What does pol think of a Universal Basic Income?

>>136032992
Where are you going to get the money for that?

Its good to prevent idiots from having 8 kids, its bad because now that I have a house and no mortgage I would quit my job tomorrow if I was guaranteed 250$ a week.

>>136033687
>Where are you going to get the money for that?

Because state economies are different than say, a personal budget, the idea is that as the job market shrinks(and automation makes it impossible to employ 70%+ of the workforce), you make it so that everyone in the country gets enough to cover a base level of survival(food, rent, etc.), but you give it out as money so people can choose what to spend it on.

Statistically it works better than just having the government directly give you things, since it allows budgets to be flexible. Since money hasn't been tied to anything real for almost a century there's no real reason not too, since most math behind UBI is sound

>>136034021
How the hell will it prevent idiots from having kids? And why would you want to get something for nothing. It feels good to earn what you get. Basic income would make the world more degenerate commie scum

>>136034021
>its bad because now that I have a house and no mortgage I would quit my job tomorrow if I was guaranteed 250$ a week.
TBF unless you're a medical doctor or someone with a society-critical job that'd be perfectly fine.


I personally prefer just lowering the standard work week to 20-30 hours, while enforcing higher pay rates

>>136032992
Please tell me why the upper class would prop up a useless lowerclass with free gibs every year. Why would they not just use their automation to cull you? Because muh humanties? Lol k.

>>136032992
Leechers' paradise

Universal basic income will become a reality unless we're going to turn to genocide, which is basically never going to happen. As robotics and technology will improve, there will be highly repetitive jobs that used to be cheaper with human labor that are now cheaper to automate. Millions will lose jobs and have no skills worth value to society that are worth paying a salary for.

At that point, either
1) genocide has to happen
2) nothing is done, then people start rioting and stealing as they have nothing of their own
3) universal basic income is provided and they can live, if not the most lavish lifestyle.

>>136034360
if people WANT to have kids then nothing you can do to stop them unless you are going to forcibly sterilize people (not socially acceptable). however, if you provide them a stipend in the form of universal basic income, then they don't have to have kids to get government handouts.

I don't think UBI will solve the problem of having kids for benefits because under UBI you're almost surely going to receive a larger portion to support dependent minor children.

automation is doing to replace all jobs eventualy, this makes things cheaper to make, but they dont lower the pric. UBI or some other money redistrobution is going to be required in order to prevent mass starvtion and homelessness and eventual revolution, UBI or similar will get here sooner or later. best to work out the kinks now before we slap it together last min

>>136034476

So that the lower classes don't revolt and kill the upper classes because of starvation since there will be no jobs...........they really have no choice......it's either UBI or genocide and i don't see genocide happening.

>>136032992
UBI is extremely retarded and only silicon valley billionaires think it is a good idea. It essentially requires you to pull money out of thin air. It's like the most retarded form of welfare possible since you give it to everyone and not just the people in need.

>>136035862

What do you think people will do when there are no jobs and they begin starving?????

>>136032992
It's a horrible idea that megacorps are memeing so they can pay lower wages to more people who will then have just enough money to by McWidgets at Walmart. The idea is a return to Feudalism where the poor are serfs and the middle class are peasants.

Because the next revolution in technology is actual small c communism where the workers seize the means of production by owning maker machines and trade amongst themselves via ebay/etsy, negating the need for most manufacturers.

>>136032992
let's give people free shit for merely existing
what could possibly go wrong

>>136036099

Once again how do you solve the problem of 70%+ of the population not having jobs????

>>136036231
It's either that or mass starvation. How do you people not see this? You think people who are starving wont bring down all of society with them?

>>136032992
It is ultimately necessary in the long run unless you are okay living in a society where an underclass is financially supported to the bare minimum forcing them to be stuck in perpetual poverty because 99.9% of jobs we have now no longer exist, letting people starve is deemed unethical, and just giving the poor money directly is seen as promoting laziness.

What I would personally suggest is that the country have a very small basic income for everyone over the age of 18, doesn't even need to be liveable, just make it like $5k per year to start. Over time as automation increases to the point where people are driven out of the workforce it can be increased until it is enough to live modestly on for a married couple (so 15-20k per year), with work being optional for people who want to live more fulfilling lives or just earn more money.

You don't need ubi to prevent starvation under automation

>>136032992
Because of everyone gets paid the same to do different jobs, nobody will become a doctor or engineer or plumber work welder. There's no motivation to do hard jobs when you can make what a surgeon makes flipping burgers.

its inevitable but ideally people would want to live in a normal world and not partake in this high tech automation as a society but i'm not naive to think the world currently will do that, they'll go right in and take basic income accepting automation.

>>136036541

Oh so you just feed millions of homeless people? Genius plan guy from a shit tier country, yeah they'll just eat bread all day and die because non of them have a house. Sure that's gonna work

>>136036727

You are so retarded it's amusing. Your argument is perfectly valid right now but it will be obsolete in two decades when all of those jobs are being done by human level AI robots.

>>136035970
That question lifts the stone out of a very sad practice currently in America.
Those useless to the "society" simply die, and deserve to, because what good are they?

>>136036273
>70% unemployment
Meme.
Strawman.
When is this going to happen? Fake news. Like I said, this boogie man is being promoted by (((Globalists))) to maintain power.

When will this 70% unemployed happen? Because right now I think unemployment in the US is less than 5%.

>>136037010

I don't think millions will just die without a massive revolution. The elites know this and this is why they are pushing the idea.

>>136032992
>infinite consumption
no thanks

>>136032992
How about actually fight automation? What is the reason we should have it if such a huge chunk of a workforce is going to be out of work? Save some money? Make a better quota? Please. This is one of those things where the government needs to interfere with business for the benefit of society.

>>136036963
>AI
Another meme. We can't even get a self driving car. Humans are going nowhere.

>>136032992
sage

>>136032992
>I really can't see how anyone can be against this since automation will destroy most jobs.

And automation makes new jobs.
There will always be need fir some human interaction.
Why would some people work so that others dont?

Like any form of socialised welfare state, it would only be possible in a white ethnostate.

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It's designed to enslave those who aren't already enslaved by welfare.

Nothing more....

>>136037339

So you want people working repetitive useless jobs when they can just as easily be done by machines? You do realize you are arguing for slavery right?

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>>136032992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDkHLPanjkQ

>>136037672

How is not working enslavement? Is working a factory job freedom then? So when i travel and don't have to worry about making money I'm a slave????

>>136037892
welfare is dependency on the state which means they can force you to do whatever they want or they cut off welfare.

>>136037339
Automation (dramatically increasing productivity) is the ONLY conceivable way out of the giant piles of debt that most countries are sitting on. UBI has to be implemented because producers (the supply side) need customers (the demand side). It sounds crazy but essentially the rich will be paying the poor to "tell" them what to make.

>>136032992
Who will pay for it?
Why should anyone work when they get over 1k for doing nothing?
You are basically forcing the Working Class to accept gigantic amounts of Tax Increase to pay those who dont want to work, tuto completto.
Disgusting tbquitehonest.

