TEXAS ANCAP EXPERIMENT (GONE WRONG)

>>135864142
>“The evidence room was literally an 18-wheel trailer that was unsecured. I found unmarked boxes filled with everything from weapons to narcotics … and anybody could walk in and they did.”

>“We worked so hard to get this far,” he said. “But it’s kind of turned into George Orwell’s Animal Farm. We’re all equal, but some of us are more equal than others. There’s nobody competent enough to lead this city and we sure as hell can’t attract anybody to come and fix us. We have to do this ourselves.”

>>135864142
canary in the coal mine? a sign of things to come.

As a libertarian I see this as a good thing. These people will be the worker units.

Most people are too stupid to live in an AnCap society, we already knew this. The idea is to let them all die.

>>135864142
means the community was rotten and didn't actually want to exist

natural selection at work

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>>135864142
>'''''''''''liberty city'''''''''''
>still can't dope up my child sex slaves on heroin
Yeah but that wasn't REAL ancap.

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>>135864142
Top Kek, charge 4% sales tax, copy a comparable city's property tax rate, drop a percent or two, depending if the budget absoulutely needs it, submit it to the citizens with a clear statement of where all the funds are going, bamn, you got a more functioning city than a lolberg can manage.

>Reyes
>Suarez
I think I've found the problem with libertarians.

>>135864595
Great way to start a political ideology, getting rid of 95% of your population

>>135864882
95% of the population is shitskins that don't deserve to live. You of all people should understand being from Africa.

>>135864142
Sewers and running water and roads and police are for the commons and the first and last best way to pay for them and manage them is to make a common fund, ancaps are retarded or underage.
Always make a plumbers trade school before you make a doctors college, plumbers save way more lives than doctors.

>>135864142
>. I’m washing my hands of everything. … I’m going to travel
>she said of being mayor
>she
so fuck things up then leave

>>135864142

>Speak English 44%
>Speak Spanish 53%

There's your problem.

>>135864142
What is ancap about that situation?

The police still have a monopoly in that area, they just quit. They could come back at any time.

No security firm would touch the place because of this.

The problem in that town is government.

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>>135865172
>Trina Reyes

>>135865172
>>135864595
Ancaps are retarded and genuinely think 60%+ of the population is just going to sit by while they starve them out instead of gorilla warfairing thier house, thier wife and thier busnisses.
>hurrdurr just shoot them all
Even if that was successful no one else would ever deal with you again, go live in Eastern Africa if you want to know what petty warlorderism is like.
The day after the water stopped flowing from the city pipes (which take consist mantainice btw) all you ancap retards would be begging for a government.

>>135865393
I didn't once say I thought they would sit, I will take great pleasure in killing those that invade my property.

>>135864685
B-BUT MUH TAXATION IS THEFT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>135865393

ANCAP would work in a 100 percent Anglo society well enough, yes.

50 percent of Mexican, Arab, Jew, Negro, and whatnot, will destroy it.

>>135865470
Once all the niggers like>>135865393 are done chimping out they will all be dead or slaves again so we will be fine.

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>>135865470
No it wouldn't. grow up. Leave this place, and learn game theory/prisoners dellima. Ancaps are as delusional as commies

Hmm it's like there is almost a distinct lack of libertarians and ancaps in this thread.

>>135864142
>This is one of the worst things I’ve ever done
> I’m washing my hands of everything. … I’m going to travel. I’m going as far away from Von Ormy as I can
wait what?
>S H E said of being mayor
oh lol I can't read

>>135865738
I wonder why,
Thnx u mad me thinc

>>135865714

Plenty of frontier towns composed of 100 percent white people were ANCAP and they ran fine.

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>>135865714
Don't pretend to have studied game theory, loser. We did it already and you clearly haven't done enough of it.

>>135865447
You mean you will sit alone on your property and shoot everyone of the 100+ mob that attacks your place and firebombs it?

Every Libertarian imagines himself as the superhuman winner.

>>135865202
This
The situation doesn't "disprove" anything, it's a dipshit strawman like most arguments against capitalism.
HURRDURR GOVERNMENT MADE A POOPY THE MARKET MUST BE AT FAULT

What the fuck has this got to do with ancap?

>>135865738
The problem is that Libertarianism has been swallowed by anarcho-capitalism. Honestly I consider Minarchism to be the most fundamental Libertarianism, with all increases on government power to be derivative of it until at some point you're conservative. Any "Libertarian" claiming the government is illegitimate is just an AnCap in denial. A good Libertarian rather argues why the government should be as small as possible, that is, that preserving individual Liberty is a value unto itself and usually has economic benefits as icing on the cake.

>>135866181

Agreed. Micharchism is what i think of when I think of libertarianism. A night watchman state is the ideal form of government.

>>135864142
Nothing more funny than ayncraps defending their loser ideology.

>>135866051
Who said alone? Who said shoot everyone? Who said lolbertarian? I have friends and acquaintances I have discussed and planned for such circumstances with, there are more effective ways to keep groups off land and kill them if necessary.

