Alt Right vs Skeptics; the coming war

>>136236475
Fuck off kike

>>136236475

>Skeptics

Fedoras who don't believe in morality. All should be purged.

>>136236475
Skeptics are the fedora fags who grew out of the fedora but still think they are smart. Get the fuck out.

>>136236475

The alt-right's lack of concern for respectability is only a real advantage against leftists, not skeptics.

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>>136236475
>Let's examine the strengths & weaknesses of each

posting in a shareblue divide and conquer thread

>HEY GUYZ, DON'T YA HATE THAT NORMIES ARE GETTING RED PILLED???

>DON'T YA HATE THAT THE MAINSTREAM IS WAKING UP TO OUR SIDE???

>DON'T YA HATE NATIONALISM IS RISING???

>WE MIGHT ACTUALLY WIN OR SOMETHING!!!

>DOESN'T THAT SUCK???

>WE SHOULD STOP THIS!!!

>DON'T YOU AGREE???

Character assassination is when you try to make a person irrelevant because you destroyed the perception of their personality. You try to make it so nobody likes them anymore, so nobody listens to them anymore. You do it when you see that person as a threat.

You can spot it when there's clear spam about a certain person, and asking who benefits from that spam. e.g. /pol/ doesn't benefit from abandoning Lauren Southern. She is starting thousands of normies down the redpill path.

Shareblue/antifa does benefit. This is a shareblue character assassination attempt, using stuff they think will get /pol/ to hate her. Lying about her being jewish is one way. Calling her a slut/racemixer is another. Calling her a coward or weakling is another. etc. etc.

It's to shareblue's benefit if every alt-light and alt-right personality gets entirely discredited so /pol/ no longer has any big voices on their side, and normies stop getting redpilled, which is why they do it.

You cunts are here to try to neutralize /pol/ and the other places you brigade before the 2018 and 2020 elections with your retarded divide and conquer tactics.

All that means is that nationalism is going mainstream, something that should be encouraged at all levels, and it also means you commie pieces of shit are losing bigger than shit.

Die in a fire.

>>136236787
>The alt-right's lack of concern for respectability is only a real advantage against leftists, not skeptics.


It's an advantage in a debate, because the Skeptic most toe the line on many mainstream concepts

The Alt Right will appear more focused, but need to be careful this doesn't come across as deranged and obsessive

For example, the Cenk Shapiro debate, Shapiro was autistically focused on Cenk whereas Cenk was also addressing the audience and sounding reasonable

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>>136236475

>Skeptical

You mean faggot atheists, right?

Fuck off back to plebbit, fedora.

>war
God I hope some of you fags kill yourselves. It would make the world a better place for everyone.

>>136236875

Never heard of Shareblue

I am not Alt Right, Skeptic or leftist (I agree mostly with the Alt Right)

I am analysing each side

>>136236475

SJW's won't debate the alt-right because they are largely immune to the SJW's main weapons of bigotry shaming.

SJW's love debating skeptics though, because they can get them on their back foot easily by calling them racists, and then the debate becomes centered around whether or not Milo/Sargon is a white supremacist or not, not any actual issue of substance

>>136237016

The starting gun was fired yesterday by Millennial Woes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Fgc_xkHII&t=993s

Kraut and Tea is making a video on cultural marxism right now

I have pointed out on /pol/ many times in the last year how weak the Frankfurt School argument is

Hopefully this internet war will weed out some of the alt right's weak points

>>136236475
>cringeworthy Cultural Marxist theory
I swear when is this Summer ever going to end. Has anyone here read Marcuse or deleuze? No because /Pol/ is an eceleb shithole now

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>-nostalgic for an "uncool" traditional family structure

You think this is bad? Lurk more faggot

>>136236475
Another weakness of the "Alt right" (a term I don't really like, but which I probably fall under) is the whole jew thing. Yes, it's true. Many jews are behind leftism in the West, but that's a fact that 95% of people will NEVER accept, no matter how much evidence is shown to them.
And it makes our positions and ideas (especiallt race realism/opposing demographic replacement) too easily attackable by just saying "huur nazi". Go slow on the redpill: our first objective should be that of ensuring we still exist in 100 years. The JQ comes later imo

>>136237143
Again.
>war
>posting videos on the internet
Do you guys even realise how faggy you look to the rest of the world?
>Oh look at me, I'm posting videos on the internet. I am such a warrior.

>>136236475
Depends on the situation, if the skeptic sides more with the alt right/trump/nationalism/anti globalism he should be promoted, so we avoid as much as possible class on class warfare.

It is IMHO the main reason why communists where defeated by Nazis in Germany, since Stalin had them fight everyone who is not a communist on the left to purge the left of other options.

We see this with every red pilled person getting excommunicated.

Build fucking coalitions with persons you can think you can thrust at least in the short term.

We can fight amongst ourselves after we win the fucking war in the first place and not fragmenting just before ensuring that our side is victorious.

Sadly this is a continuous fight, that really has no final victory, just the endless push of cultural orthodoxy vs counter culture.

Do not fall pray to any potential PsyOps that may exacerbate internal divisions (easy to break any cohesion on main topics like freedom of speech and free flow of information) but at the same time judge for yourself the risk of people being either a infiltrator/ agent provocateur and voice any suspicion about it while continued using to fight in the right direction

>>136236475
I'm going to flip shit the next time I see this bitch's face on the catalog.

>>136237190

Can you explain why women in every nation from Iran to Malaysia, have entered the workforce en masse?

Are Guatemalan schools hives of cultural marxist theory?

Or is it more likely that mechanisation, the electrical grid and the personal computer created job openings for women

>>136237206
>Another weakness of the "Alt right" (a term I don't really like, but which I probably fall under) is the whole jew thing.

Jews could have faded from human history 500 years ago

We would still have the internet, decline of marriage, women doing office jobs, decline of religion, birth control, abortion

These are all outcomes of the hunter gatherer human dealing with new technologies. To a degree we are mal-adapted. The Alt Right has no perspective on this, they're lazy on gender.

