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>>135984682
>Spaniards = Beaners
Classic American education

>>135984682
>spaniards = beaners
Lmao

>>135984888
>>135984948

>Meanwhile in the background fucking Sancho Panza rides a donkey with his sombrero on.

Hispanic is just about language and shared history, it has nothing to do with race.

i.e. There are black Hispanics in Africa, European Hispanics in Europe and different shades of amerindian shit-colored Hispanic mongrels throughout all of America (which are the ones that most people dislike, me included).

>>135988371
What about flips tho?

>>135988536
I wouldn't say they're that Hispanic because I think the language over there is only spoken by a minority, though I could be wrong.

They have one of these horrible bastardized languages between english, spanish and whatever was talked over there before that sounds really disgusting. Look it up for a quick laugh.

"Hispanic" is about language, history and culture to some degree.

>I have a belief in something, but I better check with my buddies at /pol/ to verify I'm allowed to hold this belief.

kys op

>>135988371
>and different shades of amerindian shit-colored Hispanic mongrels throughout all of America

Oh, you mean the ones with whom the Spanish language is associated with? Your days have long been over Spaniards. Couldn't control your barbaric rape urges and now you're dealing with the price.

Que triste. (((or trithte, as how your people say)))

>American education thread

>>135985131
RETARDED

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You guys are seriously nigger tier right now. If you want to now the name of the Amero-Iberic races look at the fucking pic

Pedro Paulet you faggots

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Modern Mexico is inhabited by two Amero-Iberic peoples the Castizo usually the over represented in Media and What not and the Mestizo the and the fucking Mongoloid Indians

in the pic a Castizo

This pic a Mestizo and an a Mexican Indian

The only difference betwwen a Mestizo and a Castizo is that the Castizo is the Daughter race.

>>135984682
Goddamn idiot

So if you see picture of that brown bitch flipping off who ever it is painfully obvious that she is a fucking indian.

>>135984888
>>135984948
>>135993323
Spanish are, however, part black and Muslim (moors etc.) so...

>>135993766
No, There are Castillians (The true Spanish) Catalans, Astruians, Basque, and The Half Moors Andalusians,

Castillians,Asturians, are decedent of the Visigoths ( a Germanic tribe)

Bonus fact the Portuguese descend from a Celtic tribe Called The Suebis

>>135993766
If your blood line comes from Southern Spain you are most likey an Andalusian.

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Modern Borders of Andalusia

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>>135994271
Iberians are probably the least Germanic people in Europe by any standard
they are just Iberians, fuck off with your pseudoscience

Visigoths were just a brief ruling elite who got btfo by moors

>>135994569
They might be the least Germanic but at least they have some Germanic blood, lets not forget that the Visigoths where also invaders, they Just adopted the Latin way of Life.

>>135994569
By the way quick question what part of Italia are from?

>>135994569
and yeah the Catalans and Basque are Iberian in Origin

>>135984682
They're European Mediterraneans, the best of all races desu

>>135988916
>Couldn't control your barbaric rape urges
literally the same way Rome managed to transform their subjects in semi-decent people
It seems you are lacking the true conqueror and colonizer's genes

While the Catalans, and Basque are Iberian, the Castilians and Austrians are not. But today is a totally different matter.

>>135994569
>tfw you can till see the Normans' heritage in Southern Italy

>>135994271
>mfw spanish great grandfather

pleasebecastillianpleasebecastillianpleasebecastillian

>>135984682
>Beaner
Spaniards = Celts

I just wish the damned Spaniards were more into killing the natives than fucking them. Shit, one of my English ancestors married an Iroquois woman but at least the Iroquois were more civilized than the central and south American tribes.