>>135866412
Questioning Fascism, rude.
All you dipshits should love it.

>>135865958
>mah frontier towns supported by railroads and outside industry
Are you retarded or just pretending?
Yeah I'M sure they worked when they were less than 100 people and didn't have or need any modern conveniences like sewers or regular spitic tank truck drainage.
Most people don't want to live like poor subsistence farmers without electricity or gas you undercover Street shitting Indian. Do you even know how towns worked? you want a new dress or shirt? You mail out for the patterns and spend a month sewing it. It's not exzacty wealth generating, nothing is stopping you from playing frounter boy though, plenty of ruail land without services.
Why don't you come up with an example of more than 200 people from the last 100'years that is not a compete shithole

>>135866412
I'm rather conservative but have been more open to Libertarianism lately. A combination of being tired of the government running shit poorly and wasting money (Canada) and otherwise not liking the government ruling over my social actions (such as what I can say or think, because again, fucking Canada).

>>135866181
Minarchism is cool too, you filthy kikesucking splitter. Don't fabricate divides in ideologies you don't even believe in.

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Just gonna drop this here. STOPandLOOKs (G Edward Griffin I think) series on Individualism vs Collectivism. Can't recommend this series enough, from the seasoned (and jaded) libertarians to people who are just slightly curious in libertarianism. Smoke a bowl and watch this stuff. Nothing ties together the philosophy better.

INTRO - Individualism vs Collectivism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMYicq_SN1E

P1. The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSHg3JV_V8

P2. Group Supremacy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n4E2tAQBVE

P3. Coercion vs Freedom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5L3aJMlPA

P4. Equality and Inequality under Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YxvySQqkk

P5. Proper Role of Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SMrTDiMprM

>>135865470
No it wouldn't. Hurr communism doesn't work because people are obviously self centered and greedy to a certain degree.

But the complete opposite. Greed and being self centered would create a perfectly fine and moral society with the community looking out for eachother and States that have naturally formed for the last 10000+ years aren't real because muh natural rights.

>>135864142
ho god a non state is not like a state, big news

>>135866672
Mincarchism is a cancer designed to kill freedom. lolbertarians are a pathetic joke.

>>135866677

wtf I hate roads now

>>135864348
WE WORKED SO HARD

>>135866181
> government preserves liberty
> we can totally keep it small guys
> monopolies are good goys
> we can totally vote in liberty
> we can totally sack all government workers and lean out the stagnant rusty leviathan state

Naive imo. Ancap is much more realistic because democracy doesn't work, supporting alternatives that render the state obsolete is already happening. So realistically we have a shot at a free society we have no chance in hell at convincing the population to dismantle everything

>>135864142
>Everyone started acting like children
This is a commentary on society, not the particular wacky form of governance they tried

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>>135866677
>Smoke a bowl and watch this stuff. Nothing ties together the philosophy better.
Yeah, because we need more retards on /pol/.

>>135866002
so how do you account for the inevitable monopolies that will form in a theoretical ANCRAP society?

>>135868178
They will not be stable because anyone who wants to undercut them will do so.

>>135864142
>she said of being mayor
>she
There's the problem.

>>135868748
I hate you retards so much
>hurrdurr industry is easy to start from the ground up, anyone will just undercut them
>meanwhile at the same time you pretend private police forces and roads won't be a problem for new industry that is hostile to established interests.
Btw there has never been such a thing as free enterprise in the Industrial Age, all industy in every country ever has needed government help to get to the level of scale needed to be competitive, a truely free market in a Industrial Age has never exsisted and will never exist

>>135868748
the companies with the most profit and better access to resource can undercut the other ones. If you start up your own business McDonalds can be giving out free burgers until you go out of business since they have a billion shops and you have one

>>135869133
So lets say McDonald's and Wendy's get together and raise the prices of their hamburgers to $10 a piece. Alright, now I have an opportunity to start selling hamburgers at $1 from my front porch. People will buy my hamburgers because the price isn't artificially raised through a monopoly. Wendy's and McDonald's start competing with the street vendors and the price drops to levels consumers desire. Street vendors can't compete and disappear. That's how the business cycle works. In the end the consumer gets what they want.

>>135864142
>libertarianville
This has been discussed several times within libertarian circles, you can't bring a group of people together with libertarianism as the only thing incommon. You need an overarching way of life, a culture. For example I don't belive christians and radical atheists would fare well even thought they were both libertarians..

That is why so many libertarians are getting redpilled on race and culture.

>>135869238
So? If you can't compete then get lost. I want the best quality product at the best price. If a big company does that then so be it.

>>135869293
And you know what happens when you do that?
Customers will come to your shoppe, only to find a billion glass shards from the gunfire, bullet holes everywhere and a business owner who just got an offer he can't refuse, putting the burgers at $10.

>>135869459
I would bring that person into a court of law to sue them for damages to my business.

>>135869238
Don't bother, KGDUfdg is retarded. He has no understanding of monopoly power, or the logistics that underlie a busnisses especially at scale.

>>135869634
You have no understanding of how easy it is to out maneuver a massive industry by offering higher quality products or low cost options.

