Why are "philosophers" so greedy?

explain?
How does gaining money make one greddy?

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Sweetie please

What are you on about kiddo?

People are VOLUNTEERING this money.

>>135876479

Are you mad because if you asked for money no one would give it to you because you're an unintelligent, uncharismatic loser with nothing interesting to say?

Meanwhile I'm living on about $4000/year. What a wonderful world.

>>135876479
Peterson literally never plugs his patreon or asks for donations.

>>135876479

He's not a philosopher. He's an educator and a research scientist first. Sure, he's dabbled in some philosophy as well, but he admits freely that his work is mainly derivative and nothing new. It's more like he's summarizing what others have concluded long before him.

>>135876762
Sort yourself

>>135876762
And what are you doing that makes you worth 55 grand a month?

>>135876479
/pol/ is seeing a lot of these "E-celebs are greedy, they take all your money" threads. Yesterday went for H3h3, then molymeme, now Jordan Peterson

SAGE
SAGE
SAGE

FUCK OFF LEFTY POL

>>135876762
Let me just count real quick how much I'm living on, to make you feel better.
Okay, sorry, it didn't work, it's actually $5000.

>>135876601
>>135876667
>>135876730
Do you really believe its acceptable for someone to earn 660k a year and have aspirations for double that just for making videos?

>>135877310
he is planning to start an online university with that money.

>>135877310
Who are you to say it's not acceptable? He's not steaaling the money, people are giving it to him voluntarily

>>135877310
Yes. I'm not a communist. Why aren't you whining about useless cunts like the Kardashians making millions? They deserve their money about 100000000x less than Peterson.

>>135877077
Peterson shouldn't be worth 55 grand a month. Thats the point. Stefan Molyneux is the same, has a net worth of at least 2 million because he's manipulated his audience into giving him their shekels.

>>135876479
sage

>>135876762

Maybe you should let Dr Peterson explain why this is so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsRLVZTYpGo

>>135876479
There are loads of people who use Patreon. They're not all greedy. Got a problem that some particular person does it and it bothers you. Go see a therapist about it.

>>135876479
>greedy
>uploads stuff for free on youtube
>wants to start internet college
People want to show appreciation for his work. It's how true capitalism works, ingsoc.

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>>135876479
Yeah! At least he could try and sell something useful! Like maybe...
A water filter that takes out the chemicals that ARE TURNING OUR FROGS GAY!

>>135877487
Well, if you want shekels, you can also manipulate people into giving them to you. And if you don't want shekels then why are you mad about other people having them. I don't see anything but fair play here.

>>135877487
Fuck off commie and stop being jealous that people are making more money than you while working less, it means they're smarter than you

>>135877487
>Peterson shouldn't be worth 55 grand a month
Who are you to say that?

>>135877487

You dont have a point. Why shouldnt Peterson get 55k a month for what he does? People could watch all of his videos for free yet they still choose to donate.

>>135876479
i've gained more from Peterson's uploaded content than I have from the majority of things I buy in the store. There's value in what guys like him offer whether it appeals to you or not. You're probably a brainlet anyway, in the 105 IQ range, you have a cursory understanding of what he talks about and what his goals are and you want to pass judgement because it's not going to benefit you personally

>>135877310
Arent you all for free market my brit friend? Hes paid by people willingly and as normal economists teach us - a product only worth's comes from people who desire it. And its actually kinda awesome that a guy like Peterson can be so succesfull financially, in the capitalist shit world wealthiest ones are usually singers/sportsmen/LET'S PLAYERS and other scum, so an actual scientist earning that kind of money is great.

>>135877310

Not just acceptable.

It's GOOD.

People should get paid more to assblast commies like you.

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>>135876479
>let me read you Wikipedia pages on how bad socialism and post modernism are and then publicly argue that truth is whatever useful to you and that objective reality doesn't really exist outside of human perception, not realizing that this is a complete deconstruction of truth in the best traditions of every postmodernist and almost direct quotation of O'Brien from 1984 when he tortured Winston and tried to convince him that reality is what party says it is

>>135877379
this is exciting

>>135877310
This is the same shit as the Berniebros donating millions, he's just taking advantage of the situation

so sick of leftypol's tactics. don't they realize they can't meme people into believing their failed ideology? it would never be able to take hold on a no holds barred forum.

they can't meme telling the truth out of being a profitable profession, either. there would be nothing wrong with peterson taking all that money for himself, and yet he's actually going to be doing something with it.

the political pundits of the left are given far more for their propaganda, despite preaching that wealth should be redistributed
>no matter what I or you say, this leftypol faggot will be back tomorrow with yet another thread talking about how lauren southern is jewish or styx is over because he had one wrong opinion

>paying someone to misread Jung, Foucault and Derrida among others for you
Could this be the ultimate cuckoldry?

Wheres the greed? Nobody made those people pay that.

>>135878057
Making his "goal" 100k when he already gets 660k a year is the greed.

>>135878022
Good thing he misread them since its not actual science, but just a fake fucking constructs that only exist in an imaginary world.

>>135876479

>Implying there's any in XXI

Shieet, pajet. You should know very well that philosophers died last century.

Now they are massive faggots with a degree title desu

>>135878088

Again, nobody is making anyone pay that.

>>135876479
Did he just get a $5000 jump when his Youtube channel got locked for a few hours by mistkae?

>>135878022
>misread

Since you purport to have a better understanding of them than the popular doctor, perhaps you could direct us to whatever you've written on the subject already. I'd (unironically, in spite of my tone) be very interested in reading you. Perhaps a few essays or even a book? If you haven't written anything yet, perhaps you've something in the works?

>>135878022

I can't help but notice you've provided no interpretation of your own.

At least he is putting that money to good use
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojYmFNbUhek

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>55k
He's a good professor and educator but I do feel that's a bit too much since it relies on his goodwill to continue making stuff instead of retiring.
Good on him though.

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>fifty five thousand dollars a month to make videos
The absolute state of capitalism

>>135877310
He's making money off rural and suburban retards. You can do it too if you work hard enough.

>>135877909
Your good post is wasted on these drones.

>>135876479
I'm delighted that he is making money. He's amazing. If you disagree you are a faggot that isn't convincing so stop trying and get a real job. Dr. Peterson has several of them.

>>135878294
there are let's players that make more

>>135877310
How do you feel about the actors that make millions by doing shitty movies?

>>135878226
by "mistake"

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>>135876644

>>135878243
>>135878244
I haven't written anything on them. If you're interested in the people he's talking about, you should read the primary sources instead of paying someone else "read" them for you.

>>135878416
I don't know if they've made a statement yet, but this looks like the Google AI auto-banned him after some reports wave or something.

>>135878264

He went farther into the future here, explaining what he's going to do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaKl4yO8HAA

deserves it, now sort yourself out lad

>>135876479
He's aiming to setup a University online.

>>135878401
one is entertainment, one is education.

back to leftypol

I hope you realize that a correct understanding of marxism is about as useful as a correct understanding of politics on middle earth. you dedicated your entire formal education to a fantasy

>>135878265
He's not planning on retiring. He is starting a scam university to rip these retards off for good.

>>135878518
"education"

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>>135876479
Called it when he was at $45,000, it's a scam.

>>135878452

Thanks for your concern but me listening to someone talk about something isn't mutually exclusive to me having experienced that thing for myself.

