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Dunkirk is the most SHITTY Propaganda Film
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2017-08-01 08:04:22
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One thing that REALLY got to me was the fact that it glorifies the elites. One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht who went to save the soldiers. Thing is England had a class divide (and still do), rich people considered themselves superior both morally and physically to the lower classes (soldiers). No rich person would ever risk their lives saving soldiers when the wealthy see the working class as the scum of the earth. I call the movie dumbkirk for making a rich guy the hero.
>inb4 communist
This has nothing to do with communism, ask any Englishmen if England has a class divide
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>>135795714
>One thing that REALLY got to me was the fact that it glorifies the elites.
That's where I stopped reading, then I saged the thread.
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>>135795714
>communist flag poster
Stopped reading right there
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SPOILERS
The rich guy lost his son in the war dumbass, that's why he went.
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>>135795863
Enjoy your ban then
>>135795922
>rich people
>ever losing family members in war
Wars are ALWAYS fought by the working classes. In real Dunkirk the rich stayed behind sipping tea and talking about how the war is a great Malthusian way to kill off the poor while the working class sailers actually saved the soldiers lives.
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>>135795714
>No rich person would ever risk their lives saving soldiers when the wealthy see the working class as the scum of the earth
Got any statistics to back this up?
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>>135795714
Real sorry OP we don't have a class divide. What we do have is fat fucks living in council houses claiming every benefit in the book saying theirs a divide, when in truth there isn't
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>>135796481
I can't prove a negative. I know that no one who was wealthy actually fought in the war or had their kids fight in the war, and if they did join the military they were never a front-line private. Always some office position. This is evident by the lack of any sources to any wealthy soldier.
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>>135796811
>Triarii
>They were the oldest and among the wealthiest men in the army and could afford high quality equipment. They wore heavy metal armor and carried large shields, their usual position being the third battle line. They were equipped with spears and were considered to be elite soldiers among the legion.
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>>135796734
Well I don't know about today but DEFINENTLY pre 1950s. I still believe there is one today though since wealthy English consider non-wealthy English subhuman.
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>>135795714
Yes we do have a class divide. Unfortunately even that's withering away until we are one amorphous consumerist blob with no other culture than McDonalds and Netflix. Class divides occur organiaclly because contrary to Marxist theory, people are different and much of that difference is predetermined biologically. We are not a tabula rasa. Some individuals are worth more than others.
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>>135796956
So they literally didn't fight, they sat behind everyone else? HAHAHAHAHA
>>135796988
Bro, Macdonalds and Netflix is CLASS DIVIDE, the wealthy elite bougoiuse. Also yes maybe there is some "natural hierarchy" as some right-wingers put it. But why does one group get 99% of the resources since they are a bit better than everyone else.
Besides it's not like intelligence is passed down from generation to generation.
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>>135796811
>I know that no one who was wealthy actually fought in the war or had their kids fight in the war, and if they did join the military they were never a front-line private
690 million people served in WW2, I'm gonna need to see some actual proof that not one of those people was wealthy.
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>>135796986
Our lowest class is subhuman, just look up the Jeremy Kyle show
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>nolan is a fucking hack
>water is wet
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>>135796230
>Wars are ALWAYS fought by the working classes. In real Dunkirk the rich stayed behind sipping tea and talking about how the war is a great Malthusian way to kill off the poor while the working class sailers actually saved the soldiers lives.
Not true
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25776836
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>>135797187
>their usual position being the third battle line.
Yeah dude, they literally just sat around and watched not doing anything. The Roman Republic paid them to stand 20 feet away from their enemies and not fight.
That's exactly how it works.
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>>135796230
Wars are ALWAYS fought by the working classes. In real Dunkirk the rich stayed behind sipping tea and talking about how the war is a great Malthusian way to kill off the poor while the working class sailers actually saved the soldiers lives
There was a draft you dumb fuck.
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>>135797187
>Besides it's not like intelligence is passed down from generation to generation.
Except it is. You can influence it environmentally to varying degrees but there's a physical basis to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BZylziBKI
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>>135797434
forgot my comedy chevron to indicate quotation
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Nothing propaganda about it.
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>>135797201
Prove to me there was one wealthy soldier. Trying to prove there wasn't one is like trying to prove non of the soldiers were transgender, it's up to the one standing there is one to find it. How can i do a negative search, read the bio of every single fucking soldier and then say it?
>>135797323
So the men who formed the industrial revolution were subhuman, all those scientists like Newton and Hook were subhuman, Margaret Thatcher was subhuman?
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>>135797335
I read that article too, and guess what. They say that the wealthy served in the army not fought in the army. John McCains son was in the war but he served in an office ordering poor people around
>>135797355
Sure buddy, capitalism totally sends the wealthy kids off to die
>>135797434
>draft
The draft is how they ensured only poor people got sent. By only selecting the poor. That's why you never hear any Senators or royalty getting drafted it's always factory workers and fishermen.
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>>135797860
I just proved to you that Triarii were wealthier and higher class than an average legionnaire and they still fought in battle.
You have a scrawny dog in the fight, that's why you're being so disingenuous.
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>>135797462
I really hate to use anecdotal but I find that's not true. My dad is MENSA IQ but I'm special needs and have several learning disabilities. My friend's dad is a rich corporate owner and he's in special education class as well. Intelligence maybe passed from mother/father to son often but no way will intelligence be passed down for 500 years which is how long these noble families last
>>135797540
It's literally all propaganda
>>135797975
They didn't fight, they were third which means they sat behind two rows of men.
