/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

What is wrong with civic nationalism if you are willing to remove/punish those in your society that do not contribute to it and cause harm to your people through encouraging culture that go against your society ideals that make it such a great place?

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>>135938336
Keep the commies out.

>>135938592
>What is social engineering?

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>>135938336
REAL NIGGA HOURS ANTICIPATION THREAD
smash that mf reply button

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Reminder, libertarianism doesn't work

https://www.texasobserver.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-freest-little-city-in-texas/

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>>135938869
I SAID IF U UP, STACKIN MEMES AN BUMPIN ALL DAM NITE YOU BETTER SMASH THAT MF REPLY BUTTON

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>>135938336
PALEO CREW > NazBol Fagz
>>135938592
if you're already being exclusive, why not go full huwhite?
>>135938916
>right wing = mental illness
lol you're a funny guy for a leftist.
>>135938869
also this, smash that shit.

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>>135938869
That's très parfait.

>>135938916
Reminder, Marxism doesn't work.

https://www.all_of_human_history_you_commie_faggot.ru/why_you_guys_always_turn_state_capitalist

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>>135938916
remember, commies don't work
WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE WITH THE FURRIES AND OTHER DEGENERATES

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>>135938916
>Commie trying to argue what te superior from of political philosophy is

>>135938916
Oh, I saw this article a few days ago. This really isn't an example of muh lolbergtardians btfo - the guy made terrible investment choices, went too quick - tried to cut tax too fast without cutting services or taking loans. This also isn't an ancap city anyway.
Funny that you would point to an example of a political experiment failing once with that flag.

>>135938869
SMASH THAT MF (YOU) BUTTON
You never answered me in the discord, why you in britbongistan anyway senpai?

>>135939149
fuggin saved, great pic.

>>135938812
Are you implying that the use of left tactics to preserve a civic nationalist society is reasonable?

>>135939102
What the fuck is huwhite? Is this some sort of stormfront meme?

>>135938916
>Mayor of a town can't run shit
>Blame Libertarian.

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>>135939244
learning the beautiful ways of the britons such as making toast sandwiches and running from vans of peace in monsoon-tier rain

>>135939397
The opposite.
That's my problem with civic nationalism (tm).

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>>135938336
I feel like I'm slowly slipping away from libertarianism. I'm sorry but 'live and let live' clearly doesn't work with leftists. They must be removed, physically, so to speak.

I guess I just need a Pinochet.

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>>135939165
They cut taxes just like lolbergs want. They couldn't afford a sewer system, police department, fire department, repave the roads, and animal control.

>Muh market fixes everything
Nope, capitalism cannot survive without a state. Your entire ideology is a delusion.

>>135939397
I don't think actual nazis use stormfront.

>>135939453
My sides, you split them.

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>>135939453
desu lad toast sandwiches are pretty good
I ate one once as a joke thinking it'd be shit but those things are great with some fresh bread

>>135939534
I don't see the issue. If you are taking in the best and give them the opportunity to be the best they can. You not only generate a member of society that contribute and improves it. You also get more people who accept that society and further contribute to it through their kids.

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>>135939544
>Pinoshit
>Destroyed the country
>Hey at least he killed a few political dissidents for the memez guiz xD

>>135939651
Googling it I was lead towards stormfront.

Is that middle guy Pepe Korwin Mikke?

>>135939544
My company sells specially designed commie dropping helos.

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>>135939544
you're only supposed to let them live if they don't try and murder and steal from you, which leftists do. so get rid of them.

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>>135939559
>Nope, capitalism cannot survive without a state.
>Every single communist country to date has been muh state capitalism

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>>135939717
Chile is the only developed country in Latin America thanks to him you communist pig.

Socialism died with the Soviets, fag.

>>135939559
Anarcho-communism wouldn't work without a state.
And communist states always turn into state capitalism, with a dictator.
I don't think you get to talk about economic or political theories.

>>135939894
This.

>>135939712
Either you have freedom, or you don't.
Some faggot telling me what is best for my nation (tm) isn't freedom.

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>>135939717
>Chili is now the best country in South America
>Lol the country was destroyed.
Do a back flip faggot.

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>>135939894
>>135939966
Captcha: LENINE Customer

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>>135940070

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>>135940157
Captcha: Select all Helicopters.

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>>135940157
Yeah, see capitalism does work well.
Even state capitalism.

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>>135939544

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>>135939544
Extra Depth

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>>135939559
Can't survive without a state?
Funny that welfare pets like yourself say that.

>>135940224
If that was a Russian made boot, he'd only have one of them.
And the one of them he did have wouldn't be made from leather, but the failed Communist Manifesto.

>>135938336
>Left Libertarians: Drug Addicts
>Right Libertarians: Their Enablers

>>135940363
>>135940421
Mhm, I wonder how well national (((socialism))) is do-... Oh.

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>>135939717
>muh 3000 gorillion
You don't get to disbelieve property rights without rejecting them for yourself, thus making yourself the property of whoever decides that something needs to be done about your retardation.

>>135939789
No, it's Rothbard. We only have Mikke emojis on the discord yet.

>>135940425
Will you tax me?
How're you going to guarantee a dictatorship will not form?
Statism isn't the answer, anon.

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>>135940068
That is an issue however the idea is that one who proves to be a contributor to a society should live free and have a just life. However people who actively try to destroy such a society should just be removed.

