A Clockwork Orange

>>136118092

Movie is overrated as shit, so is 2001. Spartacus, Full Metal, and Strangelove are the only Kubrick movies that matter.

>>136118092
yeah it's one of those "Hurr durr! look at me! me like a vintage movie! me smart!" The movie itself isn't bad its the faggy ass crowd it gathers

>>136118092
Aversion therapy isn't the same as brainwashing. FWIW, I got given the book for Christmas aged 10, 40 years ago and didn't see the film until the grainy VHS pirates started doing the rounds in the 1980's.

Read the book. Not the American edition.

>>136118092
>conspiracies and brainwashing
It's really a shame that this part from the movie was nearly fully skipped.
In the book it's at least 50 pages only how they break Alex.

>>136118092
>He didn't read the book
Wew lad

>>136121675

That last chapter changes a lot.

>>136118092
Read the book, it's completely different at the end. The movie is a Jewish trick, the book is redpilled.

>>136121675
Oh yeah, they even changed the ending of the book here in the states, I forgot yeah, the original ending is the best.

>>136121797
But seriously. The final chapter will make clear all that you're missing.

It's not a great book. High school tier at best, an easy read and quite short. But it's still worth a read.

>>136121754
Ever notice how everybody uses Soviet slang throughout the novel? It's quite clear the Russians won the Cold War, or it's heavily implied they paperclipped their way into Western society.

>>136121537
You haven't seen The Killing.

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>>136122264
Clockwork Orange is often wrongly used to describe rightwing dystopias when the government in the book & movie are clearly Socialists.

>>136118092

>takes a Kubrick movie at face value

It's not about any of that stuff at all silly. It's all about the UN/EU and neoliberal transnational authoritarianism. He said so himself.

>>136118092

okay so how do you explain the brainwashing scene? at least say one argument.

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>>136118092
Don't pretend this hurtbox known as pol isn't relevant to that film. We are conditioning ourselves.

>>136122414

You're right. I'll check it out eventually

I'd suspect that Kubrick was a rebel against the elite. He kicked their asses, but did it in way that they couldn't recognise it or admit it.

Why are you posting this again? What kind of data mining are you achieving?

I tried watching this again with my gf and had to shut it off 2 minutes in. That rapey edgy shit makes me want to kill people now.

>>136118092
Did you know that Burgess was inspired to write the novel after a visit to the Soviet Union? He was shocked to discover that Soviet police allowed a great deal of small crime - assaults, rape, robberies, etc. - while only really cracking down on political dissidents. Sound familiar? Like the modern EU, perhaps?

>>136121675
Is the original ending where he meets one of his old droogs in the bar with his wife and decides to grow up now?

>>136118092
I only read the book and I think the whole message with how you have to let a human decide for himself if he wants to be good or evil is retarded. The way how everything repeats itself except for the change of people involved was more interesting to me. For example that the old people want to beat up alex or that the police is now terrorising the population.

>>136124947
>I think the whole message with how you have to let a human decide for himself if he wants to be good or evil is retarded
That's because you're an idiot. The title of the book clearly is over your head.

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>>136125309
>don't like the message of the book
>idiot

Sure dude. tell me why it's that important as a message except for the christian value system.
Sure it's dystopian and I wouldn't like that to happen in the real world, but isn't keeping people who are a danger for society in prison for their whole life time pretty much the same?

>>136118092
>Have some monkeys saying this movie is good and "cultural"
>Other monkeys whit zero ability for objective thinking will be attracted for such movie.
>You now have more monkeys saying that this movie is great and will be hostile towards anyone who says the opposite.
>???
>Profit
I hated this sad garbage from minute 1

>>136118092
It's pretty good
>>136121537

2001 is fuckin kino shut your Negro mouth

>>136125539
Holy shit you're dumb.

Clockwork - mechanical, fake, programmed, etc
Orange- organic, real, etc

the book is better. not that kubrick is a bad director or anything but the movie cuts the epilogue out among other key elements

>>136122217
There's a reason Burgess hated the book. He whipped it together to meet a publisher's deadline. The version I have his forward is him bashing his own book, the American publisher and critics for not getting it. Kind of funny actually.

>>136126600
..I know.
I never said that I didn't understand that, I just don't see why it's seen as important.
I read the book because I heared a lot about the movie and was ready for something thats going to blow my mind away like 1984 did, but it wasn't as good, because the message was obvious to me

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>>136126944
being Alex grows the fuck up and gets a job

>>136121537
>he didn't list Eyes Wide Shut
The ONLY movie that matters, and his finest work.

Kubrick made his own film.

>>136126302
It's boring.

>>136127957
i watched it 6 times. it's comfy

>>136118092
read the book, also read a brave new world. I cant stress brave new world enough, its super short and im only like 3 chapters into it, but it really makes you look around at the world and realize huxley was right, not Orwell

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>>136121537
pleb

>>136124142

He wasn't exactly brainwashed he was conditioned in the ol' gulliver

>>136128254
Barry Lyndon is great I would give all of Kubrick s movies a watch over at least once, just take a week of the old chans to get it done my dudes

>>136121537
shining is good..

>>136126944
>>136127867
The book's epilogue is absolutely moronic wish-fulfillment on the part of the author.

A hardcore psychopath like Alex would never have an epiphany about how violence is childish and being a functional member of society is super rad. He would carry on his entire life as a parasite or a violent criminal or both.