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>>135797860
4. The upper class got off lightly
Although the great majority of casualties in WW1 were from the working class, the social and political elite were hit disproportionately hard by WW1. Their sons provided the junior officers whose job it was to lead the way over the top and expose themselves to the greatest danger as an example to their men.
Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured.
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>>135798070
>They didn't fight, they were third which means they sat behind two rows of men.
This is true
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>>135798254
Ok I admit you are right there, but why only 20% serve? I thought all young men served yet only 20% at Eton?
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>>135797668
George Joseph and S. Daniel Abraham.
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>>135798376
>>135798316
It's just if all wars are created by the rich for their own enrichment why would they personally fight?
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>>135797668
Maggie and Newton were far from poor, Maggie's dad owning a couple of stores and Newton's owning land, Newton was born in a manor (pic related) but you already know this as this is a bait thread.
Furthermore the is a difference between the scum class seen on Jeremy Kyle and working class people, but as a trend the lower class you are the uglier
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>>135798070
>They didn't fight
Explain why they were in battle and did fight then?
Did you ever hear the saying "it comes down to the Triarii?" Not like you'd admit it even if you did, but the fact was that usually the light troops in front would defeat the enemy before the third line was ever needed.
If your argument is "rich people have never fought" then it's absolutely wrong. If your argument was "rich people are considered more important so didn't fight AS MUCH" you'd be onto something. But that's not your argument so that makes you retarded.
>>135798316
>armed men on the battlefield didn't take part in combat, they were they for decoration
Commies confirmed for pea-brained.
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>>135798432
You just answered your own question.
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>>135798432
>all wars are created by the rich for their own enrichment
Oh come off it. Let's say we get rid of the ruling class (as your ilk brutally did in France and Russia) you think it will be all smiles and roses? Aggression is human nature. People have in-group preferences. People will naturally form groups and given that resources are scarce, conflict will erupt over these resources between groups.
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>>135798494
You have to understand Marxist Theory. Just because someone has wealth doesn't mean they aren't working/lower class. The wealthy/upper class are those who own the corporate state or in the Feudal times owned the land. Margaret Thatcher's dad owned two grocery stores. I like to compare myself to her since grandfather owned two grocery stores and despite being the richest person in the town he grew up in still liked to consider himself proletariat since he is still a victim of the police state, the military industrial complex, the legal industrial complex, the banking scams of wallstreet, the FED pumping prices up, and the economic drain of wealth of the capitalist class.
Even doctors and top notch lawyers are proletariet since they are not the rich. The rich are those who hire them.
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>>135795714
What a fucking tryhard. Shitposts with the communist flag. Edgy 22 year old gaylord.
The quality of shitposts has gone down. Ppl like you are a dime a dozen now.
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>>135798594
Except the rich don't care about wealth that much to actually serve in the war, and it's not like them serving in the war would add any effect to their wealth. It's much better to force proletariets to fight for you.
>>135798865
Sorry for flag change. Haven't been on for a while and was curious what the kekistani flag was
>>135798754
Bro, the ruling class NEVER gotten rid of. You see in France it was replaced with military dictators and crony capitalists. In Russia it was replaced with the Communist Inner Party members, each fighting for the enrichment of themselves.
Wars over resources are actually the dumbest idea ever because wars cost more in resources than they can obtain. Look at the Middle East war, all the oil they could possibly capture isn't enough with a 5% profit margin (profit margin of oil) to pay down the 6 TRILLION dollar debt that those wars cost.
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>>135798875
At least i don't have the cringy Christian flag.
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>>135798523
>>armed men on the battlefield didn't take part in combat, they were they for decoration
The Triarii were the last line of defense. Not the first or even the middle. This means they could run if things got bad. Or perhaps they would surrender. Or perhaps they would destroy the enemy once everyone else died.
In a war the best place to be is always in the rear with the gears.
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>>135798865
So if a doctor works self-employed or is hired in a private or public hospital then he is proletariat, but if he later on makes his own hospital and hires other people he becomes a capitalist?
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>>135799139
>Except the rich don't care about wealth that much to actually serve in the war, and it's not like them serving in the war would add any effect to their wealth
You're assuming that wealth is the only motivating factor for war. Given the examples that have been provided of rich fighting in war, that is obviously not the case.
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>>135799294
>still arguing that armed men on the battlefield were decorations
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>>135798865
Oh look... A rich kid arguing for communism! Where exactly are you from?
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don't reply to posters who don't show their real location
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>>135799353
You got it! I'm actually grateful for that because it seems like most people on the board consider anyone who doesn't work in a factory to be bougaise. Whenever i see "well if commies killed the bougaise doctors and lawyers how do they blah blah blah". Anyone who's not the corporate controllers are proles under Marxist theory.
>>135799486
Then what are the causes of war, ww1, what motivations would a country have to serve in that and want to win.
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>>135799592
I'm far from rich. And it doesn't really matter where I'm from since people everywhere are the same (either proles or bourgs). And even if i was rich again it's not the "rich" who are the problem, no one considers lottery winners the source of our economic mess. It's the capitalists those who constantly suck resources from society.
>
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>>135799703
I'll show the flag if you want.
