Why didn't they just move the maginot line up north?

Frenchies are retarded.

>>135902520
you idoits could have just steamrolled through that line in 1914 and never brought the Anglos in the fight

but WE WUZ DA MASTA RACE, DON LISEN TA NO ONE so...

They didn't want to offend Belgium. France did start working on an extension but far too late.

>>135902626
fpbp

>>135902520
Belgium was expected to hold its own.

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>>135903171
Against who? The German Empire?

>>135903197
austria was part of the Reich

>>135902520
Maybe they didn't expect the Germans to invade Belgium?

>>135902520

>building a defensive line as a wedge

it's like they wanted to get encircled

>>135903015
Yep. And it cost a fucking fortune. Still the French Army was bigger than the German army and should have won, but it was poorly led and organized for WWI battles.

Also their PTSD made them just want to get the whole thing over with. They literally could have walked to Berlin in Sept 39.

>>135903197
>>135903273
Yeah, so what?
If the wall had been built up north, Nazis would have gone south. The only way to prevent this would have been to build a wall on the whole eastern border with every country, which would have been impossible, not enough time nor money.

One could argue that a better idea would have been not to build a wall at all, and redirect the money to much needed sectors of the military : tanks, planes, artillery, etc. But that's how it went.

>>135903436
This, it was a neutral country.
And didn't expect tank getting through thr ardenne neither.

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>>135902520
>>135903197
>Oh no Pierre! I am le scared. What if les Allemands go around le Maginot line through La Belgique?
>Not to worry Francois. They will never be able to get their tanks through le Ardennes. The trees are just too thick!
>Oui Oui Pierre. Stupid Allemands will get stuck in le forest hon hon hon hon

Why didn't Germany extend the line after annexing France and use it to fend off an Allied landing?

>>135903904
>annexing france

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>>135903884
Kek. Underestimating rommel and the logistical speed of blitzkrieg really fucked the french.

>>135903884
the French had a defensive position in the Ardennes tho! 1 little bunker with 6 guys defending it (basically a glorified border check post) all of the sudden stood eye to eye with Guderian and his army in the Ardennes. Needless to say they all died...

>>135903904
Guns faced the wrong way

>>135903273

1) They did it before.

2) Belgium thought they could avoid it by staying neutral

>>135903436

Uh...no, they definitely expected that to happen, considering that Germany had done it before and it was the only possible way to get at the French.

Belgium was retarded and didn't want to fight. That's all that really happened here. If the wafflefags had just sacked up maybe France wouldn't have fallen.

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>>135904614
But le treeeeeees

It is proven that there is no way to move treaded vehicles through thick forested areas. Simply impossible. The Ardennes is perfectly safe monsieur

>>135902520
It wouldn't have mattered honestly. The Germans were extremely motivated and bloodthirsty for revenge while the French just didn't want a fight. There was no stopping them.

>>135903884
>They will never be able to get their tanks through le Ardennes. The trees are just too thick!

Dumb myth.

The real obstacle in the Ardennes were the hills and the lack of roads. It's no trouble at all to drive a couple tanks through a forest - but Germany had several thousand, along with everything else an army requires. Getting all of that shit through a big-ass hilly forest with no good roads and keeping up your supply lines for weeks, months (or even years...) was basically unthinkable and very very dangerous. Germans did it anyway. It happened to work.

The French weren't stupid, the Germans were just willing to gamble and you just need to read a book.

>>135902520
Well I assume they underestimated the ability of semi motorized troops with air support to manouver. Also I belive the french and british lacked radios so they couldnt be ordered to move in response to german attacks.

Just a guess. I have never looked into their subject deeply.

>>135903197
>Le Germans just went around the line meme
Yes, the French assumed they would. The Maginot line allowed the French to staff the Franco-German border with fewer soldiers while still being able to hold it against a potential attack, where the French messed up was assuming that the main German thrust would come through Flanders instead of through the Ardannes. However even that didn't doom the French, the Germans didn't win because they were tactical geniuses, they won because the French fucked up in the absolute perfect way.

>French leave Ardannes lightly defended
>Refuse to support small scale counter-attacks that would halt the German offensive
>French supreme commander plans an all out counter-attack that would likely shatter the German offensive
>He is sacked before it can be launched
>His replacement decides to not launched the attack while he assesses the situation
>By the time he realizes that attacking was the best option it was too late

The German invasion plan was a hail mary that only worked because the French politicians and senior commanders were so incompetent that they practically helped the Germans win.

