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When did you realize (((Atheism))) was just another of their tricks?

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When did you realize (((Atheism))) was just another of their tricks?
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Whom the gods destroy, they first drive mad.
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>>135836946
Also worth mentioning that nowadays they are pushing hard for (((paganism)))
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>>135836946
The minute I discovered Albert Pike is worshiped by the elite, and the 'enlightened ones' made it obvious they are doing thier best to rid the West of Christianity. Washington DC is a giant masonic temple....
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>>135837577
Sam Harris, Chapman Cohen, David Silverman, Michael Newdow, Gregory Epstein, Sherman Wine, Bill Maher, Eric Kaufmann, and of course, Richard Dawkins's mother has a Jewish surname and was stated to have lived in the only Jewish suburb of the city she grew up in.

Almost every single major figure in the atheist movement is Jewish. You could make a compelling argument that atheism is specifically being pushed by Jews in today's society, and they seem to largely be targeting western Christians and only them.
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>>135836946
>>135838278
Atheism is inherently not a movement. It's more like the lack of one. Anti-religion could be considered as one, but not having a cause isn't a cause.
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>>135838678
Yet you don't see Bill Maher, Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins trashing judaism 24/7... I wonder why?
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>>135838969
What's your point here?
Anyone from any ethnic group can be atheist or religious. Just because Jews aren't religious doesn't mean I should be.
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>>135839738
My point is jews are pushing atheism specifically as a mean to attack Christianity.
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>>135841444
The implication you made is that atheism is entirely Jewish. I wouldn't be here if you pointed out how Jews were attacking traditional values, but that isn't what you did.
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>>135842813
My point is that it is jews like Sam Harris, Chapman Cohen, David Silverman, Michael Newdow, Gregory Epstein, Sherman Wine, Bill Maher, Eric Kaufmann, and of course, Richard Dawkins, the one who are pushing atheism 24/7.

We could discuss the Jewish atheists who aren't pushing atheism so much as atheism-enabling political views like Marxism. For example Soklonikov, Trotsky, Deutscher, Lenin, Uritsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev and Sverdlov.
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>le atheism is a liberal ideology promoted by jews meme

Atheism is just a descriptor, means you don't believe in God. China and the East Asian countries are atheist and I don't see jews involved in that. You Christians really need to stop thinking belief in god is the standard normal mode for everybody and if someone doesn't believe it must be the work of jews. It's just dishonest and a lazy way of arguing. Besides, Protestants in America fucking love Jews and you and I both know it.
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I'm agnostic, we've always been at war with the atheists

There was an episode of Metalocalypse about it
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>>135844371
>Christians really need to stop thinking belief in god is the standard normal mode for everybody
T. Brainwashed Atheist
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>>135836946
I still haven't realized
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>>135836946

When I realized evolution being true =\= god being untrue
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>>135836946
When I was 15.
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>>135848011
This image is marvelous. The true redpill.
Atheists are morons, soon they will cry for those days of "annoying Christians" once Islam takes over.
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>>135838278
Jews try to kill jesus again.....christians BTFO!
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>>135836946
>Christianity
>Promotes charity, family, self-improvement, morality that has contributed the most to the modern world

>Atheism
>promotes nihilism, post-modern subjectivity

Christianity is the religion of life and atheism is the religion of death. Even if you don't believe in God you can't deny which one is more productive.
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almost everything sweden is doing is christian

in fact sweden would be considered the most christian nation today by jesus

sweden just replaced christianity with marxism, which is basically the same thing just without the fantasy part of it
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>>135838678
>Atheism is inherently not a movement.
t.Self-proclaimed atheist
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>This is who Templarps give as an example of a redpilled Christian
https://youtu.be/PRCVeqvZKt4
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>>135836946
Indeed
Even tho it doesnt matter uf god exists or not in that context, pushing atheism only helps them getting rid of native culture and morals/believs
What do you get if you have people who have no morals beliefs and culture, while you controll the media which feeds them said things to your pleasing
World domination and 7 billion slaves
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>>135844371
>You Christians really need to stop thinking belief in god is the standard normal mode for everybody and if someone doesn't believe it must be the work of jews.
Belief in divinity is natural. Authoritative science is not natural.
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>Buddhists kill Muslims in Myanmar
>Hindus kill Muslims in India
>Atheist Slobodan Milošević BTFOs Muslims the hardest in recent European history
>Christians bomb his country into oblivion to save them
>Christians get on their knees and kiss Muslim feet
How do Templarps even compete?
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>>135836946
>When I saw the lifestyles that aetheism leads to, and how they push it to the goyim
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>>135850282
Do (((atheists))) ever get tired of getting so BTFO all the time?
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>>135850843
>El Spicador
Your Christian country is obviously very moral :^)
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>>135837475
>>135836946
>(((Christianity)))
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>>135841444
Christianity is Jewish
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>>135836946

