I am a LIBERTARIAN: DEBATE ME.

>>136091627
Mods please remove this post.

>>136091848

Why? Do you fear being BTFO?

>>136091627
The blade in the fasces is supposed to be removed to show the superiority of the united people over the state. See: usage of fasces in the iconography of the roman republic and the united states.

>>136091627
what topic?

>>136091627
Are low skill immigrants good for the country?

>>136092144
Because /pol/ has turned into the white male version of feminist tumblr

If I wear thick leather boots and thick padded pants. You won't be able to bite me if I step on you.

>>136091627
What is the master race and why is it Hapa?

>>136092341

Any.

>>136092426
>wearing padded pants
go lurk /fa moar faggot

>>136091627
What's your stance on General AI? Would you use it for government? Would that government be an involuntary or voluntary hierarchy? Do you know you're using the AnCap flag?

>>136092692
/fa/ is full of ugly homos with shit taste

>>136092345

No. Maybe neo-serf workers who companies house away from European-Americans (and civil Americans in general) would be fine; such people should never be our civic equals however.

>>136091627
Why is the after more happened without tangible?

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>>136092790

>What's your stance on General AI?

See pic.

>Would you use it for government? Would that government be an involuntary or voluntary hierarchy? Do you know you're using the AnCap flag?


Neocameralism wherein SovCorps are DACs would be amazing.

>>136091627
A test then. Snake or Porcupine?

>>136093744

Golden Eagle.

>>136093908
Johnson, Petersen, or McAfee?

>>136094143

Thiel.

>>136094143
McAfee

how does it feel to know that the first libertarians were french COMMUNISTS who coined the term after the gov banned groups naming themselves communist?
how does it feel to know that flag and the ideology that it tries to imitate is diametrically opposed to capitalism?
how come u conservatives co-opt leftist labels? is it to attempt to make ur ideologies more appealing?

>>136094248
Thiel wasn't in the running and wasn't part of the LP debate.

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>>136094438

What should we call ourselves?

>>136094284
McAfee is always fun. Petersen should have run for VP.

>>136094500

The LP is horrible. My vote was for Trump.

>>136094751
Agreed. They picked Johnson over Petersen.

>>136094886

What is Aleppo?

>>136095316
Bake the Cake ruined his LP claim. Just another power hungry politician.

>>136095316
>What is Aleppo?
>tfw all credibility was lost

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why should you give people freedom

when you give people freedom they are going to naturally demand more as you can see now with women and blacks

women have had suffrage for the last 90 years or so and blacks have had rights for the last 60 years yet now they want more than us whites get (affirmative action, welfare, etc)

oppress them and make them appreciate the society that has been built for them

>>136094635
probably "voluntarists" on account of the fact that anarchist ideology openly rejects capitalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

How do you feel about racemixing? How do you feel about the relentless race mixing propaganda fed to people on a daily basis via advertisements, entertainment, and social media? Because this is what turned me from a libertarian into a Nazi.

>>136094248
Interesting. Thiel's in the Bilderberg group.

He wants to increase longevity for humans. So I take it he's a transhumanist. I'm a technocrat, but I'm not transhumanist. I'd prefer to stay human as others go on to become masters of AI.

>>136095539
>anarchist ideology openly rejects capitalism
Since when? It's called anarcho-capitalism for a reason.

Who builds the roads?

>>136092144
I'm a libertarian, you added nothing to this board with the post, there is no original content. This is literally what is used as an example as a bannable topic. So again, I ask the mods, please remove this post. Next time actually have a topic.

>>136091848
Gtfo nigger

>>136095869
Private contractors, working for money. Try again.

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>>136091627
>DON'T THREAD ON ME

>>136095904
Ok then... Do private property rights give a woman the right to an abortion or does the non-aggression principle require that she carry it to term?

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>things that trigger OP

>>136095930
Read the sticky you jackass. This makes libertarians look bad with this fucking retarded shit. There is no original content. This should be removed.

>>136094635
How about addle brained fucktard ?
That's what you anarcho-libertardians are,after all.

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>>136094586
how do you explain heroism?

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>>136091627
who was in the wrong here?

>>136096195
Meant to quote op

>>136096128
According to the libertarian evictionist theory she has the right to remove the fetus from her body, but she cannot kill it, nor can she stop anyone from saving the baby once it is out of her womb. Now gtfo you retarded piece of shit. There are dozens of threads that actually put topics in the original post. This thread is not one of them. He could have chosen any topic, and he chose none.

>>136096168
Demonstrating your sharp knowledge of economics here?

>>136095528
Humans are evil, and they survive and breed more than they should under natsoc than under capitalism.

If we make it too easy on the peasants they have children, and in turn we get overpopulation.

>>136095528

>why should you give people freedom

Then you should enjoy being my slave.

>when you give people freedom they are going to naturally demand more as you can see now with women and blacks

Social Marxian 'freedom' (plunder and coercion against private property owners) =/= real freedom (private property).

>women have had suffrage for the last 90 years or so and blacks have had rights for the last 60 years yet now they want more than us whites get (affirmative action, welfare, etc)

I'm against democracy in general.

>oppress them and make them appreciate the society that has been built for them

Define 'oppress' (low-IQ Blacks would probably believe a lack of gibs is 'oppression')?

>>136096358
>ancap
>talking about sharp knowledge of econ
MUHHHHHHHH AUSTRIANNNNSS
GOLD IS MONEY REEEEEE

>>136096128
As a previous Libertarian in Ron Paul's camp, I was against abortions on constitutional grounds. Now I guess I'm in favor of segregation in communities based on any reason, including political or moral ones. If we're going to have international anarchy, we get to still have constitutions for communities that want it, while letting degenerates exist outside of civilized society. They just better mind the NAP.

>>136095706
Capitalist medicine eventually will allow you to remove genetic flaws from children, such as black iq.

>>136096313
Excellent!. Quoted from the textbook. But since she cannot remove it without killing it, which is it? Does she not initiate aggression on the fetus?

>>136095847
well i meant well established "proper" fleshed out anarchist thought
proudhon/bakunin/kropotkin the CNT-FAI Ukraines black territory anarchists NONE of them were "anarcho"-capitalist
in fact most of them were one of link related

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivist_anarchism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

>>136096592
States should have control over moral politics via votes, such as gay/abortion rights. The supreme court should focus on large issues regarding financial laws.

>>136096634
Can't a mother evict her fetus into an artificial womb? They have those now.

>>136091627
You know you're more likely to get cancer from weed, right?

>>136095706

>How do you feel about racemixing? How do you feel about the relentless race mixing propaganda fed to people on a daily basis via advertisements, entertainment, and social media? Because this is what turned me from a libertarian into a Nazi.

I dislike when people shill racial mixing as an ideal whilst pathologizing preferring ones own race. I'm Hispanic so I'm more chill about Asians and Hispanic and Whites mingling but I draw a line at niggers. I dislike that Jews promote it and believe we must rid The Yid if we want a prosperous social order.

>>136096909
Somewhat... after about 28 weeks. But does technology change the ethical question? Is it still an abortion if the fetus is not killed?