>>135878452

I do read.

But I take issue with people who just blurt out stuff like you just did, without any substance to what they say. If you have a contention, then spell it out.

>>135876479
Fuck off, you socialist piece of shit.

>>135878608
>>135878577

Wheres the scam?

>>135878577
Whatever, retards who give the money deserve to be taught a lesson.
Nevertheless I enjoy(ed) his free videos/lectures.

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>>135876479
at least he is not the leader of some crazy cult

Can we stop this logic of "anyone who criticizes capitalism is from leftypol or a communist"? It's just not true. I'm glad Peterson is actually going to invest the money in something beneficial to others. It just seems ridiculous to me that through donations alone he recieves so much.

>stop making money REEEEEEEEEE
I adore Peterson and I haven't given him a single dime on patreon. He actually puts that money to use. His lecture videos have top tier production quality thanks to this.

>>135878577
you are literally from leftypol

why do you come here? do you honestly think this will work? you had to create your own forum specifically for your leftism because you couldn't stop what organically took root here from survival of the fittest

his education is far better than what your marxist professor told you. he has all the credentials, and yet to you he's a faker because he holds the wrong views. your time is limited.

>>135878724
>It just seems ridiculous to me that through donations alone he recieves so much.
Why? Envious?

I think most people would be greedy if they stumbled into an audience of gullible suckers like he did

>>135878781
He's projecting.

>>135878724
>It just seems ridiculous to me that through donations alone he recieves so much.
Maybe people are actually grateful to the guy for changing their life? if you go to every single youtube comment section on his video you'd understand what I'm talking about.

I'm a poor student and I've never donated to anything or anyone but If I had the money I'd give him 5 bucks x month easily.

>>135878657
>$55,000 a month
>$55,000
>a month

how is not obvious to you?

>>135876479
who would've thought starting an online university to compete with the (((educational shitshow))) we have today would cost money?

Obvious shill
Sage
They do this to every "e-celeb". It's not even about character assassination, it's probably more to do with fracturing our movement in general.

>>135878724
donations are the new model for entertainment profits, considering how leftists control advertising with their boycotting propaganda

it is far preferable to earn your money from people who enjoy your content paying you to make more than it is to run ads for unrelated things that just annoy people. one is a direct system, one is an indirect system that serves no purpose other than forcing the source of profits to be saturated throughout a much larger population of people who mainly would never pay you directly

>>135877310
Yes because I'm not a communist. I have no problem with people earning money through work and people buying the products or services they offer

>>135878781
bingo. the root of all marxist thought. Envy and nihilism.

>>135878889

How is getting paid a scam?

I believe in free enterprise

I am not a Communist.

>>135878724
So why are you criticizing him and not the people that donated?

>>135876479
>"hey if you like my content here's my Patreon"
>people give tens of thousands of dollars to support more content on their own volition
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

This is an infinitely better model for public figures, Podcasters, and the like because they are both free from advertisers and the market has been allowed to freely (as Patreon allows) place a value on what they have to say. With Patreon you have JBP making 50k a month to discuss self improvement, with the dinosaur media you have Megyn Kelly being paid 1.25mil to interview trannies and do their advertiser's bidding.

>>135878916
character assassination is a means to the end of fracturing our movement.

they want every alt-right/light personality to be poor, irrelevant and reviled. it's just an extension of them going after advertisers or spam calling employers to tell them that their workers are racist sexists.

aside from attacking patreon directly which worked with lauren southern, this is the only method they have to take on donations

>>135878954
Do you really need me to be your dictionary?

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>>135876479
Clearly another attack from leftypol

>>135879041

Go for it, I'd love to hear your explanation.

>>135877310
>I'm upset at someone else making loads of money because people are dumb enough to watch his videos for free and then pay him
Jesus fucking shinji.

>>135876762
Clean your room then neet

>>135876479

Why are you so nervous about this guy getting exposure? How does he threaten you?

>>135877310
>Do you really believe its acceptable for someone to earn 660k a year and have aspirations for double that just for making videos?
Yes. Do you believe it is OK for someone to earn hundreds of millions for bribing politicians to let them crash the economy and receive a bailout?

That money is little compared to the value he is producing. Go complain about basketball players and investment bankers making millions.

>>135879041
Thanks to people throwing money at him I and thousands of other people can enjoy his great content for free. How is it a scam if I am not even paying anything? Commie fuck.

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Wow, it's yet another character assassination and communist upset that people make money, even if it's purely voluntary donations.

>>135879041
>be person who offers service/product
>people enjoy your service/product and decide out of their free will to pay for it
>THIS IS A FUCKING SCAM!!!
Btw I never gave him a cent, but I enjoy his videos. What's wrong with people donating? Would you object to people donating to Bernie (who then ended up buying a villa on a lake with donations, but that's another topic)

>>135877092
Molymeme is enough of an autistic melodramatic twat to get tiresome even without a smear campaign but yeah, the leftypol shilling is pretty blatant these days.

>>135876479
How asshurt are you knowing that you'll never make that kind of money from talking.

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>>135879104
The verb section is what JBP is doing.

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The ineffectiveness of these leftycucks is through the roof.
>>135876479 (OP)

>>135879211
Never watched one of his videos, but they've been recommended for me since forever, but even the video titles make me cringe.

>>135879229

How?

>>135877859
>in the capitalist shit world wealthiest ones are usually singers/sportsmen/LET'S PLAYERS
It's actually the finance guys who make the big bucks. That is how the Rothchild made their money, and they were the main contributors to the Clintons after Bill got out of office.

>>135879229
>leftypol cropping skills
no wonder you can't meme

>>135878916
What world do these people live in where petty bitching and displays of envy and jealousy equal compelling rebuttals? Some hell world? Who would say that a Doctor of Philosophy who works a half dozen jobs and creates meaningful things for thousands of people doesn't deserve his income?

>>135877890
Your ok for a leaf>>135878577
It's most likely going to be free

>>135877310
Well, he is risking his own career. It ended up being profitable, but how many academics do you see taking the risk and standing for controversal values and ideas?

>>135879229
producing and releasing free content is a next level scamming tactics.

>>135879275
Jesus this is my last response to you. Through the donations, through patreon, for 55,000 a month. That's fucking how you simpleton.

>>135879275
>expecting an answer
>on /pol/

You must be new.

>>135877092
Nigger e-celeb status is cancer, how many of these guys are red pilled? How many are probably just playing a role.

Maybe you should get a piece by trashing communism and pronouns then.

>>135877909
You don't know shit about Peterson if you think he is a postmodernist. He is essentially a post-post modernist. He came up with a meta-meta narrative that post-modernism can't deconstruct.

>>135879376

Yeah he gets donations, wheres the scam?

>>135879376
Is he forcing people to do that in any way? He just uploads free videos and has a page where people can donate if they want to. How is it a scam?
I've been watching his videos for a while and never donated a cent. Seems a bit ineffective for a scam

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Patreon and services like it are some of the best ways to subsidize content on the internet. It's citizens giving you money directly in exchange for content, no producer/boss there to influence what you can or can't put in your content. No need to cater to advertisers. All streamlined without needing some "Donate" button on your site. No need to invest before you find out what you get like KS.

Also, Jordan Peterson posted about 6 hrs ago that his YouTube and Google accounts were locked only to become unlocked hours later with no explanation. So it's clear they're going after him hard now.

