Alternative Ending to WW2

It would be better

>>135749139
Due to war and heavy casulties, comunism would be as big taboo as nazism.

World would be a better place.

>>135749139
He didn't want it, he just considered it in military theory. We have military plans to invade everything, and precisely how'd we do it. it doesn't mean we plan on doing them.

>>135749139
Why did Churchill dress like a communist?

>>135749139
Europe would be red as fuck.

At least there wouldn't be rapefugee filth and sexual revolution.

>>135749419

Just read some of the things he said, he definitely did want it just like Patton did.

Soviets would "liberate" rest of Europe.
>inb4 armchair strategists and muh America
America is across the ocean. Even without Soviet interference that's a logistical nightmare.
And America is literally the only nation able to fight Soviets.

It would've softened the blow from the Nazis being absolutely massacred at least

>>135749139
The soviets outnumbered the Allies 4:1 and had most of their armies in central Europe. If Operation Unthinkable happened than the Soviets would just push everything they at the west and probably reach the western shores of France in a few months. Also, unlike Japan, nuking major Russian cities would be almost impossible due to the vast distances. Overall, if the plan would move along then today the USSR would be stretching from the Atlantic to the pacific.

>>135749638

It's not "muh america" it's cold reality, US infrastructure was very strong and totally undamaged, the Russians were severely depleted both in terms of man power and industry, the Russians had no way of stopping the US from bringing things across the Atlantic and the Americans could also invade via Japan from the east.

Heavy bombing raids on what remained of Russian industry and potentially a few nuclear bombs here and there that the Russians had no answer to would've destroyed Russia.

>>135749907
I don't think adding more satellites would improve Soviet position, on the contrary. Propping up "friendly" regimes was one of reasons for their downfall.

>>135749983
I said by now, meaning that they would slowly integrate satellites over time. Just imagine the end of WW2 with the soviets being the only power on the continent.

>>135749947
Yeah heavy raids will just magically occur. You don't understand the logistical issue here.
>invade via Japan
And go where? Land where? How many ports are there?
As I said, even with US superiority, distances are huge. There is no way this works out unless a strategic surprise followed by a crippling blow somehow collapses Soviet government. And that's a very very remote possibility.

Also, what remained of Soviet industry was in Siberia. Ever hear about relocation of factories at the start of Barbarossa?

>>135749947
I suggest you read up on the 1945 Manchurian offensive and the fate of the Kwantung army. To get the sense of scale and intensity of assrape and curbstomping you would have been subjected to in 1940s.

>>135750185

Heavy raids that were occurring over Germany can just be shifted east as air bases move east, not an immediate invasion from the far east but it is a possibility. All the Western allies have to do is get to Moscow at worst to defeat Russia.

>>135749139
Soviet scum would have been annhilated in a hail of B29s, nukes and Pershings and the world would be all the better for it.

>>135750636

Good job Moscow is no where near China then.

>>135749139
the brits should have allied with germany to prevent the war in europe.

>>135750636
The Kwantang army was stripped of it's best men, materials and equipment during the attrition battles of Guadal Canal. What remained in 45 was a mass of half-starved, green light infantry. GG, but then again, you faggots love kicking in the door of beaten enemies, just like Poland in 1939.

>>135750739
Here's a really ass kicking
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Port_Arthur
Yes, you read that right. The IJA so dominated the Russians that they were able to sink their battleships with Howitzers. An Army sinking a Navy, you can't make this shit up.

>>135750286

>relocation

More like destroyed so we better build some new factories further away. The same problem the US has of bombing said factories are the same problems the Russians have of getting the arms anywhere near Europe.

>>135751186
>muh Russo-Japanese war
I love how burgers always tend to forget that Japan didn't surrender because they got nuked, but because the USSR declared war on them and stormed the entirety of Manchuria, where the IJA was heavily entrenched, in literally a couple of days.
There's a reason why the US didn't choose to go to war with the USSR right after WW2. They would've lost.

>>135751445

The Japs would not have surrendered if they thought they could hold on to the homeland either, it most certainly wasn't all the Russians at all.

No matter who won the Jews would've won just like the cold War, except there would be earlier totalitarian control via a different form of world government so we probably would've seen degeneracy sooner because the common man wouldn't be faced with the common threat of communism.