Did Abraham Lincoln violated the NAP?

>>136096634
If its after 5 months of pregnancy you can induce labor and save the child. If its earlier I believe you can still induce pregnancy but medical science does not yet have the capability to save the child. You simply induce labor and then attempt to save the child. You don't kill the fetus and remove it as is currently the case. You never HAVE to kill the fetus, you just induce labor and try to save the child.

>>136096830
But the point was that it is murder, and killing a pregnant mother is still considered double murder in US courts. So abortion by that logic should also be a crime under constitutional rights to life for people (which a fetus is, despite Roe v. Wade).

At least that would be my argument if I was still Libertarian. Now I don't care as much because there are still other countries that perform abortion and ancap is like the international anarchy that we already have, with the exception of states that exist in the world being voluntary associations.

>>136091627
i bet its a muslim or a nigger or maybe something worst "a cuck" trying to troll us.

>>136095539

>anarchist ideology openly rejects capitalism

Which is paradoxical since you can't prevent capitalistic exchanges without a coercive hierarchy.

>be in stateless polity

>grow carrots

>neighbour raises chickens

>I need chickens so I pay neighbour in carrots for chickens

What do, Mr. Anarchist?

>>136095869

A sovereign company.

>>136096736
Anarchist thought has no specific economics model to it. Just an absence of authoritarian laws. Almost all economics models can be merged with with Anarcho- as long as they are voluntary. Slavery is a poor match with anarchy.

>>136096232

The nogs. Colonialism was right.

>>136096232
The withes. You need more guns and at least 3 more dogs for that amount of niggers

Democracy - yes or no?

>>136097143

Yes.

>>136097099
If the purpose is to abort life then it's not an abortion if the fetus lives. If the purpose is to abort pregnancy, then yes, it's still abortion.

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>>136097685

Fuck no.

>>136097143
Yes! A valid question. I can argue each side, and still am undecided. Abso-fucking-lutely,and not at all. Depends on if Slavery is/was a violation of property rights (owning your own body) or the NAP.

>>136097685
It is the god that failed.

>>136097839
fair enuf, fuck mob rule

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>>136097525
>roads proceed to be built around the commercial properties of their own inner circle business buildings and put fortified gates and guards next to intersections that may lead to their competitors

>>136097742
If the purpose is to evict, but not kill, however the fetus cannot be saved, isn't the eviction still an aggressive act?

>>136091627
Is there anything we need a government for?

>>136097986
You start off reasonable, but if you are still undecided if fucking slavery is or isn't a violation of the NAP then I dont know what exactly is the point of NAP.

>>136097569
>Anarchist thought has no specific economics model to it
well....not really proudhon himself said that he was against hierarchy and he believed capitalism itself to be a hierarchy
and essentially ALL models of anarchic society based of his ideas whether it be mutualism/collectivism/communism/syndicalism they have ALL been anti-capitalist
"anarcho"-capitalism only really came into existence in the last decade and almost all other older schools of anarchist thought are opposed to it

>>136098488

We must commercialize government. Then its must ethical functions are protecting private property, enforcing contracts, preventing fraud, and managing immigration.

>>136098364
It's aggressive if it was intentional. Aggression means that someone attacks, which implies a malevolent impulse.

>>136098612
Excellent. Good Jab. The point is that it is a violation of both, and if the purpose of the war was to just free the slaves then he did not violate the NAP. But if the purpose was to keep the south from leaving, then he absolutely did. So was the purpose to keep the southern states in the union or free the slaves?

>>136098931
>We must commercialize government.
What do you mean by this?

>Then its must ethical functions are protecting private property, enforcing contracts, preventing fraud, and managing immigration.
So you're saying we need a gov to do these things?

>>136098845
Murray Rothbard was only in the last decade?

>>136098931
I think the functions of the state are better served through voluntary collaboration through the form of non-profits. Corporations already see an advantage to collaboration in the real world, like when developing an Open AI nonprofit, which can be used to create a governing AI across corporate communities.

>>136099011
>So was the purpose to keep the southern states in the union or free the slaves?
I don't have an strong opinion on that to be honest, I'm not even american. I just wanted to see how an ancap would respond. What is your answer to the question? Would you support USA or the CSA?

What is there to stop corporations from ruling or basically creating a new government?

>>136099009
If the act is intentional to kill, it is first degree murder; if it was not intentional to kill but known that the act could likely kill then it is second degree murder; if it was unknown to be lethal, then it is gross negligence and third degree murder (manslaughter). So which rating of murder is abortion now?

>>136099037

Abolish democratic nation-states in favor of competitive corporate city-states.

>>136091627
Roads

Fuck the NAP.
If my neighbour is playing ooga booga rap at 2am and I gotta go to work in four hours I'm going to kick his teeth in.
Unless I'm living next to the Hells Angels in which case probably not.
The idea you can do whatever you like on your property probably sounds great to a ten year old, but if you have a ten tear old that is dying of cancer because there are no laws regulating industrial pollution then not so much.
Basically people are selfish cunts which is both why we market mechanisms work to increase productivity and why we need strong laws and a police force for a civil society.
Your ideal state would devolve into hillbilly vendettas and daily purge nights in half a nanosecond cunt.

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>>136099462

>What is there to stop corporations from ruling or basically creating a new government?

>>136099775
You think that's a good thing?

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>>136099610
is this pasta
pretty good anyway

>>136099610

>Fuck the NAP.
>If my neighbour is playing ooga booga rap at 2am and I gotta go to work in four hours I'm going to kick his teeth in.
>Unless I'm living next to the Hells Angels in which case probably not.

The sound waves entering your property violates NAP.

>The idea you can do whatever you like on your property probably sounds great to a ten year old, but if you have a ten tear old that is dying of cancer because there are no laws regulating industrial pollution then not so much.

Pollution also violates NAP.

>>136099464
If that eviction of the fetus resulted in a terminal abortion, then probably third degree murder. However, it's disputed that something is unknown to be lethal if the doctor knows that there is a slight chance of failure which can result in death of the fetus or the mother, and if the doctor communicates this well, then I think third degree murder should be disqualified from being sentenced.

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>>136099775
What are you even trying to say nigger

>>136092250
You're a fucking idiot.

>>136099860
The difference is Voluntarism in its governing hierarchy.

>>136099333
I highly recommend that you consider the opinion... that event was not unique in the world. I would have supported neither and moved to California (which my great grand father did) The nation had to free the slaves, that was a horrible practice that had to end. War was the absolutely worst way to do it, but the South left almost no other option when they ceded.

>>136099466
>Abolish democratic nation-states in favor of competitive corporate city-states.
Sure, decreasing the size and creating a bit of competition will improve the situation, but why stop there? Why not just get rid of states altogether?

>>136100020

Mynamechef.

>>136100214

To prevent warring insurance firms.

>>136099955
That violates property rights. When you ask them to stop and they punch you, then they have violated the NAP.

>>136096313
and this is the problem with ideologies that refuse to make any exception from principle for the purpose of function

>>136100208
Nice. Since this is a Q&A thread:

Do animals and uncivilized tribes/societies take some part in the NAP? Obviously not fully I'm sure, but is there something related to them in ancap memes?

