CALLING ALL CENTRISTS!!

>>135986273
>Is Geolibertarianism the PERFECT system?
Nope.

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>>135986352
huh when you put it that way...

>>135987225
You asked, I answered.

>>135987450
You hate the free market?

>>135988427
Nothing's free. Especially the free market.

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>>135986273
I've got a better idea.

>>135988609
Cool. Imma just go ahead and harvest the entire atmosphere cuz I guess it belongs to me or something??

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>>135988568
isn't it past your bedtime?

>>135989024
Cool, Imma just buy up all the property that surrounds yours and pump any fresh water that would have gone to your well.

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>>135988971
>harvest the entire atmosphere
wat

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>>135989130

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>>135989174
Brah the air pumps and storage tanks are on MY property fuck off; all the air belongs to me now.
>>135989255
Not An Argument
In an AnCap world, what stops me from leaving your well dry?

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>>135989366
>what stops me from leaving your well dry?
first of all, not having the means to do so

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>>135989494
Do you know how ground water even works?
If I pump up enough ground water it will avoid downstream wells. I could literally leave your well dry without ever stepping foot on, above, or below your property.
Please have a basic understanding of physics before you even attempt to hold a political belief.

>>135989854
ummm no, sweetie you can't drain my well in particular without your neighbours' wells drying up too
Please have a basic understanding of physics before you even attempt to hold a political belief.

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>>135989366
>Brah the air pumps and storage tanks are on MY property fuck off; all the air belongs to me now.
wat

>what stops me from leaving your well dry?
wat

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>>135990065
he didn't account for the sheer size of the tanks he would need either

>>135990016
I wasn't saying yours in particular just that if my pump is stronger than yours and my well is deeper then you will end up with less water. Please don't argue against strawmans.
>>135990065
Not An Argument
>>135990198
Oh so it would be totally ok as long as I have the tanks? Is that what you're saying?

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>>135990198
>I could theoretically spend tens of trillions of dollars for what amounts to a practical joke on one person
>therefore ancapism is unpractical

>>135990270
it's completely OK in my book, you just won't be able to do so
but please do try so I can poison your well without breaking the NAP :^)

>>135990297
Air is just one type of natural resource. What about oil? Fresh water? Land? Sunlight? Can I build a huge spaceship and block the Sun's rays from hitting your property? An AnCap would say yes, I would say No.
>>135990500
Poisoning my well would be pollution which is aggression which is a violation of the NAP.
Is that what the typical AnCap/Libertarian is like? You've opened my eyes; I actually viewed most Libertarians/AnCaps as logical and rational. My bad.

>>135988971
>>135989130
>>135989854
1879? We have already solved these issues long before the revolution. They are already law, long before "1879". http://lonang.com/library/reference/locke-two-treatises-government/loc-205/

It seems very arbitary from the practical standpoint.

It is one thing to nationalize oil (which is often still fraught with inefficiency and corruption), it is another to nationalize every low value plot of agricultural land and the complex mosaic of properties in urban areas.

You would need a bloated complex system to regulate and manage the land and "rent" it out, for example to prevent a small farmer being outbid by a big business and having to pack up and leave only for rents to drop next year due to a lack of other bidders.

>>135990826
>Poisoning my well would be pollution which is aggression which is a violation of the NAP.
hahahahah no, I would poison a small fraction of my water and your tank would get poisoned by proxy since I am the one you are stealing from
no NAP violation here, bud

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>>135990826
>What about oil? Fresh water?
If you own the land that it's on then it's yours (unless you sell it in a contract).

>Sunlight?
You are free to harvest as much solar power as you want.

>Can I build a huge spaceship and block the Sun's rays from hitting your property?
Refer back to >>135990297. Life is not a Spongebob cartoon. You theoretically can, but you literally can't.

>>135990939
Actually, I wouldn't be allowed to pump any water that's already on your property. I thought I made that clear. But the water that ends up in your well comes from somewhere, right? If my well is between your well and the source then I can intercept that flow and keep it from reaching your well. Even in an AnCap society, I wouldn't be allowed to steal water that's already within your borders. Sorry if I didn't articulate that.

>>135991078
and I would still be able to poison your tank by diffusion
Please have a basic understanding of physics before you even attempt to hold a political belief.

>>135991078
>this is your brain on ancap

>>135990828
Locke says that all men have a right to have access to meat and drink and I disagree. Your mouth is not mine to feed.
>>135990916
You're right that we need a system free from corruption and bloat. It's why public auctions would work great. And the leases last 99 years or even 999 years. Honk Kong and Singapore do this just fine.
>>135991003
Ok, So your system doesn't account blocked views etc I could built huge walls around your property and wall you in.
>>135991185
Again, putting poison into the environment is pollution. In an AnCap society you would be allowed to put poison on your property but I wouldn't be pumping in YOUR water. My source would be from up higher. If you poisoned that then you're violating the NAP of whoever owns that land.
Is this beyond you? Honest question.

>>135991261
I'm not an ancap I was just laying out how the scenario would play out in that context.

>>135986273
So you can't own anything?

>>135991424
>In an AnCap society you would be allowed to put poison on your property but I wouldn't be pumping in YOUR water
Do you know how ground water even works?
Please have a basic understanding of physics before you even attempt to hold a political belief.