>>136037983

Or we can make it a human right. Write it into the constitution and there you go government loses all power to take it away from you. Unless you go to jail then you're fucked.

>>136037892

Only good boys loyal to the government and participate in the Dissenter Suppression Program get the fat UBI's and live content.

You will get about enough to rent a cuck shed.

>>136038036

Your argument is competently valid now. It won't be when there is no middle class since all the jobs are gone............

>>136038214
im afraid that didnt work so well for venezuela so nah.

>>136032992
Never give someone something for free. Just see whats its done to our country.

>>136035833
So you are
>pay is or we will kill you
Okay, so you tell them this. They decide to kill you in retaliation. And they will have the automated killbots. GG

>>136037410
>technology pessimist
How can anyone hold such an inane view? What makes you believe that technology won't keep going?

>>136038284

Once again you write it into the constitution as a human right and problem solved.

>>136038455
Pretty sure than to attempt to purge all unemployed people would be more expensive than just paying them a small salary.

>>136038347

Venezuela does not have human level intelligence machines............im talking about a time in the next 20 years..........

>>136037710
>Get paid
>Slavery
You can argue the merits of being a wagecuck or not, but having a huge amount of the workforce unemployed for monetary gains only to be kept afloat by the bare minimum seems ridiculous.

It's inevitable and it's already being tested over here.
Without it people will riot and society will collapse due to mass starvation.
Also this way you'll get at least some consumption from the jobless masses when you pay them.
It's like a last ditch effort of capitalism to keep on feeding itself.
But it's not going to come free for people.
Governments without a doubt are going to force people to "volunteer" certain amount of hours a week in some jobs, like taking care of the elderly and other stuff that's too expensive to automate.
Participate and you get the full UBI, don't participate and it's going to get cut.
We have a similar system in place when it comes to seeking jobs and the amount of welfare you get.
If you don't participate in the job centers programs, you're going to lose 40% of your social security.

The way I see it working out is like this.
It's going to be a system that lets people scrape by the very bare minimum, forces them to live in tiny cramped homes so they can afford living expenses and the gov is going to force people into borderline slave labor.
On the brighter side, it allows for part time work without the interference of this bureaucratic mess of a system that we currently have in place, which practically prevents you from making any money when you're on welfare.
So if you have the ability to work part time, it's going to be great. No work on the side to go with it and it's going to suck ass for you.

>>136034148
>base level of survival
libshits are know for being unable to determine what that is

remember when some burger state passed a law preventing niggers from buying snacks with food stamps and the libs lost their shit?

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>MFW I'll never live in a time like in Star Trek where working isn't for surviving and money/stuff but for personal fulfillment and enjoyment

>>136038670
still no.

those machines need maintenance and we need to encourage people to learn how to maintain and improve them.

not to mention there are still TONS of things that machines cant do, its better if labor moves elsewhere, we kick out illegals, close up borders.

>>136032992
How do you know people won't end up like drunken Indians or hood negros? Make people do at least 4 hours of community work during the work week. Like picking up litter, or fixing potholes.

>>136038686
Seems even more ridiculous to not just use the robots though.

>>136038551

Sure, right after we ban lobbying and introduce term limits for the senate (aka never gonna happen)

>>136038036
The elites and mega corporations of the world will be taxed at much higher rates in return for increasing economic output with technology. The "working class" is increasingly less needed in the modern economy. In America over 1/3 of working age adults are currently out of work. Automation will probably put another 1/3 out of work over the next 10 years.

All it will do is raise the cost of living and lower innovation and increase the unemployed. Its basically a form of financial slavery

>>136038766
that would inevitably lead to a world full of niggers, who will proceed to destroy everything because thats what nigger do

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>>136035862
when you give poorfags money they go out and spend it fast where as richfags let it sit in bank accounts

>>136033687
Keynesian economics, Bro. Just keep printing money. Never fails.

>>136038766
>>136038993
niggers will shape up once we have a race war with the klingons

>>136032992
The very same pricks that are promising UBI for all are the same pricks that fight tooth and nail to not have their taxes raised, at the same time they are becoming doomsday preppers.
>actions speak louder than words

>>136039005
This is an important point. Everyone seems to think that money paid out to people disappears from the economy.

It does not. Poor people do not import expensive cars.

>>136039073
no, they will side with the klingons as an excuse to wreck more shit

>>136038821

I have no problem with that i just want people on here to understand that it's inevitable and not to make retarded arguments against it like
" well look at Venezuela". I just need you guys to vote yes on it when it comes up in the future.

>>136039005
its actually better if it sits in rich fags accounts.

poorfag spending is the most destructive type of spending and most of it goes overseas to china and other places.

>>136035862
It is the smartest kind of welfare since it massively reduces administration costs, and people with incomes can be taxed to compensate.

>>136032992
Can't wait for the rap about UBI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

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>>136039186
this is just my one family example but my granny is a millionaire who gets >8k in interest from her stocks every month
she does not touch that money and just lets it sit or get reinvested.

I got 6k in money from the FAFSA and I went out and got my gate repaired and I bought a tablet and got new tires and shit

>>136032992
If you think the elites will simply let you live once you've been replaced you're daft.

They will keep a small breeding stock and kill useless eaters like you.

Sage this commie bait though

UBI is only effective when scarcity is not a problem.

>>136039662
Scarcity isn't a problem, at least not in the West

>>136032992
great now all the niggers can hang out at the mall 24/7 and never get a job.

>>136039764
>Scarcity isn't a problem,
do you seriously believe natural resources are infinite?

>>136039846
Which ones? Food and power? Yes.

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>>136032992
Do calculations what UBI your country can afford right now. Without such all discussions are empty.

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>>136039778
What mall? Malls are dying cuz online and walmart

Where is that income going to come from?

>>136032992
Let's rename welfare something else hurr durr!

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>Automation will replace all the jobs and there will be mass starvation

Leftist cucks have been saying this for decades and there's no signs of this happening

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>>136038993
The white American birthrate is 1.5 children per woman. The Black American birthrate (despite all of your racist welfare queen stereotypes) is slightly higher at 1.7 children per woman. The only reason we (Black people) don't have a lower birthrate than whites is because of welfare and child support. Once UBI is implemented and the state stops paying for children Black American birthrates will plummet. Throw in the increasing amount of mixed race offspring being born to Black people and America all of a sudden becomes less "black." The US is essentially implementing the "Argentina Plan."

Pic unrelated.

>>136040115

Machine labor.

>>136038627
>Pretty sure than to attempt to purge all unemployed people would be more expensive than just paying them a small salary.

you better be very very sure

>>136032992
As automation goes up universal basic income will be unavoidable. Otherwise you end up with a surplus population that is too uneducated to be employable for a wage that is survivable. High unemployment means high crime, and at some point civil unrest. Better to give these people 'bread and circuses' then have them sitting around in their double-wide trailers thinking about how they'd like to get back at all those people who have more than them.

