Why do people reject capitalism?

>>135999710
Both

>>135999710
Kikes

>>135999710
They are dumb and "educated" (indoctrinated).

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>>136001786
Jews love capitalism
Wallstreet

>>136001872
But capitalism also gives goiym a chance and they don't like that.

>>135999710
>Are they dumb or simply uneducated?
I assume that of all of the -ism obsessed

>>135999710
Because capitalism causes mass human suffering and is just as bad as any of the other systems that people shit on

>>135999710
they're mistaking capitalism for jewish extortion of gentiles

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>>136001945
>capitalism also gives goiym a chance

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>>135999710

>implying any country is capitalist
we all have a mixed-economy

i for one love my libraries, too bad freemarket capitalists want to make us dumb

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>>135999710
Because everybody is equal no matter if they have the backbone to work or not.

>>135999710
>>>136001872
'People'

>National Socialism
>Socialism
>SOCIALISM

>>136001945
Keep working a McDonald's, you will be rich one day goy - Capitalism

>>135999710
We're actually in the era of post-capitalism now. It's already failed. Some faggots point at stock market numbers and job reports, but those are just crumbs from the kleptocracy.

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>>135999710
They're too lazy to make anything for themselves with hard work and want everything handed to them.

>>136001945
>gives goiym a chance
wew lad

>>135999710
Because they have to.

If these people acknowledge that capitalism works, then they simultaneously confirm that they're all failures when placed in an equal opportunity environment that rewards individual abilities and effort.

>>135999710
Capitalism is a tool of the jew
This is a natsoc board

>>135999710
>sign made by capitalism

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>>136002029
Suffering is selling your soul to the devil for a few shekels. Socialism aka mild communism also means giving up many freedoms cos now the government decides what's best for you and losing lots and lots of hard earned cash through taxation.

>>135999710
Because capitalism is a method to transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest in long period of time.

>>136002329

>the same argument is presented x 100
>post made by internet made by military, made by government

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because its easier to be lazy
capitalsim is so pwoerful 24/7/365 anticapitalist bs has to be drilled at people
ask a democrat to implement his policy by himself in free market with his own money
see what happens

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>>135999710
Why the fuck you'll eat human flesh http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/02/police-make-arrest-decade-old-case-teen-girl-killed-body-put-kebab-meat/

>>136002249
>>136002223
>>136002126
> worthless subhumans demanding gibs
> meme flag faggots
Whew indeed

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Sick systems of social control. The people caught in a sick social system don't know it's sick. They usually think it's family.

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>>135999710
TIME FOR THIRD POSITION BOYZ!

>>136002434
>on computer, on ISP, on server, on application, on telecom infrastructure all made by capitalism

>>136002519
Just read it as them saying "I don't perceive myself as having the ability to succeed and therefore I believe it is impossible to succeed" and feel mild pity and disgust.

Broadly speaking, growth rates have been steadily falling for decades. Nowadays most developed countries are glad to see even 1.5% growth in their GDPs (in the 1960's, 4% or higher was expected). Things get exponentially worse if you drop the finances "industry" and other leech sectors from your calculations. For anything that matters, including ordinary people's lifestyle, capitalistic economies in developed countries have been in full regression in almost a decade.
If the argument for capitalism is "it's the system that WORKS!", then it's been getting really flimsy. It's only natural people start looking for possible alternatives.

>>136002667

guess we end up with mixed market then eh>>136002133

>still thinks its made by capitalism

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>>135999710
BECAUSE THEY ARE A BUNCH OF COMMIES AND HIPPIES WHO ALL SHOULD BE SHOT!
GOD I HATE THEM!

>>135999710
so many Anti-Semitics in this foto .. why dont you like capitalism goy?

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>>136002434
>paid by taxpayers
>aka male capitalists

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>>136002420
Sorry to give you a wake up call but that's actually socialism. You're forced to transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest in long period of time. In capitalism the free market decides you gets money. in capitalism you decide how your money is spent. Not so much in socialism.

>>136002753
>implying the government wasn't made by capitalism too

>>136002133
>implying you use public libraries
>implying they're not funded by ""philanthropists"" to control your mind
>implying they're used for anything more than keeping hobos from freezing to death in the winter any more

>>136002727
Literally it's not true capitalism
BECAUSE YOU FUCK IT UP GIVING PEOPLE SHIT
Quit that.
You don't need to spend any money whatsoever making it true capitalism, you need to spend LESS money to make it true capitalism.

>>136002133
>slavery of labour
that is a moral claim. where are you deriving your morals from

>>135999710
There's literally zero capitalistic countries in the world - only oligopolistic protectorates and other shady shit.
Free market is just a meme. Same idealistic bullshit as communism.

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>>135999710
They are simply losers

>>136002654
Fascist Italian art was quite ugly, don't know how you can support it.

>>136002799
Isn't bringing more children the overarching goal of society? Kinda expected that women would be a "burden". Try making that graph break down by years instead of cumulative, see how that looks.

>>135999710
It's just standard hopeless idealism.

>>135999710
>Are they dumb or simply uneducated?
Why do supporters of Capitalism think it's the best method but can only ever argue against Communism, are they dumb or simply uneducated?

>>135999710
Capitalism is a needed evil.

Whilst it's the best system we currently have we should be trying to move towards a post scarcity society if at all possible.

Because in the end capitalism is unsustainable due to finite resources and will eventually lead to global conflict.

>>136002888
You eliminate entitlement programs and you're left with a bunch of starving, homeless people. Starving, homeless people aren't very productive. What now, genius? Should they all just go out there and "get a job"?

>>136002753
>capitalism = ancap
Should know better than to give (you)s to a pirate flag shitposter.

>>136002949
>Try making that graph break down by years instead of cumulative
how about no? this is the only way to ACTUALLY see who is getting fucked in the ass
this chart is why you hear about the wage gap. they actually think it would change our reality

>>136002266
>there totally isn't anything possibly wrong with the system guys! It totally can do no wrong! A single graph in Economics 101 said so!

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>>136002029
>all systems are equally bad
Capitalists never lined up memebers of my family and shot them in a ditch. Capitalists never sent the women and children to camps in khazikstan. Capitalists never called them kulaks and stole their farm.
But communists did. Get fucked NEET

>>136003069
>Whilst it's the best system we currently have
Is it?

>>136003072
Yes.

>>136002949
The overarching goal of society is wealth. Everyone seeks to acquire it individually, and therefore it is also the collective goal. Good thing, too. Markets are a wonderful tool for rectifying greed into virtue. For in the market we seek to satisfy our greed through the provision of goods and services to other people. The market provides that we may satisfy our needs by satisfying the needs of others. If we wish to advance ourselves, we may get there in the market by upholding the quality of life of the people around us.

>>136003115
>how about no? this is the only way to skew data to support my point

>>135999710
Because open market always leads to monopoly

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Capitalism forces you to learn to live frugal and be smart and work hard.