>>135752138
Given how, even after the atomic bombs were dropped, they didn't slow down the building of the Kyushu fortifications in prevision for an eventual US invasion, and given that the records obtained after the war all show that the Soviet invasion of Manchuria was indeed their biggest concern, by far, I'm pretty sure it was the Russians indeed.
Besides, if the Soviets hadn't invaded, what would you have done ? You would have been forced to attempt a large-scale naval invasion of Japan, with disastrous losses as a result, since you actually only had one spare atom bomb after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and had a lot of trouble building more. Which means that the Russians could have backstabbed you very successfully and taken over Europe. You should be grateful they didn't.

>>135752546

Worst case scenario the Americans could just blockade Japan and bomb them into submission, if it takes a year it doesn't matter, they starve and burn, the homeland meant more to the Japanese than any of their colonies.

>>135752917
>Worst case scenario the Americans could just blockade Japan and bomb them into submission
So, keep doing what the US had been doing for over a year with no conclusive results, then ? The whole reason why they eventually decided to use the atom bomb (and invade the Home Islands if that failed) was because the "blockade and bomb" tactic failed to deliver any actual progress.

>>135749139

>USSR would've steamrolled the allies in EUrope.
>Communist Europe
>'Merika would probably and successfully colonize and model South America into one western America sphere like the Soviet sattelite states

Russia would've been dominated from the beginning although still would've been more than formidable oppononent, West would've won due to 2 factors - atom bomb and completly different than Germans policy towards civilian Russians, they would be really happy to be liberated by western troops

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>>135749139
>No commie blocks in eastern europe
Best timeline

>>135750642
Again, it seems you don't understand the concept of distance and logistics.
>>135751422
Nope, much equipment was relocated. Equipment is what matters, tools, not fucking buildings they are in.

>>135754511

Again it seems you don't realise that logistics works both ways, it's easier for the allies to bomb Russian factories than it is for the Russians to get the arms to the front since as Russian roads and the likes were still primitive.

>>135754702
How about you look at the fucking map?
Check where UK is, check where Germany is, then check where Urals are.
That bombing, even if they somehow managed to pull it off, would be far far less effective than that of Germany.
Furthermore, infrastructure in W. Europe was fucked up too. Allies had major issues with supplies on Western Front after MASSIVE preparations.

And we are still talking about geography and logistics.
In addition to that, Soviets had huge advantage in materiel and manpower right on the frontline.
And I love how you are ignoring everything else I wrote.

>>135754885

How about you check where the Urals are compared to the Middle East that the allies conveniently control. It's not a big deal to relocate a few bombers.

>>135754993

Manpower? No, the US could muster up more troops in safety than the Russians could, 3% of the generation that were 18 in 1939 survived the war, Russia already suffered staggering losses and if the allies had to bleed them white then so be it.

>>135749139

Russia tries to push for Paris. Stalls out when they reach the bombed out west Germany infrastructure.

Japan surrenders. Immediately claims west Russia and joins the Allies

Russia falls back to Poland. Mass conscription and national looting happens.

Russia gets the nuke, either from the Ethelberg spy ring or the "London 5"

Russia potentially gets off 1 bomb. London is nuked.

USA nukes St Petersburg & Moscow back to the stone age using their next 4 bombs around 1955

USA breaks up Russia into 3 countries. Makes Russia an occupied territory like PNG & Japan.

Afganistan never happens

Iran is never overthrown

Marshall Plan happens, A unified Germany, Poland & Ukraine pull forward a massive GDP boost, 1970's stagflation never happens

Che & Castro never happen. Nazi's take over Latin America.

Without COMITERN the Great Leap forward fails, Mao is killed in the Palace Coup, China implodes into 5+ warlord feifdoms. China becomes the new Middle East

Pakistan never happens because nobody will give them arms

Korean war never happens. Vietnam never happens either, as both were armed by Russian intelligence.

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>>135749407
NS would be less taboo by far. Assuming Patton was alive he would've most likely became president. Patton had not intention of de-nazifying Germany and wanted to re-arm the German POW to attack the USSR. Germany would most likeley still be a NS state today.

And on top of that, Soviets were simply superior in warfare, it might hurt you but it's true.
They gained far more experience fighting in a titanic clash in East facing the best Germans had.
Allies fought, for the most part, reservists and later even kids.
Sorry but chances of Allied victory are incredibly slim. At best you could have some sort of stalemate, but actually beating Soviets out of EE would be impossible without enormous preparation.
And to add on all this, no one fucking wanted it. Allied propaganda spent years praising Stalin and Soviets. You can't just turn that around in a snap.

>>135755227
>hohol
What as surprise

>>135755014
Very far away.
>>135755177
Yes but USA is across the Atlantic. Is this hard for you to grasp?
And I said ON THE FRONTLINE, as in deployed and ready to go.

