How To End American Gun Violence

>>135813980
Nobody cares about you opinion of America, leaf.
You really are a bunch of spoiled bastards up there.

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>>135813980
MADE THIS THREAD LAST NIGHT
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
SUCKS TO SUCK YOU CANUCK

>>135813980
Molon labe

same leaf, same pasta, every day
report and sage

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>>135813980
No?! YOU SAY 'NO' TO MY AR-15, YOU FUCKIN' PRICK! YOU AIN'T GONNA ABLE TO SAY 'NO' TO ME WHEN I GET TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!

>>135813980
>clip size larger than 10 bullets

Don't worry, no American uses anything that uses clips to begin with.

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>>135813980
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>135813980
How are you supposed to fight a tyrannical government with a 10 bullet clip?

The second amendment isnt about hunting or self defense. Its about overthrowing a corrupt state, something that is looking more and more necessary with each passing day.

Kys leaf

>>135814252
this

>>135814805
Good luck with that. I will laugh as their AR15 bullets bounce off the militaries M1 Tanks.

>>135813980
not until the 1st amendment is updated to fix what I don't like at the moment.

I mean, if we're gonna fuck up America we can at least do it in numerical order.

>>135814653

>not loading your m14 as the manual intended with 10 round stripper clips when you shot half of the mag empty

absolutely rebellious

you spam this every day. saged and reported

>>135813980

Sage.

Fuck you faggot leaf. TRY to take my stockpile.

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>>135813980
What makes you think we would even entertain the opinion of someone who doesn't live here?

>>135813980
>10 bullets
I count 11 gangsters. Nice b8, leaf.

>30 years old to own a gun
After I've already bought a town home in the country, after moving out from the city where I most needed a gun to defend myself? Nice b8, leaf.

>Muh early 20s shooters
A plurality of drivers responsible for accidents are in their early 20s. Nice b8, leaf; I bet you'd raise the driving age to 30 as well.

>Government looking out for anyone but themselves
Nice b8, leaf. BTW, got some beachfront property in Montana to sell ya'.


...Also, we need guns to carry out the day of the rake. Just saying.

At some point you have to get out of the tank, then it's our tank asshole.

>>135813980
Chew soap and die, leaf. There are no exceptions to the second amendment.

>>135813980
end yankees first

>>135815287
>What is bombs?

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>>135813980

I'm sure this point has been made but the problem is that the people who will follow any changes to the laws, and who hold the second amendment so dear are not in fact the ones committing the vast majority of gun crime.

Even I know this and I'm a leaf

Former NRA member here, not gonna lie it's hilarious watching the 2A crash and burn but seriously we can't let people have guns.

>>135813980
remove niggers. /thread

>>135813980
Get rid of niggers.

>>135813980

You doing this so the British will come back for us. We're not falling for it leaf.

>>135813980
Fuck you, leaf.

>>135813980
Get rid of Democrats.

>>135813980
Look, same retarded OP as last time. Fuck off cunt you don't have a 2nd amendment.

stop replying to this fucking thread every god damn day you morons

>>135818909
Midrange kek

>>135813980
>blacks not allowed to own guns
>American gun crime drops to Norway levels

Problem solved dog fucker.

>>135813980
Kys

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Don't worry OP, I keep all of my guns under control. They are very well behaved, but do get into fights every now and then (I keep NATO and Warsaw Pact weapons together. Naughty me)

>>135813980
Kill all the niggers.
That will fix it.
The leading cause of crime anywhere is niggers.

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>>135813980
How to End Canadian Leaf Shitposting

>>135814653
I do. My .45 acp revolver uses moonclips.

Yes , gun is only for police and government.

Like my country

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>>135813980
You fuck up when the first and last sentence of your post wasn't "ban niggers".

>>135820453
More like:
>blacks sent back to africa
>American gun crime drops to Norgay levels
Blacks are already not allowed to own guns as felons are barred from ownership. So to circumvent this, send them back to africa with a "severance package"

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>>135821149
>tfw sending in the cylinder of my .357 to get machined out for moonclips soon

>>135813980
Fuck off skrull shill
The way to end gun violence is to have a culture where people can shoot back in self defence with impunity and destroy black thug culture

If those two things happen you will see a rediculously sharp decline in gun related violence the likes which you have never seen before on this earth.

>>135815287
>The military is going to send tanks down the streets of urban areas
>People are going to try and fight pitched battles rather than hit and run tactics.
Tanks are as useless as drones against an insurgency because of all the collateral damage. A revolution would not be open conflicts, it would be a guerilla war

>>135821272
Thank you for pointing that out North Korea...
Btw, Kim called and left a message...your execution is scheduled for noon...don't be late!!!

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>>135813980
Fuck off.

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>>135813980
7 year olds in the US are more capable of defending themselves and family in emergencies than cucks like you. People like you who want to shit on US tradition and liberty should be permanently banned from entering the United States.

>>135813980
>>135818909

mup beep get a load of these guys!!

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>>135813980
>leaf

>>135815287
You can kill tanks with holes and mines.

You avoid them until you kill a patrol or raid an ammo dump. Most likely they wont try to blow up cities and urban areas.

>>135821622
who made these kinda of paintings anyway, if this was a pre-cnn world surely liberals of Jacksons time didn't have any reason to try to tug on the feeling of susceptible citizens, right?

>>135813980
>making this thread again

Just kill yourself.

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>>135819147

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>>135823535
Get rid of liberals.
(start with the leafs)

>>135823702
I'm a conservative

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>>135823535
>(((mainstream media))) bluepilled
Two of those faces committed crimes over 20 years ago. How is it these recent non-white faces aren't etched into your brain? I know why.