Socialism is promoting degeneracy, laziness, entitlement and uncontrolled spending cos you know, the next freegibmedats check will always come.

>>136002875

>everything is capitalism
>making ideas unfalisifiable is a good thing :^)

>i hate knowlage for the poor
>i didn't need it and turned out fine

>>136003179
Chronic underemployment is ALREADY a problem. What kind of impact do you think flooding the laborforce with disabled people and seniors bring?

>>136002815
>In capitalism the free market decides you gets money
I wasn't aware that the boss was a free market in and of himself.

>>136003196
>The overarching goal of society is wealth
Would you kill yourself for a ridiculous amount of money? Say - 100 billion dollars?
(serious question)

>>136002914
no its not
>moral claim is, good/bad
this is a factual claim, some people love being wageslaves

working for oneself is the only true individualist approach

>>135999710
>this thread again

Please sell me on socialism

>>136003172
Well, people don't accept national socialism anymore, so, yeah for now it is.

it offers unbridled progress and innovation due to competition. but at the cost of cultural unity and progress.

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>>136003072
>You eliminate entitlement programs and you're left with a bunch of starving, homeless people
source?

>>136003172
It is

>>135999710
Yes and yes.
They somehow think under communism they'll all be living in luxurious million-dollar apartments in the city doing charity work for Niggerstan and writing for Dyke Magazine. The concept that they'll be even poorer, starving, cold, and forced at gunpoint into the fields to harvest barley that will be appropriated by a local administrator and sold for a profit, never occurs to them. Ask any libshit commie what job, exactly, they think they'd have under a communist regime. Every single one of them will respond that they'll be serving with the inner party. No compulsory factory work for them, oh no. That's for someone else to do.

And thus they reveal why socialism/communism always fails: Money is a motivator to make people do jobs they don't want to do.
Socialism and communism removes that motivator entirely, ensuring society and government WILL fail. Every single time.

>>136003329
A highly positive one! This used to be called a "peace dividend" and was a greatly celebrated result of the military drawdowns that would happen on long peaceful borders. People knew that having new labor entering the market made it a great time for new investments that would benefit from such labor.

>>136003086

>capitalism is defined by private ownership
>some thins are not privately owned
>???
>mixed market

>>135999710

Obviously loaded question. Is OP dumb or simply uneducated?

>>136002815
Ever heard of the terms credit and interest?

>>136002815
Never played Monopoly? In capitalism the free market DOES decide who gets the money, and in 98% of cases it picks whoever already has a substantial amount of money.

>>136002888
Yeah great plan. Eliminate government support for people that the almighty market deems unworthy of living with basic dignity. Surely everyone will be happy, because anyone who isn't happy probably isn't a real person.

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>>136003169
>>136002815
>>136002266

>buy almost any consumer object in Western Capitalist country
>it's made by some 5 year old in a sweatshop in the far east being paid 0.50 cents an hour
>DUDE NO MASS HUMAN SUFFERING BECAUSE WE JUST MOVED IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT LMAO

So when most of you say that Capitalism 'works' you're basically just using it as a byword for 'the West'. It absolutely does not work on a global level.

>>135999710
Because on the surface, corperatism is easily mistaken for capitalism

>>136003400
claiming something is slavery is literally a moral claim
so where are you deriving your morals from

>>136003303
>implying the poor use libraries
>for anything other than to get warm when it's freezing outside
It's like you've never even been inside of one.

>everything is capitalism
everything capitalist is capitalism. I guess commies can't do basic logic.

>>136003460
Which systems have you compared it to?

>>135999710
The problem is that the indiviudal does not want to blame themselves for their own lack of skill or personal nerosies that stop them from utilising their own skills.

>>136003547
Paying someone pennies to the dollar is fine when it makes them middle class in their home country

>>136003169
I guess you're not Haitian, Chilean, Indonesian, Guatemalan, or Salvadoran then.

>>136003129
>confirming OP's premise that you're uneducated

How does it feel to be a parody of yourself?

>>136003514
Yes and under capitalism YOU TOO have a chance to make money, so that your kids might do better

>>136003329
The reason for chronic underemployment is mostly down to state regulation and selective taxation. Remove those and even the old and retarded could do something useful if they are so inclined. Also, there used to be such a thing as a familiy that can support temporarily inconvenienced people and if shit really hits the fan, private charity used to be an option as well.
With public welfare however, everyone gets gibs, even those who would be entirely healthy but are too lazy to work.

>>136003250
what is skewed? you are FORCED to pay tax your entire life
people TAKE from the system, this costs money
the only group that will give more than they take, on average, is males

women can vote for more money without anything more asked of them. please, explain how I have skewed this obvious fact?

Any -ism is a little bit fucked. You get locked into a paradigm and just keep going that way because that's just the way it is.

That's not a great long term plan for humanity, in any direction.

>>136003547
Those peasants would be starving to death in a field without that .50

>>136003444
Unionization, benefits, and other challenges to capitalism were widespread when poverty was falling.

>>136003564

no its not, slavery has a definition, i think your thinking too much about emotions rather then logic
-a condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.
'proper' is subjective (egoist) but that does not mean its moral or amoral
value statements aren't necesarry moral statements, while moral statments are value statments

>>136003637
All the others

>>136003713
>The reason for chronic underemployment is mostly down to state regulation and selective taxation.
and a surplus of imported, unnecessary, useless, shitskin labor.

The 50%-60% youth unemployment in France and the United States is directly caused by migrants

>>136003129
>some things are shit tier in capitalism
>this is why socialism is superior even though its failed everywhere its implemented
>b-but socialism has never been tried

Did i miss anything?

>>136003580

>meaningless generalization based on (i assume) anecdotal evidence

>everything x is x
wew

>>136003683
Shut the fuck up you illiterate burger.

We lined up commies and shot them, like God intended.

If you don't enjoy the sight of commie blood then fuck off.

>>136003518
Gibs never picked anyone out of the gutter. Instead, they have chained an underclass into society and put a ceiling over them, teaching entire generations to live at the expense of others. Not surprisingly, they're entirely miserable, every one of them.
These people that YOU have deemed unfit for society are NOT unfit for society, but YOU would keep them chained. I would have them discover their true value and commence the road of self-improvement that is initiated by those who have begun to trade their own skills in the profitable service of others.

>>136003811
>>136003666
>the point
>
>
>your head

>>135999710
They're lazy sheep.

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>>136003824
unions in the US never took off (except cancer public ones pic related)
nor are they 'challenges" to capitalism

>>136003683
>but penochet was a capitalist!
No, I don't have bean genes.

>>136003547
>buy almost any consumer object in Western Capitalist country
>it's made by some 5 year old in a sweatshop in the far east being paid 0.50 cents an hour

Wow, so it's exactly how the United States was when it first began industrializing and had to compete directly with European countries that have existed for centuries? I'm shocked!

Of course, America alone now has an economy equal to a dozen European countries, combined. But I guess we'll just overlook that for narrative purposes.

>>136003893
I'm pretty sure someone in 1960s Hungary was much better off than someone in 1960s Haiti.

