How do you win a debate against mockery? Like when Mark Steyn

>>136248847

>Like when Mark Steyn debated Simon Schama on refugees, he cited the 500 rapes that happened in Germany on New Years and Schama replied "You sure do think about rape a lot, don't you?"

Why didn't you post Steyn's response?

>Mark (((Stein)))

>>136248847

Go read Dilbert Man and learn some basic persuasion. Arguing facts is not persuasive. Leftists believe in nothing so they have nothing to really argue for so it's easy to say anything for them.

>>136248957
Because Steyn's response was good yet the audience poll at the end still had a majority pro-refugee

>>136248847

>And the audience burst into cheers and applause and afterwards when polled the majority at the venue said Schama won.

http://www.munkdebates.com/debates/Global-Refugee-Crisis

>>136248847
>500 rapes
Not what the reports say.
One great strategy is not to work with bogus numbers or strawman your way into a point.

Now regarding your main question: watch Shapiro. He's pretty good at forcing the other side to adapt to his pace.

>>136249105

>the audience poll at the end still had a majority pro-refugee

That's not how you measure who "wins" a debate. Steyn and Farage converted 22% of the audience.

>>136248977
This you can't bring facts to this type of fight vs the left
The truth doesn't matter past their fantasy future
it's why trump won over the rest of the candidates
Or else you'd be in jail

I would insist that rape is no joking matter and try to IMPLICITLY accuse the opponent of perpetuating the rape culture. Use liberal weapons against themselves so to speak. I don't know if that would work, but women are scared of rape so it could.

>Obama-Romney debate
>2012
>Russian invasions of Crimea and Ukraine

what the fuck are you talking about, did Romney use a time machine to prepare for that debate?

>>136249169
>Not what the reports say.
T-t-the reports are all fake news covered up by the gubmit who wants to commit white genocide

>>136248847
But responding with a stone serious face. Ask why they wouldn't think of rape and the suffering of the victims. Then ask if it's ok to not ever think of rape.

Remember, stone serious.

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>>136248847
>>136248847

>>136248977
>Arguing facts is not persuasive.

Go away shill.

>>136248847
It is inane to argue with people who simply want you dead. Educate your side instead.

>>136249105
It's racist not to accept refugees.
Bigot.

>>136248847
>What do you do when being right doesn't matter at all?

stop being right (wing)

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>>136248847
God I hate these people. I would just say jokes are not an argument.

>>136248847
if you're ever in a situation where someone can mock you during a debate, you've done something wrong. it means they believe they're ahead while they should always feel on the defensive. if someone is unironically losing a debate and decides to start mocking, just dismiss it instead of chimping out

>>136248847
His only rebuttal would be to yell over the laughter and mockery with righteous anger that rape and murder arent jokes. Nothing stops laughter like fear.

In a face to face "debate" in a bar would you mock a nigger with racial slurs? No, because it effectively ends any reasoned debate and starts either an insult battle or fisticuffs. The only people convinced or unconcerned by 500 rapes were the stacked audience. It's an ad hominem tactic used by someone without an argument.

Romney shouldve pierced through the laghter with an angry retort that you are not a serious candidate and dont belong on this stage.

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>>136248847
>"You sure do think about rape a lot, don't you?" And the audience burst into cheers and applause and afterwards when polled the majority at the venue said Schama won.

I saw the debate and I would say that Steyn won. It was a leaf crowd that was like 75% left. But they left the debate at like 55% left from memory in polls. Steyn did a pretty good job, especially in his response to Schama's joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHJf5lkxmJ8

If you want to know how to win long term and properly vs indoctrinated cunts then the distributist offers the best method:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_eEuP139zM&list=PLRbcQXWEJAJoAXti-38NgHfh9GhaNihs_

>>136248847

You just call out ad hominems when they arise. Dont whine. Call it out briefly and move on.

>>136249505
This is already the case. I was amazed to see how far and fast the news of Debbie wass and the Awan brothers spread. No press support but the network Trump voters got the word to almost everyone in a day.

Twas impressive, to say the least.

