NORDCUCKS BTFO

>>136003239
She's turk

it literally states in no uncertain terms that they are turk rape babies though

>>136003239
>MODERN GREEKS = ANCIENT GREEKS
Back in the days they didn't leech Germoney though

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>>136003383
>a literally shitskin rapebaby calling someone else non white

Greeks are way more pure blooded than you are ahmed

>>136003598
Back in the days germans were hunters and gatherers while we were busy with philosophy, science and the nature of jesus christ. Christianity, which civilized most of northern europe, was formulated in istanbul.

>>136003881
WE WUZ PHILOSOPHERS N SHIEEET

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>>136003239
Better link

>http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

>Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other, although the two cultures spoke and wrote different languages.

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>>136003383
How does it feel that the founders of western civilization wouldn't have passed your autistic white test?

>>136003239

The Myceneans were roughly 50/50 indo-european/cro-magnon hybrids just like all Europeans.

The Minoans might have been fully cro-magnon, but I'd have to look it up.

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>>136003946
>>Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes

How varg shitkernes and his fag will recover?

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html?foxtrotcallback=true

>inb4 buttblasted nordcucks WE WUZ KANGZ

>>136003383
Where? Couldn't find it anywhere in the text.

>>136003930
You seriously pig-nosed northern europeans think you founded civiliziation etc? Hahaha.

>>136003239
>SOME MODERN GREEKS = SOME ANCIENT GREEKS
... BUT NOT *ALL*, FAGGOT PLEASE

>>136004157

I looked it up, and apparently Minoan writing at least is completely unrelated to any Indo-European written language, so they could have been an entirely cro-magnon culture.

>>136004298
"Northern Europeans" are responsible for Canada, Australia, New Zealand, USA, etc. So, outside of Europe, yes. And Turks are not European nor white.

>>136004171
It doesn't. Muh turkish or arab rapebaby meme is something these guys refuse to let go of no matter how many genetic studies and artistic/historic evidence proves them wrong.

>>136004658
Nah, we are the descendents of Greeks, who founded the civilization unlike pagan barbarians.

>>136003598
maybe you should take a look at the whole situation with the southern-euro states instead of believing your state propaganda
Germany/the EU is the reason why greece is colapsing in the first place

>>136003239
yEA, 1000 years of turkish muslim occupation didnt leave a mark at all

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>>136004626
Minoan writing was the Linear A.Nobody knows how to translate it

It's successor is the Linear B which was used by the Greek Mycenaeans

So basically Modern day Greeks is a mix between Proto Greeks,both Minoans and Mycenaeans

>>136004758
WE WUZ GREEKS. T*rks are arguably the most barbaric people ever to be associated with Europe.

>>136004095
Western Civilization involves much more than just fancy pants marble buildings.
Northern European language, philosophy, psychology etc. are the only things keeping Western civilization alive.

based Hideo kojima for discovering DNA.

who the fuck cares, all these countries are pure garbage today,

what matters is that i dont have mud blood on me

>>136003239
oh, nice.

.. wtf does that have to do with me?

>>136003343
A good amount of turks are greeks in denial. Those who have white skin, caucasian features and wavy hair are defenitely greeks

>>136005086
>scandinavian philosophy
>scandinavians useful

nice joke

The races of civilization builders is between Italy to Greece to Anatolia to Levant to mesopotamia to North India to east Asia. These are the only peoples to have had civilization for thousands of years. Nords and Africans would still be chimping out in the jungles and forests if not for us spreading civilization to them. Nords might look the furthest from niggers because of their blonde hair and pale skin but they're basically nigger tier intelligence on a genetic level. They were the last of the caucasiods to develop civilization and have never had a meaningful empire or writing system of their own. They're low intellect savages.

>>136004940
It didn't . Any mixed babies would have went to the Turks because Islam. Turks have Greek mixture but Greeks have no Turk mixture. Sorry genetics have btfo your nord fantasies

>>136005248
>Implying Sir Francis Bacon was not Northern European
Get your head out of your ass

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>>136004940

Actually it didn't.There is not even one proof for that claiming

And it has a simple explanation.The ottomans had only military occupation in Greece.Like US have in Afghanistan today.They didn't colonize Greece like Europeans did with America

And it's actually the other way around.Modern day turks has a very big Greek admixture.Mostly because of the Janissaries

>>136005046
>T*rks
.. and what's with the * replacing letters? I see it all over, novel way of insulting?

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>>136003383
>>136004940
>>136005182
>>136005531

>>136003239

Looks like cobie smulders

>>136005531
One Turk used to spam BBC/Turk superiority threads and use "wh*Te" instead of "white". A lot of people do it now, with anything, really.

>>136005248
England, land of the Angles. Same southern Scandinavian Angles that, together with the other Scandinavian tripes, the Saxons and the Juts founded your country when your Roman foster parents discarded your Briton ancestors.

pretty useful, I'd say.

>>136003881
>Christianity, which civilized most of northern europe
Oh eat a dick you dumb cunt

>>136005604
this is one odd strawman, kind kangaroo. Where and when did northern Europeans claim Greek ancestry? We don't look alike, we speak languages of entirely different branches and our cultures are different.

I don't get it.

>>136005604
It's funny cuz you put a white with a nigger-shaped head so he obviously doesn't look like a maditerranian.

>>136005691
hmmm...well, makes zero sense.