>>136039959
My country has a GNP/pop of 53417 USD. In my neet case, my living expenses do not exceed around 600 bucks a month. This is a napkin job, but it seems possible.

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>>136038715
Not just niggers, no one could buy snacks with foodstamps. I'd reckon it was mostly the fatties that got mad.

I work in a grocery store, and most of the people I see using EBT are
a) Brown with a VERY thick accent
b) Fat
c) Have a gaggle of children
d) Black
Usually a combination of them, like a fat black mother with 3 kids in tow.

And guess what? They usually use EBT and WIC (a fund for Women, Infants, and Children) to buy eggs, bread, apple juice, and cheese, while using their "spare cash" to buy a shitload of soda, chips, candy, and hairspray. Fucking incels.

That being said, I still support UBI. My job isn't going to be taken by robots, but my store might just shut down if the fast food joints in my town fire all their workers. We wouldn't be able to stay in the black if other stores started automating their workers. We NEED UBI to stay afloat in the coming years.

>>136038627
>what is automation

>>136032992
communism. if you keep shilling this shit you're going to end up on a helicopter.

>>136040211
Very sure. They'd fight back and shit. Wars are expensive, you should know best of all.

>>136039764
>doesn't know the economic definition of scarcity

That's why these arguments are meaningless and go nowhere.

Until we get the Replicator from Star Trek, and we can use it to replicate more replicators, scarcity will always be a problem. Go back to school.

>>136040431
GNP =/= welfare budget
Try again.

>>136034148
>since most math behind UBI is sound
I haven't laughed this hard in a while, thanks.

>>136038455
Exactly. If they start niggering our job market into oblivion, they better pay us dividends of their massive profit.

If normies don't have money to buy shit, these companies are going to go under anyways. It's their choice.

>>136040180
The only reason niggers are alive is because whites are feeding them. If all the whites left, the nigger population would drop 95%, and those that lived would revert to negrophagy, which is the traditional African diet.

>>136032992
>Luddite Fallacy this hard
baka

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>>136032992
my work is not yours
the money I earn is not yours
my robots are not yours
the wealth they create is not yours

now die in your own shit, you shit flinging commie monkey

>>136032992
It'll happen once the food riots begin and 50% of the country is homeless.

Until then, THAT'S COMMUNISM. MAH FREEDOM.

>>136040842

You won't have a job you retard. What the fuck are you talking about?

If everyone gets $1000/month:
$1000 = $0

Rent = $1001
Insurance = $1001
Car =$1001
Groceries = $1001

Common goy, we know you're good for it!
That being said, IF it replaces ALL other welfare progs, it might be worth it.

>>136040891

Well said, i really think there's gonna be people who lose their jobs to machines in America and still vote against UBI. The retardation level here scares me.

>>136032992

ITT: NEETs salivating over the idea of getting money for sitting on their ass at home all day.

>>136041063

Ofoucrse it would replace all other welfare.

ITT: idiots trying to predict the future


30 years from now: "Automation will soon put everyone out of work. We have to implement (flavor of the month idea)"

>>136032992
Universal currency will be worthless. This is how black markets start

>>136040573
3d printers will be common household items in 20 or less years. The Chinese can put together a house in 12 hours. The the most valuable companies today (ex. Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Facebook) have lower marginal costs than mega corporations of the past. Digital items (ex. music, games, porn, etc.) are easily reproducible and distributable.

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>>136041063
That's not how it works. If people have less money than they did before ($12k average compared to $20k average), prices would fall. No one is going to charge $1001 for housing when people couldn't afford it. They would never sell anything. Ever. They would bankrupt themselves.

The idea behind a UBI is that it replaces all other welfare programs, though, which is why it's a good idea.

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>>136039764
>>136039899
>scarcity is not a problem
>energy and food are infinite

>>136040431
>GNP = budget

This, my men, is how stupid UBIfags are.
No understanding of economics or science, but they've watched a TED talk or some shit about automation and think they're oh-so-intellectual

>>136040842
How are you going to stop me from taking it?

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>>136041183
How do you know I don't already?

if you give everyone money it is worthless

>>136039899
>power
>infinite

>>136041272
Does that somehow make the components that make up those easily built items less scarce? The physical nature of reality, makes it IMPOSSIBLE for scarcity to never be a factor in economic production, only retards like you can't see that.

>>136041328
You guys got blackouts and food shortages in Poland then?

>>136032992
What good is a nation of useless eaters.

>>136041371
You know the big ball in the sky at daytime? It gives free energy.

>>136041454
Very relevant question, even today.

>>136041063
Second:
The WORST thing you can do to a poor person is give them a living income.
Imagine if every low level addict you know was given $50,000 a year for doing nothing: dead within 2 months.

The more you pay low skilled workers the LESS they show up-to work on monday. Drugs, booze, bitches.
It will cause mass chaos.

90% of people who win the lottery declare bankruptcy within a year, people simply haven't the skills to handle money yet.

>>136040924
of course, I will, you dumb merry tard

having a final say on what my robots will do will be my job
they may refine to a point when they're able to advise me, but I will still decide

while those letting robots do errything (you) will fail (constructivists thinking Mankind can be reduced to mere planning and calculus always and ever fail)
same as those who'll order robots poorly will fail

deal with it, leeching nigger

>>136041439
>no power outages means that energy is infinite and free

Holy fuck, how dumb can you be? Both food and energy are limited commodities that have to be paid for

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>>136041489
Solar Energy isn't efficient, it doesn't allow for the production of more energy than it consumes, and we currently have no viable ways of STORING energy produced by the sun.

>>136041314
>The idea behind a UBI is that it replaces all other welfare programs
Again do a math. What is consolidated welfare budget of the USA?

>>136033687
Taxing industries who now have tons of extra money because they have no one to pay (except electical/electronic engineers to fix robots)

>>136041239
Automation is on the verge of putting us close to Great Depression levels of unemployment.
>Self-driving cars
>Sales kiosks
>warehouse robots
>"McDonalds Machines" (machines that can perfectly produce any item on McDonalds' menu)
These inventions will put 17% of the US's current working population out of jobs. This isn't automation like before, you idiot, this is full automation. When we jump up from 8% unemployment to 25% unemployment, the economy will crash.

And this is just in the next 5 years. We have this technology already, it's just (currently) too expensive.

>>136041590
Are you being willfully stupid? I'm poor as fuck and food + power are like 10% of expenses. It's nothing dude.

>>136039899
>food is infinite
>solar panels last forever
lel

>>136034021
>Its good to prevent idiots from having 8 kids
How?

>>136041628
Also, the materials to produce solar panels are scarce, limiting the amount of them that can be constructed.

>>136040180
>the "Argentina Plan."
the "Argentina plan" was declaring war on some shithole and telling all the nigger slaves that if they fought in that war they would be free, then using them as cannon fodder

too bad leftards have started importing more africans recently

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>>136041709

>>136036379

No, they are starving. If you don't work, you starve, it is the law of nature.