>>135992756
Clear as mud

>>135994688
literally noise tier, very different from your claim about them being descendants from Germanic tribes

>>135994811
all Iberians are Iberian in origin until proved differently

>>135994743
NE Sardinia/Corsica

>>135995308
>A fucking snail tier lombard barbari

>>135994569
Shit, you can still see part of the old German borders in Prussia

Also
>muh celtic scotlan
>muh celtic irelann

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555
>There is relatively little common ancestry shared between the Italian peninsula and other locations, and what there is seems to derive mostly from longer ago than 2,500 ya....
>...Patterns for the Iberian peninsula are similar, with both Spain and Portugal showing very few common ancestors with other populations over the last 2,500 years

>>135995308
how is that Nose tier, I agreed with you in saying that the Visigoth were the least Germanivc tribe. they are bound to intermix with the native Iberians. And adopt Latin culture

>>135988536
What about Ecuatorial Guinea

>>135995573
look at the damn picture again
even just looking at uniparental markers the very vast majority of Iberians don't even carry Germanic related lineages, let alone any significant germanic admixture, unless of course you can actually provide any data to suppor your thesis
see >>135995555

>>135994569
Catalans may have germanic DNA but they are way darker than castillans, they look like sicilians

>>135995102
An admixture of 40% celt and 40% Iberian (indoeuropean) Some Phoenician, greek, roman blood.
10% with Germanic ancestry.
10% with muslim, pre indoeuropean origins.

But this varies a lot by region.

>>135984682

Original mixture of iberian peninsula is considered to be greek, phoenician, iberian and celt. Second wave is roman and visigoth. Third one is the mixture between that result with arabs and mesoamerican. We are not fucking beaners, we are europeans proud of our history and heritage, and we don't care about being shit-skinned or white at all if u are a legit spaniard (not inmigrants, we are really racist so you have to live at least 3 generations/300 years here and marry some spaniard to adapt and being considered so)

>>135994569
Well, those celtiberian visigoths never got conquered and actually started to remove kebab from the mountains of the north. I'm andalusian and my family came from Cantabria. Many pale blond haired and brown eyes here as well.

>>135996091
maybe do to the Umayyad conquest

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>>135996091
keep in mind that a lot of those lineages included as "Germanic" are subclades of R1b which although more frequent among Germanic speaking populations might have arrived with Celtic populations, so not even anything recent

hell if you consider R1b-U152 as "Italic" then one could make up all sorts of shit about many central Europeans being Italian in origin, while it's clearly not so simple

>>135996232
You're Andalusian by law not blood.

>>135996247
Maybe, I don't know, the muslims didn't stay that long in that part of spain tho and charlemagne sent colons to live on this wasteland (because a lot of the inhabitants fled after the muslim conquest because of raids)

Also a lot of catalans traveled a lot in the middle ages and many were mercenaries working for the muslims taifas or turks and for a time for the byzantines (before betraying them and ravaging greece for decades)

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>>135996247
the arabst stayed way less time in catalonia than other areas of the iberian peninsula, see pic

>>135996232
don't forget though that the main reason most of Iberia fell to the Umayyads in the first place was because Visigoths themselves fucked up badly and were unable to put up a decent resistance

>>135996344
This gene seems more important in nothern italy, nothern italians look like regular french for the most part, maybe it's a more interesting gene for populations having a celtic-roman-germanic ancestry
Still doesn't explain why the catalans are darker, maybe if we use african/arabic genes...

>>135996448
Thank the Franks for that magical BTFO they Moors got at tours. always peace be upon Matamoros.

thank most of all Charles the hammer. if the moors never got btfoed i would probably not exist

>>135985131

Kek

Spanish is a white man's language, the beaners jumping the border speak mostly guttural Spanish.

>>135984682
I don't give a fuck if you think I'm based.
Worry about yourself.
>>135984888
>>135984948
>Nobody from Latin America has descendance from Spain
Retarded.
>>135988371
Latin meets that description, as Portugal is also considered Latin. Hispanic denotes derivation from Spain. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about at all.

You're also completely fucktarded about Spains own ethnic history. You don't actually think Spain is homogeneous do you? Retarded.

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>>135997208
>You don't actually think Spain is homogeneous do you? Retarded.
Where did I even imply that? Chill out a little dude.

