Was WW1 the biggest mistake in human history?

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>>136032464
The wrong side won ww1

Allowing German unification was the worst mistake in human history.

>>136032464
The biggest mistake in human history was not ridding the world of (((them))) when they had less power and influence.

>>136032464
The only bigger mistake than the war itself was the treaty of Versailles and how the entente lit the flame of ww2

>>136032464
Yes, it probably was.

>>136032464
No, us losing was the biggest mistake

>>136032565
the worst mistake in history was to not seize the means of cheese and tulips

>>136032464

it was more like the biggest reality check in history

>>136032464
Imagine importing niggers to your country for slavery, just so you can give them a right to vote later on. That's what I call a mistake.

>>136032464
it wasn't the war to end all wars. pretty unneccessary. all this only because austrians hanging out with subhuman slavs therefore getting their leader killed. Fuck you Austria, you have 2 wars on you!

>>136032464
how was it a "mistake"?

The biggest mistake was letting the literally butthurt French dictate Versailles and allowing Communism to finalize in Russia.
The former is on the Western Powers, the latter is a bit on everyone, including us.

>>136032885
Genuine question, what were the German intentions in the case of a WWI victory?

>>136032947
yep

before ww1 everyone still thought wars were fun little skirmishes you do for a while then go home. but industry had changed war right under everyone's noses.

I am currently reading Ernst Jungers Storm of steel, it has some pretty insane scenarios. Just moving crater to crater under mg-fire and gas attacks.

>>136032885

Germany didn't lose. In fact if you examine the history you'd see that Germany had the Allies on their heels for the majority of the war. They managed two fronts and somehow managed to support the decrepit Austrian army at the same time. It's a similar story in ww2. Germany fought a good fight against the most highly developed and equipped armies in the world.

The stigma that Germany carries to this day is more of an incentive not to cause shit in Europe than the potential casualties. germany's been whipped for WW2 for the last 72years and it desn't look like it's going to stop any time soon.

*Fuck America

>>136033430
>Everyone thinking Industrialization would actually limit wars to a few months, tops
Makes one think how off are we about our predictions of how a modern war would play out.

>>136033672

Well said.

>>136033418
They probably would have taken a big chunk of your and the anglos colonies

Also all french men under the age of 30 would have had to surrender their boipussy

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>>136032464
No
Its just one of many,many mistakes
The bigger mistakes have one thing in common, massive wars over relatively nothing

>>136033418

German ambitions:
-Poland
-Balkan
-a bit of Russia
-Belgium
-Colonies

This video is a bit more detailed: https://youtu.be/wNAGhmqEG1s

>>136032464
For the common man, the results of WW1 and WW2 were actually pretty good. Before then you were regulated to you state in society mostly by birthright.

the world wars had a similar social effect that the black death did.

>>136033418

I've wondered what they had to gain from a conflict but I think they were dragged into it by Austria. The Emperor of Austria-Hungary had seen the sun setting on the Empire and decided if the Empire was going to die it would do so in a way befitting the end of a European Royal house. If it can be said that one person was responsible for the carnage of the Great War it was him.

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>>136034544
Why not just secure Belgium and make a defensive war on the Western front while beating the shit out of Russia on the East? The Germans tried to run for Paris as if we had no army at all. Well, our artillery wasn't the best but still.

>>136033576
I've been hesitant to invest in reading it - I understand it's been bowdlerized, that he was highly nationalistic and that that's been cut out for the sake of modern sensibilities.

>>136033576
You mean it wasn't like it was portrayed in "Wonder Woman?" say it ain't so.

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>>136034811
>I've wondered what they had to gain from a conflict
Same.

>>136035033
But it failed. Even though the French govt. fled from Paris at the time.

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>>136033322
Almost every political leaders in France, from the far right to the left, wanted a "tough" revenge on Germany for the Franco-Prussian war right after WW1 ended. It simply was an expression of our insisting national pride I guess.

>>136032464
Fuck the French, bunch pussy marxist bastard scum.

>>136034851
> I understand it's been bowdlerized,

Yeah, but you can buy the earlier edition that hasnt be edited. I think it is the 1929 edition, you might get it at Ferting publishing. The other edition is from 1961, where they have removed not only most of his inner thoughts regarding why he wants to fight, but alot of the more morbid scenes are taken out. Junger described the kills and shit.

I have also read "Poilu" by Louis Barthas. It is interesting to see the differences in both the army and mentality.

>>136035274
My extend of knowledge about France during Versailles is that you had some short fatman storm out of the meeting and he did not come back until all the other (victorious) parties agreed to his demands

>>136035226

the best telling I've heard of the origins and events of the 1914-18 war is by Dan Carling. It's in 2 hour episodes but it's interestingly presented and quite detailed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFMT_BVBBsA

really worth a listen if you're interested in this War

I just remembered, the actual focus of the German warplan was Russian subjugation so they knew they were going to have to fight France anyway because of the pact between Russia and France. Russia at this time was modernizing and Germany wanted a fight they knew was coming earlier rather than later.