>>136236875
Preach on!


Seriously awe might need a general guideline bullet point meme to prevent fragmentation and internal conflict when we fight what is essentially an entrenched establishment that was built by both parties who just switch sides.

Some of us might be skeptical of trump, but one has to give him the benefit of a doubt since he pretty much hijacked the Republican and the mainstream right wing party of the USA who sure as shit known just go along with it to not lose face but would be willing to turn on him if given the excuse.

>>136237019
Lobbying group for the Democrats who attempt to either batter support for their party or destroy support for trump. The two are essentially the same anyway.

>>136236475
You're a fucking retard
>believe Feminism is a pushed agenda rather than a byproduct of technology creating jobs for females
Technology has nothing to do with women having jobs. Women worked since the prehistorical times and through entire human history.
Feminism in US was used by corporations to crash wages and make labor cheaper. Now women are forced to work, whether they want it or not.

>war
If it would become an open "war", which the MSM would report on, that would be great. Like drive the left and centre out of the discourse But (((they))) are not that stupid, SO NIGGERS STOP! Communists, Islam and the jew are at the door and in power. Not really clever to rip yourself to shreds.

>>136237722
>Technology has nothing to do with women having jobs. Women worked since the prehistorical times and through entire human history.

Women could never match male productivity in physical labour work. Compare the typical job occupations 100 years ago to today.

Just because a woman was working, and working part time often, did not imply equal productivity to a man doing a more vital, physical job, for longer hours.

If the "tool" is a personal computer connected to the internet, then a woman can match a man. We even have child care as a market/government service nowadays, versus relying on family.

All of this is an outcome of technology, not a nefarious project.

>>136237508
What is this post even
Is this what /Pol/ has become
God Help us

>>136236475
The "youtube skeptic community" (perhaps the single most retarded name I have heard) aren't on the right. They are on the soft left.

You also forgot the alt right are essentially authoritarians or fascists in the pros list.

>>136236475
yet both options are deemed unacceptable by the left. so the alt right wins either way. they either red pill a little or a lot.

>>136237110
This

>>136236475
The skeptics are just special snowflakes for whom the left isn't special enough.
They don't believe in anything they say, so they won't win anything.

Hey look everyone its another divide and conquer thread.

sage

>>136237143
the cultural marxist argument only sounds dumb if you talk about it superficially (which most alt-right youtubers do), it's when you plunge into the evidence where it becomes plausible.

problem is not many right wingers know what cultural marxism is and just spew third grade level shit, if you look at the famous works that spawned from the FS like Derrida's deconstruction of language, Focault's Biopower, Horkheimer's theories of family as a power and oppresive structure, Fromm's reduction of man as only a material creature, Habermas's "reconstructive science" and such is when you can make a real ironclad (and correct argument) for cultural marxism.

yes most normal people will understand the superficial notion of cultural marxism as the principal promotor of rampant materialism (maybe not at first but from experience when you point it out it plants a seed of doubt which inevitably transforms into a redpill) but this fedora asswipes get around the simplicity with by using circular ad nauseaum arguments, you just have to see their "round tables", they only sound deep but just by deconstructing their arguments (a great tool for debate, thank you Derrida and your bullshit) they become cirucular self referencing bullshit.

You need to go deep with this shit and not many on the right wing youtube know what they are really talking about when they speak of cultural marxism, believe it or not many of us would benefit from (((social theory))) courses at uni where they touch this shit, I know I have thanks to my IR theory courses and it has given me the tools to fight them with their own tools

>>136237206
you can touch the JQ and make people agree with it (albeit partially most of the time) if you don't go "Gas the Kikes, Race war now" from the moment you open your mouth, problem is most of them youtubers go full SS when it comes to talk about kikes

>>136238155

Not an argument

The Alt Right has to explain gender relations are the same in every non Western country

Some of these countries have zero Jewish presence and yet the same dynamics are at play

>>136237319
this, we need to build bridges instead of burning the fucking river

"divorce in Iran is soaring. Since 2006, the rate of divorce has increased more than one a half times to the point where around 20 percent of marriages now end in divorce."

must be all those Jewish intellectuals in Iran

Rise in divorce in Iran linked to shift in status of women
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-divorce-idUSKCN0IB0GQ20141022

>>136238856
t. Schlomo

>>136239068
>problem is not many right wingers know what cultural marxism is and just spew third grade level shit, if you look at the famous works that spawned from the FS like Derrida's deconstruction of language, Focault's Biopower, Horkheimer's theories of family as a power and oppresive structure, Fromm's reduction of man as only a material creature, Habermas's "reconstructive science" and such is when you can make a real ironclad (and correct argument) for cultural marxism.

None of these guys invented a thing. None of them predicted the rise of the internet. If Germany lacked a Jewish community in the 19th and 20th Centuries, had no expulsion, no universities discussing these abstract ideas, we would still be where we are today.

>>136238856
wish it was, wish it was. Those stupid attention whores are about to eat themselves, while the communists and the jew laugh and we lose our normie squads... expect more shitstorm and more attention whore threads

>>136239612
>Those stupid attention whores are about to eat themselves
As far as I understand their "community" has fractured multiple times already, libertarians are ultimately individualists which does not build strong communities. 14/88.

>>136239969
>As far as I understand their "community" has fractured multiple times already, libertarians are ultimately individualists which does not build strong communities. 14/88.

What's the point of a Skeptic community in 2017 anyway?

