the Jew won

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since they private the video right after lol here you guys go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIAyudtNicY

>>135590522
Ben lost because he let Cenk highlight the hypocrisy of the neocon conservatives and their retarded foreign policy.

>>135590633
>linking The Young Turks youtube
Hooktubed that for you so they don't get views

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=SIAyudtNicY

>>135590646
true he should of never defended the neo cons

>>135590522
Won what?

That wasn't even moderated they just talked back and forth between 4 to 6 issues at a time, hard enough to follow which point was being argued.

And Cenk or w/e with his yelling was just bizzare, looked like he was looking for sound bites. Loved the part when he insulted the audience and said at least 3 times that people should Google his fucking debate points instead of him being able to describe them, the guy is a fuckin whackjob.

>>135590646
did you see that when Ben was criticizing and agreeing with Cenk, or when Cenk was trying to appeal to the audience instead presenting his actual knowledge on what he was talking about.

>>135590646
*criticizing Republicans

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>>135590522
Who fuckin cares. Ben Shapiro is a cohenservative.

I'm left-leaning, but Shapiro was the clear winner. I was confident that would be the case going into it. Only main issues I agreed with Cenk on were universal healthcare and money in politics. As usual, Cenk let his emotions get to him, calling out the audience, pandering to identity politics BS, and misrepresenting Ben's points.

>>135590522
Shapiro winning against Cenk in a political debate is like a greyhound winning against a cup of mustard in a race. Eh, sure, celebrate it if you want but the debate shouldn't have happened in the first place. Cenk is an idiot, and how anyone still takes him seriously is beyond me.

A Shapiro vs. Harris debate would be much better.

>>135591029
Chunk is a retard but he got to face the typical establishment (((conservative))), Ben tried to claim a libertarian stance and then defend shit like the Iraq war.

>>135590646
really? ok let s go
H.W BUSH BOMBS IRAQ
BUSH BOMBS YUGOSLAVIA
BUSH JUNIOR INVADES AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ
OBAMA DOESN T BOMB ANYONE BUT very close to invade syria ( only russia prevented it )

tell me again who controlls the united states , cause for sure the president doesn t

>>135591370
>money in politics

This was bizzare. Ben had a great point about TYT "kissings Biernies ass" all election. Which one matters more? Money or the fact that TYT spent hours agreeing with Bernie? Obviously the fact that the gave him so much coverage is better for the campaign than the money.

Coverage of a politician, to me, is the same as giving them a 10million dollar cheque as exposure wins presidencies not always the money spent. So Cenk was wrong, if Cenk disagrees with million of money going to politicians then he should also disagree with shilling.

>>135590686
Thank you for your service

>>135591447
he defends the iraq war cause he is a fucking kike , and it s in the greatest ally intrest to destroy iraq , syria and lebanon

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>>135590522
Ben is 5'4" and Cenk is only 5'7", both are losers but in this case Cenk won by 3"

>>135591734
sorry not bush i meant to say CLINTON

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>>135590522
Shapiro thoroughly convinced me how idiotic libertarianism is. Cenk was actually more convincing.

>>135592141
Dumb socialist. Kill yourself kike lover.

>>135590522
He's the best debater around.

>>135590646

>one idea you disagree with
>"OMG KIKE BTFO BY ROACH"

Ben humiliated Cenk.

>>135591447
I never heard him defend the Iraq war, and besides, military spending takes up over 1/2 the budget (backbone of the economy)... so what the military industrial complex does is an easy out for both sides.

>Chunk is a retard but he got to face the typical establishment (((conservative)))
Ben is hyper capitalistic, seeing that the Republicans can't even seem to knock down Obama Care and they put Trump in office (who Shapiro was firmly against) it's a bit of mischaracterization to call him "typical".

Besides, they literally stayed in Ben's weakest arena but his most ideological arena.

>>135592215
>we should tolerate crackheads because muh individual liberty
Our little experiment in liberty failed. Civilization is collapsing, morality is crumbling, integrity is absent, character is anachronistic. Mankind needs strong leadership. If left to their own devices they will eat each other alive.

Me and my based black friend (who owns a MAGA hat) are working on a Thug Life video as we speak! Praise kek!

>>135592141
>Libertarianism
>Shapiro
He's just a neocon

>>135592426
Because that's what democrats and leftists have done for a decade and been successful on until Trump ended that narrative, paint the right wing as a party of hypocrites instead of arguing on the platform and strong small government ideas. Chunk didn't need to refute the points made by Shapiro because he could just point to the hypocrisy of leading big government wars of aggression that Shapiro supports.

>>135592451
>I never heard him defend the Iraq war
Shapiro has always been a strong interventionist neocon and when chunk called him out on supporting big government wars he only pointed out how the war was cheaper than some government welfare programs.
>the backbone of our economy is big government
See right there you show why chunk won, because you're saying that the economy needs taxation and government spending to flourish.

>>135592914
There's barely much difference between the two, they both share similar economic and social policies.

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>>135590522
Always bet on the jew when facing a roach.

He destroyed Cenk.

I just dont like the fact how he made a false equivalency towards white nationalism and leftist identity politics.

White nationalism is necessary and the most logical conclusion to saving western civilization.

>>135593018
>Shapiro has always been a strong interventionist neocon and when chunk called him out on supporting big government wars he only pointed out how the war was cheaper than some government welfare programs.
But you understand that's the truth...


>See right there you show why chunk won, because you're saying that the economy needs taxation and government spending to flourish.
I didn't say that I'm merely stating the fact. I don't think you can equate cyclical spending of the military to things the "left" preaches that tax dollars go to meaning, military research/spending usually results in some private sector contracts and general economic movement as opposed to the "rationing" of healthcare and drop in quality in quality that would result in a public health care situation.

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>>135593492
If anyone is wondering this girls name is Courtney Tailor

>>135593614
You're defending a government controlled economy through subsidizing arms manufacturers. Tax and war drives that type of economy and the government picks the winners and losers in the business community with incredible waste and inefficiency via corruption and incompetence, that type of economy is no different than that of a government run healthcare system where the government decides the winners and losers in the healthcare industry. They're both big government run economic policies where there's no free market and war and taxation is encouraged.