>>136091848
Fascist detected.
Can't handle speech that you disagree with

>>136098358
>>136096012
Answer anon's goddamn question

>>136100593
Need to cut out for bed, but those are open questions. Can they voluntarily choose (knowledge, educated) or not? -offline

>>136100749
Dip shit. I did. He should have asked who pays for it.

>>136100418
1. Why the fuck would you wait for them to punch you?
2. Who guarantees you have your private property? What stops them from killing you and taking your shit?

Why is it that nine times out of ten OP is a complete faggot? Must be summer

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>>136091627
check and mate

>>136101184

I'm only half faggot.

>>136091627
You believe in the free market, right?
Businesses should be able to do whatever they want with their property, landlords should be able to require all tenants to pay a monthly fee to keep bugs out, etc. Descendants that choose to stay in their parents apartment must keep paying rent, right?

What if I told you the government is just a huge landlord, and you're the kids that stay in your parents apartment and just complain about having to pay for a bug-free place? Seems two-sided to let "non-officials" "tax" their residents, but not want the biggest landlords to do so

>>136101234
I bet it's the bottom half

>>136100069
Great argument.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces#United_States

>>136100323
Why would insurance firms war each other? War is really expensive and bad for the bottom line and would be avoided at all costs... you consider this possibility so likely, you think a state is necessary? Doesn't a state violate NAP?

How do you think a corporate city state would prevent wars between insurance firms in the first place?

>>136092692
>not knowing what snake proof pants are

Go outside faggot

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>>136091627
How is Taking the "moral highground" by staying in the middle on everything better than taking a sided and getting everything you want while watching the people you hate lose everything they want?

>>136091627
Why do libertarians give a shit about taxing the top 1% wealthiest individuals? They almost always, don't have any loyalty to their own people, they don't care whatsoever about rights or moral principles, and they do not give two shits about anything else. They aren't like you. They lack for nothing. How much money they can earn per year, is a dick-measuring competition between them and other ultra rich people, and a means to counteract their own existential Boredom. That same boredom, leads them to support horrendous social policies, that shit on everyone who isn't either dirt poor, or as super wealthy as them. They will absolutely wreck the natural environment cashing after their $peen, find every way to avoid paying taxes themselves, lobby politicians until the entire system is a corrupt paid for farce, and flood the nation with socialists whose both direct gibs, and gibs they will vote for, YOU will be the one paying for, while they the richest, pitch in their paltry ~20/25% not considering tax breaks or loopholes to get out as much of paying even that.
Why do you hate the bourgeoisie, and support the neo-elite and their prole commie henchmen?

>>136091627
So how much money did you get in your trust fund? Also, how soft are your hands from never having worked a day in your life? Also, how's middle school treating you?

>>136101449
I would venture that specifically targeting any tax or income bracket is precisely counter to lol ertarian ideals.

>>136101239

>What if I told you the government is just a huge landlord

Which is why we must privatize government. Any business directly run by its customers will be horribly mismanaged.

>>136101403

>someone steals from me

>my insurance sends private police

>his private police prepare a defense

>war breaks out


A sovereign company would maximize profit by maximizing stability and would set rules for private courts and private enforcers.

>>136101707
Have another read of what you just typed you retarded cunt. You literally don't know what you want, what your position is, or or how to form an independent thought. You are a spastic. Please never breed

>>136101707
What do you mean by "privatize the government"?

>any business ran by its customers. ..
Are you implying democracy is flawed?

>>136101449

>>136101595


There should be no income taxes. Fund everything via a national sales tax.

>>136102134
>national sales tax
Why did ya hate poor people bud

>>136102134
I hope you mean voluntary tax.

>>136101707
Privatized government in the form of non-profits, ideally.

>>136102134
>taxation is theft
>advocates taxes
You're not a libertarian, you're a moron

>>136102047

>What do you mean by "privatize the government"?

Abolish democratic nation-states in favor of competitive corporate city-states.

>Are you implying democracy is flawed?

It's a god that failed.

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>>136091627
"Debate me!"

That sounds like you are trying to force me to debate. YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE NAP!

>>136102250

It's basically a voluntary protection fee since all commerce receives state backing.

>>136102226

What do you mean?

>>136101595
Yes aussie, I know. I was one of them once. This point is one of the reasons I'm not completely anymore. Lolbertarians have a tendency to fall on their own swords. Deifying billionaires is one of them. Billionaires have proven to be unworthy of leading the working man, be he a physical laborer, to a millionaire family business owner. They shit on each and all.
They would bring the western white man to extinction, just to make an extra euro or dollar.
They ARE, the neo-elite monarchy. And ancaps support their feudalism. Some, and I respect it at least, even admit it here. Ancap quickly evolves into a feudalistic system. MY problem with that is major but simple; I am not in any way, willing to accept some Billionare-equivalent Muh'Lord, bringing in a bunch of nigs and mestizos to work for his Shittyass Corp.
Fuck that shit. And you know that NAP? It's gonna be broken by them soon as they feel secure in their power to safely do so. They already shit on everything in the modern current situation, and they would more so then. Well I'm not their Cuck. They can pay more in taxes, be happy to be merely super-rich instead of ultra-rich, and stfu.

>>136102231
What the hell is a voluntary tax

>Definition: Compulsory monetary contribution to the state's revenue, assessed and imposed by a government on the activities, enjoyment, expenditure, income, occupation, privilege, property, etc., of individuals and organizations.

>>136102454
>Governments apply sales taxes uniformly to all consumers based on what they buy. Even though the tax may be uniform (such as 7% sales tax), lower-income consumers are more affected by it.
>For example, imagine two individuals each purchase $100 of clothing per week, and they each pay $7 in tax on their retail purchases. The first individual earns $2,000 per week, making the sales tax rate on her purchase 0.35% of income. In contrast, the other individual earns $320 per week, making her clothing sales tax 2.2% of income. In this case, although the tax is the same rate in both cases, the person with the lower income pays a higher percentage of income, making the tax regressive.

Its a regressive tax
>A regressive tax is a tax that takes a larger percentage of income from low-income earners than from high-income earners. It is in opposition with a progressive tax, which takes a larger percentage from high-income earners. A regressive tax is generally a tax that is applied uniformly to all situations, regardless of the payer.

>>136102272
America already has that somewhat in place
It's cheaper to fund military research as 50 states
States all have plenty of power
Counties have some power
Cities deal with the minute details

As for democracy there really needs to be a basic test to check if you even know what you're voting for. That should solve some problems.

>>136102250
>taxation is theft
That's a meme; most libertarians just believe that the government taxes too much.

>>136102685
Rather, fee.

>>136102949
Stop yanking your own chain. You're not a lolbert, you just want to increase efficiency in the current system. Stop hiding your flag you leaf fuck

>>136102370
And what happens if you don't pay this " voluntary protection fee ", paisan ?

