Why was Finland able to defeat the Soviet Union but the Wehrmacht

>>136251684
>Is it simply because the Finns had winter gear?

Training, gear and gorilla warfare contributed to their success.

>>136251684
Coz they fought only until winter lasted. They've surrenderd in early march.

>>136251684
There is tundra in Fin i bet so they live alike lifes in the winter so they are used to it, basically just like winter people vs winter people

Pshhht. Shhhh. You know... Finland didn't win the war. None of them. K/D isn't all that matters.

On a seconary note, it's always easier to defend your homeland; it's extremely hard to attack in winter conditions without adequate equipment.

Finland beat Russia the same way Russia beat Germany. Luck.

>>136251684
The Finns lost territory to the Soviet Union at the end of the war. I'm not sure they "defeated" the Soviets.
That said, reading about the winter war makes it even more clear how mind-fucked Roosevelt's America must have been to side with the Soviets. Should have gone after the Japs and stayed neutral in Europe.

>>136251684

swedish volunteers

>>136251684
We had totally different types of war. We had the luxury of defensive war, thus giving us the option to choose the terrain. Also, our terrain was highly favorable for the defender - thick forests and difficult mobility only through roads. Germans waged an offensive, the terrain was open. Plus red army had time to get better after they attacked us.

>>136251914
No we wouldn't. We would actually been able to destroy more ruskie divisions after the winter as moving artillery to mow down the mottied troops would have become more practical. Now we had to kill ruskies literally with infantry firearms only.

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>When you're high on speed and armed with Maxim while your enemy's only tactic is sending waves of poorly trained and geared peasants because terrain prevents use of armoured vehicles.
Pretty easy desu

>>136251684
God determines the outcome of battles

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>>136251684
Don't underestimate the khanate

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>>136251684
Being the invading force in winter near the fucking arctic circle fucking sucks is how.

As both Hitler, Napoleon and Charles the 12th found out as well.

>>136252016
Russians are shit for fighting wars except by zerg rush. Get into a combat environment that isn't open terrain, say, the forests of Finland, and you get rekt.

>>136253597
shit bait m8

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>>136251684

Finland lost 10% of their territory and their only northern sea coast.

I don't think they won the war, they simply managed to survive.

I love both Funland and Ruskia, pls don't bully each other.

>>136251684
>t. american education

>>136251684
Your supply lines don't need to be very long when you're fighting a defensive war.

>>136251684
because fighting several fronts implies unbalanced strength, so Germany had to fight Le 65% Face and jewish anglos from one side and the soviets from the other, then your troops start resenting due to the massive war effort

the russian tactics are simiar to chinese ones: try to overwhelm the enemy through massive waves of soldiers, regardless of how many loses are present

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We didn't exactly win, but kept our independence so "defensive victory". Russians attacked using shitty doctrine and finns were determined to to defend our homeland.

>>136253649
Your kike overlords rounds up a bunch of drunk Russian fags and sends them into the woods against Finns...great way to get rid of excess Slavshits. Sort of like Argentina sending all the niggers into the swamp where they all died in war against Paraguay. It's ethnic cleansing by unconventional means.

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>>136251914
>>136252508

>>136251684

Soviets invaded a cold land.

Germans invaded a cold land.

Invade cold land and you lose.

why is russian history a constant tragedy? when will they ever get their shit together?

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>>136253773
>and their only northern sea coast.
Not entirely yet.

Soviet Union didn't pressure Finland properly at first.

Inexperienced southern Ukranians fighting.
Cleansed generals were retarded.
Couldn't put troops as in first focus attack because had to be prepared for Nazi germany

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This triggers russians.

>>136259398
but you still lost.

>>136259398
I think you have to take this kind of statistics with a grain of salt. Like those 2500-6500 tanks were there only in reserves or towards the end of war, same with the 3900 aircraft.

That's Operation Bagration tier superiority, no way Soviets would have been that incompetent if those were ready to use at same time.

>>136252016
I thought the official communist version of the war still stands within your history. That we started the war by shelling the village of Mainila.

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>>136259774

We kept our independence which was victory for us. Stalin would probably have genocided or transferred all of us to Siberia if we would have lost. We didn't turn into communist shithole like baltics.

It's ironic that finnish war reparations to the Soviet Union actually helped to create heavy industry in Finland because they were paid in goods. In 1950's Finland had very modern industry when compared to rest of Europe.

>>136259774
We have lost 10% of our clay in the last 100 years, how about you brits?