>>135997150
this is true, I live around them and their language is blade runner tier gutteral a mix of Slang and Spanish. Im a city boy and my spanish is Clean, accentless. but these people sound like someone is squeezing their balls.

>>135997150

and rural. mostly all bracero (farm hand) descended

>>135997295
Are, in your opinion, Granadans not "true" Spaniards?

Mexicans and American culture don't mix right, its plain wrong. majority indian undesirables are representative of the of the Whole Mexican nation is wrong I hope they get deported back to their sandstone shacks.

>>135997374
>but these people sound like someone is squeezing their balls.

Kek

>>135997889
they have this really rural accent where the last word they say is has a raised occtive. its not charming, its fucking annoying.

>>135997150
>>135997374
Most of latin-american Spanish is generally annoying to listen and clearly inferior because it's less homophonous, which is the characteristic that makes spanish so much more "clean" and easy to learn, but even compared to that M*xican spanish is nigger tier.

It often depends more of socio-economic group than nationality though. The common rabble often speaks nonsense gibberish that hardly passes as spanish, the most extreme example is in Chile, where the lower classes speak a spanish barely intelligible for the rest of us.
>>135997631
I don't understand what point are you trying to make with these questions, and honestly I don't care.

>>135998054
I watch your programming and Castillian is fucking awful to understand and is informal as fuck. its aweful like Argentinian spanish

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>>135984682
>Comparing spaniards to american spic filth
They were among the greatest fighters of the war.

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>>135998256
It being informal is a cultural thing. Our culture is clearly in decadence like that of most of the West, so it's just normal formalities being seen as "too uptight" and being completely abandoned. Adapting one's hearing to a new dialect is always hard, it doesn't mean it is harder to understand.

Everyone believes that their way of speaking it is the best, so it doesn't make sense to argue that, my main point was about the homophonicity. Spanish grew up in a way that makes the spoken language to correspond the written one, which means that when you hear a spanish word you don't know in 99% of cases you can already know how it is written without the need of someone spelling it to you. This applies to most latin american dialects but not as much as in Castillian Spanish.

I think argie spanish is beautiful in some way. We have always laughed at it but in a friendly way. It sounds kind of like italianized spanish and it's quite funny to listen.

>>135998054
>I don't understand what point are you trying to make
That's because you aren't a very intelligent person.

>>135997208
Haiti is part of Latin America because coloniser spoke a Romance language and it is their language franca. Black there didn't descended from French. Hispanic has very different. definitions. Check wiki for more detail and lurk moar.

>>135999586
>being this illiterate
Did you even read how he defined Hispanic?
>Hispanic is just about language and shared history
Get help, your mental retardation is a terrible look.

>>135984888
the entire spic world tries to pass Spaniards off as their own

>>135993077
Mexico is 99% non white. Yes, 1% of it is white.

>>135998908
One particular mannerism I picked up from Castillian is the pronunciation of Gracias as in Grathias .

>>135996344
this is a good architectural gene

>>135999794
As in Economic and as it is racial being white in Mexico equates prestige and opportunity

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>>135997631

Granada is a very heterogeneous place, but is definetely spanish. You can find both blond blue-eyed grenadine women or brown with curly hair that looks like a muslim without hiyab. The dialect is very bizarre and andalusian-like

Video related, the interviewer is the typical grenadian face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6pOzPDD2k

>>135999794
I would say 10% white, 60% semi-white and 30% subhuman azteca indian

>>135998908
that can be explained due to the influence of lunfardo in the argie dialect

>>135999676
Man, you didn't even read my post. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GBt5rMD2aDc try to learn some more.

>>135999815
Well, the c/s pronunciation thing is like the most noticeable thing, the difference is the spanish way is homophonous while with the other a foreigner would have to guess whether an S or C goes there.

Both in Spain and latin america you might get weird stares if you speak it differently than the locals.

