OHHHH FUCK, NORTH KOREA GONNA GET FUCKED UP

"I'm saying it's inevitable unless North Korea changes because you're making our president pick between regional stability and homeland security," he added. "He's having to make a choice that no president wants to make. They kicked the can down the road for 20 years, there's no place else to kick it." - Sen. Lindsey Graham

i wonder if Kim played Homefront. either way, its not gonna happen. (Homefront i mean, as Obongo was the only POTUS to fuck up and let Kim win, with Trump, i think it will be a repeat of WW2 Pacific Front, with Korea instead of Japan, except NK wont last as long as Japs did)

>>135759174
Yeah this will be a short war if no one else gets involed.

It'll only be a short war against the government of NK, there will probably be a long insurgent war unless we nuke.

>pol supports war now


HAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>135759174

>Modern day North Korea takes over the entirety of Asia and proceeds to invade the states

Thank fuck that stupid franchise died out.

>>135759664
yes im sure all those Happenings were non war or high magnitude catastrophic events

>>135759664

Pol doesn't support anything, least of all war. We're libetarians.

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>>135757093
Good bring on the draft riots and further destabilizing of America so we can restart this bitch.

>>135759888
>We're libetarians
we havent been libertarians since 2013

Skyking skyking Do not answer

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>>135759664
>>135759888
We support happenings which lead to war.
So we love chaos, right?

>>135759714
https://youtu.be/pHd-iMgY-lc

Homefront Kim looks nothing like Real Kim.

and also i think Kim would attack China too, because Chinks hate Kim too.

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美 공군이 북폭할 그 순간 부터

국정원은 국내 간첩들 제거 실시할 듯

옛 통합진보당 당원, 전교조 등 조직 인물들

다 잡히겠고 엄중한 처벌을 받겠다

그들의 운명이다

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>>135759664
Given that they are starting to work on missiles shot from submarines and are saying they are going to destroy America on almost a daily bases what choice is there. Left or right president, a bunch of unhinged nut cases stating they will to kill you, and are quickly moving towards be able to do so. At what point do you stop waiting and watching to see what happens.

>>135757093
All bark and no bite. US won't do shit.

>>135757093
Nothing is going to happen

>>135759664
pol supports chaos

>>135760536
Pretty much.
We waited to long and now war is all thats left

>>135760627
shouldn't you archiving shit?

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North Korea should NOT be allowed to defend itself or be in charge of itself. Only the US can shoot missiles. What if maybe someday North Korea uses them against a target?!

>>135760536
America and South Korea have been preparing for this as long as North Korea has. And America doesn't settle for a Communist Unified Country. And sure as hell not after our Failure in Vietnam.

>>135757093
>if thousands are going to die
Kek. More like tens of millions. Im sure South Korea and Japan are happy to hear about Trumps stance on this.

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>>135759459
>short war
This will be 100 bigger than Iraq or Afghanistan, and those wars took years. For a backward country NK has a very powerful military, one of the largest standing armies in the world, and a brainwashed populace who won't surrender.

Dear Kim-
Was it your people breaching pier security in Virginia last week?

Need2kno

>>135760894
Good then we can get asians killing each other also.
Already got the shitskins doing it.

>>135760238
Swick

>>135761025
Yeah and to add to that they have been developing a MASSIVE underground series of tunnels and networks that will allow them to stay out of the open while firing or moving. They literally have been planning this war for 70 years

>>135761405
Fucking batman with prep
This is gonna be hard

>>135757093
Let's be honest. Isn't NK a sitting duck to the constant barrage of air strikes from the many aircraft carriers the US has?

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>>135757093
http://www.strawpoll.me/13593307
http://www.strawpoll.me/13593307
http://www.strawpoll.me/13593307
http://www.strawpoll.me/13593307
http://www.strawpoll.me/13593307

>>135760536
Uh, maybe work out a deal. The deal NK offered was more than fair.

But America insists on encircling Russia, China, and the rest of the world with its army bases, nukes, and nuclear shields.

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>>135760741

an incredibly arduous and deadly war with nk pulling all the sneaky guerrilla shit they can muster. they'll probably nuke themselves before surrendering their land to the americans

>>135761642
They have outdated but numerous AAA that would chew up Hornets. Bones and Spirits are probably capable of avoiding the AA systems but with so few, it would take forever to complete objectives.

>>135761642
can a carrier strike group float on boiling water?

>>135761405
No American boots, only American nukes

>>135759714

IIRC they were going to make it China but at the last minute changed everything to Norks to avoid stepping on the toes of potential customers.

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>>135757093
>Implying americunts have the balls to attack
kek. Burgers only good at bullying third-world middle eastern countries.

>>135761642
See>>135761405

>>135761025
Cleaning up the mess that's left behind will also make dealing with the aftermath of Iraq look trivial.

>>135759664
We just want pics of real concentration camps, the footage coming out of country if we invaded would be unreal

>>135762031
Actually yes. They would need to lower displacement to account for the buoyancy concerns but they could float in it.

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>>135757093
YESSSSSSS

>>135759664

I want to see something get nuked in HD.

I don't want a global nuclear war (too many Euros and SEAsians killed with hardly any niggers), but a limited one would be dandy.

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>>135757093
>thousands
>nuklear war
Try again, Drumpfy.

>>135761025
Fucks sake, you really think North Korea has a chance? They're the equivalent of the South Vietnamese Army, but with a bunch of shit America already experienced in Vietnam. They'll be as much of a Joke as the Chinese Army.

>>135759664
>pol supports war now
Always have. Just not against /ourfirends/.

>>135762239
Didnt vietnam have tunnels left over from fighting the french that the US had trouble with? Imagine the network the gooks have created in NK after seeing how effective tunnels are in guerilla warfare.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2017/05/21/war-with-north-korea-an-inside-look-at-how-us-troops-would-respond-worldwide/

>>135759664
I support war as long as it's against communism. Get out of the middle east and nuke North-Korea already.

>>135762740

Well, hundreds of thousands is still thousands.

Norks could probably get 1 or 2 sub-50 kiloton devices somewhere, but a million killed by such isn't realistic.

>>135762451
How many milliseconds would that take?

