CAPITALISM QUESTIONS

capitalism isn't based on merit, it's based on voluntary exchange.

also envy isn't a good look, grow up

>>135882785
>also envy isn't a good look, grow up

also kill youself OP you poor wothless little shit

youre just as bad as a nigger

>>135882894
>it's based on voluntary exchange.
It's a modern enslavement system
keep sucking the balls of your masters, you don't envy they, kek

>>135882785
It's not a meritocracy. Never was, never will be. Even most of the bootlicking fucks on this board understand that.

>>135883450
Nobody is forcing you to work for somebody else. Why aren't you smart enough to come up with your own idea and market it?

>>135883450
>keep sucking the balls of your masters
thanks, i will. stay poor lol

>>135883455
then why all ancap fags keep repeating that it is a meritocracy system and blablabla?

>>135883533
>Nobody is forcing you to work for somebody else
>work for me or starve / be marginalized
Rly?

>>135883585
You will always be a servant of the ruling dysnastic families that owns 90% of the world

>>135884115
>You will always be a servant of the ruling dysnastic families that owns 90% of the world
so what's your proposal? which economic system should be implemented?

Relax the third generation usually wastes it drugs and hookers.

Many times it's the family business and every time they try to stop the super rich from dumping billions to their kids they fail and only screw the kid who gets the family farm that is taxed at the vaue it would be if they turned it into homes. (((They))) will write the rules in such a way that bergstien will get his money but Schultz's farm will have to be sold to pay the inheritance tax.

>if it is a system based on meritocracy?
It's not. Fuck off.

>>135884619
He is a commie. In a moment he will shill for muh UBI

>deserve

There is that word again.

>>135882785
Because their parents planned for their existence. Simpler answer their parents weren't niggers who spent every penny they had when they had it.

>>135882785
You saying socialist did something to deserve Jack's father's money? Hypocrite.

>>135882785
How about kill yourself you litle shit?

Took me 20 years AFTER the law was reverted, to take back 30.000 square meters of land my peasant grandfather lost to communists. He was lured to the war (and his father) with the promise of land.

Fuck off, piece of shit.

Also most likely Jack the Scumbag hires you to post shit.

>>135884910
Then why is it overrated?
No meritocracy = no justice at all in what you make

>>135882785
Nepotism is allowed because every company is held accountable by competition (unlike government).
Therefore if you put aside the more qualified people in favour of people you know, this will have a net negative toll on the company. Do this too much and you will be in disadvantage and eventually fail.

>>135882785
>you can't decide where your own money that you worked your ass off for goes to
fuck off nigger

>>135882785
>gibs gibs gibs

What did you do to deserve it faggot?

>>135885413
Congratulations
You have received goods because of someone else work
Truly a flawless system

>>135884115
>>work for me or starve / be marginalized

So in your ideal world people wouldn't have to work? Food still needs to be grown, goods still need to be produced and services still need to be provided. Clearly, *someone* has to be working to provide those things.

What you're essentially saying (as most left-wing claptrap boils down to) is that you are so selfish you want other people to work on your behalf, while you live parasitically on their efforts.

>>135882785
Liking capitalism means liking the Jews.

Jews benefit the most from capitalism. Don't believe me? Just look at who runs all the major corporations and media

>>135884619
Anything that allows everyone to have the same starting conditions and that allows earnings through merit

>>135886726
what's the best way to determine merit? could it possible be, VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ynH2uvVIu0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km9OCw3f5w4

>>135885413
Don't listen to these commie wannabes. They wouldn't survive a week in a communist country.

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The cold hard reality is, despite what you think of yourself, chances are you're either average, or below average. Now with capitalism, if you're truly great, and ambitious, and work hard, you may make something of yourself. There are no promises, but it's certainly a possibility. That being said, the reason most socialists see it as slavery, is because most socialists aren't great. They aren't exceptional, and as such, they'll lead mediocre lives. So they want the playing field evened.\

They see the working class as equal with those who are ambitious and great, so they want to be treated equally, and have equal access to stuff. Which will only dumb down our population. If you don't have an incentive to work hard to create, to become rich and powerful, you won't ever truly try at anything, because you'll get the same crap the guy down the road who does halfass jobs gets. This stunts society's growth, and instead of a utopia, you get a dystopia.

Now I understand that it may anger you, that someone's father worked hard, was intelligent, and strives to provide for his family so they may have nice things in life, but it's none of your business.

Nobody in capitalism, regardless of what your teachers tell you, is trying to keep you down. The only person keeping you down is you, so man the fuck up, read a book, strive to become something, or keep bitching and moaning about great men while you sit there wasting away pathetic, and insignificant. That choice is yours. Personally, I'm thankful for capitalism, it has some flaws, sure. But it's the only system that works, and it means that I could become great, or insignificant, regardless of my birth. There's no promises, but there never are.

>>135882785

just get lost, commie in denial!

m8 under capitalism, wealth is abundant. Just because people have it, doesn't mean they will keep it.
If you have a great idea, you CAN get investors to invest in it.
If you an't deal with people have money, move to a communist country like venezuela.

>>135887328
>Now with capitalism, if you're truly great, and ambitious, and work hard, you may make something of yourself.
Yes, if you are poor
If you had born in a rich family you just get things as granted
Can't everyone see it is extremely unfair?

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>>135887832
Life isn't fair. If you're rich, that means one of your ancestors earned it, and as such, provided better opportunities for his family. Why is that any of your business? Life isn't about looking at your neighbor and saying "Jee, I wish I had that size TV." If you're stuck in that mindset, you'll ignore your own self drive and just live a pathetic life. Equality is a joke, because people are not equals, IQs are not all the same, genetics are not identical. So grow the fuck up kiddo.

>>135886528
Commies aren't anti-work, we're anti-wage labor. I like working. I don't like having the product of my labor stolen from me and given to my boss. I'm ok with the product of my labor going toward the welfare of society as a whole, because that benefits both myself and all the people I care about, but working to enrich one individual who will proceed to stash it in an offshore tax haven and never touch it again is fucking ridiculous.

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>>135888007
See, this is the argument I don't understand. Now if communism were extinct, I'd get the argument more. But there's plenty of countries around the world that have some version of communism or another. Move there. Stop trying to change this country, which was built on the very ideals you demonize. Do you think the people who love capitalism have a right to maintain that system of law, and if you don't like it, you can easily leave to a country that matches your ideology.

>>135888007
>I don't like having the product of my labor stolen from me
Then buy the material and machinery necessary to produce to product and find a way to sell it profitably yourself.

>>135888439
This is part of the beauty of America. You can figure out a way to by the material and machinery, and instead of stashing the cash you make, donate it to charities to help your community, or you can stash it all away from yourself and your ancestors. The beauty of this is that you have the choice to do either, and that's called freedom. Nobody is holding a gun to you and telling you what you earn isn't truly yours.

