Why are there so many religious people here?

>not being agnostic
even hitler didnt enforce Christianity

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The earth is flat. Space isnt real. Nukes dont exist. Whites alright.

I used to respect him until I saw Peterson totally destroy him 1v1. He was reduced to a SJW tier cry baby. Also, on reflection, clowns like him and Dawkins paved the way for Islam.

Sure, they closed the gate, once the horse had bolted. Is Dawkins a Jew too?

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>>136236348

Because being religious is the new counter culture

>>136236348
Same here. People on /pol/ like to pretend they are red-pilled and accept the hard truth. Yet they still believe they will go to an eternity of happiness after they die with some sky-daddy who hates faggots.

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>>136236444
first time in a long time a leaf speaks truth

Because we know in our hearts that a nation whose people sit for a short time on a Sunday to contemplate what it means to live a Good Life will be a better one than it otherwise would be.

>>136236528
>I used to respect him until I saw Peterson totally destroy him 1v1.
We must have been listening to a different podcast. I did not realize you guys fell for the Jordan Peterson meme also. He is a wannabe cult leader--just because he was really good about standing up to SJWs doesn't mean he is a fucking messiah. Retards are giving him literally 50k does a MONTH to ramble about inane philosophical topics. I do not understand it at all.

>>136236348
Because atheism is fine for educated, intelligent people. However, unfortunately, the majority of humans are closer to animals than thoughtful, informed people. The Jerry Springer/Jeremy Kyle-cattle need religion. There is a cancerous inundation of immorality, which is leading the fast approaching collapse of the West. I don't believe in God, but I wish the Church still had relevancy. There is simply zero social pressure for decency anymore, in 90% of the population.

>>136236348
I think they are just very loud. Not as many of them here as it appears.

But kinda ironic for the most "redpilled" people to be so bluepilled on that topic.
Brainwashed since birth.
Got my nephew in my house with us for 2 weeks now, just sad to see what his parents turned him into.
Also going to my new job, passing by churches. Always seeing people do the hand-cross thing (whatever you call it in english) because of church. Very cult-like.

>>136236348
There are a lot of religious people basically everywhere.
Why should here be any different?

>>136236951
Plus, nuatheists are islam's best friends.

>>136237085
Because this place isn't filled with people with popular opinions and views?

>>136236805
I listened to the second one. You'd think a socialist like him would be all for the "noble lie" of religion. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, as long as it works. You trotskyites only pave the way for the Stalin's, who traditionally murder and supplant the starry eyed Utopians.

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Because Atheist are immoral fags.

>>136236566
/thread

All of 4chan is contrarians jerking off each other. When there's too much religion in the world, they'll be atheistic again.

>>136236348
Religion has its purposes, keeps the mind clean. Of course you shouldn't go crazy with it but it helps some. The thing that is making it survive is how disgustingly annoying, embarrassing and stupid the edgy atheists turn out to be.

>>136236951
It's possible to have social institutions that encourage "decency" that are not based on bullshit. Most people are okay with doing things just because other people do them. The kind of people who would question social institutions are the people who would be least pressured by religion.

>>136237227
Atheists get their morality through rational thought. Which is exactly how it should be done.

>>136237314
Everything is possible. It didn't happen.

>>136236348

literally just because it's edgy to be religious in 2017, none of them are actually religious and go to church

if trump got impeached and mike pence became president and started making it illegal to say you hate christmas or whatever it'd be the new edgy again to be atheist and everyone here would whip their fadoras back out like how 4chan was fadora as fuck during the bush years

>>136237085
The kind of people who hang out on anime message boards all day tend not to be religious.

You atheists claim you don't believe in God, but you sure spend a lot of your time on Him.

In all truth, you worship Science. You have your own high priests (just check OP's image or read the comments section on any New Atheist video) and saints. You go after anyone who dares express a heretical view with all the fervor of a fanatic. You don't even anger me, I just find you all very fascinating.

>>136237417
>nobody is seriously religious here
Which is why there are christian generals, filled with people posting qoutes from the bible, discussing how to understand the bible and much more bullshit that makes me want to fucking vomit.