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>>135761025
Iraq had one of the largest standing armies with similar equipment. The occupation was so long because of religious zealots, we will take down their army quickly and assimilate them into south Korean culture, it will be much easier.

>>135759664
newfag
https://youtu.be/Cp6COxHpJsE

>>135759664
We just want happenings. No matter what they are.

>>135760011
>we

No one here has ever unanimously agreed on one single issue, faggot.

I supported a preemptive nuclear surprise strike on Norks since January. I am disappointed in Trump pussyfooting around.

>>135762796
You don't know what you're talking about. North Korea is a modern day Sparta. They have the 4th largest standing army and the largest reserves forces in the world, nearly every adult male is a trained disciplined fighting machine. They have massive artillery, armaments, tunnels, bunkers. The entire country is one huge military base. We could beat them, but it wouldn't be easy. It would make Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam look like a cake walk.

>>135761025

>short war

All we have to do is feed them. Are you aware of North Korea's ongoing food situation? The Iraqi army feel within 1 day. Literally 1 day.

Something like 30% of the country is perpetually starved to feed the army. Any disruption in that already fucked situation and we'll be fighting ghouls. Do you honestly think for a second that won't be immediately exploited?

>>135759664
We support Blood for the Blood God and Skulls for the Skull Throne.

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Somebody should send this video to Kim Jong Un
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X5SHB_s23o

>>135763593

>Air drop a million Quarter Pounder with Cheese Value Meals with ice cold Coca Cola onto Pyongyang

>Accept entire population of North Korea as defectors that afternoon

>>135761025

>brainwashed populace who won't surrender.

...versus your brainwashed populace that will.

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>>135757093

>>135763533
>nearly every adult male is a trained disciplined fighting machine.
Chances are that they are about as well trained as the Russians in both world wars

>>135763251
I know they suck balls but vice did an episode from inside best korea. the people there are brainwashed on a religious level

>>135763768

>US Air drops a million Quarter Pounder with Cheese Value Meals with ice cold Coca Cola onto Pyongyang with Chinese flags.

>China has to accept entire population of North Korea as defectors that afternoon

I think that just might be crazy enough to work.

>>135764010

So they are Israelis then?

>>135760536
Except Master Dong isn't unhinged in the least. In fact he's an even better statesman than his father. You have to understand the position NK is in. By design it cannot look competent or intelligent to the outside world. That would defeat the purpose of their existence, which is to be a great nation that stands up for its beliefs and ideals. Ans that only works when you have the people on board. You couldn't name a single western state whose people would line up in the streets ready to forbtheir leader(s). NK's, regardless of the reason and choice, most likely would. And that's only because of the constant threats Kim makes against US, looking like a fearless God who can keep taunting a much larger country and getting away with it. NK can be fixed from the inside in due time. Eventually they'll have a leader who succumbs to sympathy and cooperates with the South. But if retard Trump starts something, who knows what will happen. Letting yourself get triggered by some gook is pathetically weak.

>>135759664
>being a passive aggressive cuck

>>135761025
>and a brainwashed populace who won't surrender.
we blow up civies all the time, this is nothing new to us. however, now there would be no threat of war crimes, but that wouldn't affect us anyway

>>135764457

>Except Master Dong isn't unhinged in the least.

Pokes the worlds most aggressive super power over and over. Not sure if AUS is like the USA, but do you remember that kid that always ran his mouth in school to bigger kids because he had a complex. What happened to that little shit?

>>135760011
>we

nuke china and cut off foreign aid to Norks. Starve em out

>>135757093
>thousands die

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAI-0Bviwsg

>>135764010
Yes but they are also suffering, so if they are given help by South Koreans who are not truly foreign invaders then they will probably turn.

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>>135765064
Forgot pic

'Graham said the only way North Korea stops pushing forward with its intercontinental ballistic missile program is if they believe there is a "credible threat of military force on the table."'

They don't actually want to use military force, they want NK to think they'll use military force. Trump's a 70-year-old draft-dodging pussy. He won't do shit unless it involves bombing Syrian civilians.

>>135759888
>we're libertarians
Were libertarians

>>135763661
The crying made me cringe so hard

>>135759664
Lurk moar newfag.
/pol/ likes chaos.
THAT'S IT

>>135763533
Sparta wasn't hooked on meth and opium. They are "trained" like nigger dogs, they are not warriors at all.

A volley of 10-15 nukes on their front lines and infrastructure would shatter the populace and splinter the army.

The only reason they still exist is because they are holding a "free" society hostage with South Korea.

>>135761025
Japs and The south will do most of our fighting the war will be one in the air anyways.

>>135759664
I'm a nihilist so I don't believe in anything

haha you lose again

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>>135765466
>Syrian civilians
Syria no longer eissts you fool. the UN claimed it as their own nation, stealing all of its people through welfare. It was a complete takeover only missing a popular news angle of "liberation" because Assad is backed by Russia. Syria will never exist again, it is just an empty husk to be divied up amongst the allied nations. This is why they are all "taking" in refugees. This is a 50 plus year move.

The damage has already been done and Trump cannot reverse it. At least be aware of wat is going on in the world.

>>135761025
Afghanistan and Iraq were attempts at occupation to extort natural resources from puppet governments. If NK and USA go at it, Trump almost certainly won't order an long-term occupation. After all, what resources does NK have? The only reason anyone cares about them is because they're beginning to become a threat due to nukes. Once America has disabled the nukes and butchered the army from the air, NK can be left alone again, Dear Leader or no Dear Leader.

>>135766785
SK has a fund to integrate NK. There is no need for US to shell out $s

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>>135757093
it's severely depressing how eagerly the vast majority of people eat up the Jewish propaganda about North Korea without thought

>>135759580
Literally the only reason NK is a problem is because they're beginning to acquire nuclear technology. Who cares about what happens once that threat is eliminated?

>>135759664
Unlike Afghanistan, Iraq, or the almost Syria, this war would actually be justified.

>>135761642
Its not so much america, we have to be worried about so much as how badly south korea and possibly japan could get hit.

japan is less likely but they have less warning time to react to NK missiles.

south korea is in range of a ridiculous amount of heavy artillery that NK has been stockpiling for years.

it'd be a fucking mess for american allies which would make america look weak.

