/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

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Wassap my freedom Loving friends.

>>135660556
Quick question about Anarcho-Capitalism
Wiki reads:
>In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be operated by privately funded competitors rather than centrally through compulsory taxation.

So, basically it would be like health care in USA, right? And you'd have to buy all sort of insurance that most people couldn't afford?

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Slow thread today.

>>135661761
Loaded question, with your "most people couldn't afford" quip. It would be private, but healthcare and all other insurance would be much more affordable without government intervention in the market.

>>135660556
END ROAD SOCIALISM

>>135661990
I'm not sure about that, what about monopolies? do you believe they would not exist? Human desire of power would be even bigger without any control,
just like women get more and degenerate after feminism set them free.

I bending towards libertarianizm, but I'm not naive about corruption

>>135662654
>Do you believe they would not exist?
Essentially, yes.
https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly
https://mises.org/library/fear-monopoly
https://mises.org/blog/blame-government-not-markets-monopoly

>>135663260
Well, that sounds credible, but I still think AC is just a romantic vision, and would be exploited by some (((mob)))
I'm speaking from my bad experience with people, I think I've mostly met the worst kind.

>>135665638
>I think I've mostly met the worst kind.

And they all become politicians.

>>135665638
Surely this extends to government?

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>>135662654
Korporacje i monopol może istnieć tylko dzięki rządowi.
>>135665638
It's not a utopian system, but it is a meritocratic one. You gain power only by engaging in the free market capitalism, thus improving lives of all people around you.

A tu masz przykład jak działa monopol państwowy. Goverment is just a monopol on services you want.

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>>135667338
>Surely this extends to government?
it does, that's why any system is fucked up, unless a monarchy with some venerable and just leader,
but that even if happened would be short-lived

>>135668655
>Being blackpilled

>>135660948
Hoppe is the hope for humanity

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>>135661990
who would take care of the disabled?

>>135668871
http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

>>135668871
Previously purchased insurances, their families and private charity in the extreme cases.

Did you for a second think what happens if we eliminate the need for family and private, discriminating charity?

People become nihilistic assholes. So encouraging the role of family and charity will only make sure people behave better if only to make sure people give a shit about them.

>>135668774
You might be right,
I spend last 10 years living in London(hardly british these days), and as you can imagine, not being from the wealthy, I only interacted with mostly shitskins and degenerates.
It changed my life, and view of people.

>>135668655
We advocate for contract based private cities, meaning, you will be, if you chose to live in any of the multiple private cities, under the rule a benevolent king under a contract of services.

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>>135669426
Look. Poland is like 99.9% white. So why aren't we rich and a great nation? There is only one answer - socialist democracy. I agree with monarchy, us ancaps think that ancapistan can come through either evolution of systems from basically communist ones to minarchist monarchies or through the collapse of socialist goverments.

>>135669825
To me the answer is >>corruption
socialist-democracy isn't bad on itself
take for example Education, soc-dem gives equal rights to peoples education,
how does it look like in Ancap?

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>>135670370
Do you honestly think the current system of education isn't shit? People are not equal. If you can't do maths you shouldn't be taught maths. If you cannot comprehend chemistry, guess what?
The current system makes the speed of education set at the worst individual.

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>>135660556
Have a bump

>>135670993
well it's not like we're all geniuses, and in fact if someone is clearly ahead of the rest, gets promoted to +1year older class
also after primary school you get to choose which direction you want to educate yourself
so it's not that shit
i suppose in ancap you'd have private tutors, and most of them would be incompetent shits, and no way of knowing that.
that is my concern about ancap. i guess i spent too mych time in my life among niggers and shitskins, but i just can't imagine ancap country without violence, like gang wars or worse
because of course those private cities would have private armies, right?

>>135670993
>>135672437
Just to add, The State in ancap would still exist, it would only be privatized.

>>135672614
>Just to add, The State in ancap would still exist, it would only be privatized.
This is misleading; the functions of the state would mostly be carried out, but the state would stop existing and a competitive market of law would take it's place.

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>>135672614
I'm not going to respond to any of that if you don't form an argument.
>>135672437
After 9 years of shitty education, you can finnaly specialise. Great.

No. It would be the free market. If you want you can send your kid to a general school, to a specialised school, a school without maths, a school without grammar or just private tutors, exc. Free choice. Your theory of "incompetent shits" has no support because the free market increases quality with time naturally. exc. Free choice.

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>>135660556

>right 'libertarian'

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>>135673793

well atleast your better then the fascist who can't seem to have any integrity ever

>>135673793
>But now we had taken it over
Do you have difficulty understanding what this means?

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>>135674089

true individualism

>>135660556
That one in the middle isn't /bernie/ is it?

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Why are white babies so much more expensive than black babies?

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>>135674089
You cannot comprehend what private property is you fucking commie, scum like you get to be declared cattle in our world.
>>135674266
This is Hans Herman Hoppe you fucking..... Jesus christ.... How can you make such an idiotic guess?

>>135674159
no not at all, its just that sometimes people seem to hate what they call "post modernist trickery"
while other times definitions are up for grabs

it all depends on where you stand ;^) i just posted it to make people aware of it. Im sure they can either flip flop between definitions , or stick to one. Its not like integrity is valued high in politics anyways

>>135674266
Nope.
Left to right:
>Murray N. Rothbard, Ron Paul, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, (((Ayn Rand))), Ralph Raico?, Frederic Bastiat, Ludwig von Mises, F. A. Hayek.

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>>135674401

>'in ouer world'
too bad im living in reality, and i don't see any real constructs, just spooks

good luck with your 'world' its about time you started doing something, the left has been winning for too long.
But the whole game of ideas is just part of an dialectical process, and most people are sheeps in the system. Im sure you will do your part bootlicker

>>135673751
Your pic related is great
>Your theory of "incompetent shits" has no support because the free market increases quality with time naturally
It has support in reality, we have fairly free market
take for example food
US has very little restrictions on food quality
EU has fair shit ton of restrictions

I imagine ancap would just have paid shills to sell you some beef full of hormones, and tell you how healthy it is
i'm not saying EU is better, but al least in theory there is no conflict of interest

ancap is like conflict of interest clusterfuck in some cases, as I see it

>>135674716
>Posts Stirner memes
>Believes in dialeticalism

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>>135660556
Do you owe your family, and by extension race, anything for collecting superior genes over the millennia to produce you?

One might argue that national socialism is just the free market and you're paying to give a dignified life and to protect the descendants of the people who provided you with a powerful intellect.

as a chinese transexual I wish to join this movement to fight for individual liberty. Racists and Sexists/Homophobes - anyone that discriminates from a collective perspective must be REMOVED

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>>135674975

>>135660556

this is honestly a great piece of artwork

L to R:
Murray Rothbard
Ron Paul
Hoppe (front)
Ayn Rand (Back)
Milton Friedman (?)
De Tocqueville (back)
Ludwig von Mises (front)
FA Hayek

Well done, whoever did this OC.

>>135675100
Hardly seeing a difference from anarcho communism and libertarianism.
As an anarcho communist we believed in a revolution that would end in every individuals rights being respected regardless of race/gender.