>>136000077
My Great-Grandfather was Galician his name Xose but changed it to Jose because people would call him Shose

>>136000362
>he literally can't even read
>"you didn't read my post"

>>136000545
me speaking Mexican spanish with out a shit accent make the locals raise eyebrows. here in Commiefornia

>the spaniards aren't white meme

I'm getting real tired of your shit.

>>135984682
There are two types of Mexicans, high Mexicans and low Mexicans, the low Mexican is embodied in the flesh and spirit of the rotund, sweaty, slovenly Sancho, and the high Mexican in the tall, aristocratic, idealistic Don Quixote. Mexicans send their best to Spain and their worst to the USA, that's why you notice such a difference.

>>136001186 ---> >>136000077

look at all those non white youth how diverse.

>>136001306
>Rotund

how patrician of you

>>136001306

Mexicans don't come to Spain, I have never met one, however I have met several ecuadorians, colombians and venezuelans.

TL;DR version of Spain's history
>Part of Roman Empire
>After collapse, they fuck off to do their thing, they also take a little bit of southern Italy because why not
>They meet the Moors.
>They fuck the Moors (Literally).
>The Moors fuck them even more
>They are now half-breeds of muslim and christian.
>They set sail to the new world
>They meet the Aztecs/Mayans
>They fuck the Aztecs/Mayans
>They FUCK the Aztecs/Mayans
>They are now half-breed muslim-christian-natives

Congratulations, you now have Spain

>>136001734
>I have never met one
Look in the mirror Paquito.

>>136001855
Sloven go home.

>>135984682
WHO AM IIIIIII?
I AM I, DON QUIXOTE! THE LORD OF LA MANCHA!
MY DESTINY CALLS AND I MUST GOOO

>>136001818

>They fuck the Moors

Just a bit.

>The Moors fuck them even more

Wrong

>They are now half-breeds of muslim and christian.

Wrong, half moors and moors were kicked, as well as jewish people. Even those who converted to christianity were eventually expelled. 1492 best year of my life.

>They fuck the Aztecs/Mayans

Right.

>They are now half-breed muslim-christian-natives

Wrong, iberians didnt mix with native americans, only the ones who travelled to the americas did, and not even all of them, why do you think there's some white people in these countries?

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>>135984682
>conflating Spanish with mestizos

>>136002165
>when expelling Jews and Muslims becomes a national past time.

>>136002165
>he unironically thinks every brown person in iberia was forcefully expelled
LOL my dude, look at your fucking food and music.

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>>135985131
>being this dumb who can't understand Sancho Panza

>>136001341

Even a nigger has to adapt, learn the language and the values for surviving here.

In USA u are even more heterogeneous and have near zero culture my dude. This is what a successful inmigrant looks at is best here. No trap superstars brainwashing the "white youth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di22vzZeTlk
Color of skin doesn't matter at all, it's all about the ideas those people holds.

>>136002355
OH MY GOD RHE SPANISH ATE MUSLIMS AND JEWS AND USED THEIR BONES AND SKIN TO MAKE GUITARS!

>>136002502
>being this far in denial that it was physically impossible to remove every person from a landmass that size

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>>136002502
>Used their bones and skin to make guitars

>>136002355

So americans aren't white but half breed white-native american because the british empire didn't kill them all? wew you must be legally retarded.

>>136002492
whew my dude that was cringe

>>136002574
When the spanish we're doing their inquisition here in the Americas they removed a hell of alot Sephardi Jews

>>135984682
Well spanish has been always the most exponent of the catholic church, we fight in lepanto becouse we had to defend our christian fellows, we colonized the world so we could spread christianism and save the souls of the people in different countries, spain is the country who has sent most religious missions to the world.

While british portuguese and dutch mistreated the natives spain people has always treat them well seeking for the salvation of their soul and fiar trade, (becouse getting huge profits was a jewish thing)

>>136001818

Don't forget the inquisition applied in 1492 for all those non-christian. Also blood purity laws of the new world. That statement is 20kg of toro shit. And u are a french bastard son.

