This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism. These includes (but is not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, objectivism and anti-leftism (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us.
Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.
Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
THREAD RESOURCES:
>Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/iT0Rw8PT
>Website: libertarianright.org
>Discord & Book Club: /jCVRCR3
REQUIRED READING:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o (Watch this!)
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf
FURTHER READING:
>Reference - See https://i.imgur.com/wCIpgNA.jpg
>Torrent - magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8d8ec6ef882dee291f119eb69994797574e5d616&dn=Anarcho-Capitalism%20Books
THREAD THEME:
>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLaqr3QorCw
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Drop it like it's Hoppe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPKGgo4kGQM
>people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.
Fuck off with your conservashit and stormfront appeasements.
>>135907411
but anon, we are conservatives
>>135906976
real wet nigga hours
who the fucc up
smash that fuccin red menace
>>135907411
good evening to everyone except this faggot
>>135907411
>implying physical removal isn't necessary
Remove thine flag this instant.
>>135907411
Oh fuck off, having standards and not being a degenerate faggot doesn't make us Nazis. All Reddit AnCaps must be removed.
Bring out the flying Austrian death machine!
>>135907411
>implying traditional values didn't go away because the government forced them to at gunpoint
>>135908004
>>135908204
>>135908804
>>135908939
>We're Libertarians.
>We believe in negative liberty principles and voluntary interaction.
>EXCEPT IF YOU DON'T VALUE CONSERVATIVE VALUES OR LIKE ANYTHING PSEUDO-LIBERTARIAN(TM) APPROVED RACES OR MIXES OF THESE.
Wew.
>>135909237
This. Thank you Christ Chan.
>>135906976
what is the ideal age of consent for ancaps?
>>135909335
This is a strawman argument.
>>135906976
in the words of ghandi "be the change you want to see, faggot."
>>135909419
It literally isn't. If you believe throwing people off a fucking helicopter is compatible with being in the Libertarian right, you're a fucking moron, on par with thinking Islam is compatible with the west.
You're not libertarian, just conservative flirting with parts of what you like from Libertarianism.
>>135909335
We all voluntarily agree to not associate with and ostrasize left cuckbertatians.
>>135909818
Still a strawman. Physical removal is voluntary ostracisation, which you would know if you had read our literature instead of screeching about those evil paleos and conservatives
>>135909818
It's compatible when leftists attempt to seize my means of production.
>>135909340
One thing that pisses me off more than anything is this:
>liberal argues for gay marriage
>points out that the government used to not be involved at all in marriage
>uses this to somehow argue that the government should get even more involved in marriage
>doesn't see the irony in that before the government got involved in marriage, there were no gay marriages
>>135910000
The only instance where "physically removing" someone is okay, is if they violate your own negative liberty. Having progressive or post-modern ideological differences from you does not make it fucking voluntary to remove them from existence.
>>135910066
Yes.
>>135910066
im coming 4 those MEANS
>>135910313
You don't understand what physical removal is.
>>135910313
No you can physically remove someone from your property just because you don't like their face.
>>135910140
Fags should be responsible for creating their own fag marriage institution if anything at all.
>>135910457
Not if I physically remove you first.
>>135906976
Natsoc - libertarian alliance when?
>>135910728
Yes, because it's your property.
>>135910617
Enlighten me then, enlightened one.
>>135911109
NatSoc really want their gibsmedat tho. As long as I don't have to pay I'll have a non aggression pact with you.
>>135909343
Whatever the general populace will tolerate without being driven to boycotts, prejudice, and dissociation.
>>135911109
I can see it working. Here's the thing, Anarcho-capitalism works best within micro-states, where the ancaps around the world can migrate to and won't have to kill the majority of people who disagree with their system and would try to form a government.
IF the NatSoc governments agreed to leave these Ancap micro-states alone, then there would be no problems. If they tried to blockade, invade, or subvert them, then there's going to be problems.
>>135911175
It's not about 'throwing people I don't like out helicopter's. Physical removal is the ostracization of undesired individuals from your property. In a private covenant, people set certain standards of association as a group. 'Physical removal' is nothing more than, say, a block of people putting up signs saying 'no blacks on my property', which of course they have every right to do.
>>135911893
Yes that makes a lot more sense. I don't subscribe to this Hoppean bullshit, so excuse me if I'm not in on the context of the lingo, especially when 99% of it is exactly about throwing people out of Helicopters.
>>135906976
Finally I've encountered another person who thinks that discrimination is right and fair and good
>>135912143
Even if you don't agree with Hoppe's conservative social views, he's still a great libertarian thinker. Dismissing all of his works would be silly.
>>135912143
>I don't subscribe to this Hoppean bullshit, so excuse me if I'm not in on the context of the lingo, especially when 99% of it is exactly about throwing people out of Helicopters.
Gosh anon, you should stop listening to whatever memer podcast it is that you listen to and just read Hoppe's book.
>>135912202
It's your choice to dissociate with undesirables
>>135912294
To my previous, he was a man that advocated Pinochet-esque means of societal control, so I had written him off as a conservative.
Glad to be wiser.
>>135912539
I don't listen to podcasts, and I actually don't derive my libertarianism from other libertarians.
>>135912772
What the fuck the word conservative mean to you? Hoppe is a conservative.
>>135913419
Let me put it this way: it doesn't mean Libertarian to me. Conservatism is not necessarily out to minimize government or its violations of its citizens negative liberties. It's concerned with conservation of the traditional and reactionary responses to change that poses a threat to these values.
As you may guess, I'm not well-versed in Hoppe, but you can be Libertarian and still hold conservative views on the family unit and gender roles, for example. I suppose now that this is where he resides.
>>135914450
You can conserve your traditional values without the state you know. This is the concept of physical removal. You create a community based on a set of values, and anyone who goes against these values or advocates something to the contrary gets forcibly excluded from the community.
>>135914973
>You can conserve your traditional values without the state you know.
Which I what I meant with "you can be Libertarian and still hold conservative views on the family unit and gender roles, for example". I'm completely in on the idea of communities that impose strict specific values, and would probably just stay out such communities.
>>135915699
Alright, cool. Understand we are not pandering to Nazis, these are our legitimate views.
>>135911109
this can work, we just want city states, that will inevitably turn into financial powerhouses, and you want the other land that your people can live on. for an ancap society we would space for people to homestead and get away from the centers. we could work something out nicely, after all, space is big
get your hoppepill here!
>>135917896
someone should add race realism to the right side as well
>>135919972
No problem, nigger.
>>135920124
cool, post your edit
bump for the edit
>come home from a 15 hour shift at hypermart
>notice some of the local techno-tribes are causing some havoc
>turn on automatic turrets and decide to patrol my house for a little with my AR15 fully modded
>see old mrs jennings from down the mud path walking her dog
>she's limping because she's super old
>wave to her
>"Hey mrs jennings how are you?"
>"oh im good anon, just taking a late night stroll"
>tell her to watch out for the bandits
>she nods and waves
>keep my eye on her because she's getting too close
>she suddenly stumbles, trips on a pot hole, and lands on my property
>we lock eyes
>she reaches for her colt 45 magnum
>I unload an entire magazine into her
>loot her body and continue patrol
>>135924893
bretty gud
>>135917896
this
>>135917896
Ancaps don't support borders
>>135909343
>>135906976
Anxiously awaiting the day of the helicopter bros
>>135924893
kek