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Patton would be on his knees while an NKVD officer emptied a Tokarev pistol into his skull.

>>135755304
Notice how he's using "Russia" implying Bolsheviks were some Russian imperialists or something, even though they created his fucking cesspool of a "state".

>>135749469
yeah, because the reds did not raped their way to Berlin

>>135749139

Patton wanted to do it and they murdered him for it. Fuck Churchill

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>>135755591
Patton had the IQ of a mosquito and would have been raped.

>>135755392

Again you ignore the fact that the Russians have no way to stop the US bringing troops across the Atlantic. Do wars only last 3 weeks? It's not a computer game.

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>>135755254


>this whole post

Capitalist/imperialist nations would have been rolled over and the world would have actually achieved utopia.

>>135749139
Eastern Europe would be a materialistic, hedonistic, cucked shithole too.

>>135751445
You a surrender expert?

>>135756842
>lulz frogs surrender memes amirite
See, that's why nobody can ever take you guys seriously.

>>135757061
Because you surrender I can't be taken seriously?

>>135749139
>What would have happened / would the world look like today if America had gone along with Churchill's wishes to march on to Moscow after defeating Germany so as to defeat the USSR that he so hated and despised?

The Soviets would have swept the Allied forces from the continent and the Iron Curtain would have extended all the way to Brest.

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>>135757474
I don't see it. A fresh American army. Air superiority all the way to Poland. And a navy that could blockade Russia's like three ports.

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>>135749139 (OP)
Best alternate ending would have been if Hitler accepted Soviet peace offers.
Here is my best ending for ww2

>Operation Long Jump is fully successe killing Stalin, Churcuck and Roosevelt
>New Soviet regime is destabilised and tensions increases
>Molotov and Hitler make new peace offer and redraw the map on the east.
>Axis powers manage to defend their territories because of tension in the east is over
>Germans successfully managed to retake rebellious southern Italy
>D-day is complete failure
>Heisenberg manages to develop the nukes first and Hitler threatens to bomb London.
>New peace conference ensures and war in Europe is over for a while.
>Americans win pacific front
>WW2 is over and new Cold War begins between Fascism, Communism and Democracy

Why didn't this happen? Because Hitler was a nigger faggot and didn't accept soviet peace offers.

>>135749139
The death camp lie would never have been propogated, as the US would have liberated the Polish work camps instead of the (((communists))). The Holocaust narrative never catches hold, and Israel remains little more than just another independent late-colonial state like South Africa or Rhodesia.

China stays weak under Mao without the USSR to prop him up, and WWIII likely begins in the 60s as China collapses and Kai Shek mounts an attack from French Indochina or Malaysia to take back the south while a resurgent Japan makes a play on the north and Korea from their Russian territories.

Also, obviously, Germany would have stayed as an allied Fascist country under Donitz, like postwar Spain under Franco. Europe otherwise gets really interesting, as there is no iron curtain, no USSR, and no need for NATO to force former adversaries to be allies again, so politically, Europe likely looks as it did from 1880-1910, possibly setting the stage for another war.

>>135759416

When were there any soviet peace offers? Hitler wasn't going to accept Soviet surrender unless it was total surrender and once the tide had turned the Russians would behave in just the same way and rightfully so I might add.

>>135755227
>Che & Castro never happen. Nazi's take over Latin America.

ok, this got me.

>>135760249
>The death camp lie would never have been propogated, as the US would have liberated the Polish work camps instead of the (((communists))).

US had been influenced by jews much more heavily, so if US takes over all the camps then the holocaust narrative would've been way bigger.

>>135760541
Soviets offered peace offers in 1942 and early 1943 before Stalingrad to redraw Brest-Litovsk borders
In 1943 right after soviet victory in Stalingrad peace offer was to return to 1941 borders without baltics countries and moldova.
After Tehran conference it was impossible anymore.
Stalin and Molotov were scared that if both Germans and Soviets exhausted themselves to end, the allies would just easily swept over europe. Stalin also believed that if peace offer would be achieved he would get more time to organize his government and later strike Germany more easily.

Nazi and Soviet diplomats desperately tried to make some sort of peace offer to extent that they went to Sweden to discuss, but it all failed.
Why? Hitler believed in Endsieg to the very fucking grave...

>>135761385

If only Hitler had been a bit more pragmatic...

>>135757705
>I don't see it. A fresh American army. Air superiority all the way to Poland. And a navy that could blockade Russia's like three ports.

1) The Soviets outnumbered the Allies something like 5:1, possessed much heavier equipment (and larger amounts of it), and didn't have to ship everything their army needed across an entire ocean first.