>>135879247
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Does anyone even like The Zionist anymore? Trump was funny for a while and better the Hillary, but he is still globalist shit.

>>135876479
A requirement for being greedy is that you are forcing (or heavily encouraging) people to give you money.
No one is forced to give money to his patreon.

>>135877310
So what?
I believe people deserve that which others are willing to pay for.
It is not on me (and neither is it on you) to judge how much someone is willing to give fora product or as charity.

>>135879376
Fuck you're a dumb cunt.

>>135878617
Have you read any of the people Peterson talks about? If you have, why haven't you realized that Peterson himself probably either hasn't read any of them, or purposefully misreads them to get an audience of gullible retards to rip off?

>>135878621
>If you have a contention, then spell it out.
In one of his videos Peterson makes the claim that Derrida's concept of "phallogocentrism" means that postmodernists don't believe in logic, because "logos" means logic.

>He is head trickster for the postmodernist movement, and he regarded Western culture -- let's call it the patriarchy -- as phallogocentric. ...
>So here's what the postmodernists believe: They don't believe in the individual. That's the logos. Remember, Western culture is Phallogocentric. Logo is logos. That's partly the Christian word, but is also partly the root word of logic.
>Okay, they don't believe in logic.
>They believe that logic is part of the process by which the patriarchal institutions of the West continue to dominate and to justify their dominance. They don't believe in dialogue. The root word of dialogue is logos -- again, they don't believe that people of good will can come to consensus through the exchange of ideas. They believe that that notion is part of the philosophical substructure and practices of the dominant culture.

If you had ever read Derrida or his concept of phallogocentrism, you would know that this is a completely insane ramble about something that has nothing to do with the concept. He's entirely basing "postmodernists don't believe in logic" on the fact that a word has "logos" in it and that it means logic. Not to mention that that "logos" in phallogocentrism is actually from logocentrism. It's completely incoherent.

His reading of Jung's collective unconscious is also absolutely fucking retarded. If you want to know why, just ask. I couldn't fit the explanation in this one post.

>>135878741
>you are literally from leftypol
I actually dropped by from /lit/.

>>135876479
Why are /pol/acks envious?

>>135879376
>people life got better watching his FREE videos
>people decide to donate money to thank him

Damn that's a pretty crafty scam

>>135879376
>have skills
>use skills to provide service to tens of millions of people
>receive money
Are you mad at Peterson or are you mad at capitalism?

>>135879376
>people paying for stuff I don't like is now a scam

>>135876479
i´m pretty sure there are people that draw pedophile shemale incest porn or even more degenerate shit and get just as much or even more on patreon.
no issue with peterson here

The free-marketplace of ideas in action! You low-IQ haters are just mad because your ideas will never gain this much attention or attraction. You should however, aim to overcome your inferiority complex and recognize your master, it will make you feel better about yourself too.

By the way he's not a psychologist, not a philosopher

>>135879599
I'm going to donate $5 to jordan peterson everytime you bitch about him

>>135879599
>If you want to know why, just ask. I couldn't fit the explanation in this one post.
How? It's pretty much in line with Campbell, isn't it? Also please Derrida actually means by "phallogocentrism". Your post is nothing except "peterson is wrong because I say so", but you don't bring any counterpoints. Please explain how he strawmans Derrida.

>>135879599

You keep saying he misinterprets them but fail to provide any evidence of such.

>>135878441
chapo trap house listener. you faggots are cancerous and uncool

>>135879762
Psychology is a natural progression from philosophy.

>>135877310
I think he should be forced to give some of it back.
>>135877696
The people.
>>135878452
Wrong. the people can't understand great minds like Derrida without Marxist philosophers to guide their interpretation.
>>135879180
Fuck you, fascist kraut.
>>135879203
Why isn't Milo in that picture? Oh wait :^)
>>135879466
You just don't fucking get it, do you?
>>135879454
Deconstruct your face, kraut. Marx was right about you.

And don't criticize my reading of Marx, I learned Russian to read him in the original.

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>>135879599
>I actually dropped by from /lit/.
>/lit/
>/leftypol/

Same fucking thing.

>>135879599
>Have you read any of the people Peterson talks about? If you have, why haven't you realized that Peterson himself probably either hasn't read any of them, or purposefully misreads them to get an audience of gullible retards to rip off?
Yes I have and HE heavily encourage people to read them for themselves pretty much in any other video.
Did you actually read them?

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>>135879376
how autistic can you get ?

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I do this of my own free will because I find his work valuable and enjoyable.

>>135879854
>>I think he should be forced to give some of it back.

Thats SO commie!

>>135876479


JORDAN PETERSON IS A SHAREBLUE SHILL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-wfY5VcBoo

Wow really makes u think, I don't understand how you faggots keep jerking him off.
Gotta make that 600k patreon shekels a year + 200k autism bucks from THE GREATEST SCIENCE IN THE WORLD!!! PSYCHOLOGY!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzO216m5Mkw

Juden Peterson is a crypto kike and you goys know it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlqgOAuGzOI

VIDEO PROOF THAT JORDAN PETERSON VERBALLY ABUSES HIS COWORKERS AT THE NIGERIAN STATE UNIVESITY!!!!!!!!

>>135879835
Typical post-modernist deflection tactics desu.

>>135879854
>And don't criticize my reading of Marx, I learned Russian to read him in the original.
Too obvious.

>>135879274
He can be amusing in moderation but he's like a louder older version of that annoying kid from high school who thinks he can out-debate anyone with his autism and some snark. It's really somewhat baffling that he became as popular as he did being the way he is but that just goes to show how desperate people are for anything resembling an authoritative father figure these days.

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>>135877092
This.

The left is soulless corporate garbage and no one but brainwashed teens, low IQ minorities on the take, and elderly spinster cat ladies take them seriously.

So they trying to take down any dissent to their Social Religion. Fuck them

>>135877310
Yes, you fucking commie bastard.

Thanks for reminding me to set up a regular monthly payment OP!

I just started a new job and my income has tripled so I can easily afford it now. I was working a shitty job after finishing University and JBP really helped me through the demoralising process of applying for ~60 jobs and only getting one interview (before the one I had recently and got).

>>135879599
to achieve a correct understanding of these concepts, to you, you need to buy into them entirely, which is what you really want people to do

your "understanding" is grounded in a leftist echo chamber where everyone agrees with you. this is like saying people who say communism has been tried don't understand communism

it's not that they don't understand, it's that you set up a great long circular argument where you're always right by definition and they correctly pointed out that you're not

patreon revenue is fucking insane for just about anything

>>135877310
He doesn't have any of my dollars so why would I give a fuck?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaKl4yO8HAA

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>>135879841
>white supremacist
>defends judeo b peterson
senpai...

>>135879946
>Too obvious.
I know Germans only have one book (Mein Kampf) but some of us put some value in being good educated.

>there are retards who give money to ecelebs
wtf

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>>135880057
You just reminded me of these furryfags:

https://www.patreon.com/yiffalicious
https://www.patreon.com/fek

Think I'm gonna go puke.

>>135879599
>postmodernists don't believe in logic

From my own observations, there seems to be truth to this though. I think you've missed the point of his message entirely.

