Wait,this cant be true...

>>136024366
The biggest threat to computer security is the thing sitting in front of it. I havent had any AV on my computer for 2 years, performance is immensely good for a 5-year old PC that hasn't even reinstalled Windows

>>136024366

i thought everyone already knew this

>>136024366
I think he meant that all anti virus softare does not and cannot work, and that it has been that way for years.

I could be wrong though someone double check

>>136024366
He means what he said.
>>136024514
Can't fix the human element with software yet

Swallow the linux pill /pol/

>>136024514
I can second this. Have been using PCs for 10+ years. Never had an active AV. Worst I've gotten on my PC was minor malware from sketchy torrents (which were 100% my own fault). Easily removed by running the free version of MBAM once before uninstalling it again.

>>136024642
This lel. Unless you're going to sketchy sites, opening attachements from unknown senders, or...clicking pop ups? Is that even still a thing, like those "you are the millionth visitor click here to claim your prize," type shit, then you're not gonna get a virus. Also install Linux.

>>136024644
Also
>selling it is a scam.

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>>136024366
Big if true

>>136024366
Can confirm, havent had AV on my computer ever. Just learn to open up task manager and see if anything is running that shouldnt be there. If so, find where it is located and delete it. Problem solved.

Also DONT INSTAL INTERNET TOOLBARS/EXTRA SHIT WHEN INSTALLING A PROGRAM

>>136024833
>install linux

what if i'm straight though?

>>136024366

The biggest thing that you're being told is if it's being sold, then their target is to capitalize on you.

So if some stupid company wants to sell you their AV or some shit, then they're capitalists and you should not trust them.

Source of info: Used to have windows XP before it was discontinued by Microsoft. Died 3 days after Microsoft ended support, HDD was working still, motherboard was not, so decided to keep the HDD and scanned it.

>>136024514

I agree with the first sentence. On my XP computer while it wasn't hooked to the internet, haven't had any AV installed because (no internet on it), but the motherboard was good in shape for 3 years for me until supported ended and the motherboard died. Kept my HDD in the end since microsoft discontinued support, fuck you Microsoft.

>>136024366
He's doing it to BTC/BCC too

>>136024514
>I havent had any AV on my computer for 2 years

This.

If you keep your OS up to date, keep your software up to date, and do not execute random binaries that you have downloaded on the internet, there is very little that can go wrong.

JOHN mcafee is just making himself look relevant talking about the AV industry go watch the shit he did in belize

>>136024366

So then can't he be sued for fraud? Since he had his name applied to a product which he knowing did not deliver on what it claimed to.

>>136024642
lol, lots of people are seriously technologically dumb. They don't even know how to adblock. The key to avoiding virus or bad shit is to always have your eyes on small details and ffs READ EVERYTHING but many people are too normie to do that. Never click Next mindlessly, never go to sketchy sites, especially never click on URL shorteners.

>>136024366
Reminder McAfee only wants women to poop in his mouth during sex.

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>>136024366
I don't use antivirus anymore
Do hacker even use viruses? Most the hacks I've seen were SocEng

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>>136024366
PC viruse protection is the biggest meme... All you have to do is utilize common sense...

>>136024366
when i was a kid my computer got a virus and these weird porn ads kept popping up and my mom and dad got mcafee and it fixed the problem so obviously it kinda works in a retroactive way

>>136024833
But sketchy sites are the best sites

>>136024977
That wouldnt work for viruses, they hide inside legit programs

>>136025143

Working in IT for a decade now and can confirm. In reality the way peoples accounts are compromised are by user ignorance and external servers outside of your control dropping the ball on storing user data which can still be circumvented by using simple one time use code authentication.

We are still having very dense users end up with ransomware on their machines and there is really nothing you can do to educate the old side of the baby boomers that have drugged their minds out.

>>136025143
the binaries thing is the biggest by far
as long as you don't run any suspicious EXEs and the like you are almost 100% protected from any viruses

>>136024514
Really only use AV because of porn and torrents, otherwise its unnecessary.

99% of the time a family member tells you they got a virus and dont know how, its porn related.

>>136024776
I swallowed the Linux pill 2 years ago and haven't looked back. Linux mint is almost exactly like winXP, except for it works out of box and doesn't crash as much.

>>136024644
So he's gay?

>>136024366
Yes, viruses are made to bypass anti-virus software. That means that you are only really protected after the anti-virus company finds out about the virus and adds it to their list. Only thing anti-virus software is good for is throwing out false positives and being annoying.

>>136025395
>there is really nothing you can do to educate the old side of the baby boomers

It may surprise you, but the average millennial is much more likely to get scammed online than the average baby boomer.

https://archive.fo/Gd97C

>>136024366
That no anti-virus suite can protect the user from themselves

>>136025514
Even for porn and torrent I don't need AV. Just check the torrent's popularity and comments and for porn, I go to forums for my need.
If someone gets AV from porn they're seriously a pornhungry retard who would click on the first penis enlargement link they sees.

>>136025387
Wow you're retarded and Argentinean.

>>136025020
BSD

Really makes me think the whole industry is just a big scam based on most people not knowing dick about how all of this works.

Has there ever been any evidence that these companies occasionally put threats on your computer or create false threat reports during scans to make you think you still need it?

>>136025531
>Linux mint
this, perfect for redpilling normies
lol, it even comes with shitloads of drivers so you dont have to install the hardware

>changed motherboard
>linux mint kept working like nothing
>win 7 wouldnt start
>had to install the drivers from the MB disc using a command prompt

>>136025387
yea Weather_Toolbar_v2.1.exe is totally legit if you know what I mean

if you have malware or adware, download MBMR to get rid of it
if you have virus, you are seriously a dummy who shouldn't be using a PC anyway

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You dont need it, but if you are paranoid, all you need is mbam free and virustotal.com. All the "active protection" shit does is data log you and slow your computer down.

>>136024366
To businesses, it's not a scam. Consumers? Yeah it's a scam. Businesses actually need that shit cause they're the bigger targets for shit. Consumers is low grade social engineering or some shit they have to look out for.

>>136025729
I'd believe it. When millennials say they are computer savvy, they mean they can surf the internet, google stuff and know how to upload pics to Facebook. Ask them how a computer or network works and they are dumbfounded.