You think other aircraft manufacturers are in a a healthy market when companies like Boeing and their trillion dollar government subsidies mean they don't have to worry about competing on a level playing field?

>>135590522
Ben Shapiro has been on fire the last couple of months. He's really impressing me. Shapiro 2024 would be interesting.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MX0VCOJNeo

>>135594220
>You're defending a government controlled economy through subsidizing arms manufacturers.
No I'm saying they have their purpose, the fact that America is/needs to be the world police is something that is development through happenstance as opposed to the government agreeing with the rest of the world that we'd be the police. This being the fact, why not take advantage of it the best way we can.

>Tax and war drives that type of economy and the government picks the winners and losers in the business community
Contracts are literally bidded on... just like in the private sector.

>incredible waste and inefficiency via corruption and incompetence
agreed, these companies are a fucking joke when it comes to efficiency and bureaucratic bullshit.

>that type of economy is no different than that of a government run healthcare system where the government decides the winners and losers in the healthcare industry.
it's completely different, the government has a responsibility to main a defense, not to your/our health care.

>companies like Boeing and their trillion dollar government subsidies mean they don't have to worry about competing on a level playing field?
What companies do you think have the edge leading capabilities to make these products, AND the government trust them enough not to sell secrets, spy, etc. Only a handful in the world, BAE is British and is one of the nation's largest Military contractors.

>>135590522
>defended the illegal Irak war
>justified legalized bribes from banks and corporations to politicians


he lost, not because he's bad, but because his ideas are bad.

>>135595072
>This being the fact, why not take advantage of it the best way we can.

Because it's a form of welfare and it costs money you retard. Why not pay for another form of welfare with that money?

>>135595303
Or why not just privatize the military?

Of course Ben won, Chunk's a fucking retard.

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Don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again

>>135595303
>>135595389
By the way that was a sarcastic response. If you can't understand that the gibme program insensitive and demotivate populations then you need to hang around /pol/ a little longer.

>Why not pay for another form of welfare with that money?
Like what?

Honestly I don't want Americans to have universal health care and I want the US government to get rid of Medicare.

Universal health care works in keeping people alive, I don't think universal health care should be done in America.

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>>135590522
Cenk won senpai, but Cenk's debate skills are absolute shit and he's not as fast as Shapiro. Half the time he wasnt even listening to what was said and just tried to get his talking points in. Also he's generally cringy, tried and failed to start a USA chant and get the crowd going over MUH RIGHTS, GOVERNMENT OUTTA MUH UTERUS, etc

That said Shapiro sounded like a full blown no touch snek libertarian, he was ultimately wrong about most of his points and if cenk had just listened he could have easily refuted them. Also got cornered into defending banks, corporations and donor money in government.

>>135590522
Of course Ben won. He's a fucking kike. Kikes are great at debates. It also doesn't help that they pit him against some fat fuck from Youtube who's most likely used to getting his info from wikipedia while he's on the air.

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The Jew always wins in the end. Stay mad, goyim.

>>135596471
Were we watching the same debate, Shapiro wiped the floor with Cenk.

>Also got cornered into defending banks, corporations and donor money in government.
and they showing the hypocrisy of Cenk and TYT.

>tried and failed to start a USA chant
why completely railing against American ideals...

Cenk is a fucking joke, a second grader with a month to prepare could have beat him.

>>135596966
He's taking the piss with you. The Hebrew Hammer/Shoah Slammer was a clear victor in this battle.

>>135590522
Chank Hooker lost his ass.
Insulting elitist piece of turkroach shit. He needs to go powder his vagina now.

>>135590886
This. Ive disarmed a lot of lefties by trashing the GOP too. They never expect it.

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cenk lost because he was trying to please the audience

>>135597271
Oh.

>He's taking the piss with you
You limey Brit, nation flag post faggot, it scares the MSM when they come around and see a bunch of different people from different countries agreeing.

>>135590686
>>135590633
Bo it's okay to give them a view. Just leave a comment saying Cenk got clobbered.

>>135596679
Pretty much this. The alt white are just as bad as the BLM blacks.

He wiped the floor because that young cuck is still busy licking Hillary's boots.

Liberals are retarded.

They are also traitors and should be shot.

>>135591370
You know Cuba has universal healthcare, why not move to Cuba?

>>135591446
Scott BTFO Sam. Sam is dumber then cenk, people just like Sam because he says I don't believe in god thus this makes me smart.

>>135592451
Military spending does not take half off our budget. Even political says that is false.

As of now military spending takes up 15 percent, and yea I would love to decrease that.

>>135593492
White nationalist is a joke. Why did Germany lose WW2 then?

>>135595909
Universal healthcare is a joke. Now that Germany is having immigration problem like we have had since the 80s you will see why it doesn't work.

>>135598068
>Scott BTFO Sam
Really? Didn't get that vibe really. Both did well, but I wouldn't say it that clear. I don't know.

>>135598413
Because Winston Churchill sold his soul to the Jews.

I don't know.
80% of you guys believed Trump won the debates (somehow). I'm taking everything with a pound of salt.

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>>135593492
This

>>135598251
That's just completely wrong.

>Military budget of the United States. ... The budget funds 4 branches of the U.S. military: the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force. In FY 2015, Pentagon and related spending totaled $598 billion, about 54% of the fiscal year 2015 U.S. discretionary budget.

>google

>>135598577
Sam lost 45 min in. He contradicted himself so much and displayed his stupidity.

The guy doesn't this the NSA doesn't spy on you and he trust intelligence. Yea last time we trusted intelligence we ended up on Iraq.

>>135598413
Because hitler wanted to pick a fight with the vodka horde even though his generals warned him not to

>>135598631
But whites should have been smarter? What happened to muh whites all overall better?

>>135598251

The majority of government spending 72% is on entitlements. Of the remaining bloc of spending known as discretionary spending, the majority of that is military spending.

>>135598669
Trump lost all the debates, he had great one liners though.

(((Ben "Big Banks Rock" Shapiro))) got ripped a new one by a fat turk roach.

Let this be a lesson for all you cucks who allow kikes (((Civic Nationalist))) like (((Ben "Fuck White America" Shapiro))) to speak on your behalf. With Jews you lose.