>>136002355
We did expel them. Those that wanted to stay had to convert to christianism, keep his wealth here and forcefully blend with the spanish people and culture. After 800 years u can't do much more than we did. Anyways we were lucky that the arab invaders were the smart-tier and had their golden age of science, maths and agriculture here in the penninsula.

>>136002502
>kek'd

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>spaniards arent whi-

>>136002574
dude they didnt came that much muslims to spain, also christians in spain has always rejected every bit of muslim shit, of cours is impossible to remove everyperson, thats why they were used as slaves in the south of spain after being converted to christianism, but still the all between muslims and crishtians wwas very big here

>>135985131
not knowing sancho panza represents the wisedom the humility the honor and devotion of humble people

>>136003145
>>136003281
>we expelled them
>there were no muslims
>we just adapted their culture as our own because it was nice :^)

>>136003349
The Modern Anglo American Male sees everything in the context of Race and Class because that is his God.

>>136003426

As we often say here, eres más tonto que mear p'arriba y abrir la boca.

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>>136003218
>that many moroccans

>>136003426

How did we adapt their culture as our own?what did we exactly adapt as our own? are you just trolling?

>>135994811

Mate...half Catalonia descend from andalusians cause of last century migrations and it´s also the biggest and only yihadist nest in Spain.

>>136003426
lie to me and tell me la alhambra isnt beautiful

>>135995280
actually spanish were into converting them, thats why all of them speak spanish and are really christians

>>135996419
realizing that arabs almost stayed anywere and were just taking tributes of the northerners until we got our land back

>>136003218

>Tortosa
Can you not post cuckalonia?

Also
>Judith Mola Audi

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>>136003218
when are we taking our fucking country back?

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>>136003218
To talk about Spanish people and all I see is Morrocans..Everywhere

>>136004081

Never, anon, Spain will only become browner by the time, the whole European continent will. The whole world actually.

>>136003349
>the humility the honor and devotion of humble people
So the good goyim

>>136004081
Isn't Khan a Paki rather than a Moor tho?

>>136001734
actually they come, im in the university and everyyear come many of them, but they just come for a year, the ones who comes actually are very rich and if they dont speak is hard to differentiate them from us, so i guess anon got a point there

>>136004414
we use the word moors to talk broadly about brown mudslime subhumans

>>136004410
>Spanish man calling the Jews Humble and Honorable
>Things that will never happen

>>136003218
>When Reconquista this time will go eastwards and this time you have help of Brazilians and Kangz to back you up.

>>136003218
>ayesha jawed, derek kuksa, fatima el atfi ussama charef , aderrazzak benyazid akarya mouhou muhammad hahzaid khan riham shimh

Look all those typical spanish guys

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>>136004624
no thanks, stay in your containment country
even when invaded by actual moors we're whiter and more succesful than you'll ever be

>>136003708
he got a point, paella persianas, siesta baths many etc come from culture apropiation from moors

Actually spaniard people has been very efficient expropient good things of every people, tobacco cocoa corn, tomato etc

>>136004410
have you read the quixote? if not i will explain, Sancho feels devotion for don Quixote for his childish and heroic life that he seems in his craziness, and he tries to protect him and guide him in safe paths, becouse he love the honor, the heroic fights, the nobility etc... but he knows everything of those doesn't exist, he is a pragmatic man that decided to follow don quixote becouse his way of see the life, becouse he worries about him, in the second part he is the governor of some land and he prove himself being very wise, but he refuses that position becouse he rather has a peaceful life that having to deal with politics envius and dissidia from other people

>>136004746
Thank you for sparing us from the slave trade I can't imagine Mexico infested with Nogs.

>>136004410
"I firmly believe whatever our holy Roman Catholic Church believes, and I hate the Jews mortally."
Words of Sancho in the second book.

>>136004791

Oh right so everyone who regularly showers or takes baths or eats paella is a moor or is related to them somehow. Right.

it doesnt matter if iberians/europeans were dirty fucks and learnt how to bath thanks to moors, the moors didn't invent bathing or cleaning oneself, so what's the point.