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>>135799586
Never used the word decorations
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>>135795714
>Literally posting under a commie flag
>"In-inb4 c-communism"
Whew
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>>135795714
do poor people own boats big enough to transport a lot of troops? wouldnt the owners of the biggest boats be able to carry more and thus be more heroic? do poor people own boats? are men trained in navigating usually poor or wealthy?
Why are you a hater of people that are better than you?
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>>135799954
It does matter where you are from when you are claiming you know about my country
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>>135799778
So if a man were to use automation to create a large business and hire no one, he would remain a proletariat?
>ww1
It was a fairly pointless war, though hardly indicative of all wars.
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>>135795714
>see title
>click
>see flag
welp, it's decided, im going to go watch it in theaters instead of waiting for Redbox
fuck you commie faggot
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>>135796230
>rich people
>exempt from the draft
LMAO is Marxist "history" as fake and empirically wrong as marxist "economics"?
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>>135799187
Not an argument
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>>135800211
You can be a common sense capitalist and agree with what I'm saying.
>>135800238
Poor people actually do own boats, many fisherman would pool their money to rent big fishermen boats. I hate rich since they are inferior to me morally
>>135800319
Alright, im from Canada, specifically Newfoundland which until 1953 was British land.
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>>135799954
>people everywhere are the same (either proles or bourgs)
people who are smarter, faster, stronger, more socially adept are not the same as fat, lazy, shiftless, inarticulate. Jobs that pay more go to people who are able to do them. Retards don't write novels or build bridges.
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>>135800139
That's what you're essentially implying when you say the Triarii didn't fight, when there have been recorded instances of Triarii fighting under the command of Scipio.
Explain to me why you would feed, house and equip men who quote, "didn't fight." What logical reason is there to give men free things and have them stand on a battlefield?
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>>135800527
A
FUCKING
LEAF
sage and ignore.
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>flag
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>>135800565
lol I think most commies just envision rich people to be evil soulless porky memes, despite their higher intelligence and more moral behavior
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>>135800341
Ok that's where the laws are getting drawn. We're going to have to rechange definitions. IF in the future owning automative technology becomes common for all then NO, if in the future automation becomes something only the rich have then I'd still have to say they were bourgoise. This is a tough one since Marx never lived to see automation, only semi-factory automation which still required people
>>135800397
It defends Statism btw
>>135800504
Name a rich person who was draft. Bush's, Trumps, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, NEVER SERVED. Even Will Hunting said it
In fact in Lincolns day you could literally pay 300 to escape the war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOZllbNarw
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>>135800520
Neither is your argument
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>>135800527
The actual guy the boat character was based off of was 2nd lieutenant on the titanic or some shit, he had remorse his entire life
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>>135800527
>One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht who went to save the soldiers
>Poor people actually do own boats
Which is it
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>>135800527
>I hate rich since they are inferior to me morally
actually they are by far superior since they have contributed jobs and much more valuable labor to the economy than sub-120 IQ swine like you
plus ric people are much more charitable with their money
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>>135800527
Explains it all
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>>135795714
They've been pushing monarchy / divine right to lead pretty hard recently.
Probably to prep the next gen to be good serfs.
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>>135800650
Enjoy your ban
>>135800565
>build bridges
>write novels
How come writers and bridge builders are poor then? Except of course for a few elite novelists.
The rich are not better, they got lucky
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>>135800919
Remorse for what?
>>135800935
Many poor fishermen used their fishing boats to save soldiers
>>135800940
>contributed jobs
Didn't know wage-slavery was good, well, you never learn younger!
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>>135800994
Yep, after automation serfs is all citizens will be
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>>135800809
I don't care about convincing you of anything except for the fact that you're not welcome here and most people find your Nazi-tier religion to be abhorrent and retarded
>it defends statism
you know, libertarians are quite literally statists
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>>135801248
All of those people dying, he probably believed he should have done more to save passengers.
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>>135800809
>This is a tough one since Marx never lived to see automation, only semi-factory automation which still required people
But he predicted that the technology would come about, did he not?
>Didn't know wage-slavery was good
Wage-slavery is a spook
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>>135801248
So you judge the poor fisherman on his actions: saving soldiers
But you judge the "rich" Yachtman on how rich he is and not his actions: saving soldiers
Makes sense.
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>>135801248
>never knew wage slavery was good
Yeah, it's what made the US the richest country on earth for almost the entire 20th century
You Marxist swine with your self-contradictory and empirically indefensible "theories" and worldviews disgust me.
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>>135800527
>I hate rich since they are inferior to me morally
Today I learned poorfags can think of themselves as being virtuous simply by being poor. Is everyone who has more than you evil? Are people who have less than you morally better?
I get how this works. You think people have money because they are evil. This lets you feel like you deserve what they have by virtue of being poorer, thus not evil. The lie is where you pretend that you can do what a rich person does. Bill Gates had the idea to put a computer in every home and office. Can you do that? You have to explain how either you CAN do that, or that evilness is somehow a necessary ingredient in order to do that. Then you have to ignore his philanthropy. Basically you have to ignore a lot of reality in order to feel like you should have what people better than you have earned. The alternative is to be a better person tomorrow than you are today and we all know there's no fucking way you will do that.
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>>135795714
This thread is the most SHITTY commie bait
SAGE
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>>135795714
>rich asshole who owned a Yacht
You have no basis for calling him an asshole. I also thought Dunkirk glorified the soldiers just as much, if not more than, the yacht-owners. People are complex, and our loyalties extend far beyond class lines.