2) The Allies only had air superiority *over the Luftwaffe*, which was basically non-existent by that point, and the Soviets had their own air force that dwarfed the Allies'. The Allied air forces were built primarily for carpet-bombing Germany and mopping up a few Luftwaffe fighters here and there, not going head-to-head in an actual confrontation with another modern air force over the battlefield. To put it another way, the Allied air forces were built to fight the air force that the Soviets had already destroyed. Think about that for a minute.

3) Blocking a couple ports that Russia was already not using anyway would do nothing to stop the Red Army. Would blockading Boston prevent an army from taking Nashville? It makes no sense.

You really should just read a book.

>>135749139
They wouldve lost horribly and Europe would be fully communist

>>135761321
Holocaust bullshit startd from soviets.

>hurr shit guys communism turned out to be an even bigger threat after all!

This I'd like why you should have just let the axis fucking kill them all and then knocked them over. Instead we've got this brain virus around for a while yet.
Churchill was a fucking idiot.

Instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki it would have been Moscow and St Petersburg.

Anglo hegemony forever more.

>>135749139
We needed the cold war to expand our empire. The American NWO is not driven by any limey fuckhead. I'd soner a Jew desu.

>>135749139

Paton, one of our top general at the time, I think wanted to go ahead and attack Russia too, and was quite adamant about it. But nobody listened to him. He said the opportunity would never be better. And it hasn't been.

>>135762842
I'm of a similar mind.
Saw a breakdown once though which showed the soviets had little to to no air support in many areas where the allies did have it....also nuke production.

Still though.

>>135755227
>Marshall Plan happens
US and england hated germany. That only happend To avoid soviet influence, not because they were friends.

>>135749139
ussr had much stronger lands armies with better equiped and more experienced soldiers.

anglos were never good on land, they allied either with france, russia or germany.

>>135763232
>also nuke production.

Nukes were extremely slow to build during that time period. By 1947, the US had built about 20.

This was also the era where the only way to reliably deliver a nuke was via bomber, which could be shot down.

Nuclear weapons were not a viable tactical or strategic weapon against the USSR in 1945.

>>135749907
Tens of millions of soviet soldiers and civilians were killed in World War Two, so I think that maybe, just maybe, the soviets wont be able to take over the entire fucking continent because they all had shitty equipment and so many died, you fucking kike

>>135749139
>he so hated and despised?+ 69 posts and 7 image replies omitted.
He didnt

>>135764487

Yes he did.

So out of interest what kept the soviets from attacking the allies if their odds were so good?

We're in hindsight now but what did they think at the time?

>>135750185
Port Arthur and Vladivostok? Though I think port Arthur is a warm water port

>>135749139
The USSR became extremely powerful towards the end of WW2, it was arguably a super power and its troops were all extremely skilled and battle-hardened having experienced the most colosall battles of all time. The western allies would've got a very nasty surprise if they had tried and Americas' nukes wouldn't have made too much difference.

>>135749947
>"the Russians were severely depleted both in terms of man power and industry"
>Russians depleted in man power

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! tubby, just stop. Don't talk about subjects that you know nothing about.

>>135767113

Oh so the soviet losses were light were they? Didn't read that in history class.

>>135749139
Commies would have died, since the US had the bomb. They really shouldve done it, majority of people wouldve welcomed the Anglos.

>>135765422
No, my father told me many stories of his time in the army. Shit infrastructure, shit transport, shit rations, shit equipment. Commies wouldve lost badly.

>>135765422
The Russians were crippled by their idiotic Ideology by 45 and could not win a war against the west

>>135749907
Patton didn't think so. He thought that the soviets were at the end of their supplies and couldn't last more than a week or two longer, whereas America was good to go. This, reportedly from his letters.

>>135749419
There are even plans to defeat a zombie outbreak.

>>135764877
>So out of interest what kept the soviets from attacking the allies if their odds were so good?

Because

1) They had just finished fighting a war which turned half of the continent into a burned-out hellscape and killed tens of millions of people

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference

>We're in hindsight now but what did they think at the time?

"There's no reason to continue this shitty war that we already won and got everything we wanted from."

>>135768158

hiding behind a fake flag

get out larpinfag

Would a new Axis appear in South America?

Americans would have lost. Allies only managed to succeed in western Europe mainly because Luftwaffe was depleted, while Soviet airforce exponentially grown in size and they had better equipped ground forces, which had more experience too. American doctrine, in fact, literally assumed that Russians would easily take Western Europe. As for muh nukes, allies would have no way to deliver them anywhere further then Central Europe.