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I met a Greek girl 2 years ago. She was pretty aryan and also a qt

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>>136005728
What do you not understand? You were hunters we Christians brought civilization and you became literate for the first time in your barbaric history.

>>136006518
stop larping faggot turks ere a bunch of goatfuckers that apropiete everything they could hile they kpt fucking their goats

>>136006518
>we Christians
he wrote, from a Muslim country.

kæk

Haha mad nordcucks crying all over this thread.
Stop with this "muh Nordic ancient Greeks" autism and go deal with your wives that suck Mehmet cock.

Stupid snowniggers assblasted, best time of my day so far.

>>136006660
There are Greek Orthodox monasteries all over my hometown.

>>136007027
>Stop with this "muh Nordic ancient Greeks"
who ever claimed this in the first place? Where does the idea that Scandinavians claim Greek ancestry come from?

we don't have Greek ancestry, we have shit all in common with Greeks, modern or ancient.

>>136007196
and? Turkey is still Muslim. There's Mosques all over the US too, but last I checked USA claimed to be a Christian nation.

>>136003598
Back in the day when Germans weren't Jews, borrowing money to buy out countries in trouble.

>>136007204
You really need to lurk more, literally every day there were threads saying ancient Greeks were nords and that modern Greeks are Turks.

Yea she is a women of color, shes green!!

>>136005239
turks are now white
The absolute fucking state of this board

>>136007204
> Where does the idea that Scandinavians claim Greek ancestry come from?
Well see Varg for example.He claims that ancient Greeks were Nordics like him.Im quite sure that quite a few other Nordics make the same claims as he does.

>>136007324
seriously? I don't come here that often, so you're probably right.

I've never heard any one from part of Europe claim that, though, neither layman or historian or whatever. It's an absurd claim, would be like some Balkanese trying to claim Inuit ancestry.

>>136007561
Varg is a rambling idiot, I fail to see why anyone takes that fool seriously.

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>the average Greek/Roman before turks

oh look people migrated to europe from africa through middle east. what a surprise

>>136007561
The ruiling class were Nordic. You see this still to this day. Look up the Greek Royal family. A large portion of the population also aquired Nordic genes. The lower classes got them wiped out when the Turks came.

>>136003383

If greeks had been raped by turks they would look like finns

>>136007688
That is the average English before Romans came

>>136007859
dude fuck off.. one Dane was queen of Greece, until '74, and that's it. The rest is just memes and babble.

>>136007859
Where do you get the idea that the Greek upper classes were white? The Greek royal family was drawn first from the Wittelsbachs and then from the Danish royal family because the great powers of the time intervened when Greece gained her independence. The two families were perceived as alien and the Wittelsbachs were even driven out.

>>136008194
no, the average Briton (England didn't exist until the Angles came) was Celtic and that dude is obviously Germanic.

>>136008194
>That is the average English before Romans came
There were no English people in Britain when the Romans were there.

>>136003239
>turkish rape babies
>hellenics

lel

There's more greeks living in Roachistan than there are actual greeks in Greece.

>>136006484
shame you didn't breed her

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>>136007688
>>136007859
This is nigger level we wuzzery

>>136008678
"kills whole family to not get dethroned"

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>>136003239

she is beautiful. I imagine that is how Helen of Troy looked like

>>136008812
.. the face that launched a thousand ships.

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>>136008249
>>136008253
Look up any any Royal family in Europe, look at paintings of monarchs from hundreds of years ago, they always depicted as fairer then the lower classes.

Read these

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html

https://www.amren.com/news/2016/10/what-race-were-the-ancient-greeks-and-romans/

https://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm

Fairer ruiling class is a recurring theme almost everywhere in the world.

>>136008678
Stop trying to lump shitskins in with true whites because you're a mongrel who wants to feel white.

>>136003239
On a PCA plot, the Mycenaens are overlaid most closely to modern day Sicilians.

Ancient Greeks = Blacks confirmed

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There are still plenty of fair haired (doesnt mean blonde) Greeks in Greece.
Do any Hellenebros know if these people are actually native to Greece and have been there since ancient times or if they arrived in recent times?

>>136005813
There are plenty of Northern Europeans here claiming that ancient Romans and Greeks were germanic

>>136008678
But saying shitskins of Europe being isn't we wuzsery?

Why is it that a chink thinks he can speak about Europeans affiars with any decent clout?

>>136009073
>Blonde curly hairs
>black eyebrows
>brown eyes
He's dyed

>>136009073
>Look up any any Royal family in Europe
they're all intermarried until absolute mishmash of phenotype beyond any comprehensible recognition.

if you knew anything, you'd know that. Even our queen Margrete, however Halstatt Nordid she might appear, is a genetic mix of all of old Europa.

that's just the way it is.

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>>136003239
>MODERN GREEKS = ANCIENT GREEKS
I don't recall ancient Greeks being indebted to the Visigoths

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>>136007688

>>136007859
That hasnt been proved and the "Greek" royal family is anything but Greeks,they are Danes.

>>136009285
well, then those individuals are idiots, just like old Varg.

>>136007204
Even main stream alex jones spouts the "ancient greeks had blue eyes and blond hair until their women were raped by arabs" meme occasionally. It's a well established meme.

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>greeks are not tur-

>>136009619
Alex Jones is mainstream now? ffs.. he's an even bigger asshat than Varg. At least Vard doesn't ramble about reptillians and child brothels on Mars.