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>>135825266

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>>135825368

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>>135825404

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>>135825474

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>>135825525

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>>135813980
fuck off leaf.. nobody cares.

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>>135825615

>>135813980
>leaf
>still doesn't understand the meaning of the 2nd amendment over halfway through 2017
you're really hopeless
fuck off commie scum

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>>135813980
a fucking leaf.
in you go!

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>>135825667

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>>135814805
>How are you supposed to fight a tyrannical government with a 10 bullet clip?
by weaponizing memes

>>135814252
this

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>>135815287
>Good luck with that.
>I will laugh as the Viet Cong 's AK-47 bullets bounce off the military's tanks

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>>135813980
Your opinion doesn't warrent any kind of reasonable response, so instead I'll just say this:
We own you.
You think you're a sovereign nation, but you're not. You exist at our pleasure. The instant we decide you have something we want enough that we have to take it, Canada ceases to exist.
You enjoy your socialist petri dish in utter international safety only because your owner has the greatest military force in history.

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>>135826292

>>135813980
Nigger and Spic violence is the real problem. They're hunting us.

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>>135826404
How public perception is skewed even further against whites due to police reporting.

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>>135826525

>>135814252
This

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>>135813980
not this shit again from probably the same cuck fuck sage report.

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>>135826602

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>Canada

>>135813980
Counter offer: You get what you can legislate and litigate, we get the same.

Your side lost your leverage when we won the states, you lost the war when we took Heller.

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>>135826719
This pic's stats mostly likely include "white hispanics" as whites and still the disparity is this bad.

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>>135813980

Slide thread. This exact same bullshit surfaced a couple of days ago.

>>135151701

Same wording.

Saged, reported and hidden.

>>135814805
This is one of the arguments that never made sense to me.

Explain to me how one man with an assault rifle could possibly stand a chance against say for example, a SEAL Team? Drones?

The US military is the most powerful in the world. If they wanna take out some of their citizens (god forbid), there is no stopping them. The government will win.

I don't care if you have an army of citizen militas who are all armed with assault rifles. They still couldn't possibly win a battle against the US military and their technology.

Obviously I hope a situation like this never happens but if it did, it's going to be a fucking bloodbath.

>>135826853
>>135826767
>not saging your post

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>>135826853

>>135821008
all those weapons and only a single decent one, the FN... prove me wrong

>>135826921
>implying I give two tugs of a dead dog's dick about /pol/ cleanliness

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>>135826921
I've decided to redpill any braindead anti-gun leftists that might be lurking (of all races). Redpilled blacks (high IQs) understand all this and speak out.

>>135826919
Look at any conflict the US military has been involved in that involves gorilla warfare or citizens fighting back.

We've been in the middle east for 40 fucking years and haven't done anything except kill Osama.

>>135813980
Try and take them, I have no qualms killing leftists. As far as I'm concerned it should be legal to hunt liberals down in their homes.

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>>135827321
>gorilla warfare

Please kill yourself.

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>>135827231

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>>135813980
Ha fag hope you get raped

>>135826198

>>135827391
now now, lets not be the bad guys, liberals should be safe in thier homes, it should only be lawful to kill them if they have left thier property

>>135826919
Adding to this thought...

The 2nd amendment gives US citizens a false sense of control. It's fucking pointless to even try to fight a war against our own government. The amendment is outdated and needs to be updated for 2017 and beyond.

Getting a gun license should be at least as hard as getting a drivers license. Require a certain amount of training, hours logged at gun safety classes or the shooting range. The same way kids are required to get a certain amount of hours practicing their driving skills with an adult in the car.

Restrictions on ammunition, not the weapons themselves.

Don't be dumb there's less gun violence in America then in Norway. Consider also Canada own predicament we have extremely strict gun laws to the point that a restricted(handgun) can only be used at a federally registered gun range, but also you cant even posses what civilians call as sultry weapons....

What's this all gun homicide is done in urban areas with handguns and the rest are with long gun negligence such as suicide or unintended discharge, Sure looks to be going well.

Final point America is one of, if not, the only countries that has given its civilians the right to bear arms against its own governemnt. The price to pay for that freedom is limitless... and it should stay this way if only for that very fact that it is one of the only countries I'm the world that this is exists.

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>>135827524

>>135814805
you dont need more than 7 rounds to rape a constitution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf2IlTy_vnM

also saged

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>>135827621

>>135826919
>>135827586
The only actual argument you've made anything for is that the 2nd Amendment should extend to rocket launchers so that the people can destroy tanks.

"But you might lose if the government started oppressing you" is in no way an argument WHATSOEVER for the disarmament of the public.

>>135827321
There's a lot involved with guerilla warfare and certain challenges to overcome when fighting in a foreign country. Like for example, the complete lack of intelligence networks and years of building assets. Lack of understanding of language and culture.
If the government was to fight in the US, they'd have these networks built in a heartbeat without a language barrier and with full understanding of the culture. Wouldn't be difficult to overcome.

>>135817546

The better argument is that the musket was the pinnacle of soldier weaponry back when the amendment was written. The guns we are allowed to own today are not equivalent to the pinnacle of soldier weaponry today, so we should actually expand on the 2nd amendment to allow us to own anything the modern soldier uses, since that is how it worked when it was written.

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>>135827732
Hundreds of more pics but fuck this thread.

I'll leave the redpilled blacks lurking here with a positive message. Educate yourself and your kids on gun safety. Break free from the violent hordes bluepilled by Jewish race-baiting media and faulty anti-white statistics.