>>135999710
>What is third position?

>>136003483
Even ignoring the leaps of logic in this "peace dividend" and the numerous examples of it simply not being true, let's think through your comparison:
When a war is over, there is lots of things to be done, and the labor force is flooded with quality manpower - young, fighting-age men. End entitlement problems, and you're left with a bunch of undereducated, untrained, weak populations that are constrained from working either by physical concerns (wheelchair-bound 80 year olds with mild dementia don't make for good employees), or by societal/environmental factors (single-parents, by their nature, cannot give away as much of their lives* as other people could, leaving them both undesirable to employers and at a disadvantage in society).

* it's also worth pondering whether we really want to continue living in a society where every person is obliged to give everything he's got to his boss.

>>136003912
t. serial killer in training

>>135999710
The slogan X isn't working was created by none other than MARGARET THATCHER. Leftists hypocritical and BTFO.

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>>136003825
>slavery has a definition
it sure does, sparky
WITHOUT REMUNERATION
to claim a relationship that HAS remuneration, as slavery, is a moral claim
so where are you deriving your morals from?

>>136003945
>capitalism raises serfs out of starvation level poverty
>its bad because they don't make 15$/hr to flip burgers in Seattle
Yea, we shouldngo back to sustenance farming

>>136004098
>t.pussy in traning

>>135999710
>I'm a kike and love jewry
Nice nice nice.

>>136004098
If they didn't shoot the commies, the commies would have shot them. See: Russia, Spain, Wiemar Germany.

Because there hasnt been a world war in 50 years, so we are dealing with 2 generations now, that dont know what scarcity is.

They only go to school, eat, and watch TV.

>>136003908
I remember when commies were actually commies. When they could actually elucidate what they saw as wrong with prosperity. When they could deny communist genocides, then say they were good in the long run by preventing more deaths, then ultimately blame them on the United States in a complete reversal of their earlier positions.

But this new breed of commie is weak and pathetic. It seems all you can do is make bad attempts at pseudo-logic, and leave hanging non-arguments.

>>136003712
A ridiculously slim chance, which, historically speaking, only gets slimmer the less regulation is imposed on the economy.
If making money is so easy, then who, exactly, is prevented you from becoming a billionaire under the current system?

>>135999710

Capitalism = free people cooperating freely.

Sure governent ppl ( marxists, politicians, lazy parasites and criminals/psychpatths) dont like that, cuz they want to steal and live parasitically

>>136003129
For the benefit of the left-wing lurkers who don't know you're baiting, I'll reply.

It's not a perfect system by any means. But, it's the only one that directly rewards effort, semi-consistently. People's pride is the main reason there is so much anti-capitalistic rhetoric.

If you aren't a success in this system, you are a failure. If you are a failure you have two options: acknowledge it and try again, or refuse to acknowledge it and find another reason why you aren't a success.

It's a lot easier to complain about the rules than to play by them. Thus, people insist that the system needs replacing, tweaking or is just plain broken, after all, they're not failures. Not them.

>>136004046
Well Hungary isn't an island full of nigs either. You can't compare apples to niggers my dude

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>>136004148

>'proper' remuneration
not without, learn2logic

>ice cream is great is a value statement
not a moral one
therfor all value statments don't need to be moral statments
learn2logic

>>136003666
Absolutely!
Although something I wish people understood more is that over time such exchanges tend to obliterate differences in pricing, and would do so even more efficaciously under a better currency system. Among the things that fiat currency enables is more efficient exploitation of present poverty.

>>136003925
Before modern liberalism, people literally burned to death in unregulated factories or broke their backs daily for starvation wages.
>These people that YOU have deemed unfit for society are NOT unfit for society, but YOU would keep them chained. I would have them discover their true value and commence the road of self-improvement that is initiated by those who have begun to trade their own skills in the profitable service of others.
How is social security or being in a union deeming someone unfit for society?

>>136003713
>there used to be such a thing as a familiy that can support temporarily inconvenienced people and if shit really hits the fan
You say that, not realizing a major factor that broke down the family and atomized society was.... capitalism.

>>136004046
>implying someone in present day Hungary isn't better off than 1960s Hungary

Ok then

>>136003777
No, you retard, no.
Re-read >>136002949 you tard.

>>136003963
Private sector unions used to be huge.

>>135999710
low iq

>>136001872
no jews like big government (because they can get moniez through their friends), 70% of jews vote democrat

>>136004244
Don't worry. Europe will collapse in our lifetime due to the influx of Islamic niggers draining the social safety net to the point of insolvency, as there won't be enough white tax slaves left to support it. The economic shockwave will then go global and mass-killing will begin.

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>>136004021
wow, it's almost like all the terrible things that were associated with 1800s capitalism like mass poverty, child labor, zero rights etc were simply shifted to somewhere else on Earth and Capitalism isn't actually improving human quality of life on the whole.

>>136004153
>>136003893
>>136003666

>attack socialism for poverty and human suffering
>defend a global capitalist system which relies on people in the West having cheap goods and decent quality of life by putting the bottom 50% of the worlds population into a blood oiled economic machine that might as well just be slavery

>>136002248
This.

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>>135999710
FTFY

>>136004261
Thanks schlomo. I'm definatly gonna Back the system that murderd my family now!
I love Jewish Bolshevism!

>>136004246

nice to see that the fascists took over all those strategies :^)
i didn't know if you wanted me to respond truthfully at your anecdotal argument, or if it was simply bait
pretty shitty logic, im honeslty interested in what you would call pseudo logic, or if its another idea you made up because you had to classify what i was doing in some way.

but atleast i can understand your argument against libraries, i mean coming from an american, im not suprised

>>135999710
Because there's only three (not including memes) systems that have been tried with any degree of success. Of those three only two are allowed to be used, (((capitalism))) and (((communism))).
We started with capitalism and the branched over into (((capitalism))) with the ultimate goal being (((communism))). Even though (((capitalism))) is heavily monopolized, and heavily stacked against the goys, it still means that goys have the opportunity, albeit a slim one, of actually being at least level with (((them))). See the likes of Bill Gates, it's just fortunate for them he's a shabbos goy. That's why even (((capitalism))) won't be allowed to last. (((They))) put their plan into action when it's ready, if it isn't and you push them to show their hand, then you end up with the debacle we've been going through for the last 12 months.
See, national socialism is off the table (because apparently some Jews died or something that's generally the best answer they ever give) and that only leaves you with (((capitalism))) and (((communism))). Capitalism is off the table too purely because of (((who))) owns the vast majority of gold. The Jews were actually complaining that people were investing in gold instead of American dollars (which they can print endlessly at will and have literally no value except for supply and demand, which you can tell differs greatly from gold).
Now they've started to push the appeal of (((communism))) by saying (((capitalism))) isn't working hence the need for (((change))). To them, either system is acceptable because they run both of them anyway. It's just preferable to have (((communism))), for the reasons I've already mentioned, but also because, well, you've seen how the (((USSR))) was. See all those free thinking dissenters? Me neither.

