/pol/ communism general

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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>>135653993

>>135670518
Communism was Jewish, Communism is Jewish, and Communism will always be Jewish.

>>135670518

ok

>>135674007
Bump

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>>135671325

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https://youtu.be/zePlTv8c_sg

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>>135672828

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>>135672828
This

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The Spaniard does this all the time.

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Communism doesn't work!

>>135674746
The famine that killed 7 million wasn't just because of him. Kaganovich was the one convicted of it. Yagoda himself was murdered in 1938 in the Great Purge.

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>>135670518

>>135670518
Tell me, how easy it is to destroy a communist state?

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>the severely autistic spainiard makes the daily punching bag thread yet again

You are stuck in an infinite loop of shit and piss you retarded faggot

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>>135670518
OP you never disappoint, because you're always a faggot, SAGE.

>>135670518
>Keep pushing communist threads on /Pol/
>Can't understand why communism has never been successfully implemented on any country ever

I do admire your futile optimism though. Doesn't make you any less of an idiot.

Just don't reply, and if you are, don't give him the (You)s

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>>135675536

Communism is stateless.

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>>135675866
Communism is Jewish.

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>>135676190
>that shitty MS paint job.
lol

>>135676283
Don't give him the (You)s, just let him be a retard, guy has a thick skull.

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>>135675677
If all you have are shitty anime pics to attempt to prove your point, you've failed.

Here, have another quote proving Communism is Jewish.


>>135676415
I'm not doing this for his benefit, I'm doing it so others will know that Communism is Jewish.

>>135675536
Fairly easy. It destroys itself within a decade or less

>>135676415

I have never been convinced with anything you guys keep throwing at me, is just a varied collection of fallacies what I have seen so far.

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>>135677062
>I have never been convinced with anything you guys keep throwing at me
That's because your beliefs don't reside in the realms of facts, logic and truth.

>is just a varied collection of fallacies what I have seen so far.
Dismissing the evidence because you don't like it is a fallacy.

If you would just say that "Communism is Jewish and I'm fine with that" it would be one thing.

But you want us to believe "Communism isn't Jewish" because you know support of the Jew doesn't fly here.

>>135670518

Westerners wouldnt last a week even in a mild communist state. Keep theorizing though.

>>135677362

How do you expect me to believe that quote if it doesn't even include the sources

>>135678114

Try again. Communism is stateless.

>>135675866
You know very well that "stateless society" is a silly meme

>>135678230
>You know very well that "stateless society" is a silly meme

how so? Is part of the definition.

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Ever wonder why Lenin a Jew drove around in his own luxurious Rolls-Royce while preaching Communism?

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>>135678131
>How do you expect me to believe that quote if it doesn't even include the sources
You'd dismiss the source out of hand even if it was sourced.

Like you'll dismiss this out of hand as well.

Sources on Jews and Communism
https://archive.org/details/SourcesOnJewsAndCommunism_700

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>>135678222
I dunno dude, Vietnam is technically a sovereign state. Burma is a sovereign state. The USSR was a sovereign state. PR China is a sovereign state. North Korea is a sovereign state.
Last time i checked, these were all communist states.
Therefor, communism is not stateless.

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communism is just a Jewish long scam.
Every murderous one on them Jews no matter how hard they tried to cover their origin

>>135678222
Jews are stateless

>>135678362
It's inherently self contradictory because any post-hunter-gatherer society will require some form of management. It doesn't matter if you call it state or workers union or whatever, there will always be people who tell other people what to do and how to live.

let's talk venezuela

>>135670518
Nigger

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>>135675338
Murdered? Strange word for found guilty

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>>135675338
Guilty Jews

>>135678362
Under Communism, the people and the economy exist to serve the State.

Under Capitalism, the people and the state exist to serve the Economy.

Under National Socialism, the economy and the state exist to serve the People.

>>135678733
>I dunno dude, Vietnam is technically a sovereign state. Burma is a sovereign state. The USSR was a sovereign state. PR China is a sovereign state. North Korea is a sovereign state.

Socialist states and a communist society are different things

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>>135679827
>Socialist states and a communist society are different things
...Because you say so.

Just like you say "Communism isn't Jewish but there's nothing wrong with the Jews either."

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>>135679827
You're world view is predicated upon the belief in redistribution of wealth, or not put so abstractly theft.
It's literally a Jewish con job. Jews at the top

>>135670518
Why do you clinge into communism when you could adopt the next stage of humanity following the communist stage?