Never had an antivirus in any of my devices since 1999. Never had virus problems

>>136025729

I wouldn't be surprised by that but irrelevant in my case since my users are almost all baby boomers across the spectrum. I notice trends based more on gender than age (women do the idiotic shit like messing up their browsers with coupon software, ransomware, clicking on whatever, etc) where as men are dangerous since they tend to try to fix issues on their own and wreck their shit with edits they read about online.

>>136025818
do you even know what a computer virus is?

>>136024366
It's not exactly true. It's true it can't protect you from something new, but it keeps your computer clean from all the shit that's always kicking around the internet. It's important for convenience sake, but it's not really a security measure.

>>136025968
>Weather_Toolbar_v2.1.exe
thats malware, not a virus
normies use the name "virus" for anything, but it is actually a specific thing

>>136026015
They're also probably way more likely to believe that someone sending them a message is legit because they're so used to communicating on social media. They don't have that jaded untrusting nature that boomers have when it comes to social media.

It's no coincidence that the only times I've had BSOD were the times I had AV installed. Seriously, get rid of that shit, it's a performance drain.

>>136025792
You're likely right.

also some fishy shit can hide in media files so download MediaInfo to see if a media file you downloaded is actually legit before double clicking it

>>136026015
>Ask them how a computer or network works and they are dumbfounded.

The CEO of my current employer used to write programs on punch cards in the 70s.

I also randomly was talking to some old geezer in the queue in the bank today, and it turns out he used to write COBOL applications decades ago before he retired, and he still gets called up every now and again by companies offering him fucktons of cash to maintain them.

A lot of old folks are more savvy because they're quite comfortable working at a command prompt, or have actually tried their hand at basic programming and stuff.

>>136025395
>>136025395
To add, people open up the most fucking obvious bullshit emails. They never read anything. It says it's from someone they know but you look at the email address and it's some shady site.

>Here is the invoice you asked for

Instead of stopping, thinking wait when did I ask so and so for an invoice? Why doesn't it have their signature? Try talking to the person first? Nope they go right ahead and download, open, forward it, everything but delete and ignore. Open it 50 times cause it's bullshit but wonder why it's not opening.

Then half the department is infected and everyone's pissed that you didn't prevent it or fix it fast enough.

God I hate IT

>>136024366
>> not using free AV software malwarebytes

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>>136026466
>malwarebytes
my nigga

>>136025395
It's not just boomers. I get questions constantly from people young enough to know I'm just googling the answer for them. It's baffling

I deleted SYSTEM 32 and my shit runs smooth as fuck. No viruses at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9VdPtd2Epo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9VdPtd2Epo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9VdPtd2Epo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9VdPtd2Epo


the anti-virus is a spy virus by the CIA-niggers

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>>136024366
It's only a scam now. Many years ago AV software was useful because the OS and browsers were shitty and allowed everything by default. Plus digital signing wasn't really used for anything either. So between all the exploits that could execute arbitrary code and the malicious applications that appeared to be legitimate, it was nice that some shit could be stopped by AV. It's simply far less less relevant now.

>>136026559
Kek someone will do this

>>136024366
For mac owners yes. Go ahead to delete and deactivate your wall and virus protection and see what happens on win ten

I once tried to clean a co-worker's computer but the computer was infected so hard it broke itself down after I ran malwarebytes

>>136026559
omg are you a wizard

>>136025293
I think his point is it's not useful for prophylaxis, but can be used to try fixing fuck ups.

That said, you can use free shit to fix it.

>>136026637
I agree.
If you work in a business environment, you might want some level of antivirus to remove files when stupid people download stupid files.
But at home, don't bother. Just don't be retarded and open dumb shit.

>>136025020
He said Linux, not Mac OS.

>>136024366
he's right, there are lots of reasons for this

>browser sandboxing (so what happens in the browser, stays in the browser, and if tabs want to escape the "sandbox" that the browser sets up they have to go through it, they can't bounce through something in an official library)
>browser protection in general (oy vey goyim, we're not going to let you browse that website)
>HTTPS (no more easy MITM, remember that it also offers message integrity as well as encryption)
>IPsec usage has increased
>sandboxes in technologies inside the browser
>flash has been mostly told to fuck off (this is a big one, if not the biggest one)


>ASLR (something in most OSes, basically it randomizes the memory addresses for different things at runtime so that malware can't just say "Kernel, go to X and put my thing in there" because it doesn't know where X is)
>ESP (the portions of memory responsible for holding executable code, which is stuff that shouldn't be manipulated with, are marked by the OS so that all attempts to write to them will be immediately rejected)
>OS based antivirus (windows defender is a pretty good option believe it or not)
>tons of small improvements that harden everything

>ISPs + law enforcement agencies have put a stop to large spam emails
>two factor authentication (it doesn't work all the time, but it prevents people from just trying "password123" and accessing your account without having access to your phone)


>>136026637
basically this. for some perspective, most common "cyberattacks" are simply just tricking people into executing dumb shit. there are malicious emails that literally say "Hey, open this pdf! Adobe will tell you that you're being a stupid cunt, but disable all of it's security features so that you can see my amazing cat photos!"

i love that gif, btw.

>>136026559
this works, it changes your computer to a 16 bit architecture so it works faster. now instead of handling 64 bits it only has to handle 16! simple!

I installed full Kaspersky on my parents' comp so I don't have to go fix it every month and so I don't have to worry about them doing dumb shit.

>>136025704
>That means that you are only really protected after the anti-virus company finds out about the virus and adds it to their list.
So you are, in fact, protected from 99.9% of viruses out there.

If you have any valuable content on your computer, you protect it. If you shitpost on 4chan, play games, and watch YouTube vids, yeah, you don't need anti-virus software. Hell, you can afford to do a clean install of Windows if you do get one. For me it takes roughly 10 hours to reinstall everything without a 1:1: backup.

Legit web sites and forums get hacked all the time and AVAST has saved me multiple times in the past few years. There's NoScript, but that is more annoying than a false positive every other three months.

ITT: People that have never done IT for normies.

When I do virus scans on people that have a decent AV (Webroot,KIS,nod32) they'll have maybe 15-20 removals. On people without it, there'll be like 600+. Most I've seen was 40,000 with 32 rootkits.

People are incredibly fucking stupid

>>136026925
>For me it takes roughly 10 hours to reinstall everything

Did you put an additional 0 in there by mistake?

>>136025212
>especially never click on URL shorteners.
Why not? Can I get a quick rundown?