That's been common knowledge for a while now, for those who are not still blue-pilled.
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>>135849886
Christianity is a kike lie that doesn't even recognize that race exists
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>>135836946
>unlike America which is filled with Christians making it a stupid nation
Christ, I hate Europeans
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>>135851403
This is highly accurate.
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>>135851403
But it doesn't say jews are the chosen people, dipshit.
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>>135850240
Belief in divinity is not natural, it's learned. Otherwise you wouldn't need to indoctrinate kids as early as age 3 with it.
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>>135851481


Not to Christians who aren't kike apologists, and know their history.
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>>135836946
>el salvador
>catholic faggot retard
>hatin on atheists cuz my whole country is retarded and catholic and turning into shithole extravaganza
>hate dem joos tho
>(atheism)(()))((*(*(*(

you need to channel that anger, faggot
and use it to fucking read actual books
sorry to hear you were raped by pedopriests
sorry to hear of your shitty country chimping out
you are handicapped by stupidity so I won't unload the full wrath of my atheist magic on yoooo
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>>135838678
oh shut the fuck up.

Atheism is a movement; it's an obsession about
> MUH SCIENCE AND RATIONALITY
above all else.
It's for fucking autists.
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>>135836946
t. shitskin trying to worm into white society

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-jDH3Sn9Pw
CAESAR'S MESSIAH
Who was Jesus?
Why were the Gospels written in Greek, rather than Hebrew or Aramaic?
Why were the first Christian Pope and saints all members of the Flavius Caesar family?

In his book Caesar's Messiah, Atwill outlines a revolutionary discovery: the series of events in Jesus' ministry described in the Gospels are exact, sequential parallels to the the battle campaign of Titus Flavius, as recorded by Josephus in War of the Jews. From this revelation, Atwill unravels one of the best kept secrets of our modern era–that the origins and intentions of Christianity are far different than we have been led to believe.

The key came in Josephus’ War of the Jews, which describes Titus’s destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. The military campaign exactly paralleled over 40 moments in the ministry of Jesus described in the Gospels; an inconceivable coincidence.

As Atwill presents in Caesar's Messiah, the Flavian Roman imperial family created Christianity to pacify the militaristic opposition to their rule. Even more incredibly, they placed a literary satire within the Gospels to mark their handiwork. This symbolic framework is the hidden history of Western civilization. In his follow-up book, Shakespeare's Secret Messiah, Atwill shows how this typology was understood and employed by Marlowe and Shakespeare, and what it means for the future of the Christian world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=284&v=TY1_sYnr0gE
The Deception of Constantine
Constantine mixed Mithraism, Apollo worship, and Christianity to vault himself into popularity.
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>>135852106
Why don't you go donate to some niggers in Africa about it cuckstain?
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>>135836946
yep

checkmate athiests, pic related
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>>135852106
Not that guy, but that is only the edgy vocal guys who think they are rebelling by doing it. The ones who only trash on Christianity are the worst.

