AYY YO - HOL' UP!

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Still watching the video.

My mind is blown!

>>136127570
Earth is flat that's why.

>>136127570
Sun goes east to west as earth rotates. Moon is in middle, therefore shadow goes west to east.

Holy shit 6 minutes in now, this is good.

>>136129629
Watch the video.

It shows that in order for that to be the case, the moon has to basically stop. ts impossible.

The earth rotates fastest at 28 (or so) times a month which is ONE rotation of the moon around the earth.

The eclipse moving west to east is impossible.

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>>136130167
Yeah - that was my reaction.

I found some more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv0XCWktRJg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbrQi4HTnR4&feature=share

Haven't watched these yet but they look good

>>136127570
You must be from london, because such logic must come from a shitskin.

>>136131726
Bristol, and I'm white.

I'm not really a flat earther - I just watched the video and couldn't argue it.

Can you? Please debunk if you can.

>>136127570
this video is soooo fucking stupid

>>136132211
Shit mayn why does my fist look bigger than that house over there?

>>136132279
ok - but say why.

There is ZERO point in just putting "I think this is wrong [fullstop]".

>>136132211
>Can you? Please debunk if you can.

dude.

the earth is 80 times bigger than the moon.

The sun is 1,300,000 bigger than the earth. the sun is 104,000,000 times bigger than the moon. using a light bulb that is a couple times bigger than the moon in these examples is extremely fucking stupid. a more accurate representation would be shining a flashlight at the head of a fucking pin. You probably won't even be able to see the shadow, that's how small it is in comparison to the size of the object.

this is so dumb

>>136132423
your fist (the moon) is alot closer to you (the sun) than the earth (the house).

But the moon is WAAAAYYYYYYY closer to the earth than it is to the sun.

>>136132667
you might have a point about the flashlight / pin analogy, but how do you get a west to east eclipse when the earth has to spin 28 times for the moons 1.

NASAs explanation is, "the moon is spinning faster than the earth is rotating"
Makes no sense.

>>136127570
you know what makes me half-believe in this shit? pictures from the earth that show the moon in the background vs pictures from the moon that show the earth in the background. im not the smartest guy around, but if the earth is 4x the size of the moon, shouldn the earth in the pictures from the moon be about 4x the sive of the pictures of the moon from the earth?

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>>136132671
That literally make no fucking difference you retard, and what a shitty way to interpret the analogy. This is almost skillful mental impairment.
Here's something I used to help explain it to my 6 year old cousin, worked for him.

>>136132975
Several of these pictures have varying levels of zoom, keep that in mind.

>>136132939

Dude.

The earth rotates at 0.3km per second.

The earth orbits the sun at 29.8km per second. The earth travels around the sun almost 100 times faster than it spins.

>>136133156
The video mentions converging light. Light doesn't converge like that.

>This is almost skillful mental impairment.
This made me laugh. I'm going to use this on my mates - if they ever say anything halfways skillful

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>>136133293

>>136133361
The MOON. How fast does the moon orbit compared to the earths spin?
Not faster.

Think about it - the earth has to spin 7 times for the moon to move through 1 quarter turn around the earth, but the eclipse is going to move across the WHOLE of the US in a few hours WHILE its spinning eastwards?

Makes no sense

>>136133713
>Think about it - the earth has to spin 7 times for the moon to move through 1 quarter turn around the earth, but the eclipse is going to move across the WHOLE of the US in a few hours WHILE its spinning eastwards?

The earth is travelling around the sun 10 times faster than it is spinning

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>>136133361
>>136133816

so where are these places that are in 300+ days of darkness?

It means the earth is flat and that the jews are opening the gates of hell to let satan in to rule over the world and we wait for our lord savior jesus to return and fuck satan up.

>>136133293
do you have any zoom pics from earth where the moon looks 1/4 the size it should be?

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>>136133460
Yes it does, do you ever go outside? We aren't talking about a point source of light, or a source of light sending it in a single direction. The sun is bigger than the moon ergo the penumbra will converge.
Here's one I made as volunteer work for the local special needs class.

>>136134059
I have a flash light in my hand no wonder those kids are still retarded.

>>136133713
period=/=speed
Ill keep bumping this thread until /pol/ starts addressing the problem of severe stupidity endemic to right-wing communities. National socialist officials has IQs of 130+, degeneracy like this is unacceptable.

On the off chance that this flat-earth claim is real, what would that mean for humanity and everyday life?