Well if Hitler didn't decide to fucking march against Russia instead of just doing nothing you faggots would all speak German now. That's just not how history went. The Germans thought invading the Normandy would be extremely retarded and going against every typical behaviour of American military. If the war ended a few weeks later the Americans would've bombed Braunschweig (IIRC) and the Germans would've retaliated with their own atomic bomb and we'd be all living in some sort of Fallout game.

>>135905176
>French supreme commander plans an all out counter-attack that would likely shatter the German offensive
>He is sacked before it can be launched

Sauce?

You do know the Belgians had their fortifications, among the most modern and heavily fortfied in the world, and that the Germans simply landed gliders on top of them and knocked them out with a few paratroopers

>>135905110
>Also I belive the french and british lacked radios so they couldnt be ordered to move in response to german attacks.

No, they had plenty of radios/telegraphs/messengers. Getting info through was not an issue. The real problem was that they lacked transportation, and these particular armies were largely defense-oriented...meaning that you marched them to a particular place, they dug in, and waited for the enemy to come to them. They didn't have enough trucks and tanks to move around the battlefield quickly and deliver pain.

You have to remember that at this point in history, the idea that you drove a hundred miles and attacked an enemy with tanks and motorized troops was a totally new concept that nobody had ever tried to do in a real war. The way the Germans fought that war was totally different from how the Allies had expected to fight it.

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>>135902626
As a half-frenchie...Yes.

>>135902520
Long story:

The plan was to hold the French right flank through the Maginot line and the left flank through a combination of French/British/Dutch army and natural obstacles such as the Ardennes forrest.

Also, the French high command was still very much in "ww1 mode" while German generals were advocating modern mechanized warfare. The French thought that they could just dug in on their left flank and that their artillery would stop the German advance.

They were wrong. Even the French high command realized after the Polish campaign that they were wrong. But during the Norwegian campaign in early 1940, the French and British saw that Germany's military had massive problems in coordination and equipment. As a result, Germany was underestimated.

Lastly, the French and the British still thought Germany was just kidding and that there would be diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis. The phoney war made them complacent.

tldr: nobody thought the maginot line was required to extend to the North, also for political reasons.

>>135905357
You're exaggerating the ability of the Germans to build an atomic bomb that quickly. Memes aside, the heavy water from the Norsk Hydro plant in Rjukan could have been used to make an "atomkraftmaschine", sometime in 47 perhaps.

>>135903694
>>135904778

Belgium has never been able to stop the Germans, and wasn't neutral in WW1 either.

The French did send support to the Netherlands and Belgium. Belgium didn't even do a poor job, but of course it was no match for Germany. They could have known and they probably knew.

In the Netherlands, well, the French called the Dutch army a glorified boy scout troop in reports made years before the war, and even with the help of French troops in the south, they didn't stand any serious chance.

>>135905569
No I specifically remember watching something that claimed that the french relied on telephone lines over radios since they thought they could do this with their defensive plans.

The germans managed to cut the lines and the french were lest without orders.

>>135905458
Yeah that's what teachers tought us in HS.
Mind you, that world war was won mainly through technology and ruthlessness. The Germans landed in Belgium and marched through it without any resistances, partly also because their ideology had enough followers in the rest of Europe.

>>135902520
Because they thought the forests there were enough

>>135902520
Takes time and money, and they didn't think it'd be necessary. Besides, the Belgians had a strong border defense too, and could count on British support, so it's not like the northern flank was weak.

>>135905458

Not in WW1 they didn't you spongo mongo

1.belguim was neutral
2.the french did not think it was possible to move such a large army trough the ardennes.
3.belguim had a line of strategic bunkers that where supposed to stop the german advance.

We all know how that ended, but belguim still held out langer then the dutch.

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>>135905663
Ironically the Germans were behind because most scientists on that projects were ex-German jews.

>>135902520
The plan was
-Maginot line at the german border
-Troops at the flemish border
-Nothing in front of the Ardennes Mountains

We didn't think your tanks could go through the Ardennes.

>>135905357
>if hitler didnt decide to fucking march against russia
Nazism is diametrically opposed to communism. Communism was the common enemy around which the German people rallied. An assault on the USSR was inevitable.

Not to mention by the time war was declared Stalin was massing troops on his western border. Had Hitler moved all his focus west Stalin would have certainly invaded Western Poland and Czechoslovakia just like they did with Finland.