>>135679827
Even if there were a global communist society, it'd still require "organizers" who make sure that supply chains are not interrupted, that certain unpopular jobs are done, that the right amount of food is delivered to the right places, etc etc. So we are back at>>135679290
Also, due to the fact that "organizers" are needed, the "classless" aspect of communism also becomes nothing more than a silly meme because now society is split into organizers and the organized.

>>135680736

I think OP is talking about the final anarcho-utopian form of communism which has never been reached by humans. I think ancestors of modern humans who foraged for food may have been communists.

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>>135679827
You say that, but what you do not realize is that communism is just not possible. It goes against human nature. Communism would thrive in a society run by a hive-mind species, say ants or honey bees. But Humans are not a hive mind. We're an individualistic species with individual personalities and individual wishes, needs and traits.
Yes, you're right in saying all communist states so far didn't follow "real communism", but it's not for the reason you think. It's because communism doesn't fucking work for humans.

Get a fucking job. Have children. Contribute to society instead of creating the same thread over and over and over again, hoping that people will suddenly agree with you, so that you can start another shithole society which is doomed to kill off everyone it houses.
Stop being a fucking contrarian because "i am cool right?", and start thinking realistically.

>>135670518

you inbreed retard, just look at venezuela for a minute and then tell here that communism has never been tried!

>communism is dumb shit for inbreed retard, social loser and other degenerates

>>135681830
>Anti-Communist
>Communist flag
wut

>>135681360
>>135681570

Both of these are spot on. Again I suggest anyone who thinks they 'like' communism go take part in a country transitioning into the final form of communism. Its going to be a nightmare.

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>>135679827
Are you currently self-employed or working in a coop or commune?

>>135681360

The "organizers" aren't corruptible humans. Is a cybernetic infrastructure (computerized planned economy) that automatically assists the community and it's designed to serve communism and to be resilient to sabotage. The creation of such a network started in the soviet Union but was never carried out by the politburo and no doubt contributed to the fall of the soviet union. You can read about it searching for OGAS.

There is no classes in such a scenario, only the community as a whole and the technology they use to organize themselves collectively and not as a stratified society of classes, humans and mindless yet thinking for us machines.

>>135681360


And you must understand that communism is a very advanced form of society after generations of socialism, it doesn't happen right away, it can't, you need to change the whole world into socialist states, you got to gradually suppress the coercive elements of society, etc

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>>135682692
>Is a cybernetic infrastructure (computerized planned economy) that automatically assists the community and it's designed to serve communism and to be resilient to sabotage
There's nothing preventing a fascist or capitalist nation from using these same AI's to run their nations more efficiently (and in the case of the fascist nations, they would actually be more efficient than the communist nations).

>>135682692
I notice how you completely ignore the evidence that proves Communism is Jewish.

Why is that?

Do you like Jews?

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>>135682692
>>135683115

That's the most commie answer you could have come up with with, bravo. Well I guess we just postpone this whole communism thingy until we are post-singularity.

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I come back here every once in a while to tell the spaniard he is wasting his life trying to make the case for an impossible system, but each and every time i explain to him why this system doesn't work, he never replies.
He knows he is wrong, but he is in complete denial.
I hope he'll realize the state of the world some day

>>135683363

If you create a society of hell for some people they will rebel one way or another, and you won't make it perfect enough to prevent it, fascism requires masters and slaves, since it is a classes society.

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>>135684201
>If you create a society of hell
aka Communism or Socialism

>for some people they will rebel one way or another,
So that explains the Gulags.

> fascism requires masters and slaves,
Not that we'd take the opinions of Fascism from a Communist.

> since it is a classes society.
Of one, united homogeneous people in which the government puts the welfare of the people before anything else.

Seriously though...why are you ignoring me? Is it because I proved Communism is Jewish and you don't like that?

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>>135684201
>If you create a society of hell for some people
You're acting like that's the intention of fascism.

>and you won't make it perfect enough to prevent it
Artificial Intelligence?

>fascism requires masters and slaves
Which is the natural state of humanity. We have understood this since our earliest civilizations, Confucius himself even codified it into a sort of religion/philosophy.

>>135685128
>Which is the natural state of humanity.

It might be for now, some of use are working to make change that, you sure are not.

>>135684201
>since it is a classes society.
Any post-singularity society would be classless because AI's would be able to produce stuff 24/7 for literally no costs.

The moment you went for 'we just need god-machines to make communism work' you kinda killed the whole discussion because now anything can work.

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>>135685406
I have yet to see a reason it ought to be changed.