>>135867403
BUT IN THE END

>>135869867
WE RECEIVED IN EXCHANGE THE WAGE OF OUR LABOR!

>>135868748
did you even take economics, you retard? Monopolies form in the first place because of barriers to entry to the market. You can't just "undercut them". You know Intel charges way more for processors than is efficient for society. Why don't you just "undercut" them? Oh right, you have no idea how to make a processor and a processor production facility only costs 10 billion dollars.

Dumb fuck.

>>135869634
When humans are free to play a real game do you think they'll be the same as they are now?

>>135869349
>short sighted retard is ANCAP
color me surprised. In the given hypothetical scenario, you'll only get cheap burgers in the short run. Once all the competition has been stamped out the price of burgers goes up forever, dumbass.

>>135870258
If you want a burger and it is cheap and good quality then go on.
I am not a subhuman and I eat normal food.
>The price of burgers goes up forever
Economic illiterate. Supply and demand. Sometimes you make more profit when the price goes down. In a free market if you your price went up someone else would come and make a firm with a cheaper price.

>>135870556
thats only if there are small or no barriers to entry to the market. Monopolies would never form in the burger industry because any retard can start a burger stand and it would be impossible to quash all the competition. Yes you gain a profit when the price goes down, but only if your good is price elastic, which no monopoly good ever is.

If you're actually advocating ANCAP then you're clearly the economic retard here, son. Saying "muh supply and demand" doesn't mean anything.

>>135870119
Making a 100% efficient society is impossible. Intel has to price their processors at a price the market can afford.

>>135870258
Wrong. Other companies will make burgers of a different variety that people prefer.

>>135869611
And then you get shot in the head so you can hear the ocean sing.
I'm talking about mob rule here. Read up on the Prohibition, see what happens when you effectively create a free market for a highly desirable commodity.

>>135870849
Inelastic goods are also price capped at the supply/demand curve because if they raise prices too much people will not be able to afford the required product and society will fail thus dooming the company. It fixes itself.

>>135870849
That's why I wrote the next two lines of text you fucking retard, learn to read and saying "monopoly good" literally doesn't mean anything. I at least had something to back up why I said you're an economic illiterate, tell me why am I.

>>135871047
In a libertarian society there would still be police and courts. Prohibition is a good argument FOR libertarian not against.

>>135871143
In a libertarian society, the mob is the police.

>>135870971
>Making a 100% efficient society is impossible.
>making a perfect society is impossible so let's just make a dogshit ANCAP one

>Other companies will make burgers of a different variety that people prefer.
hey dumbass, I already said that that the burger market would never form a monopoly because there are no barriers to entry. Let's talk about the integrated circuit industry instead.

>>135871228
Your argument for it is? You know we currently have more private security than the police?

>>135871228
Wrong. The Government is separate from the market and is run through taxation.

>>135864142
>lolbergtarianism failed

Imagine my shock

>>135871239
A rich person who thinks they can compete with Intel is more than welcome to set up their own CPU industry. What is your problem?

>>135871074
Because you're implying monopolies can never form because someone will always undercut you, which is clearly false. Monopolies do form and I guarantee you that you are not the only genius to come up with the idea of "LETS JUST UNDERCUT THEM!". The only thing stopping monopolies is government intervention via anti-trust laws, and monopolies are objectively bad for society. This is why ANCRAP is meme status.

>>135871366
I disagree that monopolies can be sustained under ANCAP.

>>135871342
>Intel undercuts him until he goes bankrupt and is not so rich anymore
>others see this and don't try again
>Intel is free to charge whatever they want again

>>135871342
>A rich person
You have such a childish and simple way of thinking. First of all you'd have to be more than just "a rich person", you would have to be one of the richest people alive to fund it yourself AND you would have to have any idea what you're doing (which is basically impossible because the companies that do keep it super-duper secret) AND you would be competing with some of the biggest mega-conglomerates on the entire globe. My problem is that you're a retard and your ideology sucks balls and is only for retards and yet here I am trying to explain myself to an actual retard.

>>135864556
You sound more like a communist.

>>135871366
If you think monopolies aren't formed by goverment and can only be deleted by goverments you're a fucking retard. Look at the current world. Jesus fucking christ the burgers have shit education.

>>135871473
Eventually Intel will price their processors at a rate that the market demands. This is the best rate for both Intel and Consumers at large. If Intel charges too much then they won't sell as much product and make less money. This is self correcting you absolute retard.

>>135871507
>what is venture capital

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>>135871069
You are the retard that is going to be augmented to work 22 hours a day living in filth in your ideal society while the owners make off like gods.
>>135869731
Even burgers require ranch land for the cows, shipping to get them, electrical power to grind them, flour mills for the grain for the buns, etc etc. to pretend you'd be able to raise enough cows and Brian and have enough labor on your small land holding is retarded, and in this example the burger monopoly would squeeze you out in many different ways.
Burgers were always a bad exaplme though things like cars and steel and pipe it are much better examples because the places you get the ore from are much more limited and easier to monopolize. And then you start getting into advanced goods like microchips/TVs,computers
>hurrdurr just make your own microchip clean room
Please kill your self
>>135871069
if they raise prices too much people will not be able to afford the required product and society will fail
There is a price space between fail and efficient pricing that a monopoly exsists in retard.
Als if your safety check is
>society fails
You are retarded and want to live in the dark ages

>>135871685
You're right, we should just keep using this shitty system where the Government picks winners and losers through regulation.