>>135878298
>Gets most of his money from academics and graduates who are pissed off at the system
>People still use the "rural and suburban retards" meme

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>>135876479
Hey, sort yourself out. Pic related.

>>135880177
Do you think you are fooling anyone with your reddit tier bait?

>>135880177
dude.. good bait, really
but you can stop now

>>135879854
This post inspired me to become a $5 a month regular donator. I want to buy his self authoring course. Can you post another criticism of him so I can be inspired to treat myself to that too?

>>135880177
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 0.8/8

>>135879689
What skill does he have?

>>135880210
Seems like a good way to redistribute money from degenerates, makes me want to start doing some art. Where are furries getting all their money from anyway? They spend thousands on stuff like fursuits and furry porn. It's bizarre.

>>135880352
Go watch his lectures and find out

Money is supposed to be a paper sign of the value of the goods you produce so that it's easyer to exchange goods.

Someone that makes shoes is more useful than this e-celeb shill.
I seriously hate the world. People work their ass to produce recourses and actors and people that do nothing all day get the rewards.
Humanity was a mistake I want an asteroid to wipe everything.

>>135880151
He is a gateway pill to the real red pills. Chapo trap house is basically the end of the road for your kind and it really leads to no where.

also why are you on here? pol isn't for your kind.

>>135879772
It's your money. I don't particularly care about the fact that Peterson makes money as long as I get to point out that you're fucking retarded.

>>135879828
>>135879835
>Your post is nothing except "peterson is wrong because I say so"
I'm saying he's wrong because his entire argument rests of fucking ETYMOLOGY. He says that postmodernists don't believe in logic because they criticize phallogocentrism and that "logos" means logic. That's the entire argument. It's just that "logos" in philosophy or the word "logocentrism" isn't a stand-in for logic, though, and even if it was, that wouldn't mean "postmodernists don't believe in logic".

See http://14.139.206.50:8080/jspui/bitstream/1/1875/1/Derrida, Jacques - Writing and Difference.pdf if you're actually interested in the concept of phallogocentrism.

>>135880222
I don't particularly care if it's the truth or not. It just doesn't follow from his "argument". If he wanted to make that point, he might want to rephrase it as to not sound fucking braindead. Anyone with even the tiniest sense of critical thought beyond "he said something that I agree with, so it must be true" could see that his point is completely braindead.

>>135880057
I've got some friends who are product engineers and they make keyboard cover type things (I can never remember what they are called)and get like 5k a month through patreon.

They also cleared like 25k profit on fancy expensive fidget spinners. Both of them also have full time jobs in their field so are just rolling in money.

>>135876479
why are shills so obvious?

>>135880254
>>135880265
butthurt krauts fear the truth

>>135876479
The struggle to produce something useful makes one hungry

>>135876479
In all fairness Jordan travels so much he probably uses most of that on airplanes and hotels monthly

>>135880430
seriously nu/pol/, fuck off

if I want to hate someone for being israel's bitch, I'm going to do it

>>135880431
Anon, they aren't interested in these concepts. Trust me as a fellow reader of Derrida, you are speaking to the wrong crowd. Also I took peterson course IRL while studying at U of T. He was a departmental hack then. The psych department does legit real research, all he does in his bird course is offer an systemized interpretation of things as bad of what lacan or freud would do.

>>135880352
?
He's a clinical psychologist, a professor and technically an activist. He's also extremely well read. And he's uploaded over 400 hours of free material on Youtube

>>135879993
>to achieve a correct understanding of these concepts, to you, you need to buy into them entirely, which is what you really want people to do
You don't have to buy into them. You could always just not outright lie about them. Maybe Peterson realized that he wouldn't gain a massive internet following of cult-like retards willing to throw their money at him by posting honest critiques.

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>>135878452
I've read Deridda's "Of Grammatology". Pure fucking cancer. After a certain point, it's useless to try to understand what are they trying to say. Because they themselves have little clue. What helps is looking at what kind of people the french post-modernists were. Take Foucault for example:
>a closeted homosexual for a long time
>comes from a long line of wealthy doctors, but he's down with the proletariat, fo sho
>lazy faggot, who sure did like to spend daddy's money on traveling
>hated psychiatrists with a passion, because "they were to stupid to realize his genius and muh power structures"
>self-harming
>and since he has french, hated americans with even greater passion
>and of course he was a cool celebrity intellectual who loved the spotlight

Why is Thomas Sowell so right on these faggots?

>>135880431
AND NOW HE MADE MORE. How does it feel to call other people retarded only to make them wealthier? Seems counter productive. If you want to cut into his income I would think a better strategy would be to STFU.

>>135880405

I did, he is making conclusions that anybody who has common sense can make. Ofc he is right whne he's saying social sciences are a scam.

But he's a part of it. He doesn't offer any solutions, he just keeps talking, without offering any actual value.

>>135880431

I'm quite certain you've misread Peterson somewhere because he never said logos means logic, he says it means dialogue, which is true. Anyway feel free to provide that evidence whenever you're ready, so far you're doing a terrible job of providing a counterargument to Dr. Peterson.

>>135876479
accepting donations are their way of gauging their value to society, donate!

Donate to Stefan Molyneux too, his analysis on current events are great.

>>135880558
how the fuck can you call anyone nu/pol/ when you listen to chapo traphouse? this place isn't for you. why aren't you hanging with your brosocialist pals on reddit? No one takes you seriously here. You will just be ignored or trolled for our amusement.

>>135880627
It's time to donate another $5. You're retarded and Peterson is wrong about literally anything.

>>135876790
This, I was going to kick him a few bucks thinking he was likely not making more than 1 or 2 thou, but decided he was doing fine. If he wants to start a uni, that is cool though

>>135880665
>>Logo is logos. That's partly the Christian word, but is also partly the root word of logic.

>>135880665
Are you a social scientist? What do you have to offer?
What does Peterson have to offer?

It's nice to see somebody in the social sciences not being a lefty cuck, but he still doesn't offer anything. Jung is almost 200 years old and nothing new or spectacular.

>>135880431
>He says that postmodernists don't believe in logic because they criticize phallogocentrism and that "logos" means logic. That's the entire argument.
No it fucking isn't. How about you actually read Peterson's work instead of strawmanning it? You know, the exact same thing you accuse him of doing? His criticism of post-modernism goes far deeper than that. Peterson believes in the redemptive quality of narratives and meta narratives and in objective truth and morality.

>>135880573
>Also I took peterson course IRL while studying at U of T. He was a departmental hack then.
Seems hard to belive, desu.

>>135880630
>He doesn't offer any solutions,
LOL

>>135880431
being "interested" in the concept of "phallogocentrism" is like being "interested" in the concept of the patriarchy.

good job watching a couple of minutes of his videos and deciding he didn't do your bullshit feminist theory justice

>>135880409
for anyone making a large amount of money off x you can find a large group of people saying x isn't "worth" that, like there's some inherent worth of things that they personally get to decide. you don't get to decide that. you only get to decide what things are worth to you personally.

he earned that money, simple as that. if you dislike it, then why don't you try to make millions producing something you see as worthless? it must be easy, right?

Most of the anon here get butthurt about someone questioning the 55k pay? It's like they only the defend it because it is a pop phil guy like Peterson.

Bet they also defend twitch and prostitution and drug trafficking, right? Hey, whatever that makes bucks in capitalist regime is good, no?