>>136253597
so muricans

>>136251684
They didn't defeat shit, since they gave more than Stalin asked for. They slaughtered some thousands of Russian peasants without any training, equipment or even basic shit like warm clothes and enough food who were forced to advance in worst possible conditions in the worst possible place at the worst weather. You can see how drastically Hitlers perception of USSR changed after Winter War. Once cautious man, now completely dismissed any fighting capability of the red army.
The real redpill is that those peasants were used as a sacrificial lamb and a bait for Hitler, since Stalin was getting ready for the war and there's no greater advantage than when your enemy is underestimating you. 5D interplanetary Omaha poker way before Trump. Don't get me wrong, Stalin underestimated Wehrmacht too, but thats another story.

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>>136257127
>Your kike overlords
>flag

>>136251684
They dont know cold like the Northmen

>>136251684
The Finns did not won this war. They lost their second largest city to the Soviets, they lost also access to the Arctic see to the north.

Today thoose regions are part of Russia.

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>>136251684
Beacuse Simo Häyhä was overpowered

Source
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä

>>136261150
Communism was created and financed by "American" kikes. The Walshart goys are born, bred and corn-fed to grovel at the feet of their Kosher owners.

simo and the spurd

>>136260475
Bullshit. Finland would became a republic of the USSR. You would keep Vipurii/Vyborg for yourself. In all you would have the same experiance like the Baltic state.

From modern day perspective maybe that is good as Finland would be preserved from Swedish tie cuckoldry and you would most likely resemble to Hungary today.

tl; dr If Finland lost the war it would be territorial larger today and resemble Hungary.

>>136260749
we lost 0 of Britannia?

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>>136262175

Go back to leftypol, shill. Stalin was planning victory parade in Helsinki few weeks after the attack but got international humiliation instead. It would have been Holodomor 2.0 or even worse. Stalin killed tens of millions of his own people for lesser reasons than that.

Just look what they did to Estonia.

>>136252074
That's exactly what he did until USSR won decisive wars and was heading towards Berlin. The support that US provided to USSR was about 3 times less than to Britain. US just didn't want USSR to get that loot and geopolitical power, that's why they got involved in Europe at the end of war.

You think they pushed as hard when invading Finland as they did when preventing an invasion from Nazi Germany?

An invading army will also face much greater push back. The Russian's morale would have been lower after Stalin murdered thousands in the great purge of two years before.

Not to take away for the Finns though capturing and killing a force as large as your entire armed forces is impressive. The amount of Tanks was ridiculous.

>>136251684
If by winning the war you mean losing territory, yeah, Finland won the war. But then again, Finland wasn't a country 20 years before that and might have grabbed a little too much land during Russian civil war for Stalin's liking, just like Poland.

>>136259398
You really believe that you beat them with 32 tanks and 114 aircraft and they had 4k aircraft and 6500 tanks?

You must be a big fan of (((Wikipedia)))

Also, ever wonder how Germans beat those million-soldier Soviet armies in the first year of the war? That's because those were workers with guns.

>>136261150
>what is bolshevism

>>136251684
Finland still lost but faired much better than expected.
Soviet Union clearly learned its lessons from Finnish conflict

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Stalin believed Finland was full of Reds ready to welcome komrads.

This was not true.

Stalin, in his paranoia, culled his top tier generals leaving only brown-nosing mouth breathers.

This was a mistake.

Stalin sent the weakest divisions with shitty gears to invade, because the invasion was supposed to be a cakewalk.

It wasn't.

CCCP made headway only after committing actual skilled military leaders with massive ordnance to roll over the Finnish defense.

They didn't defeat anyone. They capitulated and lost much more area than Stalin demanded before the war. They could inflict huge losses on the RA, that's all. Not suprising, their Mannergeim was a distinguished Russian general after all.

>>136251914
this is wrong. the winter of 1939-1940 was one of the coldest and longest, and when we had to give up the mannerheim line, soviet tanks could drive across the vyborg bay, and the front became too wide for realistic defense.

>>136251684
Reservist military culture, superior gear, home field advantage, psychological warfare, fighting defensively with nothing to lose, et cetera. The soviets didn't even have white camo or sufficient winter clothes for their troops and were poorly trained conscripts. Finns would take the dead bodies and arrange them in grotesque positions and the cold would keep them standing and preserved for months.

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>>136263789
>superior gear
>nothing to lose

Also for these losses we all should say thank you to Tuhachevsky and his gang. The shitty tanks back then were his idea. Only after they all got purged USSR would start projects of better and heavier tanks such as KV and T-34.

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>>136263040

Finns let russians tank trough the lines and disabled them afterwards with molotovs and other stuff. Whole country is full of forests which gives good cover for guerilla warfare. Russians couldn't ski so they had use shitty roads which were easy to block. Forests also gave good air cover.