>>135871650
So your argument changed from "anyone can compete with them and lower the price" to "m-maybe they will be merciful to us goyim and lower the price eventually". Nice goalpost moving.

>>135871600
>accuses my of shit education
>resorts to red-herring logical fallacy
Hey you Polish nigger-human, we're talking about a theoretical governmentless society. I never said governments couldn't have monopolies, you just stuffed that in my mouth and said "GAWD THIS AMERICAN IS SO RETARDED YALL". That's okay because I already know you don't know how to refute my argument about monopolies naturally forming without government intervention so you did waht every retard does and reach for the logical fallacies.

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>>135867810
That was a good read. Thanks

>>135871678
>what is every other point

>>135871791
You idiot. There is a price at which a company makes the maximum profit for any good or service. That is the price they will use. If they go higher they will make less profit.

>>135864142
Oh wow what a suprise.
(Not really though.)

>>135871600
There are monopolies/duopolys today that exist becuase of the currpot government helps them, yes.
But to say monopolies wouldn't form without government help is wrong and also disproveable becuase the worst monopolies ever were formed without government help

>>135871272
The argument is that humans are inherently capable of evil, and greed is a great motivation to exercise evil.
Somehow libertarians got it in their head that when a big business raises the price by 500% there won't be pushback from the customer, and that an alternative business will be able to freely undercut the big business without the big business retaliating at all.
Libertarianism is seriously naive.

>>135871277
Irrelevant. The guy with the gun is the guy you're gonna want to listen to. This simple principle is what mobs have used for decades to create their protection rackets with which they fund their background operations (in case of Prohibition, booze) and bribe officials as well as creating a point of supply for the consumer.

>>135871854
Perhaps, except that price would much higher than the actual value and the quality would be shit because it's your only choice anyway.

>>135871854
youre so fucking stupid. Companies charge a price where marginal price = marginal revenue, yes, but that has nothing to do with the argument at hand. We're talking about how competition LOWERS prices and thus is good for consumers. You're talking like monopolies don't even fucking matter or exist when. Guess what, a monopoly has no competition by definition so they end up charging WAY more than is optimal for society thus the average person loses, consumers lose, and you lose. This is the ANCAP society you dream of.

>>135871935
That concept doesn't depart in any way from the current system. Criminals will break the law. And courts must prosecute them

>>135871967
If the price exceeds value then no one will buy the product.

>>135872087
Monopolies would eventually charge less for the product to improve society in their favor if their prices were influencing their industry negatively.

>>135872330
>Monopolies would eventually charge less for the product to improve society in their favor if their prices were influencing their industry negatively.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

ANCAPS, EVERYONE

>>135872330
>If the price exceeds value then no one will buy the product.
Yep, I guess everyone would stop using computers then. Just like no one buys iPhones anymore.

>>135872358
What is the alternative?

>>135872485
Yes. Precisely.

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>>135872330
>If the price exceeds value then no one will buy the product.
Because your average consumer has a degree in economics.

>>135872330
>If the price exceeds value then no one will buy the product.

Every product on the market was sold for more then it's value..... That's kind of how the economy works.

>>135872330
The courts need funding.
Can't have taxes, or you'd need a gouvernment to organise the money and its collection.
Mob comes in and pays for 90% of the court's expenses.
Now a case comes up where a proud and loyal ancap citizen claims to be blackmailed into the protection racket.
Who's the court gonna listen to, the innocent citizen or the money well?
It would be wrong of them to ignore the citizen, but of they didn't they could easily get in trouble.
It's more likely they convict the innocent citizen, to send a clear message.

You're right in that it doesn't depart from the system. It's making the system worse.

Also
>if price exceeds value then no one will buy the product
Then the minimum price of entry to having food on the table can be $1, or $100, depending on the industry's mood.
Pretty sure not dying is of tremendous value.

>>135872330
>If the price exceeds value then no one will buy the product.
And what if the product is a vital service? Like the railroad monopoly provided by Rockefeller in the early 1900's? People are just supposed to accept that they live in ANCRAP society and can't get basic services like railroads because well, it takes a government to remove a monopoly and gubmint is evil!!!

>>135872562
If you can't make a rational choice before spending money then you are less than pathetic and deserve a poverty stricken life.

Had most of the politicians involved been male I wonder if this would have panned out nearly as badly.

>>135872661
>if it exceeds the value to the consumer

>>135872330
So if we have a monopoly on everything (which is going to happen sooner or later because the big companies can undercut their competitors until they go bankrupt or just take them over) then what is human society reduced to?