>>135940224
>No valid defense
lol

>>135940363
>>135940421
Ethnic Commie get out!

>>135940837 see >>135940824.

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>>135940421
you fags weren't libertarians, you were basic bitches we call left libertarians, the kind that allow degeneracy into their libertarian social order.

you fags wouldn't accept physical removal and so you got pozzed and enriched. and now you're a pozzed commie who is still enriched.

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>>135940157
>dubček
the guy joined the '89 protesters
it was always about having less socialism

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>>135940356
>Public ownership of the means of production
>Capitalism

>>135940445
Communism doesn't have the planned obsolescence that capitalism has. Communist products last longer.

>>135940443
Yes capitalism cannot survive without a state. Capitalism by definition requires a state to enforce private property rights. Ancaps are doing away with their only mode of protection. Biting the hand that feeds and all that.

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>>135940575
>oh no the drug addicts are gonna OD and kill themselves if we dont save them!

ok so whats the problem? you want to rehabilitate them? lol good luck.

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>>135940933
>How dare they create sets of rights for sub-groups of people we've traditionally shit on and exploited! Degenerates!!

>>135940824
>No statism
Personally don't see a society with Anarchy unless you managed to find a bunch of bright AND intelligent individuals form a society that would form a voluntary society. However it is just not something I see working as it has the flaws that marxism has. Eventually someone is going to get greedy and as you hope to not form, a dictatorship.

I feel a small government that gives more power to the local level is the best way to go with this. With a national level of government there to help with larger cooperation among smaller governments.

>>135940871
Nigga calm down.

>>135940421
>implying we're not reactionaries
Also, Buchanan was endorsed by Rothbard, so he must have been a kike puppet hell-bent on destroying the West himself.

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>>135941093
Holy fuck, you're so thick.
You don't even know what STATE CAPITALISM is.
Sad.

>Communism doesn't have the planned obsolescence that capitalism has. Communist products last longer.
>products
Ah, yes, that must be why the USSR was such an economic power house... oh... wait.

>Yes capitalism cannot survive without a state. Capitalism by definition requires a state to enforce private property rights. Ancaps are doing away with their only mode of protection. Biting the hand that feeds and all that.
It can.
But communism can't.

>>135941269
civil "rights" are an abombination, its in direct opposition to our natural property rights.

>>135939717
>thinks anything from a commie can be taken seriously

Lol, kys homo

>>135941269
>Liberalism is about freedom and equality!
>But these groups are more free and equal!
Whoa, so complex.

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>>135941446
From whence do you derive these Natural Property Rights?
Does it involve invisible winged people?

>>135941318
Competitiveness keeps people in check.
Governments are becoming weaker, corporations are becoming stronger.
The issue is cronyism and the exploitation of law and therefore governmental threat.
Without that, there wouldn't be cronyist exploitation.

>>135941651
My ability to blow your head off if you come into my house.

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>>135941498
>Groups that have been systematically exploited and economically disadvantaged for generations.
>But now we can't publicly shit on them, so they ARE NOW MORE EQUAL!

I'd like to believe you are young enough to grow out of this asinine way of thinking, but I somehow doubt it.

Real talk: How does an ANCAP society not turn into a feudal state? Like, what's there to prevent one guy to get rich, buy a bunch of land and then force the residents to sell and then declare it to be his own state and that he is king?
Obviously not an issue for lesser libertarian capitalist systems where there is a central govt with monopoly of force.

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>>135941843
The very moment that the only thing defending your Natural Property Rights is whatever sidearm you're in possession of, you're basically fucked Early.

>>135941999
Are you fucking serious?
I'll give you one example.
>Affirmative action
That alone, ALONE, utterly destroys your argument.

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>>135941093
>communist products last longer
Yeah, like economic retardation causing Eastern Europe to lag behind the West. I'd know a thing or two about that.
Also, pretty sure that there was never "real" communism, so what products do you mean?
I can enforce private contracts against infringement (property crime) with a gun. That's the way things are enFORCEd.
You can't run, you can't hide.
https://youtu.be/a72QsE0QLHw
I bet you have enough experience biting the hand of your professors while they fuck you in the ass.

>>135942213
>What is private security?
You're pretty dumb.

>>135941843
Though your points are good ones there is still the issue of those who do try as much as they can to ruin others with their greed when they get to a certain size. Look at Wal-mart of an example that can simply drive out competition due to the sheer scale of their operation. I don't find this wrong personally but in a society with no government that mostly removed from business. It could lead to poor decisions and cronyism as it is.

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>>135938336
DAILY REMINDER: Geolibertarianism is where it's at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrClVfO4CpM

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>>135941330
USSR was socialist. Most of the means of production were owned by worker cooperatives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK6Gr4kfZGk

>>135942374
>So then I'll buy a small army to defend myself...

And then Petoria was Liberia.

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>>135941651
Do you feel in charge over your fingers as you type this?
If so, you own yourself.
What's the next step on your master plan?

>>135942497
No it's wicked gay

>>135942530
Politically socialist.
Economically state capitalist, you moron.

>>135942602
I now have the FREEDOM to choose my protectors, not state subsidized (with my tax money) protectors who I don't choose and don't know their efficiency.
>What is corporate competitiveness?

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>>135938336
To the Ancap fucks read the Protocols of Zion. They use liberalism to support globalist predatory business and communist to support globalist massive police state.