I can see the point maybe 20 years ago when religion was more relevant to US politics

Put it this way; someone could be a secular Christian and agree with 99% of what Sargon says

>>136239584
>none of this guys invented a thing
>what is social and political theory

next you'll be telling me Pythagoras wasn't the father of geometry, the internet has nothing to with it, you are telling me Derrida's deconstruction of language for example isn't one of the primary reasons everything is viewed as a "social construct" or Focault's Biopower isn't one of the reasons even a fucking relationship between a couple is viewed as an oppressive power structure by academia, or that Habermas's "reconstruction" wasn't the precursor of rampant relativism in society? god damned if yours is an example of "skeptic" argumentation then it just proves that they are retarded and incapable of of anything else outside of character assasination

>>136240226
the "skeptics" evolved from being just edgy Richard Dawkins worshippers to somehow thinking themselves as the next Voltaires and Rosseaus why I do not know, maybe it's the result of self serving intellectual narcissism

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>>136236475

>ALL THE WAVES OF FEMINISM ARE FALSE

Women do not deserve to vote, they are not equal to men as soldiers, they are not even close to economic production even with ll the feminized school systems, PC workplace and post-secondary quotas they cannot compete against men, and they still do not pay anywhere close to 50% taxation

Women are inferior to men in every fucking possible way, and they are not, not held to any real standard of accountability, responsibility

THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO VOTE, UNDO ALL FEMINISM,

>not muh 3-4 waves are bad, mm'kay

are you dense motherfuckers still trying to normalize the 'alt right'

there is no 'alt right'

everyone who uses that media-invented expression is part of the controlled resistance

there are united states loyalists, and there are traitors to humanity, these are the two factions in play

>>136240427
>maybe it's the result of self serving intellectual narcissism
This is possibly the most succinct way I've heard it put, essentially all they do is point out basic underlying logical flaws in arguments unstable leftists make. No one takes these leftists seriously anyway, and often times they spend 20 minutes explaining (or yelling in Sargons case) this simple concept.

>>136240531
The term alt right or new right has been in use since around 2012 as far as I recall.

Sieg Heil Mein Volk!

>>136240656
you fucking kikes are going to burn slowly in hell

and I give you my word I will neither smile nor frown, I will not even look in your direction as your skin begins to peel off

alt-right was invented immediately by the media at the same time that the russia conspiracy was invented, to marginalize, label and explain away the US loyalists who helped trump, and the political movement behind him, a fact that was repeated thousands of times immediately after the expression was first used here, less than a year ago

>>136240866
But Spencer has been using "Alt-Right" for years before that, and Bowden spoke at several "New Right" meetings in the early 2000s.

>>136240866
>alt-right was invented immediately by the media at the same time that the russia conspiracy was invented, to marginalize, label and explain away the US loyalists who helped trump, and the political movement behind him, a fact that was repeated thousands of times immediately after the expression was first used here, less than a year ago
You're welcome to your opinion but it is wrong.

>you fucking kikes are going to burn slowly in hell
Ironic coming from the country with the largest Jewish population outside of Israel.

It's not my fault you don't know about the white nationalist movement, I can assure you it did not start "last year or whatever haha" as a reaction to the media.

Race or gender is still identity bullshit. Totally useless.

>>136241045
Race is the basis of nationality.

>>136240656
exactly, it's easy to take them down by pure deconstruction and by pointing out that they repeat shit ad nauseam, we just have to compare rightwing videos and podcasts to them for example Millenial Woes, he makes long as fuck videos but he makes argument behind argument to support his initial points, whereas Sargon just repeats the same thing for 2 hours

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>>136236475
Stop sowing division. Skeptics are useful idiots and foot soldiers to the Alt-right.

>>136239215
jews did push feminist theory. And feminism isnt as entrenched in academia in those other nations (rarely have gender studies departments). But you're right it isnt just Jews

>>136241045
And yet... it matters so much. Which is why people dont like diversity

>>136240866
and why is it wrong to appropiate the term? just calling someone right wing isn't enough this days, because normies associate the Right with idiots like Bush or Romney, we need to divorce ourselves from that bastardization of ideology and for the record people have been talking about an "alternative right" or a "new right" for atleast 10 years, the media just used the term alt right for categorization because we don't align with pop culture rightwing (soft left)

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>>136237143
Skeptics wont debate the altright, except maybe some guy called Vegeta1488 they are sure they can win against.

They wont debate Ryan Faulk of thealternativehypothesis.org

Or David Cedarwood who is pretty experienced at dealing with their arguments

Or Braving Ruin who also knows their arguments

>>136241113
Yes, the issue with this being they're not actually forwarding their ideology. Personally I don't have a problem with that because I think generally libertarians are as a whole weaker and less effective than something like fascism, I just find the whole thing boring and get sick of seeing constant threads about these faggots.

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>>136236787
it hasnt hurt the altright really. We had skeptic audiences attacking people denying race and race realism

>>136240283
>next you'll be telling me Pythagoras wasn't the father of geometry, the internet has nothing to with it, you are telling me Derrida's deconstruction of language for example isn't one of the primary reasons everything is viewed as a "social construct" or Focault's Biopower isn't one of the reasons even a fucking relationship between a couple is viewed as an oppressive power structure by academia, or that Habermas's "reconstruction" wasn't the precursor of rampant relativism in society? god damned if yours is an example of "skeptic" argumentation then it just proves that they are retarded and incapable of of anything else outside of character assasination

Geometry is used to plan tall buildings. The male-female relationship will inevitably be viewed as oppressive - by a minority of intellectuals - in a safe advanced society. Whether this theory is advanced by Focault or someone else 10 years earlier or 10 years later, does not matter. You confuse *inevitable* outcomes with individual human causes.

These are all reactionary theories waiting for (1) a human to advance them (2) more importantly, the requisite level of societal advance, driven overwhelmingly by technology. Most of your personal research into these matters has been a complete waste of time.

remainder that the egalitarians are trying to brute force into the alt-right movement to enforce leftist ideals on right wing people.

anyone who two pair of eyes can tells its a coup attempt. feminists and liberals saw this coming and trying to soften the blow by making alt-right people agree with degenerate things the alt-right was never founded on

>>136239969
>"community" has fractured multiple times already
That's not bad in itself, open and free competition helps to determine what line of argumentation survives and should be followed, something every libertarian will go through at one point (and will logically become an authoritarian because you need other whites to beat a bunch of Nigger) but those whiners, white knights and betas in their basements, on both sides, BUTTHURT FAGGOTS and false flagging attention whores. Point is, both were considered as gateways, just like the_Donald, and strangely the last was a better investment.