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>>136236348

>>136236348
well said. *tips fedora*

>>136237159
>Because this place isn't filled with people with popular opinions and views
Sure it is.

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>>136236348

One of the many amazing prophecies of Jesus Christ from the Old Testament is that of verse 1 from Psalm 22:

>"O God my God, look upon me: why hast thou forsaken me?"

Many people have said, "Jesus said God has forsaken him on the cross, how could he be the Messiah?"
Jesus was invoking Psalm 22 on the cross. The Psalm was wrote around 1,000 years before Christ was born.

This is significant because a few verses later in the same Psalm it says this:

>"They have pierced my hands and feet."

Some renderings have it;

>"they have torn holes in my hands and my feet"

Strange. It would appear that Jesus Christ invoked a Psalm wrote 1,000 years before He was born that seemed to tell of His very unique death, crucifixion; which did not even exist at the time Psalm 22 was wrote.

Psalm 22 goes on to say:

>"They parted my garments amongst them; and upon my vesture they cast lots."

This is another strange coincidence. It is known that the Roman soldiers gambled, or "cast lots" on Christ's garments as He was being crucified. If Christ was utterly out of His depths and defeated; why does this Psalm--that was invoked as He was in unimaginable pain--foretell of exact circumstances of the very death He was experiencing? Circumstances that no one could have known?

Not only this, Psalm 22 ends by foretelling the great rise of Christendom, which was achieved based on the very death that Christ Himself was experiencing, that the Psalm undeniably addresses:

>"All the ends of the earth shall remember, and shall be converted to the Lord: And all the kindreds of the Gentiles shall adore in his sight."

Remember, at the time of Christ, only one tribe was expecting a Messiah. This Psalm called forth by Christ on the cross predicts His death to an exactitude, and it just happens to predict the unprecedented worldwide conversion based on this death.

How do atheists explain this away?

>>136237478
>You atheists claim you don't believe in God, but you sure spend a lot of your time on Him.
I'm simply amazed by the fact that people in the year of 2017 can still be this deluded and ignorant, so of course I want to talk about it.
>In all truth, you worship Science.
Science is a process that works. I don't know what you mean by "worship".
>You have your own high priests
There is a difference between some retarded dude in a dress pretending he knows everything because muh bible and a well educated man who dedicates his life to progress(science)

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>>136236805
>wanna be cult leader

You're thinking of Stefan Molyneux, friend.

>Retards are giving him literally 50k does a MONTH to ramble about inane philosophical topics. I do not understand it at all.

>I do not understand it at all.

That's precisely the point you nimrod. You don't understand jackshit of what Peterson says because you don't understand the concepts he speaks about and the biological evolutionary science he ties it all together. You have absolutely no understand of Human psychology, philosophy, Nietzche, Jung, Kierkagaard, Machiavelli, Derrida nothing for christs sake and you're acting surprised as to why others like and support him, well my man, maybe take a step outside yourself and ponder the possibility maybe YOU'RE the actual retard here whose got his head so far his ass he can't understand shit.

Sidenote, i'd rather give jordan peterson 5 dollars a month or see him get 50k in a month collectively from supporters than see the Kardashians, genderqueer leftists communist youtubers get a cent out of anyone else. Eat shit and die you idiot.

>>136237306
It does the opposite, religion offers ultimate absolution for any depravity committed by the believer.

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>>136237551
>>136237597

>>136237478
But it's not just God I'm concerned about, it's every god or gods. Do I believe in them also? I'm concerned about people being irrational.

I don't "worship" science or any thinker. Being that science is the best tool for understanding the physical world and it has utterly destroyed any reason to take religion seriously, or admiring an actual person, is not analogous to believing in a flying spaghetti monster.

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I was hiking in the woods the other day and took this. This is just a big nothingburger

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>>136236805

Are you serious? I'm not even that big a Peterson fan but he destroyed that fucking Jew Harris.

Anyway, /pol/ has always been a Christian board. The fedora meme was invented here which pretty much killed the modern atheist movement. /Pol/ has done more for modern Christianity than the fucking Pope.

>>136237762
*tips fedora*

>>136236348
Divide and conquer shill thread. F off shareblue. You will not succeed in your mission. Saged

>>136237721

>Science is a process that works.