>>135674716
Bootlicker? You are the one advocating for goverment to take care of you from the day you are born to the day you die. The left has been winning? Since when? Last year things turned around.
>>135674779
"Fairly free market" The EU is a communist institution and the taxation in most of the western world is at least 50%. In Poland I'd say around 60-70% of your money goes to goverment.
In ancap you buy whatever you want.
>>135674917
One can argue communism works.
>>135675523
Fuck off no niggers, muslims and mental illness allowed in my private society.

>>135674917
I'd argue you don't 'owe' them anything (per se) as far as that would violate your natural rights & self ownership.
One could make that argument, which would be a variation of the argument that because states exist, it shows their is a demand for them, but this can't be said to be a 'free market' in politics since you can't simply choose another type of government (competition). More importantly, almost every state is formed via conquest and violence, so this argument doesn't really hold unless you're of the opinion that might makes right.

>>135673534
>a competitive market of law would take it's place
so basically Private State, you can only name it differently

I consider myself a minarchist (well, after a brief research it seemed like my exact views) and am about to read Nozick's Anarchy, State and Utopia. Is it a good start?

I'd not count myself as a "conservative" though.

>>135675679
Uh yes there is. There is nothing to stop us from opening our own business's and owning land and sustaining and growing ourselves within said society. No government can intrude on our individual and property rights.

All that matters is whether we survive in the free market.

>>135675931
Completely false, a state is defined as a territorial monopolist of force, these companies aren't monopolists at all (you could have neighbors subscribed to completely different systems of law), more importantly these companies aren't allowed to use violence at will.

>>135676023
>I'd not count myself as a "conservative" though.
Why not?

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>>135675931
It's not the same. There is a difference between a competetive market of law and an uncompetetive market of law.
>>135676023
http://www.libertarianright.org/reading/
reading list you might be interested in
>>135676144
Your private property wouldn't be in the said society and if you try to intrude we would physically remove you. Other then that I agree. Since when there is demand there is supply, degenerates would probably have some place where a capitalist can gain profits from them.

>>135676214
>you could have neighbors subscribed to completely different systems of law
And how would that work? Give me an example, or I assume you don't know what you're talking about

>>135675679
You didn't answer my question though

>>135676214
I believe people should be able to act and be as they want, without the gov. intervening with them or even suggesting some "acceptable" behaviour for them. I think I'd be a conservative if I were living in a 1st world country but from where I stand, more freedom isn't a bad thing.
>>135676475
thanks anon but I know of that site, I was wondering what you faggots think of Nazick.

>>135676475
Uh you can't remove me. Government power and any monopoly of violence has been removed and we have been given equal access to arms/violence capabilities. We also would not stand alone as many libertarians would stand by our individual rights to exist. At best you could vocally oppose our being and also boycott us.

>>135674089
God that pic is so fucking stupid. It offers no solution and just says it's the same thing so, lets go with what we have now.
What we have now:
>The banking industry owns the land and will always reclaim it if you stop payment
>Pay taxes to live on the land you're already paying for
>Have to consult with the state about what you do and put on their land
>If you do not do these things you land is taken and you face going to jail
I say PASS. You faggots don't understand what it used to be like owning a plot of land to do with what you wanted. Now you're all so cucked and brainwashed by the federal government you'll defend their right to shove a meaty girthy cock down your stupid fucking throats.

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>>135676747
Why do you think you know our political believes better than ourselves? You're coming in with pretty loaded statements.

I can give you an example from not such far history:
Berlin, in the Cold War days of East and West Germany.
>>135677192
Do you know what private property is? We can remove you from our private property.

>>135675931
No wonder that stupid slavs became communist. Fucking snowniggers.

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>>135677487
Us slavs were forced into communism by yours truly, then decades of brainwashing made us forever socialist.

>>135677402
Uh I won't be near your private property, I will be gathering with fellow minded suppressed minorities and left libertarians ensuring we create our own production and economic base while growing faster than your sect of the libertarian society via importing foreigners.

>>135677402
>Why do you think you know our political believes better than ourselves? You're coming in with pretty loaded statements.
NO, I'm trying to understand what is Ancap about, if you can't explain, maybe you shouldn't post like you know something.

>I can give you an example from not such far history:
>Berlin, in the Cold War days of East and West Germany.
wew, east and west germany WHAT? what am I supposed to think of that? that's not even example, it's a shit post, no fucking content at all

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>>135676747
Polycentric law is a rather wide subject which I don't have massive knowledge on. Roughly, it works similar to private arbitration currently, and such systems have existed in the (not so wild) wild west, celtic ireland, and generally in Europe via the practice of anglo-saxon law.
More reading on the subject:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
>The Machinery of Freedom (David Friedman) - http://www.daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf
>For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard) - https://mises.org/library/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto
Of course, you would know all this if you actually read the OP. I'm sure such an intelligent man of yourself would know, I guess you just forgot? It's ok, I have a short memory too.

Where's the avatar fag that uses a picture of Kelly Anne for every post so he can stand out on a containment thread in a containment board on an anonymous website?

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>>135677724
>you could have neighbors subscribed to completely different systems of law
>And how would that work? Give me an example, or I assume you don't know what you're talking about
West and east berlin. I don't know who's shitposting who anymore.
>>135677687
Whatever then, as long as you don't violate our NAP.

>>135678035
>Of course, you would know all this
No I wouldn't, I don't have to know EVERYTHING to be intelligent,
but I'm sure such an intelligent man as yourself would know that

and thanks for the effort of copypasting relevant links,

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>>135678154
>Whatever then, as long as you don't violate our NAP.
Except we will be encouraging a culture of collective activism/organization and identity politics while you encourage a culture of hyper individualism and " leave me alone-ism " and will be divided and easily defeated over time.

>>135678154
>West and east berlin.
West and east berlin what? Can you type full sentence? What are you talking about?

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>>135678657
You asked for an example of how neighbours can be subscribed to completely different systems of law, I gave you one that has already happened under goverments.
West and east berlin were under different goverments.

>>135661761
Yes. Private corporations would be responsible for everything not just health care. People being unable a product is not a concern of an an-cap society unless they are not making profit due to an inability to pay the currency or goods/services deemed accepted by the service being provided (healthcare in this case)
>>135662654
Monopolies would and should exist and will fall given a long enough time scale.
>>135665638
A mob of corporations? Take your business elsewhere, organize a takeover. Fight against whatever mob is trying to destroy your way of life. An-cap is not a movement for pussies unable to take action into their own hands.
>>135670370
The inability to decide what government you follow is a crime against man. A private funded government could be founded in an an-cap society. Don't like it? Don't live there, don't pay them.
>>135672437
There would be violence outside of whatever bubble of community/corporation you reside around. Again, it's not a movement for pussies.
>>135672614
Everything would be privatized.

There's a basic explanation for you.
>>135677724

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>>135677687
>Importing foreigners increases economic growth
>Not accounting for cultural differences that would tear your community apart
>not accounting for islamic takeover
>not accounting for foreigners wanting gibs

Well, what can you expect from a leaf?