I don't believe in god, but I was raised in a heavily Christian area and hold the same morals and ideals as my family and community. I don't think lack of faith should really count against someone if they simply don't believe but still hold true to the lifestyle. I think it is much worse when you see people who are "devout" being degenerates because they only have faith but can't bother to live by it and just believe they get a pass from confession.
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>>135852307
> popular opinion and the actions of man
cool story
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>>135852501
>I don't think lack of faith should really count against someone if they simply don't believe but still hold true to the lifestyle
wrong. your kids (if you manage to have any as a degenerate) will lose that "lifestyle" and embrace pozzed atheist dogma eventually.
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>>135836946
SLIDE THREADS ARE ALSO A JEW TRICK
KIKE OP UNIRONICALLY KYS

SAGE
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>>135852344
This meme is so old. Atheism (or at least my way of belief) is the belief that there was always something, just floating around. Given the right circumstances, life was formed and here we are now.
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>>135851266
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>>135852344
Athiests don't believe in magic. You've probably never seen the early earth atmosphere + electricity experiments have you. Be honest, how far have you made it in science class?
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>>135851481
>Christianity is Jewish
Jews hate our Lord
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>>135836946
Christianity has poisoned the West's soul with egalitarianism. Thanks for freeing the niggers from slavery and the civil rights movement christcucks.
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>>135853078
Yes, it was fanatic southerner atheists who fought to free nogs, wasn't it?
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>>135851481
>>135853021
The Gospels and story of Christ as we know it was Flavian propaganda to subvert the Jews. It's there to attenuate Jew's power, but anyone who believes in it becomes a cuckold themselves.
>>135852208
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>>135853302
>Wilderness
I like that word, I think we don't have a proper equivalent in spanish.
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>>135852307
Came here to post this


You literally worship a jew you fucking hypocrites
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>>135836946
What *isn't* one of (((their))) tricks??
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>>135836946
typical d&c faggot
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>>135853843
>Came here to post this
Memes are literally everything you (((atheists))) have
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>>135836946
Atheism is mental illness
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>>135836946
wtf i'm a christian now!!
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>>135853302
>the Old Testament is literally the Jewish Torah
>Christianity is developed off Judaism
>people still don't realize Christianity is semetic
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>>135858153
Truth will set you free
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Encasing something in triple parentheses doesn't make an argument, it just proves how lazy and intellectually dishonest you are.
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>>135860644
Christianity opposes Judaism, not due to being an ideological opposite to it but due to not remaining consistent with its slave morality.

Jews monopolize slave morality for themselves, while Christians want to give it to everyone.

Paganism is the true ideological opposite to Judaism since their morality is master, and rooted in the Earth, unlike Judaism and its daughters, Christianity and Islam, who base their morals on pure abstraction, not rooted in the Earth.
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>>135836946
When did you realise that (((christianity))) was also one of their tricks?
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In terms of cuckedness from most cucked to least cucked it goes like this

Abrahamic religions >>>>>>>>>>>> everything else
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>>135861969
This
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>>135862274
(((abrahamic))) religions

It's true
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>>135836946
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=34
~4 years ago
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Considering it's in the protocols of the elders of Zion, it's no surprise.
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>>135862137
I'm Ashkenazi. Where does that fit on this?
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>>135843782
You forgot Kaganovich and Stalin. Both atheist Jews.
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>>135836946
Atheism is the least likely scenario of mankind's creation. To think that skinbags made of stardust left from supernovas formed into sentient beings that now contemplate God is just some accident is fairly ridiculous. I can understand not being a part of any organized religion, but to think there is no supreme, sentient creator is rather absurd.
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>>135848011
christian pointing at someone being brainwashed
thats an irony if I ever saw one
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>>135861969
The problem with (((Paganism))) is that it's literally a meme, a dangerous meme just like (((atheism))), that in the end only serves the purpose of undermining Christianity.
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Give me a reasonable explanation of the beginning of the universe that doesn't require God. I'll wait.
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>>135852307
>that one pic claiming it's Jesus

Reminder the shroud of turin proves otherwise.
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>>135849886
except atheism doesnt promote anything

>>135850240
>Belief in divinity is natural
so children would believe in god without parents intervention ? cool story bro
>Authoritative science
what does this even mean

>>135852106
>science is for autists
ok

>>135862137
/thread
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>>135863179
>so children would believe in god without parents intervention
please explain what you mean by this
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>>135863355
you are literally being brainwashed by your parents who feed you stupid stories and bring you to church to further being brainwashed by your child molesting priest
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>>135863488
I do not understand. Why is religious education brainwashing?
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>>135862886
Christianity is also a meme, it took elements of Hellenistic philosophy and Jewish Spirituality to become the most viral meme the world has ever known.