Only atheists think in terms of science vs religion. Think of it this way, science is the measure and study of the physical using observation and experimentation. By it's very nature it cannot presume to offer any substantial view on the metaphysical. You cannot materially quantify the immaterial. It's like looking through a microscope and trying to find an atom of justice or a molecule of mercy.

I hope you see why you're being fallacious.

>>136237698
Someone 2000 years ago wanted to create a religious movement, took an even older religious text filled with prophesies, and wrote a new book with a Messiah that just happens to fulfill those prophesies. Who would have thought it possible.

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>>136236348
>t. messy room

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>>136236348
It isn't just about the faith in a creator, in fact I would wager many lack it.

However it is obvious that religion in terms of providing a foundation for western culture.

The globalist pursuit of Christianity and the destruction of most aspects it promotes such as homogeneity through tribalism, marriage, morals, reflection of the self etc, have greatly undermined and subverted our cultures.

The destruction of religion is just one piece, however it is essential for them to destroy it in order to instill currency and technology as the peoples god.

>>136236444

>Nukes don't exist
I used to think this was a meme, but the more I think about it, the more real it seems to be.

>>136237915
spoken like a true retard. I guess it was all just one giant conspiracy that tons of people happened to be in on and people who risked themselves being killed because it was all just a lie?

>>136236348
>Why are there so many religious people here?

Because that's what happens when you don't actively censor religious people like reddit, the media and every other piece of shit service does. What? You get out of your kike-enforced anti-religious bubble and suddenly wonder why upright people who want order and morality tend to believe in God? Get back to fucking reddit, bitch.

Atheists have moved on to larping as pagans here now.

>>136237915

The historical evidence for the resurrection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iDNLxmWVM


Proof for the resurrection of Jesus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tyVdnIU9A
The first 30 minutes is what's important from this one, the rest is questions and answers.


Ex-atheist scientist tells his story of becoming Christian after realizing that the story of creation in Genesis actually makes the most sense and gets a lot of things right compared to other religious books:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsbj7EN1Uzs


Cold case detective, former atheist analyzed the gospels using his skills and came to the conclusion that Christianity is the true religion and what is written in the New Testament is real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQmodO2quW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiYQzOypD9o
The videos are long, but they basically come down to this:
1. The chain of custody is sound, the story doesn't change over time.
2. There was stuff in the Bible that was later confirmed by archeology(places, people, etc.)
3. There are even non-believers' accounts of some stuff Jesus did, just from them you can know a lot about Jesus if you piece it all together.
4. The differences between gospels aren't a bad sign, because witnesses rarely agree on stuff. If every eyewitness would say the same thing, it would be very fishy and would mean they probably talked to each other at one point.
5. The apostles died without getting rich, getting a girlfriend or getting power, they all died horribly. There was no point in spreading Christianity if they didn't believe in it. Why would they risk their life if it wasn't true? Why would they risk their life if it was all forged? Why would Paul try to join this new small church?
Also the only accounts of Romans getting Christians to change their faith was after the 1st century. No account of eyewitnesses ever changing their story.

>>136237915

Got some proof for that claim kiddo?

Remember that miracles are still occuring in Christ's name to this day. The miracle of the sun and the Fatima revelations happened in the last hundred years.

>>136236348
Watch Jordan petersons lectures on the Bible next time you have 40+ hours to spare

>>136236348 (OP)
stop taking the bible as if it is a scientific book.

>>136238103
Stare at the sun for a few minutes today, and you'll experience your own miracle.

I don't know whether or not there is a supreme being who created the universe.

But I do know with 100% certainty that it isn't the Abrahamic desert god Yahweh.
And anyone who believes in this farce cannot call themselves redpilled. This is not up for debate.