>>135680148
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1501535612430.webm

>>135678972
There was also a wall separating them, so they were not neighbors as individuals
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about

>>135680612
They can't be a neigbour if there is a wall seperating them? What's the problem?

>>135678523
Identify groups are the easiest to pit against each other. You will implode from infighting before anything gets done.
t. Rabbi Shekelgrubber

>>135680006
>Yes. Private corporations would be responsible for everything not just health care.
So it would be like Private State, the only difference would be , you could choose one of many, and hope for not getting screwed up by the small print
Basically that would be like emigrating to different country without moving your house.

So the State would still exist, only it would be privatized.

OK, I think i get it now. Ancap is basically Mexico.

>>135681245
>Irrationally hating 'muh small print'

>>135681245
How the fuck is Mexico libertarian in any way? Are you retarded?

>>135681673
The Mexican gov is very weak. Gangs are the law in many areas. So there isn't a monopoly on violence. It's libertarian.

>>135681245
There are a lot of countries like an-cap but, nothing is an an-cap society. Mexico uses their current government to fuck over their people. It's far from an-cap. The state would only exist if a large enough group of people supported their movement. If people stopped supporting it then it would wither and die quickly from lack of funding.

>>135681673
You have 3 drug cartels and official government to choose from for taking your interests,
sounds just about like ancap.

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>>135682153
>How the fuck is it libertarian?
>You can choose between 3 cartels.
You're surely a great intellectual.

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Hey lads.
I'm starting to see the appeal for gun control in the UK - any self-respecting man would have opened fire on this abomination that some call Brighton.
At least there's fewer burqas here than at the Vienna Airport.

>>135682434
Oh, so you run out of arguments, and decided to attack me personally,
bravo

>>135682655
You argument is shit no point in rebutting it.

>>135682153
Drug cartels in Mexico exist because they can sell drugs, humans, and general gangster shit to neighboring countries at highly inflated rates. Without hyper inflated drug prices these cartels would shrivel up and lose power. There is currently a much higher demand for drugs than any other illegal service offered by these mexican cartels. It is also not an an-cap society.

>>135677687
You do that.
I'm sure you'll get along just fine in a low-trust, commie society.

>>135682702
You've jumped in a thread, and have no fucking clue what it is about,
why don't you read from the beggining or just fuck off

>>135682871
fucking bitch

>>135682871
I have read from the beggining, comparing a shitty state like Mexico to a libertarian free society is intellectualy dishonest. You also didn't provide an argument for it other than "I think an-capistan is a crime ridden shithole, so let me compare it to a crime ridden shithole."

>>135682769
>It is also not an an-cap society.
So what is ancap society? is it society without corruption and criminal gangs?
I'm trying to look at the bottomside of ancap, not just fall in love with upsides.

>>135683408
It is a society of private law, where the only rules everyone needs to obey is private property and the non-agression principle.

>>135661990
There is huge demand for technological alternatives, for example for Windows, Google, Facebook. The free market should now have seen that they just print money every month. Where is the competition? Why do this quasi monopolies exists?

>>135683555
So I'm trying, as politely as I can, to find out how would you enforce all this?
Can you answer this without spamming liks to other sites?

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>>135660556

>>135683767
>Why do this quasi monopolies exists?
Your flag, and other institutions like that.

>>135683812
>Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you

>>135683408
That's what you're not understanding. It is an upside and downside society. It is driven by the people around it and not by a governing force. The closest analogy to what an an-cap society would be like is how the fallout universe is like. There would be gangs, there would be violence, there would be corruption. There would also not be those things with some places that have a mixture of good and bad. It is the ultimate freedom of choice.

>>135683891
>Your flag, and other institutions like that.
That's just a meme
EU is shit atm, but in principle it was pretty much ancap

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>>135683854
LOL

>>135683812
Enforce it with private security forces and the ability for anyone to own a firearm, or tank, or whatever.
>>135683767
Because goverments fund them. Windows, Google, Facebook, Twitter, their customers are the goverments, not the user.
>>135684046
>Centrilizing everything is an-cap
>Communist creation, lead by communis is an-cap
Jesus fucking christ man...

>>135683812
Yourself, your community, or a private corporation to represent you accordingly.

>>135684046
Political centralisation is something we oppose on principle, though.

>>135684170
I said IN PRINCIPLE, you fucking retard
would it be too much if I asked you to leave the conversation to adults?

EU was meant to be just a free trade contract, then free movement, learn something instead of just shitposting and pretending to be knowledgeable

>>135684246
That's why EU is a shithole atm, but it wasn't meant to be like that when it started

>>135680006
> Private corporations would be responsible for >everything not just health care

Why shouldn't a private corporation take bribes so high that if would offset any penalty they have to pay? As long there is a net gain, why not do it, if there are no other rules? We see this dysfunction already in banks, you do something shitty weekly - and already calculated the fines in, still having gains.

>>135684932
You're thinking about a government these corporations would have to fall back on. If a corporation is doing shit people do not like then the people will not be obligated to continue paying for their services and take business elsewhere. Your neighbor could become your health insurance agent.

>>135684170
>Because goverments fund them. Windows, Google, Facebook, Twitter, their customers are the goverments, not the user.

Facebook makes billions by ads, not by governments. Its the human factor, that fails all the libertarian ideas. If nobody wants to be fucking zuckerberg, he will stay alone there and rake in the monies. Theoretical competition is not real competition and no wiggling will change that. The left also constantly "plans" with a human who isn't willing to be communist cattle. Even Lenin needed to kidnap whole families so the farmers produced more food they needed.

>>135684647
Yes, it was, no reason to centralize it. Politics is full of excuses, but their objectives are always the same: increase the power of the state, dimish the power of the individual.

>>135685335
Thats not how human nature works. "For me, this low interest is good. What, they fucked some people at the other side of the world? Why do I care?" As long the fuckery is well boxed away, most of people would say "Didn't they pay the fine" and just keep it that way. People hate on things like Paypal for years, still they don't change a thing.

>>135685457
In other words - corruption
and it seems to me Ancap is a perfect system for that.
I'm trying to have someone convince me it's not, but I'm starting to think I'm just wasting my time

>>135685733
You mean that anarcho-capitalism is a system that tends to centralize the power? What's your question?

>>135685733
Ancap in a society where is no free land to grab will not work. It will give one side a HUGE advantage over other. With the moon and other planets, it would be an interesting experiment.

>>135685622
Are you really trying to use human nature as an argument... I'll ignore that part. There are alternatives to paypal and you can use them if you wanted. Why should you care if they're fucking over people on the other side of the world? That part of the world can have a paypal alternative that can fuck you over on your side of the world. Choose business accordingly. If you continue to pay a company that does not have your best interest at heart then you are stupid at best. Most of the reason why we can't take our business elsewhere is because of laws and governing principles telling us what we can or cannot do in a supposed "free market"

>>135685867
>You mean that anarcho-capitalism is a system that tends to centralize the power
No, it's a perfect system for corrupted organisations

Do you now have any idea what is going on in private corporations?
In Ancap there is no transparency
so no one would know how corrupted they are, who owns what company,
there could be one group of people who owns all competing companies/services, and you wouldn't know that

>>135685622
you just made a much stronger argument against taxes, but you dont even realize it
the worst thing a private actor can do is multiplied with state power

here is a better discord /sDDWdm

>>135686250
are you sure you care about transparency?
why is your polish military allowed to keep THEIR technology secret?