Individual autonomy is good but it ends at the borders.

>>135942751
huh I never thought about that point, good argument.

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>>135942290
Seriously anon? Take a closer look at the products you buy under capitalism. Most are designed to last 1-2 years at which they start breaking down from poor workmanship and materials. This is planned because capitalism relies on constant consumerism. All these broken goods end up in the landfill. Look at early Ford model vehicles that were built to last. Now cars depreciate by more than half in a few years. Try to get yourself a communist product and you'll see what longevity is.

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>>135942092
>implying we're not just monarchists LARPing as ancaps

>>135942450
That's because of cronyist monopolies.
Without a state to bribe to be able to suppress competition, the consumers vote with their wallets.

>>135942936
Neo-fedualists*

>>135942813
>What is statism?

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>>135942731
I'm not the grown adolescent who believes that Lolbertarianism will lead to anything but Feudal Chaos.

It's nothing but "Nice Society you've built here; now imma build a wall around this part of it, and fuck your rules and taxes."

>>135942497
excuse me I'm trying to stay awake for AUTHENTIC NEGRO TIME OF DAY
stop posting your boring ideology lmao goofy lookin ass

>>135943177
>Reductionism makes me smart!
No, it makes you an intellectually dishonest denailist post-modernist piece of shart.

It is safer than letting Eddie the Socialist Dictator take your guns and then when you try and fight back against his totally not capitalist friends, they just slaughter you.

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>>135943218
If politics/economics is boring to you then you need to reflect on yourself.

>>135941330
>
It's kinda weird that everyone thinks the USSR was economically weak. It was by most historians estimates surprisingly robust and advanced from being a century behind technologically to being at the forefront of development over the course of 50 years.

Then again, MUH COMMUNISM, so you're right. Massive mordernisation doesn't matter.

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>>135943367
This is funny as you're not even being reductionist, you feel you can just spout idiocy like "Affirmative Action! HAHAH ur arguments are dead!"

If anything, I am trying to carry the conversation down to your level, but it's hard. Maybe I should start drinking.

Can someone recommend me some books on getting started on An-Capism? I want to redpill my friend on it but I got redpilled on An-Capism online and he prefers reading books.

I need a book that will give a full rundown on An-Capism

>>135942258
>Affirmative Action.
That shit is broken and should be removed. If minorities can't get into college the correct way, then its the society that they come from that has failed.
t. Black who was ignored for dumber Mexicans in Texas.

>>135942999
Yes however how do your prevent a corporation from controlling multiple other businesses and changes prices among them to cause fake competition. This is the issue I find with an anarchist system of self government. It just doesn't have check and balances. However the issue is something we have now as it is. The government did cause these to form too but I would believe it would be more rampant with no government.
check'd

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>>135943367
>It is safer than letting Eddie the Socialist Dictator take your guns
This by the way, just makes you sound like some fringe idiot. Which has traditionally killed the intellectually dishonest Libertarian movement, fringe idiots and their paranoia of the FEMA death camps.

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>>135942929
nigga your nervous system is designed to break down as soon as someone mentions the fact that you couldn't hold down a job if you put the combined weight of communism's failures on top of it and your lack of agency and overall human quality will finally kill you in a matter of a few years
fuck I could run meme circles around you before your malnutritioned ass even realised what was going on, it's not even funny
go back to a board that tolerates this level of delusions of yours to drive up traffic before they ultimately shut it down because of how disgraceful it is
>>>/lgbtypol/

>>135942258
Does it? Cause affirmative action has never been that implemented. Usually people suggest it and then chuds yell it down. When it does happen, it's a half assed measure that doesn't measure up. Now if you did reparations, THAT would defeat the argument.

As is, if you're born poor'n'black, go to a broken school and don't eat half the time, but then get told that if you make it into college you'll get a discount on tuition, you're still fucked. Surprise surprise.

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>>135943562
>It was successful, honest!
>The USSR collapses.
Mhm...

>>135943633
>No points found: CHECK!
>No argument found: CHECK!
You didn't even rebuff my Affirmative Action point, so I guess it got you.
Shame, I thought you were wicked smart!
Oh wait, you're not.

>>135943177
>feudal
>chaos
senpai

>>135943822
Your premise on Affirmative Action rests on the idea that there's some scarcity of seats in college classrooms, and that if they help Juan get a boost up in opportunity, it's at the cost of pushing someone else out onto the sidewalk.

Which is untrue. It's the lower education schools in Juan's tax-starved neighborhoods that are overcrowded.

Friendly reminder that any group that allows a nigger (thatguyt) to be a popular representation of their ideology is degenerate.

Do not support degenetarians.

>>135943822
>Affirmative Action.
Precisely.

Journalism and wallet voting.

>>135943868
>Still no argument, or point detected, just ad hom.
Pass.

>>135943910
>Non-whites need not apply
And the leaf is blown into the wind, once more.

>>135943482
the only thing I'm reflecting right now is your lack of memetic capability
post the MSPaint /pol/ logo for Georgistan, I dare you

I just want my property rights to be respected

is that too much to ask?

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>Implying I don't want private corporations to own cities and charge rent for public goods.