I'm going to watch Hitlers declaration of war on poland, need to calm my jimmies.
https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=kCLArCbig9I

>>136241422
>don't worry goy shit happens just do nothing

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>>136241113
they dont realize that you can also deconstruct individualism. There's nothing that makes it more sound than group identity. Think about it:

1. Free Will isnt real. All you are is your genes and environment

2. Neither of which you provide for yourself, at most you choose your peers but even that will be influenced by genes

3. You only exist because your parents sacrificed their free time

4. You are born into a social, legal, scientific, and cultural context you don't pick

5. The best way to ensure the social context in point number 4 cares about you is to make it the creation of people who have an organic attachment to you

>>136238115
Women still have lower productivity than men, even on a computer. You have no argument. And in the 60s there were no computers, you dipshit.

>>136241486
>That's not bad in itself, open and free competition helps to determine what line of argumentation survives and should be followed
My main issue is what they are arguing about is inane. You make a good put but I would counter the finer you measure something the more you lose track of the big picture.

At the moment for them it is seemingly just about pointing out basic logical fallacies in order to call people stupid. It's not hard and most of them make reasonable cases, but it doesn't forward any meaningful cause because they have lost view of the big picture.

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AltRight is talking about cultural marxism less and less I notice. Mostly focusing on the policies Jewish groups and politically organized Jews either push or advocate. And how those policies are against the interests of whites.

Which is sound. And mostly the debate with Skeptics is about race generically, the Jews rarely come up.

So I think that aspect of OP's >>136236475
analysis is a bit off
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>>136241220
>Skeptics are useful idiots and foot soldiers to the Alt-right.

its exactly the opposite. the alt-right is now controlled by woman just like the mra movement. in 2 years from now all the premier alt-right figures will be woman.
alt-right retards think woman are good because they bring views and shit, but its very dangerous to have a woman on the drivers seat, especially when they can inject their opinion to other men and soften whatever blow that comes from angry white males

>>136241593
>Women still have lower productivity than men, even on a computer. You have no argument. And in the 60s there were no computers, you dipshit.

Society was more mechanised in 1960 than 1920 and the level of female involvement in the economy increased accordingly

Women weren't waiting around for Jewish intellectuals to write theories on pieces of paper, they just had to have their eyes open to the world around them

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>>136236475
Why do you think skeptics will win on gender? Altright and Skeptics never debate gender really. And honestly, I think the altright advocating something more traditional (especially with Lauren Southern now doing this) is a huge advantage other the skeptics.

The skeptics advocate no normative position on gender. Which is empty and meaningless. They just say feminism is mean

>>136241875
I can't think of any notable women in the white nationalist movement.

Maybe you're conflating e-whores and the alt right.

>>136241875
Skeptics are controlled by women actually. AltRight women usually have to prove themselves, and /pol/ (though not altright but adjacent to it) will dig up dirt on girls.

>>136241914
This is shallow. Yes, economic and technological changes made women join the workforce. The fact that you will read about how all men are rapists and books by Dworkin while pursuing a gender studies degree is due to (largely) Jewish academics.

Nothing about working in the workforce makes you think physics is wrong because it focuses on the penis too much. Feminist Physics is a real thing btw

>>136241936
the whole feminism debate is meaningless, woman vote on their best interests, men shut the fuck up. there is no gender debate on something that is already agreed on

>>136242031
the alt-right is primarily an internet movement, i don't see any angry young men in the streets

>>136242031
there are some but they really just make content on youtube palatable for Normies. Only Lana Lokteff really qualifies and she's been around for a long time with her hubby

>>136241770

more Alt Right cringe on the nuclear family.

The nuclear family itself was a "degeneration" from the earlier extended family. What's so traditional and wholesome about a man & woman living miles from their parents?

So the nuclear family was not a notion which was advanced and then abandoned. It was merely a way of life which arose organically during a certain period of societal development.

Just as the extended family could not be magically brought back in the 1950s, so the nuclear family cannot be resurrected today.

>>136236475
I just wanted to say; you write HORRIBLY. Let me guess, state school?

>>136242085
did you miss Berkeley, the Confederate Statue stuff, Pikeville, etc?

Identity Europe just held a training marathon a week or two ago

>>136242031
you guys are missing the point. what i mean by "soften the blow" is that woman will always decrease radicalism (good and bad). and will never advocate for violence (even if necessary).

im not here to lecture on psychology, its something that you should also know

>>136242124
>talking about how we need to go back to clannish extended family loyalty
>calls others cringe

The nuclear family's dissolution is actually due largely to assortive mating. The white underclass has lost it (though I have heard anecdotally that even unmarried dads are active in European nations), but the white upper class has actually become more nuclear family in this regard.

Also... skeptics dont debate gender with the altright so it isnt a drawback

>>136242236
Which is why most white nationalists are conservative and believe women belong at home raising 2.5 children mate.

I'm aware of the psychological effects of women on battle, but you don't take your women literally to battle.

>>136242356
at the end of the day, men do what woman want. and if woman vote socialist men will agree.

this is something that needs to be discussed more on the alt-right. im just saying people need to tread carefully about woman that leading protests and movements

>>136242562
it is discussed plenty really. It just isnt the focus like it is in the manosphere

>>136242085
>the alt-right is primarily an internet movement,
I'm not sure what you're saying, because we don't chimp out in the streets it's not a movement? BLM made a mistake, they acted before they had a critical mass behind them, and they want inane things like the right to break windows. The best way to achieve our goals isn't to burn down our neighborhoods.

>>136242562
>at the end of the day, men do what woman want
Psychologically the opposite is true, anyway I don't see your point when 52% of white women voted for Trump and 50% of women in the US are pro-life. Economic interests for women are exactly the same as for males, more so if the family unit isn't destroyed by the welfare state.

