Nazism is a failed ideology

>>136229774
Western German capitalism with "roads" saved western Germany as left wing Marxist east Germany stagnating in everything besides espionage and science.

I think I'll just sage, thank you.

>>136229919
>Hurr durr anything leftist = communism

Germany was a leftist country by today's standards. western lefty ideologies still believe in capitalism, just not in a pure, dumb anarcho capitalism

>>136230102
>western lefty ideologies still believe in capitalism
Capitalism means competition means NOT communal working together and sharing of things and other touchy lefty stuff.

You don't know what you're talking about, the best I'll accept is some sort of moderate left wing state slightly below the half way point of libertarian/authoritarian access. They were still fucking free market-esque.

And yes, Marxism is always left wing. Creating wide scale social engineering techniques is something very advanced left wing states do, because it's easier to get the people to control themselves than control others.

>>136229774
the world ended in 45

>>136230271
Social Democracy is a regulated capitalist economy.

Things aren't black and white you idiot.

>>136230415
almost all smaller businesses have no freedom
super corporation are intertwined with the government
social democracy is communism lite

>>136230717
Corporations having influence over the government is not a part of social democracy, it's just a result of weak anti-corruption legislation.

And also, Social Democracy actually helps small businesses thrive because it prevents large corporations from completely annihilating them.

>>136229774
North Korea is doing pretty good
I wouldn't call the ideology failed

>>136230877
just because it isnt a part of the intended idea doesnt mean it isnt part of it
it happened because the system allowed it to happen
corperations only have power through government

>Social Democracy actually helps small businesses thrive because it prevents large corporations from completely annihilating them.
yeah all those taxes, regulations, penalties and restrictions really help business grow
your literally killing off competition and saying it helps the small guys
are you aware of how fucking stupid you sound

ah yes just make a giant omnipotent business state this will help the people and small biz

>>136230415
Does it really fucking matter? Socialism, even in small doses, is still poison.

>>136231402
Then how come the economy in Nordic states is very stable and they rarely experience any economic crushes?

The nordic states are ULTRA socialist, way more socialist than the rest of euroep

>>136229774
The only wrong thing the Nazis done was losing the war

>>136231490
small population
white people

they are getting fucking crushed socially through progressiveness and immigrants
they are fucking destroying there budgets

>>136229774
>The right wing destroyed Germany and made millions of Germans die
Wrong allied invasion and impending Soviet invasion were the main factors
>Then the left took control over Germany after world war 2 and it became a world superpower again.
No that was America and the Soviets, Germany only regained some power once Europe was fucked, and even then is a vassal of the UN and Nato
>The left literally saved Germany
No it put half of Europe under a iron curtain of which the borders can literally be seen from space and economic powers due to how shit communism is.

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>>136231490
>le scandinavia is socialist meme
Go to bed, bernout.

>>136231490
Nordic states are not socialist They have some welfare and that's about it. No means of productions are seized.

Sweden is going to collapse and has rape levels higher then most of Africa and Norway has oil

>>136231609
I don't know how he measured "economic freedom" in this chart.

But if this chart puts the nordic states, which have significant regulations on corporations and universal healthcare, at the same category as the US, then they aren't talking about the same type of "economic freedom" we are talking about

>>136231569
Then you are willing to admit social democracy as an economic system can work?

>>136231690
Social Democracy IS NOT seizing means of production you stupid mongoloid.

It merely means market regulations and more services provided by the state (such as health insurance being a state service)

>>136231746
It still isn't "socialist". It's more socialist than the U.S., but it isn't socialism.

>>136231823
I meant "socialist" in the sense of "social democracy", not pure socialism.

>>136231746
Nordic states are not socialist.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/scandinavia-isnt-a-socialist-paradise/

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

http://generationliberty.ipa.org.au/scandinavia-really-socialist-paradise/

http://nypost.com/2015/10/19/sorry-bernie-scandinavia-is-no-socialist-paradise-after-all/

>>136231872
>Actually reading right-wing propaganda websites and taking them seriously

Every state in Scandinavia have universal healthcare.

Every state in Scandinavia presents a series of corporate regulations which are more strict than the US.

Without reading your bullshit right wing propaganda sites, im going to assume they are going to talk about the fact countries in Scandinavia have a low corporate tax rate, which is correct. but that alone doesn't mean they aren't a social democracy

>>136231871
Social Democracy definition
>a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means.