An idler wasting the family's fortune is not being rewarded in any way by the system. He is merely wasting the money that someone else was rewarded for his merits, endeavour and ingenuity. If the system rewarded the lazy bum for being a lazy bum then I would recognise the issue but as such I see no fault in it being called meritocratic. And, by the way, privilege and meritocracy are not mutually exclusive.

>>135882785
Kys commie faggot. Sage

>>135888177
Communism is a global phenomenon. Capitalism is doomed to fail, in no small part due to inheritance concentrating global wealth into a few small dynasties. When those bubbles of fake money burst and send the system spiraling into recession, depression, or even collapse I think you'll find people don't like it as much as you expect them to.

>>135888439
The falling rate of profit leaves small businesses less and less viable as wealth accumulates into ever fewer hands and capitalism marches toward its inevitable conclusion.

>>135882785
Why should I not be able to work hard and be successful in order to ensure a comfortable life for my descendents?

>>135889600
If only there were rich people who could invest in your small business allowing you to expand..

>>135886846
Merit is getting what you deserve/make
Nowadays capitalism voluntary exchange means be exploited by the (((elite)))
so no

That's the whole point of working hard... so your kids will be safer after you're dead...

Derphead

>>135888439

Seriously. It's actually embarrassing how little communists understand how business works. The "product of your labour" is your wage. You didn't build the factory, or buy the material inputs, or make the connections to sell the product (sales is really fucking difficult, there's a reason it pays well if you can do it), or any of the thousand other things that go into it.

If you aren't willing to accept no pay if your employer has a bad quarter, then shut the fuck up about getting the "full product of your labour."

>>135889759
how can we measure what someone deserves?

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>>135882785

land titles are state granted privileges that don't follow natural rights

Lockean proviso ftw

>>135888007
Your labour is worth shit if you have nobody to request it.

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>>135889600
Communism certainly is a global phenomenon, one that has cost the world 100 million in causalities. Capitalism on the other hand, has created the arguably greatest country to ever grace this planet, and made the planet richer overall. Now you can live in a fairy tail where the college kids are going to rise up and shoot those evil rich older gentlemen, but it's just that, a fantasy land. You should instead invest that time in making something of yourself, but I doubt you'd take my advice. You just want hand outs, so go get some hand outs, and tell me more about how capitalism is going to fail.

>>135882785
Because a father can choose who gets to own his property when he is dead. You are stealing from him if you take that money away from him and his children if you take it from him. Family is a great motive for making money, and that is why you should be able to pass it on to the people you worked hard to care for.
Don't you have any empathy? Capitalism /= meritocracy. They are two completely different systems, but meritocracy just so happens to flourish under capitalism because capitalism enables those people who work hard to become rich. In the past that was way harder than it is now.

Jack the Scumbag will blow through his trustfund/inheritance and so he will redistribute the money.

>>135885413
Fuck commies.

Why is it that all commieposters are the same, chubby/skinnyfat autistic losers obsessed with bringing everyone above them down to their level? Is it perhaps because they cannot live with the fact that they're worthless?

>>135889615
Because your descendants are people just like everyone else that need to work to obtain their goods

By the way in my view reproduction should be a concession (based on your genetics and world's needs) and not a granted right

>>135889759
Nowadays communism voluntary exchange means be exploited by the (((elite)))

Can't wait for the red dawn so I can go from working for shekels to buy food to working for ration vouchers so I can buy food.

>>135882785
Benjamin Franklin was against inheriting money/property, but this causes one to reflect that, if private citizens are not allowed to inherit money/property/businesses, then why should corporations/global monopolies be allowed to exist in perpetuity? And who gets the inheritance? The state? Yeah, fuck that shit. Why should they profit from some others hard work.

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>>135890305
So you're anti-freedom, that's cool. You could just say that at the start of your posts though, just so everyone knows what to expect. This country however, is not anti-freedom, so I'll state a previous comment once more. There are communist countries on this planet, you don't need to turn America into a shithole, move to one of those countries and make it great with your labor benefiting the welfare of the society and whatever other nonsense you buy into.

>>135890209

The Unabomber had a good take on it, he said essentially that they have no self-confidence, and are unable to even imagine themselves being successful, thus they come to despise success itself

>>135889747
The rate of profit will continue to fall, making small businesses less and less likely to succeed. That only contributes to the problem. Your solution isn't sustainable. The only way to make it sustainable is to base production off human need rather than profit.

>>135889923
The capitalist doesn't build the factory - the workers do. The capitalist doesn't produce the material inputs - the workers do. The capitalist doesn't sell the product - the workers do. The workers produce all value. The capitalist keeps most of it. Why do we keep the capitalist around again?

>>135890039
Capitalism also created the fucked up situations in Africa and SE Asia.. not to mention the absolutely unsustainable level of consumption Americans and Europeans enjoy. Have fun while it lasts.

>>135886726
>everyone has the same starting conditions

So a fantasy world.

Communism is shit but modern capitalism is also shit. The best system ever created was national socialism.

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>>135890572
I will enjoy it while it lasts, and when it no longer is sustainable, and the demand raises, we'll figure out another way to get what we need. Why? Because there's money to be made, and the great will figure out ways to make that money. Now you can bitch and moan about capitalism ruining Africa, although Africa was pretty swell under European colonial rule. I'd say it's the Africans that ruined Africa. South America, kinda the same nonsense, too much interbreeding with the natives.

>>135889985
By the effort, creativity, work hours, etc.

>>135882785

> inheritance
> meritocracy

These things do not contradict. Intelligence is mostly (but not entirely) inherited anyway

Your child is essentially you, the line between individuals in the same family is blurry. "Individuality" is a meme anyway.

If you are rich and have a dumb child, that child will waste their inheritance anyway, so it doesn't matter that they have it - fool and money are easily parted. Their wealth automatically gets redistributed to whoever wants to sell them some magic beans.

>>135890209
Because they know they will never make anything of their lives. As such, they need to bring everyone down to their level.

>>135890305
>Because your descendants are people just like everyone else that need to work to obtain their goods
Let's say I'm an old fuck. I'm going to die soon. But I have $100k. Why can I not gift said $100k to my son to help him in his life? After all, that's what parents are supposed to do, help their children. The government already takes a nice chunk of that anyway.

>>135890572
>implying buying the labor to build said factory doesn't constitute a stake in the company
>implying putting your money on the line doesn't mean you should be able to profit from your gamble
>implying you know fuck all about owning and operating a business
>implying running a business isn't work in and of itself
>implying finding a customer base isn't work
The capitalist employs the laborers, you stupid fuck. He provides the opportunities to work and be paid.