>>136241480
you have absolutely no idea what the alt-right is or who are actual members of it

>>136241636
>the finer you measure something the more you lose track of the big picture.
>lost view of the big picture
That's why there is a project leader, communication officers, research groups focusing on different themes and levels, meetings to discuss the issues and find a solution, if needed through a word of power by the project leader, communicated externally by the communication officers, else there would be no progress and just researchers throwing shit at each other.

And yes they all seem to think that they are leader, researcher and communication officer in one, what results in rhetoric battles and shit throwing, which will cost them funding and future projects. It couldn't concern me less, but with Youtube in purge mode, the jew and lefties standing at the gate and two defence lines about to go against each other... not good. Hopefully the left will do their usual mistake and one can throw some fire bombs into the shitshow and purge as much as possible

>>136242356
things is we discuss it and somehow curate our females, look at the Lauren Souther vs Laura Loomer shit that has been going on, both say they are nationalist and all that jazz, but Loomer is just a fucking opportunist as is being called out for it, while many don't like Southern (I don't really mind her, she is on the right track but I'm a wait and see guy so I reserve my judgement) we tolerate her because she atleast she puts her money (or her orbiter's money) where her mouth for example with the videos on the streets on paris, interviewing white french folks, the whole Save Europa shit, her lecture on traditional gender roles and such.

unlie skeptics we are not afraid of calling women on their bullshit when we see it

>>136243035

yea, they have standards to live up to, have to be willing to get bantzed, and if anything have to prove themselves more than men do (but also the women get defended more so it balances out)

>>136237657
Thats complete BS, even if more women are entering the workforces in Guatemala, Iran and Malaysia and staying in work longer, none of those places are turning into feminist shitholes or having Pride parades. Women being in work doesn't mean society and culture inevitably gets fagged up. This only happens in the West.

>>136243202
yea, no gender studies degrees or batshit feminist theory being accepted as mainstream and infecting all academic departments with its social constructivist nonsense.

None of that is due to the workforce being more female

>>136242970
Comes back to libertarians essentially being ultra individualists.

>>136243035
I personally don't mind Lauren Southern though I won't go looking for her content, it is generally informative. I have no idea who Laura Loomer is. Generally I only watch Steven Crowder for my "news".

The thing that turns a lot of white nationalists off these eceleb cunts is the jewish question, almost all the people discussed in this thread are blue pilled as fuck and unwilling to take their conclusions on communism to their logical conclusions. Big issue. I forgive them mostly though, Jared Taylor is the one which hurts the most.

>>136243346
well, some are good enough on race that it is permitted for them to be reticent to endanger their careers by being open about the JQ.

The altright isnt powerful enough to be choosy about people who have political power or some kind of influence on platforms they dont have (like youtube).

Basically they just ask for policy congruent with their racial views and no counter-signaling as a sign of mutual support

>>136240283
Based...Mexinigger? Huh. Broken clock is still right twice a day and all that. I would be curious of your opinion on Habermas' ideal speech situation, because afaik, Hab is one of the main theorists that the no-platformers draw upon in their theorizing, and we need to be able to take our arguments to the universities to purge them.

>>136243487
Yeah you make a good point.

So far i've heard that women get their political beliefs from men and that men do what women want.

If this isn't some leftists trying to cause discord and is instead introspection of "the movement" you guys seem pretty retarded.

>>136241567
> Free will isn't real
[citation needed]

Here's a better argument
1. You are a burger
2. All burgers are faggots
3. You are a faggot.

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>>136243581
and the thing with the JQ is, it does work. People do notice and either keep it to themselves, eventually admit it, or suffer from cognitive dissonance.

MillennialWoes for instance used to be hesitant about the JQ. Isn't now.

Gavin McInnes is an example of the cognitive dissonance on this subject

>>136243202
>Thats complete BS, even if more women are entering the workforces in Guatemala, Iran and Malaysia and staying in work longer, none of those places are turning into feminist shitholes or having Pride parades. Women being in work doesn't mean society and culture inevitably gets fagged up. This only happens in the West.

I just explained that gender dynamics are exactly the same where Jews are not present. We have pride parades in Japan and Taiwan and no Jews there.

The Alt Right has all this energy and memes on the subject of race, but on gender it gets very boring, very quickly.

1) blame Jews, copypaste Frankfurt School meme to sound intellectual and well-read

2) moan and bleat about not having a barefoot wife milking the chickens on a farmstead

>>136243712
even if free will did exist, all those other points stand. Individualism isnt methologically real because you benefit from a wider social context you dont choose at all

>>136243716
>MillennialWoes for instance used to be hesitant about the JQ. Isn't now.

Stumbling over your words and winking to the audience on the JQ is not convincing. Either talk about it or do not.

>>136243820
> Individualism isn't methodologically real
Gonna have to define your terms, mein dear burger.

Your argument also fails to adequately account for outliers, such as persons who were raised in poverty and want, yet have become commercially successful. You could argue that their genetics were so fabulous that they were able to transcend everything else, but I think that is unreasonable and completely fails to account for the variation in grit, 'care', etc.

The rest of your points are babby-tier
> I didn't choose to be born!!1!
Yeah, you didn't choose to be born, now what are you going to do about it? If you sort yourself out, and work at it; you could make your environment better, for yourself, for people around you, or you could sulk and be resentful. Life is worth living, Amerifat.

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>>136243725

"Boring" is not an argument

>>136243725
>>136244402
You didn't do the cooking by the book.

>>136244160
>Either talk about it or do not.
that seems like a pointless standard to have.

>>136236475
>be RageAfterStorm
>racemix and drug use in your teens
>wake up one morning feeling shitty about decisions
>decide to become NatSoc and make videos in hopes that people will forget about your previous degeneracy
wtf is up with modern women. makes me sick.

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>>136236475

>the Skeptics will win on gender,

0/10

Are you insane?