>>135760884
If you saw an autistic child whirling around with a crowbar, wouldn't you take the crowbar off them?

>>135766933
A nuclear strike on NK vastly increases the chances of wider conflict. The west is in a funk and needs a shakeup. a billion could die of famine in this conflict. Its needed.

>>135761025
They can't even feed themselves without massive aid. It will be short.

>>135759459
That's a damn big if. China has an agreement to defend NK, especially in case of preemptive strike against NK. Russia also has a vested interest in keeping NK around as a buffer state.

>>135761076
As long as only the Chinese and North Koreans suffer because of it. Japan is great and even Hitler recognized their sense of honour and respect.

>>135767179
this is completely delusional. there will not be any kind of open "conflict" by any group of countries against USA at any point within this century. the US military is simply far too powerful. we will have to wait until USA collapses under the weight of spics and niggers, which probably won't happen in our lifetimes.

>>135767076
>be south korea
>build seoul basically in range of conventional artillery from fucking world war 2

if they get fucked up it's their own fault

i'm sorry south korean bros but please realize we are sacrificing seoul. thousands of our brothers already died fighting for your land, you never went and finished the job yourself

if you care about your family, move them out of seoul, we will sacrifice the city.

>>135761405
>level every military target that can be detected with American technology.
>free every political prisoner
>go home
That would probably take about a week and would cripple NK for years to come.

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>>135757093
We should strike first I agree

>>135767584
Yeah I never understood why they never made more of an effort to build elsewhere

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>>135766933
Not everything is some kind of conspiracy. There's no need for propaganda to push how much HK is insane. They do it themselves, everyday. Some times a spade is just a spade.

>>135763533
You can field as large an army as you want if their gear is shit tier they wont last long. This will be a air war if anything. The Norks air-force is a joke same thing with their navy. There army is their only saving grace but the question has to be how many will show up to fight come game day. Casue i guarantee you the first thing the US is gonna do is drop a bomb on Kimmy's shitter.

>>135762219
>the balls to attack
kek. North Korea isn't the big one year. If the geopolitical landscape was a schoolyard, NK would be the skinny edgelord autist ranting about his "retribution" though too puss to actually do anything. If North Korea even touch an American warship, aircraft, or anything else, they'll get btfo in no time.

>>135767584
>>135767757
Seoul has some of the best Counter batteries in the world. One round comes in there wont be any more. Seoul would get shelled but i doubt it would do much.

>>135767761
North Korea is /pol/s ideal society, dullard.

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>>135757093
Don't give them a shekel. https://archive.is/pitHO

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>>135763533
>North Korea is a modern day Sparta.

>>135757093
he atac

but he also protec

>>135764770
Did you read anything after that sentence? he clearly explains why Kim acts the way he and his predecessors act

>>135757093

a w o o

>>135767925
>Seoul would get shelled but i doubt it would do much.

Bruh the main reason we can't just wipe north korea is they can push a button and kill 300k people in seoul

>>135768029
>/pol/'s ideal society
Yeah, our favorite society would be one where millions of people starve under an antiquated communist government which is the laughing stock of the world.

In a way, NK has essentially solved the problem of the Behavioral sink.

What will happen to the north Korean midget village? Will it be attacked? Is it a threat? Will the midgets be the only ones saved during the war?

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>OPLAN 5037-2017

Depletes our munitions to fuck all in the first 24 hours with counter battery attacks to prevent the complete loss of Seoul.

Black Eagles (RoK) takes brunt of losses in strike roles.

VX casualties in RoK expected to be in hundreds of thousands.

SSGNs take out fuel reserves, crumble underground air base openings.

Finland rises as new superpower.

>>135757093
People wrongly think there are only two outcomes:
-War
-NK gives up program/weapons

But there is a third, more likely outcome:
"The North Korean Nuclear deal"

Sound familiar? It should.
Did Iran give up its program or weapons tech? FUCK NO.
It was all promises and smiling good time rock n roll BS...

NK will be same. Everyone walks away intact claiming a win, NK knocks off the monkey business in public and takes program underground.

>>135760884
Does the U.S. or any other nuclear power talk constantly about blowing someone else up?

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>>135768029
>North Korea is /pol/s ideal society, dullard.

No. The third way is what /poll/ considers ideal. Not a commie shit tip where everyone starves but the fat kid on top and his friends.

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>>135764457
Nah if he was smart he would just keep testing shitty missiles over and over and not on a almost weekly basis. They are getting breakthroughs which previously where supposed to take 20 years. Kim is taking very aggressive steps.

>>135768679
>>135768831
Thank you for proving my point. You're repeating what is said on Jewish media without any independent thought.

The basis of Juche is race-based nationalism, which is the direct opposite of communism. Starvation is not the fault of the government; North Korea is rocky and mountainous and the soil is not ideal for agriculture.

>>135759459

HI GUYS LOL WHAT GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

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>>135766457
>a volley of 10-15 nukes on their frontlines
>10-15 nukes

PRESS F FOR TACTICAL NUKES ON COMMIEFORNIA.

F

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>>135768923
>Spotted the commie faggot.

>>135769163
not an argument, idiot.

If we don't use Nukes again we will lose the image as the madmen actually not afraid to use them. NUKE THE NORKS!

>>135767299
China is in a strange position. If Trump times it correctly, they won't get involved

>>135767854
Its like Eric Harris but with nukes. Nothing to worry about.

>>135761025
They're not brainwashed. Just give them food and they will welcome you with open arms.

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>>135759664
I support divine justice against LGD/Samsung Display

>>135761405
Didn't we test tunnel-caving capabilities with the MOAB? This is going to be Shock and Awe times 10

>China and Russia won't let US invade because muh buffer
Not unless Trump got them all agree to split NK up into sectors like Germany after World War 2, and everyone gets a slice.

>>135768923

>which is the direct opposite of communism.
Communism isn't automatically about multiculturalism. True that in the west they go hand in hand, but that doesn't mean one retarded ideology cannot exist without the other.

>Starvation is not the fault of the government; North Korea is rocky and mountainous and the soil is not ideal for agriculture.
It's the fault of the government for being so ideologically retarded that they want to fight the world. Just because a nation is ethnically homogeneous doesn't' mean they can't trade and exchange with the rest of the world. Case and point: Japan.

