anarcho-capitalism

>>136001339
>how the fuck is anarcho-capitalism looked down up, let alone ridiculed the way it is?
>it weeds out the useless people of society
Well, the worthless people FAR outnumber the valuable ones so obviously most people hate anarcho-capitalism.

Also, a substantial portion of ancaps are actually nice, religious people who just can't bring themselves to be that mean to the worthless people.

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>>136001339
sorry anon, but I don't want to starve.
we need the uneducated just as much as we need the "intellectual".

hating is easy.
try to understand.

Anarcho-capitalism? You mean just anarchy? Because this is basically what's gonna happen in a post government world. Not that anarcho-commie shit.

>>136001722
we can literally replace them with robots
the only reason we can't is because the government forbids us because there would be rioting and they'd lose their power
we need to slowly purge the useless people one by one until the masses can be subdued easily

>>136001339
>be ancap
>memes laughing at ancaps rise to the top of the ancap meme market
>be mad
Oh man it's true pottery.

>>136002130
you strike me as someone who dislikes anarcho capitalism
care to explain why you dislike it?

Ancaps have a lot in common with nazbols

>>136002003
AnComs strike me as faggots who genuinely believe anarchy is a system of government. They took two polar opposites and out them together and pretended they had an original idea. Their favorite animal is cat-dog. They drive a car-shoe. Their job is donor-beggar. Even they're sexuality and gender are confused.

>>136002493
except I detest the idea of handing out money to the poor who don't contribute anything for free and victimless crimes being crimes

>>136002422
$5

the thing is that people think that anarchism is something you just declare one day but thats risky

real anarchists realize that it's a gradual and stable way to decentralize authority by using organizations outside of the state like how the Uber model decentralized services

>>136001339
I don't think that anarchy is good for a society. We as humans are animals. We need the government in some extend so we can put ourselves together.Without a government everyone will go full retard.
From the other hand if the government has too much power in its hands then we have no freedom and rights.

>>136001339
>if you care for the poor, gas yourself you cuckold. they couldn't care less about you and would happily slit your throat and rob you if given half a chance
Your parents helped you out right?

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>>136001339

>>136002776
This is what the state wants you to think. We can organize outside of government with online resources.

>>136001339
>When you want to get rid of statism so you can make your own state

>>136002709
again with the absurd strawman memes
an ancap world doesn't mean just existing will cost you money, just that the government won't take any money from you
so again, why do you dislike the idea of anarcho capitalism?

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>>136001339
the plebs would weed u out before your neoliberal system would weed them out

also how is capitalism supposed to function optimally without government spending in infrastructure and education, and who will uphold the rule of law and prevent the formation of a monopoly. if a society has no govt. that also implies there are no borders, and i fail to see how a society defined by materialist egotism would have any sense of community or social cohesion

tl;dr anarchocapitalism is an autistic meme designed to portray the absurdities of neoliberal idealogy

>>136002909
still you need someone(s) to be in command

>>136001339

I mean it's good if you think the gilded age was good too because that's where you're gonna head to with anarcho capitalism

>>136002775
Actually Trump's team is talking about decentralizing power as well.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-27/trump-administrations-calls-to-return-power-to-states-stirs-fear

>>136002909

>because a non binding community is so effective. beyond a small scale tribe where everyone is directly familiar with each other, government is essential to weld together groups of strangers. humans who don't know each other must be held together with force and social constructs for any real cohesion to exist

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>>136001339

>how the fuck is anarcho-capitalism looked down up

Its kiked to the core.

The ancap endorses porn, fast food, and environmental destruction in the name of short-term profit. The ancap loves capitalism and feminism since they create a labor surplus to artificially depress wages. The ancap cares nothing for blood and soil.

You faggots need to understand that the free market is a tool to be used carefully, not a god to be worshiped.

>>136001339
Because it's an unrealistic pipe dream.

Good intentions but childish and assumes people are good natured enough to not form waring clans.

Humans need structure and order to function well. anarchy offers none of these.

>>136001339
>it's literally perfect in every sense

If you feel |any| government style is (((perfect))) then you are already full-retard and not worth debating on the matter.

>>136001339
You sound like a bitter psychopath

>>136003273
this.

>>136002855
well obviosuly. the whole reason I believe in ancap is to make sure my achievements go to my offspring and no one else. my parents also believed the same thing so they gave me their assets when they died
>>136003273
you're probably one of the stupid people who don't realise how easy it is to make money off of people like yourself

>>136003358

national socialism is pretty much perfect

>>136002971


Fuck off, in the free market that poster is demanding $5, pay the man if you want his opine or you are a socialist scumbag.

>>136001339
if everything was private, poor people couldnt drink even water...

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>>136001339
If only you could build roads out of straw

>>136003039

DECENTRALIZED AUTHORITY

There is an upper limit to what society needs in terms of centralized power. Thats what a republic is supposed to be but the states fucked that up. I think though that it could be smaller than states and maybe cities could be the largest authority or something like that. There are a million better and more creative ways to design a society that we have not tried.

Practical anarchism is a way to organize online and UNDERMINE THE STATE. Which is something we should all start doing.

There also could be AI leaders in the future or a council of leaders. The idea of a president and prime minister is stupid though.

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>>136003273
>the free market is a tool to be used carefully, not a god to be worshiped

Eloquently put.

>>136003476

Yep, that is why the last major NatSoc government of a major nation currently rules the wo- oh wait, it's mostly psuedo-democratic-corporatism that won.


Guess it isn't as (((perfect))) as you claim.

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I find it astonishing how goyim are trained so well to respect money, to slave away for it without question, to rabidly lust after it with drooling desire at all times. This applies to every single anon in this thread as well. Muh job, muh savings, muh mortgage, muh this, muh that; only ever thinking within the narrow boundaries of a permissible vocabulary your masters authorize you to roam in. How tame and domesticated you all are. Incredible.
Despite the Jew-controlled monetary system being the lifeblood of the Jew's rule over this planet - a system which, if allowed to continue, guarantees with 100% certainty that any goy's descendants will suffer immensely as pitiful mongrel slaves - none of you show any flicker of an intention of ever challenging it or replacing it. None of you even seem to acknowledge it's a problem or to understand how it works. You're all content to hand over autonomous control of your willpower to a point system controlled by Jews, sometimes even gloating about how many Jew good goy point$ you have.
It's become clear to me that the Jews' dominance over this planet is secure and permanent. No amount of autistic screeching on a Sentinelese cavepainting forum will ever change that. I have thus come to the bitter conclusion that the only way my children will have any chance at a good life is if I impregnate a Jewess. I suggest you all do the same.
It boils down to one simple question: Do you want your children to be safe and happy, or do you want them to be miserable labor drones (like you probably are right now)?
Stop torturing yourself with concern over the fate of the white race. Most whites would happily assault you if they knew what lurked in your heart. Those are the people you call your brothers? Those are the people you want to save? Really? Aren't you tired of fighting this losing battle?
Breed with a Jewess. Escaping all of this psychological torture you pointlessly subject yourself to is just one creampie away.
You know I'm right.

Is it possible to be ancap without having PDD-NOS autism?

