convince me, a communist to become /pol/

>>136240721
facts over feelings
dumb cunt

>>136240789
im completely willing to reject communism if you give me a compelling argument

>>136240890
has your shitty ideology ever worked?

>>136240721
I believe that society should be formed on some type of competition, not on lowering the standards to support the weakest elements (socialism)

>>136240890
human nature isn't inherently good

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really tired of these random groups popping up in syria comprised of 50% believers 50% bored kurds

you can think there's these communist groups fighting in syria and that theres these gay/lgbt activist groups fighting or even antifa recently popping up in syria but the truth is they're not, is mostly bored kurds who are sympathetic for a cause

>>136240983
has yours?

>>136241025
yes

>>136241025
the failures of capitalism are when there is too much supply and not enough demand

the failures of communism are when there is too little.

>>136241106
examples?

>>136240721
Government enforcing Christianity is the key to a happy society. Marriages that stay, kids that overall function better and achieve higher limits. The destruction of religion is the worst thing facing people in the western world. People can't be good with their own brains. It always leads to unrepairable devestation under the guise of freedom. A mother hates the father and tries to parent solely in vain. The child almost always has mental issues which could have been avoided. Jesus was the shimmering light in a blackened void of darkness.

>>136241129
my country

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>>136240721
we dont want you, join your commie shitheads in syria walk in front of a t-55 please

>>136240721
thats a anarco comie flag isnt it

>>136241025
Free market and market competition have been consistent at providing majority of people with highest standards.

look ive been unhappy with a lot of aspects of communism for a while, if you can give me a solid argument for an alternative to communism i could be swayed

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>>136240721
No need. Hang around here long enough and it'll happen naturally.

>>136241338
why are you unhappy?
what is important to you?

>>136241338
Free markets are far more efficient than Marxist kike shit

>>136241264
>Paris Commune wasnt socialist, democratic council was made up of 70-80% business owners, had undemocratic police, only major cooperative which took up an abandon factory or abandon factories was the ironworkers foundry, and the Viva le commune flags that are flown around were mass produced by a private company instead of by a co-operative.
>Mahkno was known to forcefully conscript young men into his military making it not anarchist, as well as the fact that he would raid small villages participating in feudal capitalism and destroy them while stealing their goods, effectively ruining any social cohesion, and given all this, less than 10 percent of Ukraine was socialist.
>Anarchist Catalonia was not anarchist, as it had military conscription. It also forced agricultural workers to the land they worked on, effectively having armed guards at all times monitor their actions as to make sure they did not attempt to escape. The government also forced the murders of a 1000 or so clergy, including nuns and priests. It is also believed the majority of businesses were owned privately, and that those which were cooperatized maintained a capitalist economic mind view.

>>136240721

fuck off melbourne you poof

It was a sultry A.M. in Havana and there I was, watching the sun come up. The first rays of morning made the sweat on my chest from last night's lovemaking start to glisten. It was days like this where it felt good to be Ché.

I sat up in bed lit my first cock-thick cigar of the day when Fidel started stirring. I slapped his ass the way I know he likes it and he turned around to kiss my hip. Yeah, that's it, bitch, I thought to myself. You know who your daddy is....

>>136240721
As an aussie you are probably of anglo-celtic descent.

Meaning you are "racial" trash under communist ideologies.

>>136242367
Somewhere outside somebody was playing the radio. Some Yma Sumac song was blaring. Or hell, maybe it was Bas Sheva with the Lex Baxter Orchestra? How the hell was I supposed to know? In thirty years, even fewer would be able to tell the difference, and in fifty years, these names would be, to most, forgotten.

I didn't even get a chance to ask yet, and Fidel wrapped his waking lips around my swelling member. Of course, I rarely had to ask. Most people would assume that he'd be the bottom, but if only they knew how badly I had him whipped....

"Oh, yeah, keep doing that...," I murmered around my cigar. "Yeah, now that thing with the skin...." I didn't even have to say it, but at this point I only said it all out of habit.