Finally, it's a con to believe that every ethnically homogeneous state is automatically an ideal one. To be an ideal society you do need to have your identity drawn around ethnic lines, that I agree with, but that isn't the be all and end all of an ideal state.

>>135769635
It's like Eric Harris except with an airsoft gun whilst everyone else in the school has AK47s.

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>>135769647
I don't know about that. Anyone but the top elite have no access to the outside world and so no ability to view anything different than what they get told on a daily basis since popping out of a vagina. That there's a monster that wants to kill them horribly called America. You remember all those Japanese villagers that threw themselves off cliffs holding their kids because they had been told over and over the big bad Americans were going to rape, torture and eat them.

>>135770133
Yeah a nuclear airsoft softgun.

>>135770514
Firstly we're not even certain that they have nukes.

Secondly, if they do have nukes, they will be very primitive types, nothing like the nuclear capabilities of Russia, America or China. They wouldn't "destroy" the United States, the same way Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't destroy Japan.

Thirdly, even if they did fire one or all of these primitive nukes at America, they would almost certainly be shot down before they reached the mainland.

Finally there is the extremely unlikely scenario that a single Korean nuke could hit the US mainland. Even in this worst-case scenario the damage to the United States wouldn't make a dent in the population, wouldn't irradiate vast swathes of land, and wouldn't diminish America's status as a world power.

>>135757093
fuck a war, totally incorrect tool for this job. psyop and mind-rape the norks instead. would be the best way. air drop bundles and bundles of delicious/greasy america food. mcdonalds in hotboxes and KFC and pizzas and fidget spinners and amazing 4-ply toilet paper and crocs and shit. kill them with kindness

>>135771294
Except they do have nukes and have tested five of them. They don't need high yields for a salted device to cause enormous damage.

Neither has any ABM ever shotdown a MaRV.

>>135771672
Be sure to stamp MADE IN THE USA on everything.
Multiple times.

>>135770145
Thank god for thumb drive smugglers.

>>135769055
What?

>>135771672

So much this.

>>135772919
Thank God for microSD. So much information can be smuggled in on such a small platform.
128gb MicroSDs are available under $100.

>>135761025
This will be a short war. Very short war. North Korea has no oil reserves and no food. They'll be out of oil within the first week and out of food by the second week. This will cause them to collapse from the inside.

>>135773511
They can still nuke you.

>>135761983
They have no oil. They don't produce oil. How are they going to manuever anything when they'll be out of oil within a week of fighting?

>>135773652
The fear isn't the United States getting the thumbnuke in the butthole unless the Pacific Ocean shrinks by a few thousand miles. The fear is that American allies like Japan or South Korea get nuked.

>>135773511
How many warheads do they have? How many Hwasong-14s do they have prepared ? How many can they get into the air before the strike eliminates their capabilities?
Chances are, those numbers are greater than zero. I don't think we want ICBMs downrange pointed at US cities.

>>135760536

Bluster and bravado. The NK military would fall in a week. We can shoot down their Gen 1 ballistic missiles and medium and short range missiles. If any get through, they would not be missiles aimed at the U.S.

The issue is that NK has thousands of artillery pieces pre sighted at Seoul and other civilian and military targets along the DMZ. Thousands or 10's of thousands of shells would destroy Seoul and kill many civilians. U.S. troops would inevitably be killed by artillery and conventional ground fighting. NK would not turtle. They will send thousands of their troops across the border. Ak47's do just as much damage today as they did 80 years ago. They will inflict casualties on the ground.

The U.S. does not have the stomach for that kind of war. We can't just fly over NK and bomb them into submission like we do with the Middle East. There will be serious ground engagements.

>>135773511
would be good to do a series of fake mobilizations along the border. keep them constantly moving their troop dispositions for weeks and weeks and they burn up all their fuel and food rations without ever making contact with your own troops. no deaths, just extreme hunger and undersupply from chasing your own tail. you could even dump heaps of food supplies at completely different spots so they use up all their fuel transporting it and chasing after it. if trumps team did something like this or just some kind of new way of thinking going into this id be extremely impressed.

>>135761405

>tunnels

moab my dude

>>135774062
BUILD A WALL

>>135774062
We can't shoot down their ICBMs post-boost phase. The technology just isn't there.
If we strike, there is a legitimate possibility that one or several US cities will be hit. NORAD could give enough early warning that human fatalities would be somewhat mitigated, but west-coast cities could easily be destroyed.

>>135761983

Best Korea's radar based AA systems would be taken out within the first hour by stealth strikes. After that the Norks would be firing blind. Then the barrage would begin.

>>135757093
pretty much standard neo-con boilerplate

north korea isn't doing anything to us. the country we should be attacking is Israel, but barring that China.

>>135774650
damn. i just read that an ICBM can travel up to 7km/second. for some reason id always assumed that a jet would be able to intercept an icbm. welp guess thats a false sense of security.

>>135774650
Should be said that the recent Hwasong-14 test had an apogee of 1000km - far from efficient. Given an efficient trajectory, warheads could reach the Eastern seaboard.

>>135774897
we don't need to attack china, just stop making and buying shit from there.

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Nuclear cannons were a thing in the 1950s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M65_atomic_cannon

It's possible NK already has them. Anyone can see why they'd want to get them, Seoul is 50km from NK's border. They could dig these in or hide them among the hundreds of other artillery

So just one of these could seriously fuck up an invading army (or Seoul) if it got off a shot that landed on target.

>inb4 trump says nothing and just unleashes as many nukes on the norks as possible, aiming at cities, work camps, misand military bases
>inb4 california smells like grilled gook for centuries

>>135774937
Nice fear Mongering you got there. Have you seen the video of the Missile not even reaching Japan? They're bullshitting. And if you really think America of all places doesn't have a super secret card up their sleeve like the Nukes that will catch everyone off guard, you're wrong.

>>135773844
One can dream.

>>135772524
>Except they do have nukes and have tested five of them.
Allegedly.

>They don't need high yields for a salted device to cause enormous damage.
Depends what exactly you mean by "enormous damage". Was Hiroshima enormous damage?