>>136003527
dear god you reek of communism
if he is offering a service I don't want, I'm just not going to buy it

>>136001339

Youre an ideologue with a dogmatic belief in the perfection of your ideology, so there is no sense talking to you. Enjoy your Atlas Shrugged fantasy world which has no bearing on reality

>>136003664
humans don't deserve liberty or equality. these are the virtues of the untermensch. the weak must bend to the strong, the dumb to the wise. freedom is secondary to social progress, order and moral principles

>>136003465
okay but it's in our self interest that there arent roving bands of homeless niggers trying to kill us when we walk to the store

im proposing voluntary welfare instead of violently enforced social security.. there is no reason the state has to be the source of social security but libs are too selfish to donate to charity and they dont want to have it anyway but the way they want.

A solution would be male birth control which is shut down but the pharma industry so poor niggers stop breeding and then charitable welfare where we take care of some poor people with donations and public housing facilities.

Another thing is that in our culture intelligence and creativity is our greatest assset so having large groups of people with access to the internet may provide technological advances.

>>136001339
>is anarcho-capitalism looked down up,
because it is so looked right left

>>136003619
But what are the odds that she'll actually shoot herself? If you're man, at least, youre not gonna accidently shoot like that. Stop being such a giant pussy

>>136003788
what if there is a monopoly in place? god for a free market worshipper, u don't seem to think of even the most basic element of economics

>>136003664
Credit is an organic concept that even monkeys will use to trade for sex. Communism tries to outlaw it but people always want to trade for things. Thats why even in some dystopian commie hell crypto currency and gambling will be a thing.

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Why should I pay my workers at all? I'll just get them hooked on a cocktail of addictive chemicals and force them to spend the pittance they earn from their dangerous jobs in my industries in the company drug store.

>>136003788
>you reek of communism
>Using a system built upon government investment to bitch about how we don't need said government to demand an opinion that has been deemed worth $5 for free
>Calls others commies


You are as ass-backward as the Anarchists are.

Now tell us about how we don't need communal roads again, it is always a knee-slapper.

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>>136003527
>socialism is refusing to consent to a voluntary transaction

>>136001339
>strawmen
>not the logical conclusion of the ideology

weak

>>136004002

See:

>>136003981

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>>136001339
>being this retarded

in your fantasy world, you get killed and your stuff taken, your family enslaved or murdered or whatever - all your "oh i would be totally ok" is just a massive pile of bullshit.
anarchists are retarded or pretending to be retarded
there is no capitalism with anarchy and no anarchy with capitalism
nobody is that stupid
you gotta be a troll
fuck off

>>136003093
thats why i kinda like him and he praised libertarianism

>>136003183
Okay so the point is that we start making alliances and treaties online to undermine the big daddy government instead of licking their boots. Step one is to form little tribes with your friends and family.

>>136002938
That's what I thought.

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We need a rebranding. Something less nuclear holocaust related and a little more friendly. Then when those stupid fucks trust us, then we can unleash the nuclear holocaust.

>>136004118

so long as u pay taxes and obey laws, the govt. cares not for your LARPer communities

>>136003978
You'd be paying them with your drugs. Which is fine by me, as long as you don't give them any free healthcare.

>>136003273
Delusion.. like i said, ancap is something to strive towards not just nixing the state all at one. We can develop societies online where people arent forced to be good little goys and instead voluntarily help eachother. Practical Anarchism the Uber way ;)

>>136003619
holy fuck this picture is great, one dude is looking as the safety violation, dude beside him is gonna tear her a new cunt, and dude beside him is scared for his unit

>>136003660
yes, globalist debt slavery, indentured servitude and being born into debt are the way to go. The UN has it all figured out. That's why no one wants to leave the EU.

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I'll run my sweat shop just the way I like, thank you. Even if that means 14 hour days and dangerous fabric-treatment chemicals in the air, my workers will have no choice but to oblige. If they choose to go home, I'll have security shoot them in the back as they leave. No laws, after all, and as we all know, if the product is cheap enough, somebody will likely buy it regardless of the working conditions.

I legitimately love the AnCap ideology. I wish I was running the sweatshop of my dreams every night.

>>136003928
>someone makes a very good service
>everyone wants to buy it
are you trying to say monopolies are bad or something?

Who cares about the infighting. We can all work together to purge the world of all Communists and Socialists then after that is done we can work out a new system.

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>>136004263
the govt can only prosecute what they know about and taxes need to be undermined by voluntary charity. Rich people avoid taxes by using their resources to engage in globalism anyway, but if we develop mutually beneficial relationships online they will actually help us. Same reason why interest rates are so low, there are so many fucking rich people with more money than they know what to do with but they want something in return so they will help you start a business if youre creative and not lazy.

How to get the fucking money by Dan Pẽna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjcIRQuCXr0

>>136001339
anarcho-anything is fucking retarded and anyone who subscribes to an anarcho-anything ideology deserves to be castrated

>>136004364
>are you trying to say monopolies are bad or something?
Well yeah they can undermine the freemarket but usually they have to have govt helping them like with ISPs. Micro sattelites could provide a freemarket for isps though.


Also its hilarious how so many people are conditioned to hate freedom. lol

>>136004364
Monopolies are rarely based on providing good service. They're based on preventing completion, usually through regulation, such as in the case of intellectual properties. These are 100% government mandated monopolies. Most could compete to the point of devaluing the IP, but they are not legally allowed.

>>136004361
>I'll have security shoot them in the back as they leave
this violates the NAP, thus you dont want anarcho capitalism, just a dictatorship, probably coommunist

>>136004364

god u r a fucking autist. monopolies often exist because no-one else can produce the product for whatever reason, be it high start up costs or complex and secret tech. hence the business price gouges, and people have no choice but to buy, e.g water, oil

>>136001339
Its a utopia like communism. There will always be states.

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>>136004585

Anarcho-egoism is pretty retarded, but compared to the other ones it doesn't shy away from what it actually is and doesn't try to sell you bullshit utopian delusions

>>136004592
Exactly. monopolies are only possible because the government actively works to keep them in power. If we had a government that keeps it's dirty hands out of the market or, god forbid, actively furthers it. Then there would be no what you call "monopolies".

>>136004590
That would be great. ISP zoning is so lame, but it's currently due to limited infrastructure, right?

>>136004150
We're not communists you fucking swine. Death and destruction should be implied.

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>>136004595
Call it whatever you want. Why do I give a shit about the NAP? I have guns and they don't, and why should I care about yet another expendable worker drone dying? There'd be plenty more around.

Communism means there'd be regulation, I'm all for deregulating every industry. Pump the soil full of pesticides and the air full of smog, I don't care as long as at the end of the day I'm sitting in a palace atop of a mountain of cash with child slaves to service my every whim (voluntarily, of course!)

>>136004730
yes it does. it promises freedom from coercive power structures and exploitation, when really all it is is an unfettered bourgeois dictatorship. those rich barons will build their own private armies and own everything in the economy, and they will be above the rule of law, a clique of industrial aristocrats

>>136004770
u know fuck all about economics. monopolies can for over time due to mergers or a large company practicing price wars of other un competitive behavior. monopolies can also form when a business has high start up costs and economies of scale, or when a piece of technology is kept secret

>>136004770
There would certainly be monopolies. It's the highest goal of a free market entrepreneur.

>>136004795
That's the spirit. Good luck getting to that point without getting slaughtered first.

>>136004795
again, you're not talking about anarcho capitalism there
and if you're going to run a business like that, it'd probably be best to get robots as they'd be cheaper to maintain, will work as long as you have electricity and won't complain about the standards

>>136004698
>for whatever reason, be it high start up costs or complex and secret tech
or the state. in fact, if you were to chart every time someone was unable to compete with an entity, the state would take up such a large number of examples everything else would look like statistical noise

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Oh, man, I have so many erect cocks in my mouth, DURRR
I'm a HUGE RETARD, that's why I'm an AnCap, because of my down's. I blow cock and eat feces, I'm a HOMO DURRRRR :'(

Capitalist education is superior to socialist education.
Try it and find out.
It's what your socialist party leaders do.