Besides, the British (unfortunately) allied with the Soviet Union. You should be more grateful for their sacrifices you little shit.
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>>135801290
>after the computer is invented, wHERE WILL ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THE CALCULATIONS BY HAND AT NASA WORK?!?!?!?!?
>once the automatic harvester is invented WELL ALL BE SERFS THERE WILL BE NO JOBS LEFT
>better transition to communism (which slows down your economy or causes democides in every real world application of it), it's the only way!
what a joke.
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>>135797323
Jeremy kyle is middle class 8D
You can see the lowest in Blackpool, they all wear pyjamas in the shopping centre and high street
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>>135795714
WE GET IT OP. We saw through the scam a long time ago. No wonder they're trying to shut down Peterson's shit.
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>>135801322
>that graph
I don't understand it is it saying that wages have mostly kept up?
> don't care about convincing you of anything except for the fact that you're not welcome here and most people find your Nazi-tier religion to be abhorrent and retarded
No one cares about your ancap tier religion, and only nutjobs think it will ever come back. Keynesianism is the future.
>>135801414
Soldiers are working class, he was wealthy, what did he give a rats ass about them?
>>135801513
Because he got rich making others poor, so it was his fault they were there in the first place
>>135801468
I don't know enough to talk about automation and Marxist theory. I know he mentioned how increases in efficiency made life of the worker more hellish since it destroyed jobs. Communism is good since jobs are only needed for productivity and not for the sake of jobs themselives. But wageslavery is real
>>135801558
Actually it was the spirit of industry that made America rich. Jobs that actually did productive things. Rich people jobs make the lives of the 1% better but don't build nations. Your capitalist world view. Capitalists are unempathetic and disgust me.
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>>135795714
>One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht
The character was middle class and the boat was hardly extravagant
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Fuck off commie it's a great movie
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>>135801634
Bill Gates never put a computer in everyones home. It was the employees he hired that did. That could easily have been done without giving one idiot 87 BILLION dollars. The state could do it and keep the 87 billion in profits for say the proletariet. You are poor not because of laziness but because of capitalism itself
>>135801897
You're a terrible troll
>>135801911
>the USSR
They fought against communism more than anyone by sending Trotskyists to the Gulags. Listen, the Yacht owner was shown to be a good guy when in reality the rich are only loyal to the rich.
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>>135800527
Every damn time.
Sage.
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>>135802002
>I'm sure once cars are invented, horses will find other jobs, hehehehehe
>>135802102
>Jordan Peterson
>calls the proletariet losers
>literally calling 95% of his students "losers"
What a fucking joke
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>>135802194
>capitalists are unempathetic and disgust me.
literally displayed no empathy for anyone and thinks everyone with $1 more than him is evil and should be punished.
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>>135797187
The Triarii also had to have been veterans of the lower rank first with X years of experience.
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>>135802194
>But wageslavery is real
Nah. If someone doesn't want to work for a wage they are free to work self-employed, in a coop, in a commune, or for commission.
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>>135796230
>Enjoy your ban then
>Thinking that people actually get banned for that.
Thinking
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>>135802198
My dad runs a law firm and even that would be costly. We're saving up for a Yacht but that boat would still do a toll, sort of like a middle class family buying a car. Boats are very expensive.
>>135802241
It was garbage.
>>135802523
Enjoy your ban
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>>135798366
He didnt say that 20% served, but 20% of those from Eton who served died.
Also not all young men served, Britain introduced draft pretty late in the WWI.
You uneducated communist nigger.
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>>135802194
>Soldiers are working class, he was wealthy, what did he give a rats ass about them?
>tfw commies are so removed from humanity that they don't understand the concept of empathy anymore
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>>135802601
I have empathy to the poor, do rich people?
>>135802604
I thought you said they were the wealthy?
>>135802613
Except you can't. You see in the year 1700 you could start your own business, now you can't because Megaindustries dominate the marketplace.
>>135802624
Saging is against the rules.
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>>135802737
20% from Eton died, yet 1/3 of soldiers died. HMMMM wonder what happened to that 13% difference.
Also Britain introduced a draft immedietly in ww2
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>>135802793
I have empathy, i can't imagine the ruling calsses do.
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>>135795714
>One of the main characters was this rich asshole who owned a Yacht who went to save the soldiers.
Are you aware of the fact that this actually happened?
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>>135802194
>I don't understand
of course you don't, you're an economic illiterate who worships a 19th century philosopher who collected NO real world data to base his theories off, only broad generalizations and hypotheticals such as "labor is the only source of profit" and "machines depreciate exactly as much as they add value" (I shit you not, this is one of the hypotheticals Marx used to justify his LTV, which is necessary for almost all of Marxian "economics")
>capitalists are unempathetic
to the contrary, you're the one who doesn't value human life or productive activity, such as actually creating jobs
>rich people jobs don't build nations
yeah lol maids build nations not entrepreneurs or businessmen XD
>Soldiers are working class, he was wealthy, what did he give a rats ass about them?
HMMMMMMMM MAYBE THE WHOLE IDEA OF "class consciousness" HAS INFINITELY MANY HOLES IN IT AND MONEY ISNT LITERALLY THE ONLY THING PEOPLE HAVE COMMON BONDS OVER
nah, Marx said otherwise, so i'll just believe what he said :^)
>the spirit of industry
so.... the spirit of wage-slavery, since all of those jobs were wage slave jobs (except for the ebul capitalists!)