>>135827527
lol, please dont make me laugh
have you fat ass americans couldn't even get here, hell 30% of America cant leave their driveway without a motorized scooter
thens there the winter, you may think new york is cold, or chicago is windy, but on the praries in canada it routinely drops below thirty, with massive wind chill factor not even factored in,
not too mention you cant play hockey worth a damn, your beer sucks

we dont need to fight you, we'll just challenge you to a drinking contest! ... as far coming here and "takin' it" ... what are you going to take, beavers? blue haired femnazis shit-on-your-doorstep bull dyke bitches? FIREWOOD?
SNOW?

Dude there aint nothing here.

Sure America could take over Canada, probably wouldn't even take the afternoon, but you'll go home a month later asking yourself "Why did we even bother?"

>>135827543
They should be afraid every where they reside, they should have to constantly look over their shoulders.

>>135826919
You're forgetting that the American military is made up of Americans who might not be so keen on the idea of killing Americans. Especially when any really attempts at overthrowing the government via violence would most likely come from a right wing movement and the majority of the armed forces are right wing.

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>>135813980
>The 2nd amendment should be changed to specifically say which arms Americans have a right to bear. There are no reasons for ordinary citizens to own assault weapons or weapons with a clip size larger than 10 bullets. 10 bullets should be more than enough for hunting or self defense purposes. You do not need a gun for anything else.
you are obviously retarded the reason that this was never renewed was because it had no impact on crime rates. as a matter of fact it had a inverse affect on violent crime in areas that adopted stricter bans see Chicago.
neck yourself

>>135827543
The left doesn't believe in property rights.

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>>135828360
War gaming always shows this on Day 1.

Leftists aren't capable of understanding that the military is mostly comprised of actual Americans. Who support guns. Who aren't about to fire on their families, friends, neighbors, and innocents in any large numbers for very long.

>>135828657
Things always get simpler as I age.

>>135827790

Might lose? No. 100% sure of loss.

My argument is that it's unrealistic to consider a win against the US military without equal troop numbers and weaponry. Honestly it would be such an unfair fight that yes, you could argue that citizens should be allowed to have RPGs. But that isn't what I was getting at.

The point is that the 2nd amendment is outdated because it doesn't take into account the massive advances in military technology thats has developed in the past 200+ years.
My point is also that the amendment gives citizens a false sense of security.

The only way I can think it makes sense is for personal protection from criminals. But to think that we are capable of winning a fight against our own government is literally delusional.

In the meantime I think restrictions on ammunition, not the weapons themselves, make the most sense. And like I said, requirements similar to drivers training for a gun license.

Again I do not agree with restrictions on the weapons themselves.

>>135813980
Wrong. The right to keep and bear arms is to provide for a guerrilla war against a tyrannical government that would infringe on unalienable and Constitutional rights.
>inb4 muh AC-130 beer can sized bullets
The gooks and sandnigs put up a good fight with AKs (but had more than 10 round clips.)

>>135828360
No I haven't forgotten. But there are plenty of right wing people in this thread advocating to kill liberals, for example.

My argument doesn't include your idea though, I'm just talking about advanced military technology not being a part of the amendment when it should, and restricting ammo.

Whether or not a soldier is willing to kill his own people is a whole other discussion.

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>>135815287
>Implying the military wouldn't dissolve into civil strife as troops refuse to fight civilians in mass

>>135827586
That's right! It's my right to own laser cannons and railguns to defend myself from the government's drones and ICBMs.

>>135826919
Don't be retarded, they would never deploy military force on US civilians. Not because of any moral reason but because they live in the fucking blast radius. They can barely handle doing it in the middle east, can you imagine how many highways they would have to blow up, then rebuild, even in the best case scenario? The people up top are urbanites, they fear traffic more than death, they'd never allow themselves to be subjected to war conditions. The weapons of war are too powerful to unleash in the United States so long as they live here.

>>135828936
Actaully the opposite is true. Even a small civilian insurection by only 10-15% of the population could overthrow American government. There is some good pasta out there on how this is true.
but basically you have to factor in that the government cannot really use WMDs against its own population and still call itself legitimate, moreover 10-15% of goverment/military employees would automatically become moles. Any organization penetrated to that degree doesnt stand a chance of keeping anyhting secret. Also large scale mechanized movement would become impossible, and some of USA's best assets (like the entire Navy) would be useless.

It wouldn't take many Americans to overthrow US government, 45 - 60 million patriots of alla ages is all thats required.

Thats part of the reason the elites are now absolutely freaking out, because they now see the error in thier thinking. They have let other identity groups grow to the point where they could theorictically overthrow the government in a coup. They must now walk a thin line and appease all groups, and as economy shivrels, the line gets thinner.

Its only a matter of time now before a major civil war does break out in a western democracy

personally I say France or Spain

>>135813980
americans are too violent and stupid, it's not the guns fault

>>135830216
also they are fat
its really gross
lasttime i was in US .... just big fat pigs, blobs wandering around, too fat to even walk properly

so gross, just really gross

>>135829800

>they would never deploy military force on US civilians.

Okay let's flip that around. "US citizens would never deploy militia forces on their government".

You're right, they probably wouldn't. So why does the 2nd amendment say we can have guns to use against our government? What's the point?

You make a valid response about destruction of cities and highways, but I think that if shit were to really get bad enough to have an internal war, destruction of property wouldn't matter as much.

I would think more importantly, the US would try to avoid killing unarmed citizens, the same way they do overseas. But probably more carefully.

>>135829768
Hehe, yeah. We all need our own predator drones.

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>>135813980
A.) Slide.
B.) Sage.
C.) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>135826919
>Explain to me how one man with an assault rifle could possibly stand a chance against say for example, a SEAL Team?

Well, that assumes the SEAL team plays ball. The chances of places like Fort Bragg staying on message are right up there with Trump giving up Twitter.

>Drones
Gotta blow shit up. Can you imagine the court cases? Forget the civil rights stuff for a minute. What happens when my neighbor gets droned and my garage burns down? Who do I sue? Who does his mortgage holder sue?