>>135686220
>Are you really trying to use human nature as an argument... I'll ignore that part
Well there you go, that's the problem you have

> If you continue to pay a company that does not have your best interest at heart then you are stupid at best.
Or maybe there is no alternative?

Look at democracy, they always say if you don't like this president/party vote for someone else
but what choice do you have?
most of the time you vote for lesser evil

>>135686250
>Do you now have any idea what is going on in private corporations?
>In Ancap there is no transparency
So, start a business that provides transparency and enforce this standard you set. People would pay you to do this if you were trusted enough from both sides. You're thinking too much about a government again instead of what your own personal freedom can do about the issue you're describing.

>>135662394
This, none of that AnCap nonsense.

>>135686675
is it human nature to steal?
or is it human nature to see stealing as wrong?

>>135660556
I believe the US as founded was Porto-libertarianism.

Stated in words such as 'the government that governs best governs least'.

>>135686250
I understand your worry, but I think that it wouldn't happen for several reasons.
First, big organizations don't work well beucase of their size. It's hard for them com compete with smaller companies who can offer a more specialized service based on what the client wants.
Second, if we are speaking about communities of like-minded people, there would be a need to look for where your money is going and this would find these corrupt organizations easily.
Third, these big companies benefit in the current system beucase the inflation benefits them, so they can sell in scale easily. You wanna get rid of your money because it will devaluate. A deflationary system inverts this power, increasing the power of communities and individuals.

>>135686675
It's not a problem I have it's just pointless to bring up in a free society like an-cap. Niggers gonna nig, christians gonna crucify, muslims gonna behead. People will take advantage of things if you do not see them or let them get away with it. That's true for every society. There is no alternative because of government regulations and restrictions telling you that it is illegal to start alternatives.

>>135660556
so many jews in one picture wow just wow

>>135687202
Not an argument.

>>135686220
Why is "human nature" not an argument? Why not building the best and biggest "cop company" out there, crushing the competition AND then, when you are the biggest cop-google in the land, telling everybody "For 1 billion dollars, you can kill someone for free". People will be disgusted, but since the company is the only one with the best "do not murder this person or we will fry you" contracts, nobody will change that. They will simply hope they aren't the one that someone wants to kill for a billion.
This is how this world works with this "kind" of humans. Lowest energy.

>>135660556

If taxes are abolished rather than a 10% flare are, and property taxes are abolished( which I heavily support) how would basic gov. responsibilities be funded?

What gov. spending would you cut that would be in equalibrium with the much lessened revenue and debt we must pay?

>>135686790
>So, start a business that provides transparency and enforce this standard you set
There's no way to do that in ancap society? There's no law that would force corporation to be transparent, and believe me no single corporation would want to be transparent

>>135660556
(((Ayn Rand)))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU

>>135686830
Hoppean snake is anarcho capitalist.

>>135686830
Lol nigga, I am AnCap and so is snekboy

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You guys worship liberty just like Christians worship god, SJWs worship oppression, and communists worship poverty.

You are no better than these groups.

Stay spooked, my dudes. I might dress up as a ancap for halloween.

>>135687088
>A deflationary system inverts this power, increasing the power of communities and individuals.
I don't think that's the way money works,
besides you'd have 1000s of currencies to choose from, because anyone could print money

>>135687308
You will have three companies taking care of roads. Two of them are shits like "beat him out" american airplane companies or cable companies who lie and steal your money. Piss poor road quality, lowest denominator. Three different proprietary toll systems, who will overcharge you constantly and you are too tired to fight all the small $1 and $10 everywhere.

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>>135687308
>Having a government

>>135687621
Hating religion

>>135687297
Then let them do it or fight against it. If other large corporations decide they do not agree with their policy and they get boycotted then they plummet to the bottom for another business to take its place. They still have to please the people paying them to some degree.

>>135687329
No, there's no way you could do that in an an-cap society. Why? You simply are not good enough for the job. You can fix this problem without a government and at the same time make a living and profit off of. Corporations care about making money, if people will not give them money because they are not trusted then it's a dying corporation.

>>135687621
And you worship the government you fucking panzy

>>135687728
In one week two airplane companies (out of two delivering this route) beat two people out of the planes. Which one was the better one to choose? Theoretical competition is not real competition. If the paid cop doesn't show up, it doesn't matter for me because I'm dead and they simply swallow the fines, because they would never so huge to make a dent.

>>135687330
I'm honestly not a fan of Rand either, but I know a few frequent posters here are.

>>135687956
>if people will not give them money because they are not trusted then it's a dying corporation.
Name one corporation you trust today

>>135687667
Yes, it is. Inflationary currency benefits whoever prints it. Deflationary currency benefits those who hold it.
A thousand of currencies could exist, or some people would use gold or silver, or any form of cryptocurrency. They wouldn't chose something that devaluates. In the first moments there could be some currencies to chose from, but it's hard to deal with multiple currencies, people will hold what most benefits them and also the most simple to use. In the currency competition, a winner would arise.

>>135687994
They're a private business. If they want to kick people out it is their decision. You have legs, you have a car, there is other choices for transportation and other airports. If the paid cop doesn't show up then you're fucked. Should fight your own shit without relying on the police to handle it for you. This is not a society for pussies.

>>135688098
So they wouldn't spend money, because it's increasing in value.
How would the world work then? How would people trade? I wouldn't spend $100 today if it was worth $200 tomorrow, would you?

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>>135687979
>implying implications
I use the government strictly for my own ends.

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wassup my friends of black and yellow complexion

>>135688379

you should watch this https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=JdS6fyUIklI

>>135688398
You're making the same argument that Keynes made, ignoring that people need to eat and produce. There is no "wouldn't spend money," you can't delay consumption forever.

Also, out of the shitton of worthless digital or paper currencies people would simply flock to gold and silver.

>>135688398
Of course you prefer to starve instead of spending a cent, because tomorrow you would be 0.000000001% richer!
Humanity used gold more more than 2 thousand years, the inflation was low(if you don't consider scenarios like spanish price revolution) and everything worked fine. Technology developed and so on.

>>135688067
That's a stupid point to make. I "trust" a lot of companies and corporations to sell me goods and services they claim to be providing. I don't give a shit if a shirt was made in a sweatshop or if it's GMO foods. Trust has nothing to do with it. I don't need to know everything going on in the background I only care about the end product being what I pay for.

>>135688555
Hello portubro

The libertarian party has some faggots in it but I still think the alt right is 1000x gayer

>>135687956
That "corporation are out there to make money" thing would be true, if anyone would be so pure. Don't you follow economic news? There are lots of huge corporations with soap operas at the top all the time. Large families fighting over control and such things. Some corporations doesn't exists anymore, because they decided to have an unnecessary hissy fit with investors etc. We have seen in Kansas what happens if you follow an idiotic idea to its maximum damage.