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>communism general

Trotskyites out

>>135685493
They can't do anything without the Lord.
Trust me, time is running out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcmUg9UjK3U

>>135681570
it has been proven that humans act diffrently in diffrent circumstances, choose another argument. a new one for that because the left has already given answers too most points.

no, i refuse too participate in a system that torn the lives of many of my friends and family.

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>>135686221
>it has been proven that humans act diffrently in different circumstances
And yet we have never seen a successful society without property and hierarchy.

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>>135685492
>>135681360
>getting into an argument with a retarded commie kid that lost this same debate already 20 times before and keeps pretending to be retarded and baiting for replies with naive questions and brainless commie phrases so you bump his shitpost thread he believes is going to give attention to his retarded religion

why cant we just have capitalism with a mix of socialism (like we already have, cause you know, we already all pay for the roads everyone drives on)

>>135685492

You don't give a machine an artificial general intelligence if you don't want it to rule over you by the same reasons some humans rule over others by selfish capricious decisions, the system I'm talking about is the opposite of that, machines are always to serve us is, I'm not talking of a god-machine, you don't make that unless you want trouble, that's why I say they are mindless machines

For Commies: What's the difference in Communist terms between 'The State' and 'The Worker's Collective'?

Cuz I've always heard the State described as 'A collection of the masses that are occasionally polled to determine where the society is headed'. But then I hear An-Coms talk about how they're going to get rid of the State and replace it with 'A collection of the workers that are occasionally polled to determine where the society is headed'.

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>>135686398
you mean the more primitive society's that lived in communist-like, and yes even the leaders in such societys worked with the people.

people have lived like this for a long time, why are people denying these examples?

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>>135687078
>you mean the more primitive society's that lived in communist-like
Are you talking about the tribalistic hunter-gatherer societies that warred with each other, had chiefs as rulers, and took slaves? THOSE examples?

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>>135686835
ancoms only have hyrachies if they are justified.

example: if in war times, you want to create a communist like society via anarchism, you need a voluntary army which then would be justified.

>>135687276
yes kinda, you asked for an example in which everybody (even the chief) worked for the tribe/society.

"they took slaves". look at history and be reasonable. slavery was common practice then.

>>135687276

Notice that he said communist-like, not that they were literally communist societies, and they had chief and leaders naturally but not a state or money for example

>>135686835

Collective means the land seized by state from individual farmers who now work for the state.

The Black Book Of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

>>135687444
in this Ancom society, what would happen if say two people got together and said 'we're going to start selling widgets to other people for their widgets'? i.e. tried to create a market

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>>135686541
No matter how much you try to shill, you and your ilk belong in the dustbin of history. Grow up already.

>>135687992
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

(((Stéphane Courtois)))

Cite a more trustworthy and factual source please.

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>>135687811
>>135687842
It's just when you're only example of "successful communism" is one that neither has the characteristics of communism nor is desirable in any way then I don't know why you even bother to use it as an example. Unless you're an anarcho-primitivist then I don't see how these societies help your case.

>>135688258
>No matter how much you try to shill, you and your ilk belong in the dustbin of history. Grow up already.
Yes, we know you jewish communists want to exterminate the White race.

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>>135686221
Finally someone replying. Just too bad it's a larper.

You're right when you're saying that humans act differently in different circumstances, but i will not change my argument, because you have not refuted it. All you did was say "they've already answered it".

People act differently based on their environments, but that does not change consequences. The consequence of living in a communist shithole where everyone is living in poverty, that is.
I will give you the goodie point that a semi-communist system is possible in very VERY small communities, of let's say... 10 people. And the sense of community on such a small scale might as well be called tribalism instead.
Now, in this small society, """communism""" becomes gradually more and more impossible as more and more people are added to the community. Eventually the community becomes a society of several communities, and eventually an entire nation. That's how it has always worked. And as more people come to this society, the less people will start sharing, and be more fixated on their own valuable possessions. From there currency will become a thing, and first then has the communist dream completely been smashed.

I say again; Communism is impossible, as it goes against human nature. We are too individualistic.

Also, let's be honest with ourselves here. Had you lived in a communist state, then your friends and family would've been dead from malnutrition long ago.

>>135688680
>(((Stéphane Courtois)))
(((Marx)))
(((Lenin)))
(((Trotsky)))

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>>135688258

Says the ilk that belongs in the dustbin of history.

>>135688697

I guess is useful for when you got to point out other forms that human societies can be like when capitalists claim that capitalism is the 'natural' state of humanity, so to mean that in fact humans can organize in ways that might seem unnatural and unusual historically

>>135688969

Human nature is malleable.