-=- Daily Reminder -=-
(((Ben Shapiro))) supports the end of whites in America.

"And by the way, I don't give a good damn about the so-called "browning of America." Color doesn't matter. Ideology does."

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/875730927002963968

>>135598670
A slow Bogdanov transition?

>>135598773
Google the total spending, your data is wrong.

You are looking at Discretionary spending.

>>135598832
Exactly, not the smart.

>>135598890
I know, that is what I said.

>>135590522
probably someone already cracked it but :
OF COOOOUSE!

>>135597535
The big difference between this debate and Cenk's previous debates is the demographics of the audience. Normally the entire audience is Cenk's TYT audience, this time you could tell the booing really flustered him.

>>135597535
if you defeat your enemies you lose?

>>135591865
Hey so I'm 5'9" and saw this and laughed like, yeah well at least I'm not female. Can someone explain to me the psychology behind how leftists are so easily offended by similarly innocuous things?

>>135599392
When you attack the audience or stutter you lose. You really did hit the nail on the head.

>>135599453
Because they have nothing else to fall back on.

I mean 90 percent of antifa lives with their parents. If you are 5"11 with a good job and have other things going for you then you will be happy.

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>>135590646
>this retarded foreign policy is all the neocon conservatives
>lots of democrats supported the Iraq war including Hillary and Obama
>oops

Plus what about Afghanistan? Would you have never gone there either, after 9/11? Would you never retaliate or remove kebab using our glorious military because you're a giant faggot and would instead use that money to give everybody shit medicare that they have to wait 6 months to use and send all kinds of stupid niggers to the indoctrination centers formerly known as colleges so they can get a worthless degree they didn't earn on taxpayer money?

The Iraq war is a complicated issue, and we did a lot of good there and Hussein was a fucking psycho murderer. You fucking morons love to generalize it into one sentence that you think you can use to whip people up and insta-win a debate without anyone questioning you, since whenever you're questioned, your fucking bullshit falls apart.

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O-o...

O-ok...ok

H-hey

>>135591833
Oh don't forget Iran. The archenemy

Ben is a jewish zog neocon but he still won. He brought down the hammer on silly old communist Cenk. Fucking TYT needs to be shut down

>>135591370
AHAHHAHAHAHA

Get the fuck off this board lefty, you are not welcome

>>135591833
>>135591447

I'll defend the Iraq war, especially against you idiots, because you never have any real arguments against it except for the CNN cock you've been trained to love guzzling for a decade.

>>135590522
lefty roach vs backstabbing kike
we didn't have a dog in that race, so who cares.

>>135599805
He poo'd in his loo

>>135599896
Iran makes me laugh because the democrats went 2 steps back with Iran with those sanctions they just did. Omfg how dumb is the American congress.

>>135599997
Iraq was a CIA lie. I agree with ben on most issues but his American should be the police of the world and drug war stance.

>>135595271
That's not how you score a debate, dumbass.

>>135600048
He is a Turk, which is worse.

>>135590686
god bless you

>>135590522
88% believe Ben won by politicon poll
https://twitter.com/Politicon/status/891826485085978624

>>135600218
*waves crusty hand*
The genocide never happened
*Coughs blood*

>Crawls back into dark corner

>>135600256
Of course Ben won, cenk attacked the audience ha.

I love how the left projects so much. For example he says trump has a bad tempoment but he is way worse.

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>>135591865
>short guys should be hanged
Fucking brutal. I'm 5'11'' legit (barefoot, 180cm/71in armspan) and seems like half the people shorter than me claim to be 6ft tall. Slits have made "height inflation" a legit male psychosis.

>>135593018
Big government doesnt only mean reduces expenditures. It means focusing the government on legitimate areas and not letting it infiltrate every aspect of a citizens life. National defense is one of those legitimate areas.

>>135600987
I am 6"3 and happy as fuck, so I don't understand the shot person problem.

I would hate to be taller than 6"7.

>>135600450
Remember how he was saying Ana won because the audience Cheered so much

>>135600987
women have absolutely no spatial awareness so its very easy to lie to them about your height as long as they're a few inches shorter than you

>>135601372
Nope, I didnt care about that debate. But that is funny ha.

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>>135590686
You're the hero /pol/ needs

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>>135601157
It's funny, I grew up Mormon so height was one of the few "safe" traits that females could sexualize. It'd be "improper" for Mormon girls to openly lust of dick or ass.

6'3" is a liberating height in that you could father a boy with a 5'0" womanlet and still have 'normal sized' sons even if 5'9ish. At 5'11, pretty much all women under 5'6" would be a genetic dead end for me.

>>135601782
Honestly one of my fears is that my son would be a beta small cuck.

>>135591447
Nobody even argued about the iraq war at the debate, Cenk just brought it up as a non-sequitur

>>135602220
Ben takes up a different argument pertaining to the Iraq war. I don't agree with it personally but it's interesting.

>>135591734
>Obama doesn't bomb anyone...
>what do the drones drop anon?

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>>135590522
savages

>>135590633
>arrow pointing to Ben says /pol/
>arrow pointing to Cenk says "con"
really made me think

>>135593861
Holy shit Ive never seen so much lip filler

Ben is a monster debater. He talks fast and with confidence, throws in a hint of personal attack.

Cenk gets emotional and queue fake laugh + "alright, okay guys this is how it really is....you can look it up, YOU CAN SEARCH THAT ON GOOGLE" Which seems to be a common closing statement from all TYT personalities.

>>135602518
Freedom

>>135590686
how long has this lad been doing this for
and is it one person?

>>135590522
Based jew man

>>135604803
Legend has it, he is the original troll escaped from his mountain prison. He is always lurking, making sure merchants don't get their Jewglebux.