Self-Governance requires a Christian-Virtuous People

>>135688875
Which people in the libertarian party are not fags?

>>135688700
Yes, but having 1000s currencies to choose from, I'm sure there would be one that devaluates, because supply-demand

>Also, out of the shitton of worthless digital or paper currencies people would simply flock to gold and silver.
Exactly, so the currency that doesn't devaluate would be worthless, because no one would need it
thanks for proving my point

>>135688379
So the answer is basically, optional contracts that aren't worth a shit and you can't count on is the "new gold standard". Who wants to life in a society of constants warzones, clans fighting each other and other nonsense? "I have two snipers can we do this contract?" "I have three, sorry, weakling". BAMM.

>>135689037
dave smith

>>135667558
Bullshit. What damage the bartender has caused? If there's damage, he must compensate it to the victims. In any case the bar will not be closed.

>>135688883
I fail to see what point you're trying to make. You already included what I'd tell you as a response.
>Some corporations doesn't exists anymore, because they decided to have an unnecessary hissy fit with investors etc.

>>135689191
Dave's alright, but I still qualify him as a borderline fag.

>>135689103
> I'm very smart and live in this ancap world
> of course a currency that devaluates is good, I always use this currency that is deflationary making me richer everyday, why not try out these new shiny (((shekels)))?

>>135689103
dafuq are you talking about?

>random losers start emitting random meme coins like "doge coins" without no physical backing or scarcity
>other smart people start trading with gold and silver, which are finite, and banks form to emit gold and silver certificates
>we return to 100% gold standard

>>135688743
>I don't need to know everything going on in the background I only care about the end product being what I pay for.
That's my point, you don't really know what you pay for.
You don't know what's in the food you eat unless you test it in some laboratory, that would inflate the price you pay for food.

In the end you only believe that the product you buy is the product you want.
That's reality I'm talking about

>>135689290
smarmy army nigga

>>135660948
I read hoppe argument as monarchy was bad, but democracy is worse. Those who favour monarchy can not be anarchists.

>>135689169
>>135688379
This is nonesense. There is every reason to believe companies will provide a good quality service, this whole argument is memes.

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>>135689423
Unless they voluntarily choose to follow a king-pretender and establish a kingdom.

>Who wants to life in a society of constants warzones, clans fighting each other and other nonsense?
>>135689169
>>135688555
>>135687979
>>135686966
>>135685867
>>135683555
>>135680148
>>135674349
>>135668813
>>135662123
>>135660948
(Us)

>>135689423
Are we really anarchists? the definition being "no rulers"

Don't we want absolute rulership over our property?

>>135689423
>Those who favour monarchy can not be anarchists.
Why not?

>>135689367
I mean... I see nothing wrong with what you're saying. This falls in line with an an-cap society.

>>135689448
And we look around with one scandal every day (at least) and dream that "humans will learn and change to fit in our narrative". This whole thread is the same old "it will be different, just believe us" shit. Use cars if you don't want to fly, if you need meds and don't want, cut off you arm, if he annoys you pay the paid cop the fine to look away so you can kill him. Dystopia welcomes you with a pumpgun.

>>135689448
Remember Mad Cow Disease?

Most companies doesn't care about quality, they only care about sales,
ans if you don't know how sales work then you're a bit naive

>>135690094
???

>>135690097
>If you have even the tiniest understanding of economics, you're naive
Read Mises.

>>135689708
>>135689486
>they voluntarily choose to follow a king-pretender
The key is VOLUNTARY.

Power is defined as an ability to make people act some way against their will.

Mon-acrhy - archy means power. If people follow some leader voluntarily, he is not an mon_arch. Just a leader.

>>135689684
The etymological origin of the word anarchy is more about no forced rulers. People who had others voluntarily subjecting themselves to their rule were not "Archon" in ancient Greece, only the politicians were.

>>135690097
> certification companies cannot exist
Man, you were refuted several times, stop shilling this thread.

>(((libertarianism)))

Does it worth see the three Atlas Revelion movies, or those movies are crap?

>>135690333
They're pure crap, don't watch. I can't count how many string were left untied.

>>135690097
The toll station company went forcibly bankrupt because they overcharged for years. The new corp says they have nothing to do with the old one. Has a clause in their contract that you can't get them to court if the overcharge is less then 5% of your yearly payment. They may or may not give you your money back. Its time to build new roads, its the only "solution" to this legalized criminal bullshit.

>>135690250
Okay then, but you get our point.

>>135690264
Do you have a sauce for this? I've never seen an etymology that describes it any further than "no rulers" not implying whether voluntary or not. Does ruling imply force without consent?

>>135689684
>Don't we want absolute rulership over our property?
We want our OUR property, but we must respect another's property residing on ours. We can not rule people on our property, cause they still belong to themselves. Their cars on our road are still their property. We can only ask them to leave our property or expel, remove physically from it.

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>>135690208
Ok, I see you're naive
I'll give you example how sales work
There's few companies in UK that sell food to bars, restaurants, hotels, schools, hospitals, etc.
the bigger the customer the bigger the contract
so they make trade deals,
and if you don't know how to make trade deals read >the book
basically, i will sell you this and that for this cheap, but you will have to buy some coca-cola even if you don't want it, and you gonna have to buy something every so and so

in short trade deals are BRUTAL

but all you guys think of trading is consumer shopping, which is fucking ridiculous way of thinking, sorry

>>135690520
Well I will have to read the 1000 pages of the book then

>>135690562
So, you got scammed and screwed over. I don't think anyone here is claiming this wouldn't happen.

>>135690874
It's good if you're into trash movies.

>>135690280
>>>135690097 (You)
>> certification companies cannot exist
>Man, you were refuted several times, stop shilling this thread.

>bribery and corruption doesn't exist
wake up man, I want realistic discussion, not some delusional circlejerk

>>135691086
Who can bribe who? Competition really hates free money out of a scandal with a certification company that let shit pass as legit products.

>>135690853
How is this point even remotely related to your original point of >>135690097
I don't understand how explaining trade agreements between two companies is supposed to prove that they don't have quality or standards expected from both parties. You're making no sense.

>>135690965
No, we are claiming that in the "other reality" this is reality and expected. This is how people in third world countries feel every day, because there is no solution for this. Resources are limited, mechanics of things are obscure. At least we can get, sometimes, some of them into jail. In the other world, the would point to the "we will scam you" part of the contract. And that is it. Their freedom supersedes yours, they have more men, more guns, more lawyers, more willingness to be a shitty to get this cent more out of everybody. Its a negative society by its foundations.

>>135691282
Change the name. Claim its was the fault of lower people, who got the boot (eg. paid to not whistleblow about the racket). Rinse. Repeat. Not one banker of the biggest banks in the US went ever to jail for bank related frauds. They only got the guys in investment banking that where free wheeling and not protected by the clans.

>>135690600
Source for what?

Etymologically anarchy is no archon, and archons were the magistrates in ancient Greece city state.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/archon-ancient-Greek-magistrate

Notice how a potter with apprentice was not an archon, or the leader of the Peripatetic school, people with others under their command in a voluntary manner were not Archons.

