who unironically won?

>>135834251
holy shit he wore a yamaka to the debate, what a fucking genius....

>>135834444
He wears it everywhere newfag

>>135834444
Cuz he's too smart.

>>135834508
>keeping up with e-celebs

lol

>>135834759
>first time seeing a sideview of Ben Shapiro

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Unironically Chunk.

He gained the higher ground when he nailed Little Ben down as a Neocon, for supporting the Iraq war.

After that it was all downhill

>>135834508
Tell me about Ben, why does he wear the yamaka?

>>135834759
>holy shit he wore a yamaka to the debate, what a fucking genius....
he's not an eceleb. he has an actual media outlet that is relatively based besides muh israel

>>135834956
>>135834880
>giving a shit about e-celebs

lol reddit needs to go back

>>135834444
Its spelled yarmaluke, anti-semite

>>135834930
ok kiddo, that's enough internet for one day

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>>135834251
Ben since Cenk is more of a manlet.

>>135835025
Pictures of Ben get posted everyday on /pol/, the fact that you never realized he wears a yamaka all the time shows you're a newfag

>>135834508
It's the same color as his hair and he likes to stand higher than the cameras (I wonder why) so it's understandable
>>135834948
I kek'd.

>>135834444
He literally never talks it off

>>135834251
>who unironically won?


It was a worthless issue tho, why not debate about poverty or immigration. Cenk probably knew he couldn't talk his way out of that.

>>135835353
Only when he has to fuck your mom

>>135834251
ben, and if you think cenk won you're mentally defective.

>>135835219
It's impossible to be more of a manlet than Ben.

>>135834251
Honestly no one won but Ben really embarrassed himself and showed his complete ignorance of anything outside of SWJ activism.

He claimed "GDP is higher than ever and top tax bracket lower" when discussing 1970s 91% tax rate on the highest bracket.

This claim is absurd.

It doesn't prove anything. GDP is highly correlated with population size. GDP also must be adjusted for inflation or it's meaningless. If GDP rises less than inflation the economy is not growing even if GDP is increasing.

He literally exposed himself as a mediocre intellectual by making the argument.

>>135835553
Not if you're a roach

>>135834948
It makes him feel unique and stand out amongst other goys in debates

>>135834251
Shapiro, 65:35

>>135834956

>checks flag

Stopped reading right there. Kill yourself retard.

Cenk was arguning with emotion and trying to crack jokes 1/3rd of the time. I'm no economist so i didn't understand the hooker reference from either.

is the ana/ann one worth listening to? I have a feeling ana will be embarrassing to listen to.

Nobody fuckin won. Fat fuckin turk or sonic the kike, it doesn't matter cause the globalists already have all of us in checkmate.

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I didn't watch it. Neither of them are policy makers, what they have to say has no impact on our laws or governance. They're just talking heads, I might as well be watching two literal whos debate.

>>135835556

as opposed to cenk constantly telling everyone to "just google it"

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Aw yeah!
More threads about worthless shit heads that produce nothing but CO2.
While we are discssing people who produce nothing, let's talking about your hungry tummy.
A&W
Good American Flame Grilled food.
Nice and fast.
Don't forget about our root beer!
Now back to useless gasbags;

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>>135835701
>doesnt know the meme
fuck off

>>135834948
A lot of loyalty for a kike

of cooooooooooourse Shapiro won, anybody can google it!!

>>135836073
Whil Cenk did not do himself any favors, i.e.. when he was arguing the velocity of money without knowing the correct term, he was right.

The velocity of money increases when it's spent by lower income people and decreases when it's spent by higher income people.

It's because when you deposit money rather than spend it, it goes through the. banks and other institutions that reinvest it. The money does not unmately flow to the economy but gets caught in bubbles.

The stock market bubble of 2001, housing bubble of 2008 and now the bond bubble of 2017.

The federal reserve can't send money efficiently through the system, they just create bubbles.