>>135604917
makes sense

>>135604703
what was clever is cenk would make claims like "you can search that on google" about statistics which ben did not disagree with. But making a statement like that makes it sound credible and gives cenk some authority. Anyways obviously ben won but it wasn't a blow out like I expected, maybe 75-25 ben to cenk. Ben did make a reductio ad absurdum argument at some point where he said since cenk says higher taxes were correlated with larger growth in the past (an absurdum claim but speciously backed up by the gdp growth and high taxes in the 50s and 60s) then why not tax at 100%? It's a fallacious argument but I understand that the average retard watching this probably buys it, and the real reason for such prosperity was obviously america rebuilding the rest of the world coupled with traditional american culture (which started to be dismantled in the 60s but was still strong)

>>135605215
>It's a fallacious argument but I understand that the average retard watching this probably buys it, and the real reason for such prosperity was obviously america rebuilding the rest of the world coupled with traditional american culture (which started to be dismantled in the 60s but was still strong)


Which Ben later identified. I find their "You can search that on Google" line to be childish, and I doubt it adds and announce of authority, you can search for evidence that confirms your biases on Google about anything. It's a meaningless statement.

I only noticed his reliance on it when I saw the Ann vs Ana debate in which TYT again uses the same cliche. It's boring, and intellectually lazy. If you have evidence to back up your claim PRESENT IT.

>>135590522
(((He))) actually argued for trickle down economics. The absolute mad man. It's been debunked for decades. And if the cucked audience didn't wanna get called uneducated they shouldn't have laughed and jeered at the concept of velocity of money.
All this debate did was make the boneheaded Turkroach look far less retarded than he actually is. I have to admit, I thought Ben might destroy him but he wasn't his usual autist self, spouting countless obscure statistics to trip up his opponent. Was (((he))) given a penny to throw the debate?

>>135590522
big pipes small pipes, at the end of the day, does it really make a difference?

>>135605587

reading this was very confusing because you unironically used the term trickle down economics. Possible you are a clever troll, no shill would be this blatantly retarded though

>>135605846

sometimes i want bigger pipes sometimes i want smaller pipes so who knows! But seriously the answer is i want bigger pipes. Much bigger.

We'll gas you last

>>135605587

It's like you don't understand private investment.

>sees flag

You don't understand private investment.

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>>135605587
>leftist economic policies wor-

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>>135605940
nobody wants bigger pipes!! just google it, it's there!!

>>135606122
>leftist
>21st century America
I like you guy, you're funny.

>>135605877
>Stop calling things things that I don't want you to call them

>>135606100
>Muh trickle down

>>135606221
Yeah, all the places that are going broke (or are in fact currently so) haven't been run by lefties for 40+ years. Fuck off anarchocucklist.

>>135605587

My understanding of TDE is that the only way to amass money is to share wealth, which is true in the realm of lawful action.

Someone sells you a rocket-powered Fauxgina dilator? You both benefit from the transaction, he with cash and you with increased utility.

Does money itself trickle down? sure, in the form of wages and taxes; but the important part is that wealth is distributed as capital is consolidated.

While the monetary distribution becomes less equal, total average wealth increases.

So yeah, I think TDE works fine.

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>>135590522
>implying they aren't both Jews

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>>135596679
>win
some stories have new chapters

>>135591765
That's why Trump did so well in the primaries, news sources gave him coverage for the ratings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-mammoth-advantage-in-free-media.html

2 billion dollars up to March 15.

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>>135590522
A conservative Jew and a liberal Turk debate each other. Who does /pol/ side with?

>>135599027
A minor bog if you will

>>135590633

>Cenk: If you are uneducated...

Lost. You can't just insult the audience in front of them and expect to win. He really is a water buffalo.

Honestly, Cenk won and I came in there certain Ben was going to destroy him. Ben is good at embarrassing people on SJW topics, but clearly is not at the same level when it comes to economics debate. Don't be fooled by his (very impressive) ability to talk eloquently lightning fast. This wasn't a good performance for him. He kept asking Cenk questions, trying to trip him up, and Cenk would fire right back. Also, Ben had some really bad arguments for his libertarian shilling.

I have to give Cenk props for doing his homework and not ragequitting like I've seen before. Aside from his attacking the crowd he was clearly on top of his game.

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>>135606625
>neither one, they went nowhere.

>>135601015
So letting the government infiltrate every aspect of a citizens life in another country, in the name of "national defense" is A-OK?

>>135599392
I think the booing was a lot louder for them than it was for us watching. Ben shut up a few times when the audience cheered / booed too as if his voice wouldn't be heard. Cenk attacking the audience was still dumb though.

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>>135590522
I thought it was pretty even but it should have gone on longer, I felt like there were just getting going at the end. It wasn't long enough to see a clear winner.

2bh I would rather see them in a room having a discussion with no audience than a watching them try to out rhetoric each other.

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>>135606625
We wait back stage and then gas them once its over.

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>>135590522
nobody wins, we all lose

>>135591370
left leaning racist typical

I think Ben lost. If you are going into a debate that involves healthcare, you should know that US is like 30th in the world. He came unprepared.

>>135606948
I came here to post this. (((He))) lost me when he defended corporations messing with politicians

>>135606948

>I'm a communist therefore Ben lost

Shut up, leftypol. Cenk's healthcare arguments were awful, and he had a complete misunderstanding of the 2007 crisis.

He also doesn't understand Citizen's United.

>>135607547
>cucks unironically believe this "30th in the world meme" based on a bunch of arbitrary points contrived to make socialized medicine look good

I'm crying from laughing at you so hard anon. You don't really believe that do you? lmfao please say yes

>>135607547
that's a gay statistic and you know it, ben's retort to that was fine, you have to classify what ~30th~ means.

>>135593861
Pretty daring to try and eat that with a white shirt.

>>135607547

You realize the U.S. has the best healthcare available, right?

The WHO statistics take into account availability and coverage.

Who the fuck cares about those two things? If you're not retardedly poor, your care in this country is the best on the planet.

>>135607728
>it's all arbitrary and shit rules when I'm not a winner
Come on now, you can do better

>>135607936
Not really, It's daring if you're a clumsy fatass

>>135608063
>number of people that fly to the USA for medical treatment: hundreds of thousands per year
>number of people flying to your shithole full of detestable maggot people: ?????

>>135590633
>those TYT comments
>lol Ben didn't have substance, he just talks really fast
Did these fuckers even watch the debate?

>>135608218
Nobody's disputing the quality of your healthcare you retard, the affordability and other factors are also taken into account.

>>135591734
>OBAMA DOESN T BOMB ANYONE BUT

What about fucking Libya? you of all people should know that

>>135608420
Exactly, it's literally "muh poorfags: The Metric." But that's not how Chunky Yogurt framed it, rather, he implied we had poor quality healthcare compared to the rest of the 1st world. Which I see we both agree is nonsense.