>>136248847
>How do you win a debate against mockery?
>Like when Mark Steyn debated Simon Schama on refugees, he cited the 500 rapes that happened in Germany on New Years and Schama replied "You sure do think about rape a lot, don't you?" And the audience burst into cheers and applause and afterwards when polled the majority at the venue said Schama won.
In that case you attack him and every one in the audience
>Yeah laugh, that's really funny. I am sure those women agree.

>Or like the Obama-Romney debate where Romney said the Russian invasions of Crimea and Ukraine, state sponsored hacking and natural gas manipulation were causing a crisis and Obama replied "The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back" and everyone agreed Obama blew him the fuck out.
I would say
>I am sure i am not the only one you made miss Reagan.

Also there are people are home watching, the audience in the studio doesn't really matter.

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>>136248847
>How do you win a debate against mockery?
be witty

>>136248847

>You sure do think about rape a lot, don't you?

>Why do you think raping children is funny?

>Oh, come o-

>No, why do you think raping children is funny? Is it funny when a child's anus requires stiches

>I didn-

>Do you know what they do to child molesters like you in prison Simon?

etc etc.

>>136249266
>>136249266
>women are scared of rape
That's where your wrong, at least for Western women. They don't honestly believe it will ever happen to them. And as a lot of women actually fantasize about rape many will enjoy the momentary consideration that it MIGHT happen, and get a little moist in there panties at the thought. And all the rapes that do occur are worth it to them for that momentary fantasy.

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>>136248847
You say "I thought this was a serious debate, excuse me." grab your papers and walk out.

>>136248847
>How do you win a debate against mockery?
if dry facts won't win points then you must adopt some of the tools of your opponent.

>"You sure do think about rape a lot, don't you?"
why do you hate women so much, that you don't care about their violation?

>>136248847
>How do you win a debate against mockery?
Violence. If they're not going to take the debate seriously, you won't take their lives seriously. Literally.

>>136248847

Also;

If they go low, just go lower.

Romney should have implied that a "boy" like Obama needs to take the job more seriously, and stop living up to the negative stereotypes voters have of his sort of people.

Milo actually did a really good job of this on Bill Maher.

(yeah, I know, Milo)

They were trying the mockery thing, and Milo started laughing while they were talking, to which Bill said something like, "okay, okay, let's not get arguing" and Milo said something like;

>I'm sorry, but when you bring on these people, with low IQ's...

You could see them start blubbering and becoming incredibly agitated.

Another approach is to do the complete opposite;

The cold stare down - Like you're dealing with a class clown/retarded student.

>>136249969
autism

>>136250036
or simply punch them in the gut...

>>136248847
Debates themselves are pretty meaningless. Everyone in the audience goes into them on a side and almost never changes their opinion. Also if this is the debate with Nigel Farage, didn't Steyn and Farage win in the end?

>>136250253
>refusing to continue to play when other side isn't bound by the rules is autism now

>>136249491
Arguing facts is not persuasive (when talking to a liberal.) Actually read the fucking threads before you comment, or better yet just go back to Plebbit.

>>136248847
Don't forget about when Megyn Kelly btfo.
>"only Rosie O'Donnell"

>>136249198

There's an excellent extended blog post on specifically debating with leftists. It talks about the biological mechanism of "triggering".

This doesn't work for all leftists, but the ones that tend to hew close to emotional arguments will be affected by it. It basically only requires you to make personal observations and use them to greatly unsettle them. The faggot Milo uses it a lot.

When dealing with leftists who aren't emotional snowflakes, you honestly need to be a Hitchens tier intellect.

A great example is Jon Stewart vs. Tucker Carlson.

Carlson caught Jon Stewart out in a moment that SHOULD have destroyed Stewarts reputation. Stewart basically employed the "I don't care" defense, and Carlson didn't have the wit to improvise a continued attack. He just kind of laughed incredulously that Stewart could behave that way.

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>>136249308
I repeat, don't strawman your way into a point.
I agree with not trusting anything the government has had its hands on - but if you have certain numbers that contradict the "official" statement, you better come out with the sources so your audience can evaluate the truth of your claim.
There's nothing more detrimental to your credibility than talking out of your ass.