>>136236475
>caring about retards who call themselves skeptic or alternative right
L M A O
M
A
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>>136243539
I'm rusty on my Habermas (I'm not particulary academically inclined to constructivism, I'm a Post-estructuralist when it comes to social theories, take Zizek for reference but from a right wing perspective)

The problem I saw with Hab's ideal speech it's that it is a contradictory principle at it's core, he argues that rules for dialog should be set in stone and that in this rules (copied from the wiki, I don't have my IR theory book atm):
1. Every subject with the competence to speak and act is allowed to take part in a discourse.
2a. Everyone is allowed to question any assertion whatever.
2b. Everyone is allowed to introduce any assertion whatever into the discourse.
2c. Everyone is allowed to express their attitudes, desires and needs without any hesitation.
3. No speaker may be prevented, by internal or external coercion, from exercising his rights as laid down in (1) and (2)

So going by this you'll need expertise to talk about something but at the same time every motherfucker under the sun can participate in the discourse and their ideas would be equally valid since somehow according to this everyone would just use pure reason free of any cognitive prejudices which in turn makes the discourse become relativized ad infinitum since it's impossible for someone to judge an statement from a pure rational manner since our perception isn't based solely on reason, you will always have prejudices regardless if you are concious of them or not (Jung gives some insight into this on his book "Man and his Symbols" and I think in his treatsy on Archetypes). going by this you cannot have a pure rational debate going by the afromentioned rules of ideal speech this is something even Habermas came aware during the seventies after he was called out on his bullshit by other post modernists which in turn made him create new rules according something he called "Discourse Ethics" cont...

>>136236475
WTF

>>136243539
>>136244757
cont.
In this new ruleset you now have a clusterfuck of discourse where the objective is solely to find contradictions in arguments, if the argument is found to be contradictory then somehow it serves its purpose by demostrating that it proves that the thing you are arguing against it's correct, but then if no contradiction is found you should dissect the argument to find said contradictions.

TL:DR
Ideal speech situations are a clusterfuck of dialectics not even Habermas could wrap his head around

>>136236475
Its kinda funny, but the Skeptics are the ones that are not respectable.
Gavin Mcinnes
>shoves a dildo up his ass
Mike Cernovich
>does coke, blows a tranny (doubt that actually happened)
Ben Shapiro
>respectable but, only Jews can be identitarian goy

>>136243346
>Lolbertarians
fixed it. They consider themselves king and queens of their castles, slinging shit at each others wall, letting it rain faeces on their crowd, which runs too the next best thing, what if youtubes plays its cards right, will be jewish cuckservativs and bernie socialists with a sprinkle of Islam and communism. Maybe it is time for a torch the earth solution. If they want war, they should have war

>>136236576
Morality is a meme.

>>136244160
Would he not get fucked in UK for talking about JQ
He already got doxed and outed as a "Neo-Nazi"

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>>136244984
also in the new rules, absent of contradictions the argument must be tailored according to criticism and a morality standpoint to find said contractions so at the end it's only a matter of who could partake in intellectual masturbation for longer. I don't know why this shit is taught as a valid linguistics and discourse theory in schools but you can see this circlejerking and bastardization of dialectics in leftist discourse everywhere you go.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, this type of shit must be purged from academia, I'm doing my part tho, for my dissertation I plan to dissect most of the popular leftist ideas (or atleast what I deem most harmful) and counter them with right wing and traditionalist points, I won't go down without a fight, and I plan to infiltrate academia afterwards (after all my dream has always been being a history and political philosophy teacher at university level)

are you doing your part anon?

>>136238856
>HURR DURR SLIDE THREAD SETH RICH DID 9/11 SLIDE THREAD NEVER FORGET
kys

>>136238115
This is just retarded. By this reasoning we should all be beasts of burden just so women wouldn't compete. Feminism is marketing

>>136245764
Would you agree gender is a linguistic construct (therefor social) and humans don't possess a gender, words do.

>>136241875
>the alt-right is now controlled by woman just like the mra movement
>citation needed

>>136242847
>50% of women in the US are pro-life
kek

lol I love all the butt hurt from alt-right white supremacist groups who lay around watching their women get destroyed big black dicks and protest because they're so scared of the oncoming mix of people. Listen, the alt-right is the weakest and most stupid group of people in every political facet imaginable. It's great they gave you guys 4chan to sit around and talk about it in, because it's 100% useless to the rest of the world.

>>136245960
Depends on definition of pro-life but semantics aside, kek isn't an argument.

>>136240443
Are they not equal in Soul?

See, this is what believing allows you to understand.
You are not a decent judge to things that are way above you.
I presume you have never been in love, if you are able to say that the individual right next to you entire potential is entirely limited to what she has in her pants.

Yes, they are weaker, stupider, more deviant than we are, but they share the same spark that we have and that is something you should respect.

>>136246104
woman never say what they are really thinking, what are you 12?
im not saying woman are liars, but virtue signaling is effectively lying

>>136246208
So basically you're presenting your anecdotal position in response to something statistically measurable?

ok but that's not an argument

>>136245828
yes and no, since for the whole bulk of human history gender roles and norms have steemed from sex, women were the homemakers while men where the warriors because of their purely physiological differences (which encompass also cognitive differences) so going by that we do have a gender, male or female there's no inbetween, then I can also say that it's a linguistic construct because it's the way we conceptualize said biological dimorphism, words being gendered is just a byproduct of what we conceptualize as feminine or masculine hence the Tree is male because we see male characteristics in trees (most of them subconcious btw) while the Water is female because we associate it with feminine characteristics in that way I believe that gendered concepts are indeed a linguistics concept that come from sexual characteristics in humans.

All in all Gender is the same as Sex when applied to us, but it's a linguistical construct when applied to things external to us (like abstractions for example) but ultimately always coming down to bein male and female and no amount to feminist bullshit will change that

>>136246288
well yeah if those statistics demonstrate opinions, not facts.

>>136236475
>- nostalgic for an "uncool" traditional family structure
> 'cool' libertine outlook (freedom, drugs, porn etc)
Nihilistic postmodernist hedonist detected. You should kill yourself, nothing matters anyway right? Suicide is the only logically sound action you can take, doing anything else exposes you as a hypocrite who doesn't believe his own bullshit.