>>135890305
And there we have it, ladyboys and gents, enjoy your brave new world retard.

My incentive to provide for society at large is much lower than to provide for my family. If my son is wasting his potential and squandering what wealth I transmit to him, you used to be able to smack his shit but at least I can still close the tap. Meanwhile, who is stopping the tub of lard around the street corner from collecting neetbux while playing LoL all day.

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>>135886476
I am 100% positive you are using electricity you personally didn't harvest. You wear clothes that someone else made, you eat food someone else prepared. If you so much as participated in any of the above actions ONCE you are a willing participant in the system as a whole.

Eat shit faglord, you even converse in a system and mode of thought you didn't pioneer from the ground up. Even your value structure on work/pay needs to be justifiable comes from an outside source to benefit you (or so you believe). Those ideas, however flawed you see them as are the same currency you get passed from someone else. Capitalism just took the normal mode of human thought and codified it for the physical mundane world we work within.

You do it every damn day you edgelord teenage fuck. The shame is you are too idiotic (but useful) to even see it.

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>>135882785
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>>135890783
so the state is going to do this? and you believe they will be accurate?

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>>135882785
Oh, so it should go to the almighty state? Fuck off commie

>>135882785
Real sorry your parents were poor as fuck and left you nothing OP. I got a comfy house and a plump bank account.

>>135886964
this, I support every word he said

>>135891139
>TFW parents will sell the house you grew up in in a few years

Feels bad man

>>135890750
The Earth has finite resources. Markets can't change that, and markets have no incentive to fix the damage we cause to our environment.

>>135890808
>The capitalist employs the laborers, you stupid fuck. He provides the opportunities to work and be paid.
I understand how capitalism works, thanks. Doesn't change the fact that the profit motive is shit.

>>135886619
Bullshit

>>135890783
So will everyone be receiving GBP and exchange them for light up wrist watches and chicken tendies

>>135887832
Jesus, you're clearly have a kid mentality.

LIFE IS UNFAIR :(!! WAAAHH, I'm cry about it on a board.


Fucking toughen up you little pussy, your vagina is completely exposed.

>>135891296
He's right. All of Europe's successful merchants were Jews in the middle ages because the Church abhorred merchants and moneylenders. The dynastic nature of capitalism allowed those Jewish families to keep their money right into the modern day. They got a head start on whitey and they're beating him at his own system.

>>135891289
This is the difference between you and I. you underestimate human ability, and I overestimate it. I'm not worried in the slightest, we'll figure shit out, we always do, because we simply have that potential. We're so great, we took ourselves out of the food chain, there's no limit to our abilities.

>>135891532
I can't argue with that sort of religious thinking. Enjoy your day.

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>>135891599
I always do

>>135882785
Shut your whore mouth you filthy commie!

Jacks father's assets are PRIVATE PROPERTY, accumulated after taxation. His right to life extends into the disposition of his assets upon his death.

Cry fucking harder. You lose at life and your parents were losers too.

>>135890480
Freedom should be restringed for the wellbeing of everyone
Like you don't have the freedom to kill a person

>>135890618
Everyone gets a bank account with the same number in the beggining
How is that fantasy?

>>135891289
What is the motive you would propose? To improve society and he lot of your less fortunate Comrades? Why the Fuck would anybody want to do that? Is that what you would call a meritocracy?

>>135891289
>I understand how capitalism works, thanks.
No, I really don't think you do. Profit motives are extremely powerful. The workers don't own the factors because they didn't invest in it.

>hurr durr i own something because i used material someone else paid for and who paid for my time to build it

Anything you are paid by someone else to make for them is, by definition, not yours. Fucking idiots.

>>135890572
>The capitalist doesn't build the factory - the workers do. The capitalist doesn't produce the material inputs - the workers do. The capitalist doesn't sell the product - the workers do. The workers produce all value. The capitalist keeps most of it. Why do we keep the capitalist around again?

You're saying the person who made all that happen doesn't deserve to profit from it? How does it happen without anybody making it happen? All those workers will just spontaneously do it hoping it pays off in the end? You can do that today, nobody is stopping you.

>>135882785
>Muh wealth
But you're dead

Once a individual has gained greats amounts of money, he will get to fulfill some wishes. One of those wishes, and perhaps the most important one, is assuring the well being of their family.

The well being of their family means: make sure their kids get a good education, safety, comfort, access to top-tier healthcare and so on. It's perfectly reasonable that in a meritocracy, the individual who wins gets to assure comfort to their loved ones for generations to come. No one said that the money you make can only be spent to grant YOUR wishes. A huge chunk of our wishes is to make our loved ones succed in life aswell, and that's perfectly fine, you jealous looser.

>>135882785
What would be the point of working hard and acquiring currency if you're just going to die and leave it all to nobody (or worse the government). Just common sense that your estate goes to your family or friends upon your death. Life is short, it usually takes multiple generations to actually get into the real wealth.

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>>135891877
So the point is to find a balance, what should be a freedom, and what shouldn't be based on it harming someone else. That's what our constitution tries to do, and in my opinion, does it well. What you want to do is take away freedoms, which is always a dumb idea. That's like a middle class man waking up one morning, having lived a pretty good life, and saying "You know what, I'm kinda done with all this freedom. I'll go to prison, where people tell me what to do 24 hours a day, 7 days a week." You never willingly give up freedoms. Unless you're insane. Or just dumb.

>>135882894
Not the reason given by many pro capitalists,
They state any regulation of it diminishes human endeavor an talent.

OP's point is valid; vast unearned wealth through inheritance simply creates neo-feudalism..

You should be able to leave a property or so, some cash or so, shares etc, but not gargantuan fuckloads for your kid to spunk on

inheritance is voluntary and charity

>>135882785
>a system based on meritocracy

you're thinking too hard. It's not.

>allowed

Nothing is "allowed," it's just that nothing is disallowed.

If you uncuck yourself, you'll feel a lot freer, op.

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>>135888007
Did you build the machine that builds the "product of your labor" did you mine the raw materials? Did you own the mineral rights to the area where the raw materials were mined? Did you put yourself through geology school to be able to find the correct areas which bear raw materials? Did you drive the ore truck 700 miles across bumpy Montana roads? Did you work 12 hour days at the steel mill to make the product into a workable form? Or did you... The worker... Maybe just load the machine and press the button? Man... If only there were a system that pays each member of the chain or production what their labor was cost effective for..... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe we should make such a system, we'll call it, whatitsworthism.

>>135883450

>modern enslavement system

It's a system where nobody but you can unenslave yourself, should you happen to
find yourself there.