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>>136250174

Reasonable.

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>>136248847
During debates I just yell about how slavery was wrong and white people are racist towards black people. Doesn't matter what the question is. I also make huffing sounds and bang on shit. https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8

>>136250411
Not true, I used to be a lot more lefty before listening to some of the actual arguments on /pol/

>How do you win a debate against mockery?
If your opponent is left with mockery as their preferred weapon of choice to thank God that you have such a retarded and weak opponent.

>>136250546
That's repeated exposure though where you were being told directly why you were wrong.

Debates can't be won in a society which thrives on idiocy and degerancy, anon.

What we need is open warfare against the new aristocracy, not more talky talk.

>>136249875
Well, this is what Mark did, IIRP, and it didn't work.

>>136249742
manuela arcuri if you want to know the source

>>136249875
This is probably the best answer you could come up with in that situation, but if the audience really laughs at rapes of 500 people the chances are they're even more edgy than worst /pol/ack and aren't going to care about you playing the victim card.

You can say that and then probably leave the interview. Everyone will probably think you're massive crybaby, but there's nothing more you can do in that kind of company.

>>136249916
It is a misconception. Yes, many women fantasize about getting raped but only by a hot guy. No woman wants to be raped by a dirty stinking Ahmed with a smegma-covered cock. Women do fear rape, it's just that western women have been so brainwashed that they are ashamed of it. They think the fear of rape by an immigrant alone is racist. So they don't acknowledge it it even to themselves.

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>>136250745
>This is probably the best answer you could come up with in that situation, but if the audience really laughs at rapes of 500 people the chances are they're even more edgy than worst /pol/ack and aren't going to care about you playing the victim card.
You just bring up the case of a 1000+ rapes in Rotherham and then you laugh like a mad man.

Then when the audience doesn't laugh you ask them why that example of rape wasn't funny at all when the previous one was.

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It's impossible to win a televised debate against leftists unless you're in a conservative-stacked setting.
As soon as the (((leftist))) hears you state a fact they don't want people discussing, they will immediately deflect or just pretend the point is irrelevant.
The left-wing hosts will then prevent the right-winger from rebutting, thus solidifying in the leftist audience's mind that 'their guy' has won.
Of course, when the place is stacked majority conservative things change... but to a leftist this setting is blatant propaganda to be ignored.

>>136250210
Sauce?

>>136251001
You may not notice but that's autistic af.

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>>136248847

Be autistic and just have a laser like focus on the main point and quickly bring your opponent back on track the moment they try to diverge from it. If they keep doing it, trying to steer it in another direction or deflects with jokes, everyone will see them as the bitch they are. Kind of like in wrestling when a coward character keeps jumping out of the ring. Also, I leftist types are EXTREMELY arrogant, like they have this idea that since they are left leaning, they are these intellectual titans and will usually start off debates with some sort of casual joke that it literally on the level of "psshh, nothing personal kid" and all you have to do is give them one quick jab and they get all off kilter and will start operating from emotions

Im in an online political discussion group for a class and I would usually get into debates with this one really liberal guy and he would always lose his shit because I would just stay on target and he would get mad and just start saying "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" which was pretty funny. Also, watch Ben Shapiros videos on how to debate liberals. Remember, the point isnt to convince them, thats impossible, the point is to verbally string them out and crucify their corpse for everyone watching to see. You should eviscerate their ideas not to convince them, but for all the fence sitters watching the shit unfold and to plant seeds of doubt into the minds of those who do agree with them. Also, keep pic related in the back of your mind and never play their semantics shucking and juving games

>>136248847
Walk over to the other side of the stage, smash his head against the podium, throw him on the ground, and pull his pants down. When the audience has their jaws dropped in awe, look at them and ask why it was funny when it happened to 500 women, but isn't funny now. Then accuse them of misogyny.

In my experience, the audience's reaction has much to do with your personal bearing, rather than the words coming out of the other person's mouth.

If you react to the mockery, the audience will detect weakness and laugh. If you grit your teeth and maintain your composure, they won't. Picture Donald Trump in a debate. He will always swag it out, alpha as fuck.

