Star Trek Utopia societies would be the death of humanity

>>136017558
>Are we simply supposed to come up with great ideas when we're comfortable and not facing any sort of threat or adversity?

Superintelligent AI. And yes, they still do scientific research in star trek.

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>>136017558
You clearly know nothing about the Star Trek universe. They didn't simply arrive into a utopia because of communism or some shit like that. Commies and socialists actually destroyed most of the planet in WW3. An anarcho-capitalist named Zefram Cochrane hollowed out an detonated ICBM and used it to construct the first warp vessel. What were his motives? Money and bitches. The utopia came after they acquired replicator technology. Even after that, trade and currency are still things in the Star Trek world. Replicated goods are considered stale and of very little value outside of the basic essentials. People prefer cooked food over replicated food. People prefer hand-made sculptures over replicated sculptures etc. Half of the TNG episodes were about the importance of individual liberty and things like free trade. The commies were always the villains (IE, the borg).

>>136017558
Humanity should be purging xenos and fulfilling their manifest destiny as rulers of the galaxy instead of coexisting with lesser lifeforms

>>136018060

I know exactly how they arrived there, through conflict. They now have zero conflict and lots of technology. While they still support individualism and not collectivism, economically speaking they are not capitalists since humanity does not have a currency or an exchange of goods (Roddenberry's idea mentioned early in TNG) except for when it's convenient to get the ((Ferengi)) involved with ((latinum)) or because the plot needs to involve trade with other species. In other words, an economy and exchange of goods only exists when it's convenient to the plot, overall the canon of humanity is that once replicators were created they no longer participated in an exchange of goods for services and as a species instead worked not for pay, but for the "greater good".

If their problems were solved and they did not participate in warfare, expansion, and exploration they would die as a species, or stagnate until a stronger race came along and obliterated or enslaved them.

>>136017710

They still did scientific research in the dark ages, but the entire premise for their thoughts was built on ancient teachings and knowledge. Anyone who deviated from that was a heretic or a lunatic. You can run research experiments for years on how potatoes can be used as batteries, it's still a fucking waste of time and not going to push any boundaries like only conflict can.

>>136018576
>They now have zero conflict

Star trek is full of conflict with other races/beings.

>>136018936

Yes, now imagine this sort of society existing in reality, only there aren't a bunch of alien species out there for us to compete against. We make it to X level of technology and then all of our problems are solved and we never have to fight each other again. What happens to our species?

>>136017558
The federation was constantly at war tard

>>136018060
This. This is absolutely correct. Under the veil of appearing to be an anti-individual, pro communistic show lies a mockery of modern liberalism. And, most people are too dumbed down to see it.

The "we have evolved beyond money" thing was a sop to Roddenberry's politics and a background plot point to explain why these humans were out flying around the galaxy fighting with other species instead of each other. Trekkies try to explain it the way they try to explain warp drive or transporters, but you really can't, because it was never meant to be more than a handwave.

DS9 showed that it didn't make sense, because it was stationary and had to deal with ongoing interactions between peoples. For instance: Bajor had a little revolution over a dispute over soil reclamators, because the Federation could only give them 5. Why? Why not just replicate 5 more, or 5000? Sometimes the writers throw in that something can't be replicated, but that doesn't make sense either. First, why not, and second, if there are a lot of things that can't be replicated, then you *don't* have a post-scarcity society.

Taking it seriously is just dumb, like trying to *explain* the Force in Star Wars by introducing midichlorians. It just works; go with it and enjoy the story.

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>>136019221

See above comment faggot

>>136020005

My point isn't about whether or not star trek makes sense. My point is that idolizing a society free of conflict and scarcity is idiotic in the first place because those are the only things which drive innovation and improvement.

>>136019221
>star trek has no conflict!
>ok star trek had conflict, but no current conflict
>fine star trek has current conflict, but imagine theres no-one else to have conflict with!

Move the goalposts just a little further you're almost right

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>>136020005
thats right and thats why i prefer the wh40k universe, its much much much more realistic and not only can you take it serious, you should take it serious.

>>136020412
by that logic the shitholes of the third world would "drive innovation and improvement", which they clearly do not.

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>>136020840

I wasn't trying to have a literal discussion of Star Trek episodes you hyper nerd, which is why I used words such as:

>People chase and search for a utopia like you would see on Star Trek where all of humanity has solved base problems (food, materials, crime).

I'm not trying to hold a discussion about their interactions with aliens and whether or not the show portrayed conflict, which by the way it always portrayed from the perspective of humans as a negative thing that humans were trying to end, quell, and avoid.

Human beings who get along and have no reason to compete with one another will stagnate and die, and a society such as Star Trek is a fucking pipe dream which is unattainable without the introduction of McGuffin species to fight against.

>>136020840
retard

>>136021701

Thousands or even just hundreds of years ago sub-saharan Africans did not have enough motivating factors for innovation. Petty disputes over mud huts will drive some innovation, but not much. Africa as a continent was rich and plentiful with year round growing seasons and lots of animals. Desperation on the scale of what Asian and Europeans faced were not the same, and African population was never put in nearly as much direct competition for control of vital areas and resources as everyone else.

Today they don't innovate with their extreme strife because they have gibs. When you got gibs why would you need to make a move? Just keep shooting each other, taking the other guy's gibs, and then when things start going bad more gibs will roll in.