>>136102949
Well in a voluntary tax society not only would the government suffer since it would drastically reduce the budget, but it would also give the wealthy much more control of the government as they would have much more money to spare, while the middle and lower classes would hardly ever spend their income on taxes

>>136103103
Fine. Here's my flag. :^)

But still, I recently converted from libertarianism to AnCap with an emphasis on getting voluntary hierarchies controlling society through the technocratic development of AIs. I'm not a Transhumanist though.

Ideally, I'd probably find myself a niche in AnCapistan in the form of a constitutionally-backed community with private human-based judiciary courts or panels to govern the AIs, which govern me.

>>136103491
So you want to back voluntary participation in society with legislative coercive powers... and that makes sense to you....fuck off dickhead. It's one or the other. You're just a statist in sheeps clothing.

>>136103317
Somebody else has to pick up the slack, or else it all falls apart. "I agree to pay this ohshitIlied" just couldn't happen though, could it? Nah, the people that decided to do that would surely be always right on the border of a protected area, and that way they could be conveniently left to be overrun by invading forces, or excluded when it comes down to responding to crimes in said area.
They're cute, ancaps. They Want to be moral.
But they don't wanna be tenable.

>>136103757
No, a judiciary panel would control the development of the General AI with moral and technical judgements, which would then proceed to govern me.

>>136102001
Have you looked into how disputes might be resolved in the absence of a state? The impression I'm getting from your replies is that you have not, but perhaps I'm wrong. In any case, you seem to have a rather simplistic understanding of how disputes would be handled, judging by your responses.

As for your little hypothetical, which I consider to be extremely unlikely for reasons I'll get into in a minute... As I said in the post you responded to, wars are expensive and they are not good for the bottom line. It's a bit unreasonable for you to assume that wars would break out when there is such a crippling financial cost associated with this course of action...

Why do you think these insurance companies would not have some agreement with each other, detailing what is to be done in the event of a dispute? Perhaps one of them might refuse to stay true to their word? Well, why do you think an insurance company that didn't follow through with their agreements would be able to survive in a competitive environment?

I think it's reasonable to assume that insurance companies would be communicating and would set up arrangements in the event of a dispute between their customers, and would stick to those arrangements because of competitive pressures. So is war likely? I sincerely doubt it.

And you dodged the question about NAP. Doesn't your state violate NAP?

>>136102697
taxation is theft, sometimes.

a big chunk of income from taxes in countries like sweden will end up in jobs created by the government, to people that would otherwise be unemployed. basically taking part of the income from some and giving it to others, not spending anything excessive on infrastructure or research (which would be acceptable).

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>>136103872
Please stop proving that you're not a lolbertarian.. you cede autonomy to a stack of silicon instead of meat. You're beyond salvation cockwad. You're just trading masters

>>136103872
>a judiciary panel would control the development of the General AI with moral and technical judgements
Are you ready to be ruled over by the jew overlords again in this new society? As I said previously, in an voluntary fee/tax society the rich folks will have much more of a say than they already have now. Multinational jew overlords win everytime on this, get ready for them to personally engineer this General AI

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No

I consider debate to be a violation of the NAP

>>136104244
LOK LOOK, AND COME AND SEE THE PRESSIN INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM REEEEEEEEEER

>>136104087
Yeah, I don't want humans to have a significant portion in governing society. AIs can do it because they can be more intelligent and more efficient. With coercion from a human judiciary panel giving the AI morals, it can be more effective than a human at governing too.

>>136103872
Your shit makes absolutely no sense at all except to an absolute imbecile , which you have proven yourself to be beyond all doubt.
Press the muzzle to your temple and squeeze the trigger, anarcho nigger.

>>136104035
>>136102697
>taxation is theft
>That's a meme;
I'm kind of an centrist/centre-right but not even I would argue that taxation isn't theft. It ABSOLUTELY is. The thing is, I personally accept to pay it in reasonable rates to maintain the government as part of the social contract. But it is absolutely a form of theft.

>>136104393
>it's like anon expect the OS to do what he wants
Nigger , you retarded trusting software is ... it's.... remember 95 blue screens? Don't tell me I didn't warn you

>>136104035
Still say taxing the especially wealthy is the way to go. Direct employment via government with no consideration of the source of taxation, has a large degree of broken window fallacy possibility.
The top earners, are going to place their money into the lending system. The sole-proprietorship and working classes are going to spend and invest their money into the economy, leading to proportionally more jobs. Higher labor and price competition would arise, too.
Relative competitive edge for smaller firms through higher taxes for the most affluent makes for a better idea, than blanket taxation of all people through sales taxes ect.
Nothing to eat or buy, if everyone is a government worker.

>>136104405
Centralized government is impossible with humans. Use AI and it becomes more probable. With checks and balances, humans can make sure AI doesn't go rogue like when using my idea for a judiciary human panel. Add the factor that multiple Corporations will make competing AIs, and we'll have a clear winner in a governing AI system.

>>136104578
But without AI, we're more or less confined to an ideal state the size of a city or so, in a confederation like the HRE, and there was loads of bickering in that situation as well.

>>136104826
ideal hierarchy*

>>136104671
Why are you even an ancap then? Whats the anarcho part of that? Just call yourself an technocrat capitalist confederate or something

>>136104940
There's no technocrat flag. Also, I'm anarchist because I don't think humans should have a hand in governing us forcefully.

>>136102047
> Are you implying femocracy is flawed?

Takes no genius to know that it is.

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>>136091627
Its been known for decades Hoppe is right, rationaly speaking.

However how will ANY libertarian get into power in order to being about the contractual society when liberty is mainly a ethnically European thing and you run into the problem of trying to outvote the unlimited inflow of the "300 million brown socialists"?

I've not had a single lobertardian explain a coherent will to power.

>>136105018
But you're for humans winding a clock to govern us essentially? No similarity noticed here?

>>136105259
Unfortunately there's no one else able to kickstart an AI other than humans. Do you have an alternative? Besides, that judiciary panel doesn't have to be forceful, as I described it as 'private' if you didn't read the initial post regarding it.

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>>136105018
>>136104826
>>136104671
>>136104865
for the General AI governing stuff? How does an AI decide on non-objective things? How does it decide if the death penalty should be legal? Homosexuality, abortion? They are concepts not based on efficiency or economics, but morals, and morals can swing either way. The only way for them to legislate on such matters is through human interference. Robots don't grow morals without human emotions, but if they have emotions, whats even the point?

>>136105408
This also implies that others can create their own alternatives to my panel, but I think that's the best way to govern a governor.

>>136105473
I'm not an AI expert, but that's the point of my proposed panel, to appoint technical professionals AND moral professionals to help figure that stuff out. If you noticed in my post describing my ideal situation in AnCapistan, I said I would be a part of a community which has this, but I would in no way force that model upon all of AnCapistan.

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>>136096168
ROOOASTED

>>136105208

We must curb immigration immediately. Luckily, Trump is doing just that.

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>>136091627
>mfw someone tries to defend big government around me
big government is the ultimate form of political cuckoldry

>>136091627
Why do you use fascist symbols? Do you want an ethnostate? Do you believe in equality and democracy? Do you believe some races are inferior while others are superior?

>>136105755
>my proposed panel, to appoint
The panel would be appointed from a public vote inside the society, or randomly between customers/citizens, or straight appointed by the rulers/owners of the corporate city state?