>>136025729
It may surprise you but most people, regardless of age, can barely computer. Ask them to use Excel, or change resolution, or change their browsers homepage, and more often than not they'll be unable to do it

>>136027013

Most of that shit you find is harmless. I have saw more false positives than actual harmful items on a users machine.

Most of the shit that happens on our users machines would not likely be stopped from their AV in any case.

>>136027133
you don't know where the link is going

>>136026432
Or just use something based on gstreamer or ffmpeg (vlc, mpv) instead of fucking Windows Media player

>>136026925
>If you shitpost on 4chan,play games, and watch YouTube vid
You've obviously no idea how bad 4chan used to be.

>>136027133
never click on anything that is
>goo DOT gl
>adf DOT ly
>etc
You never know what's behind them. It might be some slav faggot turning his link into a seemingly innocuous URL that will infect your PC with script

>>136027013
>>136027013
how good is norton 360

Well, you just have to use an antivirus that keep stats for a few years and realize that most of the time "virus detected : 0 ; menace avoided : 0"

Unless you're a mongoloid or a child clicking on every shit that pops up on the internet, useless.

>>136027375
Worse than the malware it supposedly protects against.

>>136027090
Nah, I just use that many programs. Roughly 50 virtual instruments and effects for music, Adobe suite with multiple third-party plug-ins, FireFox plug-ins, dozens of drivers, uninstalling Windows 7 bloat and random security updates, etc. It's an absolute headache.

>>136024514
>>136024803
>>136024833
>>136024977
>>136025143
>>136025212
>>136025222
>>136025395
>>136025412
>>136025704
1. Still useful for misclicks
2. Yall don't work in cyber security fields

Its not 1998 anymore. There are very advanced exploits out there on some very mainstream sites. No clicking required.

t. An anon who cares

He's right. I just use windows firewall and do routine checkups with malwarebytes. I've been doing this for years and got ran some are once because I clicked on some dumb porn link years ago (which I promptly removed myself in safe mode). Antivirus are for retards that can't into common sense or computers.

>>136027339
never download anything from 4chan

Hello friends i am a Microsoft technician Daniel from Texas. You have a trojan zeus virus, but i can help you here. please reply to this post with "fix my pc daniel" and i will fix your virus.

Old news really. I use AVG free on all my PCs but ive never paid a dime to any antivirus software.
Only people that are computer dumb get viruses anymore. Isn't that right CIA?

>>136027445
Not necessarily true. What if said script or virus was made today and not put online? It wouldn't be in the database until if gets found

>>136026058
This, I work in IT and women install millions of toolbars, and one of our female stuff was dumb enough to fall for a phishing attempt and got her bank information stolen. While a male staff called me and said his display cable unplugged and he "fixed" it but nothing was displaying on screen, go up to his office to find he jammed the display cable into a USB port and chipped some metal off the cable connecting pins.

>>136027445
even then, if you're dumb enough to be clicking on shit that gets you infected, you're probably dumb enough to click "ignore" if the antivirus catches it

>>136027577
I downloaded a .mp4 from 4chan once - a video of a girl masturbating. So far no slav has come to my computer and asked for bitcoin in return for my files...

>>136027527
This, some anti virus also gives false positives to make themselves look good

>t.someone who is studying for CEH and other certs.

>>136027577
I rarely open embedded vids.

>>136027757
most threats are silent, dumbass

>>136027366
Can merely opening a link really infect your PC? Like, without even being tricked into installing something?

>>136027526
>misclicks

In what OS are you downloading and executing random binaries from the internet with a misclick?

>>136027726
I used to do tier 2 and can confirm people do this.

>>136027757
Most stuff is harmless, but there's always the exception

>>136027832
Sometimes I sneeze.

>>136027526
False, I'm a professional hacker.

>>136027830
Yep

>>136027829
lmao chill

>>136027830
nigga...

>>136027726
Use software restriction or applocker. Only let them run what is whitelisted and you'll have a much easier life.

>>136027526
But AV don't fix exploits so why install (btw I have linux).

>>136027946
Running metasploit does not make you a professional anything.

>>136027526
What is the best Anit Virus I can get then? Genuinely curious.

>>136026925
False, just because they're on the list doesn't mean they still can't be used against you. Any small change in the source code of the virus and the anti-virus won't block it.

>>136027526
This is INFOSEC shilling kiddos. Pure scare tactic. Cybersecurity is an (((echo))) of the past, so to speak.

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>>136024366
>What did John McAfee mean by this exactly??

If you have something really worth protecting you should keep it completely off network on an old computer

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/05/07/2034245/intels-remote-hijacking-flaw-was-worse-than-anyone-thought

Your computer has a computer inside that can bypass any firewalls and is listening to network even while powered down if still connected.

>>136024366
This was always pretty obvious to anyone with a brain.

>>136027726
I worked in the IT department of a big company and yes, I've seen some shit but it was mostly from old people. I got called because one had his num lock off and was telling me her keyboard didn't work, or one guy that had the monitor unplugged just for example.

>>136028049
What do you think this is, high school? My work revolves around hacking, lets just leave it at that.

>>136028003
How do you deal with devs?

I give them local admin on their machines and let them know they're on their own. If they fuck it up, I'll reimage it, that's it.

>>136028049
Anon, stop. You and I both know for a fact there would be no attack surface in properly engineered software. Any other perspective of it is pure shekel shuffling. You're lying to everyone.

Please start telling the truth instead of arguing a dialectic. You're better than this. KEKISTAN IS BETTER THAN THIS!

>>136028158
>My work revolves around hacking
>I scam 12 year olds out of their runescape loot

the post

>>136028032
they may not block the infection but still block the call outs. They can also be useful for removal of complex infections. Honestly running free avg and malwarebytes makes you invincible to about 96% of the internet. A pi hole is also effective and some common sense firewall rules.

>>136024776
>Swallow the linux pill
Stop telling people to do this! The reason it's secure is because it's obscure! No one's making malware for linux because no one's using it. Don't invite people in! Then the malware creators will start targeting my comfy platform

>>136027669
for a personal use I mean, I get the idea for companies.

for common people, it's just that the very low probability to get fucked by a virus is not worth the burden to install, update, deactivate everytime you want to do something "it" doesn't like, a fucking antivirus.

Would you wear an helmet everyday, everytime to avoid a concussion from a falling watermelon ?
I wouldn't.