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>>136009302
That was an art style, Alexander the and Great and Arminius despite being Thracian and German were both depicted with curled hair.

>>136009314
Do you have a short attention span or something? You coulden't even read the full sentence.

>>136009369
Read my next comment

>>136009258
Nordic remenants left over.

>>136009258
Probably Ancient. Blondism was a minority but prized trait . Probably around 7% of pop like today.

>>136009924
>Do you have a short att..
what?

>>136009636
Mongolians tend to have difficulty in distinguishing european features.

>>136009924
Some statues were painted blonde,big deal.They were not meant to be realistic

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>>136009924
So all you have is sparsely cherry-picked art whereas all genetic evidence and the majority of artistic evidence proves you wrong.

The Ancient Greeks were more or less like modern. Majority swarthy and dark-haired although a notable minority element of blondism. It's well documented that blonde hair dyeing was very popular as well which shows you what the norm was.

>>136009258
I think the only likelihood of blondes being native to Greece would only go back a millennia or so with the slim chance they were descended from Varangians under the Byzantines.

>>136010243
i am Greek (turk)

>>136009258
eyebrow color is their natural hair color

>>136010480
it's important to note, that culturally, pale skin was seen as attractive as it suggested one didn't need to work outside and were therefore reasonably well off. So with that in mind, it may be unreasonable to base the ethnicities of Greeks from artistic depictions of labourers or soldiers. A black haired German with a tan from the intense exposure in classical Greece would be indistinguishable from an Arab if painted by a contemporary Greek artist.

>>136009258
My guess would be both.Ancient Greeks had some blondes and perhaps some further migrations years later such as the Slavic one contributed too.Anyways,its below 10% and what we consider as fair hair is also light brown too,which isnt the case elsewhere

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>>136009073
Go get raped by some Emu

>>136009073
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2325768/The-Minoans-Caucasian-DNA-debunks-longstanding-theory-Europes-advanced-culture-Africa.html
Minoans = Modern Cretans. Thanks for provi yourself wrong lol.

>https://www.amren.com/news/2016/10/what-race-were-the-ancient-greeks-and-romans/
There is a lot wrong with this. First thing that pops out is that the author thinks that Thracians were Greek lol. I think I'll do a thorough debunking write up and post thread later.

>https://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm
Some north Italians have blonde hair. Also, blonde dyeing was very common amongst the Roman elite.

>>136007859
>The ruiling class were Nordic.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html?foxtrotcallback=true

>The elite Mycenaen individual from the 'royal' tomb at Peristeria in the western Peloponnese did not differ genetically from the other three Mycenaean individuals buried in the common graves.

Read the actual source.

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>>136010857
Point taken.

>>136009636
>putting an Albanian under Serbian flag
yea suck my dick

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>>136009636
They could be twin brothers, LEL

>>136005813
Varg and his cultists

>>136010689
Not true, many natural blonds have brown eyebrows.

>>136010872
I'd assume so aswell.
In many Greeks mosaics there are blonde Greeks but they're in the minority, such as in pic related.

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All of you shut up, Euros can look alike and sometimes they don't.See Alexander played by Colin Farrell he was Greek and Macedonian approved when it was announced he was cast cause he looks med, whilst some Irishmen look nordic, and some meds can look Nordic. It depends on the person. It isn't as simple as Northerners equal all Nordic and meds equal all med.

>>136003383
No such thing as "Turks"... they have no specific origin. they are confederation of Greeks, Caucuses and Levantine people

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>>136010317
Did you also read the links i posted about the descriptions of the ancients colouring written by the ancients themselves. Aswell as the Pigmentation of Roman Emperors?

>>136010480
Higher classes were Nordic, besides the two on the right look Nordic, even the one on the far right has Nordic featues. I also liked how you never backed up you're claims without refuting mine. Hows it feel being a shitskin amerifat?
Genetic testing proving they came from the caucasus.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals


>>136010877
It's repainted based on microscopic paint residue you stupid nigger

>>136011014
>I swear ill prove you wrong later you countered one point and let a hundred slip, most of the Roman Emperors were from not from Northern Italy, also, that is what there hair colour is desribed as, stop making excuses.


http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

Proof Ancient Greeks came from the Caucasus

>>136011018

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

>>136012068
I've heard a Varg fanboy spout this specific argument. What makes you think hair dye didn't exist?

>>136005046

>T*rks are arguably the most barbaric people ever to be associated with Europe.

Don't ever try to associate asiatic steppe people intermixed with sandniggers with Europe, you dumb bong.

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Coal burners are disproportionately Nordic. Mediterranean people by and large as a culture frown upon beastiality

>>136012229

>Nordic

Odd way of spelling Polish, my nu-flag friend.

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>>136009258
well, aside from the top dude and the sprinter bottom right the three chicks have dyed hair. as to your question, there were allot of varangian mercenaries during the Byzantine period that later came to own rank and land, bulgars and other slavs were driven out during Basilios the bulgar slayer.

>>136007688
hello mehmet, still mad for your mutilated dicklet

>>136012205
Varg is a retard. It does but your excusing descriptions and depictions as just "hair dye". Using that logic i could say the same about Ancient Greeks with dark hair.