Nope no socialism in those countries, just a higher tax rate and some more government programs

Calm down Vietnam China will invade you one day and set you up a Vassal state as it was for the last few thousand years

>>136231871
>I meant "socialist" in the sense of "social democracy"
Call it what you want, pure socialism is always the end game.

Also I'd like to add that most of Sweden's wealth came before this shift to more socialist policies. In the early 20th century, Sweden was #1 in economic growth, and it has been dropping ever since then. Now it's in the teens.

>>136232041
That's not the definition of Social Democracy.
This is the proper definition:

"Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

So now that you got rekt, stop making up things out of your ass. thanks.

>>136232044
The endgame is not "pure socialism", the endgame is social democracy.

Things don't have to be 100% black or white.

>>136229774
The Nazis didn't want war...

>>136232236
Then why did they increase military spending like never before and made more and more factories for military weapons?

Why did they invade Poland and Czechoslovakia?

>>136232148
>measures for income redistribution

It either failed or their not a social democracy

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-socialist-scandinavia-has-some-of-the-highest-inequality-in-europe-2014-10

>The distribution of net wealth is highly skewed in Norway. While average net wealth for households is NOK 1.6 million, the median net wealth is NOK 900 000. Households in the highest 10 percent for net wealth own roughly 53 per cent of total net wealth, the richest 1 per cent control 21 per cent, while the top 0.1 per cent own 10 per cent of total net wealth.

https://www.ssb.no/en/inntekt-og-forbruk/artikler-og-publikasjoner/wealth-distribution-in-norway

>>136232148
>that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy
Nigger, it says right there^ that it's just regulated capitalism. It isn't socialism.

But does it really fucking matter? It doesn't work; at least not as well as deregulated capitalism.

>>136232201
Keep telling yourself that.

>>136232294
>Then why did they increase military spending like never before and made more and more factories for military weapons?
Because they rebuild their army practically from scratch and were interested in reclaiming land they rightfully owned.

You do know they had French minders in German coal mines and the French stole tones of railway equipment and goods cause they went bankrupt

>>136229774
Fuck you nigger

>>136229774
All that post-war propaganda assigning the blame to the Nazis really did the trick

I'm continually impressed by just how much people love lies and gross oversimplifications like the "good guy bad guy" thing. I mean seriously, it's straight out of fiction and fantasy and people eat it up anyway. Unquestioningly.

>>136232201
>>136232443
At least should I say: *not yet.

Because on the same article you posted, "Social democracy originated as a political ideology that advocated an evolutionary and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism using established political processes in contrast to the revolutionary approach to transition associated with orthodox Marxism."

So what about Social Democracy's endgame not being socialism?

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>>136232396
I agree with you that the wealth inequality in Scandinavia needs to be improved.

But the US has a similar wealth inequality, and the big difference is that in the US if you are poor you can actually die from not having healthcare, while in Scandinavia you are always covered and get more state benefits

>>136232649
Actually if your not retarded in America you will have health insurance which comes out cheaper and better then most Western countries, especially considering wait times. In Australia healthcare is free and a while back there wasn't enough beds for people. But if you had private health insurance you got way better and instant care

>>136232649
Go back to /leftypol/, gook. Private services, including healthcare, are always better and cheaper. Learn some economics, then come back.

>>136232752
I accidentally gave the wrong chart that looks just at general wealth per adult, not income inequality

1. After further analysis, the business insider article you provided did not give the entire picture of income inequality. just looking at the top 10% compared to the rest 90% doesn't give you the entire picture. what's about the top 1% compared to the rest? what's about the poverty rates?

2. looking at this list which compares the top 10% to the bottom 10%, not just top 10% compared to the rest, you get this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

When you compare the richest 10% to the poorest 10%, the United States is doing worse than Scandinavia.

The US ranks at rank167. Sweden is 150, Norway is at rank 118 and Finland is at the amazing rank of 53.

Income inequality is impressively not-so-bad in Finland for some reason

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>>136230342
this.

1945-1946 is when the world was lost, and forever set into an irredeemable dark age

>>136232294

>>136232294

Because they knew the fucking Jews wouldn't be able to resist another fucking war.