"In the coming century the German people will be a hammer or an anvil."

>Bernhard von Bülow in a speech before the Reichstag on 11 December 1899

>>136032464
No, Germany loosing was the biggest mistake.

>>136032519
THIS

>>136036111
Thanks.

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Nope
We retake our rigtful clay, thanks to WW1.

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>>136036308
Good thing you are now drowning in niggerian dicks.

It will take decades for Germany to become like you.

>>136035274
should have all listened to france at the end of ww1 and broken germany up into many pieces.

Hitler as leader of some Prussian leftover state would have been easily checked.

>>136032464
Yes, destroying the Empries, Communism gained power. Tsar's family murdered by Jews.

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>>136036490
Show your real flag Hans
No need to be mad
God bless WW1

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>>136032565

This

The Eternal Hun is the enemy of Europe

>>136035718
Well, it's more or less what actually happened.
Woodrow Wilson and the Brits wanted to be nicer with Germany, which Clemenceau didn't want. His successors followed his path for a while, eventually leading to the annexation of the Ruhr and some other German territories. But, in the end, Hitler came to power in Germany, said "Fuck off French scum, I'm forming an army again". We, French, only got out of the 1929 Crisis in early 1938, the war broke out a year after, we weren't prepared, we got buttfucked.

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>>136036641
>God bless WW1

Yes.

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>>136036730
>Germans
>Huns

>>136036990
Its old American propaganda to call the Germans Huns.

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>>136036641
>over a million dead frogs and their cities in ruins
>they get btfo in the next war and are seen as a cowardly people in the world's eyes until this day
>unironically lose their colonies against rice farmers and camel fuckers, then proceed to invite millions of niggers to rape their daughters
>God bless WW1

I concur

>>136037231
huh.
As you probably don't know, Germans, or Teutons who called themselves """Baltic""" Germans, ruled here for 700 years.
We call Germans "Vācieši", singular "Vācietis".
Our word for leave, as in "LEAVE!", is "Vācieties", when adressing a single person - "Vācies".
While I am not sure if there is an actual connection,
you could assume that we disliked them so much that every time we were talking about Germans we were hoping they would fucking leave.

>>136033607
>getting whipped for it 72 years later
Try 150 just for enslaving some niggers in our own country, at least Germany gave the world a reason on two separate ocassions

>>136032519
/thread

The Kaiser did nothing wrong

>>136035463
Thanks a lot for those details! I do want to hunt it down, I've heard so much about it.

>>136033672
If nukes got involved? A matter of a few hours

>>136032464

Best thing that ever happened.

>>136032464
WW1 was basically a fart until the jews had Churchill get Britain and the US involved.

>>136032464

Not in historical order

>(((them))) still dwelling the world
>Frech revolution and raise of degenerated burgeois
>communism
>not annihilate all protestants as soon as Luther started all the shit

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>>136032565
Actually this is the correct answer. Germany achieved cultural dominance while its states were in friendly competition with each other. Their dominance in all fields began going downhill after unification. WWI should have been a fairly petty conflict, but the unification of Germany made a world war possible. Without WWI, WWII wouldn't have been necessary.

Look at who financed Bismarck. It was pic related. A jewish banker named Gerson von Bleichröder, who was a Rothschild agent.

A very similar process happened in America at the same time: crooked financial interests funded federalization.

Remember, the bigger the nation, the bigger the war.
The bigger the war, the costlier the war.
The costlier the war, the more loans a nation takes out, and thus, the more you can indebt nations to you.
Wars are the ultimate debt machine. They are the bankers' instrument of enslavement, and this is why they want gigantic nation states.

>>136034851
It has, the most common copy is heavily editorialized so he is just this kind of robotic man that runs around in the mud and gets shot and blown up, all politics and nationalism is removed in it. You have to get the early version of it.

>>136032464
Letting sandniggers into europe was the biggest mistake

>>136039199
America was hardly involved for more than a few months iirc without checking

>>136032464

it certainly was the most pointless war ever. It was all about posturing, which means it wasn't a mistake. The world is a bit better without such pompous fools in charge.

>be faggot
>throw bombs at some dude
>miss, hurt some innocent people
>decide to go get a sandwich because anarchy is hard
>come out of sandwich
>the dude is just sitting in his car in front of you
>shoot him
>be responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans and the ultimate decline of an entire civilization

History is fucked.

>>136039862
As far as I know they played a very important role, as the french were close to capitulating and the US troops played an essential part in forcing a German surrender.