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>>135938662
>>135939102
>>135939143
>>135939717
>>135940070
Why does /lrg/ worship a statist who was backed by the (((CIA))) and imposed curfews on an entire country and got rid of democracy and paved the way for it to begin importing shitskins from other poorer south American countries. He's the opposite of individual rights and is quite literally a dictator complete with goosestepping troops and a Nazi inspired anthem to finish it off with

Also have this meme against the commies.

>>135944126
It doesn't just affect academia, you charlatan.

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>>135943907
>combined weight of communism's failures
The only failure of the USSR was that they didn't destroy capitalism :^)

>>135944193
What?

>>135943790
Read The Law by Bastiat, even the self-proclaimed educated lefties can't argue against his points
after that, read/listen to What Must Be Done by Hoppe and you have an effortless, solid foundation to build upon

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>>135944164
here's your logo:

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>>135944022
They are hardly exclusive, especially when your nation devolves into local warlords attempting to keep order with their personal armies, as you seem to favor.

Or are you confused on the meaning of Feudalism?

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>>135939717
>Commies think that shock therapy is supposed to work immediately.

>>135944300
>Unironically thinking communism was successful.
>Kills more people than Hitler.

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>>135944183
>Being this cucked for porky

>>135944229
I'm addressing his point on education because that's how he framed his argument.

>>135942813
AnCap is not liberalism.

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>>135938916
Oh no, a little city failed, how's that working for the USSR?

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>>135944433
>Kills more people than Hitler.
Oh yes all those poor Nazi invaders

>>135944148
>libertaryans
>degenerate
Daily reminder that Fashitst daddy Pussylini was a civic nationalist, so you're the last to speak.

>>135944183
>public
no we not doin that

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>>135944317
Pinochet was literally a CIA plant. It makes zero sense for anyone to follow him. He is the very definition of controlled opposition. Let alone his actions of being a dictator, and looking more like Nazi Germany then ancap land

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>>135944193
There actually is. I have gotten a letter stating that I was exactly what they were looking for however due to their process and maybe because I have a loving father that gave me a normal (white) name I got pushed out for others. The drop out rate for this university is large and even people I knew smarter than me dropped out after a semester. There is a scarcity of seats at many top rated Universities. Even the one I went to was crowded as fuck. This issue is that those who do make the decision for those to enter the university have their own personal quotas they want to fill.

>>135944193
Memes.

Lol I got the helicopter captcha on this.

>>135944486
I'm addressing your point on Affirmative Action because that's how you framed your argument.

>>135944538
>Killing citizenry.
Nice intellectual dishonesty, you torpid turd.

>>135944193
Pinochet is a meme. That being said, a dictator was probably the least bad option for the country, given that the communist Allende completely fucked up his country and hundreds of thousands were about to starve. Plus, congress authorized the coup.

Check out Axel Kaiser.

>>135944368
MOOOOOOOT

>>135944725
We only worship the part when he threw commies out of choppers.

>>135944300
Nah, you got blown out like a candle and masking it with the annual Ministry of Truth report on how to deal with dank meemays on the Internet.

>>135944800
okay that makes sense now.

>>135944733
Yes the nazis also killed millions of Soviet citizens, what's your point?

I'm curious what fellow An-Caps think of Stefan Molyneux. He dismantles very regularly idiot Socialists/Communists that come onto his show.

I can't think of any point that he makes that I disagree on, other than his retarded de-fooing shit

>>135944366
You only own land if you alter it, as it's a finite resource.

>>135944926
>Killing your own citizenry.
>I'm doing this for your own good!
It is bad you amoral moron.
No wonder you're a commie, you don't value human life, or individual sovereignty and growth whatsoever.
If you like collectivism so much, go and live in Confucian China.

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>>135944733
At this point, you are just transparently in defensive shit-post mode.

There isn't an employment scarcity in the US either, aside from the one in the manufacturing sector which was created by your Wealthy Idols seeking a more "Libertarian" environment for their production.

Stop pretending you were passed up for that Big Promotion so Tyrone could have it as a Gib.
We both know that's a fabricated narrative.

>>135944368
>warlords
Maybe in Amuttica, but Europe is not like that. Dinko would cut immigration in half by himself.

>>135944958
Stefs pretty based.

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I live in Sweden. If the rule of law falls in my country I am going to go around my country and just kill communists.

I am not even going to give them the helicopter treatment. I am just going to dig deep graves in the forest and either shoot them in the head or beat them to death. Then bury them,.

This is funny enough a mainstream opinion in Sweden. Even immigrants hate communists. We will kill you red scum. We are going to bury you. We are going to rip your limbs from your body.

This is not a threat. This is a promise.

>>135944699
>ableist
I'm a cripple and less of a bitch than commies, Jesus Christ.

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>>135945023
are you retarded? If I buy land I don't have to alter it to maintain ownership. In fact, we're incentivizes to NOT alter it since by improving the land we are also increasing the taxes we have to pay. It's why Georgism is the solution to that.

>>135945136
You haven't made a valid point in several posts.
There was nothing to argue, so I don't need to make an argument.
I'm just dicking your slack asshole after having pounded your commie cunt into the dirt.

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>>135945207
Prove it Swedistan citizen.

>>135945434
Jag har slagit sönder mängder av kommunister på krogen.

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>>135945167
Yeah, Europe has NEVER shown a tendency to fragment and Balkanize along every possible ethnic, religious or completely fabricated fault-line imaginable.