Finland isn't open plain where you can just steamroll with superior force. Whole eastern border is full of lakes and natural bottlenecks.

Many soviets froze to death in Winter War because they didn't have winter equipment and they were easy targets without snow suits. Finns were able to ski around them and use motti tactics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilho_Petter_Nenonen

Nenonen developed the Finnish Army's artillery and tactics that proved decisive in the defensive victory in the Battle of Tali-Ihantala. The trajectory calculation formulas he developed are still in use today by all modern artillery.

Those formulas enabled intense artillery concentrations and it was kept as secret until end of the war.

>>136251684
>defeat
murican education.

>>136253597
>Vietnam

>>136251684
Long story
Stalin was never meant to rule the SU but he got the power anyway so after that there was a big power struggle then he killed everyone who could be anti stalin
This includes all the military experts then he started a war without any experts but still luft for more clay so he got at the end a 1/8 k/d lose

>>136264456
Literal retard

>>136264456
Still better than Lenin. Soviet Union under Stalin was not that different from Nazi Germany, they valued family and country. That's why most people don't even consider him comunist or socialist.

>>136264430
>AGENT ORANGE

>>136264341
>>136264430
>Russiaboo shill opens thread, scans for Americans despite entire thread full of Finns, and posts meme non sequitur response

>>136264802
>>136264816
Still butthurt for old Nam, I see.

>>136264779
Faggots love Communism but never mention Article 154.
>I have experienced every possible nightmare and horror; it is impossible to get used to it. Over a period of 18 months I have seen daily what it is to be a convicted homosexual in a Soviet camp. The position of gays in the death camps of the Third Reich was nothing compared to this. They had a clear prospect for the future-the gas chamber. We lead a half-animal existence, condemned to die of hunger, nursing secret dreams of contracting some deadly disease for a few days peace in a bunk in sickbay.

>>136262467
>leftypol
Lol i am quite the opposite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Democratic_Republic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelo-Finnish_Soviet_Socialist_Republic

When the USSR collapses in 1991 than Finland gets back its independence. Considering how based are Hungary and the Baltics a Finnish defeat in Winter war is a better alternative.

>>136264779
Oh that's why stalin killed so many fathers and made propaganda films like “it's cool to adopt a nigger baby“
Soviet union was modern sweden with big military power but wothout food

>>136264980
Still butthurt you lost the Cold War and space race Ivan D'Agostino?

>>136251684
>defeat the Soviet Union
What is this meme? They lost land as a result of that war. Is survival the win condition here? They did survive.

Didnt the UK bomb Finland, and no Western nations offer Finland any help? Yet the Danzig shit made Hitler/Germans the evil guys

Somethings not right here

It's because the Russians only sent abotu 0.0001% of their armed forces, obviously if they cared enough to win they would have obliterated finland as a species/people/culture, but the Fins put up a pretty good fight so the Russians decided they had better things to do. Lucky for the Finns

>>136265110
Really? I didn't know they had niggers in Soviet Union.

>>136265186
Nope

>>136265008
They'll just answer you by saying "NOT TRUE GOMMUNISM"

Cuba had a similar treatment as well for faggots.

>>136265110
Analogous:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guess_Who%27s_Coming_to_Dinner
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizoc_(film)

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>>136265213

But they lost the winter war.

>result: Finland ceded territory representing 11% of its land area and 13% of its economy to the Soviet Union.

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>>136265213
2

>>136265213
>Is survival the win condition here?

USSR's win condition was complete takeover of Finland and troops were warned not to enter Sweden or Norway by accident.

USSR didn't win.

>>136265524
Depends on how you define lost
Stalin obviously wanted to reunite Russian empire lost territories and Finland was a key. It was obvious he wanted all of Finland not just parts of it. I'd say they won considering what they were up against

>>136251684
Finland lost.

>>136265471
And then Europe proceeds to become cucked.

>>136265762
Finland goal was to preserve independence and territorial integrity. Since this was not achieved Finland lost the war.

Not knowing the difference between defensive and offensive war

>>136261538
Best manlet in history

>>136266020
Shut up Igor russias gonna get partitioned as soon as americans can mass deploy their railguns in orbit

All your missiles gonna get shot down during speed up

>>136266089
>Finland goal was to preserve independence and territorial integrity. Since this was not achieved Finland lost the war.

Hello magic retard from alternative timeline

Volunteers from Norway and Sweden also helped. They were superior with ski infantry and defending at winter.