This is why i called it a "daughter" of Judaism, because despite coming from a Hellenistic Pagan father, it still retained her mother's spirituality and outlook on life AKA (That *this* life is just a test and that our true existence lies in heaven).

Whatever form of "conservative" Christianity you follow only was conservative because it needed to *hypocritically* protect its own existence.
These conservative elements are not inherently Christian in nature but are concessions that were needed to survive.

Now that survival is not really a problem anymore, you see Christianity as it always was at the core.

You just blame the Jews because you dont want to take responsibility for the inherent nature of Christianity, Christianity had every opportunity to succeed for 2 millenia and has only managed to weaken Europe by making heaven more important.
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>>135862886
>t. Mestizo mongrel who is so deracinated that his only source of identity is (((Rabbi Yeshu))).
Take your proto-Marxism elsewhere, Christkike.
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>>135863615
What do you mean by religious education? If I' going to make up a story about an all powerful spaghetti space monster and teach it to my child, it is going to believe it

Im arguing the statement that "belief in divinity is natural"

it isnt otherwise you wouldnt have to breainwash your child to believe in go

thats why atheist children mostly stay athiest because their parents dont feed them untrue fairy tales
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>>135863897
>Calls me a Mestizo mongrel
>British flag
Funny
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>>135863900
If no one ever explained the concept of electrons to a child, would they believe in them? Is the belief in electrons "natural"? Does lack of innate belief in electrons mean they are not real?
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>>135862898
Why does it need a "beginning" in the first place?

You only ask such a question because of how your brain is wired, with binary logic.

We are born and die off and the way we conceptualize the world is a projection of our own mortality.

We think that because we are born and die, that existence around us must reflect this same process, but existence is not such a static process.

We are beings in flux which never truly begin or end.

We think that because we see our vision end at the corner of our eye, that means that there is nothing beyond it, but that's just human limitation.

The universe is not "human".
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>>135848011
Why islam is the only solution for the western Civilization.

The Christian meekly begged the Disbelievers to save the House of what he percieved to he God while the alpha Muslim just went and kicked the "enlightened" Kaffir from near his mosque while walks proudly with his girl with pride and dignity
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>>135852908
you are too retarded. there is an answer that ends with checkmate atheists in an unironic way but it would take a long time to type, and it is completely rational, probably too rational for most
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>>135864118
except youre not explaining anything youre citing a fairy tale
how is that any different than a siberian russian telling their children that a lake is sacred so you cant drink from it or demons will eat you ?
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>>135863735
>Christianity is also a meme
>it took elements of Hellenistic philosophy and Jewish Spirituality
And what do (((pagans))) have apart from LARPing?

Even the sole label of "pagan" is not only historically flawed but plain retarded. There was never a "pagan Church" nor "pagan religion" nor "pagan people". Hellenist religion has more in common with Egyptian religion than with whatever the savages in Scandinavia prayed to back then.
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I can't make a blanket statement about all religions, but the three major monotheistic religions are purely about subjugation. Whether that is subjugation to a tyrannical God, or to the men who claim authority through that god you are still willing slaves. Plebs disgust me.
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>>135864633
What fairy tale am I citing? I'm just arguing for the existence of God.
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>>135864690
They have ancestry and blood, which Christianity places *second* to God.

Paganism IS ancestry and blood first, before all else.

>Even the sole label of "pagan" is not only historically flawed but plain retarded. There was never a "pagan Church" nor "pagan religion" nor "pagan people". Hellenist religion has more in common with Egyptian religion than with whatever the savages in Scandinavia prayed to back then.

Paganism is not an institution, but a way of engaging the world which many different forms of paganism share. They engage the world honestly and through the senses, instead of reason. Pagans use reason the way it evolved to be used, like a tool. Christians believe reason to be the expression of God, and worship it even today.