>>136242462
When he licked and sucked me stiff enough, I got up out of the bed and he instinctively flipped over and inched his sugar-candy asshole toward the edge of the mattress and slipped a couple of nicely firm pillows under himself. I handed him my cigar and he sucked it just enough, and careful not to get it wetter than it was. He knew I hated when he did that.

"Oh, Ernesto...," he moaned, as I rimmed him up nicely while filling my hand with the water-based lubricant. Marvelous medical invention this stuff is.... So many times, it's made me greatful for a lisence to practise medicine. I glopped up myself and Fidel's precious hole with lubricant and eased myself in gently.

"Tell me about the revolution and how marvelous it shall be, Ernesto...," he said, handing me back my cigar.
"Oh, I'll tell you more than that...," and through all the bucking and writing and squishy noises, Fidel and I talked of Marxist revolution as he and I gazed amorously into each other's eyes, dark and passionate. Oh, how could we let this end?

>>136242453
nah southern European

>>136241025
What a stupid-ass question.

>>136242453
(its op im just playing around with the flags)

>>136242578
im not here to argue about communism i want to hear about your ideologies

>>136241264
>Chavez
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

>>136242721
What's funny? He inherited an oil-rich nation and turned it in to shit.

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>>136240721
Communism is not economically viable.
It is not possible to create an economically egalitarian society without destroying all wealth and returning humans to a state of nature. The natural state of humans is naked and afraid in the wild. Everything humans have ever accomplished and used to improve the entirety of the race has been achieved through market action and the freer the market the faster technology is able to improve that condition even further. The poorest person in Africa has something that makes their life better than just being naked and afraid for their whole life. Whatever that tiny little thing they have, that brings them even the slightest comfort, exists because of a market. Communism would require forcing people, like me, to not trade with each other and someone would have to be given the authority and ability to enforce that rule. So you would, necessarily, be required, as we've seen over and over again, to create a hierarchy based on the monopoly of force within a geographic region, or a State. Whoever controls the State will use it to enrich themselves and their friends at the expense of the people, as all States must do to survive.
>>136241136
Jesus don't real, ma dood
Some guy regurgitated a bunch of Buddha's teachings and the Jews of the time completely fucking misunderstood and just made up a story based on ancient Egyptian allegory.

>>136242813
the comic you posted is supposed to be pro communist dude. It's straight from leftypol, check the archives

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>>136240721
No one will convince you. Eat shit and move to North Korea.

>>136243138
id love to go to north Korea if i got the opportunity, even you must admit it would be interesting

>>136242694
Okay sure, here's one: Completely normal everyday capitalism.

Pros:
>More businesses are opened because their money is secure, so more inventions like the TV remote, the Phone, Electricity, etc.
>Even if you're poor you benefit because everyone gets richer, even now the bottom 10% of the USA have TVs, housing, phones, etc.
>You're always in control. You don't need to look around for nepotism or worry about corruption or do any "who you know" cases, if you're good, you'll get there eventually.
>It virtually always works. The USA is the land of plenty, the whole world wants to go there.

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>>136240890
This might not convince you, but it'll make you think about things in a different way:

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory-2/

Only you can change the way you see things and abandon the scam that communism is.
And /pol isn't just one person with one ideology you dingus.

>>136240890
>im completely willing to reject communism if you give me a compelling argument
Name 1 thing you currently enjoy in life.

Exercise/wieghtlifting

>>136241264
why isn't hitler on that list?

>>136246049
Fascism is "good" communism
The right is as delusional as the left
Alt Right and SJW's sound identical when a competent brain listens to them.

>>136240721
There no single /pol/. Instead I would like you to accept free market capitalism as the superior system. How did the economies of socialist countries do in the last decades? Not so well. The freedom of speech wasnt particulary safe either. Marx formed his idea about capitalism being bad in a time where industrialisation and its dangerous early factories caused huge problems for the working class. But further progress through innovation driven by the free market largely erradicated those problems. The prediction that the workers will be worse and worse off did not come true. Instead things are getting better.