Hypocrite cancer

>>135877487
Yes, only the Kardashians should be paid to entertain us.

>>135880795

Why can't you answer this simple question? What does Peterson offer to his students?

If they learn that social sciences are a scam : it means he is scamming them as well.

If he teaches them something that makes them valuable to society, what is it ?

>>135880573
but trolling people who appreciate someone who is obviously more skilled and successful than you betrays your little charade of being above him. I mean do you think he's trolling message boards for sheckles right now or do you think he's probably putting his superior brain to work towards productive ends?

>>135880795
Let's go through his argument again, then.

>He is head trickster for the postmodernist movement, and he regarded Western culture -- let's call it the patriarchy -- as phallogocentric. ...
>So here's what the postmodernists believe: They don't believe in the individual. That's the logos. Remember, Western culture is Phallogocentric. Logo is logos. That's partly the Christian word, but is also partly the root word of logic.
>Okay, they don't believe in logic.
>They believe that logic is part of the process by which the patriarchal institutions of the West continue to dominate and to justify their dominance. They don't believe in dialogue. The root word of dialogue is logos -- again, they don't believe that people of good will can come to consensus through the exchange of ideas. They believe that that notion is part of the philosophical substructure and practices of the dominant culture.

Why did he conclude that postmodernists don't believe in logic, here? What do you think is his argument based on this?

>>135879599

I will read Derrida on my own, though I'm not looking forward to it. But for now, others' interpretations of him will do. And your contention seems to boil down to
>this is a completely insane ramble about something that has nothing to do with the concept
and that does little to enrich my current understanding of it. What Peterson says, and what I've heard others say before, does make sense to me however. Certainly in light of many of the apparent manifestations of these post-modern ideas. Though I would agree that the excerpt you've provided here isn't a satisfactory exploration of the relationships that Peterson claims to be valid.

>>135880431

I don't think his entire argument rests upon etymology in fact, though I suppose he may have provided that as evidence in that particular talk (where is it from?), as a way of getting people to pay attention. And actually, I do think words and where they come from matter, for reasons with which you seem to be somewhat familiar already. I think you're misrepresenting him pretty grossly ultimately, or in the very least you've only picked something rather superficial.

>>135877310
Michael Jordan made over a billion for dribbling a basketball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6MZ5-KCT3g

A nasty tweet will go a long way.

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What the fuck is up with the communists lately. You should be looking up these people, learning from them, and trying to be as succesfull as them. They came out on top in the extremely competitive environment that is life, found an unexploited market and used their knowledge and skills to succeed.
Why try to bring them down, when they've properly won over the system, they deserve every penny they earn.

>>135876762
I wish I had that much yearly income.

>>135880630
You probably won't but if you read maps of meaning you'll understand where he is coming from a lot more.

Like he says all the time that he is trying to articulate knowledge right now about what to do now and that's the reason why he's basically taken the rest of the year off to just finish the bible series, co-ordinate the open university stuff and just think.

>>135880712
>Logo is logos. That's partly the Christian word, but is also partly the root word of logic.
What's your point, it absolutely is, it came from the greek. Linguistically it's a 100% correct statement, diachronically speaking.

>>135880879
even if you assume that he offers nothing new, there is value in being a communicator.

richard dawkins is more famous for his communication than for any theory he personally advanced. the same goes with idols of the left like neil degrasse tyson and bill nye, especially bill nye

pompous intellectuals who spend their days insulting people they perceive as beneath them don't understand the value in this, because they have no skill whatsoever in the area, thus it's convenient for them to view it as worthless. they may have all the ideas that they can never communicate because they're too obnoxious and don't have any empathy or understanding of their fellow man

>>135880879
>If they learn that social sciences are a scam

There it is. I was wondering what was making you feel so threatened by him you would want to pull him down. You are mad that your social sciences degree landed you in David Brock's office making pennies while he is soaring high above you. Jealousy is not a productive strategy. It's not too late to turn things around!

>this thread
The fact that there are people who base their entire mindset on writings of a guy from 1800s who shamelessly leeched off his friend. Marx's books should be a laughing stock worldwide but yet there are cultists like this

>>135876479
This man is trying to reform the entire education system of the west and he's earning barely a fraction of what some thot twerking does.

>>135880624
Just because you are too stupid to understand something doesn't mean it is utterly meaningless. I can't understand quantum electrodynamics and I've tried to read many books on it, but I can't make sense of it. Does that mean that the authors have little clue what they are talking about, or perhaps I don't have the assumed knowledge the authors think I would have?

>>135880680
fuck molyjew.

>>135877092
This. Fuck off leftypol
Bunch of fucking idiots

>>135880775
>Jung is almost 200 years old and nothing new or spectacular.
>almost 200 years old
>nothing spectacular

please actually read some of his work

>>135880624
I also read it and you must be a real numb skull to try to attempt it without good background making you understand it. It's influential and an important text. Stop being a baby evaluating the book by the person and not by its text. Or maybe you want to know all the degenerate shit le right wing authors did?

>>135881057
Try reading my posts again.

>>135876479
The struggle to produce something useful makes one hungry

>>135880973
Me fat n happy on communism

>>135880973

>>135880914
The entire point of post-modernism is the rejection of a universal truth or narrative in favor of smaller more subjective personal truths where nobody is right and nobody is wrong either. This is not compatible with logic. Not even one bit. Logic rets on the fact of objectivity and certainty, post-modernism rejects objectivity and certainty, thus post-modernism is kinda rejecting logic itself.

>>135881038

Why are you evading my question? Why can't you give a straight forward answer?

>>135881107

>>135881124

You see, the problem with social scientists is, that they don't actually do anything. You don't create anything.

What skills do you have? Other than talking, can you actually DO something?

The social scientists i have met, top 10 uni worldwide btw, were so horrible at basic sciences, that hearing such people talk about "logic" makes me laugh. They couldn't even prove simple questions from a first year mathematics course.

>>135876479
>people voluntarily donating to someone
>greed
kys and saged faggot

>>135876479
The only "philosophers" I would give the time to day to live in barrels or had 99% of their work burned by Cathcucks several centuries ago.

>>135880884
replied to the wrong post anon, but have a (you)

>>135880795
I doubled majored in human biology and psychology. His course was a third year level bird course.

>>135876479
He's giving back to the community tho, and that online university thing he and some other business/smart dudes are trying to pull together might require funding to be set up properly.

Still though, people with only minute understanding of what he's talking about, what's going on in the world are building a cult around him, and I've noticed his ego's grown just from hearing the types of answer he's giving nowadays. It would be nice if he doesn't make some kind of ideology, nor do people that mindlessly follow him.

It's gonna be a shitshow either way. We're fucked.

>>135881252
>Why can't you give a straight forward answer?
The answer is "Maps of Meaning".

>>135877310

Yes.

>>135881233
How did you get that from

>>He is head trickster for the postmodernist movement, and he regarded Western culture -- let's call it the patriarchy -- as phallogocentric. ...
>So here's what the postmodernists believe: They don't believe in the individual. That's the logos. Remember, Western culture is Phallogocentric. Logo is logos. That's partly the Christian word, but is also partly the root word of logic.
>Okay, they don't believe in logic.
>They believe that logic is part of the process by which the patriarchal institutions of the West continue to dominate and to justify their dominance. They don't believe in dialogue. The root word of dialogue is logos -- again, they don't believe that people of good will can come to consensus through the exchange of ideas. They believe that that notion is part of the philosophical substructure and practices of the dominant culture.