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>>135802793
This is communist mindset for you. They consider morality a bourgeois social construct and understand only some sort of loyalty, based on common interest. Thats why they cannot comprehend acting like a decent human being.
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>>135802844
>Except you can't
Then explain all the self-employed people, communes, people on commissions, and cooperatives?
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plus the whole premise of the movie is inaccurate because it only shows Brits on the beach when we all know the Americans/Canadians/Brits stormed the beach together
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>>135802954
Not 1/3, but 12%. You wanna introduce a communist school of mathematics?
He was talking about WWI.
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>>135802010
That is why I said the Jeremy Kyle SHOW, met him at Wentworth once
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>>135802435
>if you invent something useful
>it's not you who made the product possible
>it's the people you paid and gave jobs to
you are such a fucking retard.
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>>135802991
>I have empathy, i can't imagine the ruling classes do.
Why not? We're all human. Empathy is a universal human trait.
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>>135795714
Back in those days the upper class served as pilots and officers during the war. But it's not exactly what happens today.
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>>135800022
do it
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>>135802435
>>135802435
>Bill Gates never put a computer in everyones home. It was the employees he hired that did. That could easily have been done without giving one idiot 87 BILLION dollars. The state could do it and keep the 87 billion in profits for say the proletariet. You are poor not because of laziness but because of capitalism itself
This is just idiotic in every way. Are you saying that any objective that requires more than one person to complete and will generate profit should be submitted to the government first so they can do it instead?
Do you realize how many people are living the good life because of what Gates did? All the IT jobs, office workers, microsoft execs and underlings. millions of people are living in comfortable homes because of his vision. Here's a fact you can't dispute: If you work a full time job you will not be poor, and if you are, you are spending beyond your means. You don't get to eat lobster every night if you are a paperboy. God you people are fucking retards.
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>>135803306
Erm have you seen even the trailers or have a bit of ww2 as you seem to have Dunkirk confused with D-Day
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>>135803087
Apparently it didn't. It was based off a TITANTIC luitenent. 30 years eailer
>>135803096
>Venezuela meme
>He doesn't realize it was the capitalists who fucked up that nation
>of course you don't, you're an economic illiterate who worships a 19th century philosopher who collected NO real world data to base his theories off, only broad generalizations and hypotheticals such as "labor is the only source of profit" and "machines depreciate exactly as much as they add value" (I shit you not, this is one of the hypotheticals Marx used to justify his LTV, which is necessary for almost all of Marxian "economics")
Anyone who is a capitalist is an economic illiterate. Capitalist "economics" is a joke. It's not real, and labour is truly the only source of profit since even GOLD requires someone to transport/extract it. Also it's true that machines depreciate value by LOWERING WAGES
>to the contrary, you're the one who doesn't value human life or productive activity, such as actually creating jobs
Creating jobs? You mean increasing the number of slaves? Of course not i think that should be banned under the 13th amendment.
>yeah lol maids build nations not entrepreneurs or businessmen XD
Yeah sure it was the golf business and Yacht business that built America, not the railroad builders and cotton farming and mental working.
>HMMMMMMMM MAYBE THE WHOLE IDEA OF "class consciousness" HAS INFINITELY MANY HOLES IN IT AND MONEY ISNT LITERALLY THE ONLY THING PEOPLE HAVE COMMON BONDS OVER
sure
>so.... the spirit of wage-slavery, since all of those jobs were wage slave jobs (except for the ebul capitalists!)
I respect jobs as long as they aren't WAGE SLAVE JOBS
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>>135802844
>do rich people?
hmmm why don't we see who's donating and giving jobs the most to poor people. Is it other poor people?
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>>135796230
My great grandfather was a member of the Canadian upper crust and a Lt. Colonel of the Regina Rifles at the Somme. He was machine gunned and survived, spending the rest of the war training his battalions replacements as hard as he could so that they had a chance of survival.
He cared for his men and Empire enough to spend a great deal of time away from his daughters and regretted every day of his life. His youngest died and it put strain on him... He went to San Francisco as part of his job and died there in the twenties due to his war injuries.
My great grandfather cared deeply for his men and his family and the war destroyed him, just the same as it did for his men. Communist shit stains like yourself do the best you can to eliminate the sacrifices and contributions of people that are better off than you financially because you are an envious, greedy, little piece of shit.
My great grandfather was as much a patriot as any other man on the front and for you to denigrate him and his achievements simply because he knew how to read and write makes me sick to my stomach. You are a repulsive cunt. Fuck you.
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>>135803637
No I'm not
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>>135802702
Thought you said you were far from rich
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>>135803158
They are a lucky exception
>>135803309
1/3 of soldiers died in ww1. That's 33% of soldiers died in ww1. Only 20% of Eton soldiers died in ww1. So 13% more soldiers died in ww1 than Eton soldiers. Why did Eton soldiers have a 13% higher chance of survival?
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>>135803494
Even if that's case you should pay reparation to the people for wageslaving them. Besides it's not like J.P Morgan invented anything or Rockefeller actually invented anything.
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>>135802844
>I thought you said they were the wealthy?
Yea, because they had to buy their own gear to get the promotion? You cannot be promoted to Triarii if you cannot afford the minimum standards of gear. They had earned their place in the highest order of battle and also had the money to buy the bits of kit required, it is not rocket science mate. Most nerdy kids know this by the time they are 13.