>>135836345
>i don't know a reddit meme
topkek

>>135836109
Eeeny weeny teen burger pussy for me please

>>135836544
>The stock market bubble of 2001, housing bubble of 2008 and now the bond bubble of 2017.
The bubble that led to the great depression too

>>135834948
For jew

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>>135834948
His last name is Shapiro... You get that right? Because he is Jewish...

I think pol fucked up your head. Jews are not what the memes presents.

Most Jews are honest to God, capitalists, moral, and law abiding people.

Don't believe leftists.

>>135835556
That means China has a bigger GDP because it has more people? Democrats really don't understand economics do they.

The reason why our GDP is bigger than China's is because of capital investment to create new products and production lines to lower prices and increase productivity. And you can't have capital investment unless you have a low tax rate. Why do you think Canada's economy has grown faster than ours in the last decade? Canada has lower taxes.

>>135834251
Ben won overall. Cenk got ben on money in politics though. He also successfully tricked ben into talking about the southern strategy. Ben should have told him to stop talking about shit that happened more than 3 decades ago.

>>135836902
Jews are literally the most loyal demographic to the left. Something like 90 percent vote democratic. The religion was necessary stepping stone for christianity, but it's by no means a final solution, so to speak.

Also, Marx was jew you dingo.

The problem with jews is they spew multiculturalism and tell others not to operate in self interest when that's all they do. Everybody should be able to operate in self interest, but they should also be prepared to be called on their shit.

>>135836544
You're an idiot. The velocity of money has been going down ever since 2000, and our GDP has grown since then.

Let me tell you how it works:
I deposit money in a bank -> bank lends out to TYT -> TYT creates 80 jobs -> employees spend money

Do you think TYT could have gotten startup money if the money was circulating between McDonalds and Walmart.

And bubbles are not formed by bank investment activity. It's from the Fed creating new money and resources having not caught up.

>>135837041
I said GDP is more correlated with population size, which is true within the same country. As the population grows the GDP rises.

That's also why Japan has not increased its GDP in 15 years, even though it has printed money and used it to buy bonds and other securities, trying to reinflate the system. They can't increase GDP, because they have negative population growth.

If you disagree you're really an ignorant about economics.

I was in the crowd anon. Crowd was definitely more pro yamika. But no one in the crowd was looking to change their mind. They viewed it as blood match.

Personally I think it was pretty even. Cenk did a good job pointing out that Shapiro was a neocon and did't care about people but messed up hard when he started rambling bout shit like southern strategy.

ben did a good job coming up with snarky remarks but had a very offensive tone that would never win an election.

>>135837839
The economy has been growing at the lowest rate since the USA came to existence during the last 8 years despite the federal reserves quantitative easing policy.

>>135836902
Gee I wonder who's behind that post.

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>>135834251
Me, because I didnt watch it.

>>135835943
>is the ana/ann one worth listening to? I have a feeling ana will be embarrassing to listen to.

none of these are worth listening to since you know the positions of all people. however I though ana won that debate. Ann comes of way too harsh and kinda did a cenk where she alienated a lot of ppl with alt-right talking points.

I thought Ben won mainly because he was a lot more agile on stage than Cenk.

All Cenk did was recite tired lefty talking points. That was his entire strategy. Ben at least pointed out some of the severe flaws in the Democrats platform, and Cenk had to agree with.

Ben talked about facts while Jenk talked about feels

>>135835227
ya or that im not in love with kikes like Americans are

Roach vs Rat

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>>135835219
how many phone books is ben standing on?

>>135835556
>literally

go back to periscope, millenifaggot

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>>135834251
Ben won, the little kike can debate what can I say?

>>135835817
>pisses on founders
>nazipperhead flag

dumb

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>>135834251
>jew
>ethnically dark man

Neither

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>>135838933
never fails, eh?

>>135839068
None, they made him podium shorter so that it gives off the illusion that he's as tall as Cenk since they seem to be standing equally to theirs.

>>135838284
ya but Cenkroach kept insulting audience

>>135838056
If you actually understood economics, you wouldn't be a democrat. You would be a republican for sure.

South korea - population growth of just 8% since 2000, but it's GDP has grown 3 times. Same with Canada, Argentina, Brazil.