>>136004091
You give your boss everything he's got?
Remarkable work ethic.
I myself tend to adjust my work life according to the demands of my desired quality of life.
Capitalism permits that freedom.
Shame about all those other social systems.

>>136004404
I understand context better than you
you have made other posts in this thread about how we need govt regulation blah blah blah
how the fuck is that going to take away the power of women to just vote for more money?

>>136004603
everything you've got, pfah. What's the point of a good quip if I'm just going to blow the delivery...

>>136003507
Have you ever been forced to take credit?

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Lets show some proud communists.

>>135999710

I only reject it when the currency has absolutely no backing besides unicorn farts and military action.

>>136004446
wow, it's almost like capitalism has lifted the quality of life worldwide generation after generation with predictable rhythm and only an economic and historical illiterate from a middle-class white suburb in a major Western city (created through capitalism) would try and insinuate rural Asian and African countries were better off as pre-industrial poverty stricken hellholes

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>capitalism is the greatest goys!
>pol every time

remember the gas bill

>>136004380
>atomized society
like into taxpayers

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>>136004672

>>136001872
One system for them another for the rest of us

>>136004380
No it was the (((liberals))) and (((marxisist))) that did that in the 60s

>>136004541
I'm telling you to revolt against the system, at the very least reform it.
I actually agree the "free market" is probably the best way to make us humans live productively, but only under strict rules that prevent blatant kikery. Cancers such as the bloated finance "industry" should be chemoed away ASAP.

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>>136004723

>>136003887
The migrants aren't being imported for work but for debt.

>>135999710
Because people are sick and tired of being unemployed. Not everyone want to be neet.

>>135999710
capitalism has the best babes

socialism though... only orangutang titties and smelly coochies :(

>>136004446
>100% slavery is better than 50% slavery

Do you have any practical rationale as to why socialism > capitalism through any economic viewpoint?

With how much the middle class gets fucked over in capitalism it still looks better than socialism

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>>136002098
/thread
capitalism is fine in a society without parasites

>>136004153
Strawman much?
>>136004209
>a democratic government was turning into a dictatorship
Funny. The most notable example of this happening independently was Nazi Germany, not a democratic liberal or socialist country.

>>135999710
because it has been jewed up beyond belief.

>>136004513
Kek'd

>>136004446
No I'm saying that communism leads to poverty AND pogroms

>>136004380
> up to 1918
Strong families, no welfare and undisturbed capitalism
> post 1918
Declining family cohesion, ever increasing amount of welfare
Makes you think doesn't it.

>>136004768
>without parasites

where did jew get that from?
see who is the biggest parasite in capitalism?

>>136004556
more non-arguments. at best that amounts to schoolyard accusations of "I'm rubber, you're glue."

But it's fine. I expect nothing more from commies, who have been so convincingly BTFO by history that it's astonishing any of them can even exist any more.

>>136004892
wtf are u trying to say?

>>136004603
>Capitalism permits that freedom.
Well, I personally ain't feeling that feeling.
When working at a McJob I kept feeling like simply being employed was some sort of 'favor' the manager was giving me out of the goodness of his heart.
If I ever came up to him and asked to have my workweek reduced to 35 hours he'd probably fired me right then and there.

>>136004625
I was talking about the graph.
Only about the graph.

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>>136004803
Nazi Germany happened because communists tried to overthrow the government and killed a ton of Germans, thus proving Hitler's charges to be true. I guess you memory-holed that part.

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>>135999710
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

>>136004708
Not denying it. It, too, was a major factor.
So was the Sexual Revolution.

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>>136004740
This
>get a job you lazy fuck
>tries to get a job
>everyone rejects you
>someone dumber gets the job over you
>IT'S YOU THAT'S THE PROBLEM FAGGOT TRY HARDER WHILE I LIVE IT UP IN THIS NICE HOUSE STAY POOR LOSER
Pretty fucking annoying....

>>136004931
the jew is the capitalism, he is the bank, the international market, the gas bill, the media... so good fucking luck taking him out of the equation

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>>136005013
that was what i was saying...

>>136003275
>Socialism is promoting degeneracy, laziness, entitlement and uncontroll

How anyone can be this dumb?? Your precious capitalist society is the one that is promoting race mixing, degeneracy and the destruction of the strenght and stoicism of the white race by confort, money and ((freedom))

Memes and hunger aside, there's nothing more socialist or communist than get paid because of your hard work. Capitalism is actually the lazy system that allows scum to live in degeneracy.

>>136005002
He crossed 90 miles of shark infested, hurricane ridden ocean at night on a raft he made of water bottles to get free gibs.

>>135999710
Capitalism works when the system isn't rigged for the top 1%. When 10% of a population control the majority of wealth, the unequal distribution presents itself in ugly ways.

>>135999710
What do these people believe they have to contribute to a world where they are responsible for working themselves?

>>136004323
Literally confirming my post.
>>136004351
>le nigger meme
epik XDDD!!!
>>136004387
Someone in 1950s Russia was most likely a lot better off than they were in the 1910s. Is that an excuse for Stalinism?
>>136004949
>*revisionism intensifies*
There's so much bullshit in this cancerous image I don't know where to start.

>>136004683
Yeah now they're just poverty stricken industrial hell holes rather than economic ones.

Face it, Capitalism essentially requires a massive almost slave like underclass to function. The true advancement of capitalism in the last few hundred years has just been to reduce the underclass in Western countries and replace it with entire foreign countries basically being used as an underclass instead

>>135999710
Fucking biofuel, if they aren't good for the society, we should just burn them.

>>136004573
Kek'd, thanks for the reply

>>136004894

>expects to get arguments while spouting such classics as 'i witnessed poor people sleep in libraries therfor it a fact" (atleast im giving you the benifit of the doubts that its simply anecdotal evidence and not something you pulled from your ass)

>i support a shitty ideology that has been BTFO by history , but atleast im not one of those commies that has been BTFO by history

great argument to use against someone who isn't a supporter of dead ideologies, i don't even have to argue if your going to do all the work for me

>>136005135
*rather than just agricultural ones

>>136004850

>there is no brutality, mass killing, political repression or authoritarianism in capitalist countries

u serious?

>>135999710
They reject corporatism whilst confusing it for capitalism. If more people knew the difference I don't think we have as many pro socialist groups at universities.

>>136004980
I studied many years to get a useless Master degree in civil engineering. I have applied for hundreds of jobs, now I have given up and applied for web development jobs instead. There at least they give me a chance.

I have great grades as well, it's just so many unemployed engineers. Fucking hell they lied when they said STEM degrees was good, I wasted a lot of years on a useless degree.

>>136005419
pretend youre a nigger and youll get enough jobs to have one for each day of the week

>>136005378
this

>>136005256
Still waiting for a defense of your shitty dead ideology. Oh wait, you still don't have one. You just put words in my mouth. Good for you, you're a typical modern communist.