The army had not yet supplied gear for their troops at this time, hence why certain wealth was needed for certain jobs and age was also a huge factor etc.
Your point is so broad and wide stretching that you cannot possibly be correct.
I also challenge you to refute the fact that Alexander the great took part in the anvil cavalry attacks (often getting wounded) on the enemy in the thickets parts of battle along with his nobles.
If that is not an example of someone of incredible wealth and prestige partaking in actual battle then nothing will appease you.
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>>135803733
Dunkirk was the evacuation of the British army from the beaches of Dunkirk in 1940 there was no storming of beaches by the allied forces
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>>135803677
>capitalist ecobomics
>he thinks captalism is an economic school
>technology decreases wages
>you'd be richer if we just smashed all those fascist technologies
>doesn't even try to defend the LTV
>doesn't even know about the only school of economics he's ever read about
how you take yourself seriously...
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>>135803513
Yes but greed poisons mens minds. Convinces us that we are better because of profits. Same reason you walk by a homeless man and think "get this dirty bum off" but if you saw your friend in a ditch or some rich guy in a ditch you'd think "poor guy". Same reason whites laughed at black slaves, social constructs clouds mens emotion - CHAPLIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAd1WJ9gXo0
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>>135804059
>Dunkirk was the evacuation of the British army from the beaches of Dunkirk in 1940 there was no storming of beaches by the allied forces
Pretty sure you have your facts mixed up anon
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>>135803850
>They are a lucky exception
You are able to join a commune right now. Why do you choose not to do so?
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>>135796811
Do you know how I know you are wrong? You are posting.
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>>135804101
communist ideology is a social construct, as is communism itself
Good troll if that's what you've been doing
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>>135803306
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>>135795714
Cool story, commie
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>>135802844
>I have empathy to the poor, do rich people?
Saying you want to punish rich people in order to get a piece of their wealth is not 'empathy for the poor'. It's plain old greed and envy masquerading as 'empathy for the poor' so you can make your greed seem like a virtue. You are doing nothing for poor people. This is the oldest lefty scam in the book. Wealthy people donate to causes like mad. Billions and billions of dollars. They make it possible for you to live as the 1percent globally.
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>>135803548
i did
>>135803601
Bill Gates destroyed so many jobs with the computer. All the people who did equations.
>if you work a full time job you will not be poor
Then why is my family poor despite my dad working full time? Why was everyone in my ancestry poor? Why are we still PROLETARIET
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>>135803691
>rich people give the most slavery to poor people
How is that good? This just makes me dislike the rich
>>135803732
How am I insulting your grandfather? He was a poor proletariet just like you or me
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>>135797668
You have subhuman intelligence.
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>>135803793
We are far from rich. My dad makes like 400K a year which isn't even 1%. And 1% isn't even rich compared to these guys like Rockefeller and Rothschild who run our financial markets and hide behind the anonymity of the corporate state.
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>>135795714
i have never read a word from that flag, either braindead or Laper.Also my captcha. Sage
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>>135804582
yeah lol a voluntary agreement where both parties increase their wellbeing is slavery
>still doesn't even know what the LTV is
good troll honestly
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>>135803959
Well I am still yet to understand why, why would the wealthy risk their lives fighting in wars? All wars are bankers are they not
>>135804064
You clearly never read any economics school, you never read anything but Freddy Hayek. Maybe try reading Keynes or Marx or even seraching up who these people are will change your minds.
I have realized at this point you are trolling and will stop responding shortly.
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>>135804671
ok you cheeky cunt, good troll. You're not really doing any favors to anyone by shitting up the board and (you) farming though
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>>135795714
That and it fails to tell the viewers about why the soldiers were being shot in the water.
Hitler was in peace negotiations with the allies during the encirclement, Churchill was warned not to attempt escape or they will be fired upon.
So just like at galipoli the british left a small french holding force to keep up appearances at the frontline and left all of the equipment behind and made a mad dash for the sea. It was foolish of hitler to try and sue for peace knowing how likely the british were to just run. It doesn't change the fact that the men being slaughtered in the water were betrayed by their government so they could continue to please their jewish overlords.
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>>135803732
I'm sorry for your great grandpa. I've been watching for quite a while now The Great War JewTube channel, you might like it. They talk both about the "grand view" things and anecdotes from the soldiers.
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>>135804671
Good game.
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>>135798366
I need you to try to understand something... In WW2, 26 million men served under arms in the US Armed Forces out of a population of 146 million. That's 1/7th of the total population of the United States.
To have 20% of an entire graduating class fight overseas is 1/5th. There was a considerable portion of upper class people engaged in the war effort.
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>>135804898
I've read them all actually. You don't even know the basics of your own supposed ideology
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>>135795714
>(((Commie)))
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>>135804293
How and where do i go?
>>135804348
please leave troll
>>135804378
I'm not in the 1% globally at all. My family only earns 400K a year which as I said doesn't put us in the audition for guys like the Sauds, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds. Globally Americans are very poor, not poor like Africa poor, but poor compared to the rest globally who at least live in countries where the rich pay some tax like scandinavia
>>135804691
Enjoy your ban.
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>>135795714
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>>135804809
>voluntary
Ok you're a good troll
>>135804909
You're a not bad troll but the flag gives it away as obvious. Make it the Republican one
>>135804985
You're a really really bad troll.