Your argument is just as retarded but just for slightly more subtle reasons than his. Why would you invent an argument for Peterson? Could it be that his own argument doesn't hold up?

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>>135876479
I'm not the biggest fan of e-shilling, but this is purely from donations. Now, do I think that Peterson "deserves" that much money? Well no, but tell that to the people who are voluntarily forking their money over. It's not like he's sitting there demanding that he gets paid 600k/year or whatever it is or he won't post his lectures.

The REAL question is what the hell happened to Peterson's magic hairline?

>>135881186
Ok I skipped the previous one.

You are extrapolating that argument most likely from an interview with Joe Rogan

Yes or no?

>>135881252
You have had interesting experiences I can tell. Tell us more.

>>135876762
Get a job then, fag

>>135877379
....that you have to pay for, right?

>>135880775
It seems to me that the Maps of Meaning stuff is a workable solution to the is/ought problem by using a less strict definition of is and using that to draw oughts from. You might not find it compelling but it is interesting.

You can argue that that's just an application of the American Pragmatists and expansion of Darwin but as a starting point it's been pretty interesting to me.

Plus he uses this as a starting point to integrate a whole bunch of other thinkers and in the end seeing something by standing on the shoulders of giants is the best 99.99999999999999% of us can do

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>135880682
Nu/pol/ pls stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>135881441
It's from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPojltjv4M0

A speech that he has clearly prepared and thought through.

>>135881252
>he thinks social science is just useless entirely
good point, we should all study STEM and leave society for communists to take over. there's no need to bother ourselves with the affairs of other humans, we can just do the research they tell us to and produce the goods they demand

>>135881345

???
Why do you need somebody to tell you what to think ? Is there anything you can do out of your own power, from your own mind? Create anything?


I watched some videos now, and jesus, the people who follow him and are fascinated by him are so because of 3 things:

1. he is good looking 2. he is a good talker 3. he is controversial

>>135876762
Maybe thats all your worth.

>>135877310
A fool and his money are soon parted.

>>135881303
Post proof you actually went to U of T

> Why would you invent an argument for Peterson?
Because I'm not him and I don't believe the exact same things he does, you drone. Also explain why my idea of post-modernism is wrong, you fag.

>>135881482
Go watch his lectures and not his meme videos where he tries to be some sort of activist, jesus christ. Your understanding of his world view is piss poor.

>>135881369

He didn't have to invent an argument for Peterson. All he had to do was point out what the postmodernists are claiming, and that just supports what Peterson is saying.

What does he need $55k per month on top of his salary as a tenured professor for? Uploading youtube videos of his lectures is free

>>135877487
People enjoy his content. They give him money so he makes more content. That's how the market works, you commie fucktard.

>>135877310
I do... if the demand is there than thats what its worth. Stop being a fuckin envious marxist fuck.

>>135881466
>You can argue that that's just an application of the American Pragmatists and expansion of Darwin but as a starting point it's been pretty interesting to me.

It literally isn't. Maps of Meaning builds on the tradition of interpretation established by Jung/frued/lacan. It's an analytical tradition of attempt to, literally, map meaning into things. His first lecture of his course at u of t basically pay lip service to the criticisms and leaves them unaddressed.

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>>135881482
this is what concepts like "phallogocentrism" bring you

just go talk about feminism with your book club and leave us alone

>>135881503

there is no need for that, the issue is, that social scientists nowadays, are completely unnecessary

that includes Peterson

Still yet to hear something, some skill, some ability, something that makes it worth it to spend years of your life listening to that guy, and paying him for it.

Every single student that sits in his course, will end up like every other social scientist.

>>135881575
>1. he is good looking
trying to tell us something?

>>135881607
So now that Peterson says something retarded he's just "trying to be some sort of activist"?

>>135881615
Why didn't Peterson do it himself in the first place? Why did he bring up Derrida, phallogocentrism and etymology?

>>135881622
What do you care. Maybe he wants to buy his kids some toys. He wrote books and shit. He's a consultant. He gives lectures. The dude has jobs on top of making those free videos. Why do you begrudge him anything?

>>135877487
Manipulated... lol. Fuck off dumbass. You are just envious and jealous because you have no fuckin brain.

>>135881462

No. His stated intention is to provide high quality humanist education for free.

>>135881478
Do you understand that nu/pol/ can't be a thing more cancerous than someone who is clearly /leftpol/?

I don't get why you come here. You aren't rustling anyone jimmies, except mine and only because you posted that ugly faggots picture, which 95% of pol have no clue who that literal who is and I only care because I feel the need to know thy enemy.

jew masons schemed up communism and all parties to play goyim.

>>135881575
>he is good looking
really?

>>135881703
>stop pointing out that we're retarded!! this is my echo chamber!!
Don't worry, I'm not a regular here. You can go back to worshipping Daddy soon enough.

>>135881731
useful ability: resisting leftists enforcing by law that you should call them "xer" because today they decided they're going to be a genderfluid demi-sexual

>>135881770
It is pretty obvious that the content he produces is not worth £55k per month. It seems possible that he has been controversial on purpose in order to raise this amount of money

>>135877310
what are you a fucking jealous commie

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>>135881822
That's Leonardo DiCaprio nu/pol/. That's all I know. Is someone from chap traphouse using him as an avatar?

>>135881575
>Why do you need somebody to tell you what to think ?
Yeah, why read books written by someone else? They are just telling you what to think! God, you're a fag. I don't agree with everything Peterson says, but maps of meaning is fucking brilliant and opened my mind to a lot of things. I have very little objections to his claims, they are pretty rock solid. Really impressive.

>>135881758
His political videos aren't the best and he tends to come across like a loon in them, yes. Go watch his real content. He sucks at explaining himself in these short clips you watched. They are a really poor representation of his views, mostly because the people who upload them take them out of their context and don't understand him either.

>>135881758
How do you know if he didn't? You haven't seen the majority of his content.

>>135881252
>Why can't you give a straight forward answer?

It seems to be the case that Maps of Meaning is a new model that describes how to act in the world that makes sense and seems to be beneficial.

It's an articulation of things that we already kind of know so when you explain it to someone they kind of light up and think "that's really cool" but if you read the book/watch any of lectures on Piaget/read Piaget you'd understand why this is the case.

His interpretation of myth and to a lesser extent dreams has been new to me but I think this isn't new methodology here

>>135881732

He is objectively very good looking or at least welldressed/handsome, and you can see the way he handles himself, that he knows it. I watched a video about psychopaths from him, and funnily enough

he strikes me as the most fitting example of a psychopath, according to his own "definitions". I wouldn't waste my time trying to "understand" somebody like that.

Always look at the results people have put on the table, not what they say or claim to be true.

>>135881935

You really need him to tell you that? You need help understanding symbolism in a cartoon?

Are you serious?

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>>135877909
meme'd it

>>135876479
holy shit

>>135876479
GOD

DON'T YOU JUST HATE WHEN PEOPLE WORK HARD AND LATER IN LIFE OFFER VALUABLE SERVICES TO OTHERS

I TOO WISH EVERYONE WAS POOR

I'm just going to flat out ask. What the fuck compels a person to confidently assert that a person does not deserve money for their work? All of us in the real world just want this one question answered.