>>136005122
>Someone in 1950s Russia was most likely a lot better off than they were in the 1910s. Is that an excuse for Stalinism?

Is stalinism is socialist? Last time i checked his russia ran on the gulag

Serfdom isn't capitalism either so idk why you would even mention czarist russia

>>136005358
Name one capitalist country where mass killings occur.
> Inb4 argentina
Violent commie militias deserve everything coming their way, especially lead.

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>>136005419
They don't even hire you for easy jobs like fast food and shit.But rest assured a fucking woman or a nigger or spic will get hired considering that it's all I fucking see, barely see any white males working anymore.

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>>136003547
Literally all these sweatshops are in countries that are overregulated as hell. Chances are if the country has "socialist" or "peoples republic" or some shit, it's actually just the bitch of the capitalist nations.

>>136005378
Underrated post.

Im still looking to sold on socialism. I don't necessarily agree with your statement but i do agree in principle that if students understood what they were attacking there would be more call to action.

>>136005525

>You just put words in my mouth.
>you're a typical modern communist.
the irony is endless


I love the way you BTFO yourself, keep going

>>136004660
Ever heard of states going into debt and paying the interest with taxes? Use your brain before you post something.

>>136005750
Still not a defense of your shitty dead ideology.

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>>135999710
Because it doesn't work.

>>136001786
It's always kikes.

>>136005378
ah the old, "real capitalism hasn't been tried!" argument

sounds familiar.

>>136005647
>They don't even hire you for easy jobs like fast food and shit.

Yeah... That is the worst thing about being educated, you can't even get a shit job meanwhile because they expect you to leave soon.

>But rest assured a fucking woman or a nigger or spic will get hired

It's always a woman it seems. Whenever they mention a name that has gotten the job it's a woman.

>>136005676
do you by any chance now what type of snake this is? Looks so adorable :3

>>136004738
>The migrants aren't being imported for work but for debt.
I feel like this bad meme is far too simplistic and getting repeated far too often, so let me clear it up: Migrants aren't walking into a local bank branch after being imported by NGOs and then asking for loans. They're not opening up accounts. There is no usury happening. The government raises your taxes, gives it to the migrants, and then the migrants compete directly against children for low-wage entry-level jobs. The "growth" generated by mass-importation of shitskins is just an accounting trick. The government steals from you, gives to them, and then the orcs blow it on frivolous things which makes GDP, at least on paper, look like it's climbing due to increased domestic spending.

Who is actually going into debt? YOU. Because aside from the obvious cost-of-everything climbing, now YOU, Mr. Law-Abiding Tax Slave, have to take out loans for fucking everything as your tax rate is now too high. The government is forcing you to pay for the shitskins they imported. As a consequence, loans have replaced savings as a concept in the Western world. And this is precisely what they wanted to happen.

In communist shithole countries, authoritarian governments simply seize your wealth at gunpoint and then give it to themselves. What we're experiencing is the same thing, a massive and evil transfer of wealth from you to the ruling banker class. But they're doing it by creating an excuse to raise your taxes, and then forcing you into debt just to live. This is exactly why every single banking cartel is in favor of more migrants. /pol/ has this idea that Ubungu is walking into a Deutsche Bank and taking out a microloan or some shit. That never happens. A migrant is worth nothing. But a migrant's existence in proximity causes you to expend your REAL wealth.

It's like a feudal lord stealing your last two pennies to fight a foreign horde, only the lord keeps your pennies and lets the horde overwhelm you.

>>136005775
Yeah that happens when you live in a socialist shithole full of subhumans who think they deserve gibs just for breathing. That money has to come from somewhere and since everyone and his family is on hartz 4, somebody has to lend mama angela money. You think that wouldn't happen if you moved to socialist utopiastan?

>>136005856

Which one?
i hope you learned something today ;^)

>>136005378
It's unfortunate that all capitalistic systems inevitably gravitate towards "coporatism", then.

>>135999710
because they are Marxist losers who can't compete in a free market system.
here's the thing on marxist: they're lazy, they have no useful skills, they want the fruit and labor of the 1%, but they refuse to contribute anything themselves.

>>136006097
You tell me, you commie fuck.

>>136006107
>they want the fruit and labor of the 1%,
I was not aware cashing in on stock market fluctuations and real estate speculation were fruitful labor.

>>136002875

>Government was made by capitalism

Here's your (You), you earned it you fucking retard.

(((Capitalism))) only benefits the kikes.

>>136006217
>Government wasn't made by capitalism
-communists
>We need to get money out of politics
-also communists

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>>136006034
>socialist shithole
>USA
pick one and use your brain

>You think that wouldn't happen if you moved to socialist utopiastan?
Just because someone is against capitalism it doesn't mean that he is pro socialism, again, use your brain

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>>136006199

it't not communism i can tell you that
but even if it was, its not like your hypocritical arguments hold any water. Atleast im glad you showed your true face. Maybe you and the commies can try to fight capitalism together, i would join too if i didn't suspect you where only doing it to gain power yourself

>>136005559
>Indonesia
>Chile
>Uganda
>Guatemala
>Nigeria

>inb4 when it happens in a Capitalist country it has nothing to do with Capitalism

>>136006004
>and then the migrants compete directly against children for low-wage entry-level jobs.
While eveything you say is true, the scenario only describes the situation in the united states because mexicans actually work. Africans don't work, ever. When they get their refugee status, they indeed get loans from banks, which is a convenient way for them to get rid of the money the ECB is printing to pay off state debt. The africans waste the money, but don't worry, the state guarantees those loans, so in the end it's indeed the taxpayer who's on the hook.
The point is, the africans are needed to keep the money circulating. No amount of socialist social engineering can respawn the money they waste, but they can make the waste socially acceptable for the voters.

>>136006446
>it't not communism
>it't actually a hyperspecific form of totally-not-communism-this-time-comrades, so it'll actually work

>>136006383
>let me tell you about your country
The US debt doubled because of neocon wars for Israel and socialist welfare spending, this is not even a debatable topic. The 2008 Housing Bubble collapse was directly caused by socialism. Laws were passed making housing loans to low-income earners compulsory to banks, who were all too happy to comply as the loans were FDIC-insured. All the debt from that collapse was thus shifted onto US taxpayers and then the loan system was never fixed, ensuring another collapse will happen in the future. Tyrone has no business getting a six-figure house on McWages. And then Obama threw ACA onto the pile just for good measure.

That's how two centuries of US debt magically doubled in 16 years.

At a fundamental level, people who reject capitalism do so because their is a disconnect between their view of themselves (self-worth) and what everyone else actually thinks they are worth (market worth).

Capitalism, free-enterprise, free markets, free exchange, etc. is fundamentally a meritocracy which rewards people who are creative, smart, or hard-working enough to satisfy the wants of others. But to someone who has a fairly inflated opinion of themselves, but provides no actual good or service that anyone else wants (think Bernie Bro) this can create a crippling cognitive dissonance. The utterly reject the idea that capitalism allocates wealth by merit, and view the entire system as corrupt instead.