>>135689124

How many states with a nazi government exist today?

>>135689608
>Human nature is malleable.
You're sounding like a character out of 1984.

You ever read that?

It's supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.

>>135689124

Also nazis are national socialists party of germany, it can only exist in germany and there is no nazi government in germany left.

>>135689530
>I guess is useful for when you got to point out other forms that human societies can be like when capitalists claim that capitalism is the 'natural' state of humanity, so to mean that in fact humans can organize in ways that might seem unnatural and unusual historically
Which is ironic because the natural state of judeo communism is death and failure.

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>>135689824
>Also nazis are national socialists party of germany, it can only exist in germany and there is no nazi government in germany left.

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>>135689530
But even these early societies seem to support the assertion that capitalism makes. We didn't make land property because we didn't have the technology to do so, as soon as we developed agriculture and mining land become privately owned just like everything else. The things we could make property of (like people) we did so without hesitation. We didn't have money or government because we didn't have the technology nor need to create money or government in such small communities, but as soon as trade became common and the amount of people needing organization grew then governments came into power and money was issued out.

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>>135689749
>How many states with a nazi government exist today?

Seems like a good idea on the paper, but once applied causes more atrocities than Nazism.
Been there done that, it'll never work worked on mammals, especially on lazy intelligent apes like us.

>>135689791

I already said that anything we do with technology must not end up in a machine governing over us authoritatively but we must remain dominant over the machines, some people will say we might one day ''fuse'' with the machine even.

In respect of the malleability of human nature I say that if humans want to genetically rewrite themselves it is a positive thing, human nature is shaped by culture too and the machines can be used to manipulate culture too. That's another way that can be used in conjunction with the genetic method. You want to make sure we become stronger in the sense that we resist the urges to return to a non-harmonious kind of society such as our current one.

>>135674680
only the first three bars are from reputable sources - the second author argues quiet convincingly in very book the number comes from that soviet union after ww2 was in fact intensely anti-semetic, and not jewish at all

>>135690225
>but once applied causes more atrocities than Nazism.
Those "atrocities" you speak of, did not happen.

>>135690225

Horrible things will happen one way or another, the point is to minimize it.

>>135690326
>I already said that anything we do with technology must not end up in a machine governing over us
But Jewish governing over us is perfectly acceptable...

>but we must remain dominant over the machines,
But the Jews must remain dominant over the goyim.

>In respect of the malleability of human nature I say that if humans want to genetically rewrite themselves it is a positive thing,
But then you support the genocide of the White race...go figure.

>human nature is shaped by culture too and the machines can be used to manipulate culture too.
You're a loony.

>You want to make sure we become stronger in the sense that we resist the urges to return to a non-harmonious kind of society such as our current one.
I want my race to thrive and exist. The exact opposite of what judeo communism wants.

>>135690596

I don't defend any of that, but you won't believe me of course.

>>135690417
>Horrible things will happen one way or another, the point is to minimize it.
The anti-Whites are leaving Whites no other recourse but to go to war with and possibly exterminate them.

Otherwise the anti-Whites will destroy the White race.

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>>135670518
Slide posto for dumb nigger threads

>>135690783
>I don't defend any of that,
You're a judeo communist. Being anti-White is in your ideology.

> but you won't believe me of course.
Because Communism is Jewish.
Jews are inherently anti-White.
Therefore, Communism is inherently anti-White.

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>>135670518
>Putin: Soviet Government Was Mostly Jewish 80-85%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIeYoF1VhHc

>Winston Churchill exposes forces behind Communism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNcERXGcpEY

The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party:

Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Lourie (Larine) JEW
Ouritski JEW
Volodarski JEW
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) JEW
Smidovitch JEW
Sverdlof (Yankel) JEW
Nakhamkes (Steklof) JEW

The Council of the People’s Commissars:

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) JEW
Food Schlichter JEW
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
State Control Lander JEW
State Lands Kauffman JEW
Works V. Schmidt JEW
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) JEWess
Religions Spitzberg JEW
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
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>>135689608
>>135690326
We both know that you're just spouting the impossible now.
Why on earth would people willingly change the state and mindset of our entire species?

>>135691558
>Why on earth would people willingly change the state and mindset of our entire species?
"Because you're an anti-semitic racist nazi if you don't."