>there is no stopping them. The government will win.

We're not talking about one or two targeted killings. We're talking about having to maintain searches and peacekeeping over 3.8 million square miles and 350 million people, any of whom might be armed and all of whom are the tax base you'll need to put shit back together when its all done.

>I don't care if you have an army of citizen militas who are all armed with assault rifles. They still couldn't possibly win a battle against the US military and their technology.

Ever seen the videos of the fall of Saigon? How's the Afghan government doing right now? Shit, Mexico still has problems with Zappatistas.

>Obviously I hope a situation like this never happens but if it did, it's going to be a fucking bloodbath.

Forget the blood, think about the treasure. The threat of even mild, temporary, swiftly crushed self defense is so expensive as to make provoking it foolish. Look at how the government responded after McVeigh blew up one building. They're still using kit gloves with the militias 20 years later.

>>135830651
>You're right, they probably wouldn't. So why does the 2nd amendment say we can have guns to use against our government? What's the point?

Mutually assured destruction. An armed populace is too much trouble to put down. If they weren't armed, they wouldn't be so much trouble.

>>135813980
>clip
opinion discarded

>>135830180
Eh, I think the Navy would be useful in any of the coastal states. Missiles from a ship travel pretty far. And the Navy doesn't just work on the water. The SEALs work on land obviously. Also consider big rivers that give access to some of the inner states. There's also the Great Lakes.

Where are you getting your "10 - 15%" numbers from? I don't disagree that there would be massive intelligence networks, moles and spies everywhere, but why ten to fifteen percent?

You has data to back this up?

Obviously this whole discussion is theoretical. But my belief is that the amendment needs updating and restrictions on how much ammunition you can buy should be in place. Let people have their toys, just don't let them horde 1000 boxes of ammo.

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>>135826919
Fight a seal team? FFS Ricky, amerifats are true wimps. Fuck I have personally killed entire seal "teams" with nothing but a old baseball bat.
I can fight a seal team. Up here in canada we club seals every spring. They are easiest to club when there young. The meat's not bad, a bit black when grilled, but its good eaten.

>>135813980
>Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason. It is the government's job to look out for our best interest, and it would be a lot easier if they had the ability to take guns away from potentially dangerous people.

Again, I am a 2nd amendment supporter but I think it is long overdue for some changes to account for it being 2017 and not 1791 anymore
>leaf
fuck off

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>>135813980
No one cares about canadians and their shitty socialist opinions.

>>135813980

>Leaf
Fuck off.
>The 2nd amendment should be changed to specifically say which arms Americans have a right to bear. There are no reasons for ordinary citizens to own assault weapons or weapons with a clip size larger than 10 bullets.
No. Yes there are. Fuck you.
>I would like to see the second amendment specify a minimum age for gun ownership.
17-45 age range already exists, leaf. Fuck you. Barring that, if 18 is enough for the army to hand you a rifle, you can go buy one on your own. I say again: Fuck off leaf.
>Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason
No. Fuck you.
>Again, I am a 2nd amendment supporter
No, you aren't. You are shitty bait, an idiot, a liar, a faggot, or all of the above.

Here is your (((You))).

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>>135813980
>i support all the amendments
you mean rights nigger.
>muh assault weapons, muh high-capacity magazine.
if i'd been homicidal, i literally could have killed hundreds of kids at my high school by parking a carbomb along the evacuation path and pulling the fire alarm.

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>>135831491
"The SEALs work on land obviously."

Thats when you club em in the back of the head! Fuck you dont chase em into the water dumbass.

>>135813980
>Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason.

So eliminate the second amendment? Great plan

>>135831491
>Let people have their toys, just don't let them horde 1000 boxes of ammo.

It doesn't take that much for a mass shooting. Sandy Hook was 154 shots. Thats eight boxes of .223. Its just over three boxes of handgun rounds. Are you suggesting we cap ammunition possession at below that number?

If you're suggesting at above 154 rounds, why? What purpose would that serve? Its more than it takes for a mass shooting. I buy ammo in bulk when its cheap and shoot through it over the course of a year or so. Given how the market is, its the only viable way to get through the periodic shortages that come with things like spikes in ownership or massive orders from Governments.

This is why gun owners don't play ball. "Reasonable" regulations tend to either be obviously deficient to people who spend time around guns or are grossly restrictive. Why should we play along?

Suck my dick faggot

>>135813980
James Madison bought a SHIP FULL OF ARTILLERY.

Because 2A doesnt give a shit about technological advances.

>>135813980
The Second Amendment has no place in modern society. When America got organized as a country, they wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to the radical American masses. There’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, the incorruptible State, the only entity deserving of power, has to move to limit it. The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.

KYS you nignog faggot

>>135830924
Both of your posts make valid points. I agree there's no telling if a soldier would be willing to follow orders to attack his own people. But again, this discussion is purely theoretical.
The fact remains that the amendment is outdated, but I think people just disagree with how it should be changed.

As far as the drone thing goes, if we were at that point in some kind of civil war, where your neighbors houses are getting blown up, I think lawsuits would be the last thing on people's minds. It would be complete and utter chaos. And of course, horrible. We are talking about the worst case scenario, something that is almost unthinkable.

I agree with your comment about how peacekeeping 4 million square miles would be incredibly difficult. The government would have to deploy like all their drones and I'm not sure how many we have, and I don't think there'd be enough to use for just surveillance.

I live in a state with one of the most organized and biggest citizen militias. I guess it's comforting to know that if such a terrible thing happened, they'd be around. But I'd definitely worry about their level of success.

What do you think about restrictions on ammunition instead of banning assault weapons altogether? What are your ideas for gun control?