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>>135804436
YOU ARE CALLING YOURSELF POOR AND YOUR DAD MAKES 400K A YEAR. By any standard YOU ARE IN THE ONE PERCENT. Just google 'how much money one percent'.
How about this asshole. WRITE A FUCKING CHECK TO THE IRS. They will redistribute it for you. Make sure it's for 90percent of your familys' income. I'm sure your dad wont mind skipping the fucking boat he wants to oppress the poor with.
cool troll thread by the way. you can't possibly be this stupid.
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>>135805042
But it was the 1/7th poor people.
>>135805083
You don't know basic economics, but of course you do and you are just trolling.
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>>135798432
Perhaps your communist indoctrination is fucking wrong. Maybe it's just bigoted propaganda meant to divide people into classes in order to seize the wealth of those at the top? Could very well be that it was all just a scam to get rich at the expense of others. It wasn't perfect back in the day... but rich people aren't this caricature that you've built up. I'm not rich. I'm a union man that works hard for his money and even I can see it. You're just parroting a line.
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>>135805176
>How and where do i go
http://www.ic.org/directory/communes/
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>>135805346
>400K a year is 1%
Alright you're trolling, no one is THIS STUPID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEe4oaSC88
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>>135805287
>he keeps replying
>he thinks 400k isn't the top 1% globally
>he thinks Scandanavia is more wealthy than the US
yeah good troll there's no way someone can be such a rich, self-deluding asshole
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082385/We-1--You-need-34k-income-global-elite--half-worlds-richest-live-U-S.html
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>>135805479
retard. http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/income-rank/index.html
it's so easy to find this information.
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>>135805622
Alright you're pushing it, your trolling was convincing at first but now it's just annoying.
America alone is 5% of the population, so it's mathamatically impossible for more the 1/5 the population to be in the 1%
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>>135805828
My flag literally changed and i never even changed it.
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>>135805479
>Alright you're trolling
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>>135805913
>502K a year
BTFO
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>>135806071
>doesn't know what an average is
I think you should stay out of economics
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>>135804582
No, my great grandfather was a wealthy member of the British elite, you fucking imbecile.
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>>135806255
Well my family has been in the economics/law business for i think 5 generations so i have to follow. It's clear that your brain isn't advanced enough for economics.
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>>135806531
Then why don't you know what an average is?
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>>135806365
You said "Because he knew how to read and write" I don't hold a grudge against that. And how wealthy we talking?
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>>135796811
You're scum of the earth. KYS
Sage
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>>135806531
Communism never worked.
Capitalism made it possible for him to be in the one percent.
Loves Communism
Economics whiz kid.
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>>135806594
I know that for the average of certain states it's more than 500K
It doesn't show the national average.
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>>135806650
>And how wealthy we talking?
Wealth doesn't matter, remember? >>135798865
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>>135806740
enjoy ban
>>135806791
Learn economics bro. I'm not in the 1%. In fact Marx refered to lawyers and accountants (my family business) as the "intellectual proletariet" and said they were equally as discriminated as the manual labour proles.
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>>135806933
What i mean was. Did his family just have a nice hat or was he actually like Aristocrat/elite/establishment
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Few examples of wealthy people that fought in war:
The red BARON (KIA)
TE Lawrence
Von Stauffenberg (Executed)
Adolf of Nassau (KIA)
+ Every medieval Knight that fought
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>>135806849
Here's something you might be able to actually understand then.
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>>135795714
Mcfucking kill yourself
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>>135807429
Red Barron was a pilot though, he was safe away from where the working peasants fought
Also knights don't count they rarely fought of the front lines.
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>>135807429
Don't forget this man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart
Alpha af.
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>>135795714
How could you get anymore fucking spasticated to believe that a fishing bought is a Yacht? I hope you fall down the stairs and die the most uneventful boring death
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>>135807447
Income is dropping? Capitalism at it's finest
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>>135807797
They said in the movie it was a Yacht you dumbass.
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>>135807868
I'll take that as an acceptance of defeat.
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>>135807429
Knights werent always rich. Typically theyd be sworn to a lord of some nature (baron, duke, king, etc) and would enjoy the hospitality of that lord. However some knights were not bound by oath to any lord and were basically freelancers, known as hedge knights.
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>>135808085
Fine! Because i don't even know what we're arguing anymore. I don't give a fuck if im in the 1% or not. It has no affect on the global capitalist structure or my point. Remember this is about ideology.
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>>135808318
Well why not join a commune then? That way you can work while not contributing to the global capitalist structure.
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>>135799778
Germany for example wanted to expand her territories, especially former German lands and Colonies, also to deescalize the rivalry in a brutal but hpefully effective war which would benefit mostly and stop geopolitical Isolation.
The British feared that their Monopoly in trade and naval superiority and large colonial empire could be endangered, German domminance and an eventually German Europe would destroy British interest if they would not be able to ally with them, which was not benefitial due to Britian then having few opportunities to resist an immediate French Invasion of the mainlands and Africa and the Russians eventually taking India.
Wealth is a factor included in many aspects, a state has interests, they differ from goverment to goverment and ruling class, but Monarchies are tending to be more economically and politically motivated,doing wars more often, while communists mostly do war for Revolutional,ideolgcal purposes, often supporting Proxy wars and Guerilla movements, Democracies are people-friendlier as they can't take Action without all institutions agreeing and public Support, crippling it's Aggression, even if the public opinion is not valuable itself.