The appeal of socialist ideologies for these people is obvious; after all, they know how to fix things (because they're obviously so smart) and all they need is a little bit of power (or a lot) and they can take for themselves the wealth that the market failed to provide them in voluntary exchange.

Capitalism is rejected by the 110-120 IQ crowd; people who think they're too smart to have to work hard, but not actually smart enough to make it without effort.

>>136006383
> i think capitalism is bad cuz social programs cost money
So you're saying you're mentally retarded.

>>135999710
worse, trustafarians.

>both my parents are successful. Fuck you mom! Fuck you dad! you're fuckin outa here!


https://youtu.be/xva9cmuI3No

>>136006808

>Laws were passed for compulsory loans to people that didn't actually qualify

I'm gonna need a citation there, bud, because that sounds like horse shit

>>136006980
Good post leafbro

>>136007002
this is not about socialism idiot, it's about capitalism as a method to transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest. again use your brain

>>135999710

Perhaps the ideal is a mixed-market form of economics, with a focus on allowing business that benefits the state:

> Services that are prone to monopolised are state run: E.g. Rail Services
> National health services do have their place, but Private should be allowed for those who can afford them
> Certain actions, such as open borders are banned. Open borders drives down labour costs and safety regulations, which is very much in line with Capitalism. This is not good news, however, for the working classes....not to mention the negative social and cultural effects that go unconsidered in a Capitalist model.

> Areas where free markets can benefit the state should be allowed to flourish. Whilst some of the above ideas do allude to agreement with certain ideas that a socialist can agree with, people still have to be incentivised with competition for wealth, power, etc...

tl;dr Captialism has good points, but I agree with a more mixed-model of economics.

>>136006980
>Capitalism, free-enterprise, free markets, free exchange, etc. is fundamentally a meritocracy which rewards people who are creative, smart, or hard-working enough to satisfy the wants of others
Capitalism is fundamentally the opposite of a meritocracy, as it rewards those with the better starting parameters, be is capital, early-life education, access to networking opportunities or just plain luck. 'Raw' capitalism ensures every person's potential rests above all else on their parents' status.
Trying to play psychologist with an entire ideological movement (or, more properly, anti-movement) is just stupid.

>>136006702

>>>136005750

good luck with your dead ideology

>>136007303
Please expand on how capitalism, especially the voluntary exchange of goods, can be used to do what you vlaim it does. Because taking on state to finance gibs for various kinds if niggers sure as shit isn't part of capitalism

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>>135999710
Communism = selfishness disguised as moral superiority and stupidity disguised as intellect.

>>136007440
Oh I think I'll do just fine. The communists like you are losing everywhere we look.

>>135999710
Remove usery (that is, any charging money for the use of money and trading of debt) actively break up monopolies, and allow people to fail even if it kills them and a free market works fine.

>>136007668

im sure it will work this time ;^)

>>136007719
If you break up monopolies then nobody will want to work.
Also why are you all so hung up on interest rates.

>>136006702
>capitalism causes massive global financial crisis that almost collapses the West
>'wasn't real Capitalism'

>isn't working
For you

>>136002223
t. 90 IQ NEET faggot

>>136007855
Been working well so far :^)

>>136007963
>he doesn't know what a market correction is

>>135999710
>capitalism isn't working
>they say while wearing designer clothes, dying their hair, using smarthphones and computers, never having known hunger or thirst or oppression

Ah. Okay.

>>136008179

last time wasn't real tho, right? This time its diffrent

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>>135999710
>longer life expectancy than ever in human history
>higher quality of life than ever before
yeah no way this is working or good for us kek

>>136006808
>The US debt doubled because of neocon wars for Israel and socialist welfare spending, this is not even a debatable topic
Translation: "It's only capitalism until it stops being beneficial, then it's socialism I swear"

>The 2008 Housing Bubble collapse was directly caused by socialism
LMAO why don't you put in the Great Depression as an example while you're at it? Also when you put that example, do provide the answer to how the government got out of it (protip: socialist state spending under the form of the state-owned military industrial complex becoming the largest on the planet and employing millions of workers and fighters on state, not free market, wages, while everyone else being taxed for 90% of their income so the state can hand out those wages)

Let me additionally remind you that the same happened to Weimar Germany and they didn't get out with the help of the capitalist free market, they got out by authoritarian socialism

I think the real answer is that it just depends. Someone can be smart and knowledgeable on the effects of communism economically and socially but will still prefer communism for ideological reasons, but this is not the case for most people.

But for most people (excluding children here) who believe in communism, they are uneducated and dumb combined with a deep-rooted belief that rich people don't deserve being rich.

>>135999710
Their sign should say we aren't working.. capitalism works fine..

>>136008246
Which time is that, specifically?

>>136008261
> socialism causes economic desasters that can only be cured by socialism
Makes (((you))) think

>>136008472
>> socialism causes economic desasters that can only be cured by socialism
Oh so the Great Depression was caused by socialism? Really did made me think

>>136008211
>entire system would have collapsed if governments hadn't spent trillions on bailouts
>'it's just a correction brah'

>>136001872
Wrong. Jews love corporatism. They love establishing regulations to destroy competition.

>>136007153
Some light reading for your Thursday:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_legislation#Decline_and_repeal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/20/hillary-clintons-ties-to-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-lo/

Or a rough summary: http://www.answers.com/Q/Clinton%27s_mortgage_deregulation_bill

Deregulation + Loan quotas + FDIC insured = loading the revolver with one bullet and pulling the trigger until the inevitable.
In the Democrats' attempt to help the blacks, they nuked the economy.

>>135999710
Because the USSR isn't around anymore to give them a peak at "communism"

>>136008523
>he has a crystal ball that can predict the outcome of alternate timelines

>>136002223
Working at McDonald's isn't prestigious, but before immigration and social services, it paid pretty well.

>>136008510
The great depression was caused by the abolition of the gold standard in the 1970s. It sent ripples back through the timeline that caused the great depression. And as we all know if it's not gold standard it's communism.

>>136008261
Your opening line is so flawed that there's no point debating you. You know absolutely nothing about what caused the 2008 collapse, or who started it.

>>136008261
>they got out by authoritarian socialism
They got out by ethnonationalism. Venezuela had authoritarian socialism. Did it work?

>>135999710
Why did they use a picture of a socialist bread line?

>>136008770
>They got out by ethnonationalism. Venezuela had authoritarian socialism. Did it work?
Somalia has free market capitalism. Does it work? Capitalism worldwide btfo

>>136008397

germany, italy, japan and spain

i mean even when being generous, spain lasted like 40 years, while even communism manged 70 years

both are shit, but judging by the numbers, both are zombies that should stay dead
what worries me is that your arguments work against both, but your brain somehow chooses a favorit regardless

>>136008256
>People only lived until they were 30 until 1950 when capitalism was rolled out
>Everyone lived in caves until 1950 when capitalism was rolled out
>t. Jew

Capitalism is already dead, it's all about creditism now.