Are you gonna say that common folk should just get used to living without basically all modern conveniences? I get it, the things cannot be priced astronomically because then no one would buy it, but the prices would be so high that you could never afford everything that you want. Now you interject and say "It's the same thing in our society right now and the way it's supposed to be" and I agree. But here in our society I can use computers and all other kind of high-tech equipment I need for an affordable price. If AnCap society would require more sacrifices by the consumers and thus a lower standard of life, why should anyone actively strife for it who is not owning a big business?

>>135872553
The alternative is what we live in now, which apparently to you ANCRAP tards is unacceptable for some reason. I'm guessing that's because you're a penniless autist who blames your failures on the government "deciding who wins and who doesn't through regulation" (???)

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First of all, you assholes are forgetting that libertarianism is not anarcho-capitalism. The latter is batshit retarded like anything that has "anarcho" in it.

Second, libertarianism can work. But it definitely is not for everyone. Can the people who live under a libertarian society realize the formation of monopolies and work to have them undercut? Depends on the people. If you introduce it to a place like the US where 64% of the population are some monkey people or an 89 IQ place like Turkey, it sure as fuck can not.

>>135872717
Taxation is fine in Libertarian-ism.

>>135872562
But to them social recognition they get from having the iphone or shit like that is more important than having a better education or something more productive. So that just means that a person would only buy something when he expects a gain from it, which is a really basic idea.

>>135872720
The government subsidized Rockefeller by giving them miles of land.

>>135872753
I disagree. In a libertarian society prices for good would be lower and there would be more variety.

>>135872853
You're dodging the point. Respond again but this time actually answer the question.

>>135872831
You get it. Economic value is almost totally divorced from the marketed value of the commodities purchased by consumers.

>>135872917
nvm you're clearly too stupid and are beyond help. im out. enjoy your low IQ brain & life =

>>135872917
Thank you for your... arguments??

>>135872717
It doesn't make sense selling food for an unaffordable price. I can basically just grow some weeds and sell them to you for 10 cent, and you will buy it out of necessity. This then makes the guy who raised the price to 100 dollars unable to compete with me.

>>135872930
Rockefeller would price the railroad at a point that provides the best profit to his company. If that means excluding certain people so be it.

>>135872972
>>135872980
Neither of you provided an argument merely an opinion so I responded in kind.

>>135871685
How do you figure you can just monopolize everything in a territory when they have an army and you don't? When profit is your end game and not theirs? When everyone wants a cut of what you have? What if you haven't built your monopoly yet? What if someone kills you for trying? What if that someone is your partner? What if your partner isn't as good as you and your monopoly goes to shit? What if this is the norm? What if it isn't? What if you're so smart you succeed? What if now you monopolized everything? What if your success came at the cost of everything? What if you don't care about the cost? But, what if it mattered?

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>>135864142
>Reyes said most people in Von Ormy agreed with Martinez de Vara’s position but that it put the town in a bind. “You want to be a liberty city? No taxes,” she said. “We could only afford to put in $500,000, if that, but where would we get the rest from?”
The sewer system was never installed, and the town still relies on septic.

>>135872358
ancaps fucking exposed

>>135865172
I wonder what the other 3% speak

>>135864142
Transparent kike propaganda for big government aside, what went wrong?

>>135873035

But then (((he))) will just start handing shit out for free, and inbred mongs whose only goal in life is to avoid starving will just keep taking them until you and your friends go out of business; then (((he))) will raise them back to 100 again.

>>135873035
So, can you produce enough weeds to feed families?
Do you have a network of suppliers through whom you can reach those families?
By the time your effort makes a difference, your competitors will have already worked out your demise. Either you halt your practices, join them, or live with the consequences.

>>135873479
Probably they have less than enough people, to be more precise less than enough intelligent people to cater the services. If I was there the first thing I did would be hiring some hoodlums to burn some houses and then begin to advertise my security and firefighter services.

>>135873629
The good thing about free market is that i don't need to reach people all around the globe in order to sell my stuff. I can hire people by promising them food in order to create more weed which i would sell to my small city that has around 50k people. And for the other areas around the world, i believe there are people around the same intelligence, maybe even more than me which would think and do the same thing.

>>135873594
That's no problem i will get back to business the moment he decides to raise the prices to 100. Every game can be played by two person

>>135869611
>business owner who just got an offer he can't refuse
You would be dead.

>>135873935

Getting back to business is not easy. You will have gotten economically damaged significantly after that. Even if you manage to recover, he will just pull the same shit again.

>>135873940
How is this different from the current system?

>>135874061
There is a limit to kikery, while there is no limit to people taking advantage of a crisis in order to profit themselves resulting in them helping others in the process. If even (((they))) can do the same trick forever, which i think is impossible considering (((their))) money is also not infinite in a gold backed currency, after a while people will understand the scheme and use it to their own advantages.

>ancap societies don't work
wow what a suprise, one of the so called weak and flacid ideologies is basically a meme? who would have thought?

>>135874348
t. nazi flag

This is why minarchy is the way to go.