>>136040110
Really? Interesting, I'll probably look into it a bit further because it's always been kinda glazed over in terms of burger history classes, even college level

>>136032519
fpbp
Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser

>>136040506
Same here, we also had a minimal education about WW1, mostly focusing on how horrible the trenches were as opposed to what actually happened.

>>136040110
Complete bullshit. Americunts didn't fight until 1918 and they were mainly located in specific areas near the South-East of the front lines. The French did most of the job along with some Brits (and their Empire) in the North. Germans were out of men and supplies, their final offensive had been contained thanks to French troops mostly.

>>136032464
They had nothing better to do.

>>136041005
This.
And also thanks to the blockade of Germany which considerably weakened it.

>>136041005
I certainly could be wrong here, obviously France participated in the war for a significantly longer time and the US played only a brief role, but (as far as I know) that role was pretty vital.

It makes also no logical sense for the US to send troops into a war which is essentially won, but as I said I might be wrong here.

>>136039367
I found this, saying the Hoffman version is best:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wwi/comments/66x74t/which_translation_of_storm_of_steel_by_ernst/

>>136035463
I can't seem to find 'Ferting publishing'. Is that the right spelling?

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Absolutely, yes. Arguably the greatest tragedy in human history. So many good men slaughtered and traumatised beyond fathom, and for what? For an even deadlier and more horrific war to start again in twenty years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Pd527GN48

>>136041459
The Hoffman version is a translation of the 1961 edition.

Here you go
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/830605.The_Storm_of_Steel

You can find that version on Amazon if youre interested.

>>136041321
I just remembered a simulation that we did, my group was fake Germany, fake France had some gnarly fortifications and immediately defaulted to trench warfare, even with Austrian artillery. We held on multiple fronts but ultimately stalemated and backdoored by British navy, America wasn't even in the simulation. We were such a small part of it from what I remember in the lesson

>>136041591
Yes, back then, officers (the smarter ones) still led charges and got killed probably disproportionately. Much loss of good genes.

>>136041321
When the US came it had been planned to make coordinate offensives but the Americans didn't want to be mixed with other troops or fight immediately on the front. Their army was initially ridiculous, with only a bunch of inexperienced soldiers. I'd say they had more influence in the moral aspect, because they were very cheerful (ignorant of the war) with the population and it felt like we finally had an external support. But concretely they just helped to stop a German offensive for a few days before losing their positions, and then when the Germans launched their last massive campaign their role wasn't really vital.
The US entered the war because their boats couldn't circulate peacefully in the Ocean anymore.

They shortened the war but did not prevent a hypothetical defeat.

>>136032464
Technically, Mother Theresa will end up causing more suffering than WW1

>>136041928
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/830605.The_Storm_of_Steel

Perfect, thanks!

>>136042035
Interesting, thanks.

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>>136036215
>loosing

Why is retardation becoming a trend? I see shit like "loosing" several times a day now.

>>136038985
Exactly

Because there's no WWII, communism is never spread by the Soviet Union like it was in the real timeline, saving tens of millions from starvation and gulags (also no Korean War, or Vietnam War). France would be the one that becomes radicalized and fascist instead of Germany. However, because Germany would still own the region of Alsace-Lorraine (a very steel and coal rich area that in our timeline, they had to give to France) they would never have the resources to be capable of being a threat.

No Holocaust+the Middle East doesn't get it's borders drawn at random = no Israel pissing people off and no groups of people who hate each other forced to share a country. So the Middle East would be WAY more stable than it is today which probably also means no 9/11, no ISIS, and no never-ending war on Terror.

The only downside I guess if that the U.S would never have become this massive super-power that it is today. It would probably have remained very isolationist, but no one would be bothering us so it would probably be OK. Also Hollywood doesn't become as big, so maybe the world is less liberal (though much of Hollywood was and is run by Jews, so maybe the liberalism would have spread anyway just in Europe, who knows)

>>136042375
Is it grammatically wrong?
My first language is not English...

>>136042234
You should really pick up Louis Barthas "Poilu" while youre at it. He writes more about what happens behind the trenches, like what the soldiers like to do when they arent fighting. Junger really liked writing about attacks and went more into detail about the actual fighting and skirmishes.

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>>136042375
>Why is retardation becoming a trend? I see shit like "loosing" several times a day now.


the did germans did lose what the fuck are you talking about?
the got raped by the treaty of versiales had to give up land and germany capitulated.

had to pay millions in reperations and got mass inflation and degeneration during the weimar republic.

>>136042540

>No holocaust
>Implying there ever was one

>>136042745
Whether it happened or not, it definitely helped Israel get established

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>>136042035
Actually the USMC fought very well in the Battle of Belleau Wood. Mostly because unlike the US Army at the time, most of the Marines had combat experience.