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>>136009636
>

>>136012599

>t. stupid surname with lots of Zs and Ws

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>>136012432
>a turk rape baby using mehmet as an insult
>posting a kikess (((porn))) actor

How subhuman can you get?

Greece would have never even freed itself from turkish rule without the "nordcucks". Anyway the mantle of europe has passed. From the medbloods, to the nordcucks, now to slavshits.

You can post actual evidence that ancient people were brown-haired, brown-eyed and genetically almost Levantine and people and the Nordcucks on /pol/ will still just deny.

>>136012068
No, dumbass, it says that the non-Greek-speaking Minoans had extra ancestry from the East (Anatolia/Iran/Caucasus) compared to Neolithic Greece. Mycenean Greeks had extra steppe ancestry but very low. You're pathetic and clutching at straws here.

Wait for classical samples, until then your theorie are over. These Bronze Age guys are close to South Italians, Greeks, Cypriots and European Jews (who are half Levantine/half Southern European).

>>136012814

>Be spic in burgerlands
>Pretend to know anything about Europe

This shit again

>pig nosed nordcucks still thinking they wuz scientists n shit
hahaha

>>136008333
There was almost no genetic difference between ancient celts and ancient germanics.

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>>136012432
Jesus Christ

>>136012068
>http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. Have you read the actual study? They explicitly state that there were no genetic differences between their royal and commoner samples.

>>136012936
Yeah but there were still differences. Proto-Germanics were probably still pre-Indo-European I1-dominated like Scandinavans are while proto-Celts were likely majority R1b.

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>>136007688
>the average Jew before the holocaust

>>136012432
sauce my dude

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>>136012068
>http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
That doesn't help your case, it's the same exact study hahaha. Of course Greeks came from the Caucasus, that doesn't help your case.

>Higher classes were Nordic, besides the two on the right look Nordic, even the one on the far right has Nordic featues.
Afrocuck-tier logic.

Your blonde statues don't help you. It's well documented that Greeks (and Romans too for that matter) loved to dye their hair blonde and that blonde hair was a minority though present native trait just as it is now.

Greeks, Romans, late medieval Italians, medieval Muslims, modern Jews. The Med man is the civilizer of this world.

>>136003239
BASED NON-ARYAN GREEK CIVILIZATION

BASED NON-ARYAN ARISTOTLE AND PLATO

BASED NON-ARYAN ALEXANDER THE GREAT

/pol/ and Varg absolutely BTFO. They will never be able to recover

>>136012814
Never go full retard.Nordics cant even free themselves let alone others.Although this is the case for most modern humans.

>>136012837
So what you're saying is the closest thing we have to classical samples favours my theory?

>>136013064
>they came from the caucasus
>the place where blue eyes, germanics and nordics come from

>>136013194
See above
They do have Nordic featues, ive met plenty of Greeks on my life and they all had gigantic hooked noses. Your using nig logic if you think they aren't nordic. I suppose they also dyed there eyes grey and blue aswell, or did you miss that bit?

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Lel, this is to /pol/ what the human fossil found in Greece is to Kangz.

Based Greece has now BTFO'd two sets of we wuz belief sets. Top fucking kek.

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>>136012517
Artwork like this shows them with blonde hair and brown eyes, how many natural blondes do you know that have brown eyes? Even if your answer is "hurhur a bunch" it still refutes the Nordic claim

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>>136007470
Rare non-shitpost from straya

>>136014511
>but anon blue was too expensive to make from I ported lapis lazuli hurr durr

>>136011182

Hercules looks like Nietzsche lol

>>136012432
What's her name? Just want to see if the other anon is right to call her a kikess of course.

>>136014289
No, the current samples argue against your theory actually. You're too stupid to get it.

>they came from the caucasus
>the place where blue eyes, germanics and nordics come from

You're confusing the steppe with the Caucasus retard. This Caucasus/Iran-like ancestry came to Greece via Anatolia. The Indo-European ancestry came from the steppe and it was much lower in the tested Mycenaean, even the elite, samples.

And Blue eyes have nothing to do with the Caucasus, try to read the recent ancient DNA studies at some point, you confused moron, so you can hope to understand the genetic history of Europe and the spread of the people you call "Germanic/Nordic".

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>>136014289
Was Socrates nord to you, going by busts like this?

>>136011974
Source: my ass
KYS greek subhuman

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>>136003239
*clears throat*
ΕΜΕΙΣ

also
>X people are actually related to their ancestors
How has this actually surprised any of you?
I know Nordcucks are retarded wh*Te subhumans but what about others? Are you retarded?

There are somewhat stupid people and then there are retards like this Australian that deserve to be drowned so they don't breed since they lack any reading comprehension.

>>136004940
1000 years from 1453-1829?

>>136015147
ΗΜΑΣΤΑΝ

>>136005280
You don't fall into the civilization building category Hassan. The caliphates were poor copycats of existing roman architecture and Greek philosophy, and never progressed beyond that point. Your religion is one that adheres to a worldview that of all peoples and cultures, a 7th century nomad was the one most worthy of gods revelation, that's why you'll never progress into modernity.

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>>136005509
>Janissaries
Janissaries were not allowed to marry and janissaries were always small in numbers.
Also here's a better map.

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>>136003239
Now let's wait for the further destruction of Nordcucks and West Euroshits when the papers come out saying that ancestor of the Slavs cucked West/North European niggers into looking "Nordic".