>Neither has any ABM ever shot down a MaRV.
There's also never been a nuclear war before.

>>135764775
>Nuke China
Seeya bye civilization

>>135775259
Good one.

>>135759664
Newfag detected.
A Jew is you.
Delete yourself.

>>135775107
Their range was more like 30km, though if they have many they could make a nuclear war of flame on the border but that would benefit SK, since its the north who would likely zerg rush

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>>135764770
>What happened to that little shit?

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>>135774903
The fact of the matter is that North Korea has far more power than we'd like to admit right now. The time to rock their shit was years ago. The South Korean and Japanese casualties would have been acceptable to prevent this eventuality.
>>135775259
Yeah, I saw it landed in the Sea of Japan. But listen to what I said.
The missile was sent 1000km up. Most ICBMs apogees are around a third of that.
Every m/s of velocity upwards to hurl the missile 1000km up could have been used to chuck it farther in our direction.
It landed in the Sea of Japan on purpose. DPRK wanted to send a message without getting itself in deep shit (Firing an ICBM over the heads of Japan, setting off some real alarms.)
Models are currently showing it being able to reach DC.

No. The US does not have a trump card able to shoot down a warhead traveling at 4.5 kilometers/second. There is no techy "hacking" solution, the trucks these missiles are carried on and fired from are ancient technology that is mature to the point where there is no infiltration. We have a small chance of intercepting the missile in the first few minutes of flight, given we are in the area with the correct hardware, but once it's post-boost, we're fucked. It's that simple.
I wish we had a solution to this problem.

>>135775437
>Allegedly.
That too

>Depends what exactly you mean by "enormous damage". Was Hiroshima enormous damage?
Hiroshima wasn't salted.
>There's also never been a nuclear war before.
WW2 went nuclear.

>>135759664
I have always supported nuking north korea

>>135774062
they would fire all their shit off, assuming it works still.. and then once someone gave the order to cross the borer they would chicken out and run

>>135776209
This, if there ever was a country begging for a nuking its NK.

>>135774062
>send thousands of their troops across the border.

troops? you mean their 4 foot 11 man-children?

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>>135776130

>>135763533
Iraq had like the 4th largest military in the world during Desert Storm and vastly more equipment in reserve (and oil) and they never were the same after the US-led hate-fuck.

>>135771294
We do have nukes based on the activity of their test sites, their own admission, and seismic activity that would correspond to nuclear testing. What we DON'T know for certain is the yield of these weapons, and their reliability (ie., a fissile is still better than the damn thing just not going off in terms of reliability, electrical symmetric detonation isn't very easy to rig up).

If they DO nuke the US, no, if they even shoot a missile that MIGHT be nuclear at the US it is largely irrelevant if it hits or not. We raged so hard during WW2 after Pearl Harbor that we shaped the world for 70 years, and we sperged so hard after 9/11 that we broke the Middle East like a toothpick. Those will pale in comparison to what will happen if the DRPK manages to successfully nuke an american city, or even attempts to.

We would essentially have carte blanche to do whatever we want to their peninsula if they did, I doubt even China would get in the way in that type of situation because they don't want to be anywhere near the shitstorm that would become Korea. At most I would expect a negotiated DMZ or neutral zone along the Chinese-DPRK border to handle the refugee crisis.

>>135776792
Pff, go to bed, kiddo. You're pulling a bunch of bullshit.

It only takes a couple hours to drive from the DMZ to Seoul so technically the NKs could make a suicidal push for the capital and just park a truck with a nuke on it inside the city and hold it hostage.

There are plenty of ways this can go wrong. I hope the South Koreans have been smart enough to build bomb-shelters throughout Seoul because there's no way to evacuate a city that big in the small amount of time it would take for a conventional force to reach it should they - heaven forbid - push through the SK and US forces.

>>135777243
>I have no response and can't handle the truth so I resort to hollow condescension
Sorry. I thought /pol/ was in search of the truth ("redpill") instead of self-delusion.
DYODD. The information is all there, readily-available.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/hwasong-14/
A 10000km missile puts the eastern seaboard within range.

>>135776031
this was in australia. little faggot did this stupid tv interview with our worst current affairs show (today tonight - total shitfest) and was basically the most retarded little bogan freak ive ever seen. he had to be prompted to answer by his disgusting father and made a complete fool of himself

>>135776792
>>135776130
That's why Kim's getting nuked.
At this point in our empire we either have to reign by fear or we are going to get our shit pushed in and become Brazil 1.5. If Trump dumps a ridiculous amount of nukes on NK watch how fast Russia and China step in line.

Russia created the NK problem in the first place, because Russians have always been scum. Even Russians know this and most would agree with me. We can be friends with Russia after we establish our dominance. Russia will never be head of the New World Order, and China would be like the Borg... Even worse than America and Russia.

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>>135771294
you fags are all retarded with the whole 'if nukes reach', that's not how modern warfare works, there is technology to intercept missles, the real problem now are nuclear devices smuggled into the country that can be detonated at any time, there is a real chance of a nuke going of any second in dc taking out trump and other officials, everyone on that level knows it, kim is not stupid and he is not going to abandon his life as a god to fullfil his retarded forfather's power fantasies, chances are he even shitposts here

>>135777708
>It has been reported that the U.S. government has assessed that the missile’s range to be between 7,000-9,500 km.

>Hwasong-14’s performance during its July 28 test, however, well exceeded that, flying for around 45 minutes, to a range of 1,000 km to an altitude of 3,700 km. Based on this performance, the Hwasong-14 could have a range of over 10,000 km if flown on a range-maximizing ballistic trajectory. This is far enough to reach the majority of the continental United States. If factoring in the rotation of the Earth, which provides a range boost when travelling eastward, the Hwasong-14’s coverage area would include the West Coast, Chicago, and possibly even New York.

>>135777558
The DMZ is the most fortified border on Earth. Both sides are covered in mine fields, fences, and trenches. It would be extremely hard for the DPRK to launch an offensive of that size and NOT be seen.