Because Trump is appeasing to the religious people so the sheep here have to follow

>>136238019
>kike-enforced anti-religious
this shit was tiresome decades ago.
all it does now is signal that you're a resentful, arrogant, ignorant cunt of a man who can't argue but has his tinfoil jew bullshit as an escape hatch out of every corner reasonable discussion paints you into.
>jews are essentially inferior
>jews run the world
you fucken boring shit

>>136237868
Trying to make religion separate from science is a recent occurrence and a last-ditch effort to validate religion. The fact of the matter is, religion came about as a way to EXPLAIN the world around us. "Why is water coming out of the sky?" Because the Sun God made it so." Of course, now we know that about the water cycle, and the other explanation makes no sense. It is no different from any other religious idea. They tell people why things are here and why they do the things they do, and then claim people should have a certain morality as a result. It's nonsense, dude.

I am not against genuine spirituality or the idea that there is something beyond the physical world--I am personally interested in Buddhism--but religion by and large makes claims that contradict the knowledge we've gained scientifically.

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>>136236348
Humans are by nature religious it's the natural software for our brains. Individuals can be unaffiliated but masses always run on some cult-like program which gives meaning to their endevours and some grounding for moral values. "Rationalist societies" are a meme. After christianity collapsed Europe got communism/fascism etc. which were nothing but political cults.
Sweden is almost completely atheist but is a north-korea tier cult of progressive egalitarianism at the same time.

I am an atheist btw.

There are no actual Christians on /pol/. None of us pray every night or read the bible. People here claim to identify as Christian solely as a reaction against the secularization of the left, yet nobody actuality goes to fucking church every Sunday. If Christianity all of a sudden became popular among leftists, there would be a lot more atheists on /pol/

>>136238344
You're at the foothills of mountains that Nietzsche climbed but died before presenting any solutions for.
Basically, without god we live in a howling void we can't deal with, Supermen need and invent Supergods, as our archetypes allow us to make sense of the ocean of chaos that life is.

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>>136236570
>Yet they still believe they will go to an eternity of happiness after they die with some sky-daddy who hates faggots.
what's wrong, false or irrational with that?

>>136238344
>religion by and large makes claims that contradict the knowledge we've gained scientifically.
this is true however have you ever thought that perhaps the people in charge of science want it to be that way? that perhaps they conveniently put any evidence or claims that contradict the bible as the new 'truth' and the people who find evidence that coincide with the bible get mocked or swept under the rug?

one example I'll give, I grew up believing in evolution. all through out my life I thought that was the truth and it made sense. only when I looked into the arguments for creationism (and also after a long road of other beliefs coming into light as I got older, I'm in my late 20's btw), did I eventually start to actually believe in creationism, as crazy as that sounds at first.

life is much more complicated than ((they)) want you to view it.

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>>136236348

>Not realizing the entirety of the book wasn't written to be taken literally.

ALLEGORY. METAPHORS. PARABLES. Study the esoteric teachings

>>136238344
The bible is a metastory.

It was never intended to be scientifically true. Science didnt exist at the time of the authorting of the bible.

It is morally true. Its purpose was to navigate people as the best and most civilized way to live for the time being and knowledge at hand.

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>>136237796
>The fedora meme was invented here which pretty much killed the modern atheist movement. /Pol/ has done more for modern Christianity than the fucking Pope.
i'll drink virgin blood to that

>>136238457

This. I think there needs to be a new distinction made between people who actually believe, and people who merely see Christianity as but one cornerstone of the wider worshiped ideal of Western Civilization and believe in its power as a very basic moral guidestone for society.

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>>136238666
nice get saturn
here you go faggots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKS2e3-z2js

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We have tried the alternative for 27 years. The result wasn't good.

Atheism leads to disaster.

>>136238666

I don't appreciate your rude gif pal

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>>136238805
How about a standard pic instead?

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>>136236951

>>136237796
The sad thing is you actually believe this.

>>136238236

>I do know it's not the force that changed history more than anything else

This ought to be good.

How?

>>136238344

>Atheists don't understand metaphor

No wonder it's so heavily linked to autism.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psyched/201205/does-autism-lead-atheism%3Famp&ved=0ahUKEwiFgJCv_L_VAhVEvRQKHbHqB4MQFggmMAE&usg=AFQjCNEV_a945cVwAFCQMo6VRR283jpc8w&ampcf=1

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>>136237159
because fedoratheists believe they are superior for (dis)believing

>>136238900

What's even sadder is you don't...