>>136003858
People like you are worse than the cucks. You're either a troll or retarded and bring nothing of substance to the conversation. Bringing the conversation back to interracial pornography at every post. You need to start nofap ASAP you disgusting degenerate.

>>136015000
Socrates was notoriously ugly, though, as judged by the people around him. His looks might not be the best frame of reference for anything.

>>136015384
>Janissaries were not allowed to marry and janissaries were always small in numbers.
>Also here's a better map.
Confaterate is retarded, agreed, however you are Greek farmers of Asia Minor. Turkey has always been a settled nation since it was the Sultanate of Rum, whereas the Turkic peoples of the steppes are nomadic raiders incapable of sustaining civilization with their herding/thieving way of life. You'd have run out of things to steal long ago and starved to death if you hadn't simply decided that the Islamified Greek farmers you conquered were now Turkroaches.

>>136014812
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>>136012980
>>136013156

muriel white serene

i think shes french

>>136015816
>Amerimutt education

>>136015909
Of course it's a coincidence that your pure Muslim nation produces its own kind of liquor and it's exactly the same as your Christian "enemies"

>>136012599
she got raped and murdered pretty hard

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poor Varg :^(

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>>136015793
What of Plato?

WE

>>136014511
Are you fucking retarded? Theres literally millions of brown eyed blondes. Besides being Nordic is more then just pigmentation, facial features are much more important.

>>1360149812
>talks about ancient Iran and Anatolia like there not indo-european

This is common fucking knowledge

The origin of blue eyes coming from the cacasus is currently the dominate theory. Then again you're an ancap so you're already a confirmed retard.

>>136015000
He definitly looks better then your average tur.... uh i mean Greek

>>136016179
Toll status: paid

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>>136009287
>shitskins of Europe being isn't we wuzsery

Being what Britbong?

>baits chink for lack of argument

You must hate the Italians, Bulgars, Spanish and Greeks for creating great empires You brainlet. Next time don't let pakis run over your country.

>>136009073
Yes, true whites. Stop spraying shit Varg and accept Rome Carried on through the Balkans.

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>max (((planck))) institute
fucking lmao. nice try chaim but ancient meds were nordic.

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>>136003239
>>136004161
the common ancestors to them both didn't split very long ago

>>136007688
Who is he?

>>136003858

Greeks were quite literally ruled by Muslim Ottomans longer than even Iberians. They are the biggest rapebabies Yurope.

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>>136012626
I fixed that image for you, Moor

I love these retarded Nordic fags that think Greece was Nordic back in the day.
For example, literally anyone in the balkans can be anything, i am blonde with blue eyes and my friend has black hair and brown eyes.
A few statues don't mean shit, Balkan has always been a diverse place, especially Greece.
I also did a dna test, about 80% was Balkan and other was western and eastern europe.

>>136015845
Thank you. Just gonna go do some research

>>136016338
Varg dosen't even belive the meds were Nordic, he believes they were mixed race and thats why the had to found civillisation. He believes civillisation was forced on Nordics. He's a retard.

>>136016386
An average ancient greek of course

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>>136011358

>Spaniard is the palest

B...but the memes.

>>136004758
Shut up you ornery sand nigger. Turks have been irrelevant for centuries and will remain such.

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>>136003239
But did A. Greeks have sunshine vitamins?

>>136016611
Not a model? Shame.

>>136007688
That dude looks like those statues came to life.

>>136015181
>can't argue so insults
Hows that 90 iq treatin' you mario?

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Greek race babies are the most beautiful babies

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>>136016310
>The origin of blue eyes coming from the cacasus is currently the dominate theory. Then again you're an ancap so you're already a confirmed retard.

No, it isn't moron. Mesolithic Western Europeans already had blue eyes and they had nothing to do with the Caucasus.

I repeat: read some of the recent ancient DNA studies.

Those Bronze Age Mycenean samples are darker and *less* European than modern Greeks are who experienced gene flow from Europe.

>>136016658
let him roleplay in peace.

who cares about peasants results? only the elite burials matter and they are always haplo R

>>136016964
read the study you retarded wh*Te subhuman

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>>136007470
>turks are now white

Greeks colonized all the way in afghanistan and india.

>>136017069
Calling Turks wh*Te is a sign of mental retardation

>>136003239
The problem is that many modern turks are also ancient Greeks since they took a lot of Greek babies from their families to put them in the mudslime turkish armies, then those boys fucked mudslime women and the Ancient Greek gene prevailed cause its definitely better than some sandnigger shitgene. We must take Constantinople back again.

>>136017056
thats rich coming from a mongrelized steppe nigger, don't you have a field to tend you swarthy fucker?

>>136006794
ha ha ...so true

>>136016386
Dennis Johnson: An Anglo-Merican model.

>>136017134
Janissaries were not numerous enough to make a genetic difference. Period.

>>136017247
Yeah, seriously, why do people just come up with whatever historical thing they can think of? As much as Anatolia was depopulated, it still had a significant local population. Nothing to do with "Greek baby Janissaries", what the fuck.

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>>136017114
Afraid of losing what little you have left of ottoman rump state?

BYZANTIUM 2020

>>136015909
Go get your DNA tested and see how much of it shows up as Balkan and how much it shows up as East Asian. Willing to bet 1-5% East Asian at BEST, yet you speak their tongue like a fucking retard.

