriato Mexico matched the US into economic power and was plotting with the Germans, that's why the revolution started

>The Spaniards failed to colonies you guys properly.

Says Portugal, my God, I cant believe I just read this

>The rebellions you are complaining about were mostly rightful rebellions against a shit pseudo imperialist ambitious centralized government.

I didn't complained about any rebellion, in fact, I was complaining about the centralist gov and those who conspired against the emperor


>Mexico is wrong. It was a mistake. It's just wrong... whoever wants out of it has a legitimate position just because of it.

That's a pretty limited and mediocre opinion, have you ever lived here?, How can you just speak of us without knowing anything about our customs and history?, hell, you don't even acknowledge Mexico's PRIMORDIAL geographic position

Jesus Christ read a book

>Compare the History of the Brazilian empire and even its aftermath with that of Mexico.

Brazil was lucky that Portuguese royal family fled to the americas in the 1800's, which was also Spain's plan, to fly Mexico and rule from there, still, Brazil is just as bad

>>136292889
http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/introduction/footnotes/ft_bismarck.html

Interview by C. Seim, La Vieille France, March, 1921.
Comment: Bismarck's first Reichstag speech was 'anti-Semitic' (Treitschke, Deutsche Geschichte im xix Jarhundert), and this continued to be his general attitude - with occasional "art of the possible" political compromises. In the American tragedy, the agitation for 'abolition' was spearheaded by Jewish refugees from the abortive European revolutions of 1848. Financing for Union and Confederacy came from the same European banking network: August Schonberg "Belmont" was the intermediary to the North, and Judah Benjamin to the South. Lincoln greatly upset the Eastern Establishment bankers by issuing non-interest-bearing "Greenback" currency, when the interest rates they demanded became prohibitive. His assassin was a half-Jew, according to the Booth family biographer, Stanley Kimmel, author of The Mad Booths of Maryland, The Boobs-Merrill Company, New York, 1940, Index, 8 Illustrations and published by Dover Publications, New York in 1969, Revised edition (June 8, 1970), ISBN-10: 0486222314, ISBN-13: 978-0486222318, 418 pages.

Source:

http://www.thebirdman.org/

>>136292485
Easy there, as much of an usurper he was, he was the active regent of France at the time so it is natural that his blood passes trough generation until another usurper comes, do you get the logic? or is it so fucking hard to understand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

>>136293194

Thank you.

You understand that without a source, it just becomes heresay.

Well done.

>>136277469
Looks alright desu

>>136293362

If you have in the most basic knowledge of History, you'll understand that the Napoleons aren't legitimate kings.

That is what I'm saying.
No matter how much power they once had, a bet on them is an error. Also, they actually destroyed Europe and birthed liberalism...

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>>136293666
Yes... I never said anything good about any Napoleon, I just said, and you as an European will agree, that France was the one leading the opposition against the americans, and yes, Mexico is important, why?, because of its geographical position and human capital, you have demonstrated that you have 0 knowledge on basic history by not acknowledging that the US survived because of Mexico and thats why everyone always wants to get a piece o it

>>136277313
Awesome! He played a very important role in finally uniting Germany.

>>136293194
>>136293484
>Bismarck's first Reichstag speech was 'anti-Semitic' (Treitschke, Deutsche Geschichte im xix Jarhundert), and this continued to be his general attitude - with occasional "art of the possible" political compromises.

Bullshit, Treitschke was the anti-Semite, not Bismarck. Bismarck is hailed by the Jews as the one having pushed for Jew emanicpation. Also, he was down with the Jewish bankers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerson_von_Bleichr%C3%B6der#Banker_for_Bismarck_and_the_Prussian_State

>>136293162

1) The Vice Royalty was actually Spain. You just agree with me. The best time of Mexico was when it was a part of Spain.

2) That the average coloniser lives better than those who stayed at home is the basic logic of colonialism. The point is, those who were better off than Castille... were always a minority. Besides most of Mexico is fucked up terrain which is not proper for human habitation, may it be the desert in the North or the jungle in the South...

The Profiriato was shit and collapsed. Mexico had everything to be way better than the U.S. up to 1848... or at least the Texas rebellion. We all know how it came out to be.

Portugal did an amazing job colonising brazil.
And if you're complaining they are not white enough, look at this:

Whites in Mexico today -- 12M -- 30% of Spain
Whites in Brazil today -- 70M - 700% of Portugal (and I'm not counting the 35M whites who claim to be so in Brazil but whom I doubt exist).
Also, when New York had little than 10.000 inhabitants in the XVIII century, Ouro Preto in central Brazil had some 50.000;

3) I understand you were complaining about the central government, but you also sounded like the French could have made it work. I highly doubt that. You either stayed loyal to Spain or you chose your path...

4) Your primordial geographic position is laughable. My opinion is that Mexico didn't need to be this bad in many ways. Today I don't know how it can be done, but in the 1800s the North could have been independent, the south could have become independent, the Jalisco and Cristero's revolt region could be independent....
I consider Mexico a mistake because it is not a Nation, it is a Mestizo empire of the Benito Juarez was always right persuation or something...

Finally,
I agree with what you say about Brazil but much work was done before that pivotal event. I never heard of Spanish royals fleeing to Mexico, nor I imagine how that could have worked. What do you recomend me so I learn more about it?

>>136294154

How come?

No, I don't think France was oposed to the U.S., quiet the contrary.

Also, to consider yourself important because you are close to the U.S. shows how irrelevent your geographic location is. The U.S, does not need Mexico the way Mexico needs it.

Also, pobre Mexico, tan pierto de los Estados Unidos y tan lejano de Dios. (My spanish isn't great, I know).

Nice to see you are against Napoleon and seem to be a Christian. Why don't you wish the Spaniards would control Mexico escapes me...

>>136294597

Wasn't Jewish emancipation a French thing? A Napoleon thing?

I think it was.

>>136285779
Hitler betrayed and murder all the vons nigger. He knew they were the only ones who could swawy the military away from his control.
Read a jew book hitlernigger

>>136277313
One of the best leaders in history, we need men like him now more than ever

>>136295040
Napoleon = France
Bismarck= Prussia/Germany
Kaiser Wilhelm II had many Jewish friends and advicers, they were called the Kaiserjuden. Treitschke is full of bullshit, no reliable source at all.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Simon#Die_.E2.80.9EKaiserjuden.E2.80.9C

>>136295285

Well... I don't know. I think Prussia was fucked by Napoleon who enforced the Jew emancipation and it was never repealed.

The fact that some guy has Jewish assistants does not shock me. Bismarck was kind of awesome for what I know.

Thanks for the info though. anon.

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>>136281409
>Ultinately, Wilhelm's inability to get along with his uncle lead to the breakdown in relations between the two European superpowers that directly lead to WWI. And it was all Bismarck's fault.

I try to give Americans the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes....

>>136295503
in Germany many streets having names of Prussian generals and politicians were re-named (Hindenburg etc.) but never ever a Bismarck street is re-named with a socdem name, many monumemts have been razed, but the Bismarck statues are all in their place. Why? Because they love Bismarck - and not for his nationalism, that I can tell you.
quite a good read
https://www.amazon.de/Gold-Iron-Bismark-Bleichroder-Building/dp/0394740343

>>136277313

Great man. Too bad his dream lead Europe to chaos and two of the greatest wars the world has ever seen.

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>>136297074
>Great man. Too bad his dream lead Europe to chaos and two of the greatest wars the world has ever seen.

elaborate