>>136122132
At the end Alex gets politically rehabilitated as a "victim" by liberal politicians, including the raped woman's cuck husband. How is that not redpilled?

>>136121537
I personally prefer Fern Gully

>>136121537
I agree on 2001, no one who isn't massively biased likes that snorefest.

>>136122537
>>136122264
It's neither socialist nor right wing, it's a liberal democratic dystopia.

>>136122537
This is true of almost every dystopia in fiction.

Perhaps on some level all people understand just how dangerous left wing ideology is.

>>136121537
go back to your CoD kid

>>136134003
Not really. The democracy is a farce, as the government uses control of the media and propaganda to elicit the "correct" election result and keep the masses passive, and when that doesn't work, it resorts to forced brainwashing.

The book highlights the extremes of left-think and right-think, with the implication that the former tends to beget the latter.

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>>136121537
lol

>>136128179
They're both right. The methods of control go hand-in-hand.

>>136121537
You fucking moron. 2001 was revolutionary. You're just used to Star Wars so it's not impressive anymore 4U

>>136118092
Stupidest fucking movie I ever wasted time watching

>>136135602
Whole movie is shows people consuming, fucking, taking drugs and being criminals out of boredom. Art is ugly and modernist pornography, classical buildings are abandoned. Alex' dumb parents go from work straight to watching TV all day. Politicians only care about PR, "victims" of the system are used as tools to change public opinion. The ideal human is some excessively reconditioned non-confrontational omega male, not an Aryan or a "New Soviet Man", but the typical libshit.

>>136118092
/pol/ shouldn't talk about film

you're all fucking plebs

What did /pol/ think the message of barry lyndon movie was? Just a lucky irishmans journey or something more?

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>>136118092
Using movies for reference is utterly pleb tier, use books instead. Most of the movies are made by pedophile Jews anyway.

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>>136118092
Hechinger is probably quite sincere in what he feels. But what
the witness feels, as the judge said, is not evidence - the more so
when the charge is one of purveying "the essence of fascism."

"Is this an uncharitable reading of . . . the film's thesis?" Mr.
Hechinger asks himself with unwonted, if momentary doubt. I would
reply that it is an *irrelevant* reading of the thesis, in fact an
insensitive and inverted reading of the thesis, which, so far from
advocating that fascism be given a second chance, warns against the
new psychedelic fascism -- the eye-popping, multimedia, quadrasonic,
drug-oriented conditioning of human beings by other beings -- which
many believe will usher in the forfeiture of human citizenship and
the beginning of zombiedom.

>>136122414
damn good movie. seriously, Kubrick's filmography is about the only one that really has significance across the board.

>>136118092
The movie is about free will, goverment boundaries and degeneracy
Nothing about brainwashing and conspiracies
Maybe the people you spoke to were stupid
>>136121537
Full metal jacked is a decent movie the first 1/2 the rest is a boring piece of shit

>>136128067
comfy indeed

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>>136137584
I wonder how he would reconcile his simplistic notions with the
views of such an acknowledged anti-fascist as Arthur Koestler, who
wrote in his book "The Ghost in the Machine," "The Promethean myth has
acquired an ugly twist: the giant reaching out to steal the lightning
from the Gods is insane . . . When you mention, however tentatively, the
hypothesis that a paranoid streak is inherent in the human condition,
you will promptly be accused of taking a one-sided, morbid view of
history; of being hypnotized by its negative aspects; of picking out
the black stones in the mosaic and neglecting the triumphant achieve-
ments of human progress . . . To dwell on the glories of man and ignore
the symptoms of his possible insanity is not a sign of optimism but of
ostrichism. It could only be compared to the attitude of that jolly
physician who, a short time before Van Gogh committed suicide, declared
that he could not be insane because he painted such beautiful pictures."
Does this, I wonder, place Mr. Koestler on Mr. Hechinger's newly
started blacklist?

It is because of the hysterical denunciations of self-proclaimed
"alert liberals" like Mr. Hechinger that the cause of liberalism is
weakened, and it is for the same reason that so few liberal-minded
politicians risk making realistic statements about contemporary social
problems.

>>136124261
This guy gets it

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>>136139110
The age of the alibi, in which we find ourselves, began with the
opening sentence of Rousseau's "Emile": "Nature made me happy and good,
and if I am otherwise, it is society's fault." It is based on two
misconceptions: that man in his natural state was happy and good, and
that primal man had no society.

Robert Ardrey has written in "The Social Contract," "The organizing
principle of Rousseau's life was his unshakable belief in the original
goodness of man, including his own. That it led him into most towering
hypocrises must follow from such an assumption. More significant are
the disillusionments, the pessimism, and the paranoia that such a belief
in human nature must induce."

>>136121537
Shining

>>136118092
Not exactly brainwashed, just conditioned mentally not to like criminal behavior. That said people look too much into it. It's just a dark comedy

>>136138408
it's not about any of those things, it is purely about human nature and society. It doesn't make any comment about what a utopia looks like and certainly doesn't talk about degeneracy or assume rigid order is better. It just displays human nature and asks why certain acts feel wrong and others right, when society can accept almost any atrocity or excess.

>it's 2026
>third year of the race war
>you've had some moloko plus to prepare a for a little bit of the old ultra-violence
>you're about to go kill and rape some non-whites with your droogs
>this music comes on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeO4RF7eXBc
oh bliss

Book is even better.