The issue would be special forces that use tunnels to strike at rear-echelon forces, support forces like airfields, logistics, and command/control hubs. However, a nuclear attack that destroys all of Seoul would be... difficult, if not impossible for them. A chemical attack would be more likely, but it would likely be telegraphed due to the need to mix binary components (it isn't like we can't see what they are doing). The DPRK is like a school shooter; they can cause a lot of death during the surprise faze, but when the professionals show up its game over, just a matter of time.

ROK forces aren't a joke either, it isn't like they haven't prepared for the possibility of an attack. Once the fight starts, they basically just have to hold the DPRK overnight so that the US air force and naval aviation branch can target SAM sites/secure the air so the bomber-fleet can begin a non-stop campaign a la LINEBACKER.

>>135760504
Sorry you are a necessary sacrifice
We will not forget you

>>135777931
well ive just learned that there isnt really technology to stop them. star wars program was a meme, there is no missile shield. they just took all the money and never spoke of it again. or they had to make some shit up for propaganda/coverup real missing $$$ in the budget or something. there is no missile shield

>>135777931
Shocking how in-denial and uneducated you guys are.

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>>135759664
>worship ancient god of chaos
>U SUPPORT WAR? LOL GOTCHA LMAO!!!
reallys gets my noggin joggin

>>135777926
Thing is nobody wants a bunch of american retards to be in charge of anything

>>135760238
they won't but i'm pretty sure trump would tell china that if they do anything, they're next

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>>135763533
>North Korea is a modern day Sparta.
underrated

>>135764010
publicly, because if they aren't their families will be put into forced labor camps/never be seen again

political dissidents in NK legitimately get what the kikes accuse the nazis of having done to them

>>135759664
we support happenings

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>>135775072
>legit thinking america has something to gain by attacking its biggest trading partner

>>135769774
They will make a shit display if you ask for it. They'll make a good one when paid enough.

>>135771672
>trump drops the first bombs on north korea
>they're full of candy
>all the norks eat all the candy
>it's fucking poisoned
>trump pulls off his face
>it's arya stark
so stronk

>>135768789
Yes?

>>135780058
this, think of the 1080p go-pro footage we'd get out of a conventional war. Syrian footage is okay, but imagine all 10 million or so Samsung S phones floating around down there in Seoul alone all taking videos and pics, along with the camera footage from tanks and helicopters and planes.. Hi-res Highway of Death when?

>>135769957
Who would want a slice of this shit?
Well, maybe China, they always need more space, especially not polluted.

Maybe it would be for the best if they just conquer North Korea?

>>135759580
A war with NK will be long and it will be bloody.

>>135778495
This.
A few nukes could be stopped, but not tens or hundreds of them.
Just like you said, the whole star wars program was a meme, a big bluff made by America, everyone knows this by now.

>>135757093
There's too many asians anyway, us whites need to even the score.
Let 20 million gooks die in this war and only intervene with bombs, it's a win win no matter what.

>>135757093
Sweats profusely

>>135757093
Nothing is going to happen or will ever happen.

>>135763916
the russians decimated your country in both wars, especially in WW2

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>>135762912
>Implying we wouldn't just MOAB the tunnels.

>>135781751
Only 15 were ever built.

>>135757093
So ww3
America, Japan, sk plus minor countries
Vs
Russia, china, nk plus minor countries
?
If so USA will get blown the fuck out. Will Canada help us? They're at risk of being nuked by accident by nk

>>135763533
KEK, when they are starved out in 3 months, we will see.

>>135782270
China won't throw in with the DRPK this time. No reason to, we can just give them a buffer zone and they'd be content.

Also, if we invoke Article 5 (attack on US), then we can pull in NATO (including UK and france), which are not "minor countries".

>>135759174
That's a really terrible analogy. If I were to compare a Korean War with anything, I'd probably compare it to the Korean War.

>>135768244
YOU WANT EARTH AND WATER? YOU FINDA PRENTY DOWN THERE WHITE MAN! DIS IS KOREA!

>>135759664
All Commies must die. This is not hard to understand.
Trump knows this. He will order a nuclear bombing run on North Korea very soon.

>>135757093
Nothing will happen because there is no oil in Korea.
And it is not in Israel's interest. Israel doesn't give a about Korea

>>135774537
>>135769781
How will you get the moab there with any form of anti-aircraft weapons? It's too big to go on a conventional bomber.

>>135763593
The Iraqi army was defeated in 28 days. You must be twelve

>>135757093
it'll probably be around the length of the splendid little war unless nukes get involved

>>135759664
war makes men
peace makes weak men

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>>135783059
As if. china won't let American soldier march to the NK-China border. They'd most likely help NK with a volunteers, like they did in the Korean War.
Bongistan and Frenchistan already has enough problems, they wouldn't benefit from a serious war like this.

>>135781693
The Soviet Union sustained something along the lines of 26 million casualties while doing it. North Korea doesn't have the benefit of having allies attacking on two to three fronts at a time and drawing away resources from their enemies. North Korea is not privileged to receive lend-lease equipment. North Korea is just an isolated and impoverished nation with a malnourished populace.

>>135763533
>hyping up a whole bunch of malnourished manlets with no combat experience
Yeah nah we'd whoop their ass

>>135757093
trump will do shit as usual. go to bed

>>135762740
The end goal of a war over there would be to prevent nuclear war. If nuclear war were to occur it would affect everyone else on the planet.

>>135769055
MacArthur wanted 50. This guy is being pretty lenient.

>>135781693
only by sheer numbers, which NK doesn't have.

>>135777066
I just want to stop reading about it on fucking pol and get to the goddammed fighting. It's like a bad blow job that somewhat teases you but is still kind of boring .

>>135778248
The South Koreans beat the North on every single metric. The only thing the North has on them is more men currently under arms... but the guys that the South have active at this moment are superior, without a doubt. When reserves start to get called up, that advantage is eliminated. South Korea has nearly double the population of the North. Better technology. Superior and numerous combat aircraft, armored vehicles, naval vessels, etc.

North Korea can cause damage, but tell South could take them single-handedly. The USA and the UN international force members that are still technically at war with North Korea, like the anglosphere nations, are just the icing on the cake. North Korea doesn't stand a fucking chance and that is before America gets involved.