>>136105895
fite me irl buddy

>>136105883
You could stop immigration tomorrow (won't happen, it will take decades) and they will still out breed you.

Try again.

How will you achieve liberty without the ethno state/covenant?

>>136106028
It's derived from the alt-right flag thread. It basically summarizes the alt-right in the form of libertarians, anarcho-capitalists, and fascists and their related ideologies.

>>136105883
>ancap
>wants anti-market big government measures to babysit muh (((borders))))

>>136106028

>Why do you use fascist symbols?

In its Roman usage as an emblem of a civil law society.

>Do you want an ethnostate?

Yes.

>Do you believe in equality and democracy?

No.

>Do you believe some races are inferior while others are superior?

On aggregate: yes.

>>136106232
The response was in question to how to practically implement ancap policies.

>>136106090

Something like Orania is a good idea.

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Much like communism it fails to recognize human nature. A communist wolf pack dies because it focus too much on the pack and the individuals become weak,lazy and they all die.

A Libertarian wolf pack isn't even a pack it's a loose collective of wolves who sometimes work together in which case the pack is disunited and constantly at odds with each-other until a stronger/tougher more united Wolf pack comes along and kills you all.

It also fails to spot how degenacy forms, Libertarians are 100% fine with degenacy as long as it's not on their property in which case moral decay will spread and destroy the society you live in. Most people cannot manage freedom so for the sake of the ones who can, the sheeple must be tightly controlled and guided by a benevolent dictator who can point the masses in the right way.

Capitalism and degeneracy are birds of a feather. 99% of Libertarians are Americans with little understanding of the complex society's of the past and the reasons they fell

>Do you believe some races are inferior while others are superior?
>On aggregate: yes.
What should be done about that? Forced segregation? Extermination? Deportations? Nothing?

>>136106393
As long as those immigrations restrictions are means to a goal, but not the goal itself, sure, I absolutely agree.

>>136091627
Well there is no specific topic, so ill just say what I blelieve in and you can agree or disagree. I believe in fascism 1 It eliminates the time process democracy 2 It takes power from incompetent morons (often most of the general public) and puts it in a competent government.

>>136106837
>and puts it in a competent government.
examples?

>>136106958
Germanys government during nazi rule.

>>136107017
You mean the one that led to Krautland getting wrecked ?
Swedes,good grief.

>>136107359
You mean the government did that or the enemies of Germany?

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>>136107017
Facism made Hitler be the absolute decision maker on areas where he should never have put his finger on, like the military, technology, and production. With no checks and balances, he destroyed the country by overexpanding its borders, triggering a war, meddling with individual divisions in a theather of war, making its scientists pursue garbage weapons like the V2 that cost more than the fucking Manhattan Project, ignoring professional generals, forcing Germany production to rely on a goddamn slave labor industry, etc. Meanwhile, the incompetent liberal and communist governments catched up pretty quickly despite Germany having mobilized to a war economy much earlier

>>136107523
Diplomacy doctrines are part of a government, no checks and balances in facism just make it even more vulnerable to madmen

>>136107523
To be honest, and despite the whole board's obsession with them, as well my own opinion going a little fash is sort of needed right now in the west considering all the problems...
they did sort of bring a lot of hell on themselves what with the whole declaring war on all the earth thing.
Mighta, um, took the Sudetenland and calmed their tits for a decade there. Yeah. Opened the borders up for German refugees from Poland.

>>136107736
He still had ministers do things for him, he didn't have 100% control. He could demand it. He did help the industries when he basically got rid of all unemployment.

Hitler never wanted ww2. He even said that the English and German should live racially and culturally.

>>136092360
It really has

>>136092892
you'll fit right in my man

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>>136091627
I'm a libertarian too and "How I found freedom in an unfree world" is kind of like our "Mein Kampf

"https://www.mgtow.com/content/books/PDF/How%20I%20Found%20Freedom%20in%20an%20Unfree%20World.pdf

>>136108569
So me in kampf is kinda how I found freedom in a unfree world?

>>136108639
So my*

>>136091627
Why have you posted an ancap flag with snek embracing a literal faggot?

>>136108639
most definitely. It takes a huge weight off your shoulders. A weight that has been implemented by the jews.

>>136108639
So mein kampf is kinda like how I found freedom in a unfree world.

>>136106090
What's wrong with "out breeding"?
I'm honestly interested in an explanation.
I understand the culture of the parent has some influence on the child, but I have to disagree with what you seem to be implying: that the bad qualities for the parents, and the damage they supposedly cause to society will be somehow inherited by their children. Can you explain how, why and to what extent you believe that's the case?

>>136101300
God I love this country

>>136101707
>privatise government,
How exactly is this any different to making private enterprise public?

>>136108569
if everyone read this book, there would no longer be republican or democrat but libertarians. The jews don't want common men to be based as fuck.

>>136108243
>He still had ministers do things for him
He had ministers to be quickly replaced when they refused to follow his commands. Like in 1940, when despite his subordinates informing him of the impossibility of an naval invasion of Britain, he dragged the war machine for months in preparation for it. Admiral Raeder and General von Rundstedt, despite being the commanders of land and ir forces in the theatre, their opinions meant fuck all. What about Goring in command of the Luftwaffe just because he was one of his long time party supporters? Goring was probably the most corrupt person in the entire country. During Battle of Britain aftermath/Sealion preparations Goring was easily convinced by Hitler to stop bombing airfilds and concentrate on cities just because Hitler decided out of the blue, despite concerns by others Luftwaffe generals. Even Albert Speer, he had to hide some his production policies from Hitler so that the Fuhrer didnt fuck up even more. Helping his industries? Hitler opened strategic bombing warfare to a new level when he bombed English cities, opening his own industrial centers to be fucking raped by the RAF Bomber Command and the 8th US Air Force.

>got rid of all unemployment.
As soviet union did with its forced labour camps. Having literally 0% unemployment isn't a good thing, you know.

>Hitler never wanted ww2
The same way Saddam never wanted a Gulf War. He did everything to make it happen. You dont wage war and declare it "a war of extermination" without the world coming down on you.

>>136108817

>browse /pol/
>see someone without any idea of genetics.

Keep lurking shill

>>136108817
>that the bad qualities for the parents, and the damage they supposedly cause to society will be somehow inherited by their children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3S35wGgT8

Watch this.
The biggest redpill you will ever have

>>136109367
If you believe behavior, ideology and political views are a genetic trait you have just answered my question.

>>136092651
What are your thoughts on how to solve the current reproducibility crisis in various fields of scientific research?