You can't be serious. The VERY MOMENT the darkies from the desert are gone, you'll resume picking away at each other.

>>135944926
Better dead than Red. He did them a service, though as a Slav I'd have preferred a less invasive approach.

>>135945207
is it really mainstream to hate communism is swedistan? It seems pretty commie up there to me.

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>>135945433
Another fine example.

>>135945563
>I like to play Nostradamus!
Supposition isn't an argument.

>>135943046
What?

>>135944520
Extreme liberalism.

>>135945651
>Projection.
Yes, I know your last few posts have been utterly shit.

>>135945563
easy, we diaspora the krauts

>>135940157
But none of those states were real communism.

>>135945674
It's not my fault you ignore the context of history in your fevered Utopian imaginings.

>>135945703
I'm so "liberal" that im basically a monarchist at this point.

>>135945632
Everyone who is not a communist hates them. This is not a joke. Send weapons, ammo and fighters when our civil war lights up.

If you want to kill commies, come here when we have our civil war.

>>135945703
>laissez-faire approach
Hippity hoppity, not on my property.
Hipenku, hopenku, nie na mojom pozemku.

>>135945703
Jewry only functions because of state backed cronyism.

>>135945815
Touché, the retard doth protest too much, methinks.
>I'm calling you a hypocrite, it might be too cultured for you.

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>>135944728
This you lol?

>>135945120
>It is bad you amoral moron.
Where did I say it wasn't? Capitalism kills more people anyway.

>you don't value human life
There are 3 million homeless people in the US but 15 million empty houses. Capitalists don't give a shit about human life, just profit and maintaining their power through the system.

>individual sovereignty
Yes if only I respected the exploitation of the working class. That's how we achieve peak freedom.

>and growth whatsoever
USSR rapidly industrialized under Stalin and put the first man in space. If that isn't growth I don't know what is. On the other hand, capitalism inhibits technological growth. It locks potential engineers and scientists out of work behind a pay wall.

>>135940575
You say that like it's an issue.

>>135945978
>I like to conflate cronyism with capitalism.
And argument just went, POOF!

>>135945837
>Civil War in Sweden to uncuck it.
I want to believe. I really considered it a place to travel to and possibly immigrate to when younger before I realized how bad it was.

>>135945978
>Resorting to calling someone a virgin.
Nice projecting there fag.

>>135945818
Then you don't even know what you are. American 'liberals" are socialists.

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>>135945837
>born just in time to stain beautiful virgin Nordic nature red with the blood of traitors

>>135944446

>HURRRR.... CORPORATIONS ARE TYRANNY

Chomskyite pinkos pls go. Having a private organization collect rent for public goods eliminates rent-seeking behavior. If leftists weren't dumbasses, they would realize corporations are legal vehicles to change politics. But thankfully, they're dumb as dirt.

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>>135945598
>Better dead than Red
Be careful what you wish for ;^)

>>135946080
>Wasn't real capitalism
Nice

>>135946168
Nah it's response to the stale helicopter memes.

Honestly An-Capism seems perfect. I can't find a flaw with it. Even with free immigration, no welfare state would outlaw people coming in and shitting up the country.

The real question for An-Caps is how exactly we get there. If we could figure that out, we've figured out how to live.

>>135946186
yeah people who identify as liberals today in america are commie scum. But actual liberal democrats are also a bunch of fags.

>>135946283
That burn.

>>135946361
>Nice.
Hypocrites don't get to pass judgement, fuckhead.
Besides, it isn't.
Crony corporations only get away it because they're back by statism.

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>>135946361
>Stale
Bitch that shit is so fresh its spilling into normie everyday talk now.

>>135945972
That is the point of what I said in the first post. They use the communist vs liberal dichotomy to push and protect their own goals.

>>135938336
Lolbertarians just need to die

>>135944689
>ancuck sperg dismisses anything with "public" in it.

"Public good" is a formal economics term.

>>135946541
Oh, sorry.

>>135946567
That's awfully high tier discourse, for such a small man.
>When brainlets try and realpolitik the post.

>>135946363
lel you cant really believe this..

Ancap = Autism

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>>135946363
>no flaw
lmfao see: >>135944366

>>135946539
Fuck forgot I forgot that I have a setting that changes file names.

Should be: only good commie.jpg

>>135946672
>Being atypical is bad!
I know you commies ae collectivist scum, but come on, don't be so overt!

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>>135946363
off to a bad start, stay away from that gay "free migration" bullshit. You dont have free migration in ancapistan. you have properties with private borders that you're not allowed to cross with out the owners consent.

I guess I didn't paste my threadly "OPEN BORDERS IS AN ASSAULT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY" post. please read up.

>Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property | Lew Rockwell
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property
>Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal | Lew Rockwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5wZjdEl9F8
>Nations by Consent | Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf
>Natural Order, the State, and the Immigration Problem | Hans-Hermann Hoppe
https://mises.org/system/tdf/16_1_5.pdf?file=1&type=document

>>135944699
>le politically correct capitalist depiction
>implying they are not the jews all along

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>>135944446
>not allowing people to make more money based on risk and liability

I guess the government will provide us with all the stuff we need to produce things, then we can abuse it as much as we can! Who cares how many people get hurt, or how many resources we waste!

>>135946665
>>135946487
>>135945968
I do like less government too. But the problem is the liberal global free trade that purists push, remember to always counter them as they are jew puppets.