>>135690562
That's a grat example of how flawed ancap is

how many roads you can have between cities? only limited number
what keeps one corporation from owning all of them? nothing because there's no regulation
price for travel can be fucking killing you, because there's always someone with more money than you,

wow, when i got into this thread i was almost ancap supporter, now i see what delusional shit it is, and I'm not even trolling

>>135691549
Nice, good to know that the issue was solved so correctly. Now, at least we are sure that no one will ever go to jail for the keynesian policies imposed on US citizens. Rinse. Repeat.
I'm not stating that anarcho-capitalism is flawless, I'm trying to argue that these problems are solved more easily without so much damage. Problems would be smaller, but they'd still exist.

>>135691351
If you're playing the victim role then you shouldn't be surprised when you get fucked over every step of the way and find yourself cucked or in a casket. They have options to work with what is available. It is their choice to do so or not.

>>135691655
Worldwide we see scams daily and still people claim that "corps are to make money to to scam people". Its practically inevitable. These humans have the tendencies to make the quick buck, and accept the blowback because there is usually none.

>>135692035
>Problems would be smaller,
I argue they'd be bigger

>>135691655
>be mega rich corporation
>buy all roads
>kill anyone that uses roads
>go bankrupt cause people do not use our monopoly of roads

>>135691655
This works agains the interest of the road owner because the region won't develop with this trasit limitation. With money flowing to other areas, they'd change their mind eventually.

>>135691571
Makes sense, they were statesmen.

>>135692421
> with every purchase, other's roads price goes up
> suddenly, more wealth than was ever produced my humanity is needed to buy the remaining roads

>>135692035
Its not illegal to see 4,99% interest and say "we keep it at 4,99%" too. And then buy off everybody who offers 5,99%". We have defacto cartels, defacto monopolies in every industry, the gov is weak. And now add their personal armies and the "solution" for many of there problems is a hefty body count, as described in bad scifi books.

>>135692421
No, you forget most people are poor, commercial transport between cities would keep the road company alive
you'd be a prisoner of your private city, and work slave-wage because can't move out

How much pozz load do you have to take in order to be a kikebertarian in the current year?

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>>135692748
>this coming from a Maoist

>>135692424
People don't move as often. A degeneration of places, cough Detroit, is not enough to offset the earnings of getting things to the shitter in the long end. I never see the realities ever playing out this way. Its always the bad option that happens.

>>135692604
Obviously, not as big as a government body count.

>>135692685
No city can have a single owner. Every city is private, belonging to each person that makes up the city. Also, >>135692424

>>135692929
Detroit is the bad timeline. US just don't have a strong enough economy now to get over it and solve this problem.

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>>135691086
I mean you accuse us of being a delusional circlejerk, but your entire argument today has been completely irrationa distrust of corporations. It's completely ignorant of the market and of the principles of human action.

>>135692685
>Commercial transport between cities would keep road company alive
>Somehow this makes you a slave wage
Just move. Sell everything to the highest bidder and gtfo. Don't like what their doing? Leave. You are not forced to stay anywhere.

>>135693165
No it isn't
My argument is based on REALITY and HUMAN NATURE

>>135693353
Then why are you so ignorant of how humans act in relation to goods and services?

>>135693302
The perfect human in your world is a guy with no ties, no friends, no place to call home, but his Harley, an dog and a pumpgun. As soon you have kids, school, a life, everything, things tend to get very complicated. Just shrugging off any sort of rip off and wrong doing can be a base of a "future society", the question is: is it better that your friend died because because the paid cop didn't show up? Shits happens, this is freedom!

>>135692929
You are comparing a shithole with a forced government to one without government or restrictions. This is not a good analogy and is far from an an-cap society.

>>135693302
>You are not forced to stay anywhere.
It's not so simple if you have a family
>>135693353

>>135693554
>Then why are you so ignorant of how humans act in relation to goods and services?
I'm not, but you seems to be, I gave you real life example of how brutal a trade deal can be,
you give me nothing, except for wishful thinking

>>135693554
"I paid for that seat in the airplane" said the guy who was refused service and lost his front teeth.

>>135693653
If you want to play the victim and say it's not your friends fault or your own for not protecting him then sure. If your community is that important to you then you can organize a mass migration to another town. Again this society is about freedom and what you can do with what that means.

>>135693747
The example is irrelevant. Sure, ok, buisness deals can be bad? What does this have to do with government, or anarchy, or the economy, etc? What point are you making?

>>135693951
Idiot should have read the contract. Or even better, should have got off the plane when asked, and received proper compensation. He had an incredibly shady background anyway - drug dealer, or something.

>>135693653
Also, I forgot to include those deaths that occur by government omission and nonsense muhfeelings laws.
The perfect human for a ancap society is one with strong family ties, so he can be a stable well-born individual and preserve his patrimony. A good mind for problem solving is also good, with which we all can improve our standard of living by using more effective production technologies.
Sure, you can deny this to your friend, he'll like your bitterness.

>>135660556
>OP pic
Who is the man between Hoppe and Mises?

>>135694085
>The example is irrelevant
No, the example is relevant, if you have no example you talk bs
let's keep it real

>>135693951
A cucked government society divided and unable to enforce a level of standard they all expect to have is just that. Worthless. Every single person sympathizes with the man yet they all do not march off the airplane and demand their money back.

I will ask this again

Does libertarians can work in a bank or in the financial sector?

>>135693702
I compare reality with a WEAK government when big money/and or clans are involved. You believe that Walmart will not instantly have their own Walmart cops you will protect them instead of you? If you want to be sure, you have to come with your own armed "protection" and thus this ends up in a clan based economy. I don't say this must end up being a shit hole. But I say that without them knowing that you can cause them lots of trouble, no balance of power will arise. Meaning, you have to be in a clan for survival. I don't consider this freedom.

>>135694226
People keep saying it's Friedman, but I've also heard it cited as Ralph Raico.

>>135694264
Can you explain to me how it's relevant then?

>>135693747
I explained the family matter with >>135694035
This is about freedom not about simple solutions and easy decisions.

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>identifying as a libertarians
>not favoring open boarders

>>135661761
Sounds alot like feudalism.
Except kings peace is denied, so feudal lords can fuck over the serfs even harder.

>>135694035
I have no problems with theoreticals, but I don't see the transition from "now" to a whole truckload of them. "If he doesn't want to sell you bread then leave town", "if he attacks you and your paid cop doesn't show up have secondary contracts and a sniper on hold" etc. I just don't see how this layers of layers of "freedom" to be ripped off (as today) is any more different than today.

>>135694332
Because I want to keep it real, not wishful thinking

trading in business is brutal, it's like a war, the winner is the one who can grab more and kill more
it's not about exchanging goods, it's about growing in power, killing your competitors, it's basically anarchy you love so much

and now tell me, do you own company, or you just work for one? because if you work for one, you are just larping about ancap,

>>135694324
>Describing nationality and countries
>Doesn't consider it freedom
We are in agreement then. I don't consider this freedom either. If you are not strong you will be picked apart by those who you let walk all over you. You're describing problems that happen in our society right now and saying it's going to happen in an an-cap society too. Of course it will nobody is saying otherwise.