>>136028055
Your ability to not click on things you don't know the origin

>>136027526
>use noscript and other security plugins
>when pornhub.com.xxx.is.israel.com.nsa.dod.cia.nsa.dia.xxx.is.tu.to.is.xxx.net.org.xxx attempts to redirects you to hoiausdukaag4woiugcdoiu54vwaiouxcbniuo5gy42box8.com simply close the tab

>>136027830
yes but these days it's rare. proper criminals run services to do that sort of thing.

>>136028227
>You and I both know for a fact there would be no attack surface in properly engineered software.
(You)

>>136024366
>What did John McAfee mean by this exactly??
Install Gentoo.

It’s nigh impossible to get any sort of virus if you have ublock and some sort of script blocker outside of being retarded and downloading porn.tiff.exe or having some retard on your network downloading a worm

>>136028003
The thing is I work for a state school in commiefornia, and we have"screw big brother" policies written everywhere since I work in a "liberal institution".

>>136025157
>go watch the shit he did in belize
He was the man other than that weird scat fetish and ugly bitches

>>136027497
If you have a spare PC lying around you might want to set up a Windows Deployment Server and use MDT to reimage over the network.

You could cut that down to about an hour or so.

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he's very clearly just shilling out whatever the fuck sentinel is by shading AV software. not the AV software works, but still

>>136024514
this so fucking much, you dont need anything expect for pre installed windows defender or not even that. Common sense is the biggest AV there is.

>>136028055
linux

I always had this theory that viruses are made by various people/company/jews to force people to pay for av

>>136027526
The only remotely good or useful innovation to come out of cybersec is the spam dnsbl. Prove me wrong.

>>136028372
Fair enough.

>>136028357
They won't have any issues until it starts eating into Macintosh profits. 95%+ of all malware/viruses were cause by apple so they could sell their shitty OS

>>136028158
>>136028227
I work in infosec as well. I've seen things.
>inb4 keyboard ptsd

I love my fellow anons and want to see them safe.

Wear your internet jimmy hats kiddos.

i mean basically all it does is find it and delete it, you could do it if you knew how to find it. it's more an app for connivence.

and the best anti virus is not being a fucking dumbass on the internet

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>>136028055

>>136028365
Well yeah, but the more stuff you do on a pc, you're gonna need a better "level" security. It's common sense

>>136028589
>shitty OS
>says the nigger who hasn't used anything but windows
you have zero ground to talk, windows is straight up nigger-tier, the bottom of the barrel, the lowest dregs of society use it, it's included on shitty chink laptops by default, literal entry-level garbage pleb shit with ads injected into everything.

>>136028669
*convenience

>>136028587
I run avast as AV. But I use a couple other tools for redundancies

>ITT noobs don't know about nsa/microsoft botnet

>>136028769
>t. Applecuck gets triggered by Windowsbro
I'm surprised you're even able to talk while gargling bottles of Steve Job's preserved cum.

>>136028620
How's that carpal tunnel?

>>136028769
Apple cuck detected

>>136028982
severe enough to earn me a pink liver.

>>136025219
I herd he also likes to take experimental recreational drugs

>>136028225
Virtual machines, maybe? That way they can spin up whatever environment they want, create snapshots, etc.

>>136028769
>ayyyy look at me I have to shell out 3k every generation cause I can't upgrade my shitty os with new components

If I got windows 7 am I gonna get ransomwared?

>>136024366
It works its just a very flimsy layer of security. normies need it believe me.

>>136028225
>How do you deal with devs?

I'll administer my own computer thank you very much

>>136028835
Use Panda. It's much lighter on resources and doesn't take over your whole boot process.

>>136029349
No. Just update your shit and set your firewall to block any any and then whitelist your games

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>>136029349
Nope, it's the best windows.

>>136026591
This. Every single antivirus software on the market is a botnet with read-write access on (all your files)

>>136029512
sheeeeit I just opened up my firewall to bitcoin core

>>136028769
>being an applefag
how does it feel to have aids?

>>136029641
Well then don't browse Russian websites

>>136029467
>Well it works on my machine. All you need to do is install these random dlls onto every device, oh and every user needs to run as Domain Admins with full read/write access to the root of the fileserver, oh and it only works when the network firewall is disabled

The post.

>>136024366
I used to work at a repair company that did courtesy scans of customer drives. His shit definitely doesn't work.considering the number of machines that had McAfee and a major infection.
True about the user being the weakest link though.

>>136029530
>sims 4
dude, its not even worth pirating

>>136024366
Common sense is the best antivirus

>helped someone with computer recently after it got completely assraped with malware
>all good
>say not to download sketchy shit, they say they "don't download anything"
>fast forward a few weeks
>"help, someone sent me this file for work and I can't open it"
>blank email with just a file named something like "important.zip" made to look like it's a PDF
>she downloaded five copies trying to open it
>ask "You were expecting a file from this person?"
>"No, but I know him"
Literally how are old people still alive. At least half of the country would unquestioningly open a mail bomb.

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>thread filled with /v/ babbies with le common sense xD antivirus

embarrassing that you retards think you're so smart
if you're using windows it's obvious you don't care about security in the first place
>b-but I followed a jpeg to disable telemetry

>>136028963
>>136029092
>>136029709
osx and ios are infinitely more secure, the wikileaks cia drop had no zerodays for ios 10+


once again /pol/ shows it has absolutely fuck all tech knowledge yet still thinks they're smarter than everyone else

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>>136024366
Any AV scan can be defeated by 10 lines of python. APTs are discovered in log auditing and machine intelligence / IDS systems. Anti-virus is OK for average home users, as it defeats mundane malware, but any security professional worth their salt knows that AV scans are not reliable in detecting threats in an enterprise environment.

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>>136029512
Elaborate

How do I block 'any '

>>136029497
Cool, thanks. I believe I turned boot scan off. My boot time is less than 3 seconds anyway

>>136024366
He means signatures are indexed much later when the damage is already done.

>>136030140
>using osx
>tech smart
>no 0 days

HA ha ha ha ha ha. Thx anon. Enjoy that California sun for me. Good luck with the aids.

>>136024366
It means what it says.
"Viruses" are "Programs" and it is almost impossible for a human or a machine to distinguish between these. Even advanced AI systems have trouble.

t. Linux user for 6 years

>>136030325
inb4 we never hear from this guy again

>>136024803
>I don't have a virus :^)

You stupid cunts do realize viruses that hurt your computer are a thing from the 90's, from pre-internet right?

