Mental illness.

>>136231972
If you think we can be trusted to be peaceful and extend morality beyond our own immediate tribe then you are extremely naive and privileged. I envy when I could think like this.

>>136233279
I did not ask for that. I simply asked for more thought. An end to blindly believing in what you are told. To evolve more, become smarter. Maybe then we can get peace, but that's speculation.

>>136231972
Religions aren't there to teach you right from wrong save for the abrahamic ones and a few rare religions like the zoroastrian one. They are there to teach you things like reaching an afterlife or even providing a system of magic for the gods and spirits of the religion to help you when in need.

>>136234011
But why do they use such dirty tactics like, "If you leave you will be punished forever!" or my favorite, "Even a little questioning to what I tell you is bad!"?

That isn't help for the needy, that's a countermeasure to your rational thought. Parents use that all the time. Sure it might be comfortable now, but it leads to a lifetime of worry.

>>136234446
Because it is logical to think that if you abandon your god he or she won't receive you well in the afterlife, so they are capitalizing on this wether they religion is true or not.

>>136234600
Then it sucks to live in a life where you're creater won't accept little bit of thought on whether you had the wrong description. It sucks to live in a world where you have been created to be so vulnerable to enslavement by falsemail religion. It sucks to be in a world where you are smarter then your own creater.

One observation will tell you this is a rational world that follows rules, and religion openheartedly defies that. The sky is not blue.

>>136234896
false* not falsemail, autoerrection

Groups of humans formed beliefs based around how they interpreted their environment. As these groups grew and experienced new things so did their religions, eventually these beliefs began to incorporate the morals and values of those people. Through religion these morals and traditions were passed down the generations. These days however values are more and more being passed down through ideology rather than faith based beliefs.

>>136234896
But just because the religions you know are false doesn't mean jackshit.
I myself had an experience with God, and you know what, I had always been an atheist edgelord during my life.

Thing is, while God took care to make sure I didn't follow any religion and got an approximate idea (its some sort of paganism) God didn't give me any morals because humans have their own judgement.

Basically we would have people worshipping demons through religions or false gods and there's a God above them whom can rescue you.

I recall the visions I had through dreams and meditations, none of it was christian gnostic but rather pagan in it's appearance, so maybe all christians go to hell together with jews and muslims.

What happened to me is called henosis, google it.
The images I saw during dreams and meditations were of a dark forest (nighttime) there were friendly wolves and a naked woman whom represented me. I also saw images of a female inside geometrical shapes who had white buttons in her abdomen with whom I had sex. Last, but not least, during those days a crow woke me up from bed.

All of it very pagan, not christian by any measure.

>>136231972
>pliss don't be Christian /pol/ :(
t. socialist & a kike

>>136235014
So, what I'm getting here from your response is that we already are getting past these prisons?

I already knew that, the only thing is we are not doing it quick enough to save ourselves. To become smarter so we don't allow ourselves to be destroyed.

Humans are naturally evil

Right and wrong is a concept that has no clear distinction
Anything can be justified
Nobody views themselves as a villain
You can kill 21 million people, fuck up entire countries for millenniums and people will still say your ideology is correct

Peace will never exist
Humanity has never been smart

And through each genocide and each act of barbarianism the only one's who kept knowledge alive were the Monks who locked themselves up from the horrors of the world and waited until humanity was ready to learn again

This has happened many times throughout history and will continue to happen

So as much disdain as you have for religion the only reason we are where we are at the current time is thanks to it

>>136235281
Then you see it. Only YOU can decide for yourself what is true and what isnt. It doesn't make sense to not spread what you saw if you can save people, even if it means bad things, but you should never force people to believe your words, because it makes them vulnerable to false words.

We all have conflicting beliefs here but you need to get past thinking enslaveing people to your beliefs is ok. It only ends in further harm down the line. The good effects are very short term.

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>>136235281
>experience with God

Had a dream about him, and that's it? You are going to base your stance on life on a fucking dream? No wonder this thread is about mental illness. What's next, going to write the dreams down in a book and try to start a religious cult, just like all the others?

*tips fedora*

Religion is about initiation, order and tradition, the metaphysical aspect of the world, not about morals or whatever.
Not that I expect protestant mongrels to understand any of that.

>>136235940
>Had a dream
No, I experienced henosis and had several dreams and other experiences.

I like how you ignored that I went through henosis to discredit me because I also mentioned I had dreams.