I hold AnCap as the Platonic ideal, but it is ultimately almost impossible to achieve. We should however strive for it and only compromise where absokutely necessary.

>>135874395
It's just Libertarianism

>>135873940
But then Burger King affliation in order to be the next "King of Burger" would spare no expense in order to prove McD and Co is killing business rivals, making them hated by public

>>135864142
>Reyes
>Suarez
>Martinez de Vara

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>>135874389
NatSoc worked Petrov
hell it was so succesful that it took a zerg from 3 other superpowers to take it down

>>135873479
>“I think we’re just young,” she said. “We’ve reached our temper tantrum stage and we just need to get past it. But a lot of the people here don’t care. They want to be left alone, but if something’s not done soon then San Antonio’s going to annex us. Then we’ll have to pay the taxes that Von Ormy was established to get out of in the first place.”
>But a lot of the people here don’t care.
>They want to be left alone

There is no propaganda here, just hard hitting reality about what happens when you do actually go all in with "leave me alone".

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>>135874344

No, there is not a limit to kikery. They don't need to have infinite money, just have it more than everyone else.

>after a while people will understand the scheme and use it to their own advantages.

This is where you err. Most people are fucking retarded. Like I said, libertarianism can work. But it is not for everyone. Imagine what would happen if Turkey was libertarian for example.

>>135874100
Are you retarded or something? I said you would be fuckin dead, how the fuck are you going to sue them cunt?
Whata fuckin retard.

>>135875042
If I started a competing business today I could be killed by my competitors. It doesn't happen though because we have the court of law and we aren't savages.

>>135874743

So it didn't work?

>>135865393
Ancaps have mental illnesses. Their paranoia of the state is a self fulfilling prophecy of tyranny.

They are the people that in a less civilised society would rape, murde, steal, betray first. Their brains are fucked up from birth. Lolbertarians are just a notch less neurotic.

>>135874743
>it worked guys!
>for 20 years
>while we were taking loans and not paying back
>and conquering smaller states to take their stuff
>and confiscating private property and businesses
>and buying cheap labor and food from the USSR, since everyone else had them embargoed

So under perfect ideal 100% laboratory conditions it worked... for 20 years. Then it didn't work.

>>135874438

No, there's a distinction between libertarianism and minarchy same as between conservatism and totalitarianism.

>>135871930
Name one. From East India to Telstra they're all government created, supported, bailed out and government created the structures necessary for them.

The idea that there have ever been long term real monopolies in areas where there are no government created barriers to entry is just historically false imo. Its illogical despite the imaginative scenarios people fear monger with. I just don't understand how you can say that.

>>135875039
I would be the lord of the west of istanbul and i am fine with this.

>>135875222
Could you remind me when NatSoc started and ended in Germany?

Wah my spics paradise is a total shithole wahhh

>>135875405
Was I generous with that random 20 number?
Without looking it up, from memory, its 1930-1945, so 15 actually.
I meant to throw a rough estimation, a rounded number, not to give history lessons.

>>135875562
It's a travesty that you don't know that. Especially since you used it in an argument. On /pol/. Hitler came to power in 1933.

>>135864408
All the councilmen were women who could not stop fighting amounts themselves, you may be on to something.

>>135875143
Well make it clear next time.
Talking without context is not smart and doesn't make you smart.

>>135875672
My argument has 20 stand in for "a short time", the time being shorter only makes me more correct. I don't care either way.

Wow... it's as if Mexicans really are retarded...huh...fancy that.

I love these babies first intro to Anarchism as if half you cunts weren't here in 2012 and haven't encountered the moral & practical reasons why Minarchy doesn't work & a free society might.

What has gotten into you lot? Trump neonates?

>>135866163
>>135866140
NOT REAL COMMUNISM

>>135875672
You just made a counterargument for yourself dumbass.
Fuck is up with normies and chan today?
You /pol/ faggots used to be smarter, now you're talking without context and tripping all over on your own bloody words.

>>135876300
kek
they hate applying that rule to them so much
the gift that keeps on giving

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>>135875145
it did, it worked so well that it was becomming a threat

>>135875222
your argument being?

creating ideal conditions for your economy to thrive is what a country should do, not enrich the international jew or some Rotschild heir.

>>135869293
You'd get fucked on licence fees and similar bullshit. Like kids having lemonade stands shut down.

>>135872717
Your argument is retarded. Everything you've said can be applied to every form of government. "An-cap doesn't work because of blackmail". If anything the private court, that has competitors would be more incline to serve its citizens, than a government monopoly would. The producers of a good serve its consumers, since they can just stop consuming their product, effectively making the private entities powerless. You cannot stop consuming the goods if you're taxed for it, which removes a large incentive, arguably the largest incentive for a court to rule justly.

>>135864142
>literally nothing meaningful happened, this is why liberty is bad
I read the whole article twice and I can't figure out what the writer is trying to report on. It's a city of about 1000 people. This is literally pointless drama.

>>135877439
In a Libertarian society there would be no licencing regulations.

>>135878164
In a Libertarian society there would be no society.