23andme.com

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>>136017134
The opposite
It was Turks who got themselves Harem filled with Slav and Greek qts

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>>136016637
Yeah because surely the Spaniards did not make those photos themselves, hmmmm?

Because even if they did it's not like they would want to present themself in better 'light', hmmm?

>>136016179
I hope this is true

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>>136017405
>Amerimutt education
Turks score 5% to 25% asian dna. it's pretty normal considering Seljuks were a mix of Turkics and Persians and Iranic peoples.

>>136016964
see >>136011018

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>>136017069
>map of the Alexander the Great empire
Looks like the map of J2 haplomeme's distribution (Minoan and Mycenaen males from the recent study)

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>>136017407
They didn't do a very good job at fucking then, because the countries Y-DNA still matches up very closely to that of the surrounding nations.

Haplogroup Q, N3, and to a lesser extent R1a are what Y-DNA the invading Turks had. Such a small difference. Turks confirmed celibate.

>>136016921
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-511473/All-blue-eyed-people-traced-ancestor-lived-10-000-years-ago-near-Black-Sea.html

https://www.occupycorporatism.com/blue-eyes-originated-10000-years-ago-in-the-black-sea-region/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-one-ancestor-helped-turn-our-brown-eyes-blue-776170.html

Literally do a 5 minute google search you incompetent swine.

>>136017723
>Amerimutt education
haplogroups are irrelevant.
Ottoman Dynasty itself had haplogroup J2 LMAO

>>136017753
Why didn't you archive?

>http://independent co uk/news/science/how-one-ancestor-helped-turn-our-brown-eyes-blue-776170.html
https://archive.is/A4Jyc

>>136017529
No , they do not. Post an actual scientific study that wasn't ran by Turks, you stupid faggot.

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>>136017830
>MY ASS IS ON FIRE
I am going to rape you itt

>>136017753
Man, are you genuinely retarded or just trolling? I'm telling you about genetic studies based on direct ancient samples from the last four years and you're bringing me bullshit based on modern models from 2008?

And the Black Sea =/= Caucasus. But even that theory is dead now.

Seriously, you must be microcephalic. But look at the PCA I posted and understand how much closer to other Europeans modern Greeks are compared to Bronze Age ones.

>>136017783
No they are not, they show paternal and maternal descendance, which is extremely relevant and important when discussing a nomadic tribe that invaded and supposedly "raped everything".

>>136017496
here you go

https://steemit.com/crime-scene/@fyrstikken/real-crime-the-elin-krantz-case-nsfw

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>>136017959
ARE YOU STILL TALKING LMAOING MY FUCKING ASS

Fucking Amerimutts man, they're so fucking retarded it hurts.

>>136017867
HUURRRRR I KNO HO 2 USE GEDMATCHHH


Turks confirmed retarded.
Wow bro a whole n=1, wow.
And it still does not prove any significant East/Central Asian descendance.

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>>136017753
Based retardbro, posting old articles based on looney theories without any data. All WHG's short for Western-Hunter-Gatherers had blue eyes and they didn't come from black sea or Caucasus. Here I even highlighted it for you.

>>136018074
Wow [[[[[[[[[UZBEKISTAN]]]]]]]]]], and at MAX 10-15%

WOWWWW

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>>136018101
I'm going to make you my rapeslave itt
also there's a reason why he's so close to Turkish average

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>>136018069
This was already thoroughly debunked. They're two different women. /pol/ just wants to think that this woman got her comeuppance or something but it's just not the case.

0 critical thinking.

>>136018203
@>9.00 is not close at all you fucking retard.
Learn how to GEDMATCH, I've been doing this shit since 2011.

>>136005531

You replace letters with asterixes if it's a swear word, it's not a complex joke. F*ck, sh*t, t*rk

>>136003881
You didn't do anything productive at that time, Turks.
Germanic and Celtic People at that time had soap,various recipes for medicine,pants and tribal elections and Meetings (Thing) and everybody was religious,had a weopon and had to work, there were Family Clans that were organized to include everyone in the Society, from clan leaders to slaves.

If you would compare it to modern political views, Greeks had a more conservative-libertarian way of thinking, slaves could be owned, there was a common trade System and currency,more Investments were made, like making greater Buildings,maintaining armies,citizen rights,goverment power and order.

Nords at that time were more National-Social, they wanted to Keep their traditions and Lifestyle even at the cost of Progress, somehow where against a greater liberal or even democratic state, rather having more freedom and liquidity of states and lesser centralisation and prefered autonomous autocracy over direct and set authoritarianism.

Greeks were more racist and questioning, the tribal societies were very keen on their heritage and societal rise,from Family,to clan, to tribe and then multiple tribes.

I don't see any inferiority on any side.

>>136018357
>9
you mean 5.23?
also stop being retarded. you don't know a shit.

>>136015384
Janisarries, who were mostly Balkanites (Albanian, Greek, Bulgarian) may not have been allowed to marry, but they probably did a lot of raping and pillaging wherever deployed.

>>136018486
rape was a serious crime in ottoman empire lmao
also Janissary HQ was in Istanbul.

>>136016179
NOPE. The murder victim was Elin Krantz. The cunt in the video is Michaela Eklund . TWO DIFFERENT WOMEN WHO LOOK NOTHING ALIKE.