The difference, in regard to slavery, between capitalism and socialism is that under socialism,
it's a lot harder to free yourself -- since an entire
government keeps you there, in a way that
depends on the whims of the current rulers (be they a single despot, or a nation of despots, under so-called "democratic socialism").

>>135886846
Yes.
Everyone gives voluntarily votes for a party to hold state office.
That state then recommends taxation levels and regulation.
This when done properly, ensures basic food, shelter, health, education, freedom of speech,.

What voluntary exchange shouldn't be able to do is voluntarily exchange legislation for cash.to entrench your monopoly as a corp.

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>>135885102
>>135882785
>tfw when rich idiot D grade student can be CEO but A grade poor kid will probably be fucked.

>>135891946
Goods should be produced according to human need rather than private profit. It's an egalitarian arrangement in which everyone has equal access to society's resources, not a meritocracy in which your access to society's resources is restricted along arbitrary guidelines.

>>135891972
Money's a spook. Are you so ingrained into the capitalist mindset that you can't bear to think outside of it, even in theoreticals?

>>135892011
Communism involves a transitional state arranged along the lines of democratic centralism. A high council sends out a call for x factories to fulfill demand, regional councils work out which regions build which factories, community councils work out which communities build which factories. Workers in the communities that agreed to build factories then work said factories.

>>135892401
Labor exists in a social pool. Workers depend on the labor of other workers in order to perform their jobs. At no point in the chain does a worker depend on the labor of a capitalist, because a capitalist does not perform productive labor. He simply orders that it be performed and pays for it to be done.

>>135891054
Yeah, but nowadays politicians are a joke because of democracy and the ruling elite, a true aristocracy (again via merit), should be fine to define most things

>>135882894
This, you dont have to give any money to your piece of shit son, you MAY do so in a will

>>135893028
>Money's a spook. Are you so ingrained into the capitalist mindset that you can't bear to think outside of it, even in theoreticals?

>the fundamental vehicle by which value is transferred is unimportant.

wew

It doesn't fucking matter if the money is us dollars, gold, silver, peanuts, or fucking rare pepes. It is the engine by which value is transferred.

>>135893313
It's the engine through which commodities are purchased. Money is important because our society has an unhealthy focus on commodity production. Distributing goods which were produced to be USED rather than SOLD is still a transfer of value.

My break's over, I gotta get back to work. I enjoyed talking with you guys. Peace.

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>>135893634
>communist has a job

Shiggy diggy doo, niggas.

>>135882785
>Why is property inheritance allowed under capitalism if it is a system based on meritocracy?
Part of capitalism is deciding what to do with the money you earn. Passing it onto your children is one of those decisions.

>>135882785

Inherited wealth vanishes in 3 generations

>>135882785

Well of course OP doesn't think that children should get stuff. He's a fag. He will not have offspring to give anything to.

Funny that he also believes that the state should take things away from non-fags and give it to him, though. Perhaps he should have just had parents who loved him - then he wouldn't be a fag, and he'd be rich.

>>135895519
tell that to Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans...

>>135893028
>egalitarian arrangement
>equal access to resources
And how do you enforce such an order? I personally prefer profit motivations, unequal and imperfect as they are, to jackboots and batons.
>a high council
Made up of who?
>sends out a call for factories to fulfill demands
How decides what demands must be filled?
>community councils decide what factories to build
What if different regions want to build the same factory, who gets to decide then? What if there are not enough materials to build two factories, who decides which goes where?
>workers build and then work in the factories
What if a worker does not have the skills to build a factory, may he still work in it? What if a worker moves to a different town, or was born after it was built, can he still work in a factory he did not help to build?

>>135882894
There is no such thing as voluntary exchange

So as this thread is dying I say that my expectations with capitalism turned far worse than I thought in the beginning

>>135884903
You realize that each kid can inherit 5 mil tax free right? Also failure to plan is no excuse, there are ways.

>>135883450
>It's a modern enslavement system
What is stopping you from living in the woods? Whiny bitch

>>135884115
>then why all ancap fags keep repeating that it is a meritocracy system and blablabla?
That's because you're incapable of understanding a simple dialogue. Dumbass.

>>135882785
You have the right to do what you will with your belongings and wealth. That includes giving it to your children, whom you have worked your entire life to provide for.

The whole point is to help your family and descendents. Otherwise why bother at all.

>>135883450
And true colors revealed.

But no no you wanted to have an intelligent debate right?

>>135900108
i honestly dont know what you expected

>>135901431
I expected at least a bit of virtue in this system
but it is all about luck and exploitation

>>135897507
not the guy you're responding to but I'm pretty well-read in leftist political theory

>And how do you enforce such an order?
just give everyone equal access to society's resources. the obvious exception to this is that sometimes there just isn't enough of something for everyone, in which case there are plenty of fair ways to ration it. rationing is the only time jackboots and batons have to be involved.

>Made up of who?
democratically elected individuals who can be recalled at any time by popular vote

>How decides what demands must be filled?
councils work in levels. the lowest level is the workplace council, up to 10 elected individuals who represent each workplace. the highest level is the high council. information filters up from bottom to top through monthly reports.

>What if different regions want to build the same factory, who gets to decide then? What if there are not enough materials to build two factories, who decides which goes where?
disputes among councils of the same level are kicked up to the next level of council. decisions made by councils are binding on all lower councils.

>What if a worker does not have the skills to build a factory, may he still work in it? What if a worker moves to a different town, or was born after it was built, can he still work in a factory he did not help to build?
of course. you do not have to build a workplace to work in it.

>>135901607
go read Lenin. he's the real redpill.

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>>135882894
fpbp

Capitalism is the only way to accurately plan out businesses, too. The price system, it's praxeological basis, and the inherently subjective nature of value all destroy the foundation that any form of planned economy shit stands on. A planned economy is one that spreads lies about the value of the items traded for by forcing value where the components of trade (the people) determine the real value of those items. No centralized entity can accurately determine the value of a good for all people across the board at all times, and if they try they are perpetuating an arithmetical error into the market which ripples through the whole system and devalues it all

>>135891877
We already do, and the starting balance is 0
Fucking retard

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>>135901896
"This incentive and coordination problem was generally understood by proponents of Marxism and socialism; as Murray Rothbard explains, if “everyone was supposed to produce ‘according to his ability’ but receive ‘according to his needs,’ then, to sum it up in the famous question: Who, under socialism, will take out the garbage?” 101 The traditional socialist answer was that human nature would be transformed and purged of its selfishness to create a New Socialist Man. This New Man would work as hard and as eagerly as possible to achieve the goals and obey the orders of the socialist state (unlike we utopian libertarians, see, socialists are grounded in reality)."