>>136041556

Ok so what is your solution to automation? Genocide?

>>136041655
Budget has nothing to do with it. We're going to have to greatly increase corporate tax rates on businesses that automate a large chunk of their work force, delaying the inevitable until it becomes economically viable to automate their workers out.

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>>136041709
We have had the technology to automate all retail-type jobs for decades. In every major European mall you will see self-checkouts.

Now, why do you think is retail still the largest single job?

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>>136032992
Would be amazing in a non debt based, European (white) society with high levels of social responsibility.

In the modern world it would just lead to an even bigger underclass and we'd be on some Hunger Games type zoning system level.

>>136041861
>Laws of nature
Where can I read the text of these?

>>136041579
"leeching nigger" While I'm responding to you from my computer at WORK.

Gladly... There are too many people working. I would gladely pay more taxes if that meant that it would free up work for someone with a master degree in engineering.

>>136041628

>it doesn't allow for the production of more energy than it consumes

This post shows that the so called "anarco-capitalists" lack a basic understanding not only of economy, but also of science in general.

>>136041875
>Budget has nothing to do with it.
>UBI fags can't into math
I got it.

>>136041842
Destroying the machines will do nothing.

>>136041908
>Retail
>Largest single job
Oh, Europoors. In America, the majority of retail staff has been stocking for over a decade. Not cashiers. Stockers. People who put the products on the shelves. People who clean the store. People who move around heavy supply crates. Self check-outs killed off a lot of cashiers. In my store, we went from having 12 cashiers at any one time to having 6, with 2 of them running the self check-outs, and 4 of them remaining to help the old idiots who cannot figure out how machines work.

>>136040695
Yeah, because Africans didn't exist before we met whites? Dumbass. There are two reasons why Black people are still in America. The first is that after slavery until about the late 60's we were a necessary component of the labor force. The second is that America is integrating us into it's society. Today there are Black Americans (whether we're over represented like in the military or under represented like in IT) in every walk of American life.

>>136041737

Food and energy may indeed be 10% of your expenses, but 99% of your expenses is scarce stuff that has to be paid for - the ONLY commodities to which the law of scarcity doesn't apply is digitally stored information (files and software)

Who do you think is going to pay for all this?

>>136041272
True, but those items are not absolutely free to produce yet. We still need people to build and service 3d printers. Mega corporations still have operating costs. Until operating costs can go down to absolute zero, resources will still be "scarce" in the economic sense.

The biggest argument against UBI is that it's a solution to a problem we don't even have yet, and will probably not have in our lifetimes.

>>136042014
>WORK
must be menial, and poorly done, seeing as you daydream about being lazy and at most ordering machines to gibsmedat

>>136032992
>I really can't see how anyone can be against this since automation will destroy most jobs.

No it wont. Thats stupid.

People can just go get other jobs.

>>136042209
The rest of the economy of course, overseen by the government. Who else?

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>>136042147
Why don't you look up some statistics, you fucking retarded nigger?

>>136041431
Scarcity will always exist. The question is whether scarcity is more or less of a factor today than it was say 100 years ago and will it be less of a factor 100 years from now.

>>136042136
Try this math
>Normies cannot get jobs anymore
>Tons of them are armed to the teeth because this is America
>Starving in the streets

Government implements UBI
>Normies continue doing normie shit

Government fails to act
>Normies revolt
>Rich people get killed in the streets
>Society collapses
>Total anarchy

There simply is no other option. None. Even if it is costly, there is no other way. Millions of angry people with guns will always lead to revolt. And the angry and poor here are a larger percentage of the population than in 1916 Russia.

>>136041489
>lives in nordic country
>thinks he can live off the sun

solar panels require energy to be made and have a limited life, then you need a new one
making a panel consumes more energy than it will give back through its life
also, they generate the most during valley hours (noon) and generate nothing at peak hour (evening)

>>136033687

>muh money

let me explain this so that you brainlets can understand

Imagine in the future everything is automated. Robot harvest the crops, make products, generate power. And fixer bots can repair any damage. These bots would produce an abundance of food and products even if humanity just disapeared. Ok, great. Now you have a planet with more than enough resouces for everyone, but no one has any money because literally no one works. That doesn't make any sense does it? how do we fix this?

Well, the answer is that we print money. Give everyone some of the money, and using the money people can buy the products.

>BUT YOU CANT JUST PRINT MONEY, MUH COMMIES

There is no reason we can't just give away money for free, in a controlled fashion. We are basically saying that as a society we have 'X' amount of items, and that every person gets an equal ration of these items. Instead of assigning everyone an equal portion, we give people money so that they can pick the things they want.

So where does UBI fit into this?

Once enough jobs are automated and enough people are out of work, we increase the UBI to be enough for food and shelter + other basics. Enough to live. This will be the lifeline for society.

>b-but then why won't everyone just go on UBI

Because if you can still work, you will earn more money and be able to buy fancier cars.

As automation increases more and more, and unemployment gets higher, UBI will be raised accordingly. Once automation reaches the point that no one has to work, and robot produce an excess of everything we need, UBI will be set at a level so that everyone gets an even split of the abundance.

So any brainlets that ever argue against UBI ever again, please reference this post

Oh, P.S. UBI will only work if we only allow immigration from countries with similar development levels as us (AKA not third world) for obvious reasons

>>136041869
My solution would be no solution.

I'd like to see ALL social engeneering put to a fucking end.

I think it's inevitable. I'll move back to Canada when it comes into effect, but until then it makes the most sense to arbitrage my income by earning and saving where I can make the most globally, and then spending it where it goes the furthest.

Living in the developed first world is a suckers game as it's become completely unaffordable for all but the truly rich and established.

>>136042401
>take away the 2nd Amendment
>what do

>>136042401
>Normies cannot get jobs anymore

It's the first point of your logic chain and it's already bullshit.

Socialists have been blowing the horns about massive automation-induced unemployment for DECADES, and in the US the two professions with the largest employment are still fucking retail.

>>136042418
No, here we use wind energy. Denmark is actually famous for that.

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>>136032992
>automation will destroy most jobs
When do you think that will happen? Universal basic income only truly makes sense once the cost of production in all its forms is heading toward 0. That can only happen once robot slave workers can do everything a human can or better. Until then, human workers need to produce things and get compensated for it.

>giving out free shit to worthless masses instead of killing them

listen, shitskins are outdated farming equipment, we all agree on this, right? and we all agree that they should be eliminated, reduced, taken out, disposed of, right??
well why is this any different when it comes to all the double digit mouth breathing unessential "working" masses that can be replaced by an extremely repetitive machine??????

So let me get this straight:
You (the regime) are smart enough to have satellite guided faster than sound precision artillery, mass produce food on your own, have biological and nuclear weapons, and also the only knowledge on how to cure/bunker yourself from those same weapons...
Why do you think that the masses wont be exterminated?

>>136042566
Note that they aren't coal mining or steel refining or automotive or anything like that.