And even in your framing the claim is bullshit. Poor people don't die here because they're poor. Poor people receive great healthcare, if they have the agency to use the system to their maximum benefit. It's a contrived metric and complete nonsense. We are dragged down because stupid niggers don't understand how to properly navigate the system, or more likely, don't want to. Niggers will wait until they're literally dying to go to the hospital. I've watched it with my own eyes for over 2 decades.

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>>135590522
Is Youtube hiding comments? I've been updating the video, and the comments supporting Shapiro and ripping on Cenk (with hundreds of likes) are no longer visible and only the comments supporting Cenk are at the top (with a few dozen likes).

Sometimes the video actually decreases in views, I just updated and the amount of views went down by 30, what the heck is happening?

did you guys even watch the same debate? wtf

Shapiro should just retire he got btfo so hard

>>135608928
could be some fuckery going on, but youtube also has to cache shit like that to be able to serve hundreds of millions of clients every day or whatever.
it's not as simple as getting numbers/comments out of a database, because the database is astronomically large, they have to do a lot of caching fuckery.

>>135591734
>OBAMA DOESN T BOMB ANYONE
You must be retarded, or a nigger, or a retarded nigger. Either way, I hope the muslim bull turns your son out for you being so stupid.

>>135601782
tell some stories about the wholesome mormon girls who you corrupted please, only true stories.

>>135606437
>run by lefties for 40+ years
Social democracies? That's *somewhat* left, I guess. But social democracies are doing better than the US in almost every living standard metric across the board.

>>135606439
Sorry cuck, this shit has been BTFO since before Reagan starting wearing adult diapers. Tax cuts on the wealthy has routinely stagnated economies as it decreases the velocity of money.

Cenk relied on democratic talking points to get him through the debate.

>Muh roads is socialism
>Muh Money is speech
>Muh Medicare for all
>Muh Southern strategy

Ben Shapiro actually stated well defined economic and moral arguments and didn't gish gallop a shitton of times and try to play to an audience that he just insulted.

He's a stupid zionist kike.

SMASH ZIONISM!

Cenk basically resorted to campaign slogans and circular answers or giving an answer then rambling to run the clock towards the end of the debate.

I think OP is a Benjiposting faggot.
Why the fuck would White Knight for Benji? This isn't your favourite sub breddit cunt. Nobody here gives a fuck about your Jew midget porn.
Eat shit and die you Kekistani capeshit fuckwit.
At least Lauren has tits. Benji has nothing except a propensity to kill Christ and drink goy blood.

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>>135609832
Are you autistic? The picture I posted, which shows fiscal solvency of states, is what I was referring to. Not "social democracies." And all those social democracies are crashing and burning currently. Sweden, the former darling "social democracy" is on track to become a 3rd world country. Yeah, they're doing swimmingly.

I'm just glad some of /pol/ is coming back to Ben. I really enjoy his show and he just seems like a genuinely nice guy that believes in hard work. I will say though that I'm sure if you're an avid Trump supporter that he could be grating.

>>135590646
ya because healthcare is just such a way easier topic that is easy to pay for and won't not only put us out of debt but will create incentives for people to become doctors and such

>>135604772
Outstanding.

>>135610257
ben doesn't fall for the "4d chess"trump stuff, but he is fair with trump when trump does something good.
I like to believe the 4d because it makes everything a lot more interesting for me, even if it's not very practical.

>>135590633
the cheering pisses me off

it's a debate, not a concert

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>>135610257
He appeals more to the libertarian side of /pol/ than the NatSoc side, but I'm not sure how much of that is from his arguments or his Jewishness.

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>>135610257
That's not why he's grating. He's grating because, despite his rhetorical gift for BTFOing brainlet SJWs, he's a typical kike. He puts Jews and Israel first. Ethnostate for kikes, but not for whites. His typical Jewish duplicity and hypocrisy is what pisses people off.

>>135591833
Okay. But we have a similar interest to destroy those filthy middle-eastern inbreds so why not use Ben Shapiro?

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>>135610749
I have to admit that he does have a gift for steamrolling college students and other identity politics cucks but he faces a mediocre challenge like Chunk and he looked embarrassingly inept. I'm genuinely surprised coz I assumed Cenk was going to struggle.

Frankly found it boring and gave up after about 20 minutes. We Ausfags have ok universal healthcare.

Pros and cons to private and public. Don't think that any country has an ideal system.

>>135600987
she's wearing high heels

>>135607547
nice bait

>>135604803
it's a bot u flamin galah

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>>135610917
Nah, they both seemed out of their depth for the topics discussed. Chunk isn't the brightest guy, but he doesn't get steam rolled by Benji's fast talk shtick. He did get a bit flustered from time to time and started stuttering but he held his own better than I expected. Chunk also can't take people disagreeing with him because he lives in an echo-chamber on TYT. Neither of them were very compelling.

>>135605215
This is because in the 50's and 60's the economy went from complete shit from the war (many of the working men were fighting overseas) to all of a sudden we have these working men again which boosted the economy; so for Cenk to use that has an argument that 70-91% of taxes is good is idiotic

> And thats an economic fact!

>>135607547
Why do people come to use for medical procedures? like can you even name one country that's better? (excluding fags who rely on welfare checks for life)

Are people just baiting or something? Shapiro without a doubt wrecked this roach.

He rarely responded to any of Shapiro's arguments and just read off his talking points.

>>135591370
The only interesting point Cenk made about money in politics is when he argued that property is not speech. The easiest rebuttal is that campaign signs in your front lawn are both.

>>135590686
my snow nigga.

>>135590522
>Ben literally raped Cenk

I heard Cenk had to be rushed to the hospital after the debate was over. He had a ruptured anus.

>>135611614
I was curious about this, can you explain?

>>135611240
Pretty much agreed. Didn't live up to the hype.

>>135605215
It's not a fallacious argument from Ben's point of view because the claim Cenk made was that the higher tax rate (91% or whatever) is what spurred economic growth. It's not Ben's job to correct Cenk's argument but to argue against the assertion or dismiss it entirely. If Cenk was deadset on "91% tax directly resulted in extremely positive economic stimulus" then it's fair for Ben to ask why that same tax strategy wouldn't result in the same thing happening today, and then for Cenk to either agree or disagree with that point and explain why.