>>135947398
This.

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>>135944531
Or rather any other communist or socialist state.
Right? >>135938916

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>>135945978
>he got his ass beat by this
see how he recoils

>>135946363
WHAT
MUST
BE
DONE

>>135947956
Take a closer look at that snout

>>135946568
>public
nibba if one person owns it it's not exactly public

>>135948128
Honourary Aryan.

>>135948128
>>135948191
This. The only Jew ever to be an honorary Aryan.

>>135948168
A corporation is jointly owned, by definition.

>>135947398
That's a valid criticism.
Some cultures are so incompatible that they will refuse to trade - and that is a good thing.
Honestly, capitalism not only as a term, but also as a practice has been perverted by neos and globalists.

>>135948128
>Rothbard
>5'6"
>economist
honestly if you think we missed this detail, you're slow

>>135948409
Okay, but the owners in the absence of the state still have ownership over the service, with everything that entails.

>>135939397
yea its how jared taylor says white from memory

>>135946361
>Nice
Très bien, my commie friend

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>>135946361

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>>135944193
In a goverment with Allende on it, we needed someone and that someone was Pinochet, this man helped our country and now, we have one of the greatest economies in South America

>>135950411
This.

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Libertarian death squads check in

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>>135938916
You also posted this in /leftypol/, and I pointed out why it was retarded and you had a weird meltdown. Fuck off and die, communist.

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>>135944958
He's pretty awesome desu senpai

>>135950590
Reporting in. helicopter removal first squadron.

>>135940157
>Allende
If socialism means starving to death in 1972, sure, it worked

>>135939717
If this is true, then why is our country so great in terms of economy? Because let me remind you that before Pinochet, we were nothing but "another 3rd world country from south america", nothing else, really, also
>45% of the population below the poverty line
Not really, you see, what you call "poor", is actually what's left from Allende's regime, not Pinochet's.

Now, about that "Hated by the entire population"
If that's true
Then why did the 49% of the people voted that they wanted him to still be president in 1988?

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>>135939544
That's exactly what Hoppean libertarianism is all about

Commies break the NAP simply by existing, so they must be physically removed

>>135939717
Umm retard Pinochet improved his country dramatically

>>135946884
ok ill buy all the property surrounding your property and shoot you when you try to get out.

>>135939154
Reminder that ancapism is literally individualist-communism, a combination of the two worst ideologies in history.

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>>135946361
It was /leftypol/ tier and it was on 4chan.

>>135952161
Try it faggot, see what happens.

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>>135952511
>individualist-communism

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>>135938336
Is this the real /lrg/ anthem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNl0ThJ8uto

>>135952718
Exactly.

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>>135944590
You have a nigger supporting your views and it has popularity, you can't call your group "libertaryans"

>>135953004
You know there's nigger fascists too right?

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>>135952931

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>>135940157
>lists 13 failed socialist societies
What did he mean by this?

>>135939717
That pic literally lies, the wages increased.

>>135938916
See >>135950343

>>135944725
But this is the perfect leader for them. Ancaps are literally just fake Stalinists, controlling their tiny little segment of the state as if it were a great empire.

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Remember that the only reason why the Soviets were able to grow so rapidly is that they put a capitalist in charge!

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This is a pic of economic freedom per nation.

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>>135953778
This is a pic of the Human Development Index per nation

>>135953487
So you get that ancapism is just capitalism at the point of a sea of droolers. Why are you still promoting the idea? Ironic accelerationism?

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>>135953778
This is a pic of the GDP per capita per nation.

>>135941093
>Yes capitalism cannot survive without a state. Capitalism by definition requires a state to enforce private property rights. Ancaps are doing away with their only mode of protection. Biting the hand that feeds and all that.
Every heard of private security lmao - the idea is that you enforce your own property right amirite >>135941330 ?

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>>135953778
>>135953855
>>135953893
As you can see, the more economic freedom a nation has, the more economic prosperity it has.

>>135939544

As long as they don't use the state to redistribute/control they're the problem is once the state has enough power those fags can take over.

>>135953778
All shitholes ruled by feminists and ziocon psychos. We already have ancapism and it is the worst civilisation in history.

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>>135954073
This is your alternative.

>>135953882
I'm not AnCap and don't agree with it, but you're a fucking retard if you think there's such a thing as individualist communism

>>135954073
Go move to Syria

>>135954170
There is. It's a joke for ancaps to dismiss anarchism, but at the same time it is their very ideology.
Have you ever looked into what they suggest ancap society would look like. It is literally a conglomerate of Stalinist run towns, villages, and cities. They don't need a state because every man is a Stalinist for his own little segment and the local corporation keeps people in line.

>>135954152
A capitalist proxy? I'm not an ancap-globalist.

>>135953778
living in germany I always wondered about what measures they use to determine economic freedom for those statistics. How can anyone talk about economic freedom with an effective tax rate of over 50% if not more. Ignoring the retarded amount of regulation. Or is the world in fact a socialist hell bound on crushing all our hopes and dreams?

>>135953004
Non-argument.

>>135954362
Okay, because that is somehow connected to what was said...

>>135954476
That's neither individualistic or communism, christ you're retarded even for a leaf

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>>135938336
Anarchists whether they're Capitalist or not are fucking retarded. All forms of anarchy are retarded.