This is why Nietzsche called Socrates and Plato "symptoms of hellenic decay", because they were among the first to place reason on a pedestal instead of acknowledging its limits.
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>>135864854
I like how you ignored me when i refuse to argue under the monist frame your seem to be attempting to box others in.
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>>135836946
Well, it is humbug. What other unproven theories would you like me kowtow to?
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>>135849886
>Christianity is the religion of life
>muh memes are strong
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>>135849886
>Promotes charity, family, self-improvement, morality that has contributed the most to the modern world

As i pointed out here >>135863735
It promotes such values, not so much as an expression of its own spirituality, but as a means for survival. If Christianity was consistent with the application of its principles, it wouldn't survive long.
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>>135863355
50 IQ points detected
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>>135865578
there is no point in arguing with you when you have no logic or evidence to support your claim
it is pure speculation
discourse require these things
don't attempt to join the discourse if you don't even have a real argument in the first place
>>135865881
not an argument
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>>135851736
maybe if you've never studied Roman history
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>>135838969
>>135838278
A certain saving grace on Dawkins is that he has mentioned Christianiy in a positive light as a force against Islam.
The atheism as a term just means a lack in belief so could encompass variety of persons with vareity of viewpoints.
Though as you probably mean "evangelical" youtube-channel and lets have a conference atheism then indeed it is quite a cancerous growth and has been quite a tool for all kinds of subversion (see atheism +).
The mans belief and lack thereof can be somewhat summarized by the term atheism - though his thoughts on religion as whole and specific religions espescially and of course on any other political philosophical stand it does not say much.
You can be a non-believer or a doubter and hate all religions with passion, or some specifically while admiring other for some non-believing reasons.
You can be even some kind of believer in your own weird little sytem and hate all organized religion.
And finding somebody who is a folllower of some religion and hates all other religions and sects is common enough i guess.
I can see possibility for greatness for religious society even pagan ones. It might be even possible for a non religious society though harder - (it'll have to put a lot of focus into philosophy in this case and is more easily subverted to fall to baser goals)
TLDR there's quite a few atheisms.
Or theres atheism and (((atheism))
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>>135865934
>logic or evidence
What evidence do you have for ANYTHING coming from nothing?

You only have logic, and logic, while a useful tool, is not evidence.
Existence as it has presented itself is not logical and static, it is always changing and in flux.

A "discourse" for you is one where i accept your false premises and framing which conveniently always leads back to monism.

Sorry i don't play such games, i like to think outside the box, unlike you.
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>>135864424
>tfw too rational for other people
Kys seriously.
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>>135838278
A nation without roots it's easily manipulable. Atheism wants to destroy every artificial (cultural) division, like religion, or race.
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>>135836946
lol, like that dumb roastie cunt is an atheist. She may not believe in a patriarchal deity, but she damn sure is spiritual, or at least agnostic.
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>>135836946
When you slowly start to see that while they loved to unleash the atheism hounds on Christians, the Muslim is a protected class, and atheism has begun to outlive it's usefulness to (Them)
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>>135867687
>atheism has begun to outlive it's usefulness to (Them)
This is when (((Paganism))) makes it's entrance.

To add gas to the fire, (((pagans))) know what is going on, but for some reason they believe they're the ones outplaying the jews by doing exactly what the jews want.
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>>135867885
People will think me dumb for saying it, and I think because they don't think past arm length ahead of them, but I actually imagine (they) will eventually engineer for a civic nationalist, neoconservative-style center-right spike in the political climate, maybe even with some religious underpinnings indeed. A number of years into the future of course. Paganism may be a great factor.

(They) don't actually want the west to go Muslim. They just want it to be much more brown. Light brown, less intelligent then previous population pagans sound exactly like the whole desired outcome for (them) of pushing for all the arab muslims and black moors to begin with.
The browner, dumber, nonwhite, easily controlled society was always the intention from the start.
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>>135851761
Have you even read any of the Bible?
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>>135862758
You mistake brainwashing with a belief system. And you make the second mistake that atheism is some sort of default stance free of belief and utterly neutral.
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>>135849798