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>>136005156
You speak like a Commie. Are you secretly a Commie pretending to be someone else? Nah can't be.

>>136001339
People will drift towards creating governments once you remove them. You'll see humanity go from individuals through tribes to countries again. It's an endless loop.

>>136002003
Yeah. That isn't ancap. That is plain deception leading to dictatorship.

>>136005095
>proofs

u seem to be falsely implying that without government a monopoly could never form. which is easily could in a lawless cesspit where the only law is the rule of money

also
>rule of the wealthy
>not realizing that nearly 50% of the top 1% are all (((chosen people)))
>stop shilling for the koch brothers u stupid goy

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>>136005059
Thanks buddy. It'd be a climb, but for every enterprising businessman there's a thousand mindless wage-takers eager for something to fill their days with. I'm sure finding labor wouldn't be hard.

>>136005082
Of course it's capitalism, I'm starting and running a business with the intent to expand and proliferate and turn a profit.

Robots would be too much of an initial investment. I'd rather just import third worlders to do the work. Paying engineers costs quite a bit - paying a goon with a gun is a fraction of that. And if a machine breaks, fixing it or replacing it is a hefty cost... a person breaks? Throw them out, replace them with whoever's next at the welfare line.

I agree with some parts of AnCap but I'm closer to Geoism or Mutalism. More Cap less An.

With that said I still do enjoy a good AnCap maymay.

>>136001339
How do ancaps plan to save the environment?

>>136005457
Without control over their government supported central bank giving them free money the jews would have no power.

>>136005556
build golf courses everywhere, they have the best environment

>>136001339
>it weeds out the useless people of society
This isn't even necessarily true. Look at Africa for instance. They have virtually no welfare state to speak of, yet their fertility rate is the highest in the world. Even if you get rid of government, you still need to deal with the do gooder faggots that want to help niggers.

>>136001339
>the NAP is flawed
It's not flawed, it's outright retarded. Memecap is no better than commies. You better neck yourself.

>>136005661
>building a gold course in a rainforest

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>>136005699
unironically pic related

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>>136005757
Why not. they look amazing.

The problem with democracy is that not everyone should have a voice, specifically the stupid ones. So much of today's infastructure in first world countries is based on idiots who were manipulated. E.g. billions of dollars for well-fare that goes toward paying for the lazy nigger lifestyle, billions of dollars that goes towards paying for the boogie lifestyle. All degenerate shit voted for by morons who were manipulated by the runners for votes. When you only appeal to the lowest common denominator you get absolute shit fests like Americas spending budget. Imagine where you'd be if well-fare and healthcare money went towards the sciences.

>>136001339
>it weeds out the useless people of society

Define useless

What I always catch from retards like you, is the fact that while you have a great understanding of how people and society works, you have never touched a single philosophical lesson of any kind. You don't seem to be aware that life has ups and downs. Many people who are deemed ''useless'' in their youth, eventually either kills themselves or becomes something greater than their peers. Statistics supports this. Metaphysics of the mind supports this, for the only way to grow stronger, is to swim in a sea of hurt.

No person in this world should hold any form of power unless they've stared into the cold fucking abyss that awaits us all. See the situation now, people dont fucking do the retarded shit they do because they think it's right, they do it because they have never suffered enough to mentally engage themselves on the subject of human nature. They are blind to the fact that they can chose to become the change they want to see in the world.

Besides, you are probably american, retards usually are, and I can see why you'd want the poor to get gassed over there. But the fact of the matter is, if you build a society on this, the world would crack. Every time a mom or a dad has to get leave because of their newborn child, they'll end up getting killed because they are spending their time raising a child who has no value in a society such as this.

>>136005366
DUrrr uhhh me tarded DUHHHH HURRRR put cocks in my BUTT LMAO I'm a AnAutist I play poopie games ahahahaha aaahhh waaaaah *shits pants* oh, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
duuhhhhhh DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>136006023
that's what family and friends are for. Ask them for welfare if you want. but don't come crying to the state.

Ancaps are naive retards.

>>136006023
>Define useless
people who live off of MY money and then have the gall to despise me for being richer than them, even though i'm the only reason they're afloat right now
and no, i'm not american

>>136006379
Me ancap me suck poop off penis *tips fedora*

>>136006379
It's just we are so far right that from our point of few National Socialists look like hippies. We don't just want to discriminate based on race and culture like you. that's fine and we agree with it. But we also want to discriminate based on everything else. Unleash the FULL POWER of human insanity and see how far it goes. We have moved so far beyond anything you can comprehend it's not even funny anymore.

>>136001339
You are genuinely retarded.
A welfare state must exist: education is paramount to the production of economically productive citizenry. Likewise, roads are required for travel by vehicle and to ensure the competent, reliable, and safe travel (all of which are the path of least resistance) for commercial shipping, workforce transportation, and emergency services. Which brings us to another point: Police, Lawyers, EMTs, Firefighters, and Judges should not have any potential conflicts of interest, therefore, they should be on a public dole.

>but hurr I don't want law, or lawyers, I have non-aggression
They're just words. People break laws all the time, they'll happily break yours as well.
>well then my private military will defend me, I pay them to.
And what stops them from coming and killing you? Assume they do; is there any retroactive consequence outside of a negative yelp review? No.

>if you get rekt by someone more powerful than you, it's what you deserve
You were born an infant, if your mother smothered you in the crib, did you deserve it cause you were crying? If your wife shoots you, did you deserve it cause she's a good shot?

Your argument is fallacious, and your position is poorly argued. Also

>it's literally perfect in every sense:
>the NAP is flawed
is not a positive.

>>136004698
>for whatever reason, be it high start up costs or complex and secret tech
or the state. in fact, if you were to chart every time someone was unable to compete with an entity, the state would take up such a large number of examples everything else would look like statistical noise

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Most people (the majority of ANCAP supporters included) are dumb as fucking rocks. They are unable to decide what's good or bad for them and therefore they are going to fuck themselves and people around them up. So if the society's well-being is important to you, you need to take rights away (the right to vote should go first imo) from general public, not let them do whatever they want.
ANCAP is a beautiful concept but people are too stupid (and dishonest) for it to work.

Well fare should be the barest minimum to support people in hard times where they would LITERALLY die otherwise. Not, oh I can't afford food because my phone plan and Netflix subscription just ate my paycheck. I mean people who literally have nothing, they sold all their possessions and they still have no food. Only then should people get well-fare and only in the form of stamps for food and essential items. It would also only be valid for nutritious food items, no sodie-pop and a packet o' crisps bullshit. Fucking potatoes and tomatoes.

If someone takes this plan then they must be sterilized and children may be taken into custody depending on the situation. This is to avoid them breeding and producing more dependents.

Healthcare should be privatized. If people can't afford to live because they have some fucked up genetics or they killed themselves through diabeetus or aids, they really shouldn't be alive to breed or to leech from society.

>>136006981
No, let them die. Let others see what happens when you fuck up. This encourages saving and self defense.

>>136006783
>... shouldn't have conflict of interest

because working for the government isn't a conflict of interest

it's not like the government is heavily lobbied by (((businesses))) or anything.