>>135905663
>You're exaggerating the ability of the Germans to build an atomic bomb that quickly. Memes aside, the heavy water from the Norsk Hydro plant in Rjukan could have been used to make an "atomkraftmaschine", sometime in 47 perhaps.

Wrong. The atomic bomb was never a real priority within Nazi Germany. Building an atomic bomb is foremost an engineering challenge. You need to mine enough uranium, build enough centrifuges, and get a working reactor that makes plutonium (or rely on the centrifuged uranium). 97% of the Manhattan project was dedicated to centrifuges and the first two large scale nuclear power plants breeding plutonium.

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>>135902520
What the fuck? Anyone else remember learning in school that the third Reich went south and through the forests of Switzerland instead of north?

>>135905610
Show some respect to your king Swede fag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bernadotte

>>135904938
Jean-Louis you are so smart! It's clear to all that you can barely walk in les Ardennes.

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>>135902520
They didn't count on the blitzkrieg and thought it would be like in WW1

>>135906017
I can officially say it
>American education

>>135906017
No. They've always gone through Belgium.

>>135905458
>and that the Germans simply landed gliders on top of them and knocked them out with a few paratroopers

"simply"...?

It was the very first time anyone had ever done anything like it. Nobody had any idea how to guard against an airborne assault...or even how to conduct one. The fact that it worked is partly a miracle. Other German airborne assaults were not as successful.

It was also only one fort. You're implying the entire Belgian defense line was annihilated by paratroopers, when it reality it was just Eben Emael.

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If you limey faggots would have just gotten out of the way and let this bloodthirsty warrior do his fucking job. We would have taken Berlin way earlier and stopped the commies from stealing half of Europe.

Pussies can't handle a few rockets.

>>135905678

Uh yeah, units are occasionally cut off from communication in all wars. But the real reason the Allies didn't move around in this particular phase of this particular war was because of the reasons I stated.

>>135902726
Do you think anglos would not jew in the war , even if Belgium was not touched ? Legit quesh .

>>135906277
Unironcally this

Patton was unhinged certainly but he knew the commie menace better than those effete armchair generals and politicians

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>>135904333
>Underestimating rommel
>Rommel

So remind me again why we allied eith ussr, who is worse than nazi Germany in every way?

Remind me again why Pattons demands that we neuter/kill/confiscate the remaining soviets left in germany was ignored?

>>135906396
Doubt that Britain would have stayed neutral for long in any scenario. Not with Churchill in power at least.

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>>135906277
>Implying (((President Truman))) and (((General Eisenhower))) would have allowed him to take out the Soviets.

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>>135903884

>>135906794
Jews

>>135906277
>Americans are the ones that agreed to Yalta
>Americans blocked the Danube thrust
>Americans fucked up at Market Garden
The only people that let Uncle Joe stealing half of Europe was Americans.

Remind me again why we allied with the ussr who was worse than Germany in every way.

Also remind me why Pattons demamds to get the remaining soviets in Germany were ignored?

And then remind me why Jews call it the "good war"

>>135906802

Churchill was installed as PM after Britain entered the war.

>>135906810
Shame. Patton was definitely redpilled during the course of the war but by that time he was in too deep.

>>135906810
and then they killed him because he wanted to kick the soviets back in their own country and then some.
Holly fuck, how much suffering he would have stopped for all those in the soviet occupied country's.
The men who gave the order to kill him would probably have been banging their heads against the wall win the cold war started picking up steam.

>>135906335
No you are wrong. I can tell because of your american flag.

>>135906277
Except we would wipe the floor with you, amerifat and chase you around the ocean. Not because soviet > america, but you can not handle loses well. You were pussies.

>>135902520
Belgium said no.

>>135907037
>Remind me again why we allied with the ussr who was worse than Germany in every way.

Germany declared war on the US.

>>135907321
You're also forgetting the economy that was built up with the sole purpose of crushing Germany.

>>135906993
Patton had nothing to do with any of those. He consistently criticized the alliance with Russia, going so far as to entirely omit Russian involvement from his victory speeches. He knew Market Garden was going to be a disaster, he was basically shafted due to his unsoldierly attitude and his poor political acumen.

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>>135907321

>can not handle losses well
>literally just finished assaulting pic related for 4 years straight

are you fucking retarded?