>>136134009
Oh so you're a bit slow too. No, zoom doesn't decrease in size, the moon would be magnified in size, as oppose to the earth being shrunk. A moon that you can see trough a drinking straw does not make for very nice pictures.

>>136134271
I got an IQ of 130 on a mensa test.

I got a score of 158 on a non-mensa test once. That was my all time high score.

>>136134381
It would mean that there is a god

>>136134168
And you still can't figure it out with all the tools needed? Boy you must be fucking hopeless then, too bad.

>>136134557
Damn, mine was 6 gorrilion.

>>136134623
The Shadow Gets bigger not smaller.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyc49kxqRnQ

>>136134681
Yeah, and what are you point it at?

>>136134381
We are 2D

>>136131324
I think the earth and moon rotate around the same speed or so, thats why you always see the face of the moon and why we have never seen "the dark side"
Its actually astronomically unlikely for 2 celestial bodies orbiting each other to rotate like that

>>136132667
False.

The earth is 4 times bigger than the moon off diameter alone (almost 16 times bigger in surface area and 60 times bigger in mass, but these are irrelevant to eclipses).

The earth is 378,000km from the moon and 149 million km from the sun.

To correct your analogy, it's not like shining a flashlight on a pin, it's like shining a flashlight on a celestial object that is within spitting distance of another one in relation to the source of the light.

>>136134789
English please, I am using it as my Star in my scale model of the solar system.

>>136134808
> astronomically unlikely for 2 celestial bodies orbiting each other to rotate like that

Yeah - Its also unlikely for the moon to be so big compared to the earth. Most moons are tiny compared to their planet.

And its also unlikely that the moon would fit over the sun almost exactly in the way it does.

The odds have to be 6 gorrillion to one.

>>136134865
>what are you pointing it at?
>english please
I wonder which language that could be. What could it MEAN? Maybe that the earth is flat?
You still didn't answer my question.

>>136134863
>using diameter to define size and not volume (cross sectional area would also work in terms of measuring angular size, however, and might be more relevant for this topic).

>>136135084
a little ball made of iron basalt and magnesium...

Like I fucking told you, I am using the Flashlight in my scale model of the Solar System.

>>136127570
>2017
>He still believes in the globe earth
>He still believes that the (((moon))) causes eclipses and not the black sun

>>136134808
Wait, what the fuck?

We never see the dark of the moon, yet it rotates around the earth every 28 days.

How the fuck does it rotate around the earth every 28 days and yet stay in perfect sync (in terms of side facing us) wherever we are on the earth?

>>136135064
Thats the beautiful thing about Earth, we really are pure chance. Against great odds here we are.
Also have you ever noticed how the sun is a tiny bit bigger than the moon in the sky? Only attempt this early morning or right before sunset. Use sunglasses. The sun doesnt look insanely big to us, which is why its so beneficial.
This isnt difficuly

>>136135743
>2017
>He still believes that these astronomically impossibly low chances of something happening are really just random chance and not intelligent design

>>136132975
You're right. You're not the smartest guy around.

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>>136135651
>>136135743
>>136135890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7ukpCyYG0

>>136135266
Okay.

Moon surface cross-sectional is M.
This is calculated as 1/4pi x d^2. d represents diameter of moon, naturally.

Hence earth's surface cross-sectional, E, can be defined as 4M.

>>136132667
The Earth is SIX times larger than the moon you dumb fucking leaf

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>>136135890
I think we're both saying its designed that way.

>>136135471
Whats the black sun? Got any videos on it?

>>136134863
The flashlight would need to be far enough away that when viewed head on through the pin, the pin almost entirely covers the light source (as we see in an eclipse).

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>>136136165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg

Holy shit you guys are dumb.


Stop treating the light source like it is a single pin point. Problem solved.

>>136135651
Magic, bro. Er, I mean, science you fucking mouthbreather!

>>136136076
I thought 80 was fucking huge

>>136136201
Sure, but it would be a pin very close to another (albeit larger) pin.

The pin analogy doesn't work since the moon is not a pin, it's quite large in relation to Earth.

>>136136019
Holy shit you are thick. It would be 16 times.

>>136136265
This, it's not hard.

>>136135279
If it's in fact much smaller than the lightsource, then it will converge. There's an outer shadow which will diverge, but there is a second inner one which has to converge, you're doing or measuring something wrong, there isn't a scenario where you are correct.

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>>136136761
>I don't care about your experimental results.
Ok.

>>136136265
>Stop treating the light source like it is a single pin point. Problem solved.