The reason why Japan's GDP has grown very little is because all its policy are geared towards keeping alive old people.

>>135839490
I think my gets win

>>135839419
>police shoot at suspect
>killed the police dogo too
ironic

What is even the point of these debates? Neither is ever going the change the other's mind.

>>135838313
That's because the US economy was choking from Obama's regulations.

Trump has lifted some of those, and the GDP hit 2.6% growth, which it hasn't done in 8 years.

>>135839167
>pisses on founders
Libertarianism died with the Industrial Revolution, bitch. You just give Jews the power to gang up on small businesses nowadays. There needs to be a balance between some and no government so we can stop that from happening.

>>135839419
is the dog ok?

>>135834251
Cenk undeniably won. He actually swayed me on government sponsored healthcare.

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>>135839881
Forgot image.

>>135839886
I'm gonna guess no

>>135839727
>What is even the point of these debates? Neither is ever going the change the other's mind.

bring in viewers for the event. the introducer said that before the debate began.

>>135839419
niggers are allowed to be shown anywhere on the board, nigger hate threads are just a good way to collect them.

but we do NOT show Man's best friend gore/death. REPORTED

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>>135838056
>I said GDP is more correlated with population size
That is simply not true.

Texas has 20 million people. Brazil has 200 million people. Texas has the same GDP as Brazil.
New York has 40 million people. Russia has 120 million. New York has the same GDP as Russia.
California Has 3% Of India's Population and 125% Of Its GDP.

GDP grows without people.

If knowing this you still disagree, then you are no longer ignorant but a retard.

>>135839984

Considering the audience for these two, their viewers aren't going to change their mind either.

>>135835556
Heres a tip for you and other shills, choosing the GOP flag wont make anyone believe you're an actual conservative.

>>135834251
Cenk's points came out as 91% tax rate is fine and as an hipocrite for trying to get money out of politics while he promotes something more expensive than money that he can give as he sees fit

>>135839490
You're such an incredible faggot. You are an absolute faggot faggot faggot faggot.

>>135834251
ben, cenk is on suicide watch

>>135834251
Cenk literally started a "USA!" chant.. if that isn't an automatic loss I don't know what is.

>>135840441
I haven't seen his argument since I didn't watch the debate but what he wants is for money to stop going to politicians. I don't like Cenk but I agree with him on this one, a politician that is paid off isn't going to listen to his constituents, we don't have any polticians who are willing to take the money and then go "fuck you, I got your money now, I'm doing what I want"

Who cares they're both faggots.

>>135840441

He literally said 91% is too high and repeated said during the debate we need to find a fair middle ground between what corporations pay now and the absurdly high 91% mark. To say he thinks it is "fine" at 91% is bullshit and not accurate

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>>135834508
>not giving a shit about Ben "shalom" Shapiro makes you a newfag

God damn I'm triggered!

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>>135834251

>>135840100
I should have been more clear. it's to bring in viewers for the event so the event can generate more money as the tickets aren't free.

>>135835556
social wustice jorior

>>135834251
Anyone who didn't watch, like me. Cucks.

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>>135834251

I feel like you already know the answer, OP

>>135834444
Shapiro always wears one, dumbass

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>>135841139
Politicians use money to buy adds. Shapiro pointed out that Bernie would be much more thankful for TYT's network kissing his ass through the entire election than for a 10k donation.
Taking "money out of politics" just means that wealthy conservatives can no longer donate, and the left has control of the media so that gives them all the propaganda power.
Its a scam that sounds good. Remember that there are already laws for how funds donated can be used in campaign.

>>135840762
haha. i thought cenk won overall, but that was pretty cringe.

>>135843475
>not giving a shit about a kike's hat makes me dumb

jesus christ I hate these new-flag posters

>>135843681
I would ban media bias in elections.

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>>135841409
Yes he said that there should be a balance depending on what we have to do, however he also said that there was amazing growth during the times when there was 91% tax.