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"As long as the defining characteristic—the essence—of socialism, i.e., the absence of the private ownership of factors of production, remains in place, no reform will be of any help. The idea of a socialist economy is a contradiction in terms, and the claim that socialism represents a 'higher,' more efficient mode of social production is absurd. In order to reach one's own ends efficiently and without waste within the framework of an exchange economy based on division of labor, it is necessary that one engage in monetary calculation (cost-accounting). Everywhere outside the system of a primitive self-sufficient single household economy, monetary calculation is the sole tool of rational and efficient action. Only by comparing inputs and outputs arithmetically in terms of a common medium of exchange (money) can a person determine whether his actions are successful or not. In distinct contrast, socialism means to have no economy, no economizing, at all, because under these conditions monetary calculation and cost-accounting is impossible by definition. If no private property in factors of production exists, then no prices for any production factor exists, hence, it is impossible to determine whether or not they are employed economically. Accordingly, socialism is not a higher mode of production but rather economic chaos and regression to primitivism. "

>>135892190
Typically this is done through trust funds not inheritance. It is a way to get around inheritance taxes which rob and rape an estate. Another good way to pass along a lot of money tax free is life insurance policies with the child as beneficiary.

Trust fund babies do about as well as welfare recipients. Which is not very well.

Teaching children how to be reasonable and responsible will always be the best way to ensure their survival.

>>135892190
What happens when those kiddos get their billions? They blow it on frivolous shit, because they've never been taught how to manage money. If they have been taught how to manage money and are smart, then they will invest their wealth in ways that will give them a living income just off of their investments, without touching their zeroth sum (the nest egg, so to speak)
If they do that, then their money is occupied by the market and is being used to fuel infrastructure building. If they are irresponsible and blow their wealth on stupid shit, then guess what? Once again their money is back into the market. Either way their money is going to be pushed back into the market. If they just sit on their wealth and do nothing with it, then inflation will gradually eat away at their wealth over time

>>135901896
>just give everyone equal access to society's resources. the obvious exception to this is that sometimes there just isn't enough of something for everyone, in which case there are plenty of fair ways to ration it. rationing is the only time jackboots and batons have to be involved.

Hahaha that's working great for Venezuela right now isn't it, faggot. Your marxist bullshit never works, and every time it's tried it ends in tyranny and starvation.

>>135902678
according to these quotes, modern China should not exist because the vast majority of industry is publicly owned and operates according to 5-year plans. rothbard was wrong, I'm sorry you fell for his memes.

money is not the sole motivation for work and the idea that one man must commit to one - and only one - function within society is absurd. anyone can take out the garbage.

>>135903448
venezuela is a liberal democracy with a socialist president. there is no dictatorship of the proletariat in venezuela.

>destroy family because you're a marxist piece of filth
>become a piece of shit parent
>kids cry because they get no inheritance
>kids think it's governments responsibility to take care of them

>>135882785
My father built a house with his bare hands 10 years ago
When he dies,does the STATE get to keep it?
No
Its called private property

>>135903816
this guy gets it. eat the fucking rich

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>>135882785
The whole point of capitalism is self ownership and therefore ownership of one's property. If you are not allowed to do with your property what you wish, including giving it to whomever you so desire, you do not own it. The right to inheritence is... ahem... inherent in ownership of property.

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>>135903611
>implying China isn't a massive bubble
>implying the only reason China works isn't because they are committing massive levels of fraud every year
And once again, who will take out the trash? No one will voluntarily, that's for sure. Someone ultimately holds a gun to their head

Also man I love how Venezuela was lauded as a socialist paradise back when oil was propping up their massive failure of a market, and now that they've failed it just isn't socialism

Every
Fucking
Time

>>135903816
>it isn't in your self interest to work for someone who will pay you for your labor now and then profit off of the results later once the product is sold on the market
Ever hear of "price preference"?

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>>135904112
time preference*

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>>135882785
Now we're asking the right questions

>>135883455
This

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>>135904052
And what happens when you run out of rich to eat? Who then will you leech off of, you filthy Marxist piece of shit?
I just hope the next world war is an ideological one between capitalism and marxism. I want to see the blood of you traitors run in the streets

>>135904112
people took out the trash before capitalism existed. people will continue to take out the trash before capitalism fails. the only difference within capitalism is that we have people whose lives are dedicated to taking out the trash and that's just fucked

China will outlast the US. the US is poised to fall, China is rising. so much for your free markets - turns out they're not sustainable after all.

venezuela was never socialist. socialism, by definition, requires that a dictatorship of the proletariat is established.

Nepotism is even worse under communism or socialism.

Government is all about helping one's own family too. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

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>>135904482
Socialism requires that the means of production are publicly owned you mongoloid fuck. That's exactly what has happened with Venezuela.

>>135904403
I truly hope you commie fucks get to live in an actual communist society. You deserve everything you're asking for

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>>135904052
silly commie
you get to eat nothing

>>135904482
Ahh right yes the ideal socialist man who will work tirelessly just because he is in a socialist society
Fucking delusional

>>135904450
when you run out of rich to eat, the apparatuses that were built to eat them begin rusting away, leading to the formation of a higher stage of communism

>>135904678
the means of production being truly publicly owned requires that the working class exerts complete control over society. this doesn't describe venezuela in the slightest.

>>135904757
why do teachers in the US teach? it certainly isn't for the pay.

>>135882785
Because I can give my things to whoever I want. Fuck off nigger. You don't get my stuff. I will burn my house down before giving it to the state.

>>135882785
>capitalism if it is a system based on meritocracy?

Who told you that? Capitalism is about voluntary exchange.

>>135882785
When you grow up, if ever, and become a man, if ever, you will know that leaving an inheritance for your family is one of the best things you can do.

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>>135885557
Lol hard work

>>135882785

>Why is property inheritance allowed under capitalism if it is a system based on meritocracy?

People people in their wills reassign their property to whoever they want (mostly their children) which includes lands/homes

Most inheritance homes are sold because the children have their own homes and the money from the sold home can be used by their children to be put into savings or for what they need to pay off (home mortgage, car payments, college loans)

>>135893028
>He simply orders that it be performed and pays for it to be done.
If you're smart enought to figure that out then why can't you do it yourself? Because you like sucking dicks for free but can't swallow because you have to put in back into a pool of cum in which even the people who didn't suck any dicks gets to drink from.

>>135904841
Of course teachers work for the pay. They make above average and get short hours and months off. Not to mention daycare and school cost benefits.

There are a host of white farmers making just $9k-12k a year. Meanwhile a married teacher couple in CA can make over 6 figures. Honestly, fuck off with your goddamn out of touch "teachers are poor but ultimate altruistic people" meme. They lobby for pay almost more than anyone.