>>135881892
you support deconstructing almost the entire history of thought because it doesn't have enough feminism in it, and you call others retarded

you can't deny that this is exactly what it leads to. it's essentially an older version of mansplaining, where everything is wrong and arrogant because it is a man who said it

>>135882027
You are deliberately taking Peterson out of context. He DOES in fact believe in objectivity. He acknowledges that there is a near infinite number of interpretations, but that not all of them are valid and then goes to define a really tight set of constraints from which a cardinal truth re-emerges.

>>135881758
>Why didn't Peterson do it himself in the first place? Why did he bring up Derrida, phallogocentrism and etymology?

Well, ask him. I'm sure he'd like to elaborate. But I don't think he needed to, in that particular circumstance. He has talked about that before though, as I recall. I think he brought it up talking about what he thought the postmodernists were right about.

But in any case, like I said way before, I don't think he was intending to be exhaustive. In talks like that, it's hard to be as sophisticated as you'd like. But sure, pick him apart. That's good. I still think he's conclusions are largely correct, in spite of your calling everyone who agrees with him a retard.

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Lack of reading comprehension, example 1:
>>135881157
>Just because you are too stupid to understand something doesn't mean it is utterly meaningless.
meaningless=/=cancer
Him producing copious amounts of disguised truisms while using young peoples emotions to manipulate and weaken their spirit sounds like cancer.

> I can't understand quantum electrodynamics
Have you tried not having shit genes?

>>135881170
example 2:

>without good background making you understand it
>stop being a baby evaluating the book by the person
You mean the background?

>It's influential and an important text
I agree, seeing how much gratification it brings hipsters who want to feel special and smart. But why do you think it is? Who told you to think this way? Also, work on your grammar, m8.

>>135882023
>painting people as psychopaths when they have done nothing particularly wrong whatsoever
have fun with that

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>>135876479
>greedy

The man is literally saving the western world. Faggit.

>>135879599
I agree that his critique of postmodernism is pretty retarded in the context of what Derrida and the like actually said and did but I think him having a white whale of sorts in this imaginary strawman of a nonexistent version of postmodernism to spazz out about that way adds to his charm.

>>135877310
kikes do it all the time
Better Dr.Peterson end up with the cash than the handrubbers

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>>135881892

>t. I'm 20 years old, just finished 2. semester of uni and think im smart
Usually I'd suggest to kys, but you'll grow out of it

>>135877092
Wow, you convinced me. Gonna donate my salary to ecelebs now.

>>135882182
>you support deconstructing almost the entire history of thought because it doesn't have enough feminism in it
Wow, I didn't know I supported that.

>and you call others retarded
I only call people like you retarded.

>>135882343
Thanks for the (You)s, pal. Please point out where I'm wrong.

>>135877310
Well yeah, if people are donating to them so they can do that then yeah, absolutely I do. Have you ever considered getting a job?

Why are you more mad about Jordan Peterson than you are Twitch whores? Jordan Peterson is an educator, the latter isn't.

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>>135879854

>>135882306
>agree that his critique of postmodernism is pretty retarded in the context of what Derrida and the like actually said
Well, what DID DERRIDA ACTUALLY SAY? Tell me.

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>>135882027
The left really can't meme

>>135877487
>Peterson shouldn't be worth 55 grand a month
Value is dictated by the consumers. How is this difficult to understand?

>>135878298
>rural rednecks support professors more than libtards
No wonder you guys are unemployed

>>135876479
>earning lots money is greedy

Don't you have a green party meeting to attend?

>>135881949
Ok. But. who. fucking. cares? It's worth whatever people are paying for it. It's all voluntary. People sell shitty splatter paintings for more than that. People play sports for more than that. I don't get what compels people like you to assert a person doesn't deserve what they have. It's not stolen. You can't answer this because the only compulsion it can be is envy and jealousy. It's weak.

>>135881994

And what is the use now? concretely? How can it be applied, other than have another 100 social scientists study it and improve the model etc. ?

Why do you need this map to understand basic human interaction?

>>135881974

I work in mathematics, and I know people that produced 1 paper in their whole life. But that paper is something new, not necessarily something big, but it's something that actually genuinely adds to the pool of knowledge.

It takes a certain humbleness, dignity and a very strong character, to not "shit post" in science. Peterson is a media whore who lives for publicity only. He will publish anything and everything he can simply for the sake of it.

No students he has will succeed more than your average psycho student.


>>135882274

He is like a guy that goes to a police station and describes himself as the offender. Tells his students to learn something useful, at the same time teaching them useless things or worse spoonfeeding them simple facts.

All you have to do is become a spokesperson for the disenfranchised masses and you can take a little off the top.

He provides a serves.

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>philosophy
>what people who are too lazy to do actual science do when they want to sound intellectual

How does it feel to piss away your entire life furiously arguing about pointless garbage?

>>135882422
people like me, to you, encompasses everyone who doesn't buy into your bullshit.

it's an attack on logic, he correctly identifies it as an attack on logic. you can go back to /lit/ now and talk with your fellow communists who read 500 pages of communist fantasy daily

>Goals: $100k per month
WAT

>>135881949
>It is pretty obvious that the content he produces is not worth £55k per month

Says fucking who? The market decides something's worth. Just because you wouldn't pay for it doesn't mean it's not valuable.

How much would you pay him monthly, eh Stalin?
Nobody gives a fuck about your mandatory maximum wage policies you need to kill yourself.

>>135877310
Fuck off commie

>>135877909
>being this mentally handicapped that he thinks JBP is a postmodernist
lel. how do you manage to remember to breathe?

>>135882623
you're calling him a psychopath because you find him attractive, maybe charismatic.

is that how you deal with being ugly or something?

>>135876762
Still more than you made in Africa

>>135882623
>Peterson is a media whore who lives for publicity only. He will publish anything and everything he can simply for the sake of it.
Pretty sure he has some mainstream psychology work publishes in journals. At least he claims that he does. Also maps of meaning is sort of academic and properly sourced. You knew it if you actually read it.

>>135882663
I know many smart people who would disagree with me on a lot of things. The difference between you and them is that they can make good arguments for their positions while you're stuck on /pol/ defending Daddy's incoherent ramble because you like his conclusion.

>>135882275
>doesn't take any explicitly pro-white stance
>'saving the western world'

Yeah, no

>>135878226
You cannot possibly think that was a mistake. It happened right after he started announcing that he's coming after the Left's indoctrination camps, the University. He said he's building an online humanities University and also a program that crowdsources information on which indoctrination courses to avoid, potentially costing them millions. Google is full of leftist, commie fucks so they tried to quietly get rid of him.

>>135877487

You alone don't get to decide how much someone is worth.

>>135876479
probably it's something like 4907 people pledging $2 and 1 person pledging 50k.

it's like streamers that get thousands dropped on them by billionaires, it's just not that much money for them.

>>135882623
>He will publish anything and everything he can simply for the sake of it.

Really. What publications of his have you read? Which would you deem to be particularly useless, compared to the typical psychology publication?

https://scholar.google.se/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=sv&oi=sra

Believe me, I appreciate your sentiment. I just find you incredibly arrogant expressing it.

>>135881698

Jung/Freud/Lacan come AFTER the fundemental argument about the basis of truth laid out by the Pragmatists.