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>>135808318
>I don't even know what we're arguing anymore
>I don't even know what we're arguing
>I don't even know
53 posts and you're starting to reach a conclusion
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Curious, Mr Commie, how much money have you donated to the proletariat recently? Are you even working class or some champagne socialist faggot? Most likely the latter.
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>>135804898
>Well I am still yet to understand why, why would the wealthy risk their lives fighting in wars? All wars are bankers are they not
So in other words your world view is so focused on wealth and money you cannot fathom why someone with money would so anything other than sit around having fun.
No wonder you want to redistribute wealth so badly.
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Son of Charles Keating, millionaire.
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>>135808593
I hoenstly don't know what that is
>>135808942
I consider myself a middle class proletariet, I have no donated anything because donations aren't going to change the capitalist structure.
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>>135809226
I doubt he ever risked his life.
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>>135809226
Honestly it's almost redundant at this point, the OP's points have been debunked long ago.
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>>135808944
Marxists always accuse Capitalists of being greedy evil bastards - but their entire fucking worldview is predicated on the idea that having wealth is the only requirement for happiness and a good life. It's astoundingly hypocritical
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>186 replies
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>135809237
Essentially, you're all talk and no action, then.
>I FIGHT FOR THE STRUGGLES OF THE WORKING CLASS MAN
>I myself am a sheltered middle class soft-bodied whiteboi who has never looked at a homeless person
>Do NO volunteer work
>Donate to no charities
Being an ivory tower-dwelling champagner must be FUN.
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>>135809237
>I honestly don't know what that is
Here's a bunch of communes where you can live a communist lifestyle while not contributing to capitalism. http://www.ic.org/
>I have no donated anything
I knew it, you're a sociopath. That's why you can't empathize with anyone else, that's why you literally cannot understand why people would do anything other than act in their own self interest.
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>>135809237
>I honestly don't know what a commune is
top fucking jej now this is proper bait
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>>135809568
I'm a proletariet, im the victim of the system, why is it my duty?
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>>135809727
You're a proletariat with the means to redistribute your excess wealth to your fellow, poorer proletariat in the working class. The fact is you don't want to do that shite now, and you won't in a commie society. Nothing wrong with that.
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>>135809639
You're a really bad troll. I'm 18 why would i ever need to know what a commune is? My dad has a job arranged once i get out of law school so i never really think about this shit
>>135809577
I'm actually very empathetic, i just understand poverty will never go away until capitalism is gone
>>135809922
Bro, it's not my job. If i give the proles more money they will lose it within a year.
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>>135809979
Doesn't matter if they lose it. Everybody must be equal.
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>>135809979
>I'm actually very empathetic
You are not willing to do anything to bring down capitalism.
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>>135810170
Donating won't achieve that goal due to the nature of capitalism
>>135810195
What do you call this thread? I also flip people off if they are driving sports cars and refuse to work for any corporation other than my job. I actually could have gotten a good job at a private pool but chose to work for the Young Mans Christian Association since it's a non-profit org.
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>>135810477
I like you, you're a funny one. This was a funny thread
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>>135810477
>What do you call this thread?
Going to a right-wing forum and incompetently arguing for communism, thus pushing people away from communism.
>I also flip people off if they are driving sports cars
And this makes the world more communist how?
>refuse to work for any corporation other than my job
So you DO work for a corporation.
>chose to work for the Young Mans Christian Association since it's a non-profit org
Like you just said, charity does nothing to bring down capitalism.
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>>135804974
The more I learn about it the more I empathize with the times. My great grandfather was born exactly 100 years before me... Helps me look at a date in history and be able to place myself in events.
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>>135805176
Fucking Christ this trolling is visceral.
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>>135811007
>Going to a right-wing forum and incompetently arguing for communism, thus pushing people away from communism.
This makes people communist, it's how i was converted
>And this makes the world more communist how?
Showing the fellow proles that no one likes the rich
>So you DO work for a corporation.
No once im out of law school
>Like you just said, charity does nothing to bring down capitalism.
Obviously. I'm only working for the money but i refuse to work for a megacorp.
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>>135806650
Wealthy enough to buy a commission in the Canadian militia in peace time. Wealthy enough to own properties in Kitsilano and to buy them in cash. Wealthy enough to have graduated from University and put his daughter through a master's in economics. Wealthy enough to own several lumber mills in a number of countries. His wealth was pissed away irresponsibly, but all of those things that he accomplished were not things to be done by the proletariat. Those were reserved for the elite. University, let alone Cambridge, was not something that just any pleb could get into at the turn of the 20th century...
But all of those things are entirely available to anyone today.
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>>135811591
What on Gods green earth does that mean?
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>>135807613
>He was safe away from where the working peasants fought.
>Until his plane was shot down and he died.
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>>135795714
Is this poster serious? Its too stupid to be sincere. Too unintimidating to be trolling. Too un funny to be satire. What is this?
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>>135809727
You're the kind of person that people like me put against the wall when the proletariat rise up, son.
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>>135795714
Too many rich people lost their lives in that war. That's why Brittany was broke by 70's.
Total Wars are like diseases. They know no class. No boarder, no mercy
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>>135797187
>So they literally didn't fight, they sat behind everyone else? HAHAHAHAHA
You don't know how battle lines work. Or really how anything works, seeing as you're a dirty commie.
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>all these retard redditors responding to this obvious bait
come on guys
u fuckin joking?
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