>>136265939
I dunno, Stalin´s intentions really aren´t that clearly cut out. He initially demanded just relatively little land near leningrad, and when finnland refused and fought he ultimately settled for significantly more.

Also, I don´t see how not getting completely wiped out while losing parts of your country are considered a victory. By that definition the first and second partitions of poland were resounding victories as well, or germany only ceding like 30% of it´s territory after WW1.

>>136265354
Yes, the UK bombed Finland and Sweden enabled it by allowing flyovers. In fact there is speculation that some of the bombers were swedish or at least based from there.

>>136266637
>the UK bombed Finland and Sweden enabled it by allowing flyovers.

Some light carrier based aircraft dropped a few bombs on harbor and then never did it again

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>>136265043

Stupidest post I have ever seen. Are you seriously saying that 46 years of communist occupation is worth of being Hungary or Baltics? Finland is one of best countries in the world and those ex-communist shitholes are nothing compared to it. Our living standard is higher than any ex-communist country which just proves how fail communism is.

Go back to leftypol to praise communism. Finns hate russians and commies for a reason.

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>>136266033
thank fuck im british then

>>136251684
Finns have surrendered after Mannerheim Line was broken.

>>136267935
Russia still looks like soviet union, baltics are already starting to look like the west

>>136268375
Russia is capitalistic now, thanks god. rest doesnt matter

everything in russian makes profit and people accumulate capital

they can buy baltics, but baltics makes no profit

so baltics is bought by germans and swedes, now bats are houseniggers in germany and sweden. nobody cares about baltic states anymore.

today (under apitalism) it is cheaper to build new ports than to take baltic states. thanks to capitalism.

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Finnish girls are cute!

>>136268905
>everything in russian makes profit and people accumulate capital

The russian expats in baltics are telling stories that the state has confiscated their property and left them homeless and without income

>>136264260
Yeah, our troops, who were spying ruskie communications near st. petersburg (they were wiretapping their lines), reported that soviet commanders operating near Vyborg and Tali-Ihantala reports "Our troops are not able to attack any more due to enemy artillery "rage"". Then they started reporting enemy withdrawing their formations from the front, because Stalin got the idea that WW2 is not going to be ended in Helsinki, it is Berlin where he must send his troops.

>>136269131
they are lying, they tell it to explain their failure

only subhumans migrate to baltics lol, because it is ass. russians that lived in baltics before will leave it very soon. in 1-2 generations (soviet russians didnt cosnider balts as subhumans lol, they belive in friendship of nations and other shit) you not find anyone outside of capitals.

if you have brain you either stay at home and accumulate capital or move to usa etc

Finland didn't win the war

And don't forget the great purge of stalin in the army

Because Russians are as retarded as the Chinese and just send wave after wave of men to die without changing their tactics.

>>136267083
Yes, because you just like other scandinavian cucks are being africanised and settled with 3rd worlders. Your living standard will in long term decline while that of Hungary will rise.

Also, your youth is so retarded liberal that it is doubtfull whether the "win" over the Soviets was worth.

>>136251684
Because oil is more important than some gay ice.

>>136266265
Finland lost the city of Vipurii to Russians. That is if Canada annexes New York. I doubt any American would say they won the war against Canadians.

>>136267510
anon i have some bad news for u

>>136251684
Because we are all directly related to Ghengiz Khan. We have that mongol warrior horse archer blood

Stalin send to war with Finland ruskies from warm southern Russia who were not used to harsh winter conditions.

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>>136275218

99% of finns are european origin. We are not Sweden or US. Finns are very racist people including youths.

>>136275386

We lost Viipuri because Stalin attacked us for no reason and tried annex whole country. It's small price to pay for independence and avoiding genocide by communists.

>>136275966
>We lost Viipuri because Stalin attacked us for no reason and tried annex whole country. It's small price to pay for independence and avoiding genocide by communists.
Still, hard to call it a win if you lose land. The war ended with both sides losing a little bit.

>>136267083
This. So much this.

>>136267083
this
communism ruined yugoslav and eastern european nations for a whole century

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>finns lost
>russians were the good guys
>it would have been better for finland to succumb to communist rule

Realy guys who give a fuck you lost and become sisi fuck now we have Nukes fear us mother fuckers gayropa Guy with Guy ass fuckers scums !!!

We russians never respected you and never Will for us you all just spots in our teretory you need to move out of our way to kill fat americans or die !!!

Look at how big is russia on the map and look at your spot on the map and cry gayropa scum !!!!!!


Death to the gay ropa lovers !!!!!

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>>136251856
> gorilla
guerilla

>>136253773
Well nobody loves you mulatto-monkey

>>136280542

>cant_be_this_new.jpeg