You yourself are making a argumentum ad logicam argument, or a fallacy fallacy.

>>135611661

Cenk couldn't even put an argument up and feel good about himself before Shapiro took it apart and shoved it down his throat.

>>135611240
Cenk clearly knew what he was talking about. Which makes sense, since he practiced finance law.

Its a battle between a roach and a rat.

>>135611661
The poor guy didn't make it. He thought because of his youtube subscribers would justify and back up everything he said

Why did Cenk's supporters sound like they were mostly female when they cheered but Ben's didn't? Do bitches prefer liberals?

>>135612094
Ya but I'd still take the rat ovrer the roach any day because he's closer to white and he's arguments could be backed up without just "googling it"

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The jew always wins.

>>135612134
I would say so because women only look up to men and are kinda inferior and use emotion as their guidance. Not all but the most part

>>135611917
Thing is, Chunk never said that. He merely pointed out that historically high tax rates coincided with a strong economy. Ben used Hebrew high school debate tactics to imply Chunk wanted to bring back 91% tax rates but he never said that. Then when Chunk defended himself on this the pro-Shapiro audience thought he was back peddling (when he wasn't) and so started jeering. That's when the Turkroach got pissed and told them to try to keep up or something. He shouldn't have belittled the audience but they were acting like retards on both sides so I'd have probably lost patience as well.

>>135612274
Even when he loses

>>135612274
Holocaust

>>135611917
Except when Cenk originally pointed out that the tax rate used to be 70%-91%, he was arguing that it didn't limit economic growth, not that it would be ideal today. He was pointing out the flax in the libertarian argument that somehow higher tax rates doom an economic growth.

Ben made a strawman argument when he suggested that Cenk was saying higher taxes necessarily increases growth.

>>135612410
>implying they didnt win

>>135612368
Ah if that's the case then fair enough, I didn't watch the entire thing. I assumed Chink had flatly claimed that the 91% tax was what directly stimulated the economy.

>>135612368
If Cenk wasn't willing to back it up then he should have never brought it up? It was a key point in his argument to point out history (which is smart because history usually shows what works and what doesn't) but the economy is much more complicated than that especially since that was when the time the war ended and men were coming back to work (obvious boost in the economy) so it doesn't hold much weight..

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>>135590522
I'm at about 30 mins but Cenk has already been booed by the crowd like 3 times and insulted the crowd twice.

>>135612454
Are you saying that Cenk was AGAINST raising taxes and use this as leverage (raising for the rich)

>>135612467
yes

>>135612368
Chunk cited marginal tax rates. Chunk implied that the economy was at its best when the rich were paying high tax rates. Except the rich never actually paid those rates. And he said that was one of the problems in modern day America. He completely contradicted himself there, Ben called him out for citing marginalized tax rates, which was completely fair.

>>135612800
No. He wants to raise taxes, but in a way that meets our needs and takes the burden off the middle class.

And by all accounts, Cenk's point of view on taxes is completely reasonable. The problem with conservatives / libertarians is that they arbitrarily draw this line between "taxes" and "stealing." Social security is okay, military spending is okay, but healthcare and school is stealing? Why? They can't give you a reason. You basically have to go full-retard, ie anarcho-capitalist, to be practically consistent.

>>135612719
But his acknowledging that today's economy is different than the 50s and 60s is implicit in his admission that he doesn't want a 91% tax rate. That would be an asinine position to take and that's why I'm surprised Shapiro tried such a blatant straw man. I'm further left than the young turds and disagree with them on a lot of shit but for obvious reasons still wanted Chunk to win. But I really thought Shapiro would have a good chance. He either wasn't at his best or I've simply been bamboozled by all his youtube takedowns into thinking he could win an argument with anyone who doesn't unironically use trigger warnings.

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Kek is with us

>>135613107
All taxes are stealing you cuck

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>>135590522
>thinking anyone won in a jew vs roach debate

>>135613107
Social security and military spending apply as a whole on the federal level. There is only one military of the United States. Issues of schooling and especially Healthcare differs from municipality to state and so on. You're paying for a standard that you haven't agreed to.

>>135613180
Well I'm glad some leftist are left to debate still. I think tho on the point that Cenk used the 50's - 60's taxes of the time weren't appropriate for his own agrument for the sake that it was right after a world war

>>135610257
>implying that us trump supporters get triggered like liberals by different opinions

>>135613486
>Social security and military spending apply as a whole on the federal level
All laws congress passes apply to all of America, by the constitution.

I'm not saying there are no reasons against socialized healthcare and schooling. I'm saying that the "taxes are stealing" argument is a shitty argument against it.

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>Donmeh Sephardum "debate" Ashkenazi Jew
Who won /pol/?

>believing in the left-right paradigm in the current year
>believing politics is anything but kosher theater
>believing that you can save the West by voting for crypto-kikes
Wew lads. I am disappoint.

>>135613635
Ben also made that point and Cenk agreed, coming out of WW2 muddies the point slightly but the correlation is there, war time or not. Higher taxes on the wealth creates a more even distribution of wealth. Lower taxes sees economic stagnation and pretty much just lines the pockets of the (((rich))).

>>135590686
I want to read wacky youtube comments, brah.

Ben is more calculating.
Cenk is emotonal driven.

I guess I'm wth Ben, there is no place for emotions in debates.

>>135613796
Too bad that when demonrats increase taxes they do that to everyone and not only the rich.

>but you gotta pay your fair share!

>>135592703
Kill yourself faggot

>>135613753
This

>>135590522
Jew doesn't want to pay taxes and tricks dumb poor goyim into believing that somehow they will benefit from him being even richer. Goyim clap. Americans are pathetic cucks.

HAHAHAHA at the end how Ben Shapiro points out that Cenk wants to get money out of politics but yet money is going to TYT and they are involved in politics.

>>135614187
>hello my fellow whites

>>135610662
>the cheering pisses me off
>it's a debate, not a concert

So much this!

Holy shit, it's not some retarded reality tv show, it's a fucking debate, audience shut the fuck up, you're big bang theory tier.