>>136032992
>I really can't see how anyone can be against this
Have you read any arguments against it?
Here's a few

>Welfare for niggers x 50
>numales stop working altogether. Persue career in painting and other useless activites
>Societal decay continues
>people work like 3 hours a week. Rest is spent on hedonism
>white birthrate continues to shrink
>shitskin population explodes further because muh gibs

UBI is a meme. A communist, anti-freedom meme. UBI shills should be literally hanged.

>>136042366
My store has 165 employees
32 are cashiers
20 are courtesy clerks
82 are various stockers (meat department, grocery, produce, pharmaceuticals, dairy). The rest is various management, custodial, and inspection positions.

Your chart is also completely wrong. The largest job sector in the US is transportation. But that's to be expected because that is half a decade old.

>>136042401
Try this math.
You have UBI of $1000 per year. Satisfied? You got your UBI. Now GTFO.

>inb4 no no no UBI should be $50000 per year and source of such funds is not my problem
It all comes to budget.

>>136041869
nigger arent people to begin with

real answer: just let it run its course, dont try to save the world, worry about your own ass

>>136032992
And where is the fucking money coming from ,dipshit?

>>136036821
What happens when the people you give money to at the start of the month blow it all on alcohol and drugs and then have no money left for food for the second part of the month? Are you gonna let them starve or give them even more money?

>Government owes itself 100 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities
>So much debt it can't be fathomed
>But hey, let's give poor niggers and trailer trash lots of free money because LITERALLY REASONS

Fuck all commies to death.

>>136042715
The cost of goods will go down to match the lowest common denominator. If people only have $1k a year, prices will fall in accordance. Especially because the cost to produce such goods will fall drastically.

>>136042653
Because if there are no consumers to consume then there can be no consumerism which is the foundation the billionaires stand on.

>>136041775
Argentina, along with many other Latin American nations, imported lots of Europeans to breed Blackness out. America couldn't have done to same thing because of the one drop rule. In Brazil mullatos became their own class (Pardos), in America they were pushed down to being "Black." The one drop rule is the greatest thing white folks have ever given us. Thanks.

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>>136042315
>the rest of the economy will pay for my food, shelter, gasoline, heating, clothing, and entertainment
I'd like to remind you that the "economy" is not your mummy

>>136042567
>wind energy is infinite

Wind energy requires
>materials to build the turbines and associated infrastructure
>energy to build the turbines and associated infrastracture
>humans who will do all this and mantain the operation
>area of land to place the turbines

Do you know anything at all about science and engineering, or do you just play RTS games where buildings pop up out of nowhere?

>>136032992
if automation takes over then money will probably become worthless since noone will be working to produce or justify it.
When cavemen were making spears, do you think they walked into a hardware store and purchased a handle and stone? Money only exists because someone wants to think they're bigger than someone else.

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>>136042510
>Take away second amendment
>In the current US political climate
hahahahahaha

>>136042567
>wind energy

>when wind blows you have more power than you can use, have to sell it for nearly nothing

>when wind doesnt blow you have to buy power from countries with fossil plants, at high prices

Take a lessons from Niggers and Injuns:
If you live off the gov't dole, the gov't LITTERALLY owns your ass.

>>136041489
>And this is just in the next 5 years. We have this technology already, it's just (currently) too expensive.

Free energy is right around the corner guys! It's just too expensive right now.

>>136041737
>Are you being willfully stupid? I'm poor as fuck and food + power are like 10% of expenses. It's nothing dude.

What part of "10% = nothing" don't you get?

>>136042979
All those jobs are already taken. That industry is in place. It will lose some jobs with automation as well. Why do you think it would magically disappear?

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>>136042699
>statistics don't exist because muh store

Here is data for 2014 you illiterate mong. I guess that it's invalid because three years have gone by, huh?

Devils advocate. Let's say we implement UBI of 2k a year or equivalent tax credits.
BUT
>No more medicade
>no more social security
>no more welfare

Worth it?

>>136043032
We are connected to our Nordic neighbors. We have this pretty cool thing where we import/export based on where the wind is blowing. Also Sweden has many hydroelectric plants. We'll be just fine friend.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

It's been 3 years and anti-UBI cucks still can't argue against this video. Literally the crucifix to their argument.

>>136042279
what's your current job ?

>>136043104
What are you even talking about? I know that Denmark has an impressive wind power industry, but how does it invalidate any of my points about scarcity?

Are you just spouting whatever shit comes into your mind?

>>136043054
You wanna say to me that 50 bucks a month is a relevant sum of money in this day and age?

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>>136043190

>>136043032
>you have more power than you can use, have to sell it for nearly nothing

Explain this economic theory. Seems like bullshit.

>have a surplus of power
>charge out the nose for it anyways

Seems more likely. (((denmark)))

>>136032992
>automation will destroy most jobs
Then you will have no problem when martial law is declared to round up and deport the thirty to forty million illegal aliens present on U.S. soil, who either hopped the border, or overstayed their visa, since machines will do all the menial work we supposedly need all these law breaking drifters to do.

>>136043372
I'm asking why you think the rest of the economy would just magically disappear just because we replace our already very expansive welfare system.

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>>136040180
also blacks abort a ton of kids

>>136042688

First off I am pro Capitalism, but capitalism can't exist if no one has money to buy the goods and services.

>>136041962
UBI will force people to cooperate with those around them more. The government won't hold your hand as much as far as food (EBT and WIC), healthcare and raising children is concerned (we might see the death of the public school). A woman getting say $30000 of UBI will find it hard to raise children without a father. Having a low income sucks but it sucks at lot less if others can help you.

>>136032992

Not everyone deserves to live. Subsidising the existence of the weak and the degenerate is evil and should not be encouraged.

>>136041331
helicopter rides. They will be free for the scum like you.

>>136043443
By then you'll be unemployed and useless too. Do you really think your current job wont be replaced ?

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The NIT is where only a poor person who was left without a job because the modern job crises receives $15,000 enough to live on because they were in need.

The UBI is where millionaires and billionaires like mark cuckstain receive $3000 in their mailbox and the poor cant afford anything with it because its ""universal"" and had to pay for everyone rather than targeting the people who were screwed over by the automated economy.

Nice welfare system UBI cucks.
You didnt think it through too much.

>>136041869
wars over water and rare earth minerals for robots

Stop thinking of UBI as a solution to automation you niggers. UBI is meant to reform the welfare system so the state doesn't intervene at all - you get as much money for food and healthcare as anyone else and are told to find your own solution with that money from the private sector - be it for food or healthcare. The state doesn't need to pay for state hospitals like in Europe or your entire healthcare plan and the bureaucracy around it like in the US - you got your money now deal with it.

Fixing the issue of automation is only the side bonus.

>b-but no one will want to work???
Yes and no one will be working even if they wanted to in 10 years. This is just being well prepared before the mass starvation happens an a literal communist revolution follows it because people are starving and can't get money for food. Remember how minor of a bump needed to occur for #OWS to happen? Imagine if half of the US became unemployed because "robots don't whine about minimal wage"

>>136043522
Well, yeah, it'd kinda force the nuclear family back into focus. When luxury and necessity prices revolve around the UBI pay out, having multiple UBI earners would provide more luxuries for both of them.