>>136007080
wallah durrr fuck ahha durrrrr my panties are such a MESS

>>136007080
So kids should die if they were born to shitty parents?

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>>136007314
Absolutely. Let those shitty genes die out.

>>136007314
No, they can just join the "Willing Slave" program.

>>136007314
lol I thought you said shitty panties which I have because I'm a gay retard like all other ancaps *gags on cum* haha ha hahahahaha duhhhh ahahaha

>>136007122
^skillfuly sidesteps all the other arguments.

>>136007384
Your ability as a parent isn't determined by your genes. Most people are pretty bad parents to be honest and with such a high pressure on money you'd be pretty fucked trying to raise a kid as well.

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btw what do you think of Trump. Think he's going to make it? Or will the (((Deep State Commies))) stop him.

>>136007574
We'd have a LOT more money if we'd stop paying them for doing nothing and let the welfare Niggers and their welfare kids die out.

>>136007665
I think he'll take a big fat shit right in the toilet bowl and maybe I'll get to eat it because I sit around in the sewer all day collecting logs to shove down my retarded gullet #JustAnCapThings

>>136007520
I don't feel like addressing the points, my time isn't worth it. You can always pay me though, please contact my secretary. The price is 0.001 bitcoins. Thank you for your interest in McAnCap(TM) Philosophies(TM) Inc.

>>136007813
Hey, fellow retard, you sure owned that guy. I have autism and a small cock.

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>>136002493
Paleo crew > nazbol gang.

Also Tucker Carlson is AnCap.

>>136007770
The thing is you won't have anything if it's done the way I suggested. You have the food you eat and the necessities like toiletpaper and soap that you use. You don't sit around watching TV because you don't have one. You don't get paid money, you get 2 potatoes a day and the essentials.

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>>136007919
is he really? I feel like I've heard him defend statism before.

>>136003664
Money is a symbol of voluntary exchange, you simp.

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>>136004150
kek

>>136007936
> you get 2 potatoes a day and the essentials.
A good start. But still too much in my opinion. Want to survive? Get the money yourself, everyone can do something. Want to get welfare? Ask your friends or family. And if not even they think you are worth keeping you alive then why should the rest of society be burdened.

>>136007919
I think the best thing about being a retard is all the Jewish cocks you get to suck. NazBols don't even have kikes in their movement to worship: PATHETIC *drools, shits pants*

>>136001339
> Anarchy
> Capitalism

Pick one

>>136008215
Surviving is never enough for anyone. Everyone has the drive to own more and the amount you'd be spending on two potatoes and some pieces of paper is so negligible it wouldn't even dent the market.

>>136008215
Hey anon, I will give you a rifle and four guys for you to command, I want you to rob Anon #2's potato storage facility. You'll get to keep 25% of the potatoes.

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>>136001339
>would happily slit your throat and rob you
The best way to judge ideology is to pay attention what its adepts projecting on others.

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>>136007919
who?

>>136008020
You think that because he's an esoteric Paleo AnCap strategist.

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Check out my ancap standup routine:
>So I'm sitting around dribbling excrement out of my asshole that's gone completely incontinent due to the overwhelming number of immense cocks I've shoved up there when a man came by and told me "Hey, don't you think you're ideology's a little bit retarded?"
>So I tells him, "yeah, it is, and so am I, that's why I believe in it" and then I screeched and waved my arms around and tried to bite my own ear. *ba dum tsss*
>Afterwards I heard a car horn and began crying and ululating due to being overstimulated, then I grabbed my handler's crotch and begged him to let me suck him

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>>136007919
>>136008408
LOL! ANFAGS actually think having the same political belief as a fox news talking head is respectable! Am I being baited?!

>>136008380
No one materializes into existence out of nothing and has zero access to any assets. The people that made you. Be it your parents, or your slave lord breeder, or the corporate owner or whoever the fuck else. Those people and you yourself are responsible for your well being and survival. No one else.

>>136008393
Hah, but now I traced your IP using my Mc(TM)Wendy's(TM) latest Web(TM)Tunneler(TM). I have deployed my Target-class(TM) Automatic(TM) Reconnaissance(TM) Doom-bringer(TM) to your location.

>>136008793
Tucker Carlson is an angel. How dare you try to deface him as a "talking head"

>>136008319
But they are one in the same.
Anarchy: no rulers
Capitalism: I get to do with the resources I have acquired through voluntary exchange or homesteading as I see fit
The only way to degrade Capitalism is to impose violent aggression on individuals exercising their will over their property, i.e. statism.

>>136008793
No, you're just reading a conversation between complete retards.

>>136001339
>how the fuck is anarcho-capitalism looked down up, let alone ridiculed the way it is?
Because it's fucking retarded.
>it's literally perfect in every sense:
>it weeds out the useless people of society
You aren't smart enough to determine who is,or isn't useless. You have zero right to impose that upon others.
>there is no one to tell you what to do or steal some of your money and give it to retards who despise you
Instead of a government taxing you,it'll be random people killing you,and taking your shit. You aren't smart enough to survive your own situation.
>the NAP is flawed, true, but in a government-less world, it's as good as you'll need
With no one to actually enforce this,it's just words on paper.
>your achievements will truly be yours and your offspring will only be as successful as you were so you have an incentive to work hard
Implying anyone will fuck you.
>and to preemptively answer the 'arguments' against it:
>if you care for the poor, gas yourself you cuckold. they couldn't care less about you and would happily slit your throat and rob you if given half a chance
You're exactly the same as they are. I don't trust you,either.
>if you get rekt by someone more powerful than you, it's what you deserve
So you'll die? Fine by me.
>the end goal for ancap is to leave behind you bumbling retards and move to another planet
Which you aren't smart enough to achieve. You didn'treally think any of this through,did you? Inb4 "I'm top of the Mensa charts,with a 290 iq,with a rocket science degree. Or whatever dumbshit you're about to spout off.
Ancaps kys.

>>136008555
cant tell if serious
I do agree that one can be a philosophical ancap while arguing within the statist parameters we have no choice but to act within.

enjoy not having roads/paying to use every road

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>>136008898
No true scotsman besides yourself, eh?

>>136008991
a durrr a durrrr hahah WEEEEEEE DUUUURRR hahah WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>136008764
>u gay
great comedy, freindo

>>136001339
Gay

>>136009059
I, too, am a complete retard, because I'm a drooling, pants-shitting ancap whose mom breastfed him until he was 17 years old

>>136008914
>You aren't smart enough to determine who is,or isn't useless. You have zero right to impose that upon others.
That is the central point of this. We are the only ones that let this be handled 100% by the free market and no socialist government committee or united nations or any of that crap.

>>136001722
>Needing anyone but yourself
Do you need help killing yourself too?

>>136008914
>You aren't smart enough to determine who is,or isn't useless. You have zero right to impose that upon others.
so you believe in letting time take its course and the universe do the weeding
that's ancap, dumbfuck
Statism/communism is an attempt to dictate what people deserve and how people should live

>>136009069
Thanks, I'll be here all week. *tips fedora* *soaks a nigger's warty dick in my sloppy AnCap saliva*

>>136009062
yes, ancaps are the retards, while you're only capable of calling us retards

>>136008991
I am very serious. Tucker Carlson although his show is hilarious meme teir shit, he is top teir intellectual Paleolibertarian

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>>136009042
>not having your own road right on your vehicle

I love to nibble on some bbc

>>136001339
>it weeds out the useless people of society
Useless people can still amass wealth, e.g. Kim Kardashian, trust fund autists, etc, leading to a dysgenic wealthy class born by virtue of luck rather than traits like IQ. Your a priori hatred of poor people would also be prevalent among the upper classes and rather than help a high IQ'd poor person secure employment, education, etc, you would just think they were poor trash.