>>135832516
10 U.S.C. §311. disagrees

Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

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>>135813980
The time to liberate your country is long overdue. In the name of Richard Montgomery it will be done. I can't wait to spit on Laura Secord's grave

>>135832853
>What do you think about restrictions on ammunition instead of banning assault weapons altogether?

I'm against both. Nobody has yet given me a compelling argument about what such steps would accomplish and how.

>What are your ideas about gun control?
Constitutional carry. A repeal of the NFA and GCA. Opening NICS to private citizens. Ending FFL black books require a subpoena to search and are statutorily destroyed after 10 years. Constitutional carry, with all prohibited places being required to provide a sufficient number of free gun lockers and armed security. Shifting ATF resources to focus on straw purchases and actual prosecutions.

Also, I'd like to see Roe v. Wade re-litigated as a Second Amendment case. Its the Amendment that makes more sense and tying the two together would make it politically dangerous to use guns as a wedge issue for the left.

>>135813980
Apparently you post this same thing very often. I can only imagine how pathetic you must be to look at. My guess is a morbidly obese Neet. Too bad guns are hard to come by in Cucknadia. If they weren't you'd probably have shot yourself a long time ago.

>>135832516
>Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves
We're reaching cuck level off the damn scale here folks

>>135826919
You are assuming that the people have to fight the military. A couple marksmen taking out politicians is easy as fuck especially if they don't care about being caught and executed. It's like you have never studied gorilla warfare.

>>135813980
Kys faggot

>>135832300
Ah I didn't see this post until I just finished my other one.

I am a pro gun person, but I don't own one. I'm broke and I can barely eat right now but I've always wanted something for protection.

A few years ago I was assaulted by a stranger in my own home. It's was scary and fucked up. The guy's in jail now though. But I do wonder how much worse that situation would have been for me if I had shot the guy. Self defense yes, but killing someone takes a toll on anyone. It's something that I think about when I'm debating 2nd amendment stuff, but it doesn't completely define my opinions.

I am the first to admit that I don't know much about guns, but I also don't believe in taking them away. If there were ammo restrictions, what kind of restrictions do you think would be appropriate?

>>135830651
You are retarded.
Many Americans have some grudge against the government, where do you get the idea that they'd never deploy militia forces against the government?

The point of the 2nd amendment is so that lawmakers are always reminded they live surrounded by armed men who are preconditioned to hate them over their role. It was supposed to keep them honest, but then lawmakers started to restrict their rights.

To the lawmaker and his sponsors, actually using military force inside the US is something beyond a last resort. The military is impossible for them to exercise direct control over and by the time they can deploy them, an armed uprising of even 5% of the population could have control of most of the country in a matter of days. At best, a military intervention to rebellion would be a dead mans switch after the point of no return has been reached. At any point before the point of no return, they would never be willing to have the military be firing block destroying bombs at the people invading government institutions, because they still need those institutions.

>>135813980
how to end american gun violence: kill everyone who whines crys bitches or moans about gun control, kill all faggoty canucks who are ok with 8 year olds dancing for faggots and fucking SAGE

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>>135831913
Dude stop reading my fucking mind... It weird ...
And
>>135813980
that meme is for you

>>135813980
Fuck you here's my solutions

Amendment text: In recognizing that a armed society is a safe and polite society, the benefits of a reduced necessity of police presence, and the great balance it brings between the common citizen and it's nation's Government. There will be no restriction of any kind on any level of government, on what weaponry a citizen of the United States of America may own.

>>135833600
It's like you don't even know how to spell guerilla warfare.

We are talking about theoretical full scale civil war not just political assassinations.

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>>135813980
Slide

>>135833816
The point of the 2nd amendment is so that lawmakers are always reminded they live surrounded by armed men who are preconditioned to hate them over their role. It was supposed to keep them honest

Keep them honest? An honest politician is few and far from fucking between. They're not afraid of their constituents shooting them. They're more concerned about losing their corporate donors if they don't vote a certain way. But this is an entirely different debate.
I understand what you're saying though.

>>135833704
>If there were ammo restrictions, what kind of restrictions do you think would be appropriate?

We already have ammo restrictions and I don't think they're appropriate.

The question shouldn't be "what ammo restrictions are appropriate?" The question should be "what compelling government interest are we attempting to accomplish and will some kind of ammunition restriction accomplish that interest without unduly interfering with a constitutional right?"

What are you attempting to accomplish with an ammunition restriction? Mass shooters use less in their shootings than I do in two hours at the range. Banning accumulation of ammunition in the home would be logistically impossible and certainly run afoul of Heller. Restricting how much someone can buy at once would be a pain in the ass for law abiding citizens but not actually prevent anyone from buying all the ammo they need to kill. Gang bangers tend to use the shittiest, mismatched ammo they can get their hands on rather than high quality hollow points or penetrators. I just don't see a restriction that would do anything to make anyone safer.

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>>135834397
Forgot the >green text for your quote. I'm on my phone it's a pain in the ass.

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>>135813980
Stale pasta

>>135834397
They are more concerned about their donors NOW, but when assassination by their own constituents was a very real possibility that they had to deal with every day, things were different.

>>135814252
This
>Fpbp

>>135813980
Mind your own fucking business, frenchy

>>135813980
(((American)))

>>135813980
Fuck off leafaggot, guns rule and nobody gives a shit about your personalized, arbitrary limits on design and function. Kys.

>>135834399
>Mass shooters use less in their shootings than I do in two hours at the range. Banning accumulation of ammunition in the home would be logistically impossible and certainly run afoul of Heller. Restricting how much someone can buy at once would be a pain in the ass for law abiding citizens

I agree with this. I think what I'm trying to accomplish is figuring out how to keep people safe from gun violence without restricting their 2nd amendment rights.