>>135613796
I don't remember Ben making that point but I'll rewatch but the two arguments made here about that were:
1. If you don't tax the rich they'll still invest the money they earned and lend it in order to stay above inflation and most importantly make a profit by lending money (which would help economy growth by giving people money to spend)
2. If there were more taxes on the rich then the middle-class who were struggling wouldn't pay as much and would be able to invest more of their own money in personal/necessary interests, such as, food and more

>>135591370
>LE FREE HEALTHCARE MEME
did you watch the debate, universal healthcare wont work here

>>135613486
You misinterpreted what I was trying to say. There is no military of Florida, no military of Colorado, etc. It's all down to the military of the United States. All of the money spent on military is effectively adjusted to serve the United States military and that military will protect the entire country if need be. In that sense, taxation is OK. On the contrary, there is no single school/hospital in the United States on which the entire influx of tax money can be spent on to better all of America. Stuff like military is a completely different thing from schooling and healthcare.

>>135614412
meant for
>>135613739

>>135614305
It's what sells

It is what it is

>>135592703
if i saw a black MAGA fan I would be most surprised

>>135614187
fuck off im not paying for niggers/spics. if this country was european by 90% then it'd be different

>>135614473
unfortunately this is 100% true (i.e. why liberals exist)

>>135614473
>It's what sells
>It is what it is

No, what sells is the participants in the debate and hearing their arguments, not hearing the pigdisgusting audience ape out.

>>135604803
There are only like 6 million people in Norway. We can't afford to have multiple archivelords on /pol/.

>>135590522
VASSOLINE FOR YOUR ASSOLINE

>>135590686
God bless you, autistic Norwegian bot.

>>135614594
I'll admit I tend to forget how much you guys are overrun by non-white leeches. But as far as I can tell most of the audience is clapping because they believe the libertarian meme.

>>135591734
>OBAMA DOESN T BOMB ANYONE
Holy shit, Italians ARE retarded.

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What do you guys think of Ana Kasparian vs Ann coulter? I wasn't here the last few days, did threads pop up?

>>135614187
Ya no one should be entitled to benefit from people because it's a meritocracy bitch. Society doesn't owe me anything and I don't owe society anything. If i pay taxes tho then they owe me a little like interstates and such. Why should people always benefit from other people's success? It's this thing called entitlement that gets you into trouble

>>135614014
I'm not here to defend the Democucks.

>>135614390
Point 1 has been disproved time and time again though. When taxes get cut the wealthy save their money, they don't spend it.

>>135590522
They were both shit, and both their solutions are shit.

Left right politics is a meme.

>>135607547
You're stupid. People here in Europe GO to the US for getting better healthcare.

You simply have to pay for it.
In Europe it's universal, meaning it's stolen from your taxes.
And because it's centralized and there is no concurrence, it's shit.

Sure I can get Advil for free all year long, but if I need great doctors for an operation or else, I'm fucked.

>>135592703
Sounds cool, should get a lot of upvotes!

>>135614900
Waste of an hour

>>135591865
i always thought short men were cool becauase of manlets that overachieve and all the anti heroes like joe rogan, wolverine and vegeta are more badass than the beta protagonists. but then im not a psychotic woman

>>135591734

Obama dropped 67000 bombs during his reign. Wtf are you talking about pastafaggot?

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>>135614759
>only like 6 million people
OY VEY

>>135610192
Ignoring that you have to use Sweden yes as your example, what news source is that?

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>>135615024
(You)

>>135614967
That's the reason I gave both sides of the argument because it's a complicated issue but Ben literally made this point that the rich (((save))) their money they don't hide it under mattresses but instead LOAN the money for interest. (in order to make more money). This allows other people to use this money in the economy. (Disclosure: if someone only holds onto money then it will almost always decline in value)

>>135590522

He fucking destroyed Cenk Yogurt.

Good job kike

>>135614920
>meritocracy
Yeah lots of merit in being born rich...
What I love the most about this meme is that it is being spout mostly by poorfags.

>>135614967
Can you cite examples of the wealthy not spending their money?

>>135598912
He tied the first and win the other two, unless you're talking about the primaries and then Jeb bush was the clear winner there

>>135615329
>believing that both the right and the left serve the same jewish masters
>you must be a centrist
This meme needs to die.

>>135614900
tfw no Armenian gf

>>135615451
Yeah because rich people dont employ people with that know how tocmanage their money. They just do nothing and get richer.

>>135615451
So are you against both the poor and the rich? I just believe in you get what you fucking work for unlike fucking welfare checks for a lifetime

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>>135615531

>>135615451
just please don't tell me you're black

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ben sucked, he had more questions than answers during this 'debate'. It's pretty bad when you get trumped by "Chank"

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>>135615782
Yes, yes. That's a good goy.

>>135590522

Because he beat the fat brownish sweaty fuck in a debate!? What does he win? A pretzel?
The fatso brought up prostitutes for no reason just like he always does. He can't help it. Ever.
Anyways Ben is a sharp little jew bastard and Cenk or whatever the fuck his alien name is, has got to be one the dumbest bags of shit to every talk out loud.

>>135615932
I honestly felt bad for this cockroach during the debate and I'm pretty cold hearted. If you want to see the odds defy them self then check out the youtube video on TYT channel and look at any of the comments (only using this because TYT channel is completely biased for obvious reasons)

>>135615329
>hur dur my flag is a shitty modern derivative of your flag but I refuse to not be retarded and know what historical political symbols mean and how they might influence your position

>>135615476
Economic stagnation (ie reduction in the velocity of money) during low tax periods.

>>135615781
I just laugh at poorfags playing against their own interests because they have been tricked by higher IQ jews into believing that not taxing ultrarichfags benefits them somehow.

I don't think poorfags should be exploited as they are. It's like animal rights. Because someone or something is not as smart as the last physics Nobel prize doesn't justify him being cruelly exploited by richer/smarter people.

>>135590522
>the Jew won
Stop posting dumb bait.

>>135590975
That was the highlight on the left side on the right side you had benji defending neo cons and radiating nervousness. Chunk yogurt had more presence because of his deep voice. Sad since it still couldn't cover his brain damaged attitudes.