>>136003858
>hoards cuckshit on his PC
>"haha it's just ironic lol"

>>136014511
Slavs

>>136018582
>rape was a serious crime in ottoman empire lmao
You sure about that? I heard it was commonly used against enemy nations. Along with taking sex slaves. I may be wrong though.
>also Janissary HQ was in Istanbul.
And? They were deployed to warzones in the Balkans as well as the Mideast and North Africa. Pretty sure they took over Egypt too.

>>136018470
Yes I do, I literally study Genetics. You have no idea what you're doing with GEDMATCH, like nigga am I supposed to be surprised a Turk is showing its closest match as another Turk? What do you think that proves exactly?

Do you know how these things were made?

>>136018870
Yes i'm sure. Rape was considered as a serious crime especially against muslims :DDD
>And? They were deployed to warzones in the Balkans as well as the Mideast and North Africa. Pretty sure they took over Egypt too.
and?

>>136009258
The recent Nature article that was posted on /pol/ yesterday stated that blondes existed in Mycenean Greece, but were rare. Kind of like today.

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>>136019035
>like nigga am I supposed to be surprised a Turk is showing its closest match as another Turk? What do you think that proves exactly?

you're also supposed to check 2 and 3 population mixes you retarded dumb nigger
also you don't study genetics, you're full of shit.

>>136019039
Why do you then revere Mohammad who raped a "Muslim" nine year old?

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>>136018692
I hoard 'cuckshit' on my PC. The thought of Swedish subhuman animals getting unwillinlgy, forcefully cucked to death by African migrants makes me diamonds

>>136019111
We need more samples to definitively answer this sort of question but of the tested samples all were predicted as brown-eyed and brown-haired except a Minoan woman with no steppe ancestry that was either blond or brown haired.

Either way, look here >>136016921. Modern Greeks are closer to northern Europe than those Bronze age samples. The one with extra steppe ancestry (Crete_Armenoi) is actually very close to modern Greeks.

>>136019237
Why the fuck would any /pol/tard believe in religions?

>>136019234
Only one in ten Americans is black, and the vast majority look nothing like that.
>>136019234
>"you're also supposed to check 2 and 3 population mixes"

To prove what? What are you trying to prove?

>>136003239
Who's the qt on the left?

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>>136019380
>To prove what? What are you trying to prove?
Are you being retarded on purpose? Or you know nothing about genes in general?
I think it's the latter, i'll stop replying from now on
shoo shoo MUTT

>>136003239
Well no fucking shit, they are still greek
Viking = modern Swedes, Danes, Norwegians

>>136019437
Don't look into it and be disappointed, that's her best pic.

>>136004298
>>136004758
You are not really, you just copied their achievements and then let them fuck you until you thought it was enough and got on to kill them and their allies.

Ottoman rulers were exclusevily European from descendance by the end of it,Mehmet the II was half Greek beeing gay with a Vlachian.

Your janicharies were exclusevily Balkan and mostly Serb/Vlach,just like your innovations,ideas and Administration + bureaucracy, you are just mixed with some Whites, you are Caucasian but still not White and European.

All other ideas of yours base on Arab and Persian Society, their languages made up 88% of Ottoman Turk, the nobel elite spoke solely Persian and religious Acts were Arabic in all aspects. Ancient Persian civilisation was White, ancient "Arab" civilisation too(See queen of Jordan and North Iranian People).

Celto-Germanic People did not invent the civilisation, they were not restricted to civilisational Goals and had not the Forwards thinking of Mediterranean People, but were physically and structurally more capable as we see in modern Society and back then.

The Greeks and Romans used more firm idfeas and did concrete inventions, Nordic People are more able to do the whole Progress but do not reach Things in a progressive way, interestingly Autism is a lot more common in Northern European peoples than in Southern ones.

They took the Meditteranean foundation and made Europe out of it, they by that finally surpassed liquidity of pretty much anything, a very effective Society will always be a strict and hard-ruling. That is basically the Frankish Empire, a non-overstretching,effective Nationstate with Centralisation, it had the "Carolingian Renessaince".

But their natural way of thinking and rebelliousness lead to Things like this in history:
Britsh peasant rising, Parliamental war,American Revolution,French Revolution,1848 Revolution etc.

>>136019039
It's likely that they produced rapebabies in the areas they attacked, especially in a country like Egypt that was no longer under Ottoman jurisdiction as Muhammed Ali broke away using janissaries.

>>136019488
You are a moron.
Tell me what you even think a gene is you stupid faggot. I bet you think every SNP you have is "a gene".

And no I just have gigabytes of genomes on my pc for funsies.

>>136019809
Okay wh*Te retard yes i'm sure they did
now fuck off
>>136019840
Then you know nothing about our genetics. sorry.

>>136004298
You choose some Topic to discuss which requires Knowledge of genetics,history and practical thinking ways.

As your Turkish-Turanid-Mongol mentality is the exact oposite of Northern Autistic thinking and acting, and even mixed with Mediterranean philosophy and living, you won't manage to bake a Piece of shit if I told you, to be clear.

>>136012814
Nordcucks dragged europe into war and are the people pushing for immigration.

Thanks.

>>136009073
Those on its head are clearly spaghetti

>>136015288
ΦΙΛΟΣΟΦΟΙ

>>136019840
He isn't wrong though, various methods I've seen generally estimate autosomal Turkic introgression at a max of 20-25%. I honestly don't even get what you're arguing about since you're basically agreeing.