>>136249491
Facts are only a small part of the art of rhetoric.

>>136248847
>Simon Schama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Schama
>His mother, Gertie (née Steinberg), was from an Ashkenazi Jewish family (from Kaunas, present-day Lithuania), and his father, Arthur Schama, was of Sephardi Jewish background (from Smyrna, present-day İzmir in Turkey)
Oh, of course.

>>136249916
This is actually true. It's also a kind of badge of honor, so they inflate the statistics and make up events in order to be part of the club. There was a meme going around a fre years back quoting Louis CK that "men are the number one threat to women"--that women rightly fear going on a date with men because they might not come home. Never mind that this is a completely retarded thing to say--obviously murder is not the number one killer of women, anywhere in the world, but common sense has nothing to do with these fantasies.

>>136250210

Here is an example of Milo making negroes angry by throwing their behavior back at them while not getting mad;

https://youtu.be/3cDLflyQ8TA

Most relevant part at 3:35

Now look at the editor of Breitbart, equally ganged up on and mocked, losing his cool and just getting mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inJXUHC0llY

Most relevant part at 3:54

>What do you do when being right doesn't matter at all?
You be a sophist. Winning debates has always been about who is the best rhetorician. Unless you're in the prestigious ivy league debate circuit, in which case winning is about how fast you can speak and how black you are.

>>136251083
I know, but you get to bring up an ever better case of multicultural enrichment just like that.

>>136248847
>"You sure do think about rape a lot, don't you?"
you make fun of his callousness
>"You sure enjoy deflecting from muslim rapists, don't you?"
Then hit him with facts and statistics. It's about not getting side-tracked and if necessary yelling over the crowd so they don't laugh about dumb shit for a minute.
Another strategy woiuld be moralizing to make the crowd feel bad about laughing
>how the FUCK can you laugh about 500 women being brutally raped?
together with an evil look towards the audience does a lot.

>>136249809
The only reason Trump won was because we have learned to spread our information and memes better than the MSM.

>>136251186
>>136251210
Maybe if you look like Muslim you can laugh with the audience at the 500 rapes and say those were the days.

>>136249169
>German flag
>pro rape
Hahahahahahhahaha

>>136250419
>not having a proper response and instead having a sperg meltdown and walking off the stage ashamed isn't autism

>>136248847
Here is a link: https://youtu.be/x-YDCmoAnBg

>>136249742
bit long winded isn't he

>mfw makes a good point but it takes forever and thus is difficult to wade through

>>136249105
Also known as, subversion. It actually very easy to lead a multikulti zombie in a logical circle.

>>136251426
The reason Trump won is because the media lied so much and was so inconsistent that for some people the media witch hunt was actually something positive.

>If they hate him that much he must be doing something right.

>>136250661

It might not work. The other thing to do is to bring their own concerns into it

>You think about rape a lot don't you

>About half as much as your average campus feminist, and these cases in Germany actually happened

You push the question, this is the same type of hamstering women do. They accuse you of something but if forced to back it up they have nothing.

The trick is you have to engage in it and then engage against it in the same way you would if a woman infantilized you

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>>136248847
Show them your resolve.

>>136251058

Hence the Milo approach of not even bothering with a debate. Just attacking them and triggering them.

Without a moderator to maintain stability, what you described is exactly what happens - See every Bill Maher episode.

on Q and A they will be given space and time to rebutt.

It's actually amusing seeing foreign guests on there who are expecting a U.K. or U.S. style panel show pull out stupid stunt comments or behavior. The physicists Brian Cox tried to do some Climate Change schtick on the show, bringing out visual cues, and it came off awkward because there wasn't the comedy show atmosphere and quick back and forth/yelling.

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>>136248847
Once you realize these aren't serious people, you have full latitude to bully the shit out of them.

Harden the fuck up, and you mock them harder than they mock you. Make them cry like the bitch niggas they are.

Our President has made this into an art form.