Honestly the topics they were discussing (mainly healthcare) are so easy to defend from a liberal perspective and much harder to defend from a conservative/lolbertarian one.

So Chunk did way better than he should have even though I think Ben did a great job of rebutting him
I'm just mad they didn't discuss ANYTHING else because Ben would have crushed there. You could see this the moment they started discussing identity politics

The "debate" was utter fucking garbage, with the lowest being turkroach's attempt to start a fucking USA chant. I couldn't look in the mirror the next if I did that
Kikepiro wasn't a lot better either, but I do have to give him props for being a talking encyclopedia and really coming up fast with information.
The whole crowd needs to be gassed tho
Fucking mouthbreaters screaming every 30 seconds, probably didnt even listen what those two fucks were saying

>>135616417
The problem is that "taxing the rich" always turns into an increased burden on the upper middle-class. The ultra-rich can stash their money off-shore or into tax-free foundations and investments. This is why most of the ultra-rich are for raising taxes on the "rich". They're unaffected and actually benefit from the increased spending by the lower classes of gibsmedats.

>>135591865
When Cenk walked past Shapiro at the beginning he looked way shorter than Shapiro. And I thought Shapiro was a manlet.

>>135616773
>Fucking mouthbreaters screaming every 30 seconds, probably didnt even listen what those two fucks were sayin

this, the audience sounded like they wanted to watch their team win a football game, not a debate

>>135616801
This. It's really sad that we still have to explain this.

>>135616357

I know my flags makes you mad. I guess that's why you are red.

>>135616417
>"i just laugh at poorfags playing against their own interest"
most probably poor for not receiving benefits of a meritocracy
the difference from me and a liberal is that even if I temporarily benefit from this doesn't make it a right and I don't believe in it. Sure exterminating the 1% would allow their wealth to be trickled down and make everyone essentially twice and rich but it's still not right. BTW I was born not poor and already started a company while I'm schooling in college so your argument doesn't fucking make sense

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>>135591865
say no to manletphobia!

>>135616417
>"Poorfags"
>"Ultrarich fags"
So do you have to be in between in order for to not be a fag? Just trying to figure out which side your essentially on

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>>135590522
mighty Ben called Cenk a whore

to be fair, I think the crowd hated Cenk right from the start...

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i'm kind of shocked that there appears to have been a large number of pols who actually watched this.....in its entirety. let alone skimming through it.

this is literally the most blue pilled video with two outright stooges i have seen ina while.

this is troubling.

>>135618501
Please explain how giving more taxpayer to the kike government is blue pilled

>>135618501
who's a better debater than the little jew Shapiro? I don't give a fuck if you hate jews but that kid will rip you a new anus and make you look like honey fucking boo boo if you go against him. Surprised Cenk didn't make a bigger fool out of himself

>>135619143
>Surprised Cenk didn't make a bigger fool out of himself
Because he couldn't. Did you see how he was seeking for approval after realizing he lost? Usa! Usa!

>>135590522
Who won in the Kasparian vs Coulter debate?

I am watching this (only 20 minutes in though) can anyone explain how Shapiro is winning? Because he is shilling the hardest for billionaires?

>>135620082
depends on who you like more

>>135620336
For you who won and why?

Did anyone notice how Cenk said, "... and Ben, for the 88th time, we have to find a balance..."
Didn't know that 88 was more favourable than 100 when used in that manner. Is Cenk secretly /ourguy/? Are turks truly the master race?

>>135619382
The chant was the lowest point he hit for sure but I was still expecting him to crumble and choke

>>135620299
Despite the booing of the crowd against Cenk, Shapiro gives clear arguments and at the very least gives the persona that he has a lot of background knowledge of what he's talking about while Cenk just gives broad ideological explanations with no certain solution to any matter.

>>135616894
the camera was closer to Ben, it's called perspective

>>135590522

was a pretty shitty debate needed a timer for responses, they let jenk rant for ages

>>135621351
I don't think any of them have a very broad background knowledge on any of the subjects they talked about. However, the only specific idea Ben seems to have is to make life easier for billionaires. Am I wrong about that?

Cenk did make some good points, especially on healthcare and money in politics. To say that anyone got BTFO'd is just ridiculous imo.

>>135621980
>"Cenk did make some good points, healthcare and money in politics"
Can you tell me anything else that they debated? Ben specifically gave his opinion on these things with his own solutions while Cenk just said "we have to find a median" with no concise answer. How are these good points then? He just gave the humanitarian speech trying to evoke peoples' feelings. Ben has done many debates on these issues before hand (which doesn't qualify him obviously) and has also graduated Harvard with a degree in political science. I can't think of a conservative that is more qualified for Ben's place

>>135621980
Ben's argument is not making life easier for billionaires directly but instead taking the stance that people get to keep what they work for/earn. It just happens to be that people point figures at the rich for their own problems rather than trying to better themselves.

>>135622338
They debated other issues such as taxes, where I was not impressed by either of them on an intellectual level to be honest, though I did agree more with Cenk's points overall.

What are Ben's solutions to the massive healthcare crisis in the USA or money in politics? I can name Cenk's solutions, but Ben's only ideas seem to be to maintain the status quo, which is obviously not working. Am I wrong?

>>135622972
The taxation debate was started when Cenk said that in the 50's-60's when tax was 70-91% the economy boomed. The fact he over looked was that the war had just ended so more working men were returning home which is an obvious boost in the economy. Ben then tried to poke at this by asking why not 100% tax rate and Cenk said that there needs to be a median. The whole point of the debate was where the money goes for tax. (i.e. healthcare)

Ben believes that healthcare is not a right but Cenk believes healthcare for everyone. The problem with healthcare for everyone is that it's going to end up fucking the majority of the U.S. after 1-2years when it's implemented because the drastic increase. Who's going to pay for the extra care of people that don't work for a living? (excluding kids and the disabled)

>>135610960
Healthcare is a pretty dry topic and a political football. It's especially hard to hold interest if you're not American.
I think Ben won but overall Cenk got a little further than he should've. I would've liked to have seen Bens rebuttal on the Iraq/foreign wars versus libertarianism stuff. I personally think Shapiro just pretends to be libertarian to try and be more relatable to a younger audience, but he's really just a neocon at heart.