As said, I wouldn't agree with taking guns away from law abiding citizens or restricting the types of weapons people can own.
I thought then, maybe restricting ammo would be a better approach. Your arguments are fairly successful in convincing me that, the ammo restrictions wouldn't work. I'm a reasonable person and open to changing my mind about stuff.

Do you agree with my earlier post about making more requirements to obtain a gun license? I mentioned required training hours at the range and gun safety classes, similar to obtaining a driver's license. You made a post earlier with a bunch of acronyms that I totally didn't understand. Lol

>>135835417
You keep people safe from gun violence by deporting all the niggers you braindead faggot. Giving the state, which is inherently evil, the control over ANY of your rights will get all of your rights taken away. Slowly but surely, your liberties will be infringed until there is nothing left for you to do except fall to your knees in worship of the mighty government, like we do here.

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>>135835281
Based leaf join us

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>>135813980
sage, faggot

>>135835417
Statistically, gun violence is lower where there are more legal gun owners, due to the higher level of threat when you whip out your piece when surrounded by people packing heat. Also the ratio of people owning guns being violent criminals who gain their guns illegally is way higher in states with gun control laws.

>>135814252
This. Stay the fuck away from our promised land. You belong to the crown anyway, you gash.

>>135835580
If you don't have anything to contribute go back to drooling and fapping to 8 year old anime schoolgirls. No need for your faggotry.

>>135835417
>I think what I'm trying to accomplish is figuring out how to keep people safe from gun violence without restricting their 2nd amendment rights.

The hard answer is that you cannot do both of those things. Most of the "gun violence" in this country isn't about guns. Sure, we get a flashy mass shooter every now and then, but Chicago didn't get to 700 homicides last year from school shooters. Most of the gun violence in this country comes down to a complicated combination of intergenerational poverty, drugs, and organized crime. Guns are expensive as hell, restricting the common purchasers of guns isn't going to do much to manage Willie using a gun stolen from a shipping container that he bought with money he made selling heroin to shoot Tom over a gang related rap diss on Youtube. That problem is bigger than bureaucracy.

As for licensing...I live in Chicago, have for close to 40 years. We've had a licensing system for longer than I've been alive. We had specific licensing in Chicago. We had a handgun ban. We had registration. We have no gun stores or ranges in city limits. We have a tax on firearm purchases. We had no legal carry for years.

None of it did anything to effect the violence in the inner city. Hell, I'm a middle class white professional and I violated the laws constantly without ever seeing any repercussion whatsoever. They don't work. They're not enforceable.

The cost of a robust right to self defense is that some people are going to misuse the tools. Pandora's box was opened on that a long time ago. You can't push the demons back in.

>>135836056
Indeed. I don't doubt that. Don't all states have gun control laws though? At least in some form or another?

>>135813980
>bait thread
>ignoring Seth Rich bombshell
Come and take it, leaf.

>>135836225
This is contribution you cuckold. If you let the government take ANYTHING from you, they will relentlessly pursue the rest of your rights until you are purely dependent on the power of the state to survive. There should be no limits on what an individual can own, because the alternative is the all-powerful state stripping away your ability to live independently as a free man. You Americans need to understand how fucking bad things get and how quickly they get that bad the moment you lose your right to defend yourself.

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>>135813980

Stop replying to this low quality bait.

>>135828936
But that isn't an argument for the control of ammunition either. Your "point" is a total non-sequitur. Even if what you said was true (and it objectively isn't--even the Pentagon believes they would decisively and one-sidedly lose a civil war) it wouldn't be an argument to restrict ammunition.

We would defeat the government handily and effortlessly, but even if we could not, we still ought to be allowed to purchase any weapon, and any amount of ammunition, and you have not proposed a single reason why that oughtn't to be the case.

>>135836463
>None of it did anything to effect the violence in the inner city.

Ah you live in Chi-raq. I'm over near Detroit, so I understand. I agree with all of your post, gun violence is about much more than guns. Only dumbass SJWs think making handguns illegal will solve the problem. It just creates a black market when you prohibit anything. Alcohol, drugs, guns will always be obtainable illegally. Most of the time the prohibition is what creates the black market in the first place.

I still think that obtaining a license should require more education though. Gun safety is something that not all gun owners care about (dumbass kids and gang bangers and shit). Most of them do though, I'm not saying they're all stupid.

There's no black and white, easy solution to the problem. But that doesn't mean that nothing should be done.

I was just talking about taking a weekend trip over to Chicago, wanted to go to the Shedd Aquarium. I love that town. Southside is a fucking shitstorm though.

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>>135837551
Things should be done. Existing infringements upon the right to keep and bear arms should be abolished, and the Constitution should be further amended to punish attempted violations of it.

>>135837234
>even the Pentagon believes they would decisively and one-sidedly lose a civil war

I would love to see a source force this. Honestly.

I'm not claiming to know everything, I'm basing my opinion about this theoretical war on what I know about military technology, but I am certainly not an expert. I'm not military, but I wanted to be. (medical)

I you read further down, someone else changed my mind about restricted ammo. And like I said, I'm reasonable and open to changing my mind about things.

Mostly just having a debate about ideas and thinking out loud.

I don't think anyone will change my mind about requiring safety classes for gun licensure though. It's not infringement on rights and it's for a good cause.

>>135838262
I'm going to go back to what I was doing. Thanks for your informative posts. :)

>>135813980
Based on what you put forward, you are anything but a second amendment supporter.

Perhaps we should only allow people to hire and attorney once they are 25 years old.

Perhaps we should only allow you to freely speak 10 words at a time. 10 words is plenty to make a point.