>>136251058

It doesnt even matter, look at this debate between a libertarian editor form Reason vs Rachel Maddow. She clearly has no fucking idea whats shes even talking about and gets taken to the tool shed, yet she gets applauded because she has this snappy little "shut up!" comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClGCGyKV_Co

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>>136248847
>>136248847
Because Political Arguments can never be won factually. They must be won morally. Morality is what is at stake in the west, therefore it must dominate your actions and words while on the campaign trail.

>he sincerely believes a rape joke by a fucking leftist defending muzzies was a outcome positive someone needs to think up defrnses from


Are you litdrally fucking retaded you fucking spastic?

Dont you really have ANY ideas that this stuff would be heaven send to anyone who is moderately intelligent?

Do you sincerely believe braindead libshsit NPCs reaction is the measurement of sucess in a debate?

Fucking hell.
I can think of 20responses on top of my head that would end his fucking career and if not severely damage it amd basically taint him forever as a sexist rape apologist pig

You spit on the sacred lamb, rape and women.
And youll pay for it

>>136251754
Nothing wrong with leaving interview/debate if you can do it normally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALBwaO-rAsE

>>136248847
>Mark Steyn debated Simon Schama

From Steyn's page:
>At the start of the debate, the audience voted 77 per cent pro, 23 per cent con. At the end of the debate, they voted again:
>The post debate vote is 55% pro and 45% con. The con side shifted 22% of the vote from the pre-debate results. Con wins.

They were debating in the Blue Pill Capital of Earth. Schama could have stroked himself for the entirety of the debate and still won.

Formal debating is overrated Classical nonsense anyway. It's a great advance from fighting with spears, but the idea that two meatbags can come to the correct solution to a problem by blowing air at each other is slightly ridiculous.

And as other anons have pointed out, we've already found the solution: meme harder.

Another one is stealing their positions.

It's something the Alt-Lite does that /pol/ finds hideously cringe worthy (and it is), but;

>Democrats are the reacl racists!

Is remarkably effective at upsetting them.

In the OP's case, adopting the position that you are the left wing, compassionate, feminist who cares about protecting women's rights and adominshing the "old misogynists" and the audience for finding rape funny, when it's actually deeply traumatic and life altering, etc etc makes them mad. Once they're mad they get flustered in a debate.

>>136252255
Thanks, apparently I wasn't angry enough already today
Digits observed, by the by

>>136250210
>The cold stare down - Like you're dealing with a class clown/retarded student.

This. Either way, the WORSE thing you can do is give them the response they want, you losing your shit and just saying "FUCK YOU!"

>>136252825

notice her circular logic

>BUSH DID IT!
>no he didnt, [goes onto explain it in detail]
>YEAH BUT BUSH DID IT!
>no he didnt
>BUSH DID IT!
>no, he did something that was similar, but not this
>YEAH, SO BUSH DID IT!

I used to think they were just being cunts when they ALL do shit like this, but I think they are just genuinely deluded.

>>136252255
i love how she couldn't name a single thing she sided with the red team on when he called her out on being a hardcore always blue team player. same for bill maher lol goddamn retards

>>136250440
>Arguing facts is not persuasive (when talking to a liberal.)

But this is untrue.

>>136248847
there werent 500 rapes on new years you retard

4 were reported and least 1 turned out to be fake

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>>136248847
>How do you win a debate against mockery?
here's a classic example

>>136248970
There will always be a derailing retard in every thread. Always.
(((You)))

>>136248847

The same way Trump did when he was shamed for his "new York values"

You just blow them the fuck out by showing how flippant and absurd their statement was.

Rape should have been easy. I would have brought up one particular example of a young woman that was ganged raped by Muslims and ask if they really think it's funny that it happend or are they just pandering?

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>>136248847
Simple, you wait until the Apocalypse comes and all the idiots who cheered and clapped idioticy instead of facing the facts and their implications die of starvation, disease and violence. And then you go after all the traitors while there is no police and all social services have gone bye bye. Just prepare and wait for the sovereign debt crisis to hit.

Read this:
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory-2/
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/

And you'll understand why it is not about facts or being right when you are dealing with treasonous leftists. It's biology, genetics and epigenetics (reaction to the surrounding environment).

Bonus tip: become a prepper.