Resources should be allocated on the basis of IQ. AnCap would be better than the current system but it is far from ideal.

>>136009411
Bro, that is SO AnCap! I'll one up you: I like BBC in my ass while I drink another man's semen from my wife's pussy. That'll show those statist commies!

>>136009318
but aren't paleolibs just minarchists?

>>136001339
>when your philosophy makes so little sense that every critique of what would result looks to you like an unrealistic strawman
FTFY

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>>136009042
its called a commercial tax. Household goods, arent supposed to be taxed, in teh way they FORCE BY THREAT everyone to tax license and register their going to work and grocery store personal convenance's.jpg

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>>136009411
>>136009687
You know your ideology is right when the only criticisms are "nigga u gay"

>>136009711
tell me an apocalyptic result and I'll tell you why you should probably actually study ancap for 5 minutes before spewing shit about it.

>>136009709
No Paleolibertarian is a term invented by Rothbard and Rockwell, they are both AnCaps, but left libertarians call us statists. So maybe there is the confusion.

>>136007665
tell me there is one like this with a moab on afghanistan

>>136009813
Exactly! My only arguments in defence of Anarcho-Capitalism are to remind everybody that I, like all ancaps, am a gay, retarded scat fetishist: this means I'm right.

Some ancaps even go so far as to suck dick for a copy of Duck Hunt. I would do this, because I am an ancap

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>>136009800
>these are commercial vehicles.jpg
you can tell the difference, can't you>

>>136001339
You can just say you want feudalism back. It's ok, dude.

>>136009042
What is ez-pass?

>>136004770
>monopolies are only possible because the government actively works to keep them in power.


Wrong.

See: Company Town & Company Store https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store

>>136002986
Government education sure is great! The infrastructure? Absolutely flawless. I love my great government, thanks to our incorruptible politicians we live in an age of peace and prosperity with absolutely no problems at all.

>>136010362
Fuedalism with modern tech would be pretty sweet.

>>136001339
>it weeds out the useless people of society
No it doesn't, that's why classical liberalism turned into the welfare state.

>>136010362
No! Feudalism is defensible if by feudalism you just mean hereditary rule. I, as an Anarcho-Capitalist, do not believe in anything but having down-syndrome and blowing niggers

>>136010444
For what purpose

>>136004111
Please educate yourself. Read some Rothbard, Hoppe, Mises. If you won't go full AnCap you will at least have a better understanding of it. I also highly recommend David Hume.

>>136001339
>how the fuck is anarcho-capitalism looked down up, let alone ridiculed the way it is?
It's like the opposite of communism and it's still dumb. It's very ironic if you ask me.

>>136010527
More efficient and civil social order. Especially compared to democracy.

>>136001339
Unrealistic strawman:
>roads
>monopolies
>who will stop me or others from creating state, government and army?

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>>136001339
The problem is that most people aren't ancap, so we can't form an ancap society unless we either kill most people (since they would inevitably form a government and try to oppress us) or we form our own micro-states that ancaps move to. These micro-states would of course be extraordinarily wealthy and powerful relative to their size, thanks to free market capitalism and the fact that they would function as a tax haven for corporations.

>>136004282

That has literally nothing to do with what I said you strawman fighting imbecile.

The claim put forth is that NatSoc is literally perfect, it is functionally wrong as more than one NatSoc country has had to switch to another form of governance which by definition means it is not perfect, you can go fuck yourself jawing about the UN and EU.

>>136010710
>small-time aristocrats spending their lives squabbling over petty fiefdoms
>efficient
bruh.

>>136001339
Aren't we already moving towards it on a global level?

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>>136010759
>b-but the invisible hand of the free market

>>136010759

>Everyone builds roads on their own property for their transport and to charge others for the use of your roads
>You spend that money on traveling through other peoples lands on their roads
>In the end people who do less traveling and have more important/better roads will make more money.

That took me like, 3 seconds to think about. Maybe you should try thinking one day?

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>>136010990
Okay, now answer the non-meme ones.

>>136010836
At least the monarch doesn't need approval from retarded commie masses to organize his domain. Ur just mad that aristocracy is the natural order and you'll never overthrow it.

>>136010775
>These micro-states would of course be extraordinarily wealthy and powerful relative to their size, thanks to free market capitalism and the fact that they would function as a tax haven for corporations.


Wrong, the "micro-state" would not be powerful. A small group or even single person at its head would be powerful and wealthy while the rest live in squalor.


Again: See Company Town / Company Store

TFW the Wild West had towns that are literally what people are jerking off ITT about and the stories of the suffering and oppression in these towns as people starved to death are still ruminated over to this day because of how extensive they are.

>>136011122
Robespierre did pretty well I think :))

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>>136011134
>See Company Town/Company Store
The thing that could only exist before capitalism brought cheap and easy fast traveling to the world via automobiles?

>>136010990
>Everyone builds roads on their own property for their transport and to charge others for the use of your roads


You are literally shitposting on the digital equivalent of a digital government road project build out by industry about how we don't need such a system

If you want to LARP so hard: Fuck off.

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>>136010928
What the hell is wrong with selling your surplus babies? Nothing.

>>136011235
>brought cheap and easy fast traveling to the world via automobiles?


So you are citing the Interstate Road System as the thing that will save you from the AnCap society you love so much...the same Interstate Road System that would not exist in an AnCap State?


Are you retarded?

>>136010990
>>Everyone builds roads on their own property
Great, so how are they connected into working road system? Or you just think everyone builds his own equivalent of toy railroad and drives around in circles on his property and has a good time?

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>>136011361
>the same Interstate Road System that would not exist in an AnCap State?
The road meme again?

>>136011469
The road meme never ends

>implying the internet wouldn't have been created without a government
are you actually retarded?

>>136011068
>monopolies
Can't exist without forces outside the free market interfering. Whoever makes the best/cheapest product will get the most sales. If it gets too expensive or too shitty someone else will come in and make something better.

>state, government, army
no-one. You will be free to do whatever you want on your own property. if you want to create a shitty little communist island you can. You won't be able to steal anyone's land or resources without violating the NAP.

>inb4 nap memes
Any threat to one business is a threat to other businesses. This will effectively create a union of businesses that protect each other. Anyone who violates it will get fucked by everyone else because their property will be free-for-all.

>>136011335
o

>>136011469
>can't even debunk a shitty meme despite multiple attempts
>finally starts just dismissing it
fucking lmao

>>136011459
The incentive of money you mong. If you connect the roads with your neighbor you get payed by them using it. This extends across the entire country. The more people you connect the more money you make. It's a collectivist goal to make money and to create convenience.

>>136011810
So who enforces this bureaucratic spaghetti-string nightmare?

>tfw you sit on your worthless ass all day but you arent worthless because you have the right (((ideology)))

none of your retarded shit matters, none of you have any communes or corporations so i dont even know what is the point of all these walls of pure shitpost anyway
remember
none of you have any communes or corporations
or anything
all you do is shitpost

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>>136011361
Private schools are better than Socialist schools. Private clubs are better than Socialist camps. Private restaurants are better than Socialist soup kitchens. Private bridges are better than Socialist river spanning death traps. And private roads are better than Socialist speed limited pothole nightmares.