>>135997208
Please leave.

>>136003708
>he doesn't know Spanish music and cuisine is largely Moorish

>>136005683

What music exactly?

>>136005829
Maybe this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZyL3_p3wjY

>>136005535
dude all of thee things were brought by the moors to the iberian peninsula, feel proud for your heritage but dont deny the facts

>>136005683
Yeah and your Music and Cuisine is largely Niggerish

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>>136004746
Seriously, man this isn't funny - islam is a religion with political objectives and lobbies. You have already Islamic parties in Ceuta and Melilla and they started to make a petition to cordoba's cathedral back to the moors to pray or museum pressing the leftists parties in andaluzia.

>>136005910

Are you saying we wouldn't be taking baths nowadays if it wasnt for the moors?

Im not denying the fact that iberians were dirty fucks, but that doesnt mean we would still be dirty fucks nowadays if the moors hadnt invaded the peninsula.

>>136005910

Talk about how their language influenced ours (just about the same as other languages) and I will take it, but not fucking baths for fucks sake.

>>136005683
I don't mind if you Americans are retarded but why can't you keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you are talking about? It's not that hard.

>>136006100
>The benevolent moors taught the Iberians how to bathe. How nice.

Spanish typical music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4zTwLFpq7s

>>136006100
Of course not, baths would come other way becouse is a health thing and a habit, but someplaces develop baths before than others we apropiete that becouse it wasnt an habit here also, alahmbra de sevilla, giralda cordobas cathedral... And im from La RIoja and feel proud of being born here, but definetly there are some moor remanents in our culture

>>136006340
every single day my grandmother used to sing that song when i was little i feel sad now

>>136006239
>We ejected all the brown people
>We just adapted their music into Flamenco because it sounds nice :^)
Sure thing Moor, next you're going to say Al Pastor isn't Shawarma

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>>136005683
This is the more iconic spanish food... literally a leg of a pig... Do you think this is moor (or jewish) food?

>>136006437
So is everyone that rebuttals your talking points a moor? WOW I HATE (((MOORS))) Now.

>>136006592
JÁMONNNNNNNNNN

>>136006340
that was nice.

The Most obvious Moorish music is Zambra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owwv3_-oI0A

>>136006857
And it looks more European than Berber

>>136006100

What the fuck? Are you proxy larper or just retarded?

Things what we got from the arabs that we keep because they were good and beneficious to us and the rest of the world: Algebra, vocabulary, astronomy, medicine, hidraulic engineering, agriculture and alchemy. Pretty much Al-Andalus was the most advanced piece of land during Middle ages. Nowadays we still have some variations of their language, and cultural elements like music, gastronomy, arts, architecture, etcetcetc are of course inlfuenced by them. And I'm not ashamed of it since they were smart-tier arabs during their golden age.

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>>135984682

>>136006437
This is what I'm talking about. You people are so retarded you think tacos are Spanish food, this taco al pastor you are talking about is related to arab immigrants in Mexico. Now imagine if I said mac&cheese is British cuisine.

>>136004746
>rejecting the iberian alliance

kys amigo, have fun dealing with ETA and friends.

>>136007245
eta is no longer a thing. update tugabro

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>>135984682
This upstanding Dominican man basically invented neuroradiology. Founded the American Society of Neuroradiology and taught at Harvard Med School.

>>136007245
I apologize in behalf of my Spaniard bros.

>>136007301

They've "officially" disarmed but I doubt they'll stop fighting for their cause any time soon.

>>136007548
yeah yeah sure. why not? Isis is popping, why not make a comeback?

>>136007113
>being this far in denial that Spanish "culture" is largely known as the offshoot of middle eastern Islamic culture
So mad, so gay, nice try though nigger.

>>136007844
Wrong.