>>136109146
>He had ministers to be quickly replaced when they refused to follow his commands
As should be, a leader is nothing when he's powerless
>Like in 1940, when despite his subordinates informing him of the impossibility of an naval invasion of Britain, he dragged the war machine for months in preparation for it.
It was never about invading Briton it was about bombing it into submission and showing them they had no hope of invading them back.
> Admiral Raeder and General von Rundstedt, despite being the commanders of land and air forces in the theatre, their opinions meant fuck all.
Wrong their opinions did mean stuff, If Hitler fully trusted some of this generals Paris would never of fallen. Throughout the whole war he took informed opinions from many different sources
>As soviet union did with its forced labour camps. Having literally 0% unemployment isn't a good thing, you know.
It is, since then all men will know work. And letting your own countrymen starve to death is Jewish as fuck. Ancient Goddam Rome gave out free grain to the poor and ran free water/sewers and games to them.
>The same way Saddam never wanted a Gulf War. He did everything to make it happen. You dont wage war and declare it "a war of extermination" without the world coming down on you.
Hitler was actually wronged the Allies wanted to stop Fascism since it threatened international profits and Poland was pushed on by the """""Support"""" of the allies so it took an aggressive stance to a 90% German city wanting to be German again. You sound like someone who hasn't read much on Fascism on the events leading up to the war. Like how Poland and Hungary both took land of the Czechs

>>136109146
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Cabinet
Most of the changes I find doesn't specifie that it was cuased because of hitler.
https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer
Here I doesn't say that he was hiding them.

Yeah the reds got rid of unemployment through forced labor and the Germans created jobs. Pick a favorite.

Why was it an extermination war, he wanted gdanzig. If the pols gave him it he would have no reason to declare war.

>>136109528
Thanks! That's really interesting.
I guess genetics have more influence on behavior than I thought. However, I still think most of the complains that I hear about immigrants are more related to culture than to the traits identified in his research. I'm still not convinced those traits come from genetics. I'll look deeper into the subject in the morning.

>>136110688
Since you actually watched it, I'll give you another one. This one is a bit longer though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9FGHtfnYWY

To save time, skip to 12:00 and watch to 33:00

>>136109919
>As should be, a leader is nothing when he's powerless
Its almost like it isn't a black and white issue. You don't need to micromanage things to have power, you delegate to competent personnel, as the Allied staff did.
>It was never about invading Briton it was about bombing it into submission and showing them they had no hope of invading them back.
Which is also stupid, considering germany was started using light and medium bombers in a area bombardment role, that proved to be abysmal in results, only resulting in Churchill raising british morale in response to those mediocre bombings.

>Wrong their opinions did mean stuff, If Hitler fully trusted some of this generals Paris would never of fallen.
Tell me more about that

>It is, since then all men will know work.
3% and 5% are generally the most healthy unemployment levels, due frictional and structural unemployment.

>since it threatened international profits
He should have done it more subtly, and focused some decades on stability, not annexing every single country next to your own. USSR managed a little on that strategy

>>136110150
>Why was it an extermination war
>(...) Rundstedt left Paris to set up Army Group South's headquarters in Breslau. On the way he attended a conference in Berlin at which Hitler addressed senior officers. He made it clear that the ordinary rules of warfare would not apply to the Russian campaign. "This is a war of extermination," he told them. "We do not wage war to preserve the enemy."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>The Generalplan Ost proposal offered various percentages of the conquered or colonized people who were targeted for removal and physical destruction; the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would become German. In ten years' time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines of East-Central Europe.

>>136091627
You're belief in freedom is an illusion. You're not free at all. Therefore, your beliefs are bullshit. The end.

>>136110912
>Its almost like it isn't a black and white issue. You don't need to micromanage things to have power, you delegate to competent personnel, as the Allied staff did.
That's exactly what he did but unlike in modern society the corrupt can be booted from their positions. Democracy is a popularity contest backed by the (((Media))) And (((Banks))) not a meritocracy.
>Which is also stupid, considering Germany was started using light and medium bombers in a area bombardment role, that proved to be abysmal in results, only resulting in Churchill raising british morale in response to those mediocre bombings.
Well they can't exactly just sit there and let the British bomb them can they
>Tell me more about that
Hitler wanted to attack though the Ardennes when his other generals wanted to go though the low countries. Refusing to evacuate the French harbours after the battle of Normandy - made it difficult for the allies to supply therir troops, and stopped the allied offensive in the fall of 1944. , and Hitler was correct in assuming that he can focus his troops against Poland and that the western allies will not be able to launch an offensive in time.
>3% and 5% are generally the most healthy unemployment levels, due frictional and structural unemployment.
If your not working your not supporting the community. Not working hurts your spirits and makes you weak, anyway not 100% of that was simple simple hard labour they created more jobs for the future.
>He should have done it more subtly, and focused some decades on stability, not annexing every single country next to your own. USSR managed a little on that strategy
Germany only diplmaitclly took Austria, the Czecs then gave them a free state after the German majority in areas wanted to rejoin Germany after ww1 since it was all under German control and Danzig was German as hell. Also the Germans in these areas were facing discrimination and increasingly violent acts.

All the land was previous German land

>>136110912
>Why was it an extermination war
>(...) Rundstedt left Paris to set up Army Group South's headquarters in Breslau. On the way he attended a conference in Berlin at which Hitler addressed senior officers. He made it clear that the ordinary rules of warfare would not apply to the Russian campaign. "This is a war of extermination," he told them. "We do not wage war to preserve the enemy."

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>The Generalplan Ost proposal offered various percentages of the conquered or colonized people who were targeted for removal and physical destruction; the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would become German. In ten years' time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines of East-Central Europe.

Nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945. Thus, no complete set of originals have ever been found after the war, among the documents stored in German archives. Apart from Ehlich's testimony, there are several documents which refer to this plan or are supplements to it. Although no copies of the actual full proposal have survived, most of the plan's essential elements have been reconstructed from related memos, abstracts and other documents.

Quite literally made up propaganda after the war war. So all the evidence is from tortured Hindenburg trial prisoners, Jewish interns and half scrapped together documents along with human meat sausages human lamps, fat made from Jewish fat and the Holocauster carts

>>136110688
I dunno if you managed to watch that one, but I can't lurk this thread anymore so I'll give you the last one I have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GexZF5VIMU

All three of these videos I'm linking you are actual scientists, all very highly respected leaders in their field. This one in particular was the Chairman of the Center of Cognitive Neuroscience at MIT

>>136112057
>unlike in modern society the corrupt can be booted from their positions
Göring? Brauchitsch? Guderian? Mackensen? von Leeb? etc

>Well they can't exactly just sit there and let the British bomb them can they
Not at this point. But there were no allied bombing of german territory (let alone an invasion) before Germany decided to invade France and the Low Countries. Nazis like to argue that Hitler never wanted to enter a war with them, so invading them put Germany on a course that couldnt be changed from that time on, and the only option onwards would be a full war.

>Not working hurts your spirits and makes you weak
Going for the rules of the market and economics make your economy stronger. Going against the market and virtually creating jobs for the sake of it hurts more than any benefit of a "hurt spirit" or "weak" or whatever the fuck that means

>Czecs then gave them a free state
"gave" may be a strech, bud, come on. The "agreements" already had alerted much of the world on the intentions of germany. The pressure from some of the british to go to war right there should already be an alert to Hitler regarding future plans. There may be much better ways to incorporate a shithole polish city than straight invading the entire country with the help of soviets. Regardless of his motives, I hope you understand that Brits and French entering to war wasn't that much of an unreasonable thing to do.