>>136008888
Basically this. The Jews own everything now. Capital doesn't get exchanged anymore. When's the last time you saw an original product or idea? There's no profit in that for Mr. Goldstein. He doesn't care about bettering the future.

>>136004261
Permits, capital (easy to get by loan or otherwise), regulation, and other limitations prove that the current system isn't economically libertarian.

>>136008835
Because only one of those things you posted was fascism. Only two were even close to fascism, actually, rather than the propaganda memes you are indoctrinated to perceive as fascism.

But you know what, I would have made an argument, except for the fact that you have consistently shown you are incapable of making one yourself. Rather, you say as little as you can, and just be snarky. It's not worth my effort to feed you.

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>>136008661
I'm just pointing out that Capitalism is a failing system of constant crises. Every time it starts to sag they just figure out a way of extending it a bit by kicking the can further down the road.

It started in the 50s with the availability of cheap oil allowing the low cost mass transportation of goods across the planet and making globalisation possible (based on a finite resource).
In the 70s and 80s they avoided crisis further by mass roll out of credit cards, which is essentially just encouraging everyone to spend huge amounts of money they don't actually have. None of this is sustainable.

The only difference between socialism and capitalism is that when socialism fails it is declared dead. When capitalism fails (such as with gigantic economic crises) huge amounts of money is printed out of thin air to prop the whole system up for a bit longer.

Peace

>>136008510
Market corrections have occurrd before the 1920's too. The reason you bring up the great depression is because (((your))) kind prolonged it with socialist measures.

>>136009348
>Market corrections have occurrd before the 1920's too. The reason you bring up the great depression is because (((your))) kind prolonged it with socialist measures.

This is your brain on memes

>>135999710
Working for the sake of material goods is degenerate, working for your country, traditions and people is virtuous.

>>135999710
They are extremely redpilled.

>>136007423
nice try schlomo but just because you're pozzing up all our universities with this rhetoric doesnt mean it's true

70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation

http://time.com/money/3925308/rich-families-lose-wealth/

>>136009438
Into archive
https://archive.is/gz6SJ

>>136002799
Do you have the source for this study? I want to read it desu

>>135999710
Because it's making whites sterile

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>>135999710
>dumb or simply uneducated?
yes but to a extend its not their fault no one teaches stalin, pol pot, mao the only thing you hear is how your ancestors fucked everything up muh hitler muh slaves muh native genocide.
So they read marx have no context and make literally the same mistake even well educated politicans make and take this crap serious. Thats why i cant blame them they read marx have no clue and fall for it but even educated people fall for it.
Schools hide away the crap communism did which is really really bad cause there is no other ideology on this planet that produced more corpses. 100%capitalsim is idiotic as is 100%socialism /communism you need a bit of a mix you cant just ignore the poorest of the poor and you cant them eleavte to the new "standard" thats why europe before it became so political was pretty close to the best you can get now.. that is all gone and it shifts more and more into one direction until the pendulum goes into the other direction.. its hard to stop it again in a sane middleground... thx again germany..and european commission...

>>136009289
Credit cards were an invention of the 50s. Cheap oil has been around for as long as there has been oil. If you want to drop some anti-American screed at least get your history right.

>>136009391
Ah yes, the classic "blame state intervention disasters on capitalism" debate tactic. Why am I not surprised it's brought up by a meme flag.

>>136005900>>136005647

It's the way you carry yourselves, you fucks. Nobody wants to hire you because you don't have the fire under your ass to want to work. If you wanted the job, you'd have seen that you were overqualified for it and not even mention it. Or, maybe they saw that you were autists. Or maybe you complained to much. With you not getting any jobs, the constant is (YOU)

>>136009178

>its not real fascism

>i wouldn't accept such an argument from a commie, but hey maybe it will work on you :^)

wew

well considering you started the whole 'shitty argument' thing, i suggest 'be the change you want to see in the world'
not like thats something an authoritarian (either left or right) would care about anyways, they would rather want everyone else to fit their beliefs

>>136009876
So literally the 'true capitalism has never been tried' tactic that you accuse socialists of?

>>136009876
>"blame state intervention disasters on capitalism"
Oh yeah I completely agree, capitalism is absolutely flawless and every single crash that happened is socialism's fault!

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>>135999710
I love how on the internet every time when someone mentions communism, middle class college art students are the ones making pro-communist arguments, while the people who lived under it (or whose) parents and grandparents lived under it always shit on it. College students from western european and north american countries are the most ignorant people on planet earth, it's mind-blowing how uninformed they are. not just about communism, but about everything.

Gotta love how retards that never experienced communism glorify it.
Would have loved seeing them living in commie land during the cold war and probably get kidnapped by the secret police and killed in a forest outside the town where they lived.

The absolute and complete failure of Communism during the 20th century should be more than enough for a rational human being to understand what a garbage socioeconomic philosophy especially since these theories have been severely disputed both theoretically and in practice.

>>136010024
Still not an argument. You've got to work harder if you want something from me. I'm not a communist.

>>135999710
>Why do people reject capitalism?

capitalism has a natural tendency to form and promote monopoly which is eliminated through taxation in any sane version of capitalism, what we have is fascist feudalism

>>136010068
I completely agree. Nothing better than being lectured on why communism is great, and then having my families death, starvation and exile waved off as "not real communism".
Look up "Volga Germans" or "volgadeutch" if you'd like to know more. They're even talked about in the Gulag Archapellago

>>136010046
>>136010049
Let me explain the difference: intervening in natural processes and failing at it puts the blame ob you, not the process. It's like if you shit in a clean pool, you don't get to complain about the pool being dirty before you shat in.
On the other hand, if a process directly causes misery and death as is the case with socialism, you do get to complain about the process. To reuse the previous example, it's like shitting in a pool full of shit. Sure, it's dirty now, but it was full of shit to begin with, just like socialists.

>>136009887
I am a hard worker (I have much better grades than most) and I never complain. I am not a snowflake.

>Or, maybe they saw that you were autists.

I am not autistic, I function fine socially. Still... Capitalism waste an educated man like myself with specialized knowledge. But at least I know tons of programming languages and I am able to get a web dev job.

>>136010252

>il just use the same arguments as the commies, this is diffrent because this is true :^)

fascists are so funny, they would throw logic and reason out the way if they just could get their power (no suprsie since they burned books)

im sorry dude but your hypocracy is too much. Arguments are either valid or not, they don't depend on how hard you believe in your 'ism'

>>136010704
Ah the old 'socialism is an economic system whereas free markets are a natural process like the Force from Star Wars' meme

>>136010394
Late stage capitalism

End stage

Like cancer

>>136010796
Still waiting for you to make one. Tu quoque is not an argument.

>>136010932
Free markets are a natural process because you're a very special snowflake just like all the other seven billion, geddit?

>>136010932
> because in socialism black markets don't exist
Try again.