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>>135954593
There are a lot of little things other than tax that evade our eyes because we're not business owners. Regulations, tariffs, subsidies, state-owned businesses, etc.

>>135954589
You complain about free market capitalism yet all your other options are usually just as degenerate (if not worse) and far more poor.

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>>135954593
Not to mention corporate tax and capital gains tax vs. income tax. Sweden actually has a better corporate tax rate than the USA, for example, so their businesses suffer less although their personal incomes of the CEO's are affected.

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Reminder if you like Trump than your not a libertarian
Reminder if you want incredibly strict border control your a protectionist and just a puppet for racists with no care about individualism when it no longer suits you and dont understand how the government already block and limit skilled workers already especially in medical care and you are just off shoot of Rothbard redneck appeal gone awry

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>>135955631
>incredibly strict border control your a protectionist
That's not even what protectionism means.

>if you like Trump than your not a libertarian
Yeah, cause I'm sure Gary "bake the cake" Johnson would have decided to destroy 2 regulations for each one passed.

>>135956043
>le bake cake meme

Really that matters more than ending our mass military expansion, trampling of privacy reducing and ending the counter productive war on drugs, abolishing the minimum wage, ending the militarization of police, returning to a gold standard ending foreign intervention and not having extra traffic and causing trade wars, bringing down our mass prison population but all those matter less than that right

>>135955631
read nations by consent

>>135955083
sure, the taxation was just what bugs me the most. But generally Germany isn't going easy on regulation either. In fact it's so ridiculous they managed to bully uber out of the country. Actually you do not even have any right to your property unless you're using it in a social beneficial way. (Which finds it application in the fact that you're not allowed to own a house you're not using yourself nor renting out) I honestly can not imagine how anyone can call this country free in an economic sense unless you're comparing it to a soviet style economy.

>>135953944
The problem with having to enforce your own property rights is the moment your property is vacant its all free game. You would have to be there 24/7 or hire someone who would do that for you. You would also have to trust this person to not rob you blind, burn down your house, and then disappear. It also just doesn't make economic sense to hire a person to do this when you can just pay taxes instead.

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>>135952607
what are you gonna do? If you violate my nap i will kill you in self defense and if you try to get off your property i will kill you for trespassing

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>>135956627
>assuming Gary Johnson would have done any of that
He was an unprincipled idiot, he would have done nothing.

>>135955463
taxes are not all the same
https://youtu.be/Aaq2UXW0krA?t=8m45s

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>>135956673
I understand that argument but what if someone who is law abiding person no criminal background wants someone for them to be there
what about the right of individual entrepreneurship, business benefit from immigration more than they are hurt by it. And dont give me that welfare crap that cant have that for five years

also how do you give a moral argument about immigrants being degenerates and dont have/ want a work ethic when the guy who created this literally try to make moral arguments for "consensual rape" along with starving and having sex with kids
rothbard was just an edge lord and shit poster

>>135938336
Are PMCs the true ANCAP security choice?

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>>135940157
If your position is government/violence ruins your voluntary system, then consider us on the same team.

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>>135957276
Trump is the least with principled and honest peson you are lying if you think anything else and he did a job as governor reducing government size than with a surplus, but you want them dumb wall and pissing off leftists that means more to you than actual change

>>135957553
trump is the least principled and honest person excuse me

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>>135953893
nice colors

>>135955463
I get what you're saying, but the effects of taxation are manyfold and often hidden. I'm actually having a small app business with a friend. Our software primarily sells in the US. When things started going well, we of course thought about employing someone, so we can expand. Now, when you look at the direct tax rates, you think it's ok for most people and businesses, but since employers have to pay part of the social benefits their employee gets, (pension and such), the actual cost would have risen for us to a degree we would have expected for our personal income to shrink below what you get from unemployment benefits, while our employee of course would have actually made way more than the business owners. At the same time we would have been exposed to incredible risk, thanks to employee protection. You can imagine, that we did not hire anyone. But thing is, while these benefits are officially not declared a tax, it has the very same effect and is otherwise virtually undistinguishable from taxation - and created due to the imposed costs a regulatory effect that hindered business effectively. And I can not imagine, it's much different for most other start ups. (Though, of course we could have taken a loan, but that's another topic.)

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>>135958054
Maybe things are just even worse in the other nations. I mean, sure, Germany is no bastion of economic freedom, but it still is likely doing better than, say, Ukraine or Russia. I'm not saying things aren't bad in Germany, I'm just saying that the chart goes by nations relative to other nations, so perhaps things are just even worse in most other places.

>>135957524
that image triggers my autism.

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>>135957524
The only anarcho-capitalist in that picture is Rothbard

>>135958649
that's what I was being afraid of. I had this little glimpse of hope that whoever makes these charts just thought 'oh well, germany. They're doing so well. Of course they're economically free.' Anyway, thanks for confirming my worst nightmares.

>>135955631
Fuck off leftist libertarian cuck, see >>135950900

You are on the left side

>>135942092
>Like, what's there to prevent one guy to get rich, buy a bunch of land and then force the residents to sell and then declare it to be his own state and that he is king?
The only legitimate way to claim land is to
a) appropriate unappropriated land (i.e. mix your labor with it)
b) receive property as a gift
c) buy property
while b) and c) can be traced back to a). That means no one could say an unappropriated plot of land is his without having mixed his labor with it

>>135959116
he's not wrong, but he isn't pragmatic either.
His view point is very sound from a economic perspective and way more in line with libertarian thinking than you seem to be, but he ignores the effects of immigration to an already corrupted system. calling him a leftist, is downright ignorant. You on the other hand, with your conscious or unconscious favouring of protectionism, are much more a leftist.