>>135902520
Read up on the wiki for "Fall Rot" you faggot.
This is /pol/ not your history for retards class.

>>135906396
It all depend son how defense Germany would be on the Western Front

in all actuality they should have played defense in the west and offense in the East, this would make all western countries look like the invaders while dumb slaves would have still got their asses kicked, but the Kaiser refused to listen to his generals...

>>135907245

OK?

That's rich coming from a country which were overt nazi sympathizers throughout the war, but the Irish have never been able to think any further than "uhhhh anglos are bad I guess" so I suppose in your autism is simply genetic.

Abandon your idiotic tribalism and read a book. Or has that technology not reached your benighted, potato-soaked shores?

Also you're a cunt.

>>135902520
Because it was already expensive as shit to keep up and they feared pissing off Belgium by making it seem they were leaving them to face Germany alone.

>>135907441
>He knew Market Garden was going to be a disaster
Market Garden would have had at least a pyrrhic victory if the 82nd didn't sit on a hill the entire operation.

>>135907321
Hahaha good one

Remember when we had these and you didnt?

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>>135907704
Forgot pic

>>135902520
Maginot line
More like faginot line

Why didn't they just invested in offensive weapons?
And why did they stop when they started invading Germany in sept 39? the western front wasn't even defended

>>135908005
>And why did they stop when they started invading Germany in sept 39?
Because they were French.

>>135908101
bitch please, you're ancestors ran away to their island like fucking cowards. The only thing that prevented the invasion of British mainland was the channel.

>>135908246
And your ancestors ran away to own island too.

>>135908005
>Why didn't they just invested in offensive weapons?

The list of reasons for this is very long and complicated, but it basically boils down to the fact that after WW1 the French were not excited about the idea of fighting a new war.

>And why did they stop when they started invading Germany in sept 39? the western front wasn't even defended

Pretty much everybody outside of Germany expected that the war would end in 1940 or 41 with Poland occupied and some sort of peace settlement reached. Nobody seriously believed that it would kick off as hard and as crazy as it did. You have to recall that all sides sat around for like a year doing practically nothing. It was not seen as a serious conflict at that stage.

>>135907771
I doubt you even had nukes in 1945 after wasting existing 3 already. And even if you had 3 more, it's not like Red army just sits in 1 place like a town. It's spread. Early nukes are overrated.
>>135907457
Now imagine loses if japs had equal amount of troops and not 5 times.

>>135903646
The south? The Alps? Are you retarded?

>>135905993
>Nazism is diametrically opposed to communism.
100% incorrect, but the left can't have people realizing that the nazis AND the commies were the left

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>>135903884
HA HA H AH HA HA HA HON HON A PIERRE PLS NO. GOOD NIGHT MY SIDES ;D

>>135902520
Who cares, German army of 4 million was defeated by allied armies of 30 million, we will work on a new army.

>>135908538
>I doubt you even had nukes in 1945 after wasting existing 3 already.

IIRC we had about 9

>And even if you had 3 more, it's not like Red army just sits in 1 place like a town. It's spread. Early nukes are overrated.

This is an accurate statement.

On top of their low number, the delivery method for nukes was also a problem - you could only deliver them via dropping them from a bomber, which were very vulnerable in many ways. Nukes didn't really become world-shattering weapons until the invention of the ICBM, which allowed you to keep a ready supply waiting to go inside protected shelters on the other side of the world, rather than being perilously trucked there by soft-skinned airplanes that could only fly so far and so fast.

>>135903646
>If the wall had been built up north, Nazis would have gone south.

Through Switzerland and Italy?

Have you looked at these places on a map?

>>135908538
No but Moscow sits in the same place

Also we had dozens of nukes by the time you got your first. See pic.

>>135908442
It's even worse than that. A significant part of the population was either communist (ie wouldn't do shit because of Stalin's order not to fight) or shitless scared of commies to the point of liking Hitler's views.

With some more national unity, the french parliament wouldn't have appointed Phillipe Pétain to surrender the country, and would have moved the remaining french forces to north Africa to keep up the fight.

>>135902520
Because the point was to draw a German attack into the teeth of the French/Belgium/British army and annihilate it. You have to keep in mind that the German army was pretty shit at this point that had just grand theft auto'd the Czech's tanks to buff up their own armored divisions and beat a bunch of farmers with rifles and horses in Poland.