>>135784328
China won't escalate the conflict. No point. They will negotiate for a buffer zone some 20-40 km deep to keep the starving refugees out of China proper, they may get us to sign an agreement to minimize force deployments long-term, but they have more flesh in the US economy game than they do the DPRK. The DPRK is a dog that once was useful for keeping out the American influence, but now it's starting to become feral and rabid, and they hate the DRPK now more than we do (since they will have to deal with any figurative [or potentially literal] fallout).

>>135780585
Why would America attack Canada, retard?

>>135783059
I doubt China will stand by while we beat on their retarded brother and their freakishly large big brother. If those two get whipped then all eyes will on China and their human rights violations and other bs. They don't want to be bullied around so they might join out of trying to not get fucked in the future

>>135786547
Only reason china supports NK is that they don't want to deal with the huge refugee crisis if NK fails.

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>>135759664
>now

>>135782270
Of course we have your back, you moron. We ride or die niggaz, bad boyz 4lyfe niggaz. Seriously though. If anyone comes after you, it's our ass in the line too. Collective defense is the only thing that would get us through this.

>>135782270
not to be jingoistic, but i do not believe for a second that russia stands a fucking chance against us in a conventional war and, if they go nuclear, they'll still lose but so will we.

china has size but lacks sophistication. they're a threat because of their AA/AD military focus (sending SSM to the norks leaves me with great concerns) but i don't believe they would side with north korea at the end of the day.

trump is not obama, and as much as we need china, china needs us. the US OR china going down the tubes would be bad news bears for the global economy (sinking either one of us).

china is on the cusp of respectability, and throwing in with the norks in a justifiable war is not something i think they're willing to do; however, once the norks are gone, china has no wildcard ally (or really any ally) in the region, leaving them very exposed to american aggression if we ever find a way to wrest ourselves from economic entanglements with them

>>135786309
Exactly, thank you based Canadabro. It'll be Iraq 3.0 with a much longer hunt for WMDs, and that's where I think the real problems will be. It's going to suck having to track all the illegal money and arms flowing from there when every fisher with a boat could be trying to smuggle something. At least they are fairly isolated geographically on the Eastern half, less so in the western half of the peninsula.

>>135786194
This is very spot on. But I seriously doubt there is much further we can kick the can; either we need to piss or get off the pot. And Korea is a convenient dress-rehearsal to make sure our army back in shape for a conventional WMD-laden East Asian theater.

>>135783059
NATO only applies to the North Atlantic... but you most likely would receive support from those allies because of longstanding relationships.

>>135759664
nu-pol faggots support war.
Don't put me in the same category as those brain dead chimps

>>135786547
China already is spied on for human rights violations, and many people in China use things like Tor or VPNs (or try to) to get around the Great Firewall.

China doesn't give a fuck about human rights abuses, because it's the number 2 power in the world. No one did anything of serious consequence about Tienanmen Square, no one is going to do anything now that they are the #2 power.

They don't want the refugees, they don't want us on the Korean Peninsula. Our presence is somewhat a foregone conclusion, and as long as the DPRK keeps getting more threatening it increases the likelihood the US deploys something like anti-missile batteries, which ARE viewed as destabilizing to the current balance of power China has with US. A DPRK-free Korean Peninsula, with a Chinese buffer, reduces the need for US forces, gets rid of an unstable neighbor who has actually threatened them (and has nukes), and eliminates an excuse America keeps pushing for missile defense shields in Asia.

tl;dr- China STILL wins with a DPRK replacement buffer state, and gets to reduce its own anxiety.

>>135759664
I have always supported nuking Mecca.

>>135786972
Actually, while NATO membership is very exclusive, Article 5 doesn't specify the theater has to be in the Atlantic.

IF DPRK attacked the US homeland or even say, Hawaii or Guam, and we invoked Article 5 (stating that an attack on one is an attack on all), then by all rights NATO nations are obligated to help however they can, regardless of WHERE or HOW the attack commences.

In all likelihood we wouldn't actually invoke Article 5, since there really isn't a point to do so if most nations are willing to sign-off on some UN statement or pitch in otherwise (Coalition of the Willing)

>>135759459
You're dumb if you think this is going to be a short war. People said the same exact thing about Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention, Iraq and Afghanistan didn't have nuclear arms or the backing of major world powers (like China). Not only will it be a long drawn out war in a mountainous region against a professional army and guerilla forces but it could be the kick off to WWIII.

>>135783445
Curious about this myself. Is there any way to get it there without being shot out of the sky?

>>135784543
Yeah, out of which 14 million were civilians and 3 million slaughtered POWs.
IRL combat deaths were 1.3 to 1 in Axis favor. Substantial but hardly anything spectacular.

>>135783463
Iraqi army were:
1) Arabs
2) fighting in a desert
3) trying to fight a conventional war
4) while Americans had air supremacy
It was literally turkey shooting.
I'm not even saying NK would he impossible to conquer or anything like that, but you are using idiotic examples to prove a point.
Iraq Wars were perhaps logistically interesting, but in terms of combat they don't mean shit. In fact my humble opinion is that they drew bad conclusions from Gulf Wars.

>>135790423
It's not like the Americans won't have air superiority in DPRK, if anything the air aspect will be even MORE lopsided due to drones and things like the F-22, F-35B/C (depending on when the fight is) and mature B-2 bombers. Our surveillance and imaging systems are much better than they were in the Persian gulf war.

I doubt it will be 28 days, but the Nork army is much more logistically fucked in terms of fuel and some high-end equipment (plane parts, bombs, etc.) than Iraq was. I doubt they even have as many guns as Saddam's Iraq did.

>>135791245
nevermind guns they don't even have enough fuel, food or water to run their military in "peacetime" let alone engage in active hostilities against the US

>>135774894


WESA PEOPLE GONNA DIE?!

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>>135757093

Just nuke them. Or else deal with annoying outdated super military

>>135774894
It's Desert Storm except MORE stealth this time.

>Opening hour DPRK launches assault
>ROK holds as much as it can and counter attacks (probably largely a success after regrouping)
>USAF kicks into high gear
>Stealth bombers attack command/control
>HARM missiles everywhere to eliminate SAM sites

Once the communications and SAMs are neutralized, then the real campaign begins. We don't have too many B2s, but we DO have a bunch of B1s and B52s that can be loaded to bare and flown around the planet, as well as a bunch of F-15Es, F-18s, drones, and more.