Yeah, the apparent cross-sectional area of the sun is only slightly larger than that of the moon, when viewed from Earth.

The TIME required for the umbra to move across the earth is therefore the same amount of time it takes for the moon to move from being tangent to oneside of the sun to tangent to the other side. It's a fucking tiny amount of movement in terms of arc, because the apparent size of the moon is so close to the apparent size of the sun.

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Just watching this one now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csULdTh7Xqshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csULdTh7Xqs

Its really salting the pistachios

Fighting each other on a Japanese cartoon forum about the size of the moon. Impressive.

>>136136484
My bad. Don't know how that slipped by.

Regardless, it's not 80 times the size. It's still a significant proportion of the size relative to how far away we are from the sun.

>>136136909
Because it's overruled by the ones conducted by people who actually know what the fuck they're doing. I tried it and surprise surprise, it does exactly what math and physics says it should.

>>136137097
Right ill grant you that, I am just getting a little irritated. If size were interpreted as volume, which is correct but mostly useless in this instance, it should be ~64 times "larger".

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>>136137212
but that is not the scientific method works.

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Whenever I see /pol/ talking about space it makes me want to switch to the left. You guys are so fucking retarded it hurts.

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>>136127570
Just leave this here

>>136127570
You understand how a lever works? How it moves around the central pivot? Shadows work the same way you dipshit.

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>>136137377
+how

>>136137370
You know what's funny in all this is depending on what you're measuring, the earth can be anywhere from 4 to 64 times bigger than the moon.

Talk about a fucking discrepancy haha

>>136137377
Scientific method assumes you did the test/experiment correctly, usually conducted by people with IQ>65. Humans are flawed so we require several trials and large data sets, which is still the scientific method just with more corollaries.

>>136127570

you guys are retarded

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>>136137709
we are in the lab right now..

>>136132211
God bless you and your critical thinking skills op

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>>136137028
Assuming you're not just trolling, but genuinely confused, look at the attached picture.

The umbra moves across the Earth as long as the moon is totally contained within the sun.

Because the apparent size of the moon is ALMOST as large as the Sun, it only stays within the sun for a very small amount of time. Meanwhile, the umbra is tracing a large path across the earth in that same small amount of time.

This is why the umbra moves so fast. It's not simply about how fast the moon is moving, but about the relative apparent sizes of the sun and moon.

>>136137702
"size" isn't very specific inherently, so yeah failure in our language I guess that some words only make sense with a very clearly layed out context.

>>136137517
Most modern science is just another belief system. It's being used by (((them))) to make people close minded and replace peoples belief in God.

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>>136127570
Thi is the official distance and scale of sun, moon and earth

/pol/, where it's impossible to discern bait from legit opinions

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>>136138197
>/pol/, where it's impossible to discern bait from legit opinions

Honestly, it is counterintuitive. Most of the people shitposting here probably don't understand it.

>>136131324
the moon is tidally locked you dumb nigger

>>136138337
Wtf, red pill me on star wars, are dey da ilumatee?

>>136138237
too easy

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>>136132423

Because it is. In the slice of reality that is in front of you, your fist is large than that house over in the other slice of reality. That house of there is a foggy perception of your senses. It only exists as a projection in your mind until you go over to that house and interact with it. Then you and the house are in the same reality. OR maybe I'm just stoned and talking shit.

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>>136138630
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE

>>136138539
It's not that the philosophical approach that "everything you think you know is just input from your personal senses/perspective" is wrong, it's just useless. My empirical approach seem to work just fine, and that's all I care about, because that's as far anyone can really go and get something meaningful out of it.If everything we an learn is fake, there's no way to know what's real so why bother considering it at all?

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>>136134059
Loook this >>136138051

>>136134472
I'm tempted to say you're a retard but please explain further.

If I'm zooming in the object in distance grows larger. If I zoom out it gets smaller while I see more ground. how does that explain the unexplainable moon pics?

If anything it disproves your point.

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ITT, countries that didn't go to the moon can't into orbital mechanics

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>>136139158
Bro, you are not so retarded as you seem, americans are fucked up by TV and brainwashing.

>>136138424
what is "tidally locked"?

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>>136127570
>How come the eclipse will go from west to east?
Because the West Side is the Best Side.

>>136138630
Whats strange about this photo? It looks normal to me

it's cause the earth is gay and the moon dont swing that way

>>136139410
>implying eurofags haven't been brainwashed the same way

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>>136139721
The floor is completely flat except for grass, as it is the ocean except for the waves.