>>136042813

You let them starve at that point.

>>136043501
Shit I forgot about that one too. Luckily my mom was staunchly pro life.

>>136043373
Non relevant amount != zero

>>136043514
That's where jobs come in. You do work, you get money. How can someone justify getting something for nothing? What do these "people" need money for if they aren't willing to earn it?

>>136043722
>you get as much money for food and healthcare as anyone else

Communism lite detected,

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>>136043776
yeah its a real black pill when you look at Marget Sanger and how planned parenthood started out as a nigger extermination plan

>>136042813
If it's possible to live off of the Government handouts, people who fail to do so will be shunned like they are nowadays.

>>136043451
It won't magically disappear, but you can't just pay people for simply existing, because all physical commodities are SCARCE (limited) and require materials, energy and labor for production

Either you create money out of nowhere which is retarded (google: inflation), or you create a class of freeloaders who are a pure burden on the society

>>136043676
No, you didn't. By making it universal you save yourself a very large bill in administration. You also make social fraud impossible. People with other incomes can be taxed to compensate.

>>136043894
Abortionists do secretly hate niggers, but a broken clock is right twice a day. Libshits are still the enemy.

>>136043722
>Yes and no one will be working even if they wanted to in 10 years.

The same thing was being said in 1980, and then 1990, and then in 2000, AND in 2010

Still don't see it happening mr Economist

>>136043798
Not everyone can get a job once the robots replace the vast majority of low skilled jobs.
>inb4 just let them die
>inb4 just force them through College
You know neither of these would work, right? What happens when millions of more people go through College? That's right, the pay for the available jobs will plummet, eventually hitting a saturation point where you cannot earn enough money to even pay for the College course to get your degree.

>>136034360
>>136041758
The only way to sell it would be to say you get x per month no matter how many kids you have. This would encourage leeches to not have kids or abort them.

>>136033687
thread

>>136043779
Might as well be. Feeding myself and powering my battlestation will not be problems.

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>>136043974
no you waste trillions of dollars sending money to people who dont need it

the cost of administration is TINY all you have to do is see what they payed in taxes last year, if its too much they dont get a check

the information is already there at the IRS it could be automated by a computer program

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>>136044180
are you going to just fine people who have kids then adopt them out

>>136044114
Just because people in the past were wrong doesn't make it wrong this time. They were right in a way, even then. Factory jobs and other well-paying low-skilled jobs disappeared from the job market. Now all that's left are retail jobs, and those are being automated out, too.

>>136044152
Automation isn't going to take muh job.
Anything that requires thinking is still safe.
AI is a meme. Robotics are a meme.
Automation will only force out burger slaves, A-B drivers, and factory assemblers.

People with real jobs should be fine for another 400 years.

>>136042875
no you fucking retard, you can just consume everything yourself, and stockpile everything else in the world
>if you want a chair in this life, you must have someone else who also wants one and you need him to consume a chair before you can make yourself one
what you said was that retarded

Doesn't work well with muslims in a country.

>>136033687
Strip ALL social programs, and use the money from that. It is supposed to save billions of dollars if it was done that way giving every person 18+ $1,000 a month.
I would support this as it's a compromise between
democrats, and republicans due to the saving of money.
Personally I wouldn't want either.

>>136032992

as long as everyone gets the same amount I'm okay with it

I don't feel a certain race or class group or politicians should receive more than anyone else.

>>136043514
Capitalism and socialism shouldn't be thought of as separate systems but must be seen as working together. Modern welfare systems arose around the same time the industrial revolution started. Technologically increased industrial output (Capitalism) enables and requires UBI (Socialism) which creates a market for that output.

>>136043918
The money's already there, though. It's being generated through taxes from the normal economy, just like usual. Which you agree won't go anywhere.

>>136044299
>The trends all point to wrong
>so this is probably ok now
Shoddy logic.

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>>136044299
>Now all that's left are retail jobs, and those are being automated out, too.

>>136044313
No, you won't be. You won't have a job if the poor people cannot afford your services. You will be out of a job, too, unless your job is being a high level business manager, doctor, politician, or """artist""".

>>136034148
you didnt answer the question

>>136034476
So people actually have spending mone¥ they will waste on their jewish products/services.

>>136032992
Really? You can't see how, huh? I don't agree with a lot of things, but I can always see how people reason to conclusions that I disagree with. They used to teach this in college.

The arguments against UBI, and specifically your frame of that argument, are many, but here are a couple:

1. Automation hasn't yet destroyed most jobs. The rules of logic enforcing your argument come from a non-existent reality where automation has destroyed most jobs. So try to clarify whether you mean UBI under specifically that setting or if that fabricated hypothetical somehow justifies UBI in the world we actually occupy?

2. Non-automated jobs will be invented. When they are automated, new non-automated jobs will be invented. As always, man will adapt.

>>136044471
>No, you won't be. You won't have a job if the poor people cannot afford your services. You will be out of a job, too
people will service the middle/upper classes.

poor fags will get cut out and forced to do whatever else is needed.

>>136043891
>Communism lite detected,
Getting a portion of your tax back and having the government not intervene into the market with its bureaucratic spending is communism? neat

>>136044114
>>Still don't see it happening mr Economist
Lets see if you're still not going to see it happening once transportation, a very major industry for both the US and Europe, becomes fully automated when even the GPU on your home computer can simulate an AI that drives a truck

>>136044413
>The money's already there, though. It's being generated through taxes from the normal economy, just like usual.

>let's tax the people who actually work and give it to freeloaders

OK, so you're just a thief. Kthxbai

>>136044440
>>136044433
Those logical fallacies do nothing for your argument. People in past were wrong about the scope of the automation. Sure. But that doesn't negate all of the new technologies that are going to automate out most of the current low skilled jobs

>>136044249
The cost of administrating a selective social welfare system is definitely not tiny. You need an army of buraucrats to process applications, do oversight, stop fraud, etc. etc.

>>136044440
Unemployment is a "fake" statistic. Look at labor force participation rates.

Here's how to solve this problem
>un-peg the dollar to the value of oil
>return the gold to fort knox
>back USD with gold reserves again
>suddenly $5 is enough for a whole trip to the store


Wow its like we uncucked ourselves in the span of one week.

>>136032992
The problem with UBI is that we have to figure out how to genetically increase the populations avg IQ by 20-30 points before Automation gets to the level that would make UBI warranted. We can't be giving out money to people with an IQ in the 80s.

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>>136044599
>Lets see if you're still not going to see it happening once transportation, a very major industry for both the US and Europe, becomes fully automated when even the GPU on your home computer can simulate an AI that drives a truck

OK, let's see then - for now you can just fuck off

>>136044580
If you cut out poor people, the amount of professional jobs necessary will drastically decrease, meaning your ass will be gone. There are several thousand times as many poor people as there are rich people. Rich people generally do not consume any kind of product at even a fraction of a fraction of the rate poor people do, unless the product in question is a yacht or a private jet.