>>135904841
>when you run out of rich to eat, the apparatuses that were built to eat them begin rusting away, leading to the formation of a higher stage of communism
Oh right, like has been shown in... exactly which attempt at communism?
What makes you believe that such a thing will ever actually occur? What makes you think human nature will fundamentally change once those conditions are met? Have you seriously bought that hard into the ideological masturbation of Marx?

>the means of production being truly publicly owned requires that the working class exerts complete control over society. this doesn't describe venezuela in the slightest
You're thinking of Communism, not Socialism. Do you even know your own batshit retarded ideology?

>why do teachers in the US teach? it certainly isn't for the pay.
Do you think they'd work for no pay? Fuck no. Even those that teach for the sake of teaching are doing it ultimately for their own self interest. They feel better for teaching, and they value that feeling high enough to exert the effort required to teach. The medium of exchange has changed from one of physical goods to one of emotion gain, however it's still an exchange based system and therefore opposed to communism

>>135887328
im gonna cap this.
do you mind?

>>135905114
You're right, it should be "work smarter and invest your gains to use your money as means to generate more wealth"
Anyone with a fully functioning brain can learn how to do this. You commies need not apply

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>>135904678
>I truly hope you commie fucks get to live in an actual communist society. You deserve everything you're asking for
Agreed, we NEED communism

>>135904112

>>135882785
You're just mad you're a lazy piece of human trash and so are your parents so you cant inherit anything when they pass away from their miserable lives. What jack the scumbag did was suck up to his parents or whoever gave them that capital so he can enjoy it and or make the pool bigger. Just because you don't want to sacrifice yourself for the better future if your offspring doesn't mean everyone else does. Grow up, get a job and make an empire of your own. That's the capitalist way.

>>135905344
much of my family are teachers. the oldest ones make less than median, the younger ones have switched out their car for student loan payments. it's not a glamorous life and it's certainly not one driven by a lust for money.

>>135905398
>Oh right, like has been shown in... exactly which attempt at communism?
no socialist state has reached the higher stage of communist as of yet. that requires global socialism - i.e. all the rich being eaten.

human nature is a spook. peoples' attitudes are informed by the circumstances of their upbringing and lifestyle.

>You're thinking of Communism, not Socialism.
socialism is the lower form of communism. please read marx, lenin, and mao before making a fool of yourself pretending you understand the nitty-gritty.


>They feel better for teaching, and they value that feeling high enough to exert the effort required to teach. The medium of exchange has changed from one of physical goods to one of emotion gain
so you agree that there are incentives to work that don't involve money? and don't give me that bullshit about 'emotional transaction' or whatever, that's hogwash

>>135905734
Fingers crossed that you stupid fucks get what you're asking for
Oh, and please do me a favor and compile a list of those """actual socialist societies""" that got cut down by capitalism thanks. I need something to laugh at

>>135882785
All good questions. The short answer is that capitalism is not based on meritocracy. Where did you read that? Capitalism is based on capital. Who has it, deals it.

>>135905096
Why? because of your (dead) ego? isn't it fair if everyone earn its own money?

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>>135905891
>you
Comrade let's not be selfish now, you will also enjoy the fruits of our newfound socialist state too

>>135905937
I fell for the capitalism = meritocracy memes
Sorry for that

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>>135905891
>Fingers crossed that you stupid fucks get what you're asking for
Free healthcare, basic needs met, less working hours and more wealth for the working class?

>>135905873
>no socialist state has reached the higher stage of communist as of yet. that requires global socialism
Every time socialism is tried it results in famine and death. How do you expect an attempt at global socialism to be any different? Oh, that's right, you ignore the failures and say they aren't real socialism right
Lmao I almost thought I was speaking to someone with a brain for a second there
>socialism is the lower form of communism
I know what socialism is, and what you were talking about was socialism, which is what I was talking about. How can communism ever hope to work if socialism always fails?
>so you agree that there are incentives to work that don't involve money? and don't give me that bullshit about 'emotional transaction' or whatever, that's hogwash
I have never said there weren't other means of exchange, but they are all ultimately means of exchange. Just because you're too stupid to understand that doesn't mean it's false. The teacher teaching of their own volition and without physical reimbursement is gaining in value what they perceive to be worth their time. Otherwise they wouldn't do it. No rational being would willingly engage in activity that results in their own perceived loss, unless they are masochistic (in which case they are STILL gaining, because they value their own suffering)

>>135906280
That might be what you think you're asking for, but what you're actually asking for is a total obliteration of the middle class, mass starvation, and an authoritarian government so powerful that it can permanently silence anyone who disagrees with their delusions

>>135906280
Did you forget the part where their shitty system totally collapsed their entire government? In case you forgot, that preceded their switch to capitalism. Socialism is a lie, and the only way to perpetuate it for long is with an extremely powerful authoritarian state

>>135906125
I'll go innawoods to wait out the inevitable global collapse if your shitty system ever manages to take over

>>135906280
Oh and
>free
>anything besides non-scarce components of nature
You're retarded

>>135906316
>Every time socialism is tried it results in famine and death. How do you expect an attempt at global socialism to be any different?
socialism ends famine. the area stricken by the holodomor was wracked by famine roughly every 20 years during the russian empire. the soviet union adjusted their economy and there hasn't been famine there since..
the famines of the great leap forward are in the same situation. the PRC adjusted their economy and there hasn't been famine there since.
the famine in North Korea was caused by the sudden collapse of the USSR. they adjusted their economy and there hasn't been famine there since.
noticing a pattern here? also talking to yourself isn't normal

>I know what socialism is, and what you were talking about was socialism, which is what I was talking about. How can communism ever hope to work if socialism always fails?
i was explicitly referring to the dictatorship of the proletariat. the dictatorship of the proletariat exists in the lower form but not the higher. it's ok to be ignorant of something, but please don't force the issue if you don't know what you're talking about.

>I have never said there weren't other means of exchange, but they are all ultimately means of exchange.
ok, if you really want to define it in such an oblique way that's fine. the means of exchange shifts from primarily money to primarily satisfaction. is that better?

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>>135906593
>but what you're actually asking for is a total obliteration of the middle class, mass starvation, and an authoritarian government so powerful that it can permanently silence anyone who disagrees with their delusions

You are describing right now what is happening under capitalism. Dwindling middle class, mass starvation, deaths to preventable and treatable disease, capitalist wars, and the US has more people in prison than the USSR ever did.

>that preceded their switch to capitalism
Nope

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perestroika

>>135905734
Can you name one successful cut down socialist economy that wasn't in its infancy and yet to be plagued by the problems we so often see develop in socialist countries?

>>135898457
how'd you work this one out

>>135882785
Why did Jack's dad, Mr Scumbag, work all those hours if he couldn't give his sprog a better chance in life?
Is he allowed to use his money to put his kid in a better school?