>>136097569
Everything ever historically considered anarchist was heavily critical of capitalism as one of the power structures which creates unjust authority. You're a voluntarist my dude.

>>136106028
>Do you want an ethnostate?

We want the ability to form private ethostates.

>Do you believe in equality and democracy?

No and no

>Do you believe some races are inferior while others are superior?

Certainly. IQ based: Jews > Chinks > Whites > Latinos > Moors > Blacks > Abbos

http://www.unz.org/Pub/RothbardRockwellReport-1994dec-00001

>>136112236
>"most of the plan's essential elements have been reconstructed from related memos, abstracts and other documents."

>literally made up propaganda
The propaganda was actually the other way around after the war. NATO wanted a remilitarization of West Germany to antagonize the Iron Curtain military buildups and relied on morale boosting strategies such as the "Clean Wehrmacht" alongside working with former german generals, with their washed autobiographies hoping to erase some of that dark period from the minds of the younger german generation at the time. Not that you think that propaganda is bad, right? Hitler loved them.

>Hindenburg trial
Nuremberg.

>>136099955
you talking bullshit makes my brain hurt which violates NAP, prepare to be killed.

i have a question: how would you stop me or anyone else from creating government, police, army, etc.? I just could expand my new country as long as it would be powerful enough to conquer everyone else by force. Is there anything you can do to prevent it?

>>136113424
>malta
Dude, you're pretty much an ethnostate already, why do you give a fuck

>>136113128
>unlike in modern society the corrupt can be booted from their positions
None of these seem outright corrupt and in anycase a few of them were removed from duty, and if your thinking of the """corrupt""" army officers it literally wasn't corruption and more Hitler giving out under the table tax breaks to higher up ranked members. Anyway it's not like the Allied generals weren't fighting each-other for renown and glory and passing off bribes from Jewish officials to their politicians back in Washington and London.
>Not at this point. But there were no allied bombing of german territory (let alone an invasion) before Germany decided to invade France and the Low Countries. Nazis like to argue that Hitler never wanted to enter a war with them, so invading them put Germany on a course that couldnt be changed from that time on, and the only option onwards would be a full war.
Lets put it this way, if America lost a war to China and had Texas given to Mexico, and the Texans wanted to rejoin, America is in the right not Mexico. It was the allies putting pressure on the Germans and Italians/Spanish for upsetting the international status quo of Bankers and traders.
>Going for the rules of the market and economics make your economy stronger. Going against the market and virtually creating jobs for the sake of it hurts more than any benefit of a "hurt spirit" or "weak" or whatever the fuck that means
Not everything good for the markets is good for the nation. You have to remember women were mostly put back into the house and child raising. Free markets want women working and putting children into daycare since more gdp must mean better right?

>>136091627
delet this, child

>>136096128
she can kill the baby for violating her nap, but. She has to kill herself for violating his nap.

>>136091627
I believe libertarians are a meme, but that's just me.
What is your take on dollar strength?
Good / bad?
I assume you are american and under 25?

>>136113128
>"gave" may be a strech, bud, come on. The "agreements" already had alerted much of the world on the intentions of germany. The pressure from some of the british to go to war right there should already be an alert to Hitler regarding future plans. There may be much better ways to incorporate a shithole polish city than straight invading the entire country with the help of soviets. Regardless of his motives, I hope you understand that Brits and French entering to war wasn't that much of an unreasonable thing to do.
Germany was just reclaiming territory it owned. Briton quite literally owned 23.84% of the world all to it's self. Even Belgium the non country had colonies many times it's size. Germany had it's colonies stolen which Hitler was fine with if he could at-least reclaim his rightful German European lands

>The propaganda was actually the other way around after the war. NATO wanted a remilitarization of West Germany to antagonize the Iron Curtain military buildups and relied on morale boosting strategies such as the "Clean Wehrmacht" alongside working with former german generals, with their washed autobiographies hoping to erase some of that dark period from the minds of the younger german generation at the time. Not that you think that propaganda is bad, right? Hitler loved them.
Much of this was a part effort, anything Nazi was literally the Devil and any further Nazi education had to be destroyed so fake Holocaust and general plan ost were faked
>Not that you think that propaganda is bad, right? Hitler loved them.
Everyone does propaganda. You think the Allies and the West didn't make up bullshit about the Soviets as well. "Reds under the bed" amirght I'm sure they didn't have to make up too much about the famines but they obviously did to an extent. There is no such thing as true information, since everyone has their own point of view.
>Nuremberg.
I got the name mixed up with the Hindenburg line, a mishap of studying too much.

>>136114208
> it's not like the Allied generals weren't fighting each-other for renown and glory and passing off bribes from Jewish officials to their politicians back in Washington and London.
I don't know? Were they?

> the allies putting pressure on the Germans and Italians/Spanish
What pressure is that exactly? Was it bigger than the pressures and sanctions against the Soviet Union during the Cold War? The Soviets played well and managed to carve an empire for some time instead of going full autismo and launching themselves directly at a stronger force. Should East Germany and the Eastern Block fully invaded West Germany during the Cold War to regain its lost territories? On a principle, maybe. But pragmatically? Fuck no. Going for a more dove foreign policy was worth it for Franco Spain, Pinochet Chile,Salazar Portugal, etc, the way it should have happened with Hitler pre-1940.

>Not everything good for the markets is good for the nation.
>since more gdp must mean better right?
Well i agree. Not necessarily, but I was speaking on matters of unemployment. The free market isnt a god like retarded ancaps and libertarians think, but its not a bad thing either, it can create some powerful industry base before a war, being a good thing overall, provided you put some reasonable regulations on the jews that operate on it.

Fetus' must be destroyed. They are violating the NAP.

>Another important question is whether an unwelcome fetus should be considered to be an unauthorized trespasser in its mother's body.[27] The non-aggression principle does not protect trespassers from the owners of the property on which they are trespassing.[28]
>It can also be argued that unwelcome fetuses are themselves committing aggression against their mothers,
>by taking materials (oxygen, water, nutrients) from her bloodstream, by injecting toxic metabolic end-products (carbon dioxide and creatinine) into her bloodstream, and by preparing to subject her to major medical/surgical trauma in the form of full-term labor and delivery.

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>>136114903
>I don't know? Were they?
yes they were just look at Patton and Montgomery. Such as the race to capture Messinia and Patton realized Jews had vast control of the media and the government and regretted fighting Germany.

http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-general-george-s-pattons-race-to-capture-messina.htm

The Allied generals are full of things like this. Many great men were shafted to lower ranks as they threatened those higher up

>What pressure is that exactly? Was it bigger than the pressures and sanctions against the Soviet Union during the Cold War?
Just about if not more. Including Germany not even being allowed to rearm or even use it's own coal from certain places in it's own borders it had to buy it back or buy from elsewhere.
>Well i agree. Not necessarily, but I was speaking on matters of unemployment. The free market isnt a god like retarded ancaps and libertarians think, but its not a bad thing either, it can create some powerful industry base before a war, being a good thing overall, provided you put some reasonable regulations on the jews that operate on it.
That's quite literally what natsoc is a mostly free market with some regulations and proper workers rights without going retard like Marxists do. Since Hitler had a complete opposite idea of what "Socialism" meant to him.

