This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism. These includes (but is not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, objectivism and anti-leftism (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us.
Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.
Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
THREAD RESOURCES:
>Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/iT0Rw8PT
>Website: libertarianright.org
>Discord & Book Club: /jCVRCR3
REQUIRED READING:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o (Watch this!)
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf
FURTHER READING:
>Reference - See https://i.imgur.com/wCIpgNA.jpg
>Torrent - magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8d8ec6ef882dee291f119eb69994797574e5d616&dn=Anarcho-Capitalism%20Books
THREAD THEME:
>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLaqr3QorCw
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Drop it like it's Hoppe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPKGgo4kGQM
anarcho-capitalism isn't real anarchism.
>>136267057
Prove it.
>>136267057
Prove this wrong, actually
>Protip: you can't
lets go ahead and allow unregulated housing
bank
net
economy
stop government payout save defense
end all regulation
Use fascism to establish ethnostate, remove degeneracy.
Then we are in a position to live in a libertarian market anarchist legal order and society.
trains ran on time
>>136267435
You can't use fascism to eliminate degeneracy retard. Welfare states breed degenerates. Fuck dude, the nsdap model had to sterilize all the retards their welfare state created. What's more degenerate than breeding retards that you'll have to mutilate?
>>136267057
Depends on what you mean by anarchism.
>>136267435
>>136268178
didnt read all of it
>>136269480
If this is your oc keep em coming, they're beautiful.
>>136267057
How do have "rights" without a state to defend them?
The best threads on /pol/!
>>136269981
I will, thank you.
>>136270554
You are your own last line of defense. Not the state. Also, maybe pay someone to defend your shit when you're gone.
Also, without hierarchy who's gonna motivate you to stop taking bong tokes cut your dreds and get a job?
>>136270554
Think for a single minute before posting.
>>136271093
Take it to its logical conclusion: a state. You can romanticize the 1900 century as much as you want but it ain't coming back.
>>136271629
How is that the logical conclusion dude?
>>136266943
>2 shekels have been deposited into your account for the creation of this thread.
>>136272305
>Lew
>A Jew
Fuck off retard. He's a goyim.
What do you think about property taxes?
The freest state in the Union (NH) has the third highest property tax at 2%. It's basically the same as a rented apartment per month, not including utilities.
>>136272470
>This jew is not a jew
>>136272601
He's literally not, he's the guy who edited and published the "racist and anti semitic" Ron Paul newsletters.
>>136272939
He sure looks like one.
>>136266943
>REQUIRED READING
Why is The Road to Serfdom not on this list????
Just made this
>>136273034
Yeah, blue eyes and thin noses are totally Jewish.
>>136273251
Nice!
I just want to own a house with a lawn and sit on a chair on said lawn, with a gun by my side and a dog too, just staring at the sun and drinking cold beers.
Where do I move to achieve this dream and how much would it cost me?
>>136273449
I might be mistaken then. Someone tell him to shave his sideburns and get some less Jewish-looking glasses.
>>136273579
Sounds like the southern U.S. to me. I wouldn't know, though, I'm from the Northeast, so that might just be a stereotype.
>>136266943
Some smart spics talking about Venezuela at the Mises Institute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARUbwT7rwjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7E57aCD37A
Free market dictatorships are better than democracy.
>>136274028
I was looking into Oregon because it looks like one of the cheaper places to live and theres less blacks
>>136266943
What do we do about the (((nazbol))) question? These subversive scum need to be banished back to leftypol.
Also, spittin' fresh OC coming your way.
>>136274820
Oregon is pretty based and pretty beautiful, but stay away from the coast.
I'm in Tennessee and it's the least diverse part of the South. One of the least cucked states in the US. No income tax (but a high sales tax.) It's a little too hot, but nowhere near as hot as Texas. Obviously stay away from Memphis.
Western North Carolina is also super white and super comfy.
Also look at New Hampshire. Very white, lots of economic freedom, and home to the Free State Project.
>>136267435
Using the state to achieve a libertarian order is a vain effort. Just get rid of welfare and all other government protection of discriminated-against individuals and wait for degeneracy to fade
>>136276454
The answer to the Nazbol gang is the PALEO CREW.
Paleo crew> Nazbol fags
Fuck those socialists, (((national bolshevism))) is a long and funny way of saying Zionism.
Gary Johnson is a fag
>>136278081
Lol, Gary is redpilled tho, he wants to force Jews to bake Nazi cakes at gunpoint.
>>136277902
fuckin' saved.
Communism is a disease, and we have to stop it from spreading.
>>136278384
He also wants to force you to service gays, muslims, and every other degenerate,
>>136278531
Yeah, I was memeing. Fuck Aleppo Johnson.
>>136277902
>>136279481
would hug Hoppe so to speak.
>>136279580
Muh boi did.
>>136279937
>>136279937
so jelly of the anons who made it to malta last week
>>136281129
I wish I could be there too. Would be wonderful to see him talk in person.
>>136281515
Do you think he is aware of his fame?
>>136282683
He is, according to our own maltabro.
>>136282683
Yes he is, he says people send him memes constantly.