Once the air is owned by the US, it's going to get really nasty for the DPRK. It'll be expensive, but we'll keep going until we run out of bombs (we are already a bit low from bombing ISIS too much).

>>135757872
>>135757093

North Korea is either going to back down and do some kind of regime change with china, (unlikely at this point), or get bombed to shit in some new faster then ever lightning war.

Was talking to my art school socialist brother the other day and even the left thinks this only ends the one way.

>>135759459

The war will be over in a day or two. The clean up and rebuilding of not just the physical structure but the social structure will take a decade at least.

1. Pretend there's been a natural disaster in Japan.

2. Mobilize openly under this disguise.

3. Evacuate Big cities in SK especially near the border.

4. Carpet bomb/launch all missiles in a gigantic first strike targeting NKs artillery and missile facilities or trucks, and most importantly, the NK leadership.

5. Cleanup artillery, missiles that survive, and tend to SK or Japanese casualties.

>>135768734

hehe mm

>>135779169
but you're a dirty slav nigger? Your opinion doesn't count

>>135786519
no dumb leaf USA exports most to Canada and imports most from China. Two largest trading partners. STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>135774650
>If we strike, there is a legitimate possibility that one or several US cities will be hit.
What you're describing is what the situation will be if this calculus is being made ~1 year from now.

As of now, they don't have nukes that can be loaded onto ICBMs in a form that will survive re-entry. That's what they're working on now, and it's a problem they will likely solve within the next year or so.

As of now, they're not capable of taking out any U.S. cities (even with luck on their side).

guys THIS TIME its real trust me!

no its not fuck off, as long as nk doesnt bomb anyone im not convinced

>>135771672
Drop porn and food.

>>135775107
The US still has nuclear artillery.

t. Field Artillery Officer

>>135757093
>Trump before being elected: America first, no more oversea wars!
>Trump after being elected: America later, more oversea wars!

>>135757093
son of a bitch leaker
he should be hung for high treason

>>135792126
And if they nuke you?

>>135759580
I don't think there would be any insurgency, because they'd be fighting fellow Koreans, not whitu piggu

if they can broadcast propaganda loud enough they may even get the entire military to defect to the south without firing a single shot

>>135796646
Didn't jews use nuclear artillery some time ago? I remember watching some video of baby nuclear explosion some time ago in sand people land.

>>135757093
NK will serve as cover for the DNC takedown, it's almost inevitable that it will happen.

>>135796845
Vlad, what you're saying is the equivalent of holding of a Tax Payment; you can't do it, it's inevitable, and you need to deal with it. That's what NK is to us right now. Also, are you excited for Metro: Exodus?

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>mfw we roll out Bluebeam and project a giant talking first Dear Leader in the sky over NK telling them America comes in peace and are now their friends

>>135797856
>That's what NK is to us right now.
NK wasn't much of a problem before, and if you fuckers could just talk without issuing ultimatums, sanctions and rattle weapons, everything would be fine. But your retarded NWO want war by any means.with anybody.I guess white muricans don't extinct fast enough to them.

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When did the US last win a war?

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>>135761025
Saddam had the 4th largest military in the world with modern Russian and Chinese AA, weapon systems, tanks, and planes all bought with oil money and we fucking steamrolled the iraqis in about 2 weeks with effectively zero US losses. The resultant police action against nonstate Islamic terrorists was a slow grind against an enemy the US military wasn't trained to fight(short of just exterminating them, IE everyone) and constrained from dealing with them or the population punitively due to SOP.

North Korean equipment is from the fucking 40's-60's, they have no 4th gen aircraft, no Navy to speak of, and most of their airforce is fucking high wing prop planes. The literal only reason they exist is that after the Japanese carrier battle group spends 15 minutes tomahawking every military installation and factory in best Korea the waves of subhuman nork refugees flooding across the DMZ and Chinese border would be catastrophic and reunification of South Korea and that commie shithole would cripple the south Korean economy for decades.

We literally have to fucking nuke the whole problem off the map. Kimmy (or a US sub) launching a cruise missile at seol or Japan is the perfect excuse to solve the problem with nuclear Holocaust. And nothing of value will be lost

another slaughter

nobody even cares anymore. That americans have declared war on all free peoples on this planet. Literally. Not even exaggeration. I wish it was.

>>135774650
So we get rid of North Korea and Commiefornia all in one go?

>>135777066
A good point brought up is that if NK does take the plunge China will just invade them themselves before we can.

>Be Trump
>Hate China
>Get elected
>Meet Obama
>Ask him why they always ignored NK
>He tells you China just uses NK to try to provoke a war because they're confident they won't lose due to their massive population and shit
In my mind this is how it is, trump really is the next hitler, in the sense that he will "start" WW3!

>>135798355
Are you delusional?

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>>135757093

Da Bomb yo

Niggaz gon git

Glassed

We're not going to war you retards. A war with NK would be an absolute shitshow. The generals would not allow Trump to do it.

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>>135760504
U wot?

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>>135759888
Lel get the fuck out of here lolberg

>>135782026
Build moar?

>>135782026
MOABs are shit, they weight 10 tonnes and have a 11 tonne TNT yield.

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>>135757093

if you think it won't be a short war you're wrong

>>135761690
Kushner will be next

>>135808604

The united states is not going to institute a draft, let alone commit to total war.

North Korea will do both as "plan A"

America would definitely win but it would be a miserable drawn out conflict.

>>135759664

And yet, you made no mention of why we might.
Because you're a stupid lib.
If this was Hillary you'd be cheering your ass
off for it so don't even pretend otherwise.

>>135757093

Soon as it starts South Korea is going to get the brunt of it off all the artillery facing it in the North.

The incursions in the middle east were a fuck up, this would make them seem like a success. There's a reason no President has used force against the North Koreans since the end of the Korean War because the fall out would be fucking catastrophic.

>>135766785
NK has rare earth elements that are essential to the cell phone industry and that china is otherwise the sole source of. So yeah, plan for occupation.

>>135757093
Americans talk to much, bark a lot

if digit then we fucked

>>135757872
Let the bass cannon kick it
erwerrrrrrrrrrrrr