>>136114742
>Germany was just reclaiming territory it owned.
Again, just going back to my earlier point about not going full autismo and ruining everything because of some shithole elsewhere. The world isn't fair, Germany was treated unfairly after WW1, but you have to play with the cards you are dealt with. They may be right on principle, but was it worth it going REEEE on Danzig just after Britain and France became more and more prone to war?

>Much of this was a part effort, anything Nazi was literally the Devil
I agree with that. Its think it may be retard at some times.

>fake Holocaust and general plan ost
I could get into that, but I dont think I'm the person to discuss the Holocaust in an super informed way

>Everyone does propaganda.
Sure, I'm not gonna defend Allied or Soviet propaganda here. But I would argue that western media has quite an edge on the "free" aspects of information than nazi germany or the USSR. You may think that "free" press doesnt mean much at the grand scale of things, but to each his own.

>>136114742
>rightful German European lands
Complete and utter bullshit. Why germs are such an autists? Since year 960 you try to steal these lands from us and deny access to sea, just fuck off already.

>>136115361
Well that's why war was started. They could of won the war, but anyway the Soviets were planning to invade Western Europe and every second after Stalin's purges the Soviets got stronger and the West was weakened. With or without the Nazi's there. But that brings in another huge bag of eggs
>>136115387
Poland was dead in 1795. You didn't exist for the next few hundred years. may as well bring back Ottoman controlled Balkans and Russia owning Finland if you wanna pull that bullshit.

>>136115303
Sure, looking today, I think Patton was probably right.

>Germany not even being allowed to rearm
Eh, they kinda had their reasons. I'm sure Germany would do the same if they had an edge over France in WW1. I bet in an post- WW2 world, a victor Germany would definitely do even worse. Denmark was probably the one that had the luckiest occupation.

>>136115699
>Soviets were planning to invade Western Europe
On the basis of Stalin rhetoric, they were. But not in 1939. Or 1941. I read somewhere that the italian intelligence had theories about an invasion happening in 1944. Maybe it should have been better to wait and fight alongside the Allies.

>>136115859
We're talking 100,000 troops for a country of millions of poor and starving people or a Navy or air force of any-kind if I remember correctly. They had to hire "Semi-legal" para-military groups who were practically Right wing death squads to put down a hundreds of thousands of communists in the uprising of Bavaria which wished to hand power to the Soviets. Funny enough 100% coordinated by Jewish Communists

>>136116261
>We're talking 100,000 troops for a country of millions of poor and starving people
Sure, that was retarded, I just said that I understood their reasoning, since the Great War was quite the bloody conflict. Thankfully after WW2 they went the other way around with regards to letting Germany disarmed and without assistance against communism in western germany.

>>136115699
>germs and thier autism, every conflict has it's own time scales. Do not like it? Try to steal it from us again you filthy barbarian.

Heil, Pinochet
phyisically remove the state, free market now

>>136116695
>Try to steal it from us again you filthy barbarian.
No need too the Russians will. Poland has always been little more then a boxing ring for Germany and Russia

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>>136116819
Yeah what a great anarchist Pinochet was amrite

nothing like the state violating the NAP

>>136102250

Libertarian is a bit of a vague term, the 3 big groups are:

>Liberteen
Advocates open borders, drugs, abortion, welfare, etc
Requires substancial/heavy taxes

>Minarchist
Reduce government to just military, law & police (maybe basic infrastructure, but that is another discussion)
Control immigration
Requires small taxes (i.e Sales tax only)

>Ancap
Eliminate Government, privatize everything let insurance companies take care of policing
No taxes

Any Questions?

>>136116974
Poland actually seems the most likely place to put your ideology to use right now

>>136117034
>no border controls and anti degeneracy squads on ancapistan
Lel! What a cucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>136117011
The NAP doesn't come into affect untill Ancap is established

>>136117189
You people are like communists

i thought this was gonna be one of those threads where the australian guy just says "not an argument" to everyone who posts

>>136117248
We aren't; You just can't imagine a world where you live in a civilized society that gives you the freedom to do almost anything

>>136117034
Liberteen- just statist shit with a snazzy tshirt
Monarchist- sounds like a delusional cunt pretending to that small government is possible
Ancap - you realise that faggotd like you die in first week?

Nap is a pipe dream, ancap is the raving of delusional children, and youre a faggot

>Minarchist here

The only Ancap system that is somewhat workable is Hoppe's vision of Ancap but even that is bit of wishful thinking as i see it.

Requires a society with good conservative cultural practices and high IQ.

>>136117383
I can't because I live on it already, mane.

What am I missing compared to ancapistan

>>136117490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-6aYk0AS18

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>>136117388
Here, have a free ride

>>136117490
lets say you run a business
and a nigger walks in
you say "get out nigger"
then you go to jail

>>136117546
Man, this government stopping everyone from building houses, driving, fishing, buying guns, marrying, leaving the country, working, etc

HOLY SHIT NOW I HATE THE GOVERNMENT
LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX IT
ABOLISH IT

>>136117558
Don't even try to give me shit when you need a licence to butter a fucking crumpet. Faglord

>>136091848
Stop violating the NAP

>>136117596
lets say you run a business
and a nigger walks in
you say "get out nigger"
then his insurance company kills you

>>136117707
Why should they be allowed to do something and then punish everyone else that does it?

>>136117782
>I have to make up stuff to justify an existence where you go to jail for standing up to niggers
see you tomorrow cucky boi

>>136117832
s o c i a l

c o n t r a c t

social contract > NAP

>punish everyone else that does it?
how much are they being punished, really

>>136091627
Libertarianism doesn't work. See: the Articles of Confederation.

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>>136117934
>I have to make up an entire ideology and abolish government to justify standing up to niggers
might as well go natsoc, buddy. at least you keep your government check

>>136117939
ah yes, the only contract in existence that doesnt require acknowledgement of any kind, the terms are immutable for your side but completely arbitrary for the other side
you go to jail for breaking your side of the contract, they change the definition of breaking a contract when they break their side of the contract
there is an even older social contract not to steal, but for some reason THIS social contract is more valid
and you wonder why people invented un-stealable bitcoin

>>136117939
The whole point is that the government is illegitimate, It doesnt represent the people at all/ Your rights end where your neighbors feelings begin under a state

>>136118154
>>136118234
Yeah, its not perfect, but this society thing seems to be working pretty well. I dont care much about getting a license to drive, etc. Seems better than the alternatives. Despite this board circlejerk, western civilization has never been better. I just wanna play my vidya and shitpost here.

>bitcoin
are you guys still falling for the meme
might as well buy muh gold

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>>136091627
Me: I have ownership of this volcanoe, give me resources every month or i will drop a bomb into the volcanoe
town: please don't, we will pay.

I am violating the NAP; and you cannot stop me because there is no government.

>>136100099
>What is republicanism with democratic elections.
I swear all of you ancap retards hate the idea that the people have anything to do with choosing who rules them. It's not involuntary ffs.