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>>135688969
so you are agreeing with me and undestand me, but still want an explanation?

i dont believe in a super commune, i believe in local small communes that are more efficient because of the low bureaucracy, small communes with horizontal hyrachies.

i say: people will change overtime, the reason why we are so individualistic is because we were raised in this paranoid greed system that once was very usefull and was great but has been corrupted and killed by big bankers and the concept of money and private property.

in a communist state yes, but in smaller local commune things are more looked after bacause the suffering happens right in front of people, not on papers by numbers.

>>135691558

Gene editing is already happening, is a matter of time. Willingly people will one day want to enhance themselves, but the socialist state of the future can't accept monstrosities like violent behavior enhancements for example if it is a menace to the entire system harmony. You know that these things sound crazy and they do because the future is wild.

>>135692888
Ah, i now see.
I find no logical fallacies in this. Sorry if i seemed a bit rough.
The problem for this type of society is of course the massive urbanization and overpopulation of the world however.
Only place this'd be possible, would be in Africa, and we both know how hostile the environment is there.

I kind of think that is a shame, because the current state of society brings nothing but degeneracy and more pseudo-dictating hiding behind the facade of freedom and liberty.

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>>135693923
>Willingly people will one day want to enhance themselves, but the socialist state of the future can't accept monstrosities like violent behavior enhancements for example if it is a menace to the entire system harmony
>assuming the state of the future will be socialist
Sure, some of the states might be socialist, but some will be capitalist, and some will be fascist, and some will be distributist.

It will be interesting though, I agree with you on that. The Fascist, capitalist, socialist, and distributist states will be able to use gene editing to work out all the kinks in their system, and none of them would really have any reason to fight each other because the people would have diverged so radically on a genetic level by that point that the very idea of converting them to the other side would be laughable.

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>>135670518
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
Assuming parasites are destined to suck our blood forever.
Instead, I envision a completely free society, just like it was in 1787, where parasites when detected are thrown out, or if they are found to be organizing scams for blood sucking they are tortured and murdered.

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>>135670518
>mass automation happens
>the people rebel and institute a communist society
>automation now allows 1 man to do the work of 100
>individuals start taking advantage of this to own their own factories and land by managing robots that work them
>some people get upset, but the individuals point out that they are simply following communism, since they (the workers) are the ones who are owning the means of production, and they are not hiring anybody nor exploiting their work
>soon these individuals start cooperating with each other, forming voluntary governments and organizations
>they cooperate to cut off the other commies from resources, while building robotic Privatized Death Squads to mow down anyone who tries to fight them
>the people would fight this, but technically they are still just obeying communism as Marx intended

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>>135695785

I wish you will one day seek true freedom too.

Op is an idiot


Communism results in either

1.dictatorship
2.poverty and starvation
3. All of the above

>>135698622

None of those are communism.

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(((135699337)))
No, but pic related is

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>>135699337
And that's why communism will never exist.

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>>135670518
Typical leftyfags. Can't stay in their own yards.

Pic related: Not a coincidence.

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In this supposed stateless/anarchist commie society, what's to stop a bunch of people collectively founding a micronation and establishing currency and private property/industry between eachother?

I pray everyday for that spanicuck will die in his sleep, you didn't even live under communist regime, dumb fucking nigger, you don't know what it is.
>MUH HOMONISM FREE GIBZ :---DDD

>>135700039

It would be pointless in a post-scarcity society with material abundance

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>>135700743
Don't dodge the question, what would be done if a bunch of capitalists decided to capitalize with eachother?

>>135700290
He'll just say something like "UHHHH, YOU DESERVE TO DIE FOR BETRAYING YOUR GRANDFATHERS AND SHIT".

>>135700290

Communist regimes don't exist, only socialist states with a communist party like USSR, and I know those were difficult times I'm aware , they came out of a civil war, then the worst war in human history and later corrupt politicians.

>>135700948

nothing if they don't disturb the overall stability of the communist society, if they grow to big these bourgeois cunts would need to be persuaded to give up, if they continue to be a treat then they should be forced to give up. But the human behavioral traits that predispose them to be bourgeois would have been eliminated during the socialist state, there is no reason to believe a bunch of people would decide to be exploiters (capitalists) unless they are a glitch in the system.

>>135701481
So if more and more people decide they want in on the capitalist micronation of their own free will, you're gonna 'force' them to give up at some point?

>>135701665

if they grow too big then yes, they are a danger to the communist society, exploiters are not allowed.

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Every day

>>135703357
And who's gonna force them?

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Just kys already
No one likes your pleb economic mindset

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>>135703564
>diet doctor pepper

>>135703931
;^)