Nowaday viruses monitor your computer and steal information without you knowing it in the first place

>>136030140
I use linux you nigger

>being an apple cuck
>literally wearing an iChastityCage

unironically gas yourself

>>136030325
Bro. If you haven't set firewall rules before you may want to spend 5 mins on jewgle first. And make sure you know how to whitelist things after you block all traffic.

>>136025968

A virus will hide itself within a windows or common software (like photoshop)

>>136029805
>All you need to do is install these random dlls onto every device

npm install

>oh and every user needs to run as Domain Admins with full read/write access to the root of the fileserver

only on dev server

>oh and it only works when the network firewall is disabled

Don't you know how to tunnel local host?

>>136025531
Linux mint is pretty gud on a dual boot.

I still haven't switched 100% because of muh vidya, it's really getting much better though. Tons of stuff runs on Linux now, only AAA games seem resistant to it so far.

The best antivirus was deltree windows. But then the virus evolved.

>>136030325
just get tinywall

REAL TIME PROTECTION AV STILL IMPORTANT, EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD IS TRUE THOUGH, AV IS PROBABLY MORE AGAINST US THAN WITH US AT THIS POINT.

>>136024514
I haven't had dedicated AV in like a decade. I do occasionally run superantispyware, malwarebytes anti rootkit, and a registry scan with ccleaner. But no background AV programs are ever running on my computer.
In those first six years I got a few viruses, most were easily fixable and I knew when and how it happened, usually caught my fuckup within minutes. I did get one rootkit which required a reformat. Four years now and nothing serious at all has happened.
Steam account got hacked, but that was because of one of the many yahoo email breaches. Some croatian motherfucker has hacked my steam twice now because he has years of purchase ids he stole from my email account. I've abandoned yahoo email and everything has mobile confirmation now, have a new bank cards, and making steam purchases with different credit cards or through paypal as well so I can accumulate proofs of purchase with different cards in my name.

Seems like everyone else in my family is always getting shit on their computers and they are way more "goodie" than I am, I'll totally admit right here that I go to shady websites.

>>136030464
i didn't say osx had no zerodays, but it is still superior in every way to windows

>>136030649
i use linux on some of my machines, congrats that you managed to follow the ubuntu installation instructions and now you think you're a computer pro
i don't own a single apple device so your banter is meaningless, but referring to it as an iChastityCage shows your complete lack of knowledge

once again, you faggots think you're so smart but you know fucking nothing about electronic security

http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/bypassing-antivirus/#gref

>yawn

>>136030860
Side note, one other reason I haven't fully switched is because I have an Nvidia Shield and I us it to stream via Plex and to play some games with friends off my pc in my living room on the couch.

Any Linux programs that do this? I'd like to watch my pirated shit but I have to be on windows to do this

>>136027830
Every time you visit a website of any kind, you download information from that site

>>136024366
The point he is making is that anti-virus software cant do its thing until the virus is identified and its signatures are recorded and send out to the clients. A new virus can fuck up the whole world before this happens.

>>136030856
>putting anything a dev recommends on any device, ever
>running anything on any dev server, ever
>Don't you know how to tunnel local host?

Don't you know how to write fucking standards compliant code?

>Oh hey guys, I need another VM with 1TB of RAM to accommodate my shitty fucking SQL queries which will invariably mean the service quitting unexpectedly every few days. Oh, and all devices are going to need to run Java 5.

I have never met a developer that knows a single fucking thing about networks, hardware or anything other than slinging together a fucking mess of bullshit c# they've downloaded from random blog sites and pointing it at a production environment. It's the only field I know of where 95% of current employees are completely fucking woefully incompetent.

>>136031583
counter point
Heuristic analysis

>>136031603
>I have never met a developer that knows a single fucking thing about networks, hardware or anything other than slinging together a fucking mess of bullshit c# they've downloaded from random blog sites and pointing it at a production environment
stop hiring indians and pakis

>>136031078
>referring to it as an iChastityCage shows your complete lack of knowledge

you cannot upgrade apple machines, nigger, their users are cuck slaves to apple, which they worship

only computer illiterates use those

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>>136024366
Not true at all, my antivirus just stopped an infec

>>136028553

what is sentinel anon?

>>136031870
The left eats itself?

>>136031716
counter point:
encrypted viruses in a metamorphic shell that can detect sandboxing

>>136024366

What do the experts of /g/ say?

>>136031818
we're talking about software and info/network security, what does adding more ram to your macbook so you can play games have to do with anything in this thread

>>136032132
/g/ is a consumer technology board for discussing video games and cellphones

>>136031603
ayyyyyyy

Im a dev and I see it in my industry....just know we are not all like that.

Here is some good reading about all those "highly skilled tech workers" we are bringing in to the US from India

https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/05/09/2019222/only-36-percent-of-indian-engineers-can-write-compilable-code-says-study

>>136032132
Reboot the system and call customer support.

>>136032132
>What do the experts of /g/ say?

>Mom, close the curtains! Lights getting in!

>>136032070
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3182816/security/pwn2own-hacking-contest-ends-with-two-virtual-machine-escapes.html

>>136032133
The discussion about OSX started because someone called it a shitty OS, and then some faggot came to whiteknight for it, then you came to keep whiteknighting

>>136031603
>I have never met a developer that knows a single fucking thing about networks, hardware or anything other than slinging together a fucking mess of bullshit c# they've downloaded from random blog sites and pointing it at a production environment. It's the only field I know of where 95% of current employees are completely fucking woefully incompetent.

You're a fucking noob.

>I have never met a developer that knows a single fucking thing about networks, hardware or anything other than slinging together a fucking mess of bullshit c# they've downloaded from random blog sites and pointing it at a production environment.

You're literally projecting

>>136024366
I turst McAfee. I've had more anti-virus programs from Kasperksy to Norton, all they do is slow performance, and they don't even protect your PC.
I built my computer two years ago, got some tech guys to help me with the specs and they intalled McAfee security with it. Runs smooth, never gets a virus.

>>136032070
Mmmm you really know how to talk to a Lady

>>136032132
>/g/
>experts
Yeah, he's right. The best way to prevent infection is to not be a fucking retard while using a computer. Any moderately priced malware will be undetectable for a minimum of about 2 or more weeks if only a few machines end up infected it's practically indefinite.

>>136024366
Didnt he got beat up or something last week

>>136032458
pointing out facts isn't whiteknighting. if you think windows is more secure than osx you're simply wrong, not really anything to argue about

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Reminder that if you haven't read at least half these books, your computer lisince should be taken away.