Implying the tax rate being at 91% can actually be acceptable. He said that there must be a balance but he refused to say what it was or if it was closer to 100% or to 0%. Overall the only tax rates he mentioned as examples were the 91% and 86% and refused to say what the proper tax rate should be even when asked openly.

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>>135843946
First amendment prevents that.

So the play is they are protected behind their media credentials as they run multi million dollar ads every day for years, however no one else can spend money unless they invest in them.

>>135839419
Poor pupper!

>cenk
>winning

i guess thats why he went off and blamed the audience afterwards?

fucking kek

>>135843681
>>135844110
Also, it's not about the election itself, the problem is what happens AFTER they get elected. If a corporation or lobbying group has given you money, you are naturally incentivized to do what they want. And if one person/group can give far more money to them than the populace, then they certainly won't fight for the populace.

If it were up to me being a politician would be a job that barely pays any money at all, let's see how many people actually want to be politicians when there's no money in it and it's something you do out of civic duty. Much like how I think volunteer soldiers should be paid a pittance so that only the truly patriotic volunteer to fight for their country and not the mercenary.

>>135838056
Isn't Japan technically overpopulated though?

>>135844625
No just overcrowded, because they still live in only a few major metropolitan centers because they still act like sticking together will protect them from bandit attacks. A third of their population is set to die in 20 years just because they're so damn old.

>>135835459
you don't know how to spot a strawman. You just like ben because he reinforces your previously held dogmatic belief system about 'muh free market'

>>135834444
>who unironically won?
>kosher e-celeb farce
>faggots give them add money

Jews

>>135834251
Honestly, Ben Shapiro. Not because I wanted him to win either (even though I did).

Cenk lost it at some point and couldn't ever recover. It was clear Cenk couldn't even keep up with what was being discussed.

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>>135844555
This just shows that you dont know how this works.

You give people money FOR doing things you want. You give it to them so they keep doing it. There is little to no communication between donors and the politicians. The donors come for the politicians that align with their views and give them money for the campaign through proxy and up to a legal limit of few thousand dollars per person.
Usually the party is the one handing the dirty money. And the party pays the people in it with said dirty cash through many benefits.
Very very rarely can a politician run a money laundry scheme such as the Clinton foundation and those would still be able to receive donations even if you took money out of politics because they are technically private.


So what i mean is that his proposal just makes donating money the right way impossible. What changes really is that the only way to donate from that point onward is illegally, which Democrats are better at doing as proven by clinton foundation, or they donate in kind through the media itself. TYT will receive direct donations instead of Bernie for example and they will grow in size because they support Bernie. Bernie will receive dirty money from the party the same way as he has always had. However Republicans wont be able to legally support any Republican and they will be forced to play the same game.

Chunk lost when his argument devolved into calling Ben a hypocrite.

>>135845659
Then you break up the parties. There should be more than 2 major parties to begin with, it's too much consolidated power.

The system as we have it is too broken, it needs to be smashed with a hammer and start over. I just prefer a peaceful way over a crowd charging the capitol building with guns.

>>135843074
Needs more sweat.

>>135845160
It was funny watching cenk stutter and blank over and over.

>>135844555

Or you pay politicians 250-500k a year and give them the public funds to run for office so they don't need to rely on donors for support.

We've seen with Trump that money doesn't necessarily win elections. At a certain point diminishing returns kick in. Give politicians just enough to reach that point.

>>135839625
all you had to do was look up who this was and you'd see a picture of him wearing a jew cap.

>>135834251
why the jew of course

>>135834251
>actually watching 2 memes debate one another

That's an hour of my life I'd never get back, fuck that. Let me guess, Cenk lost his shit several times and made himself look stupid and thus lost by default, and Shapiro made a handful of good points but whined about muh shoah and muh alt-right trolls enough to be really fucking annoying.

How close am I?

>>135845160

When he started getting booed he cracked. He's not used to it.

>>135847503
shapiro actually didn't mention the alt right a whole lot. until someone called him a racist, then he mentioned all the anti-semitic stuff he got from them. but he called cenk a prostitute which was pretty funny.

>>135834251
From what I saw the kike won. Cenk was meh.