>>135821730
dont forget that russia and china would arm the separatists

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>>135813980
This shit again? Fuck off leaf

>>135837551
Why require a license in the first place, though? What demonstrable purpose does it serve other than creating a barrier to entry. We've got decades of experience with gun rights, gun regulations, and carry. The absolute best you can say, from a control perspective, is that laws have zero effect on murders.

Look, I get it, the "if it can save one life" narrative is emotionally compelling. The thing is, if you require classes you're increasing the cost of exercising a basic constitutional right. At that point you're creating a barrier to entry for the poor, you're creating a hassle for law abiding citizens. Should a 90 year old woman on a fixed income get herself to a gun range and take a class so she can keep a revolver in her nightstand? Should a guy who has been shooting for 25 years, like me, have to sit sixteen hours so he can prove he knows how to load a magazine or what "draw" means before he can carry a pistol? At what point do those barriers and hassles outweigh the potential benefit of someone who was stupid but law abiding rather than careless?

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If you truly value equal power, arm everyone equally. It is a form of equality that will achieve other forms of equality. Statutory inequality of the sort favored by socialists leads naturally to fiscal inequality of the sort favored by billionaires, which is why socialism and billionaires are the same set of people, fanatically focused on waging class warfare in accordance with the collective interests of their present class as currently constituted.

>>135839753
Hey I saw the thread on the feed so I'm back for a bit. :) gonna get some dinner soon though.

>The thing is, if you require classes you're increasing the cost of exercising a basic constitutional right

I think if people can afford to buy themselves a gun, for at least a couple hundred bucks right, they can pay 60 bucks for a safety class. For the greater good. There's also a minor benefit of creating jobs for gun safety teachers and a couple people to run the phones and do paperwork. Say, one or two safety class facilities in each county adds up to a few thousand jobs.

My parents taught me how to drive when I was 11. They let me practice starting age 12 around the neighborhood, but I didn't bitch about doing the classes to get my license. I laughed at the girls who cried when they had to merge onto the highway, they got so scared the teacher had to pull over. Good times.

I believe you when you say that the classes are an annoyance especially being as experienced as you are. But it's a small part to play if it helps save lives. How many people die every year from gun accidents? The classes would be worth it even if that number is small.

I personally would want a gun class since I have never owned one. I can understand why you wouldn't, but like I said it's a really small thing to do compared to losing someone to an accident.

What kind of gun should I be looking at as a first time owner anyway? Shotgun, handgun? For protection in the home. I might be living alone soon and I'd want something. Cheap. And legal!

>>135813980
Cool trick:
>shoot up a right wing rally
>watch as there are no political repercussions because "muh right to bear AR-15s"
>rinse and repeat until all hicks are dead

>>135818239
This. Death penalty for illegal gun crimes. End. Of. Story.

>>135813980
>Kill Niggers
>Kill Spics
That's it. You've solved gun violence. Check the actual FBI numbers of gun crime by race sometime, and notice there's no "Hispanic" group. Blacks commit over 50% of violent crime and the whites are outshined by blacks even when lumping us in with every Latino.

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>>135828234
Perhaps someday, when all of the white and sensible people are gone, the beaners and niggers that run the ruins of America will come for your lakes. Lots of people in LA ese, we thirsty eh, give us your pinche water cabrone, and your daughters eh.

>>135825266
Can't corner the Dorner tho

>>135845207
Chris Dorner, George Zimmerman, Anders Breivik, Adam Lanza

One will try to protect you, the others will try to kill you. Who do you choose, and why?

It's really simple. The 2nd Amendment means what it says and says what it means.
>all federal gun laws are unconstitutional
>the states have always been responsible for determining how the militia should be armed and organized
>the states should decide for themselves who is in the militia and what types of weapons they should be allowed to arm themselves with
>let the states take the lead on gun rights or gun control and tell the feds to gtfo

>>135813980
What part of "shall not be infringed" do you mapleniggers not fucking understand. It isn't up for debate you stupid leaf.

I believe very strongly in the right to bare arms. That's why I cut the sleeves off all my t shirts. Them god danged librals and queers ain't gonna take my AR boy, leave my precious white babies defenseless against the nigger hordes. White powder.

>>135813980
>I would like to specifically discuss how to effectively change the 2nd Amendment.
It's already been outlined quite clearly: Pass an amendment with a supermajority.
Now eat shit and stay in your own country, subhuman

>>135829418
This

>>135813980
FUCK YOU STOP MAKING THIS THREAD

>we need to change second admendment
your seriously a faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcf9CLMQuRQ

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Looky here a shill from the left posing as an authoritarian. Fuck off shill and come take my rifle fag.

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I should have know a Canadian ultimate cuck would post this shillary again. Fuck off shill and go suck trannie dick.

>>135813980
How is this poster not banned?
Is this shit on a timer? It's EVERY DAY.
Also. The faggot isn't even a U.S. citizen - you don't get an opinion.
Also. How is this politically incorrect? It's as politically-milquetoast as it gets.

Sage and hide his fucking retardation.

>>135813980

Pasta thread.

Sage.

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>>135813980

>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

>>135813980
"Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason. It is the government's job to look out for our best interest, and it would be a lot easier if they had the ability to take guns away from potentially dangerous people."

The second amendment was designed so the government couldn't just take people's guns away anymore

>>135814334

>>135813980
I suggest that we have the right to arm black bears, panda bears and polar bears, but not grizzly bears. Those fuckers are bad enough as is.

>>135813980
>I am a 2nd amendment supporter
liar

>>135813980
We don't have a gun violence problem. If you would look at the numbers again you will see 75% of it is suicide, and the rest is niggers and spics shooting each other up in the hood. Like .05% is "gun violence "

>>135814252
T H I S

H H

I I

S S

>>135814334

>>135813980
>I'm a limp-dicked pussy.

kys

>>135813980
Cucknada at it again. Hope mods banned you

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>Repeal the 13th amendment

profit?