>>136030619
Half the time peope agree to this when they install software. Same with phone apps.

>>136032950
Thanks for the list Anon. I dig Tanenbaum books.

The only AV that seems necessary is Malwarebytes, and even then, I don't ever activate it. Google, of all things does shit for me.

>>136024514
Yeah I dont use anti virus either. Just add blocker and I know what I am opening.

Runs like a dream.

Yep

It's hyperbole, it does work, but it works so badly that most AV programs are worse than the viruses and spyware you are likely to pick up. At this point I just run the built in windows one because although it's not as effective as pretty much any other, it's lean.

>>136024776
Install Gentoo

>>136032919
>if you think windows is more secure than osx
never said that

>>136032467
>You're a fucking noob.
>You're literally projecting

0010 / 1010

Find a 1st level tech support monkey to explain it to ya

What

>>136024366
Because it can't prevent new viruses because they haven't been added to it's list. And for the most part old viruses that are blocked don't get pushed, only new ones.

>>136024366
Infosec professional here. What he is saying is true. Traditional av software relies on central databases of known virus signatures. Basically a file has to be identified as malware *to the company who owns the av product* and downloaded/distributed to all the clients. Then there is a scan that has to occur. If a virus doesnt match the known signatures all the checkmarks are green and the end user thinks they're safe. Meanwhile malware devs just use the same pieces of code and run them through hashing/salting programs to give their code new signatures. They automate this and do it every few minutes. The new hotness in "antivirus" is in-memory behavior analysis to see if a known CVE is being exploited or if system files are being modified.

>>136024366
You don't need an AV
All you need is Malwarebytes, just in case though

>>136032959
Lol what, for Amazon? If your work let's you carry a cell phone around you don't know shit about security

>>136025412
>what is an exploit kit?

>>136032959
Server room
Could be a IT Maintenance
Could be a TV Station Janitor
Could just have spent to much on a desktop

>>136032959
Ooooh look at meeee I took a picture in front of a computer rack with an out of focus keyboard. Believe me, I am an internet expert.

>>136025387
lol retard

>>136024366
what is anti-virus software ?

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>Reading this thread

>Credit card details
>Document scans
>Bills
>Social media accounts
>E-mail accounts

All generates massive revenue. Shit, one legit passport scan sells for $20, easily. And you can resell that thing over and over again.

No fucking wonder the market is so fucking massive, with idiots like you people.

>>136024366
>What did John McAfee mean by this exactly??

He wants you to install gentoo

>>136032950
I read bottom right on a regular basis. The ending always gets me.

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Seem to have some experts here.

How good is windows firewall at stopping shit?

By defaults it alows all outbound connections except those blocked by the rules, but I set it to block everything by default except my browser. Will this actually help protect me or am I just making life difficult for myself?

>>136033835
It will block a lot of shit. If you do manage to pickup a Trojan it'll stop the exe from calling out

I've been AV free since I started computing in the mid 90s. The ONLY times I ever got hit with any infections, was during my young and reckless phase of pirating software and running keygens/patchers. Once I stopped that shit in the mid 2000s, I have not been infected since. My computers have been running flawless with super clean installs and I keep tabs on what's running in the background at all times. No rogue processes ever. Furthermore my system isn't bogged down by a real-time virus scanner slowing down every single task the system performs.

Oh you want to extra a 1000+ file archive? Watch it take quadruple the time because every single file operation has to be searched by the TSA of computers before it can do what it wants.

Trying to play a new game on Steam and it has to run dxwebsetup first? Lol Microsoft what's that? Let's scan every single file pulled from Microsoft's servers because we can't trust them. Now your directx updater will take several minutes instead of a few seconds.

Fuck antivirus software. It's for literal retards who can't into computers. And as luck would have it, this is the perfect crowd to market to.

>>136033451
I know a guy who knows a guy who used to spread spyware on a massive scale. The UD stays undetected for about 7-14 days, at which point one AV service notices the fuckery, and then every other AV catches on.

So you'd rather have someone lurking your system on a permanent basis, than throw them out after 7 days?

Creating something that manages to stay UD for more than 14 days requires so much fucking time that it's not worth it when spreading it on a massive scale, but only if you target one important fucking target.

And the more people you infect, the faster the AV services will figure out what it is.

>>136024366
so he got rich selling hes shit product and now is telling the same people who purchased it years before are stupid

>>136026868
t. someone who's taken 1 "computer security" class in college and thinks they're an expert

Flash is still one of the biggest infection points for exploit kits.

>>136033835
Oh and for the record i have my Windows box set the same way. So far no issues. It's worked well enough that i haven't thrown down on a hardware firewall.... yet

>>136024366
Nigga knows about Intel's Active Management Technology.

>>136033835
Its like any other port/protocol based firewall, only running as a service on windows. Its better than nothing but if you have port 53 open for dns purposes, for instance, someone could still tunnel a ssh session over port 53 if you have malware listening on that port on your pc. Its way better than nothing, but the beat defense against malware is user training. Learn to identify phishing emails, dont click links if they look suspicious, and block javascript on your browsers. Noscript is indispensible.

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>>136033472

>signatures
>hashing
>salting
>behavior

>mfw I failed C+.

>>136033835
Windows firewall bypass (stays undetected) is almost a default when people sell their malware to scriptkiddies.

The most useless fucking code can stay undetected for years, meanwhile every other AV worth its salt discovered that thing.

>>136034328
He was writing AV during the MS-DOS days, it worked then.

He hasn't been invloved in the company in decades.

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>>136033451
>>136034229

>AV companies create viruses that spy on people and shit just so their software can recognize it.

>Like a really corrupt vaccination for your computer

RABBIT
HOLE

>>136024366

>What did John McAfee mean by this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

>>136033315
I have. It was the first time I ever had to compile my own kernel

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Most AV suites and malware scanners have been nothing but low key telemetry and data gathering services. Only idiots get a "virus" anymore and as anyone with a brain knows it usually happens when ignorant people do sketchy shit. The people who don't even check the URL on hyperlinks when using unfamiliar sites while not blocking popups and java...

>that cunt who registered the WannaCry sandbox detection URL just got arrested by the FBI and has been served an indictment for creating Kronos

>>136034328
He denounced his own AV company years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

>>136032009
He misspelled sentience

>>136034660
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3912520-Marcus-Hutchinson-Indictment.html
it's not an exploit kit i promise

>>136024514
>>>136024776 >>136024803 >>136025091 >>136025143 >>136025514 >>136027526 >>136028555 >>136030996 >>136033169

These are the same kind of people who don't believe in vaccines nor washing their hands before eating and after pooping.