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>>136249491
Leftists shut down facts by saying they're racist or sexist. Look at the left whining about Miller pointing out that the Statue of Liberty does not mean immigrants welcome everywhere.

>>136253608
>there werent 500 rapes on new years you retard

Think he was talking about sexual assaults

>>136253929
>Leftists shut down facts by saying they're racist or sexist.

I have never had this happen in an argument with a live person

Only on internet boards with government shill presence

>>136253894
>I would have brought up one particular example of a young woman that was ganged raped by Muslims and ask if they really think it's funny that it happend or are they just pandering?

this. Remember what saul alinsky said, make them live up to their own standards.

>>136253642
What a God.

>>136248847
Just literally say "not an arguement." And repeat it and don't move on till they give you a real response thats serious.

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>>136248847
>Romney was right
Lmao

>>136254034
I want your fucking life then mate
Whenever I try to have a discussion about feegees with someone left-leaning, not even a full ban just vetting/moderating intake, racism is their first and only defense.

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>>136248847
>What do you do when being right doesn't matter at all?
Walk away.
Let it burn.

>>136252355
just cuz he's normally suave and smooth doesn't mean that was a normal reaction. he was clearly bothered and showed it, it was pretty awkward. nothing normal about that.

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>>136248847

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>>136254034
>t. virgin shut in who has never interacted with a woman
Racist and sexist, women IRL shut down arguments with that bullshit excuse all the time. You need to get out of your mother's basement and interact with flesh and blood people more often.

>>136249491
>>Arguing facts is not persuasive.
That's true though.

>>136253457
No it is not. It is true.

you put them in ovens

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>>136249839
Always call leftists what they are FAKE HUMANITARIANS. Explain why their stances on things like illegal emigration add to the suffering of human beings and feed the greed of criminal human traffickers for example. Attack them at their core, they defend shit based on feeling because they want to feel good about themselves in a way, attack that, you'll be attacking them with the truth and you'll be making a dent on their sense of identity (cuz they're fake pieces of shit).

>>136254618
>women IRL shut down arguments with that bullshit excuse all the time.

Only if you're a fucking spineless bitch who can't articulate his point

>>136254710
I can say by experience you're making shit up

>>136248847

>personal attack
>debate "won" by popularity

These are both logical fallacies helpfully listed on this boards main page I suggest you read it if youre not familiar with them.

Furthermore, knowing the truth will always lead you to a life of solitude. The truth will never be poplar because its bitter sweet.

>>136248847
Don't debate. Don't watch debates. Don't watch e-celebs debate with straw men. Just shit post.

>>136249266
This. The trick would be to harp on his rape joke and make him out to be a terrible guy who deserves punishment.

>>136248847
A punch to the jaw and urination on the crowd.

>>136254524
You're going to feel bothered anyway even if you leave or not and everyone sees that. At least in my opinion there's no point staying in an interview where you're only humiliated. Specially if the audience is there doing the same.

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>>136250546
This. I can't believe that it if it weren't for the autismos during the Trump campaign I would probably still be a dumbass leftie... THANK YOU.

>>136254892

LOL

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>>136249105
The crowd literally has applause and boo signs m8. The way you win is to just be smirking and visually in control while dominating the discussion. The trained monkeys don't matter, the viewer at home does.

That's why sardonic characters like Milo do so well and why pedogate stopped working in less than a week to silence him.

>>136251567
You know what, these shit posts ideas should be made into a short film.

Character A is redpill bro.
Char B the leftard.

They debate.
That shit happens.
Char A goes thru out all those scenarios for a comeback in his head (imagine the redpill bro imagining himself as a mud and saying that and everyone getting all serious and shit, or he imagining himself about to inflict the rape on char B and ppl freaking out and him screaming "IS IT NOT FUNNY TO YOU NOW? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?").
And in the end he would give a good response and the audience would still be a bunch of retards.
Then in the end as he leaves the studio of the debate, in his head he is saying to himself "It's not about who is right for these people, they don't care, they won't care until it happens to them."

>>136251972
This.

We must strengthen our spirits. Our vision will not be taken from us by such pathetic opposition.