>>136236026
The only thing worse than a protestant is a larper, you were roofied and buttfucked by a hobo, nice henosis Reimundo.

>>136235831
There is no good argument I can make to this.
We both simply have different experiences that give proof to polar opposite ideas. If time comes along and proves you right I will accept my defeat.

>>136235940
Henosis (Ancient Greek: ἕνωσις) is the classical Greek word for mystical "oneness", "union", or "unity." In Platonism, and especially Neoplatonism, the goal of henosis is union with what is fundamental in reality: the One (Τὸ Ἕν), the Source, or Monad.

>What happened to me is called henosis

I experimented union with God, then I had the dreams, I'm not calling dreams union with God.

>>136236175
No, I wasn't roofied.

>>136236241
Is “God” the name of your local Ron Jeremy ?

>>136236290
Nothing more butthurt than a christian when somebody finds god and it is proven to this person than christianity is a lie.
Gratz on worshipping a jewish demon that places the jews in comfy positions while cucking your country.

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>>136236226
>proves you right

How many times has the cycle already passed
Start learning your history rather then what you
"Feel"
Or
"Experience"
Dumb fuck

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>>136231972
First you gotta understand the average human is no different than a robot. It has no soul. To procure one it needs to "live" it needs adversity or a near death experience. To them everything is what they see from their eyes. They don't care about others and why should they?
They don't seek any "higher meaning" and why should they?
They don't want to die even though deep down inside they are blinding and think that life is pointless, why should they?

You can't just tell someone "question everything" or "there is more outside the matrix" that's not how it works and it's no different than telling a literal wall of bricks to move out of your way. The idea is to inspire them by imbuing your words and action with fragments of your soul so it enters their body and revitalizes their mind e.g Speeches, normal or religious gatherings and so forth.
Every action is a reaction. If you push you will be pushed back sometimes even pushed back more than the force you initially applied. This can be remedied by understanding why you push or how to push that so you achieve a chain reaction that will allow you to not be pushed back no matter what you do. Even if it's about "redpilling" people.

>>136236359
And you shame people who don't believe what you believe. In one ear and out the other. Shame is a way of hushing people you don't like.

Every once in a while, when you have the time, reflect on what you do and who you are.

>>136236483
But "history" is written by the victors. Written from only a few perspectives. Written from translations. Written from HUMAN memory. Written imperfectly.

>>136236638
I know for a fact that jews, christians and muslims worship a demon.
The great and ancient dragon whom they shun is no other than God.

I appreciate hearing your honest opinions on subjects like this. Those of you who dared to step up to the plate and potentially, just maybe, learn that you didn't see everything fully, OR that you were right, and you just spent the effort to help someone see differently.

You are smarter and kinder than you first see.

>>136237170
I have a question for you, have you read the bible?

>>136231972
Hinduism is not about right or wrong you are a pleb

>>136236999
How many other things were you so sure of, collapsed before you found this truth?

Always quadruple check your thoughts, a lot of them take only 1 bit of doubt to crumble.

(I am not rejecting your thought, but I am not accepting it either. I am neutral to it.)

>>136237489
Just answer this and I'll show you my reasoning.>>136237398

>>136237398
I used to go to church every Sunday for years. I read it twice, and I have better memory than most people when it comes to literature.

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>>136231972
Our Tenets

1) observing evidence for a hypothesis makes that hypothesis more likely in proportion to how well the hypothesis would predict the event.

2) In making one hypothesis more likely, conservation of probably makes other hypothesis less likely (e.g. the probability of all events still has to add up to 100%)

3) a hypothesis can never be completely confirmed or completely denied. E.g. probabilities for a hypothesis never go to 100% or 0% but they can asymptomaticly approach that

4) the way you determine the goodness of a hypothesis or a theory is to make advance predictions based on that theory. If the observed evidence supports the theory AFTER the predictions are made, the hypothesis becomes more likely

5) Observing evidence and tayloring a theory/hypothesis to the evidence is not a good idea. You can always come up with somthing that fits the facts after they have happened and promoting a single theory like that ends up distorting your hypothesis space. You can use evidence to get an idea for a hypothesis, but the metrits of the hypothesis are proven by it's ability to predict FUTURE events or events of which you had no knowledge when formulating the hypothesis

>>136237574
Ok, so let's focus in the biblical account of apocalypse and genesis.
Is it true that YHWH is angry at a snake because this snake gave humans the fruit that gave factual knowledge between good and evil and that YHWH has declared this snake a great Dragon whom is his enemy in the account of the apocalypse? Biblically I mean.