>>136044603
Yeah, we've been doing this since the end of the war, and we're still a very comfortable country to live in. This system is merely a more efficient take on it. Why spend money filtering applications if you end up at 50% unemployment?

>>136044753
>If you cut out poor people, the amount of professional jobs necessary will drastically decrease, meaning your ass will be gone
middle/upper class is good business so nope.

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>>136032992
Scarcity is basically non-existent in regards to essential resources so as far as allocation goes, it would make sense.

There's blatant pros and cons to having a UBI.

Imagine though... what would progress and development be like if companies had to compete for us to get us to work for them? People wouldn't be bogged down in dealing with ordinary bullshit like rent/food/bills and could actually do things they enjoyed.

Anyone who thinks no one would work if we had a UBI is utterly stupid.

Giving UBI at this very moment to Americans would be sickeningly stupid... however, if the power structure was arranged differently and a sensible system was implement in regards to this whole thing and the relevant associated issues, it would be an excellent thing to do.

Also, I'm going to rape your family and eat your blood relatives alive.

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Looking at AI, robotics and other automation trends we really only have two options:

Universal basic income
Kill the undesirables

I choose the latter

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>>136044634
No it has zero administration costs go read my post again

it could be automated by a computer program

the IRS already has the information how much they make per year

if they make over a certain amount then they dont receive a check and everyone else does

ZERO COSTS , SAVES TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS

UBI IS FOR KEKS.

NIT , IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR JOBS

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>>136044735
>for now you can just fuck off
Is this supposed to be your argument? Is posting a pic of 15% unemployment with an uptrend supposed to prove that automation doesn't exist?

lmao have a pic of the rest of Europe while we're at it

>>136044804
No, they really aren't. You cannot survive off of 200,000 customers when before you needed 6 million to survive.

>>136044630

There is literally NOTHING to suggest that massive automation-induced unemployment is a realistic scenario.

Not historically, not currently.

Yet you come here and go "oh come on guys, THIS time it's for real!"

Fuck off, seriously.

What if you cannot afford a $50,000 robot but you can afford to pay the same salary over 2 years?

Robots btfo by price

>>136044918
He simply does not get that unemployment is going to be a real issue. Old people don't understand, because it's the young people who are unemployed, since its low-skilled jobs that are disappearing.

>>136044926
rich fags need their houses maintained.

they need food made, cars made, boats made, buildings made.

they will have kids and the rich fag population will increase and they need teachers/tutors so they can learn how the machines work and learn how to improve them.

all we do is cut out you useless retards and we continue.

>>136044347
Universal basic income MIGHT be the solution to Europe's Muslim problem. In order for them to advance in society they would have to integrate into your societies since low wage work is going away. Or it might make it easier for them to cluster amongst themselves. Who knows? Who cares?

>>136032992
>I really can't see how anyone can be against this since automation will destroy most jobs.

That might be an argument for UBI once automation destroys most jobs -- at the present, it's just "Dats, gibs them me!"

>>136034148
And now with the increased demand prices will rise and you're back to the beginning.

>>136044948
Because this time it IS real. The last major bastions of low-skilled labor are on the chopping block, after mining and factory work got nixed. This is it. Unless you seriously believe that 60% of the US population can be employed in Mom & Pop stores that are too little to afford automation.

>>136045080
muslims already live off benefits

>>136043743
So then you don't have a problem with letting people starve after all.

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UBI = Mark cuckerburg receives $ 1500 a year

NIT = people with no income because they lost their job receives $20,0000 and thats it

were supposed to be helping those who got fucked

not throwing money around like retards to people who dont need it

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>>136032992

UBI is not possible without giving away total control. Total information awareness will become reality. You will lose freedom of movement as automobiles are replaced with AI operated transportation. Owning a car will be reserved for the select few. UBI comes on the heels of automation as an opiate to the masses.
UBI along with automation leaves you with two possible outcomes. Resources are not infinite and the current global population would need 7 earths to live at the level that western nations enjoy today. That's roughly 1 billion humans at current levels of consumption. Resource scarcity will become a very real part of every day life. The flooding of western nations with immigrants demanding a better life and access to UBI will dwarf what we see today. Under UBI there will have to be controlled depopulation as resource conservation will have to take precedent if it's expected that everyone have a higher standard of living. That means a loss of reproductive rights. Under such a system the individuals who do work will inherently have more value to the system. Despite the claims UBI makes not all will be equal, some will have more rights and it will cause fracturing and tension.

UBI has to surrender to the limits placed on it by humanity being stuck in a closed system. That means accepting the logical fallacy that is infinite growth that the western world is built on. The second possibility is that controlled depopulation does not happen, in such a scenario humanity will simply plunge itself into a state of chaos as scarcity catches up with it's ideals and a massive population correction occurs.

>>136042264
jvais niquer la chatte a ta grand mere si tu m'insulte encore, je travaille dur fils de pute

>>136044918
>Is this supposed to be your argument? Is posting a pic of 15% unemployment with an uptrend supposed to prove that automation doesn't exist?

Yes it is, and you can't debunk it. Unemployment here has been significantly higer in the mid 90's and then mid 00's.

Several posts above I've posted the same graph but for the US.

Unemployment fluctuates, but generally it has been oscillating around the same value for decades.

There's NOTHING to suggest that automation really induces mass unemployment.

>>136032992
The money to do this objectively doesn't exist. I've been napkin-mathing this problem. Since before you were born.

>>136032992
We need it now. It's clear I'll never be employed.

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>>136045358
it doesnt exist if its universal

if its not universal and you replace other forms of welfare with it at the same time it does

>>136044658
>unpeg dollar to oil
>full-scale economic collapse immediately
There is no "return gold to knox", we don't have anywhere near the backing required to be solvent.

Wow it's like you have 0 understanding of macro economics.

If I get a UBI, I am immediately using it to buy a rural-area home and set it up for sustainable living without any connection to the government or corporations.

>>136045035
Then you should go to your bank and ask for a loan. You'll get it since you've made your money back in only two years.

>>136033687
Tax the robots

>>136042874
>we will have 5000% real GDP growth that will turn $1000 into $50000
Well indeed 5000% GDP growth in real terms will solve literally everything. You only need t sit and wait when such will happen.

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>>136045186
>Because this time it IS real.

Just the same as it has been real for the past century

You're a funny guy

>>136045060
>Maintaining houses
3 jobs per house, max
>Food made
5 jobs
>Cars made
lol no they don't
>boats made
lol no they don't
>buildings made
lol no they don't

>they will have kids
They have kids at a much lower rate than you expect. Rich and middle class people have a much lower birthrate than the poor. This is a trend in every country, from India, to the UK, to Australia, to the US

>and they need teachers/tutors so they can learn how the machines work
No they don't. The machines run themselves. The engineers who repair/install the machines aren't going anywhere. Their jobs are secure, for the time being. They'll be the last to be automated out, and it'll probably take 100, 150 years to automate them out finally.