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What's with all the recent "hurr why POL is religious?" threads in the past 2 hours?
Did someone link us to Reddit or kikebook or something?

>>136238541
I would love for you to lead me to some of these "arguments" for creationism. The only ones I have ever seen are retarded.

>>136237223
he's a jew
wtf dont you understand
translate everything he says through the prism of jewish tribalism and it makes total sense
no religion FOR YOU GOYIM

>>136236348
>clearly it is bullshit

No more than any other historical accounts. I think you should look into the New Testament and its historicity. Even taken as written later like a lot of the fedora tippers do, you've still got a few largely consistent accounts of Jesus from people who went to their deaths saying what they saw was real.

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>>136236348
>2016+1
>still think religion is a "world is scary, let's make shit up so it's okay" meme
>still believe you're rational
You think you have finished the race when in reality you haven't even started yet.

>protip: it's edgy af moral relativists like you that enable the social constructionist psychopaths
You read Nietzsche and think he agrees with you that skydaddy was unnecessary, and your power level is thus revealed by your interpretation of the texts you read.

Go to sleep goyim. Christianity is the problem.

>>136237355
Define rational. Rejecting historical evidence about Jesus--does that count? And what morals? Whatever the loudest one decides are right? How do you know they're right? What if an atheist decides its rational to cut their dick off, and moral too? What's to make their moral less true than anyone else's? Unnatural? Says who? Morals are objective or they don't exist. If they are objective, they stem from a lawmaker above humanity. And aliens, if you think they made us. Follow causality and find God.

>>136237698
So if I found some stooge to recreate this ancient fairytale bullshit as it was written, it would be """unexplainable""" to you?

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>>136239152
I could go to my grave telling everyone, everyday, that that you aren't a faggot, that doesn't mean it was true.

>>136236348
Because we're at war faggot, and /pol/ is our foxhole.

>>136238046

This is a good post. Makes me happy to find someone who knows something about history and doesn't just spout "I'm rational but religion isn't my morals are real, you know, just because" or "Jesus wasn't real sky fairy cares about your fapping just a sun God etc."

>>136238588
Which parts aren't true? There are books of allegory (genesis), laws (Leviticus), and history (Romans)

>>136238867
more?

>>136239434

If you managed to fine God incarnate and have him perform miracles upto and including raising himself from the dead I'd probably not dismiss it out of hand, no.

>>136239749
Not from me unfortunately. I'm sure more exists somewhere though.

If you did, maybe someone would think it was true, but you won't, because you're an edge lord who takes the popular opinion of our society over evidence.

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>>136236348

There are not so many religious people. We just realised that religion is essential for the survival of a society and not falling into degeneracy.

Christianity was a main factor in the superiority of whites. We turned atheist, and our morals and our strenght degenerated.

Jesus, Zeus, Jupiter, Apollo, Odin... I don't care.

The postmodernists killed god. And we need to bring him back.

>>136239766
People have been pronounced dead and even began to be autopsied before reviving, shouldn't put too much trust on that one.

>>136239188
>skydaddy meme
>religion was invented to help us be less scared meme

Idk man, I believe in God and it's scary as fuck. I don't live by what I think He wants because I want to get into heaven, but because I want to do His well. It'd be a lot easier and a lot less scary to ignore the evidence for God, do whatever the fuck I want, and live thinking that don't have to answer to anyone but myself. Millennials made this concept trendy. Sometimes I wish God wasn't real--it isn't easy to be Christian. Jesus laid that out pretty early and it's still true--follow him and expect ridicule.

>>136236805
It's because there's many people out there who rightfully got on the science and rationality train and adopted that skeptical position and have an excellent set of tools for looking at objective reality. And in some sense that's counter to modern religion and ultimately will be at odds with it, and that's fine and it seems like people like Harris and Dawkins spearheaded this, or are at least central figures.

But many of those people who went that route, such as myself, are left asking the questions about morality and how to live, and those are questions outside of the reach of science, by design.

So people are thirsty for smart figureheads who can pass on knowledge to them which helps them tackle these ideas that science cannot, and Peterson, while certainly not perfect, is probably the single best candidate for this.