You need this argument to make a solid scientific-ish argument about the nature of reality which means that it can cut through the is/ought problem. What the is's actually are is where the interpretation comes in>>135882623


I don't have an amazing understanding understanding of the tradition of interpretation though.

>>135882623

It:

Stem fags so butt blasted their degrees aren't making them 50k a month.

Lmao stay mad nerds

>>135882885
If we assume your speculation is true, that would give reason for the flagging attack, but the ban would still be a mistake. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have been corrected so fast. Probably the Google AI autobanned him for a number of reports in a given amount of time or some such.

>>135882821
>The difference between you and them is that they can make good arguments for their positions while you're stuck on /pol/

...he said on /pol/ in the midst of another shitty argument

>>135877487
If I remember right he wants to start a college too that has more legitimate criteria to graduate.

Also I see nothing wrong with supporting a public figure that you like for $11 a month. Especially if you feel that modern politics doesn't cater to you and he does.

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>>135882623
>No students he has will succeed more than your average psycho student.

Go look at his students citations compared to other students then if you're so confident in your own bullshit.

>>135877487
>Peterson shouldn't be worth 55 grand a month
there's empirical evidence in op's picture that this is false. capitalism, nigger. things are worth as much as people are willing to pay for them, and nobody forces anyone to pay here.

>>135878466
Except if it were the AI then they would have reinstated his account after he contacted them. They reaffirmed that he was banned in correspondence and then caved after he went public and an article was published detailing the situation.

>>135882930
Judging by the titles, it seems all his "work" has already been generously paid for by the taxpayers, so he's reselling it all once more to the general public. Is this even legal?

>>135882724

No, most of whta he says, are just common sense things, that I could come up with as well. Why is that part of a UNIVERSITY course? Don't these students have any hobbies, interests, PROJECTS that they pursue?

Most people here LIKE listening to him, because he says things they want to hear.

If you genuinely feel like you are "learning something from him" , except how to bullshit people by acting sophisticated (as opposed to actually being sophisticated), then I feel sorry for you.

>>135882803

I work at ETHZ, you won't need to look that up, because it's common knowledge that it's a top tier school.

Every single publication in psychology is bullshit. Everybody knows that reading them is a waste of time, because practically everything is flawed. I taught simple statistics to psychology students, it was a joke. They would copy every single thing from eachother and would regularly fail the class even if we provided questions from the examination BEFOREHAND (with changed numbers).

Other than that, you still haven't answered my initial question. What skill does he provide as a teacher? What do students from him learn that other starbucks-psycho-students don't?

>>135882244
Background in some of the philosophical ideas, in the discourse to which Derrida's text comes in, not the personal details that don't have anything to do with the discourse itself. If anything you should try to read Heidegger, he was all for nazism, yet he is even more seemingly obfuscating than Derrida, who was a protege of his.

I didn't see any hipsters tauting this book from my experience, unless something more complex and less known or acceptable is suddenly hipster, but wouldn't that make alt-right authors in that category as well? That's a hypocritical assumption.

Try reading Derrida's later work like The Gift Of Death

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>>135876479
>earning money is greed
>abandon your thought leaders

Said the increasingly nervous kike shill for the 6 gorrillionth time.

>>135882821
daddy's incoherent ramble, according to you, is actually an intentional lie

you probably switch between calling it the rantings of a madman and calculated manipulating depending on the time of day

he makes more money than you and you can't stop him. why don't you make a youtube channel where you call everyone retarded for not agreeing with you? you'll make lots of money with your skill

>>135882623
It's useful as it provides a tenable solution to the is/ought problem, and if you don't understand the significance of that you have no idea about post-enlightenment moral philosophy so of course you don't see the use of his work.

He's providing a strong modern philosophical argument for a risk averse conservatism, which people understood for a very long time until we became creatures of the scientific method and started to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

>>135877854
>calls other people IQ brainlets
>needs a youtube eceleb to rehash the classics and psychology and share them in video format instead of you actually reading that stuff
Lol you Peterson-worshiping cucks lack self-awareness huh?

>>135878916
Notice they only do it to the celebs that don't fall in line with their Leftist agendas.

>>135883121
More like the intern said he is banned, and when the real IT guys showed up they unbanned him.
Simplest explanation.

>>135883192
>claims to work at top tier university
>uses anecdote to support argument

>>135883342


You see, from you talking so much bullshit, I can say that you have no clue what you are talking about, you are just reurgitating what you have "learned".

The difference between you and Peterson is, he does it so well, that simply listening to him, will make you feel smarter.

My advice to you: stop talking so much, and go DO something and learn an actual skill. Your "idol" said exactly the same.

>>135883282
It's an incoherent ramble. It's possibly a lie, if you think Peterson is actually smart and realizes how badly he's misportraying Derrida, but does it anyway to gain an audience. It's not a lie if he's actually as stupid as he sounds.

>he makes more money than you and you can't stop him.
That's true, but see >>135880431

>It's your money. I don't particularly care about the fact that Peterson makes money as long as I get to point out that you're fucking retarded.

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>>135882482
Meme quote aside, you should watch the documentary pic related is from if you want to get a better idea of what he was going for without actually reading him.

>>135883192
>t. STEM elitist.
I respect you for being at ETH Zürich, but that doesn't mean you're not a cunt. Psychology isn't a hard science, but that doesn't make it useless. I bet you despise philosophy too. Hegel, Heidegger, Kant? All hogwash, philosophy is not a real science! Also how on earth can you afford living in Zürich? Also this >>135883441

>>135883493
>My advice to you: stop talking so much, and go DO something and learn an actual skill. Your "idol" said exactly the same.
I'm not a humanities student. I'm in CS and work as a software developer.

>>135883493
>you are just reurgitating what you have "learned".
Spoken like a true retard.

>>135883158
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jordan_Peterson2/publications

For example, his Maps of Meaning bullshit is from 1999:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235336102_Maps_of_Meaning_The_architecture_of_belief_precis


/pol/ might get a kick out of his 9/11 article too:

Already with the Solzhy:

>And what of the terrorists, themselves? As far as I am concerned, they are
existential cowards. Brave, only if suicide is brave. But suicide is not brave.
Solzhenitsyn said that he never met a suicide who had not been a moral bankrupt,
in all his painful years in the Gulag Archipelago. T

>Why did the terrorists have to be well-trained, highly organized and financed?
Because it was impossible to believe, in the immediate aftermath of the attacks,
that we could be so truly vulnerable. How could our invisible supports have
collapsed, so dramatically? We must have been attacked by an exceptional enemy
– else our pragmatic theories were truly in danger. It was just too much to believe
that a dozen rag-tag fanatics might have learned enough from a $50 flight
simulator to demolish New York. Could we really hang by such a thread?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237777814_THE_SURREALISM_OF_CATASTROPHE_PSYCHOLOGICAL_REFLECTIONS_ON_SEPTEMBER_11

>>135883192
>Everybody knows that reading them is a waste of time, because practically everything is flawed.
every person is flawed, is every person a waste of time?

go ahead and start publicly advocating that all social science should be ended for the good of humanity. I imagine you would be embarrassed to argue this publicly anywhere else than an anonymous forum though

>>135879376
Yeah, 55000 is way more than "to each according to his need", isn't it? Are you also upset about PBS?