>>136045358
UBI is the only way forward no matter what you oldfags say or do. We, the millenials, are in control now and UBI will be implemented.

>>136045525
How many people make clothes nowadays, wise guy? How many textile mills do you see in the West? Remember, they used to employ MILLIONS. That's what is going to happen to the remaining low skilled jobs

>>136045459
Imagine how much money and energy will be saved when only a few need to commute.

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>>136042432
alright, check back in with me in four hundred years when we have globally reached the degree of automation you are describing.

>>136032992

Inevitable. There won't be enough jobs in the future. If you want people to still buy shit, you'll have to give them money that they can't earn by working.

>>136045537
>3 jobs per house, max
making houses takes 3 people?

>5 jobs
farming, preparing takes 5 people?

>lol no they don't
they do

>lol no they don't
they do

>lol no they don't
they do

>They have kids at a much lower rate than you expect. Rich and middle class people have a much lower birthrate than the poor. This is a trend in every country, from India, to the UK, to Australia, to the US
nope, just look at romneys family

>No they don't. The machines run themselves. The engineers who repair/install the machines aren't going anywhere. Their jobs are secure, for the time being. They'll be the last to be automated out, and it'll probably take 100, 150 years to automate them out finally.
its now obvious you have no idea how these machines work, they have to be cleaned EVERY DAY by a human.

either labor moves and you do whatever is left or we cut you right out of the equation and you're on your own.

In 1900, most people worked on farms. No one back then had any concept of a job called "java programmer". Automation will vastly increase productivity and lower the cost of goods and services. You will still have a job - the nature of which is just as incomprehensible to you now as "java programmer" would have been to a farmer in 1900. UBI is still based on theft.

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>>136045322
>There's NOTHING to suggest that automation really induces mass unemployment.
Are you fucking stupid? I just posted a chart for unemployment rates in Europe for people aged 15-24 and it has reached an all time high with Southern Europe having an average of FIFTY FUCKING PERCENT

That's not students going to universities and not working meanwhile, those are actual unemployed NEETs in their prime working age. Here's a pic from an official EU site that has an averaged statistics for all of Europe combined. 20% of Europe in the age range of 20-34 years is NEETs.

I will repeat this again, a fifth of Europe is NEETs. Such a thing has only been observed once in history - during the Great Depression.

>>136045951
>it's okay the robots will invent new jobs for us

>>136045455
Well we need to return to the gold standard. This is unquestionable. How do you propose doing it?

>>136046039
>1 programmer can maintain an army of robots
good try retard

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>>136045951
hey and guess what the more advanced jobs become the less people can do them

every low IQ nigger is destined to be unemployed

some people cant do java programming their brain cant comprehend it

>>136032992
Whether you like it or not, it is inevitable.

>>136045851
Making =/= maintaining

>Farming
>Implying that isn't going to be automated too

They don't need any of those built for them, because they either already exist or are completely irrelevant

>Romney
Okay, and? He's a Mormon. That's like pointing toward the House of Saud as an example of how rich people reproduce.

>>136033687
Where does QE money go now?

>Banks
>Who lend to you.

>>136046105
Indeed, that he can. Computer programs are software objects and as such very easy to copy.

>>136046105
They pretty much can. Code is easy to spread.

>>136045956

you are conflating unemployment in Europe and automation (which really hasn't happened yet).

The unemployment is a natural result of big government and mal-investment.

>>136045956

Do you really think that 50% of South European Youths are NEETs? There simply aren't enough jobs (a large number of those 50% might work in low-wage informal sector jobs, though).

>>136046318
Where the fuck is my factory job then?

>>136046177
>>Farming
>>Implying that isn't going to be automated too
>automated = completely unmanned
robots break my retard friend. you're also ignoring the fact that you have to pay chefs to prepare the food.

they also have a small army of engineers and programmers improving them.

>They don't need any of those built for them, because they either already exist or are completely irrelevant
>source: your ass
pretty sure rich fags LOVE big houses

>Okay, and? He's a Mormon. That's like pointing toward the House of Saud as an example of how rich people reproduce.
most of them do, you just dont realize it

you still have to clean the robots bitch boy so pick up that sponge and start cleaning.

>>136046117

Ur oriental women are horrible.

Can you please post some normal humans?

>>136046368
>>136045956

I think I misunderstood you. Thought you meant NEETS as in "I watch my Japanese anime and don't WANT to work."

>>136046238
>>136046263
imagine being this ignorant of technology.

windows alone has taken 100,000's of people to create and maintain.

>>136046393

Denmark people really love their social benefits. That money is not available to investment to grow the economy because it pays for your gold plated benefits.

>>136046507
NEET is an actual abbreviation used by the UK social services, I believe. It actually doesn't have anything to do with 4chan culture.

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>>136046318
>The unemployment is a natural result of big government and mal-investment.
>europe
lmao

>>136046368
>do you really think that 50% of South European Youths are NEETs?
Yes, unironically. Here's official statistics for you http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Statistics_on_young_people_neither_in_employment_nor_in_education_or_training
The percentage become better once you remove the 15-19 group since they're excused for being NEETs in modern times, but Italy still sits at 30% which is literal Depression levels, with Spain and Greece following close

>>136046629
But all the factories moved to China or at least Estonia tho

>>136046507
NEET = [N]ot [E]mployed nor in [E]ducation or [T]raining

>>136032992
It will not work out well for those BI. BI itself is a form of soft genocide and will likely be accompanied by other soft (or even hard) genocidal measures in order to curb the population size and create a situation where the general society is neither a threat nor a nuisance to the technological controllers.

We are already under serious assault with 1 in 2 people expected to be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetimes, labour and immigration policies designed to lower wages and create increased pressure on those seeking employment.

If Elon and Zuck (especially) are so enamoured with BI, I suggest they eschew all personal gain and comfort associated with their positions and live on and average middle class wage. The wealthy live obscenely consuming vast resources and all the while lecture the average Joe about how much energy he uses to power home and feed his kids, it's getting pretty sickening to hear these rich pseudo intellectuals wax praise onto neo-marxist economic models.

>>136046886
If you think that's sickening, imagine hitting 50% unemployment in the general population and going on as if nothing happened.

>>136046886
Paying for UBI will dramatically increase their taxes and they know it. They are also OK with it because having millions of starving people isn't good for anyone.

>>136047017
>>136047017
>>136047017
What is the unemployment in Detroit?

>>136047328
Dunno.

>>136047291

Starving people is a straw man. People have to adapt to the economy they have, not USED TO HAVE.

>>136047291
UBI wouldn't solve that problem. Millions of people will waste their money on drugs, alcohol and general consumerism and then expect more money.

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>>136044413
this is what socialist scandies actually believe

>>136047576
It's there mate. You want my bank statements or something?

>>136032992
/pol/ doesnt understand thats what destroyed jobs. they blame people with a darker skin tone because reasons.