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>>135991424
>I could built huge walls around your property and wall you in
If you bought all the property around mine, then yes.

>>135991532
You can own rights. So if you bought at auction the right to a plot of land then it would be legally yours for the duration of the contract. You'd be allowed to shoot any trespassers etc.. if that's the right you bought.

>>135991532
And this is just for natural resources like land, water, oil, space, air, etc... Stuff made by humans would not be taxed or controlled.

>>135991577
And if my pump WAS stealing water that was ALREADY on your property then YES I would be stealing and violating your NAP. Why is this so fucking difficult for you to grasp?
There is a difference from taking stuff that's on/in your property vs intercepting stuff that would have arrived at your property!
>>135991583
LMFAO you straight up admit how retarded ancapism is. Thanks.

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>>135991758
>LMFAO you straight up admit how retarded ancapism is
Refer to >>135990297. Do you currently have hundreds of millions of dollars?

>>135991424
>I could built huge walls around your property and wall you in.
I can tell who's never purchased property before. The only way this happens is if someone buys a piece of land that is surrounded on all sides by other land, or if they sell pieces of their land off and leave themselves surrounded.
In either case, they're retarded and probably couldn't afford the land in the first place.

>>135991758
Do you know how ground water even works?
Please have a basic understanding of physics before you even attempt to hold a political belief.

>>135991859
You're right they'd be retarded to even get into that kind of situation to begin with. But remember, roads are private property under ancapism. I could buy the roads, and buy the surrounding properties. All I'd have to do is put up no trespassing signs and walls and then close down the road.
>>135991851
yes, it wouldn't cost that much to intercept natural resources that would have gone to you if I didn't take them first.
>>135991875
If you're downhill from me, I'd just have to avoid pumping water uphill by limiting my well depth or whatever. But since water first passes through my property and then passes through yours I can abuse my higher elevation and harvest all the water before it gets the chance to pass through your property. All you'd be doing is poisoning your own water that I was never going to touch in the first place.
Brah are you retarded or something?

>>135992108
>ima just steal yo watah, what you gon do about it?
you have no tanks of sufficient size
>yeah but let's imagine for a second
you would steal from your neighbours as well
>not important, I am just trying to fuck you over (not a violation of NAP btw xd)
I can poison you
>n-no you can't! I have the high ground!!
still get poisoned
>I have alex jones' water filters
gee anon I guess in your fairy land you can actually steal some water from another guy
now what's stopping him from buying water from his neighbour instead?

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>>135992108
>yes
Your have hundreds of millions of dollars on you? Wow, what are you doing on 4chan?

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>>135991665
>>135991623
It says derived from land aka products made form natural resources.
also if you mean not bottling water then well how many time do you need to reproduce a material until you own it so you can't be taxed upon it?
It only sounds nice like communism does, but this is stupid my men.

>>135992615
I'm going to buy some land and turn into a geoanarchist society. I'm just here to test my ideas to get the kinks worked out before I go live.
>>135992568
>you have no tanks
Nestle does
holy fuck i didn't know ancaps were this retarded.
>>135992620
You're right to ask if my marble countertop is really mine. The process would start when the mining company buys the rights to harvest/use marble from a public auction. Once they harvest the marble it will be theirs to sell and profit from since they already have the rights to it.
Again, we just want people to pay for the natural resources they harvest. If the mining company wants to pass that cost down to the consumer then so be it and they can profit off the marble as much as they want.

>>135993144
>Nestle does
well here's the thing, anon: you aren't Nestle and you sure as hell wouldn't be able to steal all water from one person especially when it affects everyone in the area
is that clear enough for you?

>>135993144
But they already do that no? They pay tax on the land mate. We have this VAT thing in europe, they pay that too. What's the purpose of more bureaucracy for the sake of it?

>ancaps still insisting that its okay for private people to own lakes, rivers and airspace

pls do like a road and crumble into non-existence

>>135993288
>private people already own you and everything that "belongs" to you
>but ancaps are the baddies
love these delusional bootlickers

>>135993269
>steal water
Brah are you retarded? In Ancapistan I'd be allowed to harvest all the water I want that passes through my property.
>>135993281
You're right that we already have Land Taxes and even in Alaska each resident gets a piece of the pie that the oil companies profit from.
Under georgism though, we'd eliminate sales tax, income tax, capital gains tax, even house tax. Current tax system incentivizes home owners to let their houses go to shit to pay less tax.
This video goes into taxes and why each is different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaq2UXW0krA&t=8m45s
>>135993288
>>135993548
Under Georgism: You'd be allowed to buy the rights to a lake if you want if you can afford it from the public auction.

>>135993650
>In Ancapistan I'd be allowed to harvest all the water I want that passes through my property.
>jajaja I steal all woter me so smart
>uh-oh, why doesn't anyone trade with me?
>did I just waste millions on a tank only for others to get water by other means?
hilarious
people like you make ancaps look better than ever since everything you have thrown at me so far can and will be solved by the free market

>>135993960
>no one buys bottled water from Nestle
holy fuck you're a meme

>>135994187
>holy fuck you're a meme
not an argument
>no one buys bottled water from Nestle
>implying you own all the water reserves in the area on top of being the head of a corporation
give it up m8, you are only shooting yourself in the leg with your mental gymnastics