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>>135865393
>60% of the population will begin to starve in a true capitalist society! Because that's what I say!
>go live in Africa, the place with the most insane and controlling governments on earth, if you want to have true freedom from government
As expected, people against libertarians are just crazy ramblers.

>>135875181
>argument through insane nonsensical defamation
Woah, this really changed my mind. wtf I love big government now.

>>135878309
> newfags always point to the most regulated continent on earth because of what they heard on TV once
Gee what a surprise.

>>135878309
b...but under ancap what's to stop farmers from selling wheat at $7,000 a grain? Ha! Bet you didn't take into account that everyone would suddenly become psychopathic monster the instant they are allowed to have a free market.

>>135878646
I think people forget that the ultimate authority of the state attracts the worst people and gives them legitimized power over people but fuck me if Maccas & Steve Jobs won't hire an army to occupy my house for some reason and enslave me.

>>135876773

Then it got defeated(by the people it claimed were subhumans lmao). So it doesn't work.

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>>135871650
Except intel is a shit company that was anti-consumer/anti-technology/violated multiple antitrust laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k

The ancap stuff doesn't makes sense on a logical level

Fact is there are commons, there are natural monopolies, there are stupid people. So to manage all these things, we pretty much need to have some kind of municipal tax. The simplest example is a border.

Everyone benefits from the border. Therefore, if any one person commits their own time and money to patching up the border wall, they are bearing a cost, for which everyone is benefiting.

Another example, sidewalks. If you take it upon yourself to maintain the sidewalk, you are bearing a cost for which the whole neighborhood benefits. Therefore, you are a sucker. You are essentially handing everyone else money through your labor. Therefore precisely 0 people will maintain the sidewalks. You need to tax everyone in the vicinity who uses the sidewalks, and commit all their money to the maintenance. This is the only rational way to do it. Whether it's a private or a public organization, this must happen.

The problem with private organizations running everything, is that the people don't really have much of a say over what happens. Also, since a lot of these services are natural monopolies, the private organization will just fuck you over hardcore (no competition, you can charge whatever the hell you want, make as much money as you need). It just works better having a democratic institution managing this. That way the people get some sort of a hand in managing the situation.

>>135864142
It was not true anarcho-capitalism!

>>135879368
I might have been miffed by that ignorant remark of yours but then i looked at your flag and laughed.

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>>135866677
>Smoke a bowl and watch this stuff. Nothing ties together the philosophy better.

Ancap is not cucked by anarchy but by capitalism.
Charles Mauras, greatest nationalist thinker than none of you knows, said "monarchy with a good king is just anarchy +1"

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>>135879617
>monopolies generated through government regulation and intellectual property are the reason we need government
First off, there would be no room for dirty tactics in a true free market. As soon as you limit your chips to a certain pattern you make, other companies which make motherboards or competing CPUs would be able to quickly adapt and take advantage of the limitations you set on your own product. Without intellectual property laws, the dirties tactics for this industry wouldn't even work.

Paying retailers to increase prices also doesn't work, because the retailers would want at least more than what they would lose by not selling a better product, meaning, Intel would have to pay the retailers every bit of profit they would gain from that deal just to hurt the competition, its unproductive, without even mentioning that I can order products from 3 cities away from me through the internet.

But even assuming in the worst case scenario, you still have a monopoly. A monopoly is not at all the worst thing in the world. A monopoly still has to provide services based on market prices and still suffers from asymmetric competition, meaning, they would still have to lower their costs and increase their quality, and people will still buy less of their products if they slack too much. The croniest forms of capitalism are still better than socialist bullshit.

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>>135864142
>“Everyone started acting like children and nothing got done.”

Well that about sums up the ancap experience.

>>135864348
>“But it’s kind of turned into George Orwell’s Animal Farm. We’re all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.

How deliciously ironic that it's the same end point as communism.

>>135878309
>insane and controlling governments on earth
What is this meme? Nigger governments can't even control themselves let alone an entire country

>>135864142
>Reyes
>Suarez
>de Vara

>expecting anything good from spics

>>135880746

I am not defending T*rkey here, am I?

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>>135881766
gibs me fair share

>>135864882
They got rid of themselves. They didn't have personal responsibility to feed themselves.

>>135875181
Wow, you convinced me. I'm totally a nazi now.

>>135878646
What's stopping farmers from selling wheat at 7k now? The market.
Captcha: select helicopter

>>135882488
They're arbitrary and despotic, but that does not equal controlling considering I doubt most African governments actually have infrastructure and men to enforce anything in 90% of their territory beyond the capital.

>>135882981
I was being sarcastic.

>>135880364
You built that sidewalk so they can get to your business. Their patronage is the "tax" that paid for the sidewalk.
>The problem with private organizations running everything, is that the people don't really have much of a say over what happens
The same could be said for """public""" organizations.
About monopolies, regulation creates overhead for competitors, causing them to lose business potential. So, in fact, it benefits large companies that can afford this overhead and then lobby for decreased regulation.