>>136034455
Then let's hear your explanation, pajeet.

>>136034532
Used to be the case. Now the market for CC fraud alone is worth more than the global drug trade.

Like I said earlier, one passport sells for $20/a piece, and can be resold several times. And there's no shortage of demand. Everyone needs it to commit crime under someone elses identity.

>>136034552
(Re)Install Gentoo

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>>136032132
/g/'s spirit is dead, it's all about consumer electronics and GPU flamewars and /v/ermin shitposting
The techloli/g/y and /prog/ spirit is long gone

Also
>winfags
get out of my /pol/

>>136034422
>Its better than nothing but if you have port 53 open for dns purposes, for instance, someone could still tunnel a ssh session over port 53 if you have malware listening on that port on your pc.
I do not know half the words you used.

Where can I learn about these things?

>>136034817
Ass. You quoted me by mistake, I've been advocating defense in depth for an hour in this thread so the newfags don't get pwned.

>>136025091

Windows Vista master race here.

Has not been supported with any security updates in two years.

>>136035007

Ports and tunnels are basic bitch shit go read a book.

>>136034898
(you)

1) Yes it does work, it's not bulletproof but heuristics are heuristics and will catch some viruses

2) No you're not safe from malware because you only download things from 'trusted' authors. Petya leveraged Eternalblue and was spread through MEDoc's compromised update servers. It was legitimate software, there was no dodgy link or untrusted .exe

3) If you have anything dialing out through UPnP (which you most likely do if you don't know the specifics of what UPnP does) it can be compromised and malware can be moved onto it within 20 seconds and from there it can either be laterally moved to the rest of the network or otherwise get back to CNC and allow your network to be compromised whenever.

>>136028357
>what is Linux/AES.DDoS, Linux/XOR.DDoS, or any other number of APT linux malware?

>>136035137
Thanks I needed that

>>136034817
>don't believe in vaccines
the complete comparison would be, dont get vaccinations because it doesn't always work and has negative effects, and instead isolate yourself away from other people and make sure you only have contact with healthy people when you have to.

>>136035007

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model

Layers 3 and 4. Ports are layer 4 and protocols are layer 3.

>>136028415
I've seen droppers come from ads on completely innocuous websites. All it takes is an ad ring to be compromised.
Also AV is useful in a corporate environment to protect against users essentially. You might not be an idiot and click on stupid shit, but that doesn't mean the idiot next to you won't.

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>>136025395
>>136025143
>>136025412
Fucking hell, you guys are still living in 2005 with Jenna_Jameson.mp4.exe being the most vital threat.

Let me spell it out for you in an easy way:
>Hackerman finds a vulnerable site
>Hackerman makes it so that said site launches a script when you come visiting
>Hackerman now has access to your computer

And no, it's not just fringe websites that are vulnerable. And the best part? Businesses won't admit it and warn their users when they discover the intrusion, because it'd be bad for business.

>>136028567
Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!

>>136024366
Well no anti-virus actually works. Think of it this way, a hacker opens a door and shits all over you, oh dear, you're covered in shit.. well the anti-virus program will clean you up good and change the locks to that door! It won't be opened again, promise.

What's that? The hacker found another door? This is the 54th one this week. Well no worries, you're covered in shit and the damage is done but you'll be cleaned up and have the locks changed again.

Moral of the story
>hackers hack
>anti-virus clean up their mess

Nothing else to it really.

>>136035610
just run noscript

>>136032649
I work in penetration testing ;)

>>136032363
If you think that's bad, not only can viruses escape sandboxes, but they can sandbox you, the user. You can set up the host OS as a virtual machine, with the virus as a hypervisor and the user will never be able to tell that they're living inside the Matrix.

>>136025020
Dumb mutt

>>136035800
I do. But normies will never do that. Everything they devour on the internet uses java or flash.

>>136024514
>>136024803

I second this. Have been using a PC for 25+ years. Never had an active AV.

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>>136035485
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
Linking simple wikipedia for uncultured fags is better

>>136035007
For the other words...
DNS is the service that allows you to map ip addresses (192.168.53.458) to textual addresses (www.google.com)

>tunnel a ssh session over port 53
ssh is a software that allows you to remotely control a shell on a computer so you can work on shit there
the act of connecting a client to an ssh daemon on a computer is called "tunneling"
If you have some virus which opens an ssh daemon/server on a computer, for example, it'd be possible for the attacker to remotely connect to your computer and control the filesystem

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>>136024366

>>136034422
>if you have port 53 open for dns purposes, for instance, someone could still tunnel a ssh session over port 53 if you have malware listening on that port on your pc.
Why on gods green earth would you open udp/53 or tcp/53 inbound? No user is going to be running a DNS server.

>>136035485
>the fucking OSI model
i'm sorry about your autism

>>136035492
>All it takes is an ad ring to be compromised.
well then run adblockers. nobody who can find their way to this shithole has an excuse for not using one, and no sysadmin should ever refuse to deploy an adblocker enterprise-wide.

>Also AV is useful in a corporate environment to protect against users essentially.
well of course. but there's also an expectation that the network will be secured in other ways. at least use sysmon and nmap once a week. AV isn't the be-all and end-all.

>>136035859
i'm familiar with this concept but i'm not familiar with the details. how do you pull a *teleports behind you* on a live OS to set up a hypervisor? just tricks with the BIOS?

>>136035184
>I spent money to go to college for "IT" the post.

>>136032070
>detect sandboxing
Getting harder to do that now. Talos had some interesting stuff about this a year or two ago that I saw.

>>136035859
ever do in person penetrations? Those are the best(*

>>136024366
The way (most) anti virus works is it looks for certain arrays of bytes in files. If it finds some of them that correspond to a typical virus, it flags that file. This method can be bypassed by any serious hacker. In fact as a practice i used to write software that would open up a port or delete a system file and get 0/38 (or however many) on virustotal.com

t. computer security fag

>>136036367
>in person penetrations
every night with your mom

>bazinga

>>136024366

AVG won't save ur ass from NSA/CIA/MICROSOFT collab backdoors.

Read vault 7

>>136036434
Not to mention that AV can't cure stupidity *cough cough* John Podesta.

>>136030716
t. someone who doesn't know what a signed PE is.