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>>135955631
>Reminder if you want incredibly strict border control your a protectionist and just a puppet for racists
you must be from reddit

>>135944193
Because they are rebelling as hard as possible against mommy. None of their ideas have to be coherent, it just has to make them feel like a bad ass on facebook.

Admit it, how many of you are part of edgy /pol/-lite facebook groups?

>>135960428
>>135959116
not an argument Fakers

>>135960746
Go home, reddit

>>135962960
do pinochet now

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I just want to do whatever the fuck I want do I belong here

>>135963058
K

>>135938336
communism works and you are living in it.
china is the slave system that works for you. you are the jew a retarded one

>>135963148
you almost get the core concept. now if it involves other people you have to get them to voluntarily agree.

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>>135963058
How's this?

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>>135965740
Looks great

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Original Content :3
>>135965740
>>135963058

Sorry for posting the compressed version
>>135967285
I'll post the higher quality version tomorrow :3

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>>135938336

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>>135968200
weak

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I'm sorry, but there is only one Libertarian author whose work I read and it's the words of Robert A. Heinlein.

>>135969463
Read Hoppe and Rothbard you fag

>>135957524
> Hayek was basically Agnositc
> Bastiat was a Roman Catholic
> Locke & Smith weren't Jews
> Majority of Soviets were Jews
This kind of triggers me, Mises was a good fuckin lad. Hell the first ever proto-Libertarian was Lao Tzu so I couldn't give many shits if Friedman and Rothbard were. We have the greatest history of any ideology.

>>135967202

what a bunch of collectivist bullshit. whatever retarded and delusional commie posted this shit doesn't even understand libertarianism enough to understand that 'the conflict that arises from scarcity' gets resolved by the free market, which is also why the retarded nationalist viewpoint constantly fails when checked against the ideals of freedom.

whoever believes this might as well start a soviet republic. and fuck the bubble argumentation. that as well is utterly moronic, I can not even find a word to describe how retarded the notion is, that just because you have a neighbour you have to serve him. You already do by doing shit for yourself or selling him crap. Fucking invisible hand. Do you understand, commie?

Have you guys read Rothbard's The Betrayal of the American Right & Tucker's pre-history articles of the alt-right?

Crazy shit, bit of a conspiracy developing too.

>>135970690
moron.

>>135969463
ever read machinery of freedom?

>>135971118
No, but I've read The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Heinlein that depicts a Lunar penal colony obtaining its freedom and independence with the help of a self-aware and intelligent supercomputer and establishing an anarcho-capitalist society (although Heinlein's characters refer to it as "rational anarchism").

It has some great quotes such as, "There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." and "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free, because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything that I do." and "What I fear most are affirmative actions of sober and well-intentioned men, granting to government powers to do something that appears to need doing."

>>135972440
So not too into the non-fiction then?

>>135972440
the moon is a harsh mistress actually inspired david friedman to write the machinery of freedom. that's why I asked.

the quotes by are great, but otherwise I have to admit that the depiction of the relationship of men and women were a little alien to me. but I only read a few pages.

>there's people who haven't what "what has the govenrment done to our monies" by rothbard
So much good information in that thing

>>135970862

why should we care about jews anyway? their faith doesn't change the argument, and in the off chance that indeed they are controlling the world, look at the last century, and tell me they aren't great fucking leaders. I doubt we'd eradicated hunger and disease to this degree with your run of the mill racist socialists in power, who usually keep rambling about the zionist thread.

>>135938336
finally a libertarian thread to read...what happened to this place these use to be daily.

>>135973319

you can find a lot of rothbards work as audiobook or in written form on mises.org

miss org / library / murray-n-rothbard-audiobooks

>>135973437
Exactly, I don't know why people care so much when so many top Libertarians/Classical Liberals aren't Jews anyway and we have such a rich history. It's such a non-argument useless complaint confined solely to this place as if the Fasci & NatSoc writers weren't massive fucking grubs in comparison.

>>135973552
A lot of the mature guys from 2012 moved on after the Minarchist/Anarchist debates now it looks like a bunch of Trump newfags have flooded the place.

>>135942929

One word. Yugo.

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>>135940363
>>135940421
kek, I came here to post these.
This thread dies now.

>>135945978

Then why did the USSR suck technological advancement like a parasite from the West? Name one invention originated in the Eastern Bloc that the West Adopted. One.

>>135940363
> Our enemies will use freedom against us
> They totally won't use the state guys
>>135976790
> don't care about morals
> don't care about comminity
Lol bullshit, every libertarian has subjective morals & ideas about community within their Libertarian framework. Freedom & liberty is a framework, just because the framework doesn't dictate personal values & subjectivity doesn't mean you can't have your subjective values.

> muh property doesn't care about the greater good!
Mate you can only have a successful prosperous society long term when property is respected, it is foundational, it is an extention of the very actions of life.

Ahh the rest is a bad joke. White folk, jewish cancer, strong government blah blah fuckin buzzwords. Your obsession with having a master is laughable.