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>>135909270
Fuck me

>>135909270

Wow are you seriously trying to argue that the US could defeat the USSR in a nuclear war in the late 40's?

You realize this happened like 70 years ago right? The question has already been settled. Try reading a book about this subject, there's at least a couple out there.

>>135909338

Yes, that's a very good set of points. I agree with you.

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>>135908538
>Implying they would've used the nukes as tactical nukes and not to level your largest cities

>>135908916
Our peoples army will be much greater than the Germans army of 1939.

>>135908947
Even in the case of an atomic bomb strike (which would occur not in russia but in the frontline because, planes have limited range and are vulnerable in ennemy territory), the allies would have had a tremendous supply chain issue to fight the commies.

How do you get enough manpower and heavy weapons to Europe to fight millions of experienced russians through the Atlantic while the russians can use rail transportation?

They wouldn't have lasted long in this scenario.

>>135909523

I have no idea what the population of Russia was in the late 40's (and neither did anyone else, since Russia did not conduct a post-WW2 census until 1959) but today Russia has over 300 cities with a population of at least 50,000, and 37 of these are over half a million. The population difference between the 1959 census and 1991 (when the USSR dissolved) is around 90 million people. So you can kind of walk the cat back a little and guess at how many big cities they had in the late 40's - something on the order of a hundred.

You're going to nuke a hundred cities in the late 40's? With what exactly? Your bombers, which can easily be shot down? People forget that the only reason we managed to do as much bombing as we did in WW2 is because the Axis air forces had been disintegrated over several years by the American, British, and Russian air forces. We had no-one to stop us. The Russians had one of the largest air forces in the world at the time, possibly the largest IIRC.

And what are you going to do about the thousands of military installations like airbases, radar stations, forts, etc? You're just going to nuke a bunch of cities while leaving Russia's ability to fight completely intact? Lol

>>135907673
Wow that was far too easy. You a nigger or something?

>>135910273

Indeed - I made that exact point in a thread the other day, and now I don't have to make it in this one too. Thank you for bringing some sanity to this discussion.

>>135910349

Wow Ireland, learn how to handle the bantz.

I guess you really do suffer from a low IQ.

>>135909390
>Wow are you seriously trying to argue that the US could defeat the USSR in a nuclear war in the late 40's?

Yes i am. We had 292 confirmed bombs in 1950 as the soviets were still testing their first few. Even if the delivery method was shoddy its a numbers game.

>>135910601

You realize this happened like 70 years ago right? The question has already been settled. Try reading a book about this subject, there's at least a couple out there.

>>135910294
Haha, the americans can starve 2/10 of the SU by just destroying the Trans-Siberian railway. Nothing stops them from raiding Petersburg and Moscow from Norway too... Get a couple of nukes in on these raids and the Leningrad siege will look like a dream

>>135910470
Well next time just tell them to look up operation unthinkable on wikipedia. No wonder why the allies didn't do it and fired Patton instead.
Nukes were just for show in 1945.

Speaking about nukes and maginot line, did you know what was the plan of the french army in the case of a conflict between NATO and the soviet union?
Nuke western germany to build a radioactive wasteland between France and the USSR.

>>135910961
>the americans can starve 2/10 of the SU by just destroying the Trans-Siberian railway.

?

With what magic technology were they supposed to accomplish this?

>>135911136
>Speaking about nukes and maginot line, did you know what was the plan of the french army in the case of a conflict between NATO and the soviet union?
>Nuke western germany to build a radioactive wasteland between France and the USSR.

Yes, and I believe at one stage they were planning to use mines to achieve this.

In the end they scrapped it because, you know, it's really hard to get Germans to agree to nuke themselves. Probably a lot easier to convince them to do that nowadays though...

>>135910713
>read a book
Great argument

French economy was shit when Hitler took power, and remained shit for a a while. Extending the Maginot line would only cripple the French economy more.

>>135911152
Strategic bombers you thick cunt. Example : The Flying Fortress
>They also desired, but did not require, a range of 2,000 mi (3,200 km) and a speed of 250 mph (400 km/h).

>>135909338
When Blum took power he literally said and I quote “I will dismantle the French army”.

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>>135902520
>Why didn't they just move the maginot line up north?
1.) you don't wall off your allies
2.) The Maginot Line was to link up to Belgian fortifications
3.) The water table is too high to build massive fortifications

>>135903884
You know that those tanks are french ?