>>136036123
>there's also an expectation that the network will be secured in other ways
Granted, but that doesn't excuse going without endpoint security.

>>136024514
>>136024803
>>136035978
I second this. Have been using a Difference Engine for 125+ years. Never had an active AV.

>>136036120
It was an example, autismo. Calm down.

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>>136024514
Im still using Common Sense and upgraded it recently to ver 2017.08
Been working great since I started using it 2009.
Best part is its free

>>136036123
>how do you pull a *teleports behind you* on a live OS to set up a hypervisor?
Only thing I can think of would be creating an image out of the user's system (which would take a fuckload of disk space) then running it on OS boot (post-load) after messing with startup programs, I guess... but that would be easily noticeable. Would work better if you treated the user's documents and files as a shared folder and only sandboxed the critical parts of the system...?

>>136036725
My point is that you generally won't have anything open inbound.

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>>136024776
>>136024833
>>136025531
>>136025966
>>136026856
>>136028032
>>136028567
>>136030487
>>136030649
>>136030860
>>136031078
Linux is the ultimate cozy OS

>>136036975
I get your point. You're still an autist for not understanding it was an example explaining how windows firewall worked to the poster asking about it.

>>136036868
i suppose that you could just write a small wrapper that the BIOS loads. have it run windows and communicate with the attacker.

>>136037222
But it was a bad example. Hence my objection.

>>136036868
1) What is the most common type of exception in infosec?
2) What happens to the kernel when you trigger that exception?
3) Isint that a great time to install your hypervisor?

Oldfag here, over 25 years in IT.

He is kind of right, offset-based detection is pretty much useless for new variants/custom written/randomstub but heuristic AV is pretty good at catching uncatalogued stuff. Plus, offset-based detection prevents boatloads of scriptkiddies using netbus to send you popup maymays.

AV is like a condom. If it slips off, it does't work, but it's better than never using one. Security is a layered approach. Common sense+AV+etc.. will save you at least once. If it does save you just one time, it was worth it.

Don't pay for the shit though.

>be me
>get virus
>oh no
>run Kaspersky
>virus gone

Explain

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>>136025531
>mint

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>not watching the nastiest porn you can think of just to throw the hackers off

>>136032950
>ancap flag
>wants government intervention for computer usage
kys

>>136037183
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

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>>136037310
Looked into the Rootkit wikipedia page, and it seems that it'd actually be at any time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit#Hypervisor_level
>Unlike normal hypervisors, they do not have to load before the operating system, but can load into an operating system before promoting it into a virtual machine.

>>136037443
1) Stack/Buffer overflow, I guess?
2) Kernel panic, normally, when data ends up being corrupted.
3) I suppose... sounds more juicy to simply attack unprotected systems/users which allow software to run at administrator level: you'd have a bigger audience anyway.

>>136035485
DoD model > OSI model

>>136034817
>These are the same kind of people who don't believe in vaccines nor washing their hands before eating and after pooping.
>nor washing their hands after pooping
So, Mexicans?

That's true because if an antivirus could tell 100% of the time if a program is a virus or not, then it would be able to solve the halting problem, which is known to be undecidable.

It would also mark every compiler as a virus since a compiler can build a virus given a certain input, as well as every software that is exploitable to inject code in it.

Now imagine if you had a software that could automatically find every exploit possible for any piece of software without even needing the source code, what you could achieve.
The perfect antivirus is also one of the biggest threat to mankind. Actually, it wouldn't even reach the stage of being an antivirus before being a dangerous threat, far greater than any nuke.

Anyway, this means that current antivirus are shit at identifying new threats. There's already many publicly disclosed unpatched exploits on Windows that allows a process to disable any antivirus without requiring admin privilege.

>>136035610
Need a browser/plugin exploit in there.

>>136035733
Retard.

>>136027577

>not downloading rare merchants

>>136037992
well yea, most compromises are the result of automated attacks on unpatched systems.

>>136038218
>implying you actually know

Cpt. Autism.

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>>136038449
And it won't end anytime soon. Praise IoT

>>136036004
>the act of connecting a client to an ssh daemon on a computer is called "tunneling"
No, tunneling is using one protocol to carry another protocol from the same (or lower) level. e.g. HTTP over SSH

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This thead is full of shills organized on one of their Discord servers to sell you waterpoof iPhones and help you make really cool crystals.

Obviously you can keep your computer safe and clean by not ever using it to have any fun or do anything unexpected. If that's your thing then you are part of what has reduced the Internet to a game console experience, with every website you visit and every piece of software you use inspected and certified by a central authority.

McAfee's AV product has been garbage for many years, so he is now trying to sell a new product, a ridiculous one that involves a lot of new hardware, but that won't stop enterprise customers from licking his balls. Part of his strategy is to explain away his old shitty product while creating interest in his new product, by trashing the entire industry where he is washed up and forgotten.

No, you don't need antivirus if you use your computer as a glorified WebTV.

Yes, you do need to protect yourself if you want to visit websites you've never heard of, try software written by people who don't have blue checkmarks, or ever have a respectable anime collection.

>>136037551
The ones arguing against AV is using the argument that since you've already had the virus for a few days or weeks, it's useless to get rid of it that late in the process.

Which is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

>>136038587
I have yet to read the full thing but here is the proposed legislation currently in the US congress.

Like I said, I havent read it so I cant provide any personal or professional opinion on the veracity of the proposed legislation.

https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/pressreleases?id=06A5E941-FBC3-4A63-B9B4-523E18DADB36

>>136037222
You're an autist for continuing to defend your shit example.

>>136037716
>wants
I dont want it,but that doesnt change the way it is. Although I quess it should be called an internet lisince (the one you have to show the ISPs to get internet)

>>136034552
Install bsd

>>136037524
>Security is a layered approach.

Thistbhfamalam

>>136034817
I was skeptical of them until you posted this. You guys should really try harder you're getting fucking predictable.

>>136038587
>>136039233
nvmd, its garbage

"require that devices purchased by the U.S. government meet certain minimum security requirements."

it only applies to things sold to the US government. Things sold to the US consumer can still have all those things.

Sometimes, I really hate that people in congress can be so oblivious about infosec

>>136027830
Oh my sweet summer child.

>>136039227
No you don't.

.t no firewall/av since 09 on my compy.

P.S. ive torrented every piece of software on it.

>>136027830
>Can merely opening a link really infect your PC? Like, without even being tricked into installing something?

If you're using a modern intel or amd CPU you're already backdoored.