>>136270554
you have a strong government with almost no spending, jsut defense and courts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQrrJmlrhNs&t=884s
>>136272509
tax the living shit outa rental properties
capture all that government enforced inflation
>>136272939
which were never part of ron paul, some guy lost his marbles n was fired, yet democrat press only thing democrat knows about ron paul is racism sexism hate gay BS
>>136283055
>he says people send him memes constantly.
Fucking great.
>>136267191
That's retarded. Capitalism can't exist without a state. Without a state you would probably get robbed by sociopaths within days. Your property rights would extend no further than you could protect them with your own group of vigilantes, which would mean you had just created a new mini-state.
>>136267435
This is also retarded. Authoritarian governments don't just wither away after a while. You establish fascism? You'll be stuck with it. But of course you've got that loser flag, so you want to be stuck with it.
>>136283452
>Capitalism can't exist without a state.
>Forgets how almost all ancap literature is on how private defense how work
I see this still full of faggots
>>136283569
Explain to me how this so-called private defense would work without either turning into Somalia or ending up recreating states.
>>136283569
ancap has nothing to do with capitalism
ancap is just fascist larp
>>136283391
"""Allegedly"""
>>136283569
PS there's tons of commie literature about how an-com societies could work too. Doesn't mean any of it would work in practical reality.
>>136283619
>explain to me
is the same as
>spoodfeed me a number of books
fuck off nig
>>136283647
ok retard
Guy that was making the infograph here, what are your thoughts on this question?
>>136283568
>You establish fascism? You'll be stuck with it.
No imagine it as aristocracy without aristocracy, because we have no one to fulfill this duty at the moment, after the forming of a new aristocracy fascism becomes obsolete.
This guy is just a edgy natsoc.
1800s USA
1 total gov spending including states 1% o GDP
2 no regulations or welfare
3 ended slavery n child labor
Hong kong 1900s
1 15% flat tax on consumption
2 no stats allowed to be collected by burocrats by governmnor coppwerwaithe
not allowed to keep stats
3 no regulations
4 now only equal to USA in PPP GDP per capita
>>136283764
No, because if I pay a company to secure my property, I don't want people to just move into their area of protection.
>>136283739
At least name the books.
>>136283823
We already have an aristocracy - rich people. There's no reason to believe that a new aristocracy would be better than the current one.
>>136283739
fuck u bitch
only a democrat is stupid enough to link anarchy with capitalism
typical brainwashed democrat spreg
there is no x capitalism
y capitalism
just capitalism
free marekts and no force agaisnt individual and property
it works
its moral
you can never justify A robbing B to give free unearned shit to C
never been done
capitalism is only moral system
it created aamzing wealth quickly
but tax looters have no fun
oddly enough everyon is rich by 1000s of times
becasue progress upward is endless boom
democracy is communism and destroyed USA in 20th century
endless wars no growth and tek stagnation
>>136283996
>>136284153
at least try to bait
>>136283965
use google fag
>>136283965
>We already have an aristocracy - rich people
People who get to their capital by robbing people via the state are not very noble and can never be taken for righteous people, they are just criminals and should be treated as such.
>>136284244
there is 0 irony
this is how it is
I know it nukes your democrat miseducation
lol
so simple its scary
>>136284262
The new aristocracy in fascism would also just rob people and not be noble or righteous. It is a delusion to think otherwise.
>>136284262
cronyism is a feature of socialism/democracy
democracy is communism/fascism
all those scammers liek facebook get money because market is regualted to stop competition
>>136284424
democracy creates cronies
democracy is fascism/communism
what u need is capitalism
lower gov spending 99%
cancel contracts laws and regulations
ban law schools
>>136284558
If you lower government spending by 99%, you won't have capitalism. You will have Somalia and be spending 99% of your time trying to not get killed by heavily armed sociopaths.
>>136284424
please read more into the topic, not just the materialistic shit of mussolini or what edgy teens on /pol/ tell you.
[spoiler]I am pro free market and property rights, because it is the way to let those ideals evolve[/spoiler]
>>136283764
Public policy is rather pointless in AnCapistan. The border policy is decided by the particular proprietors wishes. By default no one is allowed on any property without the owners consent.
The borders would be closed by default.
>>136283764
Also check the articles in the image I posted. And be sure to watch Lew Rockwell's open borders: a libertarian reappraisal.
>>136283764
No, because the people in charge of selling real estate would be able to discriminate in favor of prefarable potential residents within the community, and the private courts might establish laws that those people would have to abude by when selling real estate for their property to be protected.
capitalism is one thing
anarchy is another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQrrJmlrhNs&t=884s
basic thing: under free trade
houses would be mass produced and plentiful
zillions o jobs
here is short video to cancel all wrong things you learned in 15 years of brainwashing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQrrJmlrhNs&t=884s
>>136285535
I thought the same that the state should only protect life and property with full force until they decided to open the border and flood my country with refugees, that's why I can't trust any form of state controlled monopoly anymore.
What do you guys think of Trieste wanting to become a free territory with the US and UK as their protectors.
Could it be a libertarian society, if they finally get it?
>>136285535
your idea of capitalism, a free market with minarchist government is actually not capitalism. that's called a jewish plant to subvert your country in 15 generations whilst simultaneously profiting from degenerate behaviors through central banking control.
>>136267057
egalitarian structures can be just as authoritarian as hierarchical structures.
>>136284244
Answer me fgt
>>136273251
good work, soldier.