>>136011786

>When you cite road meme not being debunk in this thread even though it's already been done in this thread but it's okay because you're communist so you can't read.

>>136010990

>>136011810
>The more people you connect the more money you make
It's not hard to see that if roads pass through property of many people it significantly hikes up the costs as everyone collects their rightful tolls from passing transport.

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>>136011786
People need a road to get to work. So there's a demand for a road. A company builds a road. They profit from that road. People use that road to get to work. If they overcharge, then people use an alternate route.

>>136011915
The NAP. The Union of businesses who all profit by cooperation.

>>136012135
If the road isn't important or it's too expensive it won't be used. If you own a tiny bit of road and charge excessive amounts then people will go around. Also the money you spend on using other peoples' road will be made up by your road.

>>136001339
What makes you think the poor disenfranchised wont just stat burning cities to the ground when they stop getting their gimmies?

>>136012181
>If they overcharge, then people use an alternate route.
Not if they company owns every other feasible route to it (just a circle around the destination)

>>136011682
>Can't exist without forces outside the free market interfering
ANFAGS actually believe this!

Do you need a history lesson on folks like Rockeffeller? Tell me how he amassed his monopoly through the hands of the goverbment.

>>136012327
An attractive job as a hired gun. Then you slowly lower the price and kill of any rebels.

>>136012263
>The Union of businesses
>profit by cooperation
I thought you guys were rugged individualists who thought profiting by competition was the best way to go. How do you acknowledge the fact that businesses will band together and cooperate WHILE denying the fact that monopolies will dominate in that sort of climate?

>>136012003
you don't know what socialism is and you don't understand economics at all. Austrian Econ is literally the laughing stock of economics departments across the world.

>>136012503
Go starve somewhere else. You disgusting Commie.

>>136012263
>amounts then people will go around
Choice requires possibility, if there are no roads, or they requires too much time/money for users to build, they will be forced to comply. People don't have limitless financial resources to meet their wishes just because big G is out of the picture.
>Also the money you spend on using other peoples' road will be made up by your road.
Yep, and that's how we feed natural circle of inflation

>>136012592
o

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>>136012382
>Not if they company owns every other feasible route to it (just a circle around the destination)
Well now you're looking at the employer having a serious problem with that road company. He likely might even build a couple roads himself to make sure that doesn't happen. Otherwise the incentive for people to work for him goes way down, and he likely goes out of business, thus putting way less traffic on the roads and costing the road company money.

>>136012383
I don't even know what to say. You honestly believe Rockeffeler would have been able to make his money the same way in an AnCap situation?

>>136012473
Because fighting constantly isn't profitable in most cases and anyone who tries to do so will be seen as a threat to most businesses and therefore they will band together to enforce an economic treaty, the NAP. Everyone is out for themselves and in most cases that means cooperation. I don't think you understand how profitable it is to have 'friends'.

>>136003273
You think that's what commies actually believe?
hahahaha you guys are dumber than I thought

>>136011469


Yes, it disseminated memetically because it is the proper response to your stupidity.

>>136012592
Nod a argumend

>>136012803
What I was saying is please go to Venezuela if you want to enjoy the fruits of Socialism. And leave us normal people in peace.

>>136012749
But I do understand how profitable it is to have 'friends.' It's far more profitable than constant competition. Cooperation between businesses develops into monopoly. Monopoly is by far the most profitable stage a business could occupy.

If you acknowledge the existence of monopoly, you've discovered one of the many reasons an AnCap 'society' is doomed to fail.

>>136003664
That bottom left corner should say, "Too stoned to turn tyrannical"

>>136012749
He would've made more.

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>>136012749
>He could make his monopoly in a laissez faire economoy, but he certainly couldn't make it in an AnCap economoy
Yeah you need to explain that.

>>136012737
>He likely might even build a couple roads himself to make sure that doesn't happen
The company owns all land around it, can't dig it or fly over it without breaking the NAP. What's now?
>Otherwise the incentive for people to work for him goes way down, and he likely goes out of business, thus putting way less traffic on the roads and costing the road company money.
So everybody is herded towards the other place controlled by the big road owner where he wants them. He might even lax his harsh policies within several specific settlements to attract more people and companies where he wants them and where he creates better conditions for friendly companies and benefits from his other businesses serving his herd of ancaps.

>>136012946
Lol Venezuela is socialist? You don't know what socialism is do you?

>>136012749
>Everyone is out for themselves and in most cases that means cooperation. I don't think you understand how profitable it is to have 'friends'.
You get it, brother!
The rest of you ought to take notice.
Decency isn't just in our collective self-interest.
It is also in our individual self-interest.

>>136012954
As opposed to Communist societies which have all succeeded and are prospering.
AnCap works great. Just look at Vegas. The mafia runs it and everything works just fine.

>>136012003

Yep, that is why there are so many private Interstate Roa- oh wait, you are full of shit. It is almost as though the private solution is not one size fit all and doesn't work in some situations.

>>136002003
this is a serious. they'll hand out the living wage so people are complacent as the robots are put in place, and one day the rich will use them to kill off all the poors and repopulate with rich genes.

>>136012946
Lol Venezuela lmao

>>136013006
Jesus christ. That's a fucking PhD essay on economics alone. It's 1 am here and I'm barely mashing out coherent responses to questions. I'm going to go to bed. Maybe we'll meet again in the next AnCap meme war.

>>136013141
In Venezuela the state owns all production and the free market owns nothing. Venezuela is textbook Socialism.

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>>136012954
>But I do understand how profitable it is to have 'friends.'
That's what corporations are. A group of "friends" working together (albeit with some friendly competition every now and then) and in cooperation with and sometimes competition against other corporations.

>Cooperation between businesses develops into monopoly
Which (unless that monopoly is giving a product which everyone wants at a price everyone is willing to pay at a quality everyone is willing to accept) will inevitably fall to competition.

>>136012792
>literally taught in schools
such organic, much proper
>UN flag
Nobody uses that flag sincerely, so fuck, I'm actually sorry I'm not the killer debunk you were probably trying to bait out.

>>136007122
Oh, you're literally just a meme.

4/10 made me reply. Leftypol or just a normal shitter? Would hate to be jebaited by a libshit.

Daily Commie reminder that the USSR was first country for everything in the space race except the moon landing and that Cuba has cured lung cancer and stopped the transmission of HIV from mother to child. That is all.

>>136013190
>toll roads don't exi...
oh wait.

>>136013259
A monopoly can squeeze out competition by selling at a loss until the competition is dead, then ratchet up their prices again. Once a monopoly is formed it can't by stopped by anything short of state intervention.

>>136013230
>DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN SUCH A SIMPLE CONCEPT TO YOU?!
>yes
>I-IT WOULD BE A DOCTORAL THESIS TO DO SO, I CAN'T BE BOTHERED NOW
fuck off

>>136013250
There's private businesses in Venezuela you stupid faggot lol, and if the government owning things is "socialism" how is it that all anarchists before Rothtard were socialists? lol you're a fucking ahistorical idiot kill yourself with a recreational McNuke

>>136002003
Did you really have to make laugh of yourself just to completely morally debunk yourself in the end with political goals on par with GULAGs and concentrain camps? At least people left GULAGs and camps sometimes.

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>>136013426
>selling at a loss until the competition is dead
Then I can buy their products while they're selling at a loss, and once they can't afford to do so anymore I'll just sell the products for a profit.