>>136006660
>denmark
>christian
youre more muslim than the turk, dane pls

>>136019949
You have a limited grasp of the English, language.
Why are you apologizing to me retard?

You still cannot explain what the fuck you think you were accomplishing with the GEDMATCH post, and you accuse me as foolish to recuse yourself from actual questioning that would reveal you know nothing.

>>136003239
pppff, more likely
Modern greeks == african americans

>gib datz mentality - Lent money from Germany and Turkey and then shitpost about the feeding hand
>We wuz civilisation - Proud of historical achievement without any current achievements
>what ya doing whitey - Refuse to work long working hours and retire with 50

>>136019949
Why you getting mad? I was making a perfectly valid point.

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>>136020179
>hmm

>>136020154
My first post pointed out how they speak a tongue that many of there population is barely related to. It's kind of pathetic, and then they fight the Greeks and Arabs even though they are more related to them then some distant horse-fucking tribe that literally ran away from other horse-fuckers.

>>136017331
they don't read. they unironically think a bunch of janissaries could "bleach" the 20-40% of a population lmao
>>136020154
mongoloid*

>>136020365
Europeans are even more related to each other and they've been fighting each other more than anyone else, seems normal.

Also, I wouldn't say Arabs but Caucasians and Armenians.

>>136020365
the pictures that i've posted already proved you wrong
stop shitposting you MUTT

>>136020513
In what way was I proved wrong? How was I proved wrong?
I think you are incapable of explaining it.

>>136020451
I was speaking about different experiments I've come across but the red component was fixed in a fully East Asian population?

That'd depend on how East Asian the Turks were when they arrived to Anatolia, we might find out with early samples.

>>136016453
See what Ancient Greeks looked like. See what Turks used to look like. Are you sure it was the Greeks who changed?

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>>136020695
>That'd depend on how East Asian the Turks were when they arrived to Anatolia, we might find out with early samples.

Seljuks were Turkmens, modern day Turkmens are 15% to 55% mongoloid.

>>136019949
Also:
Turks fuck with Armenians,Kurds,Persians,Greeks,Slavs,Africans,Georgians,Arabs and Assyrians, you think it's superiority and makes you a great People, that is what all Turkish Posters believe.

Go to Serbs and fuck some by force, most babies get killed and when they grow up too.

Bulgars are Turks and even where fucked by you, doesn't this make them superior? No because it could be useful to have them as allies as you both have more or less negative Feelings to Serbs and Greeks.

This just indicates your desire for succeess without reallyfighting and your selfish and unefficient mind and light-minded way of behaviour, due to Neoliberalist culture and previous Leftist reforms and newer Islamism and Nationalism, with missing education and work and Goals to do and reach, your mindset has been completely fucked to be honest, Democracy,Propaganda etc. hurts you, become Ottoman Empire again and we can talk and to blow up your Brain:

I'm half Serb/German, I still like the Ottoman Empire much more than your retarded Populist Erdogan, is it so hard for you Proletarians to see he mmostly cares about his own power and well-doing?
He is not a strong leader(This is not an important factor anyway in this aspect), in Ramadan he had Problems due to Diabetes, he is old and he relies on Terror of Opposition with which he corperated as smaller politician some years ago, it is obvious enough that this is political intrigation and not what ever you believe of him.

You yourself and the people could do a better goverment, I trust in your competence my dear.

>>136003881
You were primitives getting raped by the chinks and mongolians actually.

>>136010877
Pathetic

>>136020910
Sure, but ancient samples frequently hold some surprises even if they generally follow 'common sense'. It's possible that those guys had their East Asian diluted over time too or that the ones in Anatolia were on the higher side or on the lower or...but yeah it's interesting to try and model using modern populations too.

Of course the problem is that we don't have pristine pre-Turkic Anatolians except Pontic and Cappadocian Greeks (and I rarely see them incorporated). Balkan Greeks are probably not the best stand-in for Byzantine Anatolia since they have their own separate influences too.

>>136020154
20 to 25 is huge. that basically makes them a new race

>>136004940
>roughly 4 centuies is 1000 years
Nordic mathematics right here volks

>>136003881
That's Constantinople you fucking we wuzer

>>136004940
> 1000 gazillion years

>>136021040
Don't worry Anon, I think their Buttons were pressed in such a hard way the Turks fucked off...

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Hooray, the thread is dead!

Good Job mates, you too OP.

>>136022216
I always like btfoing "herp derp x is not x but y" retards

>>136003383
>>136003383
learn to read papers d00d

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>>136004518
n equals thirty. get fucked science casual

>>136004940
this is literally varg trying to recover

>nordcucks
>white
Pick one

>>136003239

>what is Pelasgian
>what is a Hellene

Wew /pol/ is pretty stupid

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So this is the power of /pol/...
Gpd, you guys are fucking retarded.

>>136003239

you guys all know that some slimy little kike makes all of these threads right?

Europeans stick with Europeans. That simple. everything worked in Europe and America without the Jews and the mudraces.

Race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct.

>>136003858
>>136004161
>>136005037
>>136005509

>Hides behind flag
>Shill

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Nice to know

Thanks OP

>>136012432
Damn southern women always have a nice face and personality

>>136005691
That's not even the peak of our shitposting capabilities bong

>>136006655
>t. moor

>>136015278
Actually we started occupying the balkans (especially greece) well before constantinople was conquered