>>136246387
I agree, I didn't intend to imply sex and gender aren't intrinsically linked.

>>136246423
They demonstrate the fact of which opinion people hold, stop arguing like a woman you twat.

>>136246667
>Nihilistic postmodernist hedonist detected. You should kill yourself, nothing matters anyway right? Suicide is the only logically sound action you can take, doing anything else exposes you as a hypocrite who doesn't believe his own bullshit.

go blame the Jews for not being a Dark Age farmer you obese Viking

>>136246673
opinions can be bought and sold for the highest bidder, stop being so naive.
you just assume that most people have some sort of clutch reaction of telling the truth

>>136246673
I know my man but it was an interesting question many cannot address in depth (not implying that I can tho, I'm just a mexican international relations student after all)

>>136246816
There is no baseline for discussion with you.

I assert a statistically measurable fact, you simply say it is relative and could be false, if we aren't able to have a discussion based on an objective measurable phenomenon what is the point of even replying to me? Honestly?

>>136236475

The Alt-"Light" are the race realist ones!

The Alt-Right runs on fabrications about races, including their own.

>>136245941
yeah i have no evidence other than the millions of anglo saxon men that drool over laruen southern pale skin

>>136246971
the american election had statistically measurable facts that clinton will 99% win the election. or you are quick to forget?

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>>136236475
>- believe Feminism is a pushed agenda rather than a byproduct of technology creating jobs for females
>- biggest weak point is cringeworthy Cultural Marxist theory, an elaborated and eccentric idea related to the above point
>+ will be easy to ridicule the Frankfurt School/Marxist meme which a vocal (dumb) minority of the Alt Right spam

gee i wonder who's behind this fucking post

>>136246794
Typical "skeptic" aka neckbeard fedora response. None of you are "respectable", all you do is arrogantly proclaim your shitty uneducated opinions as fact.

You openly admit that you're against maintaining the social structures like the family that have always been vital for human survival. You disgusting fucks (all popular "skeptics" are disgusting fat pigs btw) are traitors and should be executed for treason against life. Life is sacred and you are a cancer on it that needs to be removed.

>>136236475
This is a false dichotomy

It's more understandable as materialists (the left) versus Traditinalists (the right)

Obviously there is a ton of overlap because the real world isn't cut and dry.

>>136237019
Then fuck off; your opinions here aren't useless and surface level.

You have no insight; you are intellectually and spiritually weak.

>>136247157
"Polling can be unreliable therefor all polling is unreliable"

Not an argument.

>>136247016
>Laura
>Alt-right
dumb

>>136236576
>>136245609
Morality is absolute.

>>136238856
This

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>>136244597
>Don't think, feel.
That really does sum up up their rationale on things...

>>136244757
>>136244984
>>136245764
Thanks for the effort posts. Where does Hab derive his justification in setting the rules for speech? Also, isn't the 'competence to speak and act' just limited to being able to talk? I don't see any requirement for technical mastery of a subject to be able to participate, it seems like Hab is just trying to get across the idea of
> if you want to talk and you are able to talk, you can talk
2c just seems childish, but I don't have a more fully articulated criticism for it at the moment.

What presuppositions underlie your thesis? Sounds interesting, but if you want my advice, see how Jordan Peterson structures his arguments to really make a big impact. If you can argue from first principles all the way to your conclusion, you'll have a really compelling case.

>>136247481
asking peoples opinions is polling, same turd in a different cover.
are you this legitimately retarded or just pretending?
most woman who are anti-feminists are supporting woman's rights. now asks yourself how does this compute? it does not. its all an act, you either submit to the patriarchy or you keep moving forward with the movement. woman know that "anti-feminism" is simply a way to discern themselves from crazy feminists so they can gain male attention

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>implying skeptics aren't giant tubs of lard with fedoras LARPing about kekistan and other Sargon of Akkad gay shit
Sad!

>>136248245
You're moving so far away from the refutation you're trying to make I have no idea what your point is anymore.

Is this the power of ancaps? You have been nothing but autistic so far.

Perhaps you should follow the chain back and work out just what the fuck you're trying to say.

>>136248516
im asking you how can you be anti-feminist and pro woman's right's at the same time?

with this argument alone woman have managed to trick us for decades. there is no human rights, only men and female rights. once you start correcting the "wrongs" it becomes the same shit as white guilt. feminism is by definition giving woman more rights than men (or similar) to compensate for the past.

>>136248713
>im asking you how can you be anti-feminist and pro woman's right's at the same time?
Because they're not the same thing... asserting a false equivalency doesn't make it so.

>>136248863
>Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social rights for women.

>>136242562
Women do what men want, anon.

Only the masses follow women.

>>136248955
Again, asserting something does not make it true.

3rd wave feminism isn't what you are describing.

>>136248986
most married men are floormops
your vision of an alpha male dominating his woman like shes some housewife slave bitch only exists in internet fiction

>>136249240
first wave feminism advocated for woman's voting rights but denied mandatory draft for woman in the military.

you see how easy it is for these concepts to collide with eachother? to this day selective service only applies on men, no woman has ever fought to change that.

>>136249393
Being drafted isn't a right you fucking moron it's the suspension of your rights due to dire exigent circumstances.

I'm done responding to you mate, you're a complete dipshit.

>>136241355
>They wont debate Ryan Faulk of thealternativehypothesis.org
This guy is fantastic, just found out about him the other day

>>136236475
>- biggest weak point is cringeworthy Cultural Marxist theory, an elaborated and eccentric idea related to the above point


That point proves u to be a francfurt school / marxist desinformation jew.


>>136236475
>- believe Feminism is a pushed agenda rather than a byproduct of technology creating jobs for females

That point proven u to be a francfurt school / marxist desinformation jew.

>>136236475
>- nostalgic for an "uncool" traditional family structure

That point proven u to be a francfurt school / marxist desinformation jew.