ah those annoying sundays with them church bells i hate christians
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>>135836946
I came from a relatively non religious household but felt an inexplicable disgust reading about the debauchery in the Weimar republic before the Nazis rebelled, then reading up on the crusades that atheists criticize and realizing they saved us from a much worse fate etc...
Then after starting to dabble in the JQ due to reading a lot of history and just finding myself agreeing with a large amount of fascist views, I honestly found atheism as a movement increasingly suspect due to its prominence in communism and the sheer number of Jewish atheists (highest population by race with secular beliefs)
https://youtu.be/u_LHwKxcOIM
Then I had this video critically wake me back 12 years ago debating a friend concerning Goebbels faith... I was always told by media etc, the Nazi movement was nonreligious, pagan, or a manipulated form of Christianity, I started looking into the Berlin revolt, read das kapitol and realized Marx was a subversive overweight kike with the philosophical and political theories of a rebellious 9 year old forced to church but besides all that, I realized most importantly that atheism is an absolutely kosher faith, the Jews of the Talmud believe in salvation by race and have since 800 A.D. complied to movements of faith to subvert at any time convenient, not ever believing in a god but believing in themselves and trying to convince a gullible horde of goyim to Gahenna so that they might better serve their interests and debauchery openly.
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>>135836946
Don't forget that "Christians" in Sweden are usually atheist or agnostic LARPers that consider themselves Christians even though the reject God.
>hurr derp following tradition makes me xtian
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>>135848011
>>135849798

Yeah yeah, if you lost the christian temples then muslim temples will replace it and evil bad Ahmet will cut off your head... This is total imaginary bullshit if you live not in the Middle East.

After revolution we destroyed churches in Russia and built schools, hospitals and factories instead of temples. And there is no mosques appeared. When USSR falls we start to destroy schools, hospitals and factories and build christian temples. And surprise: the mosques have begun to growth alongside with churches on all the country too.
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When I read this;
http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-with-religion/
Organized religion is almost always a complete sham. Usually just a way for a priesthood class to control dumb peasants. Catholicism and Protestantism both were created by monarchs to further their political goals. But the teachings of Jesus are sound. He fought his own shifty Jew people because he saw their priests exploiting the masses and consolidating power and wealth for themselves.
Lao-Tse and Buddha along with others were also mostly correct. God is in and around all of us and everything, guiding us and all creation for all time. It's resistance to this knowledge that causes grief, anxiety and suffering - a feeling of separation from the whole, of being out of place. Being spiritually disconnected is the cause of the vast majority of mental illness, because it is literally a disconnect from the true reality - God's reality.
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>>135836946
When will you realize that you should stop worshipping a dead kike on a stick
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If you're a Christian or Muslim you have no right to accuse Atheists of being the result of Jews when you literally worship the Jewish bible and in Christians sake, a Jewish man.
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>>135836946
>When did you realize (((Atheism))) was just another of their tricks?
When I realized atheists vote just like jews in America. This was a hard pill to swallow because I'm atheist myself. When I started investigating it I realized that not only were atheists parroting jewish talking points, they were also thinking just like they had been raised by a jewish family. And of course atheists have been raised by jews through academia and entertainment. Jewish thought is a bigger part of atheism than it is of Christianity, which I found shocking. The scope of jewish thought in atheism is of such a magnitude that atheism is a synonym for secular judaism.
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>>135872691
>to control dumb peasants
Why is this a bad thing?
>created by monarchs to further their political goals
Again, why is this a bad thing? You seem to be portraying events through this egalitarian lens which implies that the majority knows what's good for them.
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>>135838969
because there are other religions too
also several of those people have spoken out against judaism particularly circumcision. especially christopher hitchens who isn't in your cherrypicked list
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>>135848011
the guy in blue should have contacted the churches conservation trust, who preserve disused churches
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>>135851651
>Christ, I hate Europeans
Deep down I think they envy us and it makes them act like morons.
>>135862515
>I'm Ashkenazi. Where does that fit on this?
It's riddled with inaccuracies so you can just pick a spot. That's what whoever made it obviously did.
>>135864257
>The Christian meekly begged the Disbelievers to save the House of what he percieved to he God while the alpha Muslim just went and kicked the "enlightened" Kaffir from near his mosque
If you have to use force to get someone to do something are they actually practicing free will or choice? Does God want people to revere him of their own free will or because they genuinely respect him? If it's the former than why didn't God just create robots with no freedom to choose?
Your attitude sums up the reason why Islamic countries default to strong armed despotism that leads to stagnation and why Christian counties remain dynamic and free.
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>>135877110
I got distracted on the last part by someone talking to me.
I mean does God want people to revere him by choice or coercion? If the latter then why not just make robots instead of people?
Muslim coercion to enforce doctrine is why muslim countries lapse into tyranny.
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