>>135882981
humorless 50 year old piece of shit detected

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>>135882488
>190bn

>>135883357
>You built that sidewalk so they can get to your business. Their patronage is the "tax" that paid for the sidewalk.
what? are there sidewalks that don't lead to walmart?

You think fucking Best Buy is going to be building the sidewalks in your neighborhood?

Protip: sidewalks benefit all businesses. Every business in the town befits from your neighborhood having the ability to walk to the store. Therefore any business that is stupid enough to finance and maintain sidewalks is a sucker. It's the exact same problem. The prisoner's dilemma

>>135883205
>arbitrary and despotic
>not equal controlling
Not, that means exactly controlling. By definition.

>I doubt most African governments actually have infrastructure and men to enforce anything in 90% of their territory beyond the capital.
That's true to any government, including the american government. How come the all powerful american government can't stop a bunch of stoners from growing weed and other narcotics?

>>135883596
yes, moron. 1 business is going to build all the sidewalks.
Idiot, they build the sidewalk in front of their business. The community builds the roads it needs.

>>135883359
>>135883252
I cant detect humor on the internet.

>>135883866
>Not, that means exactly controlling. By definition.
You can't be controlling if you lack the resources to exert control. I'm sure everyone is scared to death of ultra-efficient African government surveillance, African secret service and African police forces, oooooh real scary.
>That's true to any government, including the american government.
You've got to be fucking kidding, the US government spends a fortune on armies of cops, spooks and soldiers and uses high technology to keep tabs on as much as it can. The fact that it can't control absolutely everything doesn't mean you can compare it to some ungovernable African shithole with useless, ineffective police and intelligence services.

>>135864142
Heh that article is glorious.How will ancaps/lolbergs ever recover? Also looks like a lot of spics in that town, the entire experiment was always doomed, but if its not 100% white it never even had a chance lmao. What a meme idealogy. inb4 its never been tried and it wasn't true x

>>135871553
Id say a Jew but they are interchangeable.

>>135864142
It can go either way. There's 50% chance the 1,000,000 ruthless, ambitious and spiteful ancaps would unite and seize positions of power and rewrite the state as they see fit, and there's a 50% chance the ancaps would turn on each other as they near their victory for personal gain or make a deal with the state giving the state enough time to pick them all off.

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>>135884627

>>135864142

>commies lose power
>oh no we will all die without commies
>better not give money to fire departments

Have these people literally never heard of donations? If you want a fire department, give money to the fire department. I guarantee you these angry, government loving retards spent their time bickering instead of one actually DOING ANYTHING like collecting money for the fire department or any other part of things they want.

>But a lot of the people here don’t care. They want to be left alone, but if something’s not done soon then San Antonio’s going to annex us. Then we’ll have to pay the taxes that Von Ormy was established to get out of in the first place.

i don't think they're ancaps, i think they're just lazy

>>135864348

>worked so hard to get this far
>oh no the stolen government money ran out
>now we can't bribe people to force others into compliance
>now we actually have to do things

>>135864142

> who would win ?

A road

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lilbercucks BTFO

>>135864142
Does anyone else hate when articles are written in some piss poor story format? Just tell me in chronological order what happened, and why.

>>135886089

Communism collapsed, commies confuse a transition from shoving off responsibility on government to taking personal responsibility with people taking personal responsibility.

NOT REAL ANARCHOCAPITALISM!

>>135864142
>For the last few years, Von Ormy has been in near-constant turmoil over basic issues of governance: what form of municipal government to adopt

>what form of municipal government to adopt

Nice try.

>>135865393
>Even if that was successful no one else would ever deal with you again
Why is that? I literally did nothing wrong except for defending myself.

>>135864142
Ancap is retarded imo, but so is the nanny state, of which you have an example in the UK. Like in everything you need something in the middle.

>>135864142
Here is the issue. She didn't privatize these services. She just ended them.

>>135889976
No one rose up to fill the market need. Ancapistan doesn't work if the capitalists are too lazy or stupid to meet demand.

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>>135864142
ancaps just deny human nature, they are doomed to be

>>135864674
>that pic
Now that is real compassion

>>135890633

Thats because they havent been raided by roving gangs of beaners yet because this news just came out.

Give it a couple of weeks and you'll have quite a few people willing to step up.

>>135864882
Yea, and the remaining 5% of humanity will be intelligent whites. 5% of humanity is a fuckton of people.

>>135864142
That article is extremely poorly written, informations are all over the place, nothing is in chronological order. It's plain retarded.

So, how exactly is this a failure of libertarianism? The problem was having a government in the first place, albeit small, it still has the same problems than our current governements currently have, only everything is worse because there are thousands of power hungry politcians fighting with each other instead of 5. What does "democracy" get ever done? How is it any different?

The other problem was to want to keep any form of taxation at all. Government shouldn't exist, taxes shouldn't exist, police shouldn't exist, all public services shouldn't exist. That's what true libertarianism is, people get things done by themselves, if they wish to, and that's it.

The third problem was giving any position of power to women. A woman should NEVER have a say in anything.

>>135867810
I choose to believe that Buchanan himself wrote that essay