>>136236475
How the hell is egalitarianism considered a plus

>>136236475
the $$$Alt Right$$$ isn't real

>>136248176
I think his basis for the rules come from the idea that participants in communication would want to evaluate said communication from a purely rational point of view, in theory it's a great assumption but in reality it crumbles because like I said we cannot be purely rational and will never judge our communication process on the basis on reason alone, since it would makes us more machine than human since for all our rationality we are not purely logical and pragmatic beings, I believe the closer we can get (or the closer we got to this day) is the process of how AI interact with each other as was evidenced by the facebook AI they had to shut down because it created it's own language since it "thought" English was not efficent enought for logical communication.
I haven't dwell much on that subject really aside from what I've studied on constructivist theory.

also thanks for the advice, I actually love how Peterson conveys his ideas and yeah structuring my arguments is a problem I'm dealing with, all my teachers at uni always tell me the only problem they see with my essays and writings in general is that I start good but try to cram so many fucking ideas to support my initial arguments that I end up all over the place and sometimes it confuses the readers a little bit even if I manage to get my point across.

fucking ADHD man, makes my head go all over the place when I manage to get on track with something

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>>136249595
Poor little cunt got triggered. Now this poor little cunt is bleeding. Equal rights means that the women should, as you call it: Have their rights suspended for war too, faggot

>>136249807
>he never watched Fringelements
That turboautist Faulk has been btfoing lefties since like 2012.

>>136250518
>If I pretend that it does not exist it won't

>>136236475
skeptics are autistic, they arn't objective, in fact they live in an echo chamber and always try to disprove subjects against even a small point in their belief <THEY ARE THE NEW MODERN TIME INQUISITION>

>>136236475
Ok, I am really starting to debate getting a disposable account to finally make a fucking video to post on tubes, because this very situation is fucked.


Both alt right and alt lite or skeptics or whatever are wrong.

They are wrong by don't of ignoring the truth. Democracy is a constant scheduled warfare with words.

And since there are in effect only two sides, you have to accept the good and the bad in both.

If you are on the right you have to accept that you must make common cause with the extreme right, with racists with xenophobes, with actual missoginists, etc.

If you are on the far right you have to accept that you need the numbers of the still not fully radicalized alt lite, with ducks, etc because on your own you will not win against the left.

The left in identity politics use some their tactics on themselves.

And this is I think the most important part. If we are making free speech essentially the issue to maximize red pilling, no matter its effectiveness or to just fight against political correctness that prevents people from pointing out a problem or other issues like that I believe and think we need to recognize that we will be fighting on the same side.

And even further, actually admit it if you feel uncomfortable but reign in that uncomfortable and hurt feelings, and explain why you as a nigger will fight side by side with a racist white supremacists.

You have to not only use facts but also feelings and while one side appeals to emotions of look what we have to do to make you open your fucking eyes while the other says that yes we are fucking different and that maybe we should stick in our traditional roles and such.

>>136249932
Feminism is cancer fag
>i smell summer
WHEN DOES SCHOOL START AGAIN?

>>136251432
Cont.


Its fucking ugly, impure and guarantee that after we feel or think that we have won some of us will fight one another.

But that is for another day. Today we fight against censorship, against effectively instituting the very institutionalize racism or sexism that affirmative action is supposed to combat, and we fight for the rights of the individual even as we know that we subvert them by jointing a movement and fighting together with people that are very much not like us.


We must recognize that wee are a loose coalition and a loose coalition that will have to stay cohesive for probably a generation while balancing all the problems of our own internal conflicts to prevent from whatever gains we can make to be undone the next term.


It is a truth. Its ugly, unlikable and kind of fucked up, but so is delusion, hypocrisy and obscurantism.

With recognizing that in end effect there are no absolute god or bad guys that in and of itself is this extremism spawning the various nasty ism, that we need it to form a cohesive fighting force to push back against our enemies and that people who do get red pilled and switch sides do so with as much open eyes as they feel comfortable with.

Yes I know that they won't come to the correct conclusions, but just as they won't you are not absolutely correct either, because not one of us, actually no human on the world can posses a totality of information, and anyone who might in the far future would probably be a demagogic tyrant who even he just narrowly missed it.

We have to agree, accept and recognize that we do not have the full truth,that we disagree amongst ourselves but that every one of us is less wrong than the other side.

The zeitgeist will of course move and in the future things will again turn around. But we must admit to us and everyone else that we do benefit from people we hate and that we will allow for hate speech because not doing so is wrong.

>>136251596
At the end of the day after all, we are not just the sums of our virtue but also of our vices, and hatred is a part of us that will never leave so long as we are humans, and we have to accept that while some of us will be more circumspect about it we all do in some way hate what is happening in the world, yet at the same time commit ourselves to not let hate dominate our collective minds, not through group vs group or legislative but as our own individual choice.

Yes the west is doomed to fail, eventually, like all things, and who do we fight? Another country? Another species? No! We fight ourselves as a group like everyone fights with his own emotions to reach the optimal solution for themselves.

But we fight none the less so we can say "Not today! Today we are canceling the Apocalypse!"

>>136251432
YOUR A QUEER, YOU CAN HAVE NO OPINION ON ANY INTELLECTUAL SUBJECTS.

YOUR INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT

>>136251635
>>136251596
>>136251432

If there are any spelling errors or wrong words take it up with my mobile or my faulty tyliing or sometimes incomplete lack of english.

But I think I have done enough efforts, and am mentally to drained to go over this again, and despair since I know we will not be able to put our differences aside no matter how vile or deluded we think they are, although I hope that on that subject I am wrong.

>>136251660
We are all fagots here. And yes all my options are obscured and not stated but that is irrelevant. We need numbers and we need results more than we need the reasons for them, and then this whole process will start anew in the reverse. But first, I want us to win before we inevitably die by turning on one another, because while all thing must die, I want us to taste Victory no matter how foul for it will always taste better than defeat.

>>136249275
It exists in my household.

You're simply a weak minded coward who lacks a true vision of reality, hence the flag.

>>136250820
Not an argument, dog fucker.