People went to him for the controvosy that was his anti-SJW stance, but the stayed for the vast amount of education he offers for free, most of which has so far gone completely unchallenged by other intellectuals.

I'm an agnostic atheist and his Biblical series on youtube is fascinating. I'm no less atheist now than I was, but I have a new found respect for the useful morality tales in the bible and what implications they have.

>>136240116
Apples and oranges, but you know there's a difference between someone coming back or waking up and someone being nailed to a cross in front of tons of people, buried, have their body guarded by soldiers to make sure no one stole it, and then rising

>>136240183
>Millennials made this concept trendy
The postmodernists did, millennials just took it all in.

>>136237417
>none of them are actually religious and go to church

you don't have to go to church to be religious or give 10% of your money to the church. That stuff is bullshit and was not taught by Jesus.

>>136240372
Boomers especially. My parents and many others brainwashed kids to think there is no God. Now they're taking it further there are no genders

Atheist sure do love talking about (god/religion/Christianity) they don't believe in.

>>136237314
God and eternal justice give the self interested a rational reason to be decent.

Has society become more or less decent in the past 50 years?

>>136236437
>hitler didnt enforce Christianity
source? I would love to argue this when atheist fags bring up Hitler being a Christian

>>136236348
/pol/ is a Christian board.

>>136242517
Hitler had some secret letters about hating Christians but that it was a useful ideology - hilarious, the liberals love to claim he was some sort of evangelical Bible-thumper.

>>136239384
dumb burger alert

> ejecting historical evidence about Jesus--does that count?

A man named Jesus once lived and some luney based book off of him either from his imagination or from Jesus' imagination preaching.

> And what morals? Whatever the loudest one decides are right?

Treat others the way you want to be treated.

> What if an atheist decides its rational to cut their dick off, and moral too?

What if a christian decides its rational to kill gay people and molest little boys-- oh wait

>>136237698

This is indeed amazing , as a agnostic this was first one of the many bible verse what did not make sense ... Why would jesus say "god why have you forsaken me" , after a lot of studying the bible this has become my most amazing verse

You ask why there are so many religious people here. I ask you why atheists feel the need to attack people of faith all the time.

I also ask you to consider that religion and science exist to answer two very, very different questions.

Science is here to tell us how something happens on a mechanical level.

Religion is here to tell us why we exist at all - not from a mechanical standpoint, but a philosophical one. It's here to give some guidance on how to live a better life.

A very good book on this issue is "The Universe in a Single Atom," written by the Dalai Lama. You should give it a read.

Personally, I find atheists to be fucking annoying because they're constantly starting threads like this one. Let people do their thing. Why be such a dick about it?

>>136242655
Nope. It's just your stupid country that is still christian for some reason.

>>136240243
Do you have a link to his biblical series?

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>>136236348
athiesm is responsible for aids and communism.

>>136236348
A non retarded burger? Now I've seen it all

>>136240289
And you believe it because authority figures said so.

What a rebel! What a free thinker!

>>136243246
>Let people do their thing. Why be such a dick about it?

Says the guy who is against gay marriage.

You can't make this up...

I'm not religious but I realise the necessity for a uniting narrative for a healthy society.

It's an abstract sort of feel.

>>136246894
I should add, I realise non-religious narratives exist but they are very open to generacy. If you look at contemporary right wing populists they tend to just be liberals who hate open borders and immigrants but don't care about ruining the youth with consumerism and degeneracy, for example.

I think we need to find some way to salvage the values of traditional society, not just the nation as an entity. And that's hard to do without religion.

>>136242674
Religion is used by intelligent, and on the masses.

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>>136242517
If you really want to trigger them you should tell them how he felt fond of Islam.

>>136236348
Do you see how all the Jews are divided and how all of the Muslims aren't winning? Me neither. What a dopey fat fuck.

>>136236348
https://www.youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy

https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg

https://www.youtube.com/user/DrOakley1689

Good channels, hopefully they help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97k4z6Qe7JM&t=18s

A true Gospel presentation. Hopefully those who haven't heard watch, and those who have can share this.


Also, if you assume from the start materialism and naturalism at a metaphysical level, of course it'll be ridiculous. The question is whether those assertions are valid.