>>136240721
There is no bigger argument against communism than going out into your community and meeting some of the people. You are free to take this however you wish.

>>136240721
>convince me, a communist to become /pol/
Nah, I can explain to you what Communism means to me, but I'm not going to try to convince you to be a Communist, for one being a Communist sets you up against the current system, convincing people to go against their short term rational self interest is not my cup of tea.

For me Communism essentially means "From each according to ability for each according to need"

The main critique of Capitalism is that Capitalism gives people with money unfair advantages over people without money, this leads to the rich using their advantage to make more money and the easiest way for a capitalist to make more money on a product is to pay the people producing the product less.

If you are interested in Communism you should read some Marx and figure out on your own if you agree with what he says or not.

A comrade who is capable of independent thought is a valuable ally, a comrade who just repeats what other Communists says is worthless to the movement.

>>136247734
This is sadly true, most Communists I met IRL were full of shit.

Out of 10 Communists IRL at least 6 are retarded tribalists, 2 have serious mental health issues and probably 2 are capable of quality thoughts. Here on /pol/ Communists are far smarter than the ones I met IRL which is sad and encouraging at the same time.

>>136247510
I moved away from using the word "capitalism" because too many of the thoughtless stop listening at the mentioning of that word, but also because it is not intellectually honest to support both a free market and a very specific way to organize a "free" market.
In a Capitalist society, the Capitalist owns the means of production.
In a Socialist society, the employees own the means of production.
Both are viable and both exist in the US today. Most businesses are capitalist but some are employee owned or are a member of a co-op. So now you want to make the point that in Ancapistan the hippies are free to live n a commune and the socialists are free to have their co-ops, but then why even bother with the C word? What you really want is a free market. And free market=/=Capitalism, or there wouldn't be two separate words.

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>>136240721
How much of your paycheck do you give to people poorer than you?
If the answer is anything except "nearly all of it" then you are a faggot larper who doesn't actually believe in communism and you should immediately take a bath with a toaster.
You expect other people to make sacrifices so that everyone can feel "equal", yet you are unwilling to make any personal sacrifices for the same objective.
The only thing you care about is feigned moral superiority.

You should kill yourself, you stupid fucking nigger.

>>136241025
yes and it took the goddam globe,comunists and capitalists combined to stop it.

>>136248358
A truly free market doesnt have to be organized by anyone. Oder forms naturally. As it largely did outside of occasional governent interventions. Nobody went down a hill and told the people :“go forward and form corporations“. I support the free market. And the order that follows from it naturally. Anarchy simply means the lack of a goverment, wich is a illegitimate monopoly on power. Order can still exist in it.

>>136247750
I'm not going to do a more difficult job if I'm not going to get paid more for doing it.

>>136249717
I agree with everything you're saying. Capitalism is a specific type of market. It defines who may or may not own a thing based on the values of a society.
>may or may not
not a free market.
I'll point out that I believe that the more "capitalist" a business is, the more likely I believe it will succeed in the market, but I'm confident enough in the market to "allow" competing economic models to try and out perform capitalism. In a free market, at least initially, there will be competing economic models and by saying "I'm an Ancap", or "I'm a smelly commie" or "I'm a libertarian socialist/agorist" then you are just advertising which model you support in the market, but if you are about free market, whichever model you support is irrelevant because, at the end of the day, you support whatever the market decides, or you're not a free marketeer.

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>>136250289
>I'm not going to do a more difficult job if I'm not going to get paid more for doing it.
The wealth distribution I argue for is what 92% of Americans choose as ideal.

I believe that currently some kind of inequality is necessary as an incentive structure, but the incentive structure has become twisted and disproportional.

Government should try to limit inequality. A nuclear physicist shouldn't be making less than he/she is currently making, but I do want to take away most of Kim Kardashians money.