The Jews had Germany right where they wanted it before NSDAP came into power – weak and subservient. Then suddenly Hitler comes to power and tells the Jewish national banks to fuck off, so they see dollar signs in their eyes as they realize they get to profit from another massive world war (only 30 years later!) and remove the only world leader since Tsar Alex willing to stand up to the Rothschilds.

They only had a finite time to consolidate their strength to repel the (((Allied powers))).

>>136233499
Stopped reading after the first sentence.

No one sane can possibly blame the jews on world war 2

>>136233442
You are retarded. the world right now is definitely way better than it was before 1945

>>136233499
Not to mention the Soviets were preparing to invade the rest of Europe, every single second after Stalin's purges the USSR grew stronger. Germany had it's hand forced in-between the Soviets and the aggressive allies.

>>136231542
So is classical liberalism, monarchism, marxism, colonialism, anarchismS, imperialism, and fascism.
Soon, so will be neo-liberalism, neo-conservatism, and democratic socialism to add to that list.

All the past ideologies "failed" in some way or another. They aren't that thing now. So it's intellectually dishonest to say they didn't fail. But analyzing where they went right, and how they went wrong, is important.

And buddy I'll tell you this right Damnnow. . .
If you feel so damn completely confident, that your little Progressivism Prog bullshit, or your Scandinavian style democratic socialist utopias propped up by american corporatism, are not going to fall a hell of a lot faster and have a hell of a shorter run than things we see as utterly antiquated such as say, Monarchism? I say the odds are against ya, buddy. You can already see the seams tearing on that shit. You can see where it's going to rip open, one of these days.

What I think it prudent, is realizing that nothing is new under the sun, and that we look at the old systems, and instead of thinking because they failed they are utterly failures entire, see what parts where, happened to work when and where, and use that to base our answer for the PRIME QUESTION at hand:

We we're doing isn't working, so what should we do?

>>136229774
>The left literally saved Germany

by destroying them and raping their women

good job communists, who have done nothing but destroy lives since its invention

>>136233592
yes good goy. It was the evil Nahzis. Jews had nothing to do with being high ranking advisors to Churchill and FDR

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>>136233592
>the world right now is definitely way better than it was before 1945

no it's not. No matter how much you gnash your teeth, you will tell nothing but lies. you will never know truth or peace - feel free to eat yourself.

>>136233679
Fascism didn't fail it was put down. If you don't let the man run the race he never failed it

>>136233592

When we say the Jews, we don't mean Joe Schlomo down the street, we mean the top ranking advisors to the Allied powers.

If you don't know that, this thread is a complete waste of time because you simply can't argue with retards.

>>136233815
>I would rather live through TWO world wars than living in the modern age

You are retarded as fuck, holy shit

>>136233915
I will repeat myself:
If you legitimately blame the jews for starting world war 2, you are so retarded that talking with you is a waste of time

>>136229774
Uh, no. The Allies and especially the US forced Germany to seek economic domination over military domination. The US has always pushed for economic powers over powers of military might. The Left and Right of Germany isn't a two sided coin of blame. All of Germany was to blame for WW II.

>>136233974
And why is that

The Jews were in control of the Media, and were the top advisors for each of the allies and held considerable sway over the international banking and trading. How would you plan to get elected if none of the Media sponsored you.

>>136233644

Tbqhfamalam, I believe they were more focused on the USSR than Britain, France, and the US. After all, look what (((they))) did to Tsar Nicholas II.

>>136233974
i blame the poles
and the jews

>>136233974

if jews didn't invent communism and fuck everything up there wouldn't have ever been nazism or WW2

fucking bolshevik traitor scum do nothing but murder and pillage

>>136233974


And yet you offer no valid response other than "no you're wrong idiot".

Way to go faggot. Lurk moar.

>>136234085
>And why is that?
Because the jews objectively did not start world war 2, and if you are so dumb that you can't even realize obvious facts like this, it's a waste of time talking with you.

>>136234169
Saying that the jews started world war 2 is as retarded and ridiculous as saying: "A square is the same as a triangle."

I could go on detail and explain to you why squares are not triangles, but at the end of the day im wasting my time with retarded people

>>136234087
Hitler pleaded with Alliances with Briton many times. He didn't even want his African and few pacific colonies back if an alliance was made.