>>136249301
for real, i thought i was the only one who noticed this

>>136248847
>What do you do when being right doesn't matter at all?
You out-charisma the other person, duh.

Charisma always wins debates. Always. This is why Bernie Sandspergers lost to Hillary Clinton. Bernie Bros are always quick to chime in "C-crooked hillary man-- uh, manipulated the uh..." no she didn't. Hillary didn't manipulate shit, Bernie just lost because he's a fucking nerd.

>high IQ aspies will try to debate this

>>136249301
No, it was just another example of how out of touch and inept the dems are when it comes to real life issues. At the time, Romney was serious, and obama proved what an idiot he was once again by cracking a joke kind of how he shrugged off ISIS as a "JV team" then, you know, thousands of innocent people were slaughtered as a result of his inability to be an effective president.

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>>136256481
You realize it's been factually proven that there was a concerted effort for hrc to get the nomination over bernie right? Like do you have the memory of a fucking goldfish? People were literally rioting against Debbie Wasserman and the rest of the DNC at their convention because of it. That wasn't even long enough ago to forget about it, you're either a shill or legitimately retarded.

>>136256989
People forgot Obongo was spying on Trump during the election... you would think evidence of collusion would be forthcoming given this if it existed.

>>136257112
What does that have to do with the price of tea in china? The topic was the proven collusion of the DNC and MSM to cheat Bernie out of the nomination. I'm not even a Bernie fan but it was factually proven that it happened, multiple people even lost their jobs/careers because of it and you just tried to derail the topic completely.
Assuming that one doesn't exist because the other does or vice versa is an enormous logical fallacy.

>>136257961
Because they both went into the memory hole, spaz.

>>136256989
>it's been factually proven that there was a concerted effort for hrc to get the nomination over bernie right?
Yes, and there was a concerted effort by all the jocks and cheerleaders to get Carrie on stage so they could dump blood on her head, but that doesn't mean Carrie ever actually had a chance of winning.

Of course Bernie got played like a chump, I'm not denying that. But he got played like a chump because he IS a chump.

>>136248847

wasn't it like many thousands of sexual assaults?

Outmeme them like the god emperor

>>136248847

Mockery of opponent only helps gain you cheers from your own side and pisses the other side off.

People in the middle role their eyes.

Look at street fights. One dude makes fun of another guy in front of his girlfriend to impress her. A lot of people laugh. A lot of people roll their eyes. A lot people GTFO.

When the dude getting mocked punches back and starts beating the crap out of the other guy a lot of the people laughing start cheering the guy kicking the shit out of comedian's ass.

"Oh shit, Worldstar. Ya nigga. Kick his ass! Woo!"

>>136249169
Your country is basically the USSR under Stalin right now with censorship and cult mentality.
http://www.zeit.de/2017/30/fluechtlinge-medien-berichterstattung-studie/komplettansicht
I would kill myself along with a few other subhuman Germs if I were you

OP you're dead on and I despise this shit. The answer is probably because at their core people are degenerate. None of them can truly stay focused 100% devoted to intellectual thought. It's like watching 'gros chimp out and laugh at rekt jokes. They lose all train of thought and start spasming everywhere literally like monkeys. Everyone has that inside them white people just control it better. And leftists are the coons of white people so is it really that much of a surprise that when left leaning faggot politicians make a funny, the shit eating liberal audience eats it up?

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>>136248847
mockery isn't debate at all.

You simply need to belittle them to their audience, I think.

The standards for discourse fall so low under the likes of (((Colbert))) it is shameful to think about it to his viewers.

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>>136256989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URgiq25LGyk

>>136254034
You apparently have never been in a debate class in college

I had go sit through why everyone should be taxed 70% in order to facilitate and fund the importation of all of Africa and when I said that was a horrible idea because economics, GDP crash and societal unrest the response was calling me a capitalist asshole KKK supporting white oppressor, if I remember correctly

>>136254885
Tell a leftist about the studies and data on race and IQ, then come back and tell us how persuasive you were.