Fuck off hippy.
Nepotism is allowed because the Jews

>>135907147
Right, except the only reason it's happening 'under capitalism' is because of the socialist mechanisms that have been placed over the market. Under capitalism, none of the shit you see happening today would be happening. The fiat system, the state controlled interest rates, and the price control mechanisms are all marxist in nature
They are what is driving the system to failure, meanwhile retards like you claim it is all capitalism's fault

>>135907147
>>135907147
>97 million directly killed by communist regimes
>100 Million indirectly killed in other countries we apparently have to support because reasons
False equivalency much.

>>135907488
Of course he can't. Anyone can say socialism works because it seems nice at first, but they all go the route of Venezuela sooner or later. The only thing keeping total failure at bay is the size of the state and the cash crops they use to bankroll their fraud

>>135907833
Jack will spend all that money on whores, beaches and never work for life while it could be distributed to the whole community

>>135908164
kulaks deserved worse
mao should have killed all the landlords, not just some
kim should never have let his country's landlords flee to the south
castro should have sank the gusanos as they sailed to miami
maduro should have incited a real revolution when he had the chance

Venezuela proves socialism works.

>>135882785
Capitalism is the biggest Jew there is. The civil war was ultimately caused not by slavery but the advent of modern industrial capitalism spurring unequal taxation and representation of states in the union causing the South to pay most taxes while the industrializing North reaped the benefits. Hundreds of thousands of white men died in a horrible war not cause of the enslavement of coons but states' rights. They acknowledged the right of states to choose slavery or to follow the system of industrial capitalism where capital and labor are at odds and enforced by the saber and bayonet. They just didn't want to be forced to subsidize the latter with no benefit
It's all in this document.
http://www.civilwarcauses.org/rhett.htm

>>135908421
Every fucking time
>hurr if we just redistribute the wealth from the top down we'll be fine!
>wait, where did all the rich people go?
Oh that's right, to literally anywhere else that isn't trying to take their shit. Now you have a failed country with no wealth and a bunch of starving retards. Congrats

>>135882785
Actual answers, anything else is retarded garbage:

>Why is property inheritance allowed
Because its a biological motivation to provide for your children. If you take that away, you get nigger populations who only live for themselves and make the bare minimum to have nice things, as opposed to having children and adding workers and wealth to the economy over several years.

>What did Jack the Scumbag do to deserve
Stopped right there. A system based on money doesn't care. Its not perfect, but its the best we've got.

>Why is nepotism allowed
Its not allowed, its a byproduct that can't really be avoided. There is however, a "built in" failsafe against complete retards being in for a long time, because they would make things fail. Unless of course they're democrats and globalists in which case they will just get money thrown at them as long as they support (((the agenda)))

>>135908997
You think they'll go to some shithole where they'll probably be killed? Other developed countries with higher taxes than the US could ever dream of having? It doesn't make sense for them to leave. Businesses don't move into bad neighborhoods with high crime for a reason.

>>135882785
Private property rights dumbass

>>135909144
>Because its a biological motivation to provide for your children.
Good parenting should be obligated to anyone who acquire the concession of having a child

>>135908997
you stopped responding to our other conversation. given you got btfo on the first point, turned the second into word salad, and ceded the third i assume you've given up?

>>135908401
Hey asshat, even with jack being the unproductive degenerate shithead that he is, it is extremely difficult for him to NOT be beneficial to the economy.

If he was smart, he'd invest his money to combat inflation or to make a profit, but jack probably wont do that, he'll probably leave it in the bank where it will be lent out to more productive people that need to borrow money.

>>135909144
Not exactly but close. Property inheritance is a thing because we have a full "bundle" of property rights. Private property is the bedrock upon which all thriving societies are built. One of the rights contained within a full set of property rights is transference. This applies to sales as well as gifts or inheritance.

Ultimately the reason we have this full bundle of rights is because without them society would fall into the pit which you sort of described.

Inheritance is allowed as a mere incentive to production and innovation. It is helpful to encourage people to work beyond their own well-being and leaving a possibility to the heirs to start their life with an advantage. "Jack" (whoever he is) may haven't done anything to deserve it, but his parents did, and they could simply waste they couldn't leave their dear ones anything.

Also, based on simple capitalism based logic: because people should have the right to choose what to do with their money. This is based on liberal philosophy.
There are forms of authoritarian meritocracy (.g. Fascism) that don't see it very well

>>135909469
That's like saying not everyone should kill & steal, everyone should just be a good citizen.
I don't know what utopia fantasy you live in.

>>135909965
Reproduction should be controlled by the State (not the actual one whoever)
Those who got chosen to reproduce may be strictly surveilled to make sure it is a good parenting

>>135909639
Nope, I'm at my job and am in and out at the moment. I only respond when I'm not busy

>>135882785
"Oh no's people have a better life and more money than me" In communism your cucked out to the party elites, while you work your back off they live extravagant lives in big houses, buy luxury products, and live care free. Meanwhile you'll be waiting in a line for bread and potatoes. Speaking out or saying things they don't like gets you shot or sent to labour camps where you'll likely starve or die of exhaustion. Look what happened to protesters in the chinese Tiananmen square protest in 1989, hundreds murdered or imprisoned and they're still authoritarian. The Soviets spied on their own people and sent thousands to the gulags before the Union collapsed. In North Korea they basically have concentration camps where you and five generations of your family are worked until death. Cuba kills it's political dissidents or locks them up and throws away the key, it's medical care is also a joke. I hear all the time, "if communism was done right it would work" Communists have tried over 100 years but it always failed every time. Which is why people don't like communism, it looks good on paper but ends up being an oppressive dictatorship. Even China resorted to the free marcket eventually even though they remain authoritarian.

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>>135898457

>>135908401
>it could be distributed to the whole community
Move to Venezuela.
I hear property is cheap there now.

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>>135907886
It's poking fun at the ridiculous "gommunism gilled 10 trillion people"

But really, people die all the time even in the states from lack of food and clean water and healthcare. Also, all those poor capitalist third world nations are part of our capitalist system. You can't just exploit everyone else and then in the same breathe say their aren't a part of the capitalist system.

>>135907872
>socialist mechanisms that have been placed over the market
>are all marxist in nature
Confirmed for not even knowing what socialism is. Those measures were put in place to try to fix the failures of the previous capitalist reiteration. Those theories were advanced by CAPITALIST theorists. Soon we're going to need another bullshit capitalist theory to fix the new problems we have.

>>135882785
Cause its better to give it to Jack the Scumbag than the Jews.

I'm on to you schlomo.

>>135912098
>people in the states die all the time from lack of food and clean water and health care

No they don't you disingenuous lying piece of shit commie scum. I do hope you die on the street. Communism is evil and communists are the most evil people the earth has ever seen. There better not be an American flag hiding under your disgusting fake flag.