>>136004422

unions are fundamentally capitalist. They act as a labour brokering firm in essence when they don't have the power of the state to manipulate employers against their own self-interests. Labour is a commodity just as much as currency, employers must abide by the supply and demand laws which apply to labour just as much as the employee does.

>>136011042
>Tu quoque
>hypocracy therfor argumentation is false
As if that was the claim

but nice try, you haven't actually presented any arguments, just assertions, like the one with the library. opinions aren't arguments. Hypocracy is a problem in ideologies because the pieces have to fit together, and its also a problem of character. It has nothing to do with the validity of arguments, and i never claimed so.

What are you waiting for? We seem to agree on communism, its just that you won't apply the same reasons to your dead ideology because of your feelings. There isn't much i can do about that. Sorry

>>136010560
My maternal grandfathers side is Volga German as well. However, they came over decades before the revolution unlike your dumbfuck relatives.

>>136001872
Jews love communism you fag

>>136011145
>because there isn't market socialism and capitalism invented markets.

Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, try to keep up sweetie.

>>136010704
Alright I see that you keep going in circles and refuse to argue. Fine, I'll bring up another point then which is a major issue as well

>US market capitalization (S&P 500) - $23.20T
>Out of which, IT sector market capitalization - $7.80T (33.6%)

There are microchip producers included there but the large majority of capitalization comes from FB, Microsoft, Google and so on - producers of what people tend to call "intellectual property". Now that intellectual property isn't really profitable, no, it isn't profitable at all even, but the US discovered a way to make it seriously profitable - by guaranteeing the capital collection from every user of that intellectual property via copyright and anti-piracy laws. If the US ever stops sending their state law enforcement force to enforce those unnatural laws, the entire IT sector collapses. If the entire IT sector collapses, the entire US collapses as it alone constitutes an entire third of its market and the primary good they export and keep dominance of globally.

So here you have a very fine example of the government directly intervening into your "pure free market" because it just can't survive otherwise. Another example I would like to give is the Fed absorbing the mortgages to prevent another depression and issuing all those QEs to keep the velocity high enough. Mind explaining me how is that a free market anymore, and how long do you think would an actual free market survive (along with its people) once the inevitable crash and starvation occurs?

The truth is that there is no free market as you tend to claim, it's an illusion and an utopian thinking, close to that of anarchists who think that they can just live without a state while being surrounded by powerful states - your free market will enter a war someday, then what?

>>136011820
I'm waiting for you to make an argument. When you're worthy of one, maybe I'll make one. Otherwise you're just going to snipe, as you have done in every post so far no matter what I've given you, and I don't feel the need to waste my effort any further.

>>135999710

Protip: If you're poor and not one of (((them))) you shouldn't be defending capitalism.

Marxism is cancer, but capitalism is good goy economic system.

>>136012127
>Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production,
> let me redefine words so I can argue my case
Sure go ahead.

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>>135999710
>That photo

>>136012334
So in capitalism there isn't private ownership of the means of production?

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>>136012259

mine is
>both fascism and communism failed in the past, what makes you think it will be any diffren't now?

all your effeforts so far have been pretty much the same arguments as the commies use. Then i would ask what distinguishes you from them

>>135999710

Unsuccessful proles will blame the establishment in its entirety. The buck stops with "capitalism". The model that has most of our first world countries employed and living in pretty incredible standards from a worldwide perspective.

Pretty obvious why, nobody likes to feel (yet alone admit to being) stupid, incapable, uneducated or lazy.

>>136012333
You have to go back.

>>136010068
they can't comprehend that their workers paradise exists already. It's called prison. It fits nearly all of the lefts policies in one place.

[X] healthcare
[X] food
[X] education
[X] common sense gun control
[X] hella diverse

>>136011945
>your family is dumb because they didn't flee before there was a reason to flee
Ok

>>136008557
They also love abolishing a state to promote globalization, which is inherent to capitalism. They are the original internationalists.

>>136012452
>Le memes of production
Just hopped into this thread to say you're a buzzword faggot.

There are no means of producton in nature. You make those yourself through hard work. Commies want to kill people and take their companies but they'll never start a company themselves. Otherwise they'd be expected to use the Communist model and god forbid they be the ones giving free shit instead of geting free shit.

>>136012825
The means of production is a term for man made thingies and stuff that make other stuff. Like a factory. Not naturally occurring things like iron, wood, etc.

You should understand your enemy at least, instead of blindly attacking something you don't know anything about.

>>135999710
its working for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_QnE9-iK80

>>136012146
> my cherrypicked examples will surely convince you
The housing crash was caused by the state ordering banks to dole out mortgages to poor people who couldn't pay it back.
your other example proves that Government interventions create niches people fill according to free market rules, that doesn't mean that naturally occuring niches don't exist.
There is a place for governemnt but certainly not in the economy.

>>135999710

Resources are limited.

In capitalism you need to invest money to make money.

People with money = people that can invest more.

People that can invest more > people that can get more of those limited resources.

Thus, capitalism is a system that benefits those that already have money and works against those that dont have base capital. Thus creating and widening a wealth gap over time.

>>136012452
No.

>>136012504
Not an argument. This is why I won't go any further.

>>136013496
So I'm capitalism, manufacturing is owned by either the state or every single person who labors in manufacturing?

>>136013429
>> my cherrypicked examples will surely convince you
So I cherrypicked a third of the US economy? LMAO

>dole out mortgages to poor people who couldn't pay it back
The banks gave out those mortgages because they started believing in perpetual profitability and started trusting pretty much everything, which is a massive problem in capitalism and was also the main reason of the Great Depression by the way - people believing in perpetual green balances and dumping cash into stocks that shouldn't otherwise receive capital

>There is a place for governemnt but certainly not in the economy.
Great! Now subtract a third of every single wage in the US because you just carved out a third of their current economy. Netflix, Facebook, Google, gaming industry, online ebooks, commercial software, electronic bank transactions and all the other elements of the IT sector - all gone because there's no state to intervene and enforce the laws of the sector anymore

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>>136012343
fixed their sign

>>136013739
In capitalism people own objects which have value. Now a hammer can be used as a meme of production or as, say, a decorative object. For a smith, the hammer has a different value than for a cosplayer. So if you own a hammer, different people will put different prizetags on that hammer. Wether it's a mean of production is entirely irrelevant.

>>136004709
Wow , this guy gets it. The financial institutions are the most profitable enteties yet the least productive.

>>136014020
The reason it's a third of the economy is because the other sectors have been strangled, killed off and sold to china by socialists and their policies. Again, you create problems and then blame it on the free market. The banks believed what they believed because the governemnt said they would guarantee those loans. If you had any common sense you'd try to make money out of this as well.

>>136014169
This has nothing to do whether markets are a feature solely of capitalism or whether the means of production in capitalism are owned by individuals or the public.

>>136013596

it is tho, what makes your 'ism' special that it isn't bound by history or facts?

>>136002437
>ADL will now confirm Pepe is a nazi symbol

>>136014822
Why does it matter if I own a printer?