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>>136241149
Underrated. Based Swiss please give me refugee status. I will bring many barrels of sweet north-sea oil with me.

>>136241338
OP, read the following dump. It never fails to bring a white anarchist / communist / marxists into the light.

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>>136241338
>>136252625

1/4

>>136252118
>I want to take away
Authoritarian
Getting rid of the State will solve wealth gaps better than any government program.

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>>136252665
>>136241338
>>136252625

2/4

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>>136252710
>>136241338
>>136252625

3/4

>>136240721
No, fuck off you stupid kike, stop replying to leftypol threads everyone

Have a bowdenpill instead >>136252040

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>>136252742
>>136241338
>>136252625

4/4 - Read it.

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>>136240721

>>136252693
>Getting rid of the State will solve wealth gaps
The tooth fairy is real kids, just lose all your teeth and you'll be rich

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>>136240721
>lack of trigger discipline
>pointing the barrel directly at each other's feet
yep, they're communists alright

>>136240721
Wish washy faggot.

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>>136240721

>>136240721
>convince me
>a communist
Fuck off, faggot. They only thing you can become here is a body hanging from a tree.

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>>136240890
ok. The LTV is bullshit, machines CAN produce more value than they cost--contrary to Marx's ridiculous hypothesis that they depreciate in value by the same amount that they produce value.

"Communism" as in the final stage of society according to Marx is a post-scarcity society, meaning there is no scarcity (this is necessary for "to each according to his need" and many other postulations of Marx). This, of course, is a priori impossible, since respurces are finite and humans will always compete for those resources.

GDP growth is observed to be much stronger under capitalist countries than under commie countries--and wealth inequality isn't really that meaningful. If you're above 100 IQ and you play your hand well, you can easily become rich or middle class in America to this day.

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>>136240721
FACT: - Though only 12% of the population, Blacks take 38.3% of the total of all welfare payments. Whites are 72% of the population, and take 30.5% of the total.
http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/leavers99/race.htm#fig1

FACT: - Though only 12% of the population, Blacks take 38% of taxpayer-subsidized housing
http://www.huduser.org/datasets/assthsg/statedata96/descript.htm

FACT: - Blacks are responsible for 40.8% of all domestic violence cases, despite being only 13% of the population.
See page 28:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/vi.pdf

FACT: 28% of Black males go to jail, vs. 4.4% of White males.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

FACT: - Blacks are four times more likely than Whites to kill their children
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/children.cfm#kidsrts

FACT - Blacks "were 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 2005"
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

Fact is black teens comprise only 15 percent of all U.S. teenagers but were 70 percent of all news AIDS diagnoses in 2012, according to CDC
http://www.louisianaweekly.com/hivaids-take-heavy-toll-on-black-youth/

Fact is research shows black women, many living in Atlanta, are being infected with HIV -- so much so that the new cases are being compared to African countries.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/240913/3/HIV-crisis-facing-black-women-in-metro-Atlanta

Fact is Black Privilege means being responsible for virtually all crime in Atlanta: Blacks are 54 percent of the population but are responsible for:

- 100 percent of homicide
- 95 percent of rape
- 94 percent of robbery
- 84 percent of aggravated assault
- 93 percent of burglary

Source: APD Uniform Crime Reports, Apr 2011 to Apr 2012
http://www.atlantapd.org/uniformcrimereports.aspx

>>136240721
Go read a book about Mao faggot.
This fucking generation is so fucking hopeless.

>>136241118
The failures of capitalism is when there is too much regulation. Central banking caused the great depression because the fed hoarded onto its gold reserve. The 2008 crisis was caused by the affordable housing act in the US. And many more examples...

>>136252998
Authoritarian Communism (State Capitalism)
seriously dood, read a book
The State is the reason behind the wealth gap, as I have already explained. Get an education and come back in a few.

>>136240721
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ehMRhCIo1Ss