>>136013384
And Stalin only had to sacrifice 40 million people to do it. Totally worth sending 2 guys into space that the american free market did for much cheaper and went much further and without killing millions of their own people.

>>136013147
USSR did pretty good
China's doing pretty good
NK's on a pretty great path despite being under blockade from literally everyone but China and maybe Russia
No poor children in Cuba

Yeah I'd say commie societies have done pretty well historically. How many successful ancap societies can you point to?

>>136013324

The levels of non-argument here are through the roof

>>136013452
It would you fucking autist. People have written PhDs on how Rockeffeler came to power in the current system. You want me to write one on an alternative reality. Not only do I need to consider the hypothetical boundaries I also need to apply the philosophy of that Jew and his business practices to it. Maybe you should try doing something other than bitching.

>>136013531
>There's private businesses in Venezuela
Wrong. You can't even sell eggs. Everything must pass through government hands.

>>136013384
Also turned Afghanistan into normal puppet state country for a while which Brits and Americans couldn't do.

>>136013635
>implying planned obsolescence doesn't exist
>implying they'll sell you product wholesale
>implying your little business will make the slightest dent in their operation
Not a solution.

>>136013006
Durrrr its cuz competition will happen. literally ANYONE can compete with the largest industry in the country literally ANYONE. All you gotta do iz say "hey industry whatchur doinz bad and im gonna compete wif u durrr" its that eazy checkm8 gommunists.

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>>136013643
>NK's on a pretty great path
wat

>>136013407

>Government operated toll roads are AnCap operated and somehow also includes large-scale interstate ones too because you say so

Why don't you tell the class how you got on the Apple Autobahn today to get to work


Reminder: The internet is by definition a rebuke on AnCap bullshit so if you want to LARP: Fuck.Off.

>>136013426
how to out yourself as completely uneducated in economy in one post.

>>136013728
even if that were true which it's not that still isn't socialism fucking idiot

>>136013851
99.999% of serves that run and maintain the internet are in private hands you mog.

>>136013826
They're now totally self-sufficient, their economy is growing, and they're on the verge of acquiring the weapons necessary to secure their sovereignty. What's the problem?

>>136013908
The AnCap cycle:
>hey here's a problem with your society
>hi here's a half-baked solution
>yo i think i found a hole in your solution can you explain why this isn't a problem
>N-NO IM JUST SO MUCH MORE EDUCATED THAN YOU

>>136013706
Maybe you should try actually arguing for your beliefs instead of bitching that it'd be too hard.

>>136013728
>You can't even sell eggs
Judging by Soviet example people will do it anyways. Venezuela don't have enough forces to stop it. But black market speculants are always greedy shits taking an arm and a leg so fo figure what hinders it.

>>136013643
>USSR did pretty good
>China's doing pretty good
>NK's on a pretty great path despite being under blockade from literally everyone but China and maybe Russia
>No poor children in Cuba

This is how delusional commies are.

>>136013637
Hahahaha what are you talking about? Free market? NASA is the free market? lol.

Stalin didn't kill 40 million people and even if he did it has nothing to do with the space race.

>>136013953
>government literally owns and controls everything
>it's not Socialism.
Well what is it then. You genius.

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>>136013766
>implying planned obsolescence doesn't exist
If planned obsolescence is so bad that I can't even a little bit for the company to stop selling at a loss, then I'll just sell a superior and longer lasting product.

>implying they'll sell you product wholesale
They don't know what I plan to do with it.

>implying your little business will make the slightest dent in their operation
I'm not the only one who would be in on it. Every business from her to timbuktu would want a piece of the profits.

>>136013706
>People have written PhDs on how Rockeffeler came to power in the current system
You can't be serious. Son of an extremely wealthy family coming to power? That's something unheard of and requires a thesis!

>>136013996


Yep, completely operated by private hands and running on a backbone and infrastructure built out on a Government Developed protocol and on a backbone paid for by tax breaks and subsidies provided by the government.


It is almost like it is just like the Interstate Road - Private Car situation that there is still no AnCap answer for in this thread or at all.

>>136014162


Yep, we are all waiting with baited breath for the AnCap Anon Smartphone, it will be out literally any day now.

Anarcho-capitalists are lambasted because of the 'anarcho' part of their name. Anarchy is a state that exists between governments, it cannot exist as a government in and of itself. Any time people try to implement anarchy as a state, the allowance of groups to do what they please simply leads to the largest and strongest group enforcing whatever rules they see fit, which in turn makes them the new de facto government of the attempted anarchical state. Capitalism works fine as an economic system, but if you truly believe you'll ever be able to liberate capitalism 100% from the bounds of government then you have no idea how human nature works

>>136014068
>>USSR did pretty good
After backwards Russian Empire, WWI, Civil War and WW2 in short succession? Yep, USSR was actually doing amazingly well.

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Are all lefties just trolling or are they actual full retards. You get opinions from them like. "It's not Socialism when the government owns everything." "Competition has never achieved anything" And "North Korea is doing great."

These cannot be real people.

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You know, the Road jokes are actually a Statist Strawman Argument. We can hire private contractors to build roads for us. With the Free Market, roads will become cheaper, and higher quality. That's the power of Capitalism buds.

>>136013643
>what are mass killings under communist regimes for 100, Alex?
Other countries are doing "pretty well" without the mass graves.

>>136014162
>If planned obsolescence is so bad that I can't even a little bit for the company to stop selling at a loss, then I'll just sell a superior and longer lasting product.
...which will sell at a loss. The monopoly can eat the loss longer than you can. If you have enough startup capital you might bloody their nose, but you can't compete with a monopoly.

>They don't know what I plan to do with it.
>I'm not the only one who would be in on it. Every business from her to timbuktu would want a piece of the profits.
They still don't have to sell it in wholesale quantities. They can bar any individual they wish from purchasing it. They can render the product inoperable if purchased from anyone but their monopoly.

>>136014014
If you're not here just to be a troll, start with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Opvlmy8i8

>>136014493
>We can hire private contractors to build roads for us.

Tell us all about those great roads between Company Towns in the Wild West era, and about how the ones that existed never got raided

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>>136014402
But phones aren't even a monopoly, you have several different options for getting a phone. You're kind of proving my point here, if monopolies are such a problem we would have expected one to rise up in the phone market by now.

>>136014496
The mass graves were a result of famine in historically famine-prone areas. Each of those areas to suffer a famine under a communist regime suffered it only once, and famine has never occurred there again.
Show me one recurring famine under communism. There's plenty in capitalist Africa.

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>>136013643
USSR: Collapsed in 1991
China: Embraced the Free Market in some form.
NK: A Total Shithole and Backwards dictatorship
Cuba: Once again, shithole.
This faggot is completely wrong, and needs to be thrown off a helicopter right now!

>>136014301
Um. You know that the "backbone" of the internet. The undersea cables are all built and maintained by private corporations. All 100% of them.

>>136014136
not socialism you fucking moron lol, You do realize that "muh gubbermind duz stuff" is something only illiterate fucktards think right? hahahha read a book nigga

>>136014704
Wow so edgy, you could work for NKVD

>>136001339
Yeah but who will build the roads?

>>136014405
You gonna respond to this actual argument OP or keep tearing down the commie strawmans?

>>136014779
>Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by government.
Venezuela sure looks like Socialism to me.

People don't seem to understand the government is just one massive super corporation and you pay them with your taxes. The reason the government is so shit is it tries to handle everything itself instead of specializing. The money you save from not paying taxes goes towards paying the companies that specialize in the infrastructure you're using making the product better and cheaper. On top of that you don't have to pay for what you don't want. E.g. you don't pay for roads if you don't use them.