>>135882785
I own a business. I want to leave my kids my business. I teach my kids to run my business. This makes my kids the best people to run my business. Why should some bureaucracy get to decide any different?

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>>135912098
3rd world shit holes with capitalism fail because they aren't white nor do they even have remotely the same principles we have in the west.

Also since when are leftist shitstain politicians that use masked marxist ideology 'Capitalist Theorists' You are mentally deficient.

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>>135912944
What a good, well constructed counter argument.

>>135882785
I will say it again. Its private property and not the property of the state or other individuals. Therefore.. i can do as I wish. Fuck off

>>135913198

Everything in that image is 100% true and it's a decent argument as to why Capitalism isn't working, or at the very least, working properly.

But why the fuck does that make you think that Communism WOULD work?

Are you so simple that you really see it as a binary choice between these two systems?

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>>135913143
No they fail because they have capitalism, except they're on the exploited end.

>>135913091
Don't waste your time trying to make sense of these commie faggot "arguments". There's no saving these dumbfucks. Just kill them all after they start the next civil war. Anything else is an exercise in futility.

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>>135913682
>Workers own the means of production
>Capitalist own the means of production
What alternative is there? I'm open to other ideas which is why I even embraced ML in the first place

>>135914065
>Frustrated and out of arguments
Kek

>>135913682
Most of people are like that though.
Marxism got many of things right, but Marx was superficial when it came to proposing what to do, and that gap was filled by snake oil salesmen and extremists, and then distilled to masses like a religion.
Overwhelming majority of communists never read Marx or alternatively failed to understand Marx, let alone those who added and improved on his work.

>>135913198
>poverty related causes

Fuck off idiot that could literally mean anything. Nothing more than meaningless commie propaganda.

It's funny too because if you ever got your commie wishes, they would line you up and shoot you with the rest of us.

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>>135913091
Owing and passing on a family business is vastly different then enabling a family to produce unending shitstain scions.
And good on you with the business anon

>>135913384
>argue with communists

There is nothing to argue about dumbass. The proof is in the pudding.

>>135914400
None of you pussies responded to the guy I responded to, because he makes a valid point and you got nuthin'. Just quit being a bunch of complete fucking faggots and get your little revolution going already. I won't be baited into your commie bullshit.

>>135914844
Yeah but Sovietboos which are majority of commies want to ban you from doing business (unless it's very small or with the state).
Which makes no sense. A small family business and a multinational corporation aren't same class in practice.

>>135882785
Why do trolls always get 200+ replies on /pol/?

>>135915301
Because this is nothing more than a trolling board.

I'm not a Nazi in fact I know some Jews and they are amazing people. However I have multiple times stated on this board that I am a hardcore Nazi. It's just shit posts.

>>135915301
But he asked a good question. One side always says resources are limited, and that's correct.
But so is time.

>>135882785
You see, somewhere in Jacks family, they worked their fucking ass off to get there

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>>135882785
>if it is a system based on meritocracy

It's not, it's based on private property and voluntary exchange.

Obstructing inheritance would undermine property rights, and would be a nightmare to enforce - people will keep looking for ways to use their wealth that will benefit their descendants. It would generate the mother of all black markets.

And you can't ensure meritocracy through wealth redistribution anyway. People are born with different genetics, in different family environments, in different kinds of societies - the combination of these "unearned" factors can limit or benefit a person just as much as material wealth. The nature of the universe dooms us to having unfairly unequal life experiences.

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>>135915558
Old meme

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>>135915643
>Just give up

>>135915643
Nature of universe also "doomed" us to roam around and kill animals with rocks, but we went to the Moon. "Nature" is a terrible argument. Just because you lack imagination doesn't mean there is no answer, or that humans and their groups don't evolve.

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>>135882785
It's his families wealth and he's allowed to be given it by the Owner of sed wealth. That's why it's called a will.

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>>135914833
Farmers burn food and throw food away when it could be used to feed people. 40% of bananas for example are simply tossed out

>>135916697
>Not having life insurance and only one of them jumping

>>135916697
Russia before collectivization was an exporter of grain.
Russia during USSR had to import grain from USA.

>>135912073
Venezuela is capitalist

>>135887328
Agree with you Anon!

>>135882785
>What Jack the Scumbag did to deserve millions inherited from his family?

You are looking at it backwards. Jack the Scumbags family earned the money somehow and it is their right to spend it however they wish.

>>135887832
But if you are poor you have an opportunity to grow. Who cares If you are born rich and get things. They are not necessarily granted, you still have to work to keep it. Trust me, it easier to kee it and not fuck up.

>>135917120
Did they just earn it alone, in a void?

>>135882785
Stop being a jealous little faggot, you fucking faggot.

>>135888177
All the countries that have communism as an economic system are fucked. One thing is to have leftist social policies and another different thing is to drive the economy based on a communist system.

>>135916697
With the money you pay for your internet connection you could feed a couple homeless people every month.

But I bet you don't you hypocrite commie pinko scum.

>>135917275
They earned it within a system that promised to secure the rights of private property, and must be held accountable for delivering on it's promises.

>>135882785
providing for one's offspring is one of the main drivers for continuous wealth accumulation
perhaps that's strange to hippies, idk
capitalism respects private property, you must be thinking of communists

>>135917275
No but they were smarter or more prepared than others to create the wealth!

>he will always have those millions.

You see, this is the complacency I was talking about from socialists.

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>>135913198
>useless people are starving
>useless people are homeless

Capitalism is working perfectly.

>>135917120
They earned, Jack did not
Giving it all to Jack is unfair so the best option is to split over the community

>>135917182
People told me there are no granted meritocracy, so I can be a hardworking guy the rest of my life and continuing to be poor.

>>135918192
May be, but you can also be smart come up with a good idea and market it properly. As long as the market has a need for what you are offering and there is a demand then you can make money out of it. Reinvest it and create wealth. If your premise is based solely on the corporate way to achieve wealth then you may be right. You will still be poor.

>>135918192
>unfair
private property is not about fairness
inheritence is carried out according to the wishes of the deceased property owner
no "commune" has any claim over said property

>>135918559
Tesla invented electricity and died poor in a small apartment
Not granted either

>>135882785
>What Jack the Scumbag did to deserve millions inherited from his family?
Better question, what did you?

>>135882785
>What Jack the Scumbag did to deserve millions inherited from his family?
What did Jacks parents do to no longer be allowed to decide what to do with their money?
>Nepotism
If it works it works. If it doesnt they lose the farm.
>Why is property inheritance allowed under capitalism if it is a system based on meritocracy?
Oh wait you are starting from a flawed assumption and running with it because it makes your argument less retarded