Influenced slightly be North African Islamic culture. Spain is nowhere near the Middle East

>>135988371
you got americanized
hispanoamericans are not hispanic

39% of catalan citizens are first generation migrants
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

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Reminder that Cervantes fought in Lepanto against the Ottoman. Though taken down with fever, Cervantes refused to stay below and asked to be allowed to take part in the battle, saying he would rather die for his God and his king than keep under cover. He fought on board a vessel and received three gunshot wounds – two in the chest and one which rendered his left arm useless.

>>136004746
This, fuck poortugal.

>>136008629
So are there unicorns in Andorra?

>>136008565
Lepanto movie when?

>>135993202
Aprende inglés antes de entrar a /pol/, Pablo

>>136007654

That what you say is more related than you think. Now ((they)) focus on catalonia.

I actually consider you portuguese as iberian brothers. You are independent galicians who took the atlantic path of progress by allying with anglos (they first claim "muh eternal allies" then they treat you like shit imo) and we did the same but with french bitches. Once we fought together the moors, we conquered americas hand by hand, held the empire where the sun never set and ended up badly toghether as well. I hope some day we are together once again :)

>>136008565
>mfw ywnb a soldier in the best times

>>136008629
els portuguesos son veritablement la xacra d'andorra, son com els mexicans a EEUU

but seriously what happen with portugal
they were the best of the best in the 15th
a nation of explorers and inventors
did they all die childless or what?

>>135999740
NOSOTROS

>>136009216
FUIMOS

>>136009216
>>136009241
REYES

>>136009241
LA CUCARACHA

>>136008838
I've mastered English, and I speak it eloquently. I'm just writing poorly do to me staying up since 1:00 a.m so pardon my writing Joe Gringo.

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Daily Reminder that Columbus was spanish cause he was catalan, he signed Colom wich is pigeon in catalan
Colom is a common surname
And the catholic kings meet with him in San Geroni de la Murtra, the outskirts of Barcelona
Reminder that castillans prefered him to be italian than catalan
And that he hide his identity cause he use to be a pirate
So yes, WE

>>136008853
Stop kissing my feet you dirty moor

That's why he named Montserrat one of the islands he discobered and not fuckin Genoa

>>136009615
Not being an asshole, but its Discovered.

>>136009521
Why would Fernando de Aragón prefer that Colombus was italian and not one of their own vassals.

>>136009801
Italians were great Merchants and sailors?

>>136009801
and Catalans were, not liked look at Rodrigo Borgia

>>136010052
I don't understand your point

>>136010268
He fought against his father in the catalan civil war (1462–1472)

>>136009901
Some parts of italy were under the crown of aragon
italy didn't exist at that time

>>136010052
true, borgias were valencians (catalans) and weren't that much corrupt as the other popes but because they were foreigners they made up stories

>>136010268
He was absolutely hated because he was Catalan and the even the Orisini family ended feuds to stop Rodrigo from becoming the Pope. The Cardinals would say that a Catalan Pope was unthinkable.

>>136009100
>they were the best of the best in the 15th
This is a meme you know, they weren't any better than Castille or Aragon.

>>136010577
Well I'm talking about the people not the Kingdom.

>>136010577
Yeah like that Incest shit.

>>136010734
sorry what do you mean? that catalans weren't like in general?
no one was liked in that time
it was constant warfare between kingdoms and even between cities

>>136011139
I know but there was so much animosity for the Borgia family and being Catalan was a negative for him, Unlike His Children who were Born Italian (culturally)

>>136005683

American education ...

BTW who was the Father of the Infans Romanus

>>136003145
They did not actually do much of anything is spain when it comes to science. Read the myths of the andalusian paradise.

>>136004791
Pretty sure they took lots from the people living there already. You know that you were part of the roman empire? They had baths and and shit? They were savage berbers.

>>136007076
You completely forget your roman heritage. Also most "arab" science and architecture is persian, byzantine and assyrian.

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>>136005098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnAgMX0eZTc

Things capitalists will never understand.

>>135988811
Sooo Brazilians and English speaking Mexicans are no longer Spanish?

Top kek

>>136012576
This is so cute!

>>135984682
you fucking moron, spaniards are NOT the brown mestizos you see in amerca