>>136042926
Near summer 1918 the Americans started to be really helpful, numerous and qualified, but the war was already won at this point.

>>136042611
'Poilu'? Maybe I'll try to find it in a library. I get the sense that Junger will be grisly enough.

I've read some WWII Pacific memoirs, I forget which one it was, but one (not sure which!) beats all I've read as far grisly goes. I think it was by a rifleman (not Sledge, though his was great, too), where the author talks about sliding down some slope and it was all dead, rotten bodies.

>>136043310
The germans were starving yeah, but the French were at the limit too. With the Russians out of the war, the Germans could focus hard core on the French.

I think the defeat was inevitable. Unlike the Japs in WWII, the Germans weren't crazy and going to fight to the death. America just shortened the war. Plus, Wilson's 14 points looked pretty reasonable. Although that was all thrown out of the window in Versailles.

>>136043641
They did and start a massive offensive in March 1918, and failed. Then it was just a matter of time.

>>136042375
Get over it English spelling is far from intuitive. Be glad you can talk to so many foreigners in your native tongue. Did you know that not too long ago a requirement for any Master's degree (let alone PhD) was some other European language? Then people noticed that English was near-universal. We're truly privileged, Anglophone bro.

>>136043519
For some reason, the pacific theatre does not interest me that much. The eastern front was where it was at. I read some book about a norwegian guy serving in the FFL when they were fighting in Vietnam.

>>136033430
the civil war was pretty brutal for it's time.

>>136042569
'loose' is to release, untie, let fly.
'lose' is to not win.

It's not intuitive at all. English is supposedly easy to get started in, but hard to master. But, that's because England was invaded by all of its neighbors, so it's your own faults! :p

>>136042375
"Loosing" would be rather considered as an hypercorrection here, as the way the "o" in "losing" sounds like "oo" may seem illogical. But yeah, common mistake for non-native speakers.

>>136043826
Doesn't it feel weird, though?
To have no language to call your own.
No matter what the Brits would like to believe, no matter how much they protest,
the modern relevance of English rests on the shoulders of Americans.
If I were bump into someone who could speak Latvian in Argentina or Laos, it would be an event.
For you, to bump into someone who can speak English is an expectation at best and a relief at worse.

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>>136043940
The pacific front was fucking brutal, my grandfater served in the 8th Army and fought from 44 to 45. Had some terrible stories. I think the eastern front was far larger, but the pacific was more personal.

It became standard procedure to shoot the japs when the surrendered, because many of them would fake surrender than throw a grenade, or have a satchel charge under them. Plus the japs made it routine to bayonet the survivors. The favorite weapon became the flame tank. The Japs hated it and was one of the few things they actually would surrender from.

>>136032464
blaming germany blamed for ww1 when everybody chimped out was biggest mistake, treaty of versailles lead to hitler.

>>136044224
English spelling, illogical?

How would you pronounce, 'ghoti'?

Why, 'fish' of course!

'gh' from 'tough',
'o' from 'women'
'ti' from 'negotiate'

At least we don't have gender though. What's wrong with you Europeans, that you haven't gotten rid of that in your languages?
(this might be my last response, Google is starting to think I'm a spammer.)

The biggest mistake was the Romans banishing Jews from Judea after the Bar Kokhba revolt. They should have genocided them all or quarantined the region for good

>>136044773
Gender is exactly why trannies can't pull their pronoun bullshit here.

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>>136044705
Pretty much.. WW1 was terrible but the Versailles treaty was a bigger mistake.

Of course they couldn't blame the real culprit, since Austria-Hungary didn't exist anymore.

>>136039359
Friendly competition Holy fucking shit, top kek

Burger education TO THE MAX

Ever heard of the seven years war ? ever heard of the Napoleonic wars ?
or the 30 years war ?

German unification was necessary because all the cucks around wouldnt leave us alone.

>>136044957
kek

>>136044584
No secret language, unknown to outsiders? Yeah, would be nice.

What I /do/ do, is start using older, more idiomatic or Appalachian English to distinguish myself from foreigners, at least in my own mind, around Indians etc at work. ("No, I speak the /real/ English!")

It's truly sad to me that we're losing variety. It's like a bleached coral reef somehow. Useful though.

>>136044957
They try to implement a new way of writing which includes both genders in one word, kek.

>>136044773
>women
Not the same way you pronounce the "o" of "loser". But I'm just talking from my amateur viewpoint I'm not a specialist nor a native

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This is a British soldier according to a Swedish video game developer.

>>136046086
[we wuz's in bong]

>>136039367
The politics and nationalism certainly aren't removed from the book. Perhaps trimmed down slightly to make a more coherent story of the war itself, but nationalism was not at all the point of the story.