Probably not "le american education" as retards say

>>135905370
>Weygand arrived on 17 May and started by cancelling the flank counter-offensive ordered by Gamelin, to cut off the enemy armoured columns which had punched through the French front at the Ardennes. Thus he lost two crucial days before finally adopting the solution, however obvious, of his predecessor. But it was by then a failed manoeuvre, because during the 48 lost hours, the German infantry had caught up behind their tanks in the breakthrough and had consolidated their gains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxime_Weygand#Weygand_in_World_War_II

While the counter-attack may not have been decisive had it been launched Weygand's hesitation illustrated the common issue with the French army at the time. The French and British militaries were better equipped than their German counterparts and their tanks were far superior to German tanks with Matildas and Char B1s being immune to all German tank and anti-tank guns requiring heavy artillery or anti-aircraft guns to actually be defeated hence the case of a French tank destroying 13 German tanks in a single skirmish.

The reason the French and British lost was because they never really adopted mission tactics to the same extent of the Germans and lacked the aggression needed for modern warfare. French and British (particularly French) leadership was very top down and worries about losses were a prime reason for a lack of offensive action.

>>135902520

Because Belgium.

>>135911305

It isn't possible to argue with someone who doesn't know anything. I'm suggesting that you educate yourself so that we can have a proper discussion.

Telling me that you just happen to have a feeling that the US could have successfully waged genocidal nuclear war in the late 40's against the USSR - and that it would have been a good idea to do so - betrays the fact that you are an ignorant teenager, not a serious participant to this discussion.

>>135908706
>airplanes

>>135911278
If I remember correctly the nuclear mines was an English plan (probably plagiarized from Stanley Kubrick).

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>>135906104
The same man who said that retarded quote also couldn't take this fixed fortification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Driant

>>135902520
Frogs were morons with old generals still with WWI tactics they never had a chance
Plus it had some internal commie conflicts
Just frogs being frogs since naüoleon absolute loooooser

>>135903904
The line was faced to germany you tard this would only give future enemy a bonus

>>135906396
The ultimate redpill is knowing that the anglos just anglo'd. They didn't jew anybody. The anglo acts like the jew, themselves.

>>135911345

Those worked great (great insofar as they weren't all shot down - the actual bombings had very little effect on anything) against the depleted Luftwaffe (largely depleted by the Russians, FYI) in 43 - 45 but would have had no success at all against the massive Soviet air forces.

You also seem to be very confused about what it would take to destroy a rail system, namely, the elimination of thousands of individual point targets such as rail stations, the rail lines themselves, bridges, train factories, coal dumps, etc...which was simply not possible to do in that era. Reliable precision weapons did not exist until the 70's.

Observe the rate of success for the US air force nearly 30 years after the era we're discussing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanh_H%C3%B3a_Bridge

US attacks one bridge hundreds of times, either misses or the damage is quickly repaired. Finally finished off with an early laser-guided bomb.

But sure I guess the US could just fly a couple B17's over to Russia and magically stop the trains. Whatever you say boss.

>>135906690
What is up with Churchill's smile on this picture?

>>135911858

Says the country that lost two world wars and his currently getting raped by refugees...

>>135902520
F acne couldn't afford more fortifications and Belgium was supposed to be competent. Belgium always fucks up.

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France never got its schools capable to train good war leaders.

Quand t'es formé à Saint Syr, t'es formé à être une bonne grosse merde.

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>>135911817
Goddamn those tanks are ugly

>>135912393
>fly a couple of B17s

with their escort that has infinite fuel of course. Range only applies to bombers. And anyway jut to be sure, press enter and type "how do you turn this on" and win.

>>135903904

They had the Siegfried line and the Allies would just go through the Benelux anyway. It's just not worth the time, money and manpower to rework the Maginot line so it faces the right side and then extend it along the Rhineland.

>>135912542
Dude.... are you even aware of the state of you coubtry right now? Shit you're 20% sub saharan nigger and many % middle east shitskins

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>>135912562
>implying the flemish ever fuck up

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>>135906017
I learned they killed 6 million Jews, but that's not true either.

>>135912774

I am genuinely surprised he didn't say B-29 instead of B-17, the bomber that we would actually have attempted to use if we were stupid enough to start that war. Apparently he doesn't even know what bomber we had at the time. Doesn't paint a very convincing image of his knowledge base here.