>>136014470
>It's not Socialism when the government owns everything

Ding ding ding we have a winner everyone!!! Stupidest fucking post of the thread!!!

This guy thinks when socialists claim socialism isn't when the government owns they're trolling. Drink bleach!

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>>136014559
>...which will sell at a loss
Why would it sell at a loss? I'd be selling it for a more expensive price, yes, but I'd also be selling a superior product, which would save people money in the long run.

>>136014559
>They still don't have to sell it in wholesale quantities. They can bar any individual they wish from purchasing it. They can render the product inoperable if purchased from anyone but their monopoly.
That sounds like a very expensive way of making sure no one else sells their phone, and unless they make me sign a contract then I can probably make changes to the phone to prevent it from becoming inoperable, change the code or something.

>>136014729
>80% of Soviet citizens voted to not collapse the government, were on course to overtake US GDP in 2007. Yeltsin dissolved anyway.
>Not free market. Almost all Chinese industry is publicly owned.
>1/3rd of population killed and every population center destroyed literally 60 years ago
>better off than the rest of the carribean despite being the only one under siege from the US

try again

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>>136014783
there you go. replied to myself

>Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by government.
Venezuela sure looks like Socialism to me.

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>>136014793
How the heck are phones edgy?

>>136014704
>But phones aren't even a monopoly


The phone operating system market is a duopoly and in the past was a monopoly

Apple is crushing almost all other phone makers in terms of actual profit, with its competitors barely treading water with a few exceptions.

And your point was that if obsolescence cycles were very quick you would just up and make your own phone yourself. That is by definition the state of the smartphone market.

By your logic you should have already started making your phone. It is almost as though your supposed outline of how that situation would pan out is idealistic bullshit and not how the real world works.

>>136014947
OK. We get it. Venezuela is not Socialism. So tell us what it is then.

>>136003664

I agree, money and usury has and always will be the tool of the jew. However, I don't think with current population levels we could ever return to a labour based economy.

>>136014917
where'd you get that definition from? the mises institute? you've never read marx kropotkin proudhon or any socialist

>>136014982
Expense isn't in the equation for monopolies. Unless you have more money than the monopoly, they can outlast you.

>>136015120
Venezuela is a liberal democracy with an ideologically socialist president. It's a capitalist welfare state.

>>136015037
The picture. Also Saudis are the true master race and economic miracle, I see.

>>136014779

So you can't read? Good to know.

I at no point said that private industry is not a big part of the internet. I said that the internet was developed by the government and the infrasctructure buildout that makes up its backbone was paid for with subsidies and tax breaks.

Or are you trying to deny that the 1996 Telecom Act exists?

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>>136014705
Ukraine: 1930s (7-10 Million)
Russia: 1947 (1.5 Million)
China: 1959-1961 (15-45 Million)
Khmer Rouge: 1970s (2 Million)
North Korea: 1990s (200K-3.5 Million)
There is several examples of Communism causing famines, that's not a single death by war or execution but starvation alone because of Communism. Retard.

>>136015115
And they exist in balance. If either of them tries to fuck the other over than the other will rise up and take their market. Wow, what a terrible system right goys?

5 anarcho-capitalists in this thread currently and they all wanna circle jerk about communism and socialism instead of biting into any real arguments like
>>136014405

You faggots need to understand that it's not the capitalist part that makes you retarded, it's the anarcho part. No land can exist without a government, if one did the strongest group within it would simply enforce their own views as a new government

>>136002493
wat

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>>136015152
>Venezuela is a capitalist welfare state.
What the fuck. You gotta explain that one to me. What is capitalist about Venezuela? They banned every capitalist business and kicked them out or took them over.

>>136015297
Tax breaks are not the same as financing something you mongrel. The private free market still built and paid everything. the state just agreed not to steal half of it. That's what a "tax break" is.

>>136015301
>khmer rouge
>communist
lol. CIA-backed puppet state.

As for the rest, they happened only once. Ukraine in particular had famine every 20 years through the entire Russian Empire. Never had a famine since. Show me a RECURRING FAMINE like those you see in third-world capitalist nations.

>>136003273
>the free market is a tool to be used carefully, not a god to be worshiped.

Value is the only faith that can actually be observed.

>>136015297
see >>136014921

you just love sucking that big mega corporation off don't you?

>>136001339
The universe of Grand theft Auto is an example of anarcho-capitalism so I heard

>>136011730
GIRL

>>136015120
it's capitalism and before you sperg the fuck out keep in mind you're using a completely unhistorical definition of capitalism and that's why no one likes you people. Venezuela has private businesses and capital in concentrated to serve elites, it has some welfare state policies but it's ultimately capitalism

>>136001339
What is it you like about the idea?
Because it does seem like a meme ideology and an excuse for big capitalism to hold power. Big capitalism is a big market distortion and i would be inclined to go with red/black over yellow/black if you do not develop your ideas.

> the end goal for ancap is to leave behind you bumbling retards and move to another planet
The way i try to help visualise it as opposed to other ideologies is
> EVERYBODY is getting a space ship. Not like Star Trek. Everyone has their own ship and thier own business.
Not unlike EVE but hopefully less violent.

> if you care for the poor, gas yourself you cuckold. they couldn't care less about you and would happily slit your throat and rob you if given half a chance
> if you get rekt by someone more powerful than you, it's what you deserve
That is what i mean. Not the biggest sell is it?

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>>136015161
They've got a lot of oil and a somewhat free market so they do pretty good.

>>136015152
>Unless you have more money than the monopoly, they can outlast you.
They wouldn't just have to outlast me. They'd have outlast every single person taking advantage of their shitty economic policies to start up a business, which would be an almost full time job. They would barely have time to make a profit.

It is true that a monopoly can abuse its position to a small extent, but only barely. It's only profitable to the point where competition cannot reasonably rise against them and they would have to sell at a loss.

>>136015400
The """government""" will be a Union of businesses where the higher the value the higher the sway. The law will be the NAP which keeps all other businesses in check.

It's essentially an oligarchy. It's not that hard to comprehend.

>>136015877
Traps are gay

>>136015572
>Tax breaks are not the same as financing something you mongrel.


>Skips over the subsidies part because it is convenient for his argument

Cool. Funfact: The tax breaks were specifically provided to fund the infrastructure build-out better by leaving the corporations funds to continue to build out the infrastructure, the tax breaks are massive.

> the state just agreed not to steal half of it
>Taxation is theft

And I suppose you live in the woods on your private property not using the internet or government roads.


GO read the 96' telecom act

>>136015955
That's funny because I don't see anyone in this thread advocating for 'oligarcho-capitalism'

>>136015899
So for you. Unless ALL money is destroyed and everyone starves it's always capitalism.
Everything in Venezuela is in state hands. Everything has one owner. This cannot be capitalism. There is no capital and there is no market.

>>136015681

>Government is a mega-corp

Ah, so this all stems from AnCap idiots not understanding the differences between a government and a company. Could have just said that from the start.

They teach that in High School, don't worry: after summer is finished you will go back.

>>136015837
>No NAP
It's more like Socialism. The NPCs own the means of production.

>>136016185
A company has to pay when it wants something. A government just grabs it.

>>136016157
It's not an entire Oligarchy as the elite are not fixed.

>>136016185
No there's one big difference. You can choose to pay a company for their services. A government forces you to pay for their services, whether or not you use them.