"The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to be shed, our two people belong together racially and traditionally. This has always been my aim even if our Generals can't grasp it." - Adolf Hitler

In fact that's what Patton wanted (An alliance with Germany to crush the Soviets) Patton even recognioised consiable Jewish influence in the American media and whatever you call your parliament again before his (((Accident))) which involved a car driving across lanes directly into his, the autopsy results being lost and no official investigation made

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>>136233921
>retarded
>you're retarded
>retarded as fuck
>so retarded

do you have an older sibling who is mentally disabled?

>>136233841
Uh huh, and this is exactly what I'm talking about. So why did it get put down? How? How did fascism get put down, and how could it of not?
Fascism would seem to be one of the most militarily strong ideologies imaginable, and yet it is more in history books than in the present.
So obviously, fascism fucked up in some way. Where did it fuck up?
Why are Franco, and Mussolini ect. ect. ect. not the great grandfathers of fascist leaders today? Why did fascist political movements in countries such as Romania or France fail?
If fascism as it existed in ~1920 or so did not succeed enough, and it didn't, what should be learned from that?

>>136235487
>So why did it get put down?
Because it threatened the international bankers and traders
>How did fascism get put down
Violently and with German tier anti-Nazi laws and outright banning of the denial of the holocaust
> and how could it of not?
Winning the war of which it certainly could of,or the allies stop being Jew controlled
>Fascism would seem to be one of the most militarily strong ideologies imaginable, and yet it is more in history books than in the present.
So obviously, fascism fucked up in some way. Where did it fuck up?
Threatening the status quo and international bankers who held considerable sway in the government and media and still do to this day.
>Why are Franco, and Mussolini ect. ect. ect. not the great grandfathers of fascist leaders today?
Invaded and anti-fascist laws put in place and anti-fascist media everywhere. I really can't think of much worse in the media then being a racist nazi
>Why did fascist political movements in countries such as Romania or France fail?
The war began and the Soviets invaded
>If fascism as it existed in ~1920 or so did not succeed enough, and it didn't, what should be learned from that?
But it did succeed, it did it so well the Allies and the Soviets crushed it, in which case fascist countries must be twice as strong

>>136234203
research about how the people live in germany 1934-1939
The best place in the world to live, no crime, economic freedom, no degenerancy, everyone is friendly, no corruption = NO JEWS

>>136229774
>Socialism is right wing
>Christians are left wing
What kind of nonsense are you talking about?
Hitler was a Socialist, Merkel and her CDU are in charge since WW2. At least do basic research before you open up threads. Mods should ban idiots like you.

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>>136236134
>Hitler was a Socialist
Only in his sense of Socialism, there were no means of production being seized, rich and poor people, religion and nationalism and racialism over internationalism

The real "Socialists" who were nationalists got purged in the night of the long knives.

Hitler intended to steal the word Socialism and put his preferred meaning of the word

>>136229774
THE JEWS CREATED NAZIS
the shills know the natsoc threads are no working
NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO REVERSE COURSE
and CONFLATE
one of their tricks
to CONFLATE
NATIONAL CULTURAL CAPITALISM
with nazism, to again try and BLUR OUT what they are really TRYING TO DO:
PROMOTE SOCIALISM
SO :
They promote NATSOC as an edgy way of pushing socialism on us
THAT FAILS:
NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO CALL NAZIS RIGHT WING
NAZIS WERE SOCIALISTS
NAZIS WERE LEFT WING
FUCK YOU SHILL CUNT

>>136229919
>>136230004
MORE SHILLS
Two tactics: promote national socialism as edgy and cool: REAL REASON: promote socialism
NOW: new tactic they are trying to pretend NAZIS were RIGHT WING, and failed, and LEFT won over
NAZIS WERE SOCIALISTS
SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM IS ENEMY #1
These are two shill strategies they are using BE AWARE

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>>136229774
Sure it is, that's why Islam is spreading like wildfire and regressive leftards nazis are in constant frenzy.

>>136236300
Why do Anglo shits always try to convince everybody that Hitler was a Christian deus volt man who tried to privatize banks and give control to Jerusalem?
Hitler's opponent on election day was a Habsburg.
Hitler nationalized production like Communists.
Hitler repressed religion like Communists.
There were no Jews in charge in Communism.
Your Anglo history is bunch of lies like your bible.

>>136236517
Every single one of those statements is demonstrably wrong.

>>136236382
>>136236488

Did the Nazi's seize the means of production from privately owned individuals and hand it over the people, or intend to?

Yes or No?