>>135694730
I still don't see your fucking point. Buisness deals can be brutal, ok, but how is this related to anarcho-capitalism?

>>135694284
Anons please respond this
And this: can a financial advisor be a libertarian?

>>135694178
The left tried this. Ideal man thing. Goes out and gets the potatoes for the others. Here is another projected image that has nothing to do with reality. As self employed I have seen to many people who where on the right track not having the guts, the mind, the readyness to tackle what was thrown at them, and went for shortcuts for their own demise. If the shortcut is their sniper against mine, I don't see the "more freedom" part besides hoping not needing to deal with others outside the inner circle (which is unrealistic).

>>135694481
It seems like a life that's filled with fighting for you rights, not much time left for freedom you want.
you should really watch that movie >>135688615

>>135660556

neo libtards are cancer of the planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfxqZagHXbM

>>135694547
You're onto something

>>135694272
The stayed on the airplane because all of them (as said by the NY Times) had jobs they had to return to and this was the only flight left.

Everytime someone doesn't provide the services they sell you find a argumentative loophole why this is right, and then you turn around and say "these people want to make money and care if they are depicted badly". What is it? Do they care? Are they trustworthy to render services? You can't have it all, because its clearly not happening.

>>135694572
The biggest difference is no governing force that pushes agenda's, rules, regulations, and the ability to view their own form of reality and conforment. A lot of the capitalist portion already in society will exist in an an-cap society.

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>>135683854

>>135694923
No, Mr. Rat Memory, you said the perfect ancap citizen would be a guy with no friends and no homeland, only void properties he acquired living in a society that would not care for him when is exactly the situation the democratic government created in the West.

>>135694846
>If you are not strong you will be picked apart by those who you let walk all over you
You're describing 90% of society.

>>135694950
Are you trying to suggest we're not fighting for our rights right now and need the government to prove what they are right now? So many decisions are made without you by the government for you. How is this better than the ability to fight for yourself what you feel is your right?

>>135695235
I see that. And I see that in a "civil society" that doesn't want to run around with m16s and bullet proof vests will have some rules everybody agrees with. Until they don't. Today I can have the expectation that at least the basic services aren't working against me. If he is the only doctor at Christmas and my wife is dying, he asks for everything I have and then buys an House at the other end of the country.
Today I have reasonable protection against that. You have none and call it "his freedom to do that and yours to let your wife die to be right".

>>135695438
In the West there is a social net, even its a shitty one it works (Foods stamps for example).
In the other reality, if you can survive and the guy kicks your teeth out instead providing the food stamps program you have a contract with you simply die.

>>135695123
"They" are run by people all with varying different cultures and mindsets each different from the next. So, all of these questions can be answered as yes and no. You have the freedom to organize a protest however you want to accomplish your goal of telling the airport to fuck off. Freedom is not a loophole and has a very broad meaning. This is what we want.

>>135694494
>Falling for the forced integration jew

>>135695103
Well feudalism was decentralized.
The King was supposed to represent the commons to counterbalance local lords.
Those lords had their private courts, private armies, private roads, private castles, peivate slaves, etc.

It failed in France, when the local lords were overtaken by the king and it failed in England, when the local lords overtook the King.

For stable country you need a balance between commons and private property

>>135695838
Everything you just explained happens in modern societies right now though minus the guns and vests. For some reason you think we're living in a civil society right now.

>>135696120
At least its realistic that you would say "fuck airport", lose your job, maybe being market as someone "who speaks up at contract meetings" etc. until your "freedom" is marked in any database that you are too much to make deals with. then its build your own airplane or never fly again, never work again, all on your own (or your own clan). You are still believing the corps you are dealing with in that reality wouldn't work against you as they do today. Skip one payment, your freedom bites you in the ass.

But I respect that you are willing to go this to the end. At least its consistent, even its dead ugly from a society standpoint.

>>135695703
Well, maybe I'm trying to understand how having private infrastructure is better to having public one.

And since we speak about world without corruption, the government (which is basically made of appointed people of free society) is making sure the infrastructure is affordable and accessible to everyone living in this society, not just those who can pay for it.
I assume we all know what infrastructure includes.

>>135696113
Yes, good luck trying not to pay taxes. No, way better than that, why not pay taxes for another population to replace you? They can live and breed through welfare with your money! Yay!
Food it so cheap today that with deflation, which means high buying power, and inovation, surely the only society that would starve is an ancap society, because socialism can't do it.
Bring real arguments or stop.

>>135696408
Hm, I don't hear much about widespread murdering going on and scandals about cops taking bribes to look the other way as a business model, but I might be not current on these things. Maybe because now its "illegal" and later "just a stupid contract dispute and he had an 'accident' on the way of the paid court to report this".

>>135696634
You never really counter argument, you just switch places. I said "I die when the contract providing me food screws me" and you change over to tax paying. You have no clue how the other world works without a serious change how the people think and act. And as we see today, every simply transaction thingy is corrupt and criminal, we just don't see it or we don't care. There are no pure deals. Everybody has agenda.

You just hate "government" as an actor. You will be "ok" with the other clan with more guns taking your stuff because "thats freedom, that how I want to go out". Thats not a concept, thats mass suicide.

>>135696459
Dude, you're trying to argue things many of us have already covered including myself. I really don't feel like explaining it to you again. Read up above for your answer.

>>135696634
Mocking is not an argument
besides you're talking about corruption, not the system itself
Ancap is much more open to exploitation by crime gangs

>>135696685
Now you're thinking like an an-cap.

>>135697191
>I really don't feel like explaining it to you again.
Have a good night, it was great discussion.

>>135696459
Read up cato.org as second source. They have quite extensive material which is not so extreme.

Well, I guess

Republic 1 : 0 Ancap

I gtg now, see you guys next time

>>135697160
>You will be "ok" with the other clan with more guns taking your stuff because "thats freedom, that how I want to go out".
No, this is the government and that's exactly why they don't let me have guns.
The food contract? Who the fuck signs a contract to buy chinese food for an entire year? You don't want to eat the same thing everyday and many people know how to make food, you chose one or you make your own. I don't understand what's the problem here.
The police contract? They not only care about your security, but about your property rising value, because this will rise the amount they can charge for security. If my property is worth more, I can pay more. A company that provides this kind of service also cares about immigration, guns, nuclear weapons, but mostly, about their clients.

>>135697326
> exploitation by crime gangs
No, this is the government.

>>135697737
Thanks but I don't like think-tanks, it's like subscribing to Alex Jones channel

>>135674716
>everything I don't like is a spook

>>135696459
>how having private infrastructure is better to having public one.
Public infrastructure is subject to the Tragedy of the commons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

>>135697450
Constant fight (the preferred position) or flight is "a better society"? I have to read up on this, because even you need sleep and the best gunslinger gets too old to survive the next youngest one.

>>135694494
why would someone that wants rights over their property also want open borders? you fucking idiot.