I guess the theory that YHWH wanted blind obedience as opposed to genuine knowledge of right from wrong isn't too far fetched, and the true God would be the great Dragon, represented by the serpent.

My eyes turned reptile like during my experience, so I don't think this out of randomness.

>>136237459
Everyone defends their thoughts, especially ones so deep. If Hinduism isn't made that way, people will eventually make it that way. In a feat of misunderstanding.

With objective standards for morality, who will decide whats right or wrong. People? If so then how can you say what stalin did was wrong. Afterall according to him it was necessary.

>>136237911
Without*

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>>136236026
So you tried to meditate and ended up falling asleep and possibly experienced a lucid dream, and then you just call it henosis because you can't accept that you fell asleep during meditation because meditation doesn't actually connect you with god. So again, this thread is about your mental illness, because people who are normal practitioners of meditation do not use it to contact god, they use it to relax or focus their mind to think more openly/clearly.

>>136237758
If this really did happen then that reasoning would be alright to me and I wouldnt want less, but that's not where I'm trying to argue here. It's "Are my inferments made from my experiences that I've had, are they correct?" This is what we sometimes need to ask ourselves. I'm not argueing against your thoughts, I'm arguing against your logic & approach.

If you can't find a flaw, then

>>136238303
>ended up falling asleep
No, I didn't.

>>136237808
You are retarded, it's a 10k year old religion

>>136238303
>you just call it henosis
I call henosis to the fact that I was in my backyard and god literally fused with me I felt divinity flowing within me and entering me and becoming one with me.

After this I had dreams and visions and my eyes turned reptile like for some time.

Just because you want to meme the devil into godhood via christianity is not gonna make him a god as he isn't.

>>136238361
Ignore the last part at the bottom, I was touching up my words into something comprehedable, I'm having thoughts that are hard to get into words.

>>136238484
And people aren't as mature as 10000 years would give. People don't always follow what is originally told , people will twist things if it's fits their ideals.

Ironically religions like Christianity are partly at fault, Christians cherry-picked things that cucked them out to the feefees and always helping people. Tolerance KILLS societies.
Christians should be crusading not living idly in modern success and the similiar pattern Western Society follows.
>>136238303
Best StarWars.

>>136238629
How will you twist Hinduism is beyond me, what do you know about the religion that you say so do you even know what the religion is about?

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>>136238496
>After this I had dreams and visions and my eyes turned reptile like for some time.

I love a good larp, you had me going to for awhile there, I thought you were actually mentally ill, good show.

>>136238674
How are you so sure this crusaded world would stand? And even if it did, would you want to live in a place with thought police?

>>136238696
>larp
Sure m8

>>136238696
More .gifs of best StarWars please.
>>136238834
I was being silly.
Simply saying feefees are retarded.
We don't need thought police, truth and reality always win. Violence that opposes the sentiments from truth merely slow it and should be stopped though.

>>136238689
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
http://www.patheos.com/Library/Hinduism
http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/history

One that has no origin point is systematically twisted. Their is no real referral point, so someone will have to find an answer for an unanswered question, and the answer they will choose will reflect them. Keep this going, tought by generation to generation, and all of a sudden you have something completely different from what it may have started as. You can loose the answers to burned books, crusades and a million other things, which will again force the need to possibly teach what might not have came first.

>>136239552
All religions are vulnerable to this, but Hinduism especially.

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>>136231972
Your secularism is trash, it only promotes obscenity, an immoral society, open borders and gender bastardization.

>>136239552
You do realize we have a 10,000 year oral tradition million orb people in the country know the text by heart and they of course understand sanskrit, now about your unanswered question remark we don't refer to the books to lead our day to day life or consult it for right or wrong you are born with your dharma

>>136239882

>Christlarpers promoting muh borders when their prophet was a commie "one nation one god" globalist

kek

>>136231972
Because humans are actually not good enough without Religion. This is a fact. If you think you can be perfectly good without God in your life, you are deluding yourself.

>>136239992
If the whole world was Christian we could pull it off. Globalists on the other hand want to eradicate Christianity and move in all the third world shitstains with the normal population.

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>>136231972
>Question. Everything.

Ok google where did the initial singularity before Big Bang come from?

Until you can answer that, I think I'll stick with the 'omnipotent being unbound by physical laws' aka God explanation.