If Yes they were socialist
If No they were not Socialists and an entirely different political system. Also please remove your snake flag I'm almost 100% certain your a retarded American

>>136236564
Ok Paki, are you capable of any intelligence to prove i am wrong?

>>136236586
There are many forms of socialism, not every form defend the same actions, like seizing the means of production.

>>136236660
...how about you try to prove that you're right first?
>Hitler's opponent on election day was a Habsburg.
Seriously, what the fuck are you on about?

>>136236517
>>136236517
>Why do Anglo shits always try to convince everybody that Hitler was a Christian deus volt man who tried to privatize banks and give control to Jerusalem?
No one does this, Hitler was neither a Deus vulter, nor an atheist, nor a Pagan
>Hitler's opponent on election day was a Habsburg
And he wasn't a moncahist, he was a fascist
>Hitler nationalized production like Communists.
Wrong he actually sold off many state assets to public individuals, anyway the US, and Briton all nationalized farms and arms production.
>Hitler repressed religion like Communists.
Wrong as hell, religion played a large role in Natsoc many of the social welfare programs came from the Church
>There were no Jews in charge in Communism.
Wrong Karl marx and Lenin were both Jewish
>Your Anglo history is bunch of lies like your bible.
Slav intelligence.

>>136236762
*private individuals not public individuals

>>136229774
nazism doesn't exists.

>>136236736
>>136236762
HITLER'S OPPONENT ON ELECTION DAY WAS A MONARCHY FAG:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_presidential_election,_1932
>Paul von Hindenburg, first elected in 1925, was re-elected to a second seven-year term of office. His major opponent in the election was Adolf Hitler of the Nazi Party (NSDAP).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Germany_%281919%E2%80%931945%29
>Precursor German Emperor
>Paul von Hindenburg
Last president of Weimar republic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Emperor
>The German Emperor (German: Deutscher Kaiser) was the official title of the head of state and hereditary ruler of the German Empire.

>>136236736
>>136236762
HITLER NATIONALIZED PROPERTY, INCLUDING CHURCHES

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Evangelical_Church
>The German Evangelical Church (German: Deutsche Evangelische Kirche), also known in English as the Protestant Reich Church and colloquially as the Reich Church (German: Reichskirche), was a unified state church
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church
>Eventually, the Nazi tactics of repression were too much for Zoellner to bear and he resigned on 12 February 1937, after the Gestapo had denied him the right to visit some imprisoned pastors.
>The Führer is the herald of a new revelation

Nazi Germany law:
http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/partei20.htm
>Wir fordern die Verstaatlichung aller (bisher) bereits vergesellschafteten (Trusts) Betriebe.
Translation:
>We call for the nationalization of all (trusts) companies in existence.
http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/partei33.htm
>Nach dem Sieg der nationalsozialistischen Revolution ist die Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei die Trägerin des deutschen Staatsgedankens und mit dem Staat unlöslich verbunden.
Translation:
>After the victory of the National Socialist Revolution, the National Socialist German Workers' Party is the bearer of the German national idea and is inseparably connected with the state.

>>136237270
And?
Hitler never pretended he was pro Monarchism

>>136237335
>HITLER NATIONALIZED PROPERTY, INCLUDING CHURCHES
Yeah sure some, just like the Americans and Brits but a large majority of it was not
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church
The Confessing Church was a movement within German Protestantism during Nazi Germany that arose in opposition to government-sponsored efforts to unify all Protestant churches into a single pro-Nazi Protestant Reich Church. Be anti-nation. Surprised you get btfo and your traitorous shit gets taken.


>We call for the nationalization of all (trusts) companies in existence.
>A trust company is a corporation, especially a commercial bank, organized to perform the fiduciary of trusts and agencies. It is normally owned by one of three types of structures: an independent partnership, a bank, or a law firm, each of which specializes in being a trustee of various kinds of trusts and in managing estates.
(((BANKS))), did we forgot Hitler took a Rothschild prisoner then seized their banks.
>After the victory of the National Socialist Revolution, the National Socialist German Workers' Party is the bearer of the German national idea and is inseparably connected with the state.
yeah Hitlers non Marxist socialism, which has nothing to do any seizing the means of production

>>136236488
I'm not passing judgements, just explaining.

>>136229774
Thats right! We have to learn from the past!
But now "the Left" is extinguishing whole Europe - they´re gone too far.
It hast to be balanced back