>>135698124
>The tragedy of the commons is an economic theory of a situation within a shared-resource system where individual users acting independently according to their own self-interest behave contrary to the common good of all users by depleting or spoiling that resource through their collective action.
That's basically corruption, how is Ancap resistant to corruption? I really want to go to sleep now

>>135697917
> If my property is worth more, I can pay more.
Or the powerful clan pays what they would have made plus an uptick, and just kills you all to get your land. If your rule is "numbers only" then don't just remove the option that makes more money. Btw you do that the whole thread.

>>135660556
If you think it's moral to attack people for "thought-crimes+, you're a leftist.

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>>135698316
Goods are privatized meaning you don't get to enjoy them unless you consent of the owner. And people who own things privately and extract value from them don't like to see their property ruined by overusage.

>>135694494
how fucking retarded you really sound
>why wouldnt communist want to have open borders with Nazis
>muh idiot

>>135698316
It's better dealing with corruption than governments.

>>135698438
How could they kill an entire population of insured citizens? This would not only kill their reputation, but the productivity that mantains their spot in society. It's retarded to think this would happen.
Again, the only clan doing this is the governemnt.

>>135698457
Simplistic. Maybe you have the only limited resource everybody is depended on. Then you can let it go to the shitters and keep the uptick to the minimum. That's the reason why much of America looks like an back alley in the Middle East. Sometimes you have to take the shit (housing for example).

>>135698457
That's why we have a common law
if you destroy public property you are committing crime
same difference, only now you can e.g. enjoy national parks
in ancap they would be private

>>135698745
> This would not only kill their reputation, but the productivity that mantains their spot in society.

You putting to much weight on stuff nobody cares on. Reputation of Americas cable companies are below height of dog poop for 10 years now. Who cares? Seemingly nobody.
There are only a few competitors and they play the game very good to get "rid" of those who get too powerful. I would agree in theory, but the reality shows shit piling on shit.

>>135699169
Add guns with everyone as paranoiac as you. It's literally impossible to take over.
Reality is of shit being shit on shit of couse, democracy tends to "correct" mistakes with mistakes and it surely stinks.

>>135698870
Yes, but the people who enter would be far less. For example, if you're a tourist or an ilegal allien (or any other type of non-tax payer, as for the matter) and you step foot in a country, you are contributing to the problem if you litter and damage public property. Hoppe has a very good summation of this argument in Democracy (see the OP post). The Chapter is called, if I recall correctly, On Free Trade and Restricted Immigration.

>>135698806
Or you end welfare and enforce property rights and you don't need state-mandated public housing.

>>135699765
>Or you end welfare and enforce property rights >and you don't need state-mandated public >housing.

Is there free land for the free man to own or is this just another ploy for another kind of slavery?
Also, how do enforce property rights without a government? The corporation you have a contract with will cheat you when the attacker who wants your property has better "arguments" then you.

>>135699556
I lived in many places in Europe, and I had never any situation where I thought "oh, this is going to the shits really fast". Not one. Was in Florida, Texas, NY, every time we managed to get into some parts of towns where either cops, locals, security guards told us "tourists" to turn around and go the other way. Something is going to the shitters there, and since most of the counties and cities are broke anyway, it must be the HUMANS that cause it to become shit places. There is no governmental paper pusher running around and breaking windows and spraying walls.

>>135700597
>Is there free land for the free man to own or is this just another ploy for another kind of slavery?
As long as there are open frontiers, you can homestead it.

>but all the land is already taken
Seasteading. It's already happening

>Also, how do enforce property rights without a government? The corporation you have a contract with will cheat you when the attacker who wants your property has better "arguments" then you.
Good corporations don't drop their customers without good reasons. Also, don't assume faceless multinationals will take over all protection, insurance and housing markets. Don't forget local housing associations, neighbors' groups, covenants, charter cities with specific conditions of entering, etc.

>>135696459
It has to do with the use of force. When you use force to pay for infrastructure, you have an unfair profit advantage against peaceful agents. This creates a situation where you don't risk losing you abuse your "beneficent monopoly." It is a terrible idea to provide infrastructure below market prices.

>>135698316
Note that this doesn't break down because of corruption. You can have good people in the system, but the system is incapable of acting efficiently long term.
This is because state use of force bypasses price signals. This is important enough to repeat. States can ignore price signals. Different parts of the economy have to talk to each other if you want it to be efficient. Prices are how different sectors talk to each other.
Not only do you ignore those signals, but you send out false signals that make the economy less efficient. It's hardly efficient for millions of people to commute for an hour each day, but the "good" of providing cheap roads creates this effect. It would be more efficient to charge market prices, and if you're doing this anyway, you don't need a state.

On the topic of the tragedy of the commons, this has NOTHING to do with corruption and everything to do with rational individual behavior; and you're retarded for interpreting this otherwise. If you are drinking out of your own glass of water, then you can choose to drink it all at once or you can choose to drink a little at a time, saving it for later, or even to give some away as charity. But in situations where you drink out of a common glass, decision theory plainly states that the rational choice for each actor is to drink as much as possible as quickly as possible. Public infrastructure creates a problem where goods are rivalrous and non-excludable. The way you make things excludable is by privatization.

So, learned a little, little too much evasion and "experimenting" the arguments, but I have to get to my morning shift in two hours. Keep it up, it was interesting!

>>135700914
Then governments cannot fail even though they are made up by humans? You speak in a way so stupid that makes your argument stupid by virtue of typing it. Can't the government fail? Can't you accept the fact that all economic crisis and severe starvation issues were all caused by govenments? Is this moral? Is theft moral if the government does it?

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>>135703023
based Lew

btw I think we should take Friedman off our OP pic, since Mises (or Rothbard) called him one of the greatest threats to liberty because of his support of (((central bank))) monetary policies.

>>135660556
How many of the pepe's in that pic are hook nosed jews you fucking faggot?

>>135703353
About tree fiddy

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200 years of Libertarian history destroyed in a single image.

>>135703231
yeah I'd do that.

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>>135703231
gotcha

>>135706125
Instantly improved. Now I'd take Rand out as well, but this is enough for one day. Thanks

>>135706125
>>135706277
Can you name all of them pls? I don't recognize some

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>>135706277
I did make a quick strict orthodoxy one.

>>135706502
Rothbard, Ayn rand, Ron Paul, Hoppe, Bastiat, mises, and hayek

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>>135706502
Left to Right
Rothbard
Rand
Ron Paul
Hoppe
Bastait
Mises
Hayek

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>>135706599
Thank you! Amazing trilogy.

>>135706502
left to right: Rothbard, Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, Hoppe, Bastiat, Mises, Hayek

>>135706754
>>135706758
ha, nerds. I beat you.

>>135706797
That you did. Very fast responses nonetheless

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>>135706599
I'd love one of our paleo crew

>>135706797
good one

>>135706928
seconding this. "Paleo and mean"

>>135706743
>>135706754
>>135706758
Thanks, I missed Paul.

>>135706928
you got it.

>>135706928
>>135707029
>>135707201
Do we have a Llewellyn pepe?

>>135707284
nah, I gotta make it.

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>>135706928
These glasses are so AESTHETIC !

>>135707617
when you post a pic at the exact same time as another anon they sometimes switch. Another anon on this site now posted a Lew Rockwell pic KEK

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>>135707791
nice.