>>135813980
Stfu you maple syrup drinking, hockey worshipping, Moises fucker. Canada isn't even a real country

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>>135814252
That

>>135813980
The whole point is to be able to pull off a revolution when your government goes full retard. How do you not see that?

>>135814805
Thank you , based english oppressor.

>>135815287
Rofl.

>>135817039
Hey hey , chill bro , want a nuke?

>>135813980
Commit suicide you fucking spamming faggot. Stop posting this shitty thread you goddamn subhuman.

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>>135814653
>What is an SKS

>>135842584
Alright I think it's time we annex Canada and enslave their population. Except the natives, they can stay. They just mind to themselves anyway.

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>>135857101
my man

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>>135847692
If all gun owners are backward hicks then all lefties must be social justice, feminist, wack jobs too right.

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>>135857545
Really, who doesn't have one at this point?
My set up right now. just ordered a WASR on GB, but the seller is being giving impossible to communicate with.

>>135813980
>1 post by this ID
>Anti-gun bullshit
>Leaf

>>135813980
>rifle deaths (all rifles... not just assault rifles) account for only 3% of gun violence deaths per year. If you confine that to "assault weapons" it's even less
>that's less than 300 people per year vs the 11,000 total gun related deaths.
>assault weapons ban 1994-2004 didn't affect that number.
>of 11,000 gun deaths, 6,000 are black men. That's over 50% of gun deaths by 6% of population. 90% of black gun homicides are perpetrated by blacks.
>98% of deaths are from handguns..
>"ban muh salt weapons!"

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I am literally cleaning guns as I sit here and read this...

>>135858125
*Rusts*

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>>135857804
thats gun broker for ya, best of luck,you'll get it though.

>>135832516
How dare the surfs have too much freedom, god forbid if they said something offensive against a religion, political party, or person that would be hate speech. Or the unwarranted search and seizure of private property? Screw that the police should be able to barge in whenever they want for whatever reason.

>>135813980
Nice slide thread cuck, sage and scribe nerds

>>135830483
Last time I was in fagleaf country all I saw was stinky frenchman, hipsters, and bearded bear men with an annoying fucking accent eh?

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>>135813980
DUPLICATE THREAD

>>135857101
Expensive. People are trying to sell that shit for $850, nowadays.

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>>135813980
>1 post by this ID

Everyone, it's a shill thread by the worst enemy - leaf. SAGE goes into the options field.

>>135813980
nice try spook. were on to you. don't try to take our guns...you'll regret it.

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Just a matter of time now OP...

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>>135813980
Youre not allowed to have an opinion on America leaf. Neck yourself you pasty NEET.

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>>135814334
fug

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>>135858125
There. Guns all clean again.

>>135858187
Stainless steel.

>>135814334
frick

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Lol. Lot's of good news these days!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/01/grandma-home-alone-opens-fire-home-invasion-suspects-killing-one/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/01/man-allegedly-attacks-concealed-permit-holder-with-fork-after-church-gets-shot/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/01/police-armed-walgreens-customer-shoots-robbery-suspect/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/31/gop-rep-introduces-legislation-to-nullify-state-level-gun-controls/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/31/police-armed-citizen-takes-alleged-attacker-kroger/

>>135813980
I support all opinions and all, But I would like to specifically discuss how to take care of the LEAF problem.
Suggest your final solutions, but don't forget to sage

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>>135826765
when the criminals have more rights than you in your own home...

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>>135863420
>how to take care of the LEAF problem.

Early evening is the leaf problem.
Daytime is the British / Euro problem.
Early morning we have the Australians.

But they are just jealous or want to at least discuss and learn about guns even if they can't have them or not as many as us Americans.

At least the insure there is always a gun thread on /pol/.

>>135813980
>>135813980
>I support all the amendments that Americans enjoy,
>but
Stopped reading. Sage in all feilds.

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>>135813980
Most states already have mag size restrictions as well as only allowing semi auto weapons. Anything more generally requires paperwork and a licence.
>you don't need more than a 10 round mag
You say that but if you go up against bears/multiple coyotes you are going to want something around that size in case the first few rounds just aren't enough. I remember hearing stories of revolvers ricoshaying and only really breaking/fracturing bears bones. If you hunt anything that hunts in a pack I personally wouldn't leave the house/truck without 20 rounds on my person in case there's more.
We have many reasons the government can stop people from buying guns (don't think they take them away unless you commit a crime with them) I personally can't buy a gun right now just because I have a medical marijuana card. Although anyone 21+ without a card can buy whatever weed, guns, both.
Also most weapons used in homicide are pistols and No one under 21 can get those leagally.
The 2nd amendment works it could use some very MINOR REVISIONS though just so it's more clear to the courts what is and isn't allowed under it as it currently is a little vague and open to interpretation.

>>135864558
Why 10 round ? You can still do mass shooting with 10 round. So what it's mean the 11th round make you a criminal monster ?

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I think the amount of ammo a magazine or whatever a person can carry should be based on how strong they are. A single person can only carry so much weight. If they want to lug around 500 rounds all the time that is there business and nobody else's.

Young shooters almost never attained their guns legally, leaf

>>135814334
Bullocks

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>>135865664
>Young shooters almost never attained their guns legally, leaf

Only 4% of guns used in crime were originally purchased legally. Criminals don't want legal guns anyway since they can often be traced. In fact many times criminals will sell a legally obtained gun to buy an untraceable stolen one.

Criminals don't give a fuck about gun laws. Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens.

>>135813980
A fucking leaf, mind your own goddamn business.

Want to cut Gun Violence drastically? TAke them from Liberals and reopen insane asylums. Sage