>>136254838
Nope, in High School I was in a psych class (honors, so 85% was female) and we were talking about sexual dimorphism and whether women should be in active combat roles in the military. I, being the oldest there and pretty well liked, was asked my thoughts and I said no for all of the physical reasons EXCEPT when women individually pass the exams. I was called a sexist for about 30mins before I went up to the computer and pulled up photos and gifs of what happens when women get caught in combat

Basically, I had to use emotion to back up fact.

>>136248847
>How do you win a debate against mockery?

You can't, just look at who's president now.

If you haven't watched all debates with Trump in it, go ahead and watch them. I still think you should watch them again though, see where things go right and wrong.

I have no clue. The way people's brains are wired, I think it must only be natural for people to take the strong biological emotional reaction caused by laughter/mockery and use it as an affirmation of their own viewpoints because it makes them feel good.

When it comes down to it the majority of our species seems to be a collection of conformist base creatures.

>>136249105
racist nazi bigot skinhead drrumpftard!
DIE!!!!!!

>>136249105
The audience was hard left to begin with. The fact Steyn converted more than two percent to his PoV is remarkable.

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>>136262514

If it was 500 feminists raped by evil white males, would you think that was funny?

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I wouldn't take this too seriously guys. It's Colbert jumping on a bed screaming pee pee. I mean come on...

>>136254838
Women tend to be emotional empathizers, men tend to be logical systemizers. Debating a typical woman is very different from debating a typical man.

>>136250036
liberals are the real sexists

>>136264060
I don't worry about Colbert because I know the only people watching him are the hordes of left-wing idiots who hate Trump anyway. There was an article published recently about how writers for shows like Colbert's are getting frustrated and fatigued because despite their relentless hammering of Trump they aren't converting anyone to their viewpoints. IOW, Colbert is just preaching to the choir.

>>136251350
larry wilmore is such a fucking nigger hack

>>136255623
>That's why sardonic characters like Milo do so well

Literally sold only 1 book in Great Britain.Sargon of Akkad has more followers than him.

You're overestimating the hype force behind him.

The supposed rapes that happened on New Year's Eve in Frankfurt have already been proven to be a hoax

>>136248847
Shit like this is why i sometimes think white people deserve to have everything taken from them, because of their stupidity

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The way to beat sarcastic attack is to be a "buzzkill". Don't get drawn into their inane banter, just keep pressing your facts. Make them look childish. The reason people lose to this sort of shit is they respond to the sarcasm. I didn't watch the interview but I bet he replied "of course I don't think about the rapes!" and then at that point you've lost. Never engage silliness and stupidity, brings you down to their level where they will beat you with experience.

Conversely, you can adopt the shitposting from the outset. This is where the alt right is better than old conservatives. We'll mock and sarcasm our way through the entire leftist tropes. It tends to work because people are stupid and love the "zingers"

Romney said russia was a geo political enemy, no what he said in the OP but peoples still thought he was nuts

>>136252042
This is the only right answer. This is why people on the right love Trump. They're tired of leftist retards laughing about life or death decisions they make.

>>136265634
You're wrong friend, even my normie friends who unironically call themselves alt-right think he's legendary.

>>136248977
Yes, when dealing with lefties the entire trick is to trigger them as best you can.

Slip a fact in there every once in a while but mainly make the point about mocking the other person. They can only get away with it when their opponents aren't employing their schemes.

We read Rules For Radicals, and we're using these techniques.

>>136249146
>http://www.munkdebates.com/debates/Global-Refugee-Crisis
Those are pretty cool statistics. You can immediately see how much change you made in one debate.

>>136265278
Seconded for nigger hack

>>136248847
It's a bit like what happened with Jeremy, if the same target keeps being roasted it eventually gives the person taking the ridicule the heat. They're being undermined but sometimes underestimated. When it comes to the other persons time to deal a blow they can wield [sic] all the heat thrown at them and potentially wipe out their opponent.

Ridicule can turn to sympathy and then hostility against the aggressor.

>>136248847
Sexual assault =/= rape

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>>136248847
The problem is democracy
>we even have women voting
The problem is democracy
>we even have women voting
The problem is democracy
>we even have women voting
The problem is democracy
>we even have women voting
The problem is democracy
>we even have women voting