>>135903646

Belgium was supposed to extend the Rhineland along its own border with Germany. They didn't because yeah too expensive but also because they reverted back to neutrality after Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland and we did fuck all about it.

>>135905106

Well it's been a while but I think the French did intercept the German plans to cut through the Ardennes and were told there were indeed usable dirt roads in the Ardennes but ignored both because muh battle in Belgium.

>>135905993

>>135908711
50% wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyap18wxEAg

Well, to be fair, national socialism was too young and had yet to develop a sturdy economical platform and how their economic system would look like in a post-war third reich was unknown for even high ranking members of the party. However their political tactics was pretty much 100% based on the leftists just like
the Fascists who got lots of inspiration from Georges Sorel and syndicalist ideas, but the latter were still very positive towards capitalism.

The national socialists were both progressive and conservative ("reactionary") at the same time, trying to radically change society by bringing back old values. This is the polar opposite of communism that wanted to erase all old values and instill completely new ones.

National socialists were also not opposed to a class system nor gender roles, but laid a lot of emphasis on racial quality, thus "dividing" the population even more, while communists wanted to make everyone equally worthless.

>>135912963
>Stalin opresses jews after ww2 and forbids Holohoax myth
>USSR collapses
>leard about holocaust meme
>wew so many jews still live jews are like cockroaches
>..........
>Putin criminalizes holohoax denial

>>135907321
>Except we would wipe the floor with you, amerifat and chase you around the ocean.
Is that after or before you ask for more gibs from Murica?

>>135911636

not an argument, faggot

what are you even saying?

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>>135911858
this is the most german post I've seen on this board ever

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>>135902520
Jean Pierre, my son

It's 1939, yu must choose an alliance to bring France into great and prosperous future

will yu choose glorious axis of fascist powers

or will yu join jewish alliance of eternal anglo and communists

pic related

>>135912856

Not quite 20% of sub saharan...

20% of the French population is either immigrant or children of immigrants, however 45% of that number are of European descent.

And our immigrants don't cause nearly as much grief as they do in the UK, Sweden or even your country Hans...

>>135912430
>he doesn't know the Fat Controller

>>135914956
Shed 17

>>135911975
Just put the guns on pivots.

>>135906017
>confederate education
I learned in school that Hitler wanted to kill anyone who wasn't blue eyed and blonde.

>>135915053
My favourite Thomas film.

>>135915383
>lol Hitler was stupid like most the nazis weren't even blonde like wtf
It's funny how gullible people can be. Why doesn't anyone question the narrative on this? I remember having these thoughts and thinking Hitler was crazy when its much more plausible it didn't happen that way.

>>135911636
epic, simply epic

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>>135906017
>South american education

>>135902520
Shouldn't that be the imaginot line?

>>135907673
>>>/reddit/

>>135902520
because according to their plans they had the time to send their army to the north b4 krauts reached rance, thanks to belgium.

>>135903633
The problem was the Generals decided to put troops into position without knowing where the German army was, if they would have sent a simple recon plane over the Arden they would have seen a massive Germany army and they could have moved troops into position, but instead they kept there troops further west where the Germans invaded through in WWI. The war was lost in the first couple days of actually fighting.

>>135902520
Because belgians are fucking retards:
"dur dur let's go neutral while Hitler is rebuilding the german army, 20 years after being literally raped by the krauts and with an Europe on the verge to fall into total war".

I hope the next time you try to invade us we nuke those fucks to barrage you, Belgium is just a ring to fight between french, germans and anglos, belgians are basically living dummies just waiting to be looted.

>>135903633
The same goes for Poland. The krauts did have more men and more tanks, but not a whole lot more. And most tanks broke down after the first couple of days.
The polish tanks were tied to infantry units just like France's, because France won WW1. Then they had an army in Poznan which did fuck all because the poles didn't trust each others.
They could easily have bogged the krauts down forever.

>>135902626
1/4 Frenchie here. It's literally true.

They really should stick to cooking.

>>135915778

The conditioned idiots still believe this thing about the Herrenrasse too, when they simply were to dumb to translate Herrscherrasse the right way, which basically was a noun for germans being the people in control in germany. The same autistic shit as deutschland, deutschland über alles, which is older than the german state and literally expressed the hope for a united germany and to overcome the 300 little german entities. History was rewritten by degenerates.

>>135914867
>And our immigrants don't cause nearly as much grief as they do in the UK, Sweden or even your country Hans...

kys Bilal

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>>135906277
George S. Patton quotes - Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.