Earth is flat.

>>136134808
They don't rotate at the same speed but the same side of the moon is always facing the earth.

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>>136139858
We don´t have an alert signal on tv allways, witch can turn gradually red and don´t tell what is about the alert.

I know we are fucked as well.

>>136140042
Oh I see. Thats very strange

>>136133713
How can you be this unintelligent?

What are you implying with your statement of this video? What conspiracy do you believe now?

>>136134271
The left just accepts and regurgitates, being right is usually a coincidence. The right only seems more stupid to you because they question more. Conclusions will be the same bit the right tests the information. Sorry we're not sheep. Thinking is frustrating, isn't it?

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>>136140507
The eclipse can't go from west to east because the earth is rotating faster than the moon is moving.

>>136139572
That nigger looks gay. Do they know their idols were cocksuckers?

>>136135651
it's called tidally locked stupid. holy shit you facists are retards

>>136127570
The problem with the Flat Earth conspiracy theory is that it is not falsifiable. I could show you a video of a satellite orbiting the Earth, and you will say that it is doctored, even if it is unedited raw footage. I could show you how a flat Earth contradicts many of our best scientific models, and you would claim (without evidence) that they are all false. There is no amount of evidence that will ever convince a Flat Earther that the Earth is indeed, more or less round (it's an oblate spheroid, not a sphere, but nonetheless certainly not a disk), but for them to make their case to convince the entirety of the world that the Earth is not round is painfully simple. Indeed, all one needs to do to disprove all of our scientific knowledge and claim that the Earth is actually flat, is to show us what the edge of the Earth looks like. Certainly, it would not be too budget heavy to fly a drone with a go-pro over to a supposed border between the Earth and the abyss below us and Livestream the whole thing to fucking YouTube, but thus far in over 2000 years of knowing that the Earth is round, and over 100 years of being able to create photographs, not a single person has ever managed to document the "edge" of the Earth that logically must exist if it is flat.

Piss off and stop sliding threads made by actually intelligent people.
>>136140841
Do you think there is a fucking giant tree in the middle of the Earth or a giant snake around it?

>>136141569
Ask anybody anywhere what tidally locked means and 99% will have to look it up, you stupid reddit fedora faggot.

>>136134805
Simple but funny

>>136127570
the nasa animation is correct other than yes, the moon is waaay to fuckin close
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

>>136141881
This.
Flat earthers are just like libs in the sense that there is no argument you can possibly make that will change their views.
You can bring up GPS, you can bring up telescopes that can literally see other sphere shaped object.
You easily prove distance to other objects
World grid lines which I use daily as a Surveyor, are drawn up from the center of the earth and would be impossible if the world was flat.
Longitude and Latitude would not work
I could sail to Japan starting from BC or Newfoundland going in opposite directions
I could sail from BC to Newfound, on a direct baring
All this things are impossible with flat earth

But hey.... I guess it's flat r-right guys?

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>>136141881
>>136145972
Im not really a flat earther - its just the NASA guy in the video was all like, "the moon is moving twice as fast as the earth is spinning. Thats why the eclipse will come west to east." And I was all like, "but that means in one day the moon would have cycled twice around the earth."
Makes no sense.

And that was a top NASA sciency guy in the video.

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I'm not a flat earther but the video is 100% right about the fact that all those graphical simulations are wrong and retarded.
Also I've read all the posts itt and still nobody explained how can an eclipse go from west to east. Every single post that tried to explain was painfully braindead so far.

>>136146964
yeah - true

>>136146964
if you were situated HIGH above the north pole, the Moon would appear to move counterclockwise in its orbit around the Earth.
THAT motion of the Moon moving in its orbit, dragging its shadow along behind it, that causes the eclipse path on Earth to move from west to east.

>>136146641
You've never seen the moon in the daytime? I have. My great grandmother used to say it means you're lazy if you see the moon during the daytime.

>>136146641
It's good to question things.
When it comes to space, the average person is so uneducated, that it becomes near impossible to grasp things. Even myself on so many things, for example, gravity.... just blows my mind. I can't truly grasp it.

Mathematics as well.
We are know that E=MC2, but if I was to explain the formulas that went into that, you would call me a madman.
So how can I prove that E=MC2 to your average person? I can't.
At least, regardless, they won't understand, and that doesn't make the equation wrong or a conspiracy because 99% of the population will just see a bunch of numbers and not understand it.