>>135749947

>Operation Unthinkable was a code name of two related plans by the Western Allies against the Soviet Union. The plannings were ordered by British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in 1945 and developed by the British Armed Forces' Joint Planning Staff at the end of World War II in Europe.

>The first of the two assumed a surprise attack on the Soviet forces stationed in Germany in order to "impose the will of the Western Allies" on the Soviets. "The will" was qualified as "square deal for Poland" (which probably meant enforcing the recently signed Yalta Agreement). When the odds were judged "fanciful", the original plan was abandoned. The code name was used instead for a defensive scenario

Sounds like they knew it'd fail. Don't get all the people here saying it'd have succeeded.

>>135749139
Why would they march on their own puppet?
USSR was created by the anglo and american kikes. It was only Stalin problematic for them, but they killed him.

>>135749638
Wrong. USSR was devastated after WW2, it was able to push back Germans only with the help of allies. And USA had nukes and USSR didn't at the time.
They would crush it, but there was just no need for this.

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>>135755227
Keep dreaming, khokhol.

>>135769906

When was this plan drawn up? Let me guess before Hiro/Nag.

>>135749139
millions of casualties, nuclear weapons dropped on moscow, leningrad, and baku. united states forced to retreat to put down domestic unrest in france, england, and at home. mexico invades southwest with backing of soviet union.

>>135762766
you realize that the red army basically ran on lend-lease by the end of the war right? what happens when Ivan stops getting fed because his rations came from America?

>>135755409
Give me a fugin break.
What was the k/d ratio for the commies?

>>135761321
>Implying the narrative could even begin if Patton was the one liberating/documenting the camps

>>135772163
it was pretty close to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKPFT-RioU

>>135749947
>the Russians were severely depleted both in terms of man power and industry

>>135767758
>Oh so the soviet losses were light were they? Didn't read that in history class.

The Red Army was considerably larger at the end of WW2 than at the beginning. By the end, it had 6.5 million active soldiers, the largest standing army in human history. This was after they had already lost 35 million.

Their industrial ability had similarly increased, because they simply built more factories and employed more people, of which they had an enormous reserve.

You guys should read a book.

>>135778303

Of what quality were these conscripts? Do you honestly think they could stand up to several years of American attack? They couldn't, the Americans would bomb them whilst raising a larger army and the soviets would slowly whither due to attrition.

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>>135751445
Yes, as an American I learned nothing of the Soviet invasion in school.
The best argument that can be made for the bomb which is that both it AND the Soviet Invasion resulted in surrender. The idea that only the bomb caused surrender is absolutely absurd.

I should also note that the Japanese already offered surrender...with one condition.
They wanted to keep their Emperor.

We couldn't have that and decided to vaporize hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, even though, at the end of the day, the Japs got to keep their emperor anyways

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Cold war never wouldve happened

Nuke meme wouldntve happened

NWO wouldntve let that happen

Russia and China never really stopped being communist puppets. Search the catalog if you want the full story.

>>135749139
Less feminists in our schools and workplaces

>>135749139
>Churchill's wishes to march on to Moscow after defeating Germany
That was Patton besides either way Germany may have lost to the Red Army but they sure did kick its balls hard we could have beat them

>>135783158

Churchill wanted the same, it was until FDR got really cozy with Stalin (uncle Joe) did he stop trying to convince him to attack.

>>135783370
>Churchill wanted the same
Really? Never heard about it buy I know Patton wanted it to happen.
> it was until FDR got really cozy with Stalin
Fuckkkkk bullshit that should not be true but is

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>>135780029

The Soviets had just finished exterminating the largest, best-equipped, and best-led army the world had ever seen, in the largest series of military operations ever conducted, across thousands and thousands of miles of terrain, and you think they're just going to suddenly roll over and die because we show up on their doorstep with a few million soldiers? Soviets had already lost the entire combined strength of the Allied armies 9 times over and still managed to win and get everything they had wanted.

Since they weren't going to just surrender, we would have had to do what the Germans couldn't, ie, literally conquer Russia, except we had less men and less equipment (practically all of which had to be transported by sea), the Russians had the largest army the world had ever seen, fully mobilized, and already plonked down directly in front of Allied front line.

You simply haven't studied history if you think this was a realistic option for the Allies. The fact that this plan was abandoned almost immediately after it was written up should be a clue.

>>135783882

Again you seem to think that the troops in Europe are all there is an will ever be, the US could muster up more troops than the soviets if necessary and produce equipment and arms in far greater numbers, the Soviets might win at first but they would lose in the end.