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>>135907073
People bound this around and its a half truth. The real truth is we were technically at war under chamberlain. But it was notorious as a non war. No troops were sent no fighting nothing except British sanctions economically on Germany. Peace was very much still a prospect whilst chamberlain was in power. However Churchill who was at the time the first sea lord demanded the British secure Norwegian ports to prevent Hitler securing coal and other supplies that the British were using. He fucked it up. On purpose. He got a ton of his own ships sunk, good lads dead because he wanted the war to escalate. It was because of churchills fuck up that chamberlain lost support of the cabinet and the people. He made sure that Churchill suffered none of the blame publically. Churchill then went on to become prime minister. Halifax however who was the other candidate and more qualified was keen on approaching a peace with Hitler.of course after Churchill was endorsed by chamberlain. Well the rest is history. Churchill was a Jew puppet and acted like one. Sacrificing his own countrymen to attain power.

>>135914765
An alliance with Germany was literally impossible.
Imagine some nigger invade your home and kill half of your family.
You still manage to subdue him and the cops finally arrive to help you and send him in prison.
Imagine this guy comes 10 years later and propose you to hang out, what would be your reaction ?

Also a large part of Hitler's rhetoric was based on the revenge on french, he hated France from all his guts (which is not something really surprising as a german WWI soldier).
The only thing he liked about France the nationalist vibe of the republican education of these times but that's it.

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>>135922916
>tfw when you realize Churchill and Stalin were the bad guys.

Normies think Churchill is a hero. Sad as it is most of us used to think so too. The man who caused the Blitz escapes nearly all scrutiny.

>>135908350
Our ancestors conquered your islands, that's why you were ruled by french kings during 400 years.

>>135903633
They also had a really fragile government

>>135911494
look at them celebrating the destruction of their white nation and white race. If only they knew

>poltard education

>>135923637
>Our ancestors
Normans weren't French.

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>>135922916
>Churchill actively undermined Britain because muh Jews
Churchill did many things wrong, but at least put effort into slander.

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>>135923594
Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt, Churchill all were people that unanimously agreed that bombing civilians as a war tactic in order to force the moral of front line troops to out pressure on their government in coups and armed revolts. And they all did it.
The good people were pushed out of the lime light so Jewish puppets could win by any means.
Sooner you realize that m8 the better.
The second world war was fought by kikes about kike land using kike money.

>>135924677
Google "Churchill the focus"

>>135923637
Normans
Norse Men
North Men
The Normans were organized vikings from Scandinavia. They conquered you fucks with ease and renamed your city to Normandy before they came here. At least we fucking put up a fight.

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>>135902520
>move it north

Ever heard of Fort Eben Emael?
Belgium DID continue the Maginot line and the best of the best -- airborne assault battalion Sturmabteilung Koch -- took it in one of the most recognisable and first landing glider assaults in history.

>>135903646
>building a wall is impossible
You sound like a republican congressman

I must say I am impressed with American knowledge on the subject
a few retards aside, most know the basic geography and the situation
in our media Americans are often laughed at for their lacking geography skills, and not caring about anything outside the US
but on /pol/ I see Americans discussing Prussia, the HRE, etc etc

just an observation

>>135925036
>Churchill the focus
>David Irving
Almost as good as using Hitler as a source.

>>135927339
They exist but are simply rare.
Some play swedish-made strategy games which gets them interested in reading up more.
Once they start there's no stopping, there's always some new facet of history to learn.

>>135902520
KEKED
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>>135902520
The frogs had one of bests tanks in the world and superior number of tanks but they didn't have radios installed inside. The French lost because they had no communication between their tanks and no infantry to back them up.The Germans had radios installed in their tanks and the infantry were moving together with the tanks and supporting them.

>>135927661
>attacks the source not the information
Ah I see you kike.

>>135928591
The Germans made better decisions because they ran through the OODA loop faster than the French could because of Augfraktactik. The French made good decisions, but they did it so slowly technological and numerical superiority got BTFO.

>>135902520
And defend against Belgium? There was also the assumption that the Germans would have difficulty moving their tanks through the forests and that their tanks could have easily killed the infantry that would have emerged.
But then again they probably should have fucking guessed they would have done the exact same thing they did last fucking time

>>135902520
Ah, Belgium, also